| arfoll | vgrade, you get a segfault as well on vainfo? | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | lcuk2: ping | 00:03 |
| vgrade | arfoll, yup | 00:03 |
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| kaie | are the handset builds in this directory the best/latest builds to try meego on n900? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/ | 00:04 |
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| vgrade | i did see some posts on ubuntu re latest emgd and cva | 00:05 |
| vgrade | va | 00:05 |
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| vgrade | crashing | 00:05 |
| CosmoHill | hey vgrade | 00:05 |
| CosmoHill | once again, why isn't this channel hidden? | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | I want people who are interested in meego to come here via the website or other means | 00:06 |
| CosmoHill | not trolls and bots who use /list | 00:06 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: :D | 00:06 |
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| skrullis | I have followed the rescue guide for nokia n900 at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd . The guide says that I should see a rescue menu but the screen is just black. The rescue commands seem to work however. What I want to do is to open a rescue terminal so I really need to see something. Does anyone know what the problem could be? | 00:07 |
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| vgrade | Evening CosmoHil | 00:08 |
| vgrade | l | 00:08 |
| gingerbread | hello meegoans! | 00:08 |
| CosmoHill | tbh the second L is just for redundancy / backup | 00:08 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: I see a future in law enforcement... | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | as long as it doesn't involve recovering evil videos from computers | 00:10 |
| lbt | stomping... I see lots of stomping | 00:11 |
| lbt | and bad poetry | 00:11 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, xbmc and opengl2 fails as on previous EMGD, so i'm trying to build XBMC for the atv2 that should work better (video + opengles2 should work), but they've changed the build system and it's broken | 00:17 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, i also wanted to ask you, how come when the joggler boots it isn't autoenabling ethernet? I need to run the netbook UX, enable the ethernet and then it connects. can I make it connect in runlevel3? | 00:19 |
| skrullis | I just realized that my rescue start of meego on the n900 was actually quite successful, it's only the backlight that's missing. How do I turn it on? | 00:20 |
| vgrade | arfoll, as you know the joggler does not have a mac address for eth0 so has to be setup. I thought I had put something in rc.local but may have forgot to do that with the latest image | 00:23 |
| vgrade | it shoud do ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 | 00:24 |
| vgrade | dhclient eth0 | 00:24 |
| vgrade | ifconfig eth0 | 00:24 |
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| arfoll | vgrade, no it looks like its there | 00:25 |
| * arfoll just made a 176mb patch file... | 00:25 | |
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| vgrade | arfoll, will investigate | 00:27 |
| arfoll | vgrade, thx, i was trying to get openbox instead of netbook UX and can't because of it :-( | 00:28 |
| arfoll | anwyays i have to go early tonight | 00:28 |
| arfoll | so cyao | 00:28 |
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| arfoll | see you all here for the 10am GMT ;-) i'll be wearing my meego shirt | 00:29 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-229.html | 00:31 |
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| vgrade | arfoll, no t-shirt here but N900 running meego in pocket | 00:32 |
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| berndhs | i'm not awake at 10am GMT | 00:37 |
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| bzhb | http://conversations.nokia.com will be the hub for tomorrow’s Nokia strategy announcement starting around 7:30am GMT | 00:54 |
| bzhb | by Nokia on twitter | 00:55 |
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| berndhs | i'm not awake at 7:30 am GMT either | 00:57 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: I was awake at 6am, damn central heating turned on 2 hours early | 01:09 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: better than not wake up because the heat doesn't turn on :) | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | I still wake up, I just can't get out of bed | 01:13 |
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| berndhs | put interesting things far away from the bed | 01:14 |
| berndhs | I get up at 6am frequently, just not 6am GMT :) | 01:15 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a habbit of waking up 30 mins before my lecture | 01:15 |
| berndhs | that;s good enough if you're the professor | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | I never said I was late | 01:16 |
| berndhs | as long as you dont drive before you wake up, its ok | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | takes me twice as long to drive in than it does to take my bike | 01:17 |
| berndhs | usually took me 15 mins to drive to school, another 10 to find a parking spot | 01:18 |
| berndhs | then 15 min walk to lecture | 01:18 |
| CosmoHill | 20 to drive, 10 to walk | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | or 15 to bike | 01:19 |
| berndhs | bike path was uphill both ways, so I didnt do that :) | 01:20 |
| CosmoHill | I like biking :) | 01:21 |
| berndhs | me too, jsut not long steep hills going up | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need to tune my gears | 01:21 |
| berndhs | Tri-Flow is good, dont know if they sell it in the UK | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 01:22 |
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| berndhs | its teflon spray stuff, good for lubricating gears and bike chains | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | ah I see, it's just out of alignment | 01:23 |
| berndhs | won't help with that of course :) | 01:23 |
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| berndhs | but if you get sand in the chain, it keeps it from eating the sprockets | 01:24 |
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| CosmoHill | where the hell do you go to university? | 01:24 |
| berndhs | San Diego | 01:25 |
| berndhs | some years ago | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | oh okay | 01:25 |
| berndhs | I actually graduated and had to leave | 01:25 |
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| CosmoHill | what did you graduate in? | 01:26 |
| berndhs | computer science | 01:27 |
| berndhs | parallel computing | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm so grabbing you for my dissertation | 01:27 |
| berndhs | as an example of how not to do it ? | 01:28 |
| berndhs | :) | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | yeah...no...I've had 1 failed motherboard, 4 / 5 failed PSUs and a faulty switch | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | my replacement switch was used for parts within 3 days | 01:29 |
| berndhs | that's a hardware problem | 01:29 |
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| CosmoHill | yeah but it still sucks when it blows up when you plug it in | 01:31 |
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| berndhs | true | 01:33 |
| berndhs | that's why you want similators, they dont smoke | 01:33 |
| berndhs | s/simi/simu/ | 01:34 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: that's why you want simulators, they dont smoke | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | I had to look at your sed statment to see the difference between the two sentances | 01:34 |
| berndhs | yes human perception is very interesting | 01:35 |
| berndhs | we often see what we expect to see | 01:35 |
| berndhs | whether its there or not :) | 01:36 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: If you let the smoke out of a cluster, is that still considered cloud computing? | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | i don't think it counts if it's kinda poisonous | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | that and I dread to think what the fine is for setting off the smoke alarmm | 01:45 |
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| gabrbedd | You get fines for that? From the uni or the city? | 01:49 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | don't know | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | don't intent to find out | 01:50 |
| DrGrov | Anyone feeling the interest for tomorrow's big Nokia press conference? | 01:50 |
| berndhs | yeah Mubarak is scared of Nokia's announcement :P | 01:51 |
| DrGrov | LOL | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I'm indifferent | 01:52 |
| DrGrov | I have been thinking over and over again and again about this | 01:52 |
| berndhs | just wait, Elop is going to make Hosni quit | 01:52 |
| DrGrov | I do not get any kind of result. He is a cryptic man to say the least. | 01:52 |
| DrGrov | Is the "burning platform" memo even real? | 01:53 |
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| berndhs | Hosni ? he believes his own propaganda, that's pretty much it | 01:53 |
| DrGrov | berndhs: No, Elop. | 01:53 |
| berndhs | don't know if he believes his propaganda, haven't watching him | 01:54 |
| mdp | I have a customer thinking about basing their project on Qt, now they are worrying about its longevity due to all the press on this | 01:55 |
| DrGrov | berndhs: That is what I was thinking about as well. I do not get any grip on the man somehow. | 01:55 |
| berndhs | I think Mubarak is more interresting tomorrow | 01:55 |
| DrGrov | Yes, Mubarak will be tha man tomorrow. | 01:56 |
| DrGrov | He will at least give some type of answers. | 01:56 |
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| DrGrov | You guys think that the burning platform memo by Elop is actually his own writing? | 01:58 |
| berndhs | dunno | 01:58 |
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| DrGrov | berndhs: Me neither. It is a powerful statement to say the least. | 01:59 |
| berndhs | its blustery fluff :) | 01:59 |
| berndhs | or fluffy bluster | 01:59 |
| berndhs | or soemthing | 01:59 |
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| gabrbedd | The memo is written like a horoscope... there's lots of ways to read into it. | 02:00 |
| gabrbedd | we'll know the forunes tomorrow, though. | 02:00 |
| DrGrov | gabrbedd: Yes, that is the good part. We will know tomorrow what happens. | 02:01 |
| gabrbedd | And when it happens... I'll be asleep, like berndhs. | 02:02 |
| DrGrov | gabrbedd: I just sure as hell hope he is not cooking it up with Mr. Ballmer and having a M$ party coming up | 02:02 |
| gabrbedd | ...just not /with/ berndhs. | 02:02 |
| DrGrov | gabrbedd: You got me scared there LOL | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | you got berndhs' hopes up there | 02:02 |
| berndhs | gabrbedd: thank you, and praise the Lord :) | 02:02 |
| DrGrov | LOL :) | 02:02 |
| DrGrov | Thanks guys, the humor kind of relieves my stress LOL | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | I have to be of some use in the channel | 02:03 |
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| DrGrov | CosmoHill: Yes, that is a nice thing :) | 02:05 |
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| openstandards | Being a maemo user, I don't like the comments made by the new nokia ceo... | 02:24 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: Do tell me which comments you are meaning. He has made several comments that I do not like myself one bit. | 02:25 |
