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| vgrade | meego tablet ux up on joggler, http://plixi.com/p/77686885 | 01:32 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo | 01:35 |
| vgrade | needs work, | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't everything? | 01:36 |
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| berndhs | i can run last weeks handset-ia32 image on a laptop, some of it works, can ssh into it | 01:37 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, is IRC quiet today | 01:38 |
| vgrade | or just me | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | someone said Freenode was being DDoS'd | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | in the past 3 hours I've had about a dozen lines of people and the rest are just join and part messages | 01:39 |
| niala1 | :) | 01:40 |
| vgrade | it went funny at work today | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | i spent the day with my friends which was pleasent :3 | 01:40 |
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| auke | -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi folks! As you'll have noticed, we just lost about half the network due to hub issues. We're trying to put together what we can! Thanks for your patience. | 01:46 |
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| timeless | lbt: ping :) | 01:59 |
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| Venemo | is there any docs about libmeego-panel? | 02:12 |
| niala1 | Venemo: in git maybe ? | 02:13 |
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| Venemo | niala1: there is a very minimal doc on git, but no actual function reference or anything | 02:13 |
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| CosmoHill | i think it's all mental notes | 02:19 |
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| berndhs | you can always try to run doxygen over it, sometimes it helps | 02:22 |
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| MindWarper | ive just found the meego killer :) http://www.osnews.com/story/24421/Enlightenment_Libraries_Reach_1_0 | 02:29 |
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| leinir | They had to do that, otherwise Samsung (rasterman's employe) would be very unhappy with him ;) | 02:32 |
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| diegows | is there a phone compatible with meego? N900 isn't an option because 3G doesn't work in my country :( | 02:36 |
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| vgrade | night all | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | night vgrade | 02:51 |
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| niala1 | night | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | bonne nuit niala1 | 02:54 |
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| diegows | where I can but a aava phone? i haven't found a site where I can buy it | 03:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | diegows: the only device available from AAVA is the CDK, and it is currently on hold.. it costs $2400 | 03:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | (this is because it is limited production development hardware) | 03:03 |
| diegows | TSCHAKeee: :P it's out of my budget | 03:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | then get a n900, and STFU | 03:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 03:03 |
| diegows | N900 3G doesn't work in Argentina :( | 03:03 |
| pupnik | qf | 03:04 |
| diegows | qf? | 03:04 |
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| diegows | aava and n900, that's all? | 03:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | those are the official targets that are being built for at the moment. | 03:07 |
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| pupnik_ | what happen to #meego-pub | 06:01 |
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| berndhs | you mean #meego-bar ? | 06:02 |
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| pupnik_ | oh ty | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | stupid americans ... it's a 'pub' :) | 06:03 |
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| Dijit | my office is empty | 08:43 |
| Dijit | where is everyone :o | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | Dijit: panic room? | 08:44 |
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| Dijit | good point, I'm going to check the meeting rooms | 08:44 |
| Dijit | brb | 08:44 |
| dm8tbr | LOL | 08:45 |
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| Dijit | there are people in the meeting room, but the blinds are closed. | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Dijit: ah, so there's alcohol involved | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:48 |
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| Dijit | this is finland. | 08:51 |
| Dijit | so there is truth to be had somewhere in that statement.. alcohol is /always/ involved xD | 08:51 |
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| pupnik | thanks for that amusing image Dijit | 08:53 |
| Dijit | haha, yw | 08:53 |
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| niala1 | morning #meego | 08:54 |
| Dijit | mornin' niala1 | 08:54 |
| pupnik | finns are just superior people. i was really impressed when i went around talking to strangers. | 08:54 |
| Dijit | yeah | 08:54 |
| Dijit | no doubt in my mind. | 08:54 |
| Dijit | never been to a friendlier place in the world.. say two words and a finn is your best friend. | 08:55 |
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| Dijit | although that is a massive over-generalisation. | 08:55 |
| Dijit | I'm sure there are some assholes. | 08:55 |
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| Bostik | oh yes | 08:56 |
| Bostik | I'm pretty sure I qualify for that label | 08:56 |
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| Dijit | woop | 08:57 |
| obit_sweden | Are there mirror sites for the meego-tablet image ? I'm not able to complete a download it gets interrupted before it finished. | 08:59 |
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| timoph | obit_sweden: install downthemall plugin to firefox and download it with it. worked for me that way | 09:05 |
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| niala1 | elop said: "With MeeGo, we could see the emergence of other products such as GPS navigation devices." http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2011/02/14/04015-20110214ARTFIG00719-stephen-elop-nokia-va-recevoir-plusieurs-milliards-de-dollars-de-microsoft.php sorry french interview of elop | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 09:10 |
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| niala1 | Stskeeps: funny no? i think it"s not true. i think they will leave meego. | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not seeing any signs of them leaving meego totally | 09:14 |
| niala1 | lol "On the one hand, we will buy Microsoft's Windows operating system Phone for our future smartphones. This allows us to reduce our investment in research and development. We will reduce our operational expenses. On the other, Microsoft will give us a lot of cash. This amount is counted in billions of dollars." google translate | 09:15 |
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| Bostik | niala1: el reg reported more accurately on that, I'll look for the url; and let that be the only time I dip in the subject and derail the channel discussion | 09:16 |
| Bostik | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/14/nokia_mwc_investor_assurances/ | 09:16 |
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| odin_ | "Microsoft will give us a lot of cash", or a lot of cash equivalent (such as software/developer resources, .net ecosystem, reference hardware devices), all looks good on paper but not clear what "Nokia spice" will make this attempt a success | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | let's take it to the bar, guys :) | 09:21 |
| timoph | please | 09:21 |
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| niala1 | go to work have a nice day | 09:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | do we keep track of regressions over time? | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | better as a QA question, but we do have [REG] tags | 09:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | it looks like there have been some regressions in the UI part of handset since I last saw it a couple of months ago. | 09:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 09:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | i tried the latest handset build on my n900.. :/ meh. | 09:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | anyway. | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | bugs are more than welcome | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | and weekly is faairly broken due to a OBS fuckup :) | 09:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | ahh...what's the last non-fairly-broken snap? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | qa-reports is always good to help spot it | 09:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 09:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | really bad timing..ugh. | 09:38 |