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| openstandards | our platform is burning... doesn't sound good but perhaps you can enlighenmet on others hes made | 02:27 |
| wmarone | it's an apt statement, and has nothing directly to do with software | 02:28 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: I consider more his wandering about thinking about choices to be disturbing. | 02:29 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: I feel there is too much dead weight over at Nokia at the highest positions. | 02:29 |
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| Jason87 | lol | 02:30 |
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| CosmoHill | that wasn't questionable at all | 02:30 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: personally I love my n900 and the two that I did suggest the phone to love it too, it lacked features but the community stepped up and added features with extra apps and now i fear this ceo is a bit of a jack ass | 02:31 |
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| DrGrov | openstandards: I have not yet judged him completely. But I am getting scared that he is driving the gigantic boat straight to hell.... | 02:34 |
| openstandards | some of those at top level can't understand what gold mine meego could be as a platform, it has cost them alot but i've spoken to a symbian dev thats worked with qt and hes enjoyed it. I hope we see another top end phone like the n900 because its increible | 02:34 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: YES! | 02:35 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: Meego is a pure gold mine. You hit the nail on the head right there" | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | you keep out of my mine | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | and watch out for the goblins, they have fast hands | 02:36 |
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| DrGrov | CosmoHill: Damn you! | 02:38 |
| DrGrov | CosmoHill: That mine is mine, only mine! | 02:38 |
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| openstandards | nokia don't just need to make phones... alot of money is in set top boxes and its a market they know too what with their nokia satelite recievers | 02:38 |
| DrGrov | CosmoHill: I will bring the PipBoy to navigate myself through your mines and lockpick the master vault :) | 02:38 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: Yes, they could make more end-user products, not just phones. That would also be a future. | 02:39 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: I actually got myself into debt getting my phone when I did however it was a phone i'm proud to say I own however I don't like all the hurdles you need to do to get calendar syncing right | 02:42 |
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| DrGrov | openstandards: I had mine for about 10 months or so. Sold it to my cousin here a few weeks ago since I got myself the Nokia N8. | 02:43 |
| openstandards | crazy lad, i couldn't bring myself to part from mine | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | He is taking good care of it so that is why I wanted him to have it. | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | I have had about 8 or 9 phones in the past 3 years | 02:45 |
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| openstandards | blimey I don't buy phones much I've had about 8 in 10 yrs or so, this is by far my fav | 02:45 |
| DrGrov | I still have not found my favorite I think. | 02:46 |
| DrGrov | The N8 is close but I still dream about Nokia and Meego. | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | 3 of my last 4 phones have been second hand / hand me down | 02:46 |
| openstandards | i liked the e65 it had some nice features | 02:46 |
| CosmoHill | I was watching my signal disapear today, kinda weird since I wasn't moving | 02:47 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WOZ_avFmA | 02:48 |
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| DrGrov | openstandards: No, I will watch it now. | 02:50 |
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| DrGrov | openstandards: Pretty cool :) | 02:52 |
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| openstandards | it looks fantastic, meego could tap into one of the biggest and brightest dev communities if they stick to their plan and fancy hiring an ex microsoft ceo | 02:54 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXWEyKjwk2g this is also impressive | 02:58 |
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| DrGrov | openstandards: The second video I have seen before | 03:28 |
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| DrGrov | Damn I hate to wait for firmware upgrades | 03:35 |
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| adios_ameegos | Evening all | 04:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | oh look, another troll with a clever user name. | 04:09 |
| * TSCHAKeee yawns | 04:09 | |
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| adios_ameegos | So....sounds like Windows for top end products boys and girls...any comments? | 04:11 |
| wmarone | no one knows anything yet | 04:11 |
| adios_ameegos | wmarone: well, not oficially anyways | 04:12 |
| hlzxy | I falied load the source by "rsync -a rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ " with error "rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)", anybody know why? | 04:12 |
| adios_ameegos | Where is that leave meego? | 04:13 |
| wmarone | adios_ameegos: even the unofficial stuff is suspect | 04:13 |
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| adios_ameegos | TSCHAKeee: do yoh always insult anybody that comes into this channel? | 04:17 |
| adios_ameegos | *you | 04:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | no, just you....MeegoBoy....adios_ameegos...or whatever you wish to call yourself today. | 04:18 |
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| wmarone | think he's finally getting bored? | 04:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | maybe. | 04:22 |
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| jonwil | Anyone here know anything about the plans for N900 GPS on MeeGo? There is documentation at www.wirelessmodemapi.com for the "modem LCS Server" but it doesn't seem to be correct for the N900 cellmo firmware. I also cant work out what versions of AT_MODEM_ISI_VERSION, SMS_ISI_VERSION etc match the N900 | 05:12 |
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| timoph | jonwil: dunno about the techical details but the feature for location stuff is still open: https://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=5747&hide_resolved=1 | 06:02 |
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| jonwil | Will add something to the relavent bug (bug 11796 is about GPS on N900) | 06:19 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11796 nor, Medium, ---, carsten, NEW, GeoClue & Qt Mobility Location API non-functional on Nokia N900 | 06:19 |
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| toadpole | any news on the future of meego yet? | 09:10 |
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| Stskeeps | toadpole: same as always | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | we're at work and working | 09:10 |
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| toadpole | i'd be completely gutted if they killed meego | 09:11 |
| toadpole | been using nokias for 15 years, can't use anything else.. certainly not wp7 | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, well, we'll see soon | 09:13 |
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| sivu | 20mins till cancellation? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | meego isn't exclusively a nokia project, you now | 09:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I think meego has enough momentum to be a success without Nokia. In fact, I think it can be a successful embedded Linux distro for mobile without handsets. | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | i think meego can go on along as qt isn't ditched for whatever reason, either way, it's shaping up to be a very nice distro to build products using | 09:26 |
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| skrullis | i started the meego rescue mode on my n900 through an initrd. The led shines yellow when booted. Is that a sign that it is charging? | 09:28 |
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| bzhb_ | nokia microsoft partnership official | 09:35 |
| bzhb_ | http://conversations.nokia.com/ | 09:35 |
| bzhb_ | video on the right | 09:35 |
| aholler | so metoo instead of meego, what a vision | 09:36 |
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| bzhb_ | balmer makes reference to nokia wp7 phone | 09:40 |
| franz_ | • Nokia will adopt Windows Phone as its primary smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader. | 09:40 |
| franz_ | "primary" | 09:40 |
| franz_ | :( | 09:40 |
| saidinesh5 | so the Meego device cancelled or will just be another N900? | 09:40 |
| poutsi | read all of it, they're still shipping a meego device this year | 09:41 |
| Wellark^ | http://www.4-traders.com/NOKIA-6468/news/NOKIA-outlines-new-strategy-introduces-new-leadership-operational-structure-13558600/ | 09:42 |
| Mece_ | fuuuuuuuuuuuu | 09:42 |
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| Mece_ | *facepalm* | 09:43 |
| av500 | noklasoft(tm) | 09:43 |
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| av500 | poutsi: press release does not mention meego | 09:44 |
| sivang | hmm | 09:44 |
| aholler | but devtools from ms, i wonder what will happen with qt, sold to ms and than forgotten... | 09:45 |
| saidinesh5 | poutsi: i cant find any word about meego | 09:45 |
| saidinesh5 | so will the meego device be another N900 or will it be totally scrapped? | 09:46 |
| * sivang can't believe the news | 09:46 | |
| poutsi | can't be arsed to find it but I did read that somewhere | 09:46 |
| av500 | poutsi: yes, but that is "old" news now | 09:47 |
| bzhb_ | elop did pee in its pants for warm | 09:47 |
| comawhite | Well MeeGo will still live, but any shot of MeeGo becoming popular on mobile phones from Nokia is a lost cause now | 09:47 |
| zma | "Under the new strategy, MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project. MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year." | 09:47 |
| Shadikka | At least they didn't kill MeeGo outright. | 09:48 |
| sivang | so all the rumors were right... about meego going to be shed out | 09:48 |
| av500 | sounds like an N1000 to me | 09:48 |
| av500 | another geek phone | 09:48 |
| hena | T1000 | 09:48 |
| av500 | 1000b | 09:48 |
| aholler | if ms is involved meego will become a enemy. | 09:49 |
| av500 | aholler: I am sure M$ will license all its linux patents to Nokia | 09:49 |
| aholler | why should nokia need them? | 09:50 |
| av500 | coz elop said so | 09:50 |
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| Mece_ | "Under the new strategy, MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project. MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year." | 09:51 |
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| saidinesh5 | Mece_: where did you find that? | 09:51 |
| Mece_ | #meego-arm | 09:51 |
| aholler | _1_ product | 09:51 |
| murrayc | "becomes"? | 09:51 |
| akikhaw | its from the pressrelease here: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1488004 | 09:51 |
| iekku | this year | 09:51 |
| Mece_ | so basically there will be one meego product. it better be awesome. | 09:52 |
| comawhite | zma, maybe so, but what's the point when they are selling their competitor also next to MeeGo phones. | 09:52 |
| comawhite | that's like soaking matches in gasoline | 09:53 |
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| av500 | meego is a "project" now.... | 09:53 |
| akikhaw | Smart Devices will be responsible for building Nokia's leadership in smartphones and will be led by Jo Harlow. The following sub-units now in Mobile Solutions will move under Smart Devices: | 09:54 |
| akikhaw | - Symbian Smartphones | 09:54 |
| akikhaw | - MeeGo Computers | 09:54 |
| akikhaw | - Strategic Business Operations | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 09:54 |
| akikhaw | meego is listed under computers now in the new structure | 09:54 |
| zma | comawhite, obviously there wasn't enough fire on oil platform yet ;) | 09:54 |
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| comawhite | I rather seen a Google partnership than with Microsoft | 09:54 |
| comawhite | "Nokia will adopt Windows Phone as its primary smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader." | 09:55 |
| Shadikka | Fun little note: WP7 is the only "smartphone" OS that isn't POSIX-compatible. (or around so) | 09:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Too bad WP7 and meego will be in the same organizational group. It sounds like the split is smartphones (WP7 and MeeGo) plus featurephones (*still* Symbian). | 09:55 |
| comawhite | hence /Primary/ | 09:55 |
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| av500 | and so much potential for "synergy" between them | 09:57 |
| passeli|w | so i guess we can forget Qt and start learning C# ... | 09:57 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I suspect Qt is now a *larger* part of Nokia's strategy, but I have no inside knowledge whatever. | 09:58 |
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| sivang | zma: ?:) | 09:58 |
| aholler | at least I now know what will be my next phone, surely android. | 09:58 |
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| kavacha1 | It is of no benifit to NOkia this deal, | 10:00 |
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| kavacha1 | it is massive benifit for MS | 10:00 |
| sivang | where is teh full announcment with the organizational changes? | 10:00 |
| bzhb_ | i have the feeling that elop was a troyan horse | 10:00 |
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| kavacha1 | still on hte payroll of MS | 10:00 |
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| sivang | so embedded visual basic into html pages? :) | 10:01 |
| henux | what happens to meego now since nokia drops it? | 10:01 |
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| henux | there's not going to be a meego smartphone, is there? | 10:01 |
| mece | "#MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences" | 10:01 |
| mece | says Stskeeps :) | 10:02 |
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| jjo | "Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year." | 10:02 |
| jjo | from: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1488004 | 10:02 |
| henux | a product | 10:02 |
| * av500CDGS still plans to finish hiw PhD one day... | 10:02 | |
| Alex-Meego | plans. But WP7 is primary now | 10:02 |
| henux | one product | 10:02 |
| toadpole | they probably not concentrate on MeeGo | 10:02 |
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| toadpole | as far as i'm concerned, Nokia can now kiss my ass | 10:03 |
| jjo | they wanted to differentiate and this is surely a good way to do that | 10:03 |
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| toadpole | two turkeys do not make an eagle, as google VP said | 10:03 |
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| sivang | a bit ironic the wish is to give a better user experience and to save things when this strategy for me looks the complete opoosite | 10:04 |
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| lcuk2 | Its a shame that letter was not delivered in his handwriting. | 10:07 |
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| sivang | the leadership would be close to impossilbe to regain with non posix based os, where the rest are | 10:07 |
| bzhb_ | sivang: it does saves thing for MS... | 10:07 |
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| sivang | this is blowing up the platform and shootinf the guy who jumped to to cold water...:/ | 10:08 |
| jonwil | If Nokia wanted to kill whats left of their smartphone business, adopting Windows Mobile is the way to do it | 10:08 |
| sivang | *shooting | 10:08 |
| sivang | jonwil: I agree | 10:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I wish I knew who the head of "MeeGo Computers" will be since it's not Alberto Torres. | 10:09 |
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| aholler | headless computers | 10:09 |
| sivang | perhaps the plan is to work with MS for the meanwhile, and then when meego is ripe to put it back to be the best show in town? | 10:09 |
| av500 | lol | 10:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | sivang, that's the best face I can put on it. MeeGo will face much less competition in IVI, for example. | 10:10 |
| sivang | Alison_Chaiken: did he talk about IVI? | 10:10 |
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| av500 | so nokia will release a car? | 10:10 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sivang, I have the same info as you. | 10:10 |
| av500 | running meego? | 10:10 |
| sivang | does anybody know people who buy WP7 smartphones? | 10:10 |
| toadpole | anyone know whats happening at Nokia's MeeGo dev team? | 10:10 |
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| av500 | sivang: I played once with one, the UI is nice | 10:11 |
| toadpole | ( sivang ): i know a guy who bought the HTC WP7 phone | 10:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | toadpole, Nokia employees have a briefing in 9.5 hours. | 10:11 |
| toadpole | he's happy with it | 10:11 |
| Alex-Meego | So... Symbian died today. Meego is going to die. WP7 is not born yet | 10:11 |
| toadpole | ( Alison_Chaiken ): are you part of it? | 10:11 |
| sivang | so maybe in due time, the UI from ms will be combined with meego and that is the plan? | 10:11 |
| iekku | Alex-Meego, again, meego!=nokia | 10:11 |
| Alison_Chaiken | toadpole, part of what? If I wake up in time, I will attend the briefing. | 10:12 |
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| sivang | but since no committment is made it leaves the time for more work for r&d? | 10:12 |
| toadpole | ( Alison_Chaiken ): the dev team, that is | 10:12 |
| saidinesh5 | Alison_Chaiken: and symbian really wont die | 10:12 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sivang, that's my read. | 10:12 |
| Alex-Meego | I know. But Nokia financed also in this project | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 10:12 |
| wazd | jesus christ, what's hap0ening in the world | 10:12 |
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| wazd | stskeeps: heya | 10:12 |
| sivang | wazd: hell has frozen | 10:12 |
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| toadpole | you know, i was planning on buying the e7 later today | 10:12 |
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| toadpole | i think i'll just get an android | 10:13 |
| toadpole | any suggestions? | 10:13 |
| obit_sweden | I will eat a lot of turkey during easter | 10:13 |
| dm8tbr | go troll somewhere else | 10:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | saidinesh5, I totally don't understand Symbian being split between "Symbian Smartphones" in "Smart Devices" and the "Mobile Phones" unit. I guess MP gets S60 and S40 and the evergreen Symbian 3 goes to "Smart Devices." | 10:13 |
| wazd | stskeeps: any blood baths in your area? :) | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm not sure if we are bought or sold yet | 10:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | toadpole, I had a new coworker join the MeeGo team in Sunnyvale yesterday. Tomorrow we should check nokia.taleo.net and see what job openings look like . . . | 10:14 |
| sivang | Alison_Chaiken: I wonder what would the breifing be | 10:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | sivang, I have no idea. Probably no new info, just rehash, is my guess! | 10:16 |
| sivang | right | 10:16 |
| Alison_Chaiken | People who brief us will probably be told to calm us down but not give us new facts. | 10:16 |
| saidinesh5 | Alison_Chaiken: how good is s60's Qt support? | 10:16 |
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| sivang | still thinking about meego for the future, switching to a platform that's not there yet and has low adoption, is kind of against reason or maybe WP7 is as good as andriod? (I never touched one so I would not know) | 10:17 |
| Alison_Chaiken | saidinesh5, people I trust say Qt works well on all Symbian and that it's easy to deploy apps across all the platforms, but I'm the wrong one to ask. | 10:17 |
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| Wellark^ | in Helsinki Stock Market Nokia has taken a hit of -11% and still sinking | 10:17 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | sivang, some companies were set to announce meego products in Barcelona. Will be fascinating now to see what comes out of Barcelona this week. | 10:17 |
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| Mece_ | nokia stock -9% OMX | 10:18 |
| saidinesh5 | hmm... well if S60's Qt support is good enough, then may be MP getting S60 and Symbian 3 going to smart devices , else i think Symbian 3 on both mobile phones and smart devices | 10:18 |
| Mece_ | 11??? | 10:18 |
| Mece_ | ok | 10:18 |
| sivang | this is also a way to scare out the developers who were following open development models with Nokia..:/ yet a new platform, new sdk (MFC?) | 10:18 |
| Mece_ | ouch | 10:18 |
| sivang | saidinesh5: so why WP7 as well? | 10:19 |
| saidinesh5 | sivang: not really? iirc Mono has WP7 support right? | 10:19 |
| sivang | saidinesh5: YOu tel me, I don't know :) | 10:19 |
| Khertan | Mece_: nokia stock -9% OMX << and it s not enough ! | 10:19 |
| Khertan | Morning all ! | 10:19 |
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| saidinesh5 | i dnno much sivang... | 10:20 |
| Khertan | what a cruel news ! | 10:20 |
| wazd | khertan: heya | 10:20 |
| wazd | I just don't get wtf was that | 10:20 |
| sivang | wazd: me neither, it seems like a kind of a mistake or a bad dream? :) | 10:21 |
| * Khertan think it ll be time to stop learning QML and start to see at an other framework | 10:21 | |
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| VladNistor | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1488004 | 10:21 |
| sivang | Khertan: I hope not | 10:21 |
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| sivang | Khertan: Qt runs well on windows, though | 10:21 |
| saidinesh5 | Khertan: QML still runs on symbian and it is getting really good.. | 10:22 |
| VladNistor | in case u missed the press release :) | 10:22 |
| chouchoune | what an horrible morning : I guess I'll need to check on WebOS side now ... | 10:22 |
| pgquiles | so is meego effectively dead now? that "meego becomes an open source operating system" sounds like dead dead dead | 10:22 |
| comawhite | VladNistor, "you" not "u" | 10:22 |
| Khertan | chouchoune: and probably fork qt | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | pgquiles: we're already a open source os | 10:22 |
| comawhite | pgquiles, it's not, but you might consider it on Nokia phones now | 10:23 |
| saidinesh5 | meego isnt just mobile phone pgquiles | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | ah, the speculations continue... | 10:23 |
| comawhite | dm8tbr, what speculations? | 10:23 |
| Khertan | saidinesh5: yep ... but starting dev for a dead plateform is probably not the best idea :) | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | comawhite: e.g. about where meego is going | 10:23 |
| comawhite | oh | 10:23 |
| VladNistor | my bad comawhite | 10:23 |