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| Dijit | Stskeeps: got a error number or anything from OBS? maybe I can do something to fix it. | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Dijit: nah, it's just a prjconf problem | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | we identified it already | 09:56 |
| Dijit | okidoke np | 09:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | "It is shipping and there is momentum across multiple segments today, including automotive systems, netbooks, tablets, set-top boxes, and phones" What exactly is shipping? I assume the list of platforms is only reffering to the 'momentum', not the 'shipping'... | 11:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | And there's a tutorial for aava devices but I'm having a hard time finding any to buy | 11:20 |
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| bash` | is there a way to use the maemo flasher with libusb 0.1.3? | 12:54 |
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| alterego | bash`: wrong channel :P | 12:54 |
| bash` | alterego: I'm trying to flash my n900 installing meego, then right channel :P | 12:55 |
| alterego | bash`: still more of a maemo thing, thought #meego-arm would be better, anyhow, lets talk in #maemo :P | 12:55 |
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| plm | Hi all | 13:03 |
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| Jaffa | Next conference is May 23-25 in SF, correct? | 13:07 |
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| alterego | Cool, who's going to pay for me to come? :D | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I'll book the holiday and worry about the cost of a UK->US flight later. Much later. | 13:09 |
| alterego | :) | 13:09 |
| alterego | Good plan, I'll note the dates in my calendar | 13:10 |
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| CosmoHill | "If you're an OEM, you should choose a software partner the way you'd choose a spouse," said Mark Lee, CEO of Splashtop. "It should be someone you trust, someone who understands how you operate, and someone who can help you bring a beautiful product into the world." | 13:19 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: Intel! | 13:19 |
| alterego | Oh wait ... | 13:19 |
| CosmoHill | SplashTop have released an MeeGo based OS | 13:19 |
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| CosmoHill | alterego: yes, Intel cos of MeeGo's AppUp store and cos of all the work they're doing on optimisation and minimal boot times | 13:20 |
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| CosmoHill | oh hello, that wasn't the full quote from Mark Lee, there is more in their press release | 13:22 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.splashtop.com/press/splashtop-releases-meego-based-splashtop-os-for-oems | 13:23 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: Intel are very good at software :) | 13:24 |
| alterego | And I really enjoy reading their random programming papers. | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine a lot of people in the world don't reliase that intel do software | 13:25 |
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| alterego | Yeah, well, probably only developers ;) | 13:25 |
| CosmoHill | Intel defiantly have a lot of product awareness in the general public cos they're logo and theme music is shown on every advert with an Intel processor | 13:27 |
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| CosmoHill | even if they can't tell the difference between a Pentium and i7 | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Which makes me want to punch my television. | 13:28 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Isn't an i7 that new version of the internet from Microsoft? | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | if I say "yes", will there be any follow up questions? | 13:28 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | I see the adverts with all those people. | 13:29 |
| CosmoHill | "I'm a PC and windows was my idea?" | 13:29 |
| CosmoHill | if that was true I'd be punching a lot of people cos of vista | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Yup | 13:30 |
| alterego | Heh, well, it just shows MSs tactics, stealing others' ideas and code :P | 13:30 |
| CosmoHill | in one advert a woman stops here kids from using the laptop between set times | 13:30 |
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| CosmoHill | a good parent would put a laptop out of reach | 13:30 |
| alterego | Meh, dentist appointment in 40 mins | 13:31 |
| CosmoHill | Jaffa: have you seen the US adverts? | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: I assume they use the same ones with some re-dubs. Certainly the UK ones look like they're US shot. | 13:32 |
| alterego | Jaffa: is that because US videos always seem better produced? :D | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | they get a kid and an OAP to do the same task in the fastest time possible | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | you can't show US adverts over here, they noticeably cheesing and american | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | some adverts are european and the child sounds a lot like the woman... | 13:33 |
| alterego | Are you saying European boys sound girly? :P | 13:34 |
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| CosmoHill | only when you use the same voice actor in the sub | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | dub* | 13:34 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I'm going off grain & lighting. Though Episodes on BBC2 looks mostly US-shot/produced whereas it has been UK-shot/produced with just a few establishing shots in the US. | 13:35 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I dunno what it is, I guess TV just has a much larger budget in the US so they have much better equipment and higher production quality. | 13:36 |
| alterego | Just compare Dr Who with House or something. | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Or they like the NTSC look and reproduce it even on modern equipment ;-) | 13:36 |
| alterego | Good old "Never The Same Colour" :D | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | I hate watching US cop shows, it leaves you wondering if they have an attention span | 13:36 |
| alterego | Sorry Color :D | 13:36 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | if you're gonna show a car chase at least do so in a linear fashion | 13:37 |
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| alterego | I don't think I've watched a Us cop show since miami vice | 13:37 |
| alterego | Well, unless you count 24 | 13:38 |
| alterego | I'm a big fan of 24 :D | 13:38 |
| Venemo | hi | 13:38 |
| alterego | He Venemo | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 13:38 |
| alterego | Hey .. | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | yes alterego, Venemo is a he | 13:38 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, that's correct | 13:39 |
| alterego | I dunno, I've heard stories! :P | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | it's a weekday | 13:39 |
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| Venemo | I need some help. I'd like to know how MnbToolbar finds out what panels are installed and what buttons to display | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | only thing i can think of is a .desktop file in your home directory | 13:40 |
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| Venemo | CosmoHill: if you can point me to the code that reads those supposed .desktop files, I'd be more than happy | 13:40 |
| CosmoHill | I can't, sorry | 13:41 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: I would rather think that it's done through gconf | 13:41 |
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| Venemo | CosmoHill: it's > 4000 loc, a bit hard to comprehend at first glance | 13:43 |
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| * CosmoHill stares blankly | 13:43 | |
| alterego | Venemo: search/find? :P | 13:44 |
| Venemo | alterego: doing that... | 13:44 |
| Venemo | alterego: but it's not very effective :) | 13:44 |
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| alterego | :P | 13:45 |
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| vanezy | hi there | 13:54 |
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| vanezy | do you know why is not possible to use the usb-host on n900 with meego? | 13:54 |
| alterego | vanezy: the patches we use for usb host on maemo are not applied to a meego kernel. | 13:55 |
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| vanezy | why not? and if you modify them in some way? | 13:56 |
| vanezy | maybe in theory is possible | 13:56 |
| alterego | Also, meego likes to upstream patches, and it's extremely unlikely that kernel.org would accept the maemo usb host patches, because they're basically a series of hacks ;) | 13:56 |
| CosmoHill | god dammit | 13:56 |
| vanezy | :D | 13:56 |
| CosmoHill | why can't I paste something without word screwing up all the formating | 13:56 |
| alterego | Oh it is possible, but like I told you. It would require you to build your own kernel as the N900 adaptation kernel wont have it. | 13:56 |
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| vanezy | ok | 13:57 |
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| vanezy | got it | 13:57 |
| vanezy | thank you for the explanations you were really usefull | 13:57 |