| comawhite | VladNistor, it's cool, sorry I just hate lazy typed English | 10:24 |
| LoCusF | http://conversations.nokia.com/images/Nokia-10-2-11-SLE-14.jpg <- the ultimate trollface | 10:24 |
| * sivang recalls with irony the talk Futurice gave on developing qt on windows ce http://qt.nokia.com/developer/learning/online/talks/developerdays2010/tech-talks/qt-for-cross-platform-mobile-development | 10:24 | |
| VladNistor | I do too, but i just got the breaking news from the FT and thought you might like it sooner rather than later :)) | 10:24 |
| VladNistor | and i used you when pasting the link in #maemo. | 10:25 |
| saidinesh5 | Khertan: really, i dnt think symbian is dead.... i mean thats where Nokia still sells...... so QML++ i guess | 10:25 |
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| Glavata | It's not April 1st yet Nokia :(((( | 10:26 |
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| thp | sivang: wince != wp7 ;) | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | thp: it's actually a wince base | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:27 |
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| aholler | nokia is now a m$ subsidiary, elop got his old chief back ;) | 10:27 |
| Glavata | http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/elop-600x480.jpg | 10:28 |
| thp | didn't know that ;) but then, the ui layer is probably (hopefully?) a different one these days | 10:28 |
| niala1 | morning | 10:28 |
| sivang | thp: Stskeeps tells me wp7 is on wince foundations or so :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | at least wikipedia claims it | 10:28 |
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| Khertan | He talks about jumping from a plateform in fire into the sea, and instead he run into the fire | 10:29 |
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| raster | Stskeeps: it is last i knew | 10:29 |
| sivang | Khertan: jumping onto the ice, you mean | 10:30 |
| raster | Stskeeps: so.... meego is... dead? :) | 10:30 |
| av500 | raster: mate! | 10:30 |
| thp | sivang, Stskeeps: yep, just read it on wikipedia now. | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | raster: the verdict is still not reached | 10:30 |
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| raster | av500: yo! | 10:30 |
| Mece_ | well at least one meego device they claim | 10:30 |
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| Khertan | sivang: probably :) | 10:30 |
| av500 | raster: maybe they will make a fridge with WP7 | 10:30 |
| sivang | the stock clearly shows this is a business suicide..but surely there are more folks in NOkia then elop to decide on such things? | 10:31 |
| Glavata | MeeGo will be a lab project | 10:31 |
| raster | Stskeeps: well if windows phone 7 is now the principal smartphone strategy.. or so i read on engadget.. wither meego? :) | 10:31 |
| Mece_ | so how is the NOK1V stock now? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | raster: well, they claim it'll continue | 10:31 |
| raster | av500: hehehe | 10:31 |
| Shadikka | Mece_: -11% | 10:31 |
| * sivang restarts learning to MFC and winforms. At least C++ is stil useful :) | 10:31 | |
| raster | Stskeeps: smells of a very not-winning strategy for nok. | 10:31 |
| raster | Shadikka: as i thought.. not winning strategy :) | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | raster: not a nokia employee but refreshing my CV is probably a good idea | 10:32 |
| raster | well that smells like that is the opinion of the market :) | 10:32 |
| raster | Stskeeps: hhehehe | 10:32 |
| raster | sure | 10:32 |
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| raster | i was just curious what "direction" nokia woudl take | 10:33 |
| raster | its happene dbeforew with maemo | 10:33 |
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| raster | it was all gtk/gnome stuff | 10:33 |
| raster | and then suddenyl tolltech was bought | 10:33 |
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| raster | and then goodbye g-world, hello q-world | 10:33 |
| Shadikka | So let's see, to develop for all dominant phone platforms now you need to know Java for Android, XNA/Silverlight/whatever for WP7 and ObjC for iOS. | 10:33 |
| raster | now that looks to me like a "hello win-world" :) | 10:33 |
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| VladNistor | hahah http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/shares/shareinformation?Instrument=HEX24311 | 10:34 |
| Glavata | I have a feeling that this is the oppinion of the US market :\ | 10:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Funny, I thought US market was the one that wanted WP7 | 10:36 |
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| Khertan | ShadowJK: i don't think | 10:37 |
| sivang | we have a great ecosystem, why not just make it better instead of plundging into an unpopular platform and try to create an ecosystemwith it? | 10:37 |
| ShadowJK | (as far as anyone at all would want wp7) | 10:37 |
| Glavata | WP7 to me is just a rushed out OS that is still not even close to completion | 10:38 |
| Glavata | WP7 = Vista heh | 10:38 |
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| sivang | so how come there is oging to be an attempt to make it what meego "couldn't", while it is light years back? | 10:38 |
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| raster | let me read the whole press releasy goop | 10:39 |
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| sivang | anyway, time to go relax a bit | 10:43 |
| sivang | cheers all, keep the faith | 10:43 |
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| Glavata | I would have been fine keeping the faith for one more year in hope for something that can turn Nokia around. This decision has shattered my dreams :\ | 10:45 |
| Mece_ | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers?sf1066337=1 | 10:45 |
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| lauri | http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011 | 10:46 |
| lauri | How does this affect MeeGo-s future? | 10:46 |
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| Glavata | Maybe less resources put into MeeGo? | 10:48 |
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| Glavata | look Ballmer can't say "Nokia" right in the video :D | 10:49 |
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| niala1 | it's already done? nokia drop meego? | 10:50 |
| av500 | niala1: yes, please return your n900, so it can be wiped from it | 10:51 |
| suy | yes, congratulations to mr elop, the man who killed nokia | 10:51 |
| comawhite | suy, well he's ex-MS would do you expect? | 10:51 |
| dm8tbr | ah, it's troll friday XXL | 10:51 |
| av500 | i wont get any work done today | 10:52 |
| thresh | av500: fix my 720p dammit | 10:52 |
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| thresh | :) | 10:52 |
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| niala1 | and now all the phone on earth are asian or us. europeen finish :/ | 10:53 |
| av500 | yes, finish | 10:54 |
| av500 | or finnish? | 10:55 |
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| niala1 | lol finish finnish | 10:55 |
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| niala1 | I HATE JAVA, I HATE WINDOWS, windows sucks since win95 | 10:56 |
| aholler | itsuckedbefore too | 10:56 |
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| suy | maybe we should all join #nokia and bash Elop there | 10:56 |
| Khertan | niala1: WebOS | 10:56 |
| niala1 | Khertan: webos = cloud ? | 10:57 |
| av500 | niala1: since android 2.3 you can write apps in pure C++ | 10:57 |
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| niala1 | pfff one year of work for nothing, | 10:57 |
| Khertan | niala1: or native apps | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | so | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | is meego dead yet? | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | what about intel anyway? | 10:58 |
| niala1 | and now meego is only like another distro | 10:58 |
| Mece_ | perhaps an intel phone. ..? | 10:58 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter: seems a device is still planned for 2011. | 10:58 |
| lbt | are there any intel press releases? | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: by intel, right? | 10:59 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter: still a sidelined product | 10:59 |
| lcuk2 | niala1, it had one nice thing though :) liqbase has a little carryable wall now :) | 10:59 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter: oh ? by Intel ? | 10:59 |
| Mece_ | Khertan, lankku maybe. tablet afaik. | 10:59 |
| toadpole | ( Khertan ): keyword being 'device', not 'phone' | 10:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: I don't know | 10:59 |
| niala1 | Mece_: pray, but atom kill battery | 10:59 |
| Khertan | toadpole: ouch | 10:59 |
| Glavata | Isn't the N9 still going to run MeeGo? | 10:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Glavata: it's going to run windows 95 | 10:59 |
| Shapeshifter | plus | 10:59 |
| toadpole | no more n9 | 10:59 |
| Shapeshifter | toadpole: wat | 11:00 |
| Glavata | Shapeshifter ooh perfect! Can't wait! :| | 11:00 |
| toadpole | it's been cancelled | 11:00 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 11:00 |
| Shapeshifter | oh dear | 11:00 |
| Mece_ | Glavata, well afaik there are 2 meego devices. tablet laatta and N9-01 "Lankku" | 11:00 |
| Glavata | where did you see that N9 is canceled? | 11:00 |
| Mece_ | one of them will be released, maybe. | 11:00 |
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| Glavata | yeah thought so | 11:00 |
| lbt | :D ,,,,,, http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4692/nokiaphone.jpg | 11:00 |
| toadpole | hang on, i'll look for the link | 11:00 |
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| Glavata | Shapeshifter though I don't know why they would go with Win95 when you got Win ME :D | 11:01 |
| Shapeshifter | Glavata: oh right, since ME is much more recent. It's top notch, or so they claimed | 11:01 |
| Mece_ | galvata, N9 is many devices. rumor is n9-00 (the leaked one) got canceled | 11:01 |
| dotblank | lbt, :) | 11:01 |
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| dotblank | How did they think this move was a good one | 11:02 |
| Mece_ | now since they will only release one meego device, I'm guessing the tablet. not sure though. | 11:02 |
| dotblank | like.. this is such a dumb idea | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | dotblank: i'm hoping elop is doing a dick move to kill WP7 instead | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:02 |
| toadpole | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_meego_device_n9_dropped_before_its_even_official-news-2307.php is one, but i did read a confirmation somewhere, i'm looking for it | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just dreaming | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | toadpole: how can you cancel a device that wasn't announced? protos are usually dropped :) | 11:03 |
| slaine_ | Not as bad as it could have been. Looks like a "we need a smartphone out there now" move | 11:03 |
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| dotblank | Why didn't they keep full steam with maemo | 11:03 |
| dotblank | cause maemo is fine but could use some refinements | 11:04 |
| niala1 | can we resurrect maemo? | 11:04 |
| av500 | svn co ... | 11:04 |
| slaine_ | maemo is meego | 11:04 |
| dotblank | yea but its all reworked | 11:04 |
| niala1 | slaine say that to elop | 11:04 |
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| lbt | hey bergie | 11:05 |
| bergie | hey | 11:05 |
| lcuk2 | \o bergie | 11:06 |
| karli | bergie: hey | 11:06 |