| vanezy | :) | 13:57 |
| vanezy | (alterego) | 13:57 |
| alterego | So you, or someone else, would have to rebase the patchset to the latest kernel version and cross your fingers it works :P | 13:57 |
| alterego | Also, there's no UI :) | 13:57 |
| vanezy | I don't mind of UI :P | 13:58 |
| alterego | But you can compiile MohammadAG's UI as it's in Qt | 13:58 |
| vanezy | cool | 13:58 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, bbl :) | 13:58 |
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| vanezy | bye :=) | 13:59 |
| pavlix | X-Fade: hi, I'd like to use OBS for newest versions of clutter/mx and dependencies, nick=pavlix | 13:59 |
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| X-Fade | pavlix: Your account should work now. | 14:06 |
| pavlix | X-Fade: thanks | 14:07 |
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| Dijit | offtopic: 95% of all british 19-24's are either students or unemployed. | 14:09 |
| diegows | ? | 14:09 |
| diegows | so our president is right and we are the first world :P | 14:10 |
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| RST38h | Dijit: Nice | 14:11 |
| Dijit | I was both before coming to finland | 14:11 |
| Dijit | xD | 14:11 |
| Dijit | foreverunemployed | 14:11 |
| pavlix | X-Fade: do you know about anyone already building clutter-related stuff? quick-searching did not work for me | 14:12 |
| pavlix | s/did not work/did not give any results/ | 14:12 |
| infobot | pavlix meant: X-Fade: do you know about anyone already building clutter-related stuff? quick-searching did not give any results for me | 14:12 |
| pavlix | +1 | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | pavlix: No, I haven't see anybody working on that. | 14:13 |
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| pavlix | X-Fade: but it's still being used in meego 1.1, isn't it? | 14:13 |
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| X-Fade | pavlix: Yes, in netbook UX. | 14:15 |
| pavlix | X-Fade: sorry for newbie questions... but then I'd guess there should be these packages in the build service if only because of netbook UX, no? | 14:16 |
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| X-Fade | pavlix: Yes, but they are in Core obs. | 14:16 |
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| pavlix | X-Fade: how do I get spec files from the core to use as reference? | 14:20 |
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| MurmurOR | Netbook UX(intel hw?) uses Clutter for UI bling blign. How was Nokia meego about to use, QtQuick based bling bling. I know invehicle builders use QtQuick ui. | 14:29 |
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| MurmurOR | *^^? | 14:29 |
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| Stskeeps | MurmurOR: ERROR: failure to parse | 14:30 |
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| MurmurOR | :) sorry about that, my multitasking broke runtime grammar. | 14:31 |
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| pavlix | MurmurOR: was that related to my question? | 14:31 |
| MurmurOR | pavlix: just a spinoff, Clutter vs QtQuick adoption in meego scene. | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | MurmurOR: clutter was mostly used for netbook ux which was already there when meego started | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | long term is qt quick | 14:33 |
| MurmurOR | ok, Ive seen in-vehicle devices use QtQuick based UI bling bling. | 14:33 |
| KevinB | meego-ux uses clutter? | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | netbook ux | 14:33 |
| KevinB | yes | 14:33 |
| KevinB | ok | 14:33 |
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| MurmurOR | Nokia plan was to use QtQuick for cellphone UI, but time(and will?) run out + driven over by software politics. | 14:36 |
| sivang | MurmurOR: nice where? | 14:36 |
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| MurmurOR | that was mu question did Nokia was bettinig on QtQuick development timeline? | 14:36 |
| tybollt | \o/ omg bling bling | 14:36 |
| shahinghazinouri | I'm having trouble linking my private OBS to api.meego.com. Anyone had experience with that? | 14:37 |
| * tybollt rolls eyes so hard they almost get stuck ina loop | 14:37 | |
| Stskeeps | shahinghazinouri: how are you doing it specifically? | 14:37 |
| shahinghazinouri | Setup OBS -> fill in details for api.meego.com | 14:38 |
| MurmurOR | sivang: Integrated Computer Solutions uses Meego IVI v1.1 + QML + Qt/C++ | 14:38 |
| mdp | tybollt, :P | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | shahinghazinouri: ok, so, do you know osc meta prj? | 14:39 |
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| MurmurOR | sivang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJhLah_u_4U found it IVI meego demo, last year demo. | 14:41 |
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| shahinghazinouri | Stskeeps, I think I know how to use it yes. | 14:41 |
| shahinghazinouri | I've been able to clone projects off api.meego.com with osc, but I don't know how to set up the repository link. | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | shahinghazinouri: ok, so, you need to manually add a repository <path for "MeeGo.com:Trunk:Testing" for instance | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | shahinghazinouri: or hack the "easy" repository page in obs | 14:42 |
| shahinghazinouri | Stskeeps: I've added this to Raw Config for a project: | 14:44 |
| shahinghazinouri | 1. <repository name="MeeGo"> | 14:44 |
| shahinghazinouri | 2. <path repository="snapshot" project="MeeGo.com:Trunk"/> | 14:44 |
| shahinghazinouri | 3. </repository> | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | you need <arch's too | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | and you need repository "standard" | 14:44 |
| jbos | hey guys i wonder, how do we get a application in meego 1.2 release? | 14:44 |
| jbos | what are the gates to pass | 14:45 |
| jbos | deadlines and such | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | jbos: requirements process | 14:45 |
| jbos | wikipage? | 14:45 |
| shahinghazinouri | Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll try it out :) | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.com/developers/meego-roadmap , http://meego.com/developers/requirements | 14:46 |
| jbos | is there an updated version vor 1.2? | 14:47 |
| jbos | or keep it the same | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/Roadmap might help | 14:47 |
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| jbos | just talking about 1.1 :) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | featurezilla is live, so :) | 14:48 |
| jbos | basically what we want is something like getting our app preeinstalled in a meego 1.2 release :D | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | jbos: well, it's reference app then | 14:49 |
| jbos | yes that is our goal (reference impl. for telepathy, voice call, celluar call, video, chat) | 14:49 |
| jbos | but so there is this goal but basically zero idea what the qa / processes are... some people seems to have thought its all happing by some vodoo magic :D | 14:51 |
| jbos | thanks so far | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | jbos: meego-pm@ :) | 14:53 |
| alterego | Still all voodoo to me | 14:53 |
| alterego | Is there a roadmap for 3G video calling in meego/handset | 14:53 |
| * Stskeeps twitches | 14:54 | |
| alterego | Heh | 14:54 |
| alterego | What did I do? :P | 14:55 |
| LjL | you asked about roadmaps for a dead OS...? | 14:55 |
| * LjL ducks | 14:55 | |
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| jumpula | does a dead os have zombie processes? | 14:56 |
| LjL | yes, because they are in a deadlock | 14:56 |
| alterego | it's not over until the fat lady sings :P | 14:56 |
| alterego | Even if I have to single handedly keep meego/handset alive, I will, because I believe in it that much :P | 14:57 |
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| Lynoure | There are other companies behind Meego than just Nokia, too. | 14:57 |
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| alterego | Who's Nokia? | 14:59 |
| * alterego asks from his now unbranded N900 | 15:00 | |
| ahiemstra | is it possible to boot the daily builds on n900 with uboot? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | ahiemstra: yes | 15:00 |
| ahiemstra | ok | 15:00 |
| ahiemstra | then I guess im doing something wrong :p | 15:00 |
| alterego | ahiemstra: I do it, almost daily ;) | 15:00 |
| ahiemstra | any specific tricks i need to know of? because im getting a "wrong image format" error | 15:02 |
| alterego | ahiemstra: are you typing "run mmcboot"? | 15:02 |
| ahiemstra | yeah | 15:02 |
| alterego | don't | 15:03 |
| alterego | just turn it on with the micro sd in and let it time out | 15:03 |
| ahiemstra | ah right, yeah, that seems to work | 15:03 |
| alterego | It boots meego automatically. | 15:03 |
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| ahiemstra | hmm, the daily image really seems far more responsive then the 1.1 image | 15:10 |
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| alterego | Nice new sgx drivers :) | 15:11 |
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| slaine | alterego: has the clock speed on the gpu been solved ? | 15:14 |