| bergie | the Helsinki MeeGo meetup next week is bound to be interesting | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: MeeGo Anonymous? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:07 |
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| bergie | Stskeeps: yes, something of that sort ;-) | 11:07 |
| karli | bergie: so much for our buildservice project, right? :-) | 11:07 |
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| bergie | karli: depends on what happens to the MeeGo community | 11:07 |
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| karli | bergie: true. but it doesn´t look good. at least not the Nokia side | 11:08 |
| rmt | Hail our new microsoft overlords! *sob* | 11:08 |
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| bergie | karli: did you read http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers?sf1066337=1 | 11:09 |
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| karli | bergie: sure. perhaps I read different thing between the lines than you :-) | 11:10 |
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| Glavata | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-tells-investors-that-2011-and-2012-will-be-transition-yea/ | 11:10 |
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| ShadowJK | That forum.nokia letter to developers just makes my angry, in a "Why can't you write non-marketingspeak non-bureaucrateese" kind of way :-) | 11:11 |
| * slaine_ goes to install win7 on his lenovo | 11:12 | |
| hhurtta | because marketspeaking and bureaucrateese is the way Nokia rolls... | 11:12 |
| Khertan | I like the please share tweet | 11:13 |
| Khertan | ... i ll not ... | 11:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:13 |
| * arfoll is thinking HTC will probably take on meego | 11:13 | |
| niala1 | slaine_: win7 on lenovo..... saad | 11:13 |
| niala1 | sad day | 11:13 |
| rmt | Nokia recently told their developers they had to target QT .. people learning it left right and center.. and now they'll be told to target wp.. sigh.. | 11:14 |
| RST38h | rmt: No, no | 11:14 |
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| slaine_ | So by the looks of it, the nokia prototype running meego didn't pass final muster and there was a "strategic" decision to get something out there on a current platform | 11:14 |
| Khertan | rmt: and they claim : "Supporting our developers" | 11:14 |
| * slaine_ shakes head | 11:15 | |
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| RST38h | rmt: The people are bing told to disband, go their own ways, nothing ot see here | 11:15 |
| slaine_ | niala1: I'm kidding about the win7 | 11:15 |
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| thresh | btw | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Which is a really cute way to address your development community | 11:15 |
| pinchartl | rmt: I don't think they'll be told to learn wp7. wp7 comes as a complete package with little development required. development will be done at MS, and nokia will just need to do a bit of adaptation. it means most developers won't be needed anymore | 11:15 |
| arfoll | "Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year" | 11:15 |
| thresh | is there any chance I could flash my n900 with Windows Phone7? | 11:15 |
| thresh | :) | 11:15 |
| pinchartl | thresh: sure. the result is called a brick, but it will still be better than an official wp7 phone :-) | 11:16 |
| rmt | pinchartl, Ovi services will have to be ported, unless they decide that QT on wp7 is the way to go. | 11:16 |
| arfoll | isn't it possible that meego becomes a software platform for just one high end phone ala n900? | 11:16 |
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| _berto_ | http://is.gd/Fx6c3M | 11:16 |
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| pinchartl | rmt: why bother with ovi services ? they can just adopt MS service platform | 11:17 |
| rmt | I wonder how long it takes to come out with the first marketable wp7 phone.. | 11:17 |
| rmt | pinchartl, ms is adopting Ovi Maps, at least. | 11:18 |
| pinchartl | as far as I'm concerned, wp7 isn't marketable, so I would say forever :-) | 11:18 |
| pinchartl | MS will take a few interesting bits of Ovi, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest was dropped | 11:18 |
| pinchartl | but I don't care much to be honest | 11:18 |
| Mece_ | rmt, i think they have some protos. maybe we'll see in 40 minutes | 11:18 |
| wazd | well, that's pretty insane step | 11:18 |
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| wazd | but I see some sense in it | 11:18 |
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| rmt | pinchartl, So Berlin jobs are mostly safe.. | 11:18 |
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| rmt | Mece_, presentation still going on? | 11:18 |
| pinchartl | rmt: unless the jobs move to MS | 11:19 |
| RST38h | Ovi is pretty much condemned | 11:19 |
| wazd | rst38h: o/ | 11:19 |
| heffer | i'm i afraid i will never want to buy a nokia phone again :( | 11:19 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 11:19 |
| rmt | RST38h, Could be.. would've been condemned a lot faster had they said "Google" instead of MS. ;-) | 11:19 |
| RST38h | That letter directly says that Nokia will be using MS services, so Ovi is kaboom, except for Ovi Maps | 11:19 |
| wazd | rst38h: what do you think bout these diabolic news? :) | 11:20 |
| RST38h | rmt: Does not matter who condemns you really | 11:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think Android or webOS | 11:20 |
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| rmt | RST38h, I'm most concerned with Ovi maps.. ;-) | 11:20 |
| lupine_85 | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/11/nokia-microsoft-sign-strategic-tieup | 11:20 |
| lupine_85 | Ovi maps is poor. | 11:21 |
| * lupine_85 uses mappero :) | 11:21 | |
| wazd | web os is pretty much nonsense :) | 11:21 |
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| lupine_85 | so, is meego going to have /any/ phones at all? | 11:21 |
| niala1 | webos is cloud ? | 11:21 |
| rmt | RST38h, And for the time being, so long as the backend remains free of windows, I'm happy. ;-) | 11:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: It is not. It has got native devkit. It is Lunux, with SDL | 11:21 |
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| wazd | rst38h: oh, they've released ndk? | 11:22 |
| rmt | lupine_85, Ovi Maps is improving, but slower than we'd like.. ;-) | 11:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: For a while, how do all these webos games work, do you think? | 11:22 |
| wazd | rst38h: I'm in Prague right now, missing news | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: come by warsaw for a drink! | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:22 |
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| wazd | rst38h: good point :) | 11:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: In short summary, "clusterfuck" | 11:23 |
| lupine_85 | rmt, I wouldn't know - I've not used it for a long time now | 11:23 |
| lupine_85 | mappero even kept me from getting hopelessly lost in morocco :) | 11:23 |
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| lupine_85 | ovi had no chance | 11:23 |
| wazd | stskeeps: wait a sec, I'll check bus schedule :) | 11:23 |
| * niala1 smoke weed and cry about nokia | 11:23 | |
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| niala1 | @nat/nokia/xxxxxxxx bybye have a nice day | 11:25 |
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| HyperDUDe | :( | 11:26 |
| * niala1 need to megaupload a windows | 11:27 | |
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| niala1 | and now i become a thief!! | 11:27 |
| pexi | http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/04/nokia-employs-as-many-engineers-for-symbian-and-meego-as-apple-does-for-all-its-product-lines/ | 11:28 |
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| sivaN900 | any new news ? | 11:29 |
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| niala1 | sivaN900: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers?sf1066337=1 | 11:30 |
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| * sivaN900 shivers to open | 11:30 | |
| daniel_ | Does anyone have a good Project Idead for MeeGo so I can work on for my graduation Project? | 11:31 |
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| zma | port wine :p | 11:32 |
| sivaN900 | heh | 11:32 |
| sivaN900 | tomboy | 11:32 |
| jonni | time to order .net coding books :) | 11:32 |
| niala1 | jonni: :( | 11:32 |
| pinchartl | jonni: the only reason to order .net conding books is to burn them :-) | 11:32 |
| daniel_ | I prefer to be related to ImageProcessing | 11:33 |
| HyperDUDe | lol | 11:33 |
| HyperDUDe | develop for WP7 :-S | 11:33 |
| pinchartl | daniel_: implement 3A algorithms (auto-exposure, auto white balance and auto-focus) for the N900 camera on MeeGo | 11:33 |
| daniel_ | Nice Idea, I will take a note about this now | 11:34 |
| arfoll | daniel_, make xbmc use graphicsmagick instead of cximage | 11:34 |
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| wazd | stskeeps: I'm affraid 9h bbus trip is too much :) | 11:35 |
| sivaN900 | so why is meego not mentioned in the developer letter ??? | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: fair enough | 11:35 |
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| pinchartl | daniel_: it's not an easy project, but it would be very interesting for the embedded Linux community | 11:35 |
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| wazd | stskeeps: sorry :) | 11:35 |
| niala1 | sivaN900: read qt ecosystem | 11:35 |
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| wazd | so, on WP7, I think nokia just needs something to sell before meego arrival | 11:36 |
| daniel_ | what is WP7? | 11:36 |
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| heffer | i, too, believe it's not all that bad | 11:36 |
| wazd | meego is a huge step, enormous step | 11:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | windows phone 7 daniel_ | 11:37 |
| arfoll | wazd, meego isn't a huge step if you've done maemo | 11:37 |
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| daniel_ | Statistics show that WindowsPhone7 isn't doing that well | 11:38 |
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| wazd | arfoll: maemo is not consumer ready os, let's face it | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | daniel_: you haven't been reading engadget this morning | 11:38 |
| Glavata | daniel_ of course, the OS isn't complete yet, they just added copy/paste jeez | 11:38 |
| wazd | arfoll: it's powerful and really cool | 11:38 |
| daniel_ | pinchart1: Do u know some requirements for the camera calibration? | 11:39 |
| wazd | arfoll: but not quite consumer friendly | 11:39 |
| daniel_ | Can I use openCV for that reason? | 11:39 |
| ha55an | WP7 is a buggy mess. was released way before being stable or feature complete | 11:39 |
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| arfoll | wazd, i don't know - seems about as user friendly as android 1.x | 11:40 |
| aholler | nokia just done suicide, there is nothing left what a chinese can't do too. | 11:40 |
| HyperDUDe | yeah | 11:40 |
| sivaN900 | aholler++ | 11:40 |
| niala1 | Nokia has imagined that the gpl developer would do Meego in 6 months and reap the benefits | 11:40 |
| HyperDUDe | Meego + Qt was the way the go :( | 11:40 |
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| mece | Now where's qgil? | 11:41 |
| HyperDUDe | I just dont understand why did they make MP7 their primary platform :( | 11:41 |
| HyperDUDe | could have done an experiment with couple of devices | 11:41 |
| wazd | aholler: nokia - best hardware on the market | 11:41 |
| niala1 | HyperDUDe: nobody here understand | 11:41 |
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| HyperDUDe | +1 | 11:41 |