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| alterego | slaine: dunno, ask Stskeeps he's the man for that I believe. | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: not yet, but it's faster | 15:17 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: last I heard it was running about 80% iirc | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, true | 15:18 |
| slaine | Good enough for most | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 15:21 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: howdy | 15:22 |
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| jsjarvi | Where I get account to http://build.meego.com ? | 15:25 |
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| CosmoHill | jsjarvi: is it for open source software? | 15:26 |
| jsjarvi | yes | 15:26 |
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| CosmoHill | do you have an account on meego.com ? | 15:26 |
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| abhy | Hi all! I want to know what is the good way to start Meego programming. Is it done via Qt or we code in eclipse. I'm using Windows environment. | 15:27 |
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| abhy | Please guide me | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | abhy: Qt SDK is a good start :) | 15:27 |
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| abhy | Moreover I have expertise in Java and I think Meego supports C/C++ right | 15:28 |
| abhy | ? | 15:28 |
| jsjarvi | No I don't have account to meego.com | 15:28 |
| abhy | I have N900 will I be able to rum my programs developed on Qt | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | jsjarvi: you will require one | 15:29 |
| abhy | I mean test | 15:29 |
| jsjarvi | ok, good thanks | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | Qt is an extension of C++ | 15:29 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: no it's not | 15:29 |
| abhy | Hmm.. how do you people test applications... on emulator? | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | abhy: or device | 15:30 |
| slaine | It's an API framework written in C++ | 15:30 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: ah | 15:30 |
| abhy | Stskeeps: Will I be able to test on my N900 | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | abhy: yes | 15:30 |
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| abhy | then do I need to install Meego on my N900 ? | 15:31 |
| abhy | or Maemo will do | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | dual-boot is fine | 15:31 |
| abhy | okay very thanks... will be soon joining you all | 15:31 |
| abhy | :) | 15:31 |
| abhy | okay just please let me one more thing, can Meego applications be developed on Eclipse too, like I just want to know different ways.. | 15:33 |
| abhy | know* | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | unsure :) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | maybe? | 15:33 |
| toninikkanen | that's what some Intel guys said would be the plan in December.. i don't know when (if not already that would be the case | 15:34 |
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| rmt2 | Btw, is GTK installed on Meego as standard? | 15:34 |
| abhy | okay | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | rmt2: not part of compliance so it doesn't -have- to be there | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | rmt2: because of some stupid dependancies, it is | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:35 |
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| villev | so anyone know how to submit apps to the appup program? | 15:35 |
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| villev | compile at obs or...? | 15:36 |
| villev | cobs | 15:36 |
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| villev | or can you do local rpm build and just upload it? | 15:36 |
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| rmt2 | Stskeeps, Woo, Vala. ;-) | 15:36 |
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| kyb3R | villev: here's some info: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/how-submit-application | 15:42 |
| villev | kyb3R: ah, ok... so I need "AppUp SDK" | 15:43 |
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| jsjarvi | Is there some replication time for build.meego.com after you have done account to meego.com, it says: Authentication failed | 15:43 |
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| villev | er, for which there is windows binary | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | jsjarvi: meego.com accounts doesn't give automatic right to build.meego.com - file a bug here https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service , "Build Service Accounts" and prod Ramez Hanna (i think that's the guy in Nokia) | 15:45 |
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| kyb3R | villev: i know :) | 15:45 |
| kyb3R | rumor says linux version is somewhere.... | 15:45 |
| timeless | X-Fade: ping | 15:46 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the handset images for N900 and pinetrail. pinetrail is 500mb, whilst n900 is 2gb. do you know where the extra comes from? | 15:47 |
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| CosmoHill | jsjarvi: you then have to ask X-Fade or lbt for your account to be activated on the build, tell them your username | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: that's only for build.pub.meego.com | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: we're a full sd card image, pinetrail is a live image with a compressed 3000mb ext3fs in it too | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: ah, | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | jsjarvi: sorry I misread what you wanted, I assumed you wanted access to build.pub.meego.com which is the commnity OBS | 15:48 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, ahh, so its not missing data, its just where in the sequence the data gets decompressed and extracted. | 15:48 |
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| timeless | Stskeeps: should the n900 image compress well? | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: it does | 15:49 |
| CosmoHill | bbl | 15:50 |
| jsjarvi | I'm not sure even myself where I need rights.... Looking for code for Settings and APN ui... | 15:51 |
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| CosmoHill | jsjarvi: well one is for community members and the build.meego.com is only for trusted meego developers who need access to the core | 15:56 |
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| jsjarvi | CosmoHill: yep, should not be problem when sitting inside Nokia... Only problem where to find proper documentation and code.... | 16:00 |
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| CosmoHill | ah | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | in that case I have no idea who you need to talk to | 16:03 |
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| CosmoHill | X-Fade might be able to point you towards the right person | 16:03 |
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| timeless | jsjarvi: finding proper documentation inside nokia? won't happen | 16:07 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 16:08 |
| timeless | jsjarvi: what kind of code do you seek? wikis.in/Webtools/MXR can be your friend | 16:08 |
| Dijit | timeless: you'd be surprised how important documentation is to our sysarchitect | 16:08 |
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| jsjarvi | timeless: yep, MXR is good, but that link was going on some strange page... | 16:11 |
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| timeless | Dijit: i've dealt w/ them, i'm not surprised | 16:16 |
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| timeless | i was surprised (a while ago) at how much useless busywork they demanded of groups and how absolutely ineffective and otherwise useless they've been | 16:17 |
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| timeless | (at this point, i'm no longer surprised by such things) | 16:17 |
| timeless | what did amuse me was how one external (to maemo-meego) team managed to steamroll them | 16:18 |
| Dijit | I'm on the exchange server | 16:18 |
| timeless | yeah, i know | 16:18 |
| Dijit | ? | 16:18 |
| Dijit | 0_o | 16:18 |
| timeless | i looked you up before answering | 16:18 |
| Dijit | haha really? | 16:18 |
| Dijit | what does it say? | 16:18 |
| timeless | n900 has MfE ... | 16:19 |
| timeless | just your email address + job title | 16:19 |
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| timeless | anyway, the microb browser was required to have many many pages and charts for that team | 16:20 |
| timeless | but another team basically wrote a 2-3 page document which said "if you want to know how a browser works, read wikipedia" | 16:20 |
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| timeless | it was a nice way to show the whole group the finger | 16:21 |
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| GAN900 | timeless, Festivus airing of grievances? | 17:13 |
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| sivang | timeless_xchat: heh | 17:17 |
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| sivang | timeless_xchat: mxr now shows nginx without a backend? :) | 17:20 |
| Idris | Hello! I need your help | 17:21 |
| Idris | I am using Ubuntu 10.04. Now I want to upgrade it to 10.10 | 17:21 |
| Idris | Is it safe to upgrade it under a dial up connection | 17:22 |
| sivang | ??? | 17:22 |
| sivang | Idris: did you check the topic? :) | 17:22 |
| sivang | Idris: ubuntu is not here :) | 17:22 |
| Naranek | this is not the OS you're looking for | 17:23 |
| Idris | For this topic, where should I go? | 17:23 |
| Idris | please tell me... | 17:23 |
| mdp | #android | 17:23 |
| sivang | mdp: you bastard :) | 17:24 |
| timeless_xchat | sivang: i'm waiting for lbt or x-fade to set up my account | 17:24 |
| sivang | mdp: heh | 17:24 |
| sivang | timeless_xchat: and then you're goonna fix it? :) | 17:24 |
| sivang | Idris: #ubuntu is the right channel, you better google for it and look at ubuntuforums.org | 17:24 |
| timeless_xchat | yeah.. | 17:24 |
| Idris | ok. thanks. bye | 17:25 |
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| sivang | weird | 17:25 |
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| Idris | Is it the right room for android? | 17:34 |
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| leinir | ...eh? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | Idris: no | 17:34 |
| leinir | No, no it isn't :) | 17:35 |
| Idris | what is the topic going on here? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | Idris: MeeGo. | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | you just thought before this was Ubuntu :P | 17:35 |
| leinir | If one might ask, what made you think this was Android related? :) | 17:35 |
| chouchoune | Idris: better mobile OSs ? | 17:35 |
| Idris | I'm terribly sorry. I did a mistake... | 17:35 |
| chouchoune | ;) | 17:35 |
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| leinir | No problem, it happens :) Just wondering what led you to think that :) | 17:36 |
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| leinir | aw | 17:36 |
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| abhy | How is the performance of Meego on N900, is it laggy or runs smooth over it? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | could be better | 17:45 |
| abhy | means currently not smooth Stskeeps | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's not quite there yet, no | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | but a lot of things being improved | 17:47 |
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| ahiemstra | the performance of current nighlty/weekly is already quite improved over 1.1 | 17:47 |
| abhy | okay | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ahiemstra: just wait for the hardfp images.. improves fps like 20-30fps | 17:48 |
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| ahiemstra | nice :) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what are the harpfp images waiting for? | 17:49 |
| * ahiemstra has a feeling 1.2 might actually be usable | 17:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: OBS scheduler.. | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:49 |
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| abhy | ahiemstra: from where can I get this 'Nightly/ Weekly' dumps | 17:59 |
| ahiemstra | abhy: check the wiki | 18:00 |
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| abhy | okay they must be under betas then | 18:00 |
| ahiemstra | the meego on n900 page has links | 18:00 |
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| abhy | This one: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 18:02 |
| lcuk | http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/ | 18:03 |
| lcuk | daily testing images for variants is there | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | please don't use those unless you're QA'ing or developing the actual images, there's limited bandwidth there. | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | weekly images == what people should use | 18:04 |
| lcuk | then paste better specific links | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | he was asking about nightly/weekly - the link I offered was a nightly | 18:05 |
| lcuk | err daily | 18:05 |
| abhy | okay.. thanks.. atleast I'm getting an idea how thinks are going | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, it's even worse, it's daily-testing repo | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:06 |
| abhy | then where can I have weekly ones | 18:06 |
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| abhy | stable ones | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com has them | 18:06 |
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| abhy | okay | 18:06 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, all the build folders contain a readme pointing to another place | 18:07 |
| lcuk | ( http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/README ) | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | we are moving our old builds today | 18:08 |
| lcuk | ahh inside http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/ | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.3.20110215.10/ | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | anything more than 2 months old is being moved to an archive | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it was announced on meego-releases | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | the new stuff should still be there | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | and good morning DawnFoster :) | 18:08 |
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| DawnFoster | evening stskeeps | 18:08 |
| lcuk | \o DawnFoster | 18:09 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: wait... there's a meego-releases ML, too? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: for daily work, yeah | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | lists.meego.com | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's not even secret | 18:09 |
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| * gabrbedd can't keep up... | 18:09 | |
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| Stskeeps | sign of a big project | 18:10 |
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| DawnFoster | meego-releases is really only useful for people working on daily builds or the people doing the releases | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | we should really have something like a announce list for downstream.. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | ie, "customers" of the platform, when repo urls change, etc | 18:11 |
| * Stskeeps continues browsing new meego videos | 18:11 | |
| DawnFoster | we do have meego-announce, but it's only used for major release announcements and updates to major releases (1 post a month) | 18:12 |
| gabrbedd | DawnFoster, Stskeeps: Thanks. Looks like I need to join another ML or 3. :-p | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I like the one with all the handwritten stuff, it tickled me for obvious reasons. perhaps the real OS will catch up with marketing soon :P | 18:14 |
| abhy | There are two for N900: N900-devel/ and N900/, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.3.20110215.10/handset/images/ | 18:17 |
| abhy | what is the difference among them | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | abhy: -devel requires a 8gb image | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | er, sd | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | just get n900/ | 18:17 |
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| abhy | and whats there in 8gb one | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | space? | 18:18 |
| abhy | :) | 18:18 |
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| abhy | I mean what contents | 18:18 |
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| abhy | extra packed | 18:18 |
| abhy | :) | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, it just comes with bigger space, really | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:19 |
| abhy | So if I go with the above link it will be stable, right? Sorry for so many questions... just trying to know Meego :) | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | you're getting a development snapshot | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:20 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the -devel fitted on my 4gb each time I have tried | 18:21 |
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| abhy | hmm... then what do you recommend... simply go with the official 1.1 release | 18:21 |
| lcuk | mostly on days when there is no regular n900 image | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | abhy: you want to develop, right? | 18:21 |
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| abhy | applications | 18:21 |
| abhy | not OS Meego | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | then weekly should be ok | 18:21 |
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| abhy | can you please provide me the exact link, I'm not able to differentiate which one is Weekly | 18:22 |
| abhy | as they have released on so many dates | 18:22 |
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| The3211 | hiiii friends | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 18:27 |
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| The3211 | how are you ? @ stskeeps | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm alright | 18:27 |
| The3211 | where are you from?? @ stskeeps | 18:27 |