| mikhas | aholler, +1 | 11:41 |
| wazd | aholler: hands down | 11:41 |
| wazd | aholler: neither chinese nor brand can compete with them | 11:42 |
| chouchoune | `me, I just don't understand how Stephen Elop could sell Nokia's future sio easyly | 11:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Not any more. Lots of cases when new nokia phones dies on the second or third day | 11:42 |
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| sivaN900 | HyperDUDe: neither do i i guess there will just be one more meego device ? | 11:42 |
| chouchoune | Qt adoption in WP7 should a been a prerequise !!!! | 11:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: also breaking connectors, malfunctioning LCDs, broken RF modules | 11:42 |
| HyperDUDe | yeah | 11:42 |
| niala1 | a few month ago amd annonce her interrest in meego and now nokia .... incredible | 11:42 |
| VladNistor | This makes me sad: "Though our plans for MeeGo have been adapted in light of our planned partnership with Microsoft, that device will be compatible with applications developed within the Qt framework and so give Qt developers a further device to target. " | 11:42 |
| kavacha1 | who says Elop ever left MS, maybe that was part of his coming to Nokia in the first place | 11:42 |
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| kavacha1 | I dont mean just as a trojan horse | 11:43 |
| HyperDUDe | ya | 11:43 |
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| kavacha1 | maybe the board invited him for just this reason | 11:43 |
| bzhb | from MS point of view it is perfect : they will finally be a big player in smartphone, and they almost killed the most open platform and they slow down linux progress through Qt | 11:43 |
| kavacha1 | think of it he was an unknown from some business unit in MS | 11:43 |
| HyperDUDe | it's a win-win situation for MS :@ | 11:43 |
| kavacha1 | lol HylerDuDe | 11:44 |
| chouchoune | is there any chance to port Qt to WP7 as a community project like for Android or iPhone ? | 11:44 |
| niala1 | and next year elop announce his departure .... | 11:44 |
| HyperDUDe | otherwise who would use threir shitty os :S | 11:44 |
| bzhb | no chance fr Qt on WP7 | 11:44 |
| bzhb | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/ | 11:44 |
| kavacha1 | no give him 2 years to anounce the sale of the smartphone business to MS | 11:44 |
| hena | when you hire a microsoft executive, that's what you get | 11:45 |
| kavacha1 | now that Nokia is broken in to, the stuff ms wants | 11:45 |
| kavacha1 | and the rest | 11:45 |
| kavacha1 | *two | 11:45 |
| niala1 | now nokia depends of other | 11:45 |
| korgoth | erm... | 11:46 |
| korgoth | so nokia decided to get windows and not android, eh? | 11:47 |
| sivaN900 | poor qt | 11:47 |
| wazd | nokia was not the only dev of symbian for like 10 years btw | 11:47 |
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| wazd | and done pretty well | 11:48 |
| niala1 | korgoth: yes the worth his appened | 11:48 |
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| wazd | partnership with MS is much better than android | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Not really | 11:49 |
| niala1 | 1) win7phone 2) symbian and far far away meego | 11:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: Android phones sell, WP7 phones do not | 11:49 |
| hena | android with might have been something | 11:49 |
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| hena | with qt | 11:49 |
| jdthoodU | Brilliant deal between Microsoft and Nokia. Microsoft gets worldwide platforms for its new OS. Nokia gets a strong partner in the U.S. market, where it lacks presence. | 11:49 |
| korgoth | yeah | 11:50 |
| HyperDUDe | o.O | 11:50 |
| korgoth | and the only ones that are fucked up are we - the nokia fans | 11:50 |
| korgoth | ;D | 11:50 |
| HyperDUDe | yeah | 11:50 |
| korgoth | this sucks | 11:50 |
| wazd | rst38h: well, first android phones were pos | 11:50 |
| wazd | rst38h: and didn't sell at all | 11:50 |
| hena | google is not a strong partner? | 11:50 |
| pinchartl | ah, friday trolls. I was waiting for them :-) | 11:50 |
| sivaN900 | korgoth++++ | 11:51 |
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| sivaN900 | i know this is harsh but it feels like a slam in the face | 11:51 |
| lbt | BBC business analysis : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2011/02/is_the_nokiamicrosoft_horse_a.html | 11:51 |
| wazd | lets be serious, company needs something to sell | 11:51 |
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| korgoth | and we need something to use | 11:52 |
| wazd | meego obviously is not ready yet | 11:52 |
| jdthoodU | So which horse do you bet on. Apple? Google's Android on Chinese hardware? Or Microsoft's OS on Nokia hardware? | 11:52 |
| korgoth | i dont want to move to HTC now that ive been using nokia for 15 years | 11:52 |
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| lbt | "I am trying to remember a successful precedent of collaboration on this scale - involving businesses from different continents and with pretty different products and services - that worked" | 11:52 |
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| wazd | symbian is good, but not for us market | 11:52 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: is wp7 ready ? has windiws ever been ready ? | 11:52 |
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| korgoth | symbian is way behind already wazd | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | This looks like a bit of a step back to symbian actually :P | 11:52 |
| korgoth | :-/ | 11:52 |
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| korgoth | of course i havnt used the ^3 but still i think its behind android | 11:53 |
| HyperDUDe | ya | 11:53 |
| wazd | korgoth: anyway | 11:53 |
| jdthoodU | Apple's strength is good design and engineering. Google's strength is openness. Microsoft's strength is its Windows/Office cash flow. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i still maintain he should have jumped into the waters and choose Mer ;p | 11:53 |
| ShadowJK | I remember having an argument with some nokia person 5 years ago, wondering why I'd have to pay $2000 to make a tiny little app for symbian.. the guy said it doesn't matter since only big companies makes apps and $2K is trivially small for them.. Guess why there were no apps :P | 11:53 |
| wazd | sivaN900: at least you can buy wp7 phone | 11:53 |
| niala1 | whats says nasdaq about nokia now? | 11:53 |
| HyperDUDe | symbian is way better then WP7, it had a pathetic sdk (carbide++) but with Qt it was going in the right direction, only thing it needed was a great UI which nokia failed to deliver | 11:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: compare to wp7 apps, if any | 11:54 |
| wazd | stskeeps: yeah, I'm still shocked he didn't make it | 11:54 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: i can buy android as well | 11:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: then rethink :) | 11:54 |
| korgoth | haha Stskeeps good one :_D i still have mer 'running' on myu n810 :D | 11:54 |
| jbos | well good thing it might be that nokia was not realy driving meego | 11:55 |
| wazd | sivaN900: android is google's ad platform | 11:55 |
| jbos | so there is still intel doing great work | 11:55 |
| korgoth | jbos: yeah but who cares if it doesnt run on nokia hardware :) | 11:55 |
| av500 | jbos: what work is that? | 11:56 |
| wazd | sivan900: and zillions of manufacturers who are crafting android hardware | 11:56 |
| Wellark^ | http://kuvaton.com/browse/17005/bye_nokia.jpg | 11:56 |
| wazd | rst38h: compare what? | 11:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Android and WP7 apps | 11:56 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: but isnt wp7 a windows ? | 11:57 |
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| wazd | rst38h: there will be more | 11:57 |
| jbos | who say its not running on nokia hardware.... well but true. At least there will be a MeeGo Device from nokia this year | 11:57 |
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| wazd | sivan900: so? | 11:57 |
| korgoth | jbos: not confirmed | 11:57 |
| jbos | as far as i understand | 11:57 |
| korgoth | it was supposed to be out last year | 11:57 |
| wazd | sivan900: you mean windows = bad? | 11:57 |
| jbos | :) korgoth thats true again :D | 11:57 |
| jbos | i'm still to optimitic | 11:57 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: i mean instabiliy voodo trpubleshooting etc | 11:58 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: win 7 is not bad | 11:58 |
| wazd | sivan900: try use something beyond win98 :P | 11:58 |
| korgoth | lol wazd :D:D:D | 11:58 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: i do | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | and don't forget the `windows' key. | 11:58 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: win7 and still some archiver download site made me reinstall | 11:59 |
| sivaN900 | wazd: bitzipper or something alike | 11:59 |
| jbos | yea windows key for nokia hardware keyboard | 11:59 |
| psycho_oreos | Very much like `in your face' type of attitude compared to Apple's iphone logo which is placed on the backside of the device and does not actually function as a button | 11:59 |
| wazd | sivan900: I've crashed X in Suse on my HP laptop in like 40 seconds | 12:00 |
| mece | are you getting sound from the live feed? | 12:00 |
| wazd | sivan900: completely | 12:00 |
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| sivaN900 | wazd: use ubuntu ?-) or debian | 12:00 |
| wazd | sivan900: is linux unstable? :) | 12:00 |
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| ha55an | anybody has the link to the live stream? | 12:01 |
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| _berto_ | the webcast should be starting now, nokia.com/press | 12:01 |
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| HyperDUDe | arch linux ftw! :P | 12:01 |
| mece | it is.but I don't hear any sound... | 12:01 |
| wazd | I just want to wait for hardware announcements | 12:01 |
| HyperDUDe | live stream? | 12:01 |
| _berto_ | I don't hear any sound either | 12:01 |
| wazd | and see what they can get | 12:01 |
| HyperDUDe | link plz | 12:01 |
| lbt | no sound here | 12:01 |
| _berto_ | HyperDUDe: nokia.com/press | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | Download the slides ;) | 12:02 |
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| Milhouse | no audio here | 12:03 |
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| _berto_ | no, there's no audio | 12:03 |
| arfoll | looks good they arent streaming on silverlight | 12:03 |
| * lbt waits for someone who types fast to transcribe | 12:03 | |
| _berto_ | audio not implemented yet in WP7 | 12:03 |
| Frye | haha | 12:03 |
| michele | :) | 12:03 |
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| sivaN900 | my brother pulling his hair woorking on win server through citrix from home to uni | 12:03 |
| sivaN900 | the clieht is like a trojan horse on the win7 | 12:04 |
| _berto_ | there's audio now | 12:04 |
| Milhouse | audio now... | 12:04 |
| arfoll | oh dear music started | 12:04 |
| sivaN900 | oh he had to reboot :-) | 12:04 |
| Milhouse | kinda wish it hadn't | 12:05 |
| mece | ok I have sound now | 12:05 |
| Milhouse | cheesy | 12:05 |
| arfoll | http://www-waa-akam.thomson-webcast.net/uk/dispatching/?event_id=2dd7139793f7dc9f43109186244f14dc&portal_id=369401748e8249f142a700d8098a3473&sf1066342=1 | 12:05 |
| mece | lbt, transcribe the keynote? | 12:05 |
| sivaN900 | a video of the announcement ? | 12:05 |
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| Milhouse | is judas going to be speaking? | 12:05 |
| * arfoll just pasted in the wrong window | 12:05 | |
| mece | sivaN900, video has started. nobody talking yet | 12:05 |
| mece | I wonder if anyone has rotten fruit | 12:06 |
| Milhouse | yep, here he is | 12:06 |
| mece | now' | 12:06 |
| mece | now would be the time to throw fruit | 12:06 |
| mece | damn | 12:06 |
| mece | lag | 12:06 |
| sivaN900 | mece: the developer letter says meego died long live symbian and wp7 | 12:06 |
| DawnFoster | ack. I woke up at 2am and the webcast is getting hammered and I can't get in :( | 12:07 |
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| niala1 | my meego is too nice to pollute with this conference | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: I guess a lot of people want to see it :) | 12:07 |
| mece | wait, churchill didn't say "we give up and commit suicide" | 12:07 |
| bergie | I would've chosen a different Churchill quote | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: things aren't good, i'd say, so we're in for turbulent times.. | 12:08 |
| Milhouse | eco-systems.... wtf eco-systems does wp7 have??? this is bs | 12:08 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, where's dawn? | 12:08 |
| niala1 | X-Fade: DawnFoster: I guess a lot of people want to see it <---- like vultures | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | just spoke? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:08 |
| DawnFoster | I"m here | 12:08 |
| X-Fade | niala1: No, a path has been set for them. Nothing they can do about it. | 12:09 |
| moofree | microsoft plants the seeds, nokia craps on them, and then they grow into lush crops, sounds like a great eco system | 12:09 |
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| Milhouse | nokia just an odm now | 12:09 |
| moofree | except for the whole eating crap thing | 12:09 |
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| fabiomssilva | consumers want bing ????????? | 12:09 |
| lbt | "bing" | 12:09 |
| sivaN900 | yay office ! | 12:09 |
| mece | WTF???? | 12:09 |
| Milhouse | microsoft wins big here, nokia ... not so much, big loss. | 12:09 |
| mece | idiots | 12:09 |
| lupine_85 | so we now have the odd situation where Intel is in charge of an ARM port of a Linux operating system | 12:09 |
| bzhb | bergie:I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. | 12:09 |
| mece | Milhouse, yep. elop trojan | 12:09 |
| lupine_85 | what could possibly go wrong? | 12:09 |
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| ha55an | is Elop aa Microsoft Trojan horse? | 12:09 |
| mece | so it seems | 12:10 |
| lbt | is this a Nokia statement? Or an MS statement? | 12:10 |
| * niala1 search the hearse | 12:10 | |
| DawnFoster | ah, finally got into the webcast | 12:10 |
| sivaN900 | developer developer developer ! | 12:10 |
| mece | DawnFoster \o | 12:10 |
| mece | I mean \o/ | 12:10 |
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| bzhb | oohhh yes it is good for ms | 12:11 |
| _berto_ | BINGO !!! | 12:11 |
| mece | "We also think this is good for microsoft" LOOOL | 12:11 |
| niala1 | lupine_85: so we now have the odd situation ..... <----- +1 | 12:11 |
| ha55an | and by the way, it's good for Microsoft | 12:11 |
| ha55an | Elop is now bashing QT | 12:11 |
| sivaN900 | do we still have meego conf ? | 12:11 |
| bzhb | it's good for devs excepts those who invest in qt.... | 12:11 |
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| HyperDUDe | lol | 12:11 |
| sivaN900 | mece: hahahah | 12:12 |
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| av500 | sivaN900: yes, and there will be free WP7 phones | 12:12 |
| mece | I'm getting furious here. | 12:12 |
| mece | ooh. | 12:12 |
| lupine_85 | hell, I almost considered applying for a job in Nokia's linuxy bits | 12:12 |
| moofree | trojan man | 12:12 |
| mece | broader strategy | 12:12 |
| lupine_85 | good job I didn't, really | 12:12 |
| mece | FUUUUCK | 12:12 |
| mece | sorry | 12:12 |
| lbt | What happens to MeeGo? It looks like its on the back burner now, barely hanging in there. ‘MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year‘. | 12:12 |
| mece | meant to tweet that | 12:12 |
| foolano | OMG | 12:12 |
| mece | fracking balmer | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | There he is.. | 12:13 |
| bzhb | yes thanks steven | 12:13 |
| lbt | look no chairs on the stage! | 12:13 |
| mece | .. "and it failed miserably" | 12:13 |
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| michele | when he start to jump around? | 12:13 |
| range | Probably WP7 is step 8 out of 12 | 12:13 |
| foolano | hotmail! | 12:13 |
| foolano | :D | 12:13 |
| mece | range, lol | 12:13 |
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| ha55an | Balmer on now, LOL | 12:13 |
| sivaN900 | i am going to vomit | 12:13 |
| HyperDUDe | lol | 12:13 |
| HyperDUDe | hotmail :S | 12:14 |
| mece | omg I feel sick | 12:14 |
| sivaN900 | balmer under nokia logo! | 12:14 |
| sivaN900 | magically! | 12:14 |
| letic | mece: same here :( | 12:14 |
| psycho_oreos | developer! developer! developer! developer! developer! | 12:14 |
| sivaN900 | hotmail ! | 12:14 |
| moofree | is ballmer dancing around stage yet? | 12:14 |
| * psycho_oreos rolls eyes | 12:14 | |
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| ha55an | the (few) people who have used WP have been delighted | 12:14 |
| _berto_ | sivaN900: http://oi55.tinypic.com/2u4ixrs.jpg | 12:14 |
| mece | idiot idiot idiot | 12:14 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: how r u given this black day for open source ? | 12:15 |
| espen77 | Balmer: "you did well son, go fetch me another company!" | 12:15 |
| _berto_ | http://www.bullshitbingo.net/cards/bullshit/ | 12:15 |
| lbt | Nokia has a primary focus on WP hardware | 12:15 |
| niala1 | putain de bordel de merde | 12:15 |
| DawnFoster | sivaN900: I've had better days and mine just started (here at 2am) | 12:15 |
| mece | people who don't like profanities should stay away from my twitter feed today. (Then again why would you be there in the first place if that was the case) | 12:15 |
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| * pinchartl should have slept late | 12:15 | |
| DawnFoster | I can say that Intel isn't slowing down on MeeGo. | 12:16 |
| lupine_85 | intel don't make mobiles ;) | 12:16 |
| sivaN900 | lbt: it is all over :-/ | 12:16 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: same here maybe intel can save the day ? | 12:16 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: yay | 12:16 |
| mece | he said "engineers" like it had quotation marks around it. | 12:16 |
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| arfoll | image technologies? | 12:16 |
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| lupine_85 | which is the interesting form factor | 12:16 |
| mece | DawnFoster, yay Intel! | 12:16 |
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| moofree | he meant engineering-associated drones | 12:17 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: i'll head to the career site asap | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: my worry is how Qt fits in to all this, as that can tip things extremely :/ | 12:17 |
| mece | step 6 of 14 | 12:17 |
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| lcuk2 | DawnFoster :) | 12:17 |
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| mece | ok meego is an os, but Qt is much bigger... | 12:17 |
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| Milhouse | So Alberto Torres, Nokia head of MeeGo, is resigning? | 12:18 |
| sivaN900 | Stskeeps: it seems it does not :-/ | 12:18 |
| foolano | http://imgur.com/VmlXk | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: resigned | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | wow, the stock is taking a beating | 12:18 |
| ha55an | Man, Ballmer is shouting | 12:18 |
| Milhouse | Stskeeps: thanks for the correction. :( | 12:18 |
| karli | live coverage from Elops/Nokia investors presentation : http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/live-from-nokias-capital-markets-day/ | 12:18 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, not microsofts I bet. | 12:18 |
| sivaN900 | Stskeeps: maybe the stock will fall so hard elop will be fired | 12:18 |
| Milhouse | Stskeeps: When it gets low enough, maybe MS can launch a takeover (I mean buy the company, officially). | 12:19 |
| HyperDUDe | IE9 innovation? :-s | 12:19 |
| bzhb | darthvader and his son | 12:19 |
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| mece | questions. BURN THEM!!! | 12:19 |
| Milhouse | And I used to like Canadians... :) | 12:19 |
| mece | (metaphorically) | 12:19 |
| mece | Milhouse, like celine dion! | 12:19 |
| Milhouse | mece: ah, maybe not all Canadians :) | 12:20 |
| mece | hehehe | 12:20 |
| sivaN900 | i am switching between the webcast and irc on my amazing N900 | 12:20 |
| mece | s40 is still there.. | 12:20 |
| Milhouse | Nokia must have one of the most fcked up strategies going... | 12:20 |
| mece | sivaN900: epic | 12:20 |
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| Milhouse | Symbian/MeeGo with Qt... easy. Now it's just a joke. | 12:21 |
| av500 | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/nokia-cmd0053.jpg | 12:21 |
| sivaN900 | mece: blackest day for open source ever | 12:21 |
| mece | sivaN900, may I qote you on that? | 12:21 |
| pexi | how? | 12:21 |
| mece | sivaN900, and yes. | 12:21 |
| sivaN900 | mece: for the country thet invented linux | 12:22 |
| pexi | meego is still going to bmw and others? | 12:22 |
| sivaN900 | mece: yes | 12:22 |
| av500 | until they take QNX | 12:22 |
| niala1 | intel can't make phone? | 12:22 |
| Milhouse | MeeGo just had a leg chopped off... but will no doubt soldier on. | 12:22 |
| sivaN900 | notic the miss fit to eu questions and uk | 12:22 |
| pexi | car industry is still slow enough for meego :) | 12:22 |
| av500 | pexi: I doubt that will save meego | 12:23 |
| mece | ask about MEEGO dammit! | 12:23 |
| av500 | pexi: with nobody "driving" meego actively | 12:23 |
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| lbt | why? who cares? | 12:23 |
| lbt | just abandonded internal research/strategy | 12:23 |
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| mece | Kypeli on twitter: This sounds exactly what Nokia said last year with Intel. | 12:23 |
| sivaN900 | so the intel nokia partnership ends ? | 12:24 |
| lbt | What's it delivered sivaN900? | 12:24 |
| mece | i have no idea.. | 12:24 |
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| * Jaffa wonders about TSG membership... | 12:24 | |
| Jaffa | When's the next TSG meeting? | 12:25 |
| mece | what's tsg? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: going to run? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| lbt | wasn't 2 days ago Jaffa | 12:25 |
| lbt | "nothing to discuss" | 12:25 |
| Milhouse | Here we go... | 12:25 |
| Frye | Meego mentioned! | 12:25 |
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| mece | yess good question | 12:25 |
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| niala1 | Frye: how? | 12:25 |
| franz_ | finally someone asks about meego | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | lbt: probably not true anymore | 12:25 |
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| moofree | more like FINALLY | 12:25 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: =-) | 12:25 |
| mece | stfu about symbian! | 12:26 |
| franz_ | ok ok symbian who cares | 12:26 |
| Milhouse | "Transition to Windows Phone"... sobs... | 12:26 |
| mece | ok... | 12:26 |
| mece | meego.. | 12:26 |
| bergie | Transition from Symbian to Windows Phone | 12:26 |
| moofree | "lol meego you still care about that?" | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | "Why lead, when we can be lead?" :-/ | 12:26 |
| bergie | "MeeGo is an opportunity to learn" | 12:26 |
| sivaN900 | so meego is dead this is it | 12:26 |