| abhy | Stskeeps: Can you please give me a weekly link | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | The3211: my sofa :) | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | abhy: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.3.20110215.10/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 18:28 |
| The3211 | :-) | 18:28 |
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| The3211 | what's your age ? @stskeeps | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | The3211: you're asking a lot of questions :) so what brings you here? | 18:29 |
| abhy | :) | 18:29 |
| abhy | Thanks | 18:29 |
| The3211 | nothing... :-D | 18:30 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly what went wrong at appup lab at MWC since people are being angry on twitter | 18:34 | |
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| Stskeeps | ah, it was full | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | gadget giveaway syndrome.. | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/02/hands-on-with-intels-meego-tablet-ui-good-ideas-rough-edges.ars <- thank god for an unbiased review | 18:49 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, that needs to end. | 18:50 |
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| GAN900 | Give a dozen employees 20 devices a piece and let them hand them out to people they talk to. | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: i kinda liked maclaver's way, yeah - running around with n900 boxes | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | have you got a usable meego handset ui on these n900s? | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | Will make people prone to harassing people with devices, but at least they'll still have to work for it. | 18:54 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: Hehe, yes, that was pretty funky :) Not only did a lot get handed out, but lots of talking and such happened as well :) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: usable? hah | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Then there is no point handing it out. | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm kidding, sort of..) | 18:56 |
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| idlecool | guys!! meego seems to be promising. sadly i have an android.. | 18:57 |
| idlecool | while meego.com has netbook and handset versions available | 18:57 |
| idlecool | what is core software | 18:57 |
| idlecool | how is meego organised? | 18:57 |
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| RST38h | Thou shalt smite the evil robot before it spawns | 18:57 |
| idlecool | is it yet another linux distribution targeting to be platform independent or something else.?? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | idlecool: The details are described at meego.com | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Please, head to meego.com to read about Meego architecture and organizational details. Thanks. | 18:58 |
| idlecool | RST38h, tnx :) | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | nedrichards: cool work on tablet UX, if you were involved obviously :) | 19:02 |
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| nedrichards | Stskeeps: do you see a photo of my cat in the default backgrounds? If you do, I was involved in it. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | nedrichards: hehe ;) | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | so are kittens.ogv yours? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | from the sample media set | 19:05 |
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| nedrichards | nope, hbons found those a few years ago | 19:05 |
| nedrichards | lily.jpg is my sisters cat though | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:07 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: I read the review you linked | 19:18 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: "the earliest developers to publish MeeGo software in Intel's AppUp store will be able to win cash prizes." | 19:18 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: so where's some clue about how to publish in the AppUp store? | 19:19 |
| leinir | Venemo: Sure thing: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/ :) | 19:20 |
| Venemo | thx leinir | 19:20 |
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| ali1234 | oh great, yet another SDK | 19:24 |
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| ali1234 | oh i see, it's just for store integration | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | not a complete OS SDK | 19:28 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it's an msi for the meego appup SDK | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | because, well | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | obviously any REAL software developer would be using Windows | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | *rolls-eyes* | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | I swear... | 19:33 |
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| berndhs | there is an installer for linux, except that my "distribution version is not supported yet" | 19:34 |
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| ahiemstra | what's so special about an application store that you need an sdk for it anyway? | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | it seems to have some kind of simple DRM | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | ie every time you run the apps, they phone home to check you are authorized | 19:36 |
| berndhs | i was hoping to find out by looking at the SDK :P | 19:36 |
| ahiemstra | berndhs: :P | 19:37 |
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| ahiemstra | ali1234: oh right | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | Indeed, the AppUp SDK is only a sort of DRM. | 19:37 |
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| mwichmann | calling it drm is overkill, yes; it's just a single interface to check if authorized, and afiak is not tied in to, well, things we think of as drm | 19:39 |
| mwichmann | more like a simple license manager, I believe | 19:39 |
| ahiemstra | hmm | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | just because the DRM is crap does not mean it is not DRM :) | 19:39 |
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| * ahiemstra wonders if it is required to use that for AppUp | 19:39 | |
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| mwichmann | well, it's Rights Management the way a Licence Manager is | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | and it's also Digital | 19:40 |
| mwichmann | you don't need to use the interface, it's optional (or so I've been told, don't consider that autoritative) | 19:40 |
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| gabrbedd | ahiemstra: it is required... but I heard the requirement is waived for FLOSS apps. | 19:41 |
| berndhs | it says somewhere that only open source apps are excepted from this, i'm not sure that that means precisely | 19:41 |
| ahiemstra | gabrbedd: ah, that was my primary concern :) | 19:41 |
| mwichmann | hmmm, okay, that seems odd | 19:41 |
| mwichmann | if I offer a free app, I don't care if it's been purchased or not | 19:42 |
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| mwichmann | (I did say don't consider my answer authoritative :) | 19:42 |
| berndhs | open source doesn't mean free | 19:42 |
| gabrbedd | well, that was last I checked about 9mos ago. Since they weren't ready for Prime Time with MeeGo then... I moved on to other stuff. :-) | 19:42 |
| mwichmann | I meant free = no charge, not oss | 19:43 |
| gabrbedd | berndhs: Yes, I know that... but but I figured the call was made by a PHB that doesn't know the difference. | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | it means the DRM also contains a killswitch and intel don't want malware authors to get around that by just not using it | 19:43 |
| berndhs | right, that's what I meant as well :) | 19:43 |
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| ali1234 | open source however can be audited before it is put up | 19:43 |
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| ali1234 | this is the most logical explanation anyway | 19:44 |
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| ahiemstra | ali1234: that sounds plausible, yes | 19:46 |
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| * javispedro thinks the themed tablet ux looks pretty cool | 19:53 | |
| Stskeeps | what do you mean by 'themed'? | 19:54 |
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| javispedro | the first one I saw kinda looked like a unthemed gtk+ app | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:56 |
| javispedro | dunno if it was a theme or that someone had been playing with it | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | you mean the first video they made? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ie, long ago? | 19:56 |
| javispedro | notmart, the one I saw here | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:57 |
| notmart | uh? | 19:57 |
| javispedro | .oO(the first time I see xchats nick autocompletion trigger, and it does the wrong thing) | 19:57 |
| javispedro | notmart, sorry. | 19:58 |
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| notmart | javispedro: np :) | 19:58 |
| tripz0 | javispedro, you mean how the apps currently look? | 19:58 |
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| tripz0 | (look kinda plain? ) | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | xopts=-nocursor is needed for sure on the tablet images (not sure where i would report issues atm) | 20:01 |
| javispedro | tripz0: none of the ones that I can get to look plain. | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | is this tablet ux available to the public? | 20:01 |
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| tripz0 | ali1234, there are public images, yeah | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: it's downloadable and supposedly we'll get source at some point | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | cool, i'll download it later than | 20:02 |
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| javispedro | seemingly intel advertised free s10-3ts on their mwc appup event, so they got like 400 registrations in a few seconds after some local tweeted it ;) | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i like it from technical pov, it being qml and using components | 20:02 |
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| javispedro | (never understimate spaniards' desire for freebies =) ) | 20:03 |
| ahiemstra | javispedro: quite possibly it was an unthemed gtk app | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact it doesn't use duihome | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:03 |
| tripz0 | Stskeeps, lol | 20:03 |
| tripz0 | no love for duihome eh? | 20:03 |
| javispedro | the exopc itself also looks cool :) | 20:03 |
| ahiemstra | for the new one though, nearly everything is done in qml, which shows | 20:03 |
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| tripz0 | javispedro, it's not as cool when you use it... the hw def has some bugs | 20:04 |
| tripz0 | but its decent for the most part | 20:04 |
| javispedro | like the lack of a front button... | 20:04 |
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| tripz0 | yeh that and the wifi radio seems buggy, bt doesn't work (possible driver issue there), the TS is flakey sometimes... | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | is it the same as the one we saw last year? cos that one looked really good | 20:05 |
| ahiemstra | I do hope they remove the need for the hardware button at some point though | 20:05 |
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| tripz0 | ali1234, it's the one from last years computex much improved and more real | 20:05 |
| javispedro | ali1234: same as the wetab hw seemingly | 20:05 |
| tripz0 | oh, you mean the hw? | 20:06 |
| tripz0 | yeh, it's the wetab hw | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | from a purely UI point of view.. is it just me or does the s10-3t screen tear when panning the main screen | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | ExoPC and WeTab aren't quite the same. ExoPC has ath9k, for example, while WeTab has ath3k IIRC. | 20:07 |
| tripz0 | it probably tears | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | at least my eyes can't follow, which isn't always a good thing :P | 20:07 |
| tripz0 | there's def some performance stuff we need to do to the UI | 20:08 |
| ahiemstra | if its tearing it means that the performance is too good though | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | provided it gets submitted to meego.com, we can probably help giving a hw agnostic view from seeing how it runs on ARM :P | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | +1 for a cool ui though | 20:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 20:09 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: What do you mean by "tear" ? | 20:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | tearing effect? | 20:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lack of vsync? | 20:10 |
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| ahiemstra | yeah, sounds like it | 20:10 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo_N900: Thanks. Found a wikipedia article. | 20:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | gabrbedd: basically it happens when the sw wants to refresh the screen more frequently than the screen's refresh rate would allow | 20:13 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo_N900: Thanks. I have an S10-3t sitting here, so I was seeing if I saw the same thing as Stskeeps. I'm running Handset UX ATM, and I don't see any tearing. (...but I think they were talking about the Intel Tablet UX) | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: try move screen side to side (panels view | 20:15 |
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| tripz0 | i don't see tearing on this exopc | 20:15 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Nope, I don't see tearing. Neither when viewing app icons nor when switching between running apps. | 20:17 |
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| * gabrbedd is using Handset UX similar to build 1.1.90.20110201 | 20:18 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | Has anyone run the IVI image on the Pinetrail flavor of Atom rather than Russellville? I'd like to try IVI on ExoPC and WeTab. | 20:18 |
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| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: I tried it the other day. The daily IVI build failed at boot (didn't start X or something). The 1.1 release worked... except that it seemed the mouse was mapped up-side down on my ideapad. | 20:19 |
| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: That is, both the mouse and the touch screen were weird... and I think up-side down. | 20:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks gabrbedd. Did you use 1.1 rather than the 1.1.1? Sounds like the differences are mostly Russellville-specific patches. Maybe I should try both as live-boots before I install one. | 20:21 |
| Alison_Chaiken | gabrbedd, speaking of not starting X on IVI, there's been some discussion of using "duihome -software" rather than default "duihome." | 20:22 |
| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: I tried meego-ivi-ia32-noemgd-1.1.img | 20:22 |
| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: I seem to recall that when I checked logs, it looked like Xorg started... but I still had a black screen. I can't remember if I could even get to a virtual terminal. I didn't report it because I didn't want to have to follow up on the bug. | 20:23 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | If you're going to pursue IVI more, I'd read the "EGL issues with latest images" thread on the meego-ivi list. Thanks for sharing your experience. | 20:25 |
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| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: Naw, I was just curious. However, I'm having EGL troubles on Handset... so I'll check it out. | 20:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Might try "duihome -software" just for the heck of it. That bypasses the GPU in case the driver is having a problem. Or I guess you could "modprobe -r" the GPU driver for good measure. | 20:27 |
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| gabrbedd | Alison_Chaiken: Well, in my case it's just one specific app. Everything else looks fine. | 20:29 |
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| ali1234 | i meant this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw | 20:48 |
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| tripz0 | ali1234, yeh, it's a more real version of that demo | 21:16 |
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| qgil | hi there | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 21:32 |
| qgil | next time someone comes with Nokia specific questions or comments off-topic here, please send them to http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2719 | 21:33 |
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| auke | MeeGoBot: nokia-strategy is please see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2719 | 21:33 |
| MeeGoBot | auke: ok | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: +1 | 21:34 |
| qgil | wow, this MeeGoBot is really smart | 21:34 |
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| CosmoHill | qgil: yeah but only auke knows how to use it | 21:34 |
| auke | hahaha | 21:35 |
| auke | MeeGoBot: qgil is awesome | 21:35 |
| MeeGoBot | auke: ok | 21:35 |
| qgil | wow, this auke is really smart | 21:35 |
| hena | knows how to use infobot? :) | 21:35 |
| CosmoHill | ~qgil | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGoBot: nokia-strategy? | 21:36 |
| MeeGoBot | Stskeeps: nokia-strategy is please see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2719 | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGoBot: qgil? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i'm smart too | 21:36 |
| MeeGoBot | CosmoHill: everyone knows that! qgil is awesome | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | ah ha! | 21:36 |
| hena | :) | 21:36 |
| Ronksu | haha :) | 21:36 |
| qgil | ok, now I know what to type whenever the ego is low :) | 21:37 |
| mihero | nokia-strategy?:) | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | that post reminds me of the message from nokia when they restructured symbian last year | 21:39 |
| qgil | he he | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | ie it says absolutely nothing | 21:39 |
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| qgil | ali1234: go tell this there, and we can discuss there. that's the point | 21:39 |
| qgil | ali1234: ask there for the answers you are missing etc | 21:39 |
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| auke | in general, "management" usually has an easier time answering specific questions, than ones in the line of "WTF?" | 21:42 |
| auke | so, go and ask specific questions. | 21:42 |
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| CosmoHill | MeeGoBot: auke? | 21:43 |
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| MeeGoBot | CosmoHill: auke is really good at kicking people :) | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap | 21:43 |
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| ali1234 | does anyone have that quote where they say "symbian will continue to be available under an open licence model (to be defined later)" | 21:46 |
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| auke | hahahaha | 21:46 |
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| ali1234 | i remember reading or hearing it somewhere but now i can't find it | 21:46 |
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| timeless | http://www.itproportal.com/2010/11/29/symbian-foundation-close-its-open-source-code-websites/ | 21:49 |
| timeless | > The platform will still remain open source, although the move is considered by many to be the beginning of the end for the Symbian OS. | 21:49 |
| timeless | > “We are working hard to make sure that most of the content accessible through web services (such as the source code, kits, wiki, bug database, reference documentation and Symbian Ideas) is available in some form, most likely on a DVD or USB hard drive upon request to the Symbian Foundation,” the Foundation said. | 21:49 |
| timeless | the reason you can't find it is that it was probably on http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Symbian_Foundation_web_sites_to_shut_down | 21:50 |
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| timeless | which is of course not reachable | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | "The Symbian Foundation leadership team will work together with Nokia to ensure that the reduction in operations of the foundation will bring as little disruption to the ecosystem as possible. Further details of this process will be shared at a later date." | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | from symbian.org front page | 21:50 |
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| qgil | ali1234: "very" interesting - I still fail to see the connection with my post (MeeGo & Qt source code is available, used by many, from many parties, forkable, modular, etc) but if you still want to discuss about Nokia specific stuff you are welcome in that thread | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | qgil: well you also talk about how "There are still plenty of details to be confirmed or even defined" with no indication of when that might happen, or who is going to do it | 21:53 |
| qgil | ali1234: because this is all I know myself - an alternative would be not saying anything until there is a fact confirmed by someone | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | if not you, then who? | 21:54 |
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| qgil | ali1234: maybe I should scan my pay slip and send it to you... | 21:54 |
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| andre__ | it's always disappointing to find out that qgil does not know everything, and more, and in advance, and that he's human! ;-) | 21:56 |
| gabrbedd | qgil: I think ali1234 only takes cash. | 21:56 |
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| lpotter | ali1234: this is because things are still being decided as we speak. | 21:57 |
| qgil | do me a favor, all: use that thread and leave #meego out of the Nokia internals - thank you! | 21:58 |
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| npm | what's the difference between Intel's 1.2 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite and the SDK's available from MeeGo.com ... also why does intel point to http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Tools/ and how is that different from the MeeGo Qt tools? | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | npm: the appup sdk is only for the appup api | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | not for making the whole apps | 22:16 |
| npm | thats different | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | you add it on to whatever you are using | 22:16 |
| npm | there's a separate appup sdk. this one http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/articles/building-meego-application-appup-using-linux-development-environment | 22:17 |
| npm | see "Install the MeeGo SDK for Linux" | 22:17 |
| npm | which points back to http://www.meego.com/ "For detailed information on installing MeeGo SDK for Linux, consult ..." | 22:18 |
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| must | hey boy i have a question --> | 22:23 |
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| CosmoHill | the question is... | 22:24 |
| must | Qt still suport by Nokia | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | must: yes, as far as has been announced so far | 22:24 |
| must | Qt still suport by Nokia? | 22:25 |
| gabrbedd | must: Yes, yes, and again: YES! | 22:25 |
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| must | ok. | 22:26 |
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| npm | ali1234: "MeeGo SDK installer for tablet" is what's installed by http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-sdk-suite -- has nothing to do with AppUp store | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | oh, i must have been on a different page then | 22:36 |
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| valianholt | good day! if anyone doesn't know the site yet, enjoy these detailed N900 hw specifications: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: submitted my current elephant in the room, for good measure, even though i'm financed on that particular area, that's not why i'm asking - it's because there's an obvious vacuum created that might be harmful to the project in general to not have information in :) | 22:59 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps++ | 23:02 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: where did you submit it? :) | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2719 | 23:02 |
| sivang | Also, more coherent with my blog post look out for Stephen as he talks about meego , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uglr-OkeMY . the word I find as another encouragement is "likely" "based off" etc. he talks about other options like HTML5, but with every option he mentions meego as the base. | 23:03 |
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| sivang | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uglr-OkeMY | 23:04 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: the only elephant I see is texrat. What's your handle on the forum? | 23:04 |
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| gabrbedd | Doh! | 23:04 |
| gabrbedd | Just saw the page two thing. | 23:04 |
| * gabrbedd doesn't spend much time in forums. | 23:04 | |
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| hena | forums are bad mmmm'kay | 23:05 |
| sivang | hena: heh | 23:05 |
| sivang | hena: I have trouble with them as well, not sure why forums are better than mailing lists for some kind of discussions :) | 23:05 |
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| gabrbedd | hena: I didn't say they're bad. | 23:06 |
| hena | somehow stuff gets out of hand so much easier in the web and the overhead of forums versus mailing lists is so much bigger :) | 23:06 |
| * gabrbedd didn't say he likes them, either.... :-p | 23:07 | |
| hena | but then again, forums reach more people and allow pictures and whatnot and all kinds of things | 23:07 |
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| sivang | it is much harder to search mailing list through google than forums :) | 23:07 |
| sivang | hena: "superb UX" :-) | 23:07 |
| * sivang opens thread. | 23:08 | |
| hena | hehe | 23:08 |
| hena | like, i couldn't imagine seeing linux on a mailinglist | 23:08 |
| gabrbedd | sivang: Indeed. | 23:08 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: look at the video, what ever he talks about he knows meego is going to be base and he admits this publically. Given qt must be funded nicely for at least 2 years for the transition, I think meego has bright future and is a matter of time before becomes prime time for NOkia *again*. | 23:09 |
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| hena | but then again, my bmw discussions just wouldn't fit into mailing lists ever | 23:09 |
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| hena | :) | 23:09 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: oh, you talk about the architecture parity..... unrelated. | 23:16 |
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| gabrbedd | elephant architecture party? | 23:19 |
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| sivang | heh | 23:20 |
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| TSCHAKeee | is there a CDK for Tunnel Creek hardware? | 23:37 |
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