| mece | so only one meego device. | 12:26 |
| mece | yep | 12:27 |
| franz_ | meego will be another skunkworks project | 12:27 |
| mece | meego is dead. | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | R&D project. | 12:27 |
| Milhouse | so more "learning" with MeeGo... same with Maemo... then switch to "future platforms". MeeGo on Nokia is dead | 12:27 |
| franz_ | like the 770 | 12:27 |
| moofree | "meego was an opportunity to learn that we suck at software, so we're going to some other company that sucks at software" | 12:27 |
| foolano | preety much | 12:27 |
| Milhouse | Maemo... what a waste of 5.5 years | 12:27 |
| dagger | I cannot believe Elop killed nokia... | 12:27 |
| jnwi | Elop didn't kill Nokia, Elop saved Nokia | 12:27 |
| HyperDUDe | lol | 12:27 |
| * Jaffa wonders if the Nokia board had this in mind when choosing Elop and/or it was part of his pitch for the jon. | 12:28 | |
| dagger | lol | 12:28 |
| jnwi | No, I'm serious | 12:28 |
| Khertan | LOL | 12:28 |
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| franz_ | nope | 12:28 |
| dagger | so am I | 12:28 |
| mece | jnwi, how? | 12:28 |
| moofree | Elop saved nokia by killing it and reviving the corpse | 12:28 |
| lbt | Jaffa: it has to have been there | 12:28 |
| niala1 | don't care about nokia a want a open phone!!!!!! | 12:28 |
| moofree | it's fine so long as you don't want phones with Charisma scores | 12:28 |
| moofree | constitution scores | 12:28 |
| jnwi | What was the previous management thinking staying on a path that would ship one MeeGo phone in 2011 | 12:28 |
| mece | niala1, yes! THIS! | 12:28 |
| jnwi | ? | 12:28 |
| moofree | (screwed that d&d reference up sorry) | 12:28 |
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| niala1 | mece: thanks | 12:28 |
| Khertan | jnwi: better than none ... | 12:28 |
| jnwi | They're the ones who killed Nokia | 12:28 |
| Khertan | jnwi: apple make profit with only one phone | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Sucks to be a Nokian today, I suspect :-( | 12:29 |
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| jnwi | Khertan: Nokia won't | 12:29 |
| lbt | :) | 12:29 |
| mece | iltalehti lol | 12:29 |
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| akikhaw | pretty good english for a finn | 12:29 |
| mece | what happens to finland? heh | 12:29 |
| ha55an | what happens to Finland | 12:29 |
| dagger | jnwi: they will waste MONTHS in transition to WP7. That time could be used to push Qt and Meego development and really change the market. Right now they signed death warrant | 12:29 |
| mece | heh | 12:29 |
| jjo | Jaffa: at least it sucks to be a nokia subcontractor | 12:29 |
| pexi | maybe he is thinking it as business.. if it won't make it in five years, it won't make it ever :) | 12:29 |
| niala1 | fucking store all kind of store... ovi, iphone samsung or anything .... regressive world | 12:29 |
| mece | well that's nice to hear from my point of view | 12:29 |
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| mece | about finland | 12:29 |
| mece | I mean our whole economy is based on nokia | 12:30 |
| dm8tbr | language please | 12:30 |
| lbt | sadly it's a "follow the leader" strategy - not a leapfrog | 12:30 |
| jnwi | dagger: that may end up being the case, but they wouldn't have been in this situation if Nokia could have delivered in 2010 | 12:30 |
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| bzhb | "Nokia is a finnish company" or "Nokia is a finished company" ? | 12:30 |
| Milhouse | latter... :) | 12:30 |
| lbt | excessive outsourcing... nice | 12:30 |
| dagger | jnwi: of course. Nokia made many bad decisions. But this one was the worst one so far | 12:30 |
| ahf | bzhb: :P | 12:31 |
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| sivaN900 | bzhb: hehee | 12:31 |
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| pexi | dagger, why so? | 12:31 |
| mece | what a nightmare | 12:31 |
| niala1 | customers fault to, they buy iphone, now the result, compagny adapt to the market | 12:32 |
| bergie | jnwi: it sounds to me like it will be hard for Nokia to have proper margins being just a "yet another Windows phone manufacturer" | 12:32 |
| jnwi | dagger: So maybe I was exaggerating when I turned killed into saved, but you just can't blame Elop for this | 12:32 |
| Kypeli | Interesting how much Nokia has been recruiting MeeGo people just recent days. I guess that will change | 12:32 |
| jnwi | bergie: I agree | 12:32 |
| sivaN900 | he just said subcontracting is finished | 12:32 |
| dagger | pexi: their decision will boost M$ only. It was the worst possible solution for Nokia. Even going with google was better option | 12:32 |
| mece | the early user community. LOL all 4 of them | 12:32 |
| Kypeli | And I will not get those headhunter calls anymore :) | 12:32 |
| mece | Kypeli \o | 12:32 |
| Kypeli | o/ | 12:32 |
| mece | Kypeli, depressing | 12:32 |
| sivaN900 | Kypeli: yes tyey have been recruiting like hell | 12:32 |
| bergie | dagger: with Android they could've at least kept Ovi and Qt, and a transition path to MeeGo | 12:33 |
| RST38h | You can't argue that the burning platform story has been cute, in a US Christian sense | 12:33 |
| sivaN900 | Kypeli: same here :-/ | 12:33 |
| dagger | jnwi: I can only blame Elop for killing blow. Nokia was bleeding for long time | 12:33 |
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| pexi | ms is strong in live and trying to integrate the experience for phones, maybe they'll succeed.. like ngage did | 12:33 |
| RST38h | The guy put his trust into God and the God saved him | 12:33 |
| sivaN900 | RST38h: LOL | 12:33 |
| niala1 | bergie: +1 | 12:33 |
| RST38h | The problem, of course, who you consider to be your God | 12:33 |
| lbt | Interesting .... operators want MeeGo... | 12:34 |
| RST38h | And with Cthulhu seemingly ruling the world nowadays, you know what happens with the jumping guy... | 12:34 |
| niala1 | lbt: ? | 12:34 |
| Milhouse | this all about reducing r&d expense... | 12:34 |
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| Milhouse | giving nokia r&d costs and returns, can't really blame him for that. | 12:34 |
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| sivaN900 | can winphobe do irc and 3 web browser windows including streaming media on omap3 ? :-) | 12:34 |
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| lbt | niala1: question from financial times guy | 12:34 |
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| pexi | sivaN900, who cares if you can play live arcade games with your friends easily :) | 12:35 |
| sivaN900 | no company has made a browser like microb | 12:35 |
| pexi | nokia EA sports edition | 12:35 |
| pexi | i can see it | 12:36 |
| moofree | Halokia | 12:36 |
| Milhouse | "He's from all about symbian" <--- Ballmer to Elop... oh dear. | 12:36 |
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| lbt | hehe "I'm from All About Symbian" Elop: "Sorry, I can't see where you are" | 12:36 |
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| DawnFoster | poor rafe | 12:37 |
| niala1 | pexi: openess operating system that's important - for me, not stupid little game whos exist since last century | 12:37 |
| HyperDUDe | lol | 12:37 |
| mece | LOL It's that reviewer. rafe | 12:37 |
| mece | poor rafe indeed | 12:37 |
| sivaN900 | lbt: he did know where finland is as well | 12:37 |
| sivaN900 | did not | 12:37 |
| mece | someone should make a burn question. like "As we can tell by the stock reaction this is obviously a terrible descision for nokia. Why go this way?" | 12:38 |
| Milhouse | "Nokia engineers" really important to Ballmer... yeah right. surpless to requirements now. | 12:38 |
| mece | i would buy it | 12:38 |
| Milhouse | Good question... MeeGo burning money. | 12:38 |
| franz_ | "meego tablet or whatever" | 12:38 |
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| mece | hahaha | 12:38 |
| franz_ | he really doesn't care the least huh lol | 12:39 |
| mece | so terrible | 12:39 |
| sivaN900 | i suggest balmer fund psychological help for meego and nokia developers and fans | 12:39 |
| niala1 | next week i get my new phone, and now what must i choose.. | 12:39 |
| Milhouse | So MeeGo is just a hedge for Nokia. | 12:39 |
| sivaN900 | now all my iphone and android counterprts will laugh at my face | 12:39 |
| lbt | Milhouse: yeah | 12:39 |
| moofree | microsoft to fund euthanasia program for meego developers | 12:39 |
| jnwi | niala1: HP | 12:39 |
| bzhb | dead | 12:39 |
| sivaN900 | moofree: ? | 12:39 |
| Milhouse | niala1: WebOS is looking interesting, might have to be my next phone now. | 12:39 |
| moofree | cheaper than counseling :P | 12:39 |
| balor | Milhouse: snap | 12:40 |
| mece | haha burn!!!! | 12:40 |
| mece | great great question | 12:40 |
| franz_ | haha | 12:40 |
| mece | he's not denying | 12:40 |
| mece | fuck | 12:40 |
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| Kypeli | Stephen confirmed MeeGo is dead. | 12:40 |
| Milhouse | This strategy is a mess... someone in the audience just nailed it. | 12:40 |
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| Kypeli | Hmph | 12:40 |
| ShadowJK | And the maemo boss went to WebOS so maybe they're cooking up something nice | 12:40 |
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| zumbi | is there a public live stream? | 12:40 |
| sivaN900 | ShadowJK: he did ? r they hiring ? :-) | 12:40 |
| lbt | No. Pretty clear. "We're using MS tech" | 12:41 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 12:41 |
| Milhouse | Just enter any old rubbish in the name/email fields | 12:41 |
| Milhouse | at nokia.com/press | 12:41 |
| sivaN900 | meego is dead | 12:41 |
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| sivaN900 | dead as can be here he just said it | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | wtf have I walked ito | 12:41 |
| mece | sivaN900, jaaksi left when meego was announced | 12:41 |
| Kypeli | Wonder what Intel is thinking. | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | s/ito/into/ | 12:41 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: wtf have I walked into | 12:41 |
| mece | kypeli, yeah, indeed. | 12:41 |
| sivaN900 | mece: i guess he saw the future | 12:41 |
| mece | sivaN900, perhaps | 12:42 |
| DawnFoster | We're (Intel) still going full steam ahead on MeeGo | 12:42 |
| sivaN900 | CosmoHill: hell | 12:42 |
| Kypeli | Probaly Intel feels a bit but raped. | 12:42 |
| Kypeli | +t | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Dawn: Including Handset Edition? | 12:42 |
| niala1 | meego is not dead, he become a true slow project linux fundation | 12:42 |
| lcuk2 | DawnFoster, I showed my mum the MeeGo ideapad the other night :) | 12:42 |
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| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: at least intel remains sane | 12:42 |
| Milhouse | DawnFoster: Anyone likely to produce a MeeGo phone, other than Nokia? | 12:42 |
| mece | DawnFoster, are you (intel) making a phone with a keyboard? | 12:42 |
| chouchoune | Milhouse: Aava for developpers | 12:42 |
| Milhouse | chouchoune: I mean for retail customers | 12:43 |
| Aranel | I was away from Internet for a couple of days, what happened? Did Nokia drop MeeGo support or not? | 12:43 |
| chouchoune | at least I guess you can also call with their phones ;) | 12:43 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: please tell folks there we need a meego phone on intel hardware | 12:43 |
| ShadowJK | Someone should ask Ballmer "Considering Nokia's adhd-type attention span, aren't you afraid nokia will throw all the wp7 phones in a trashcan a year from now?" | 12:43 |
| mikhas | DawnFoster, you can now get rid of Qt ;-) | 12:43 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 12:43 |
| zumbi | Intel phones? | 12:43 |
| sivaN900 | Aranel: mostly yes | 12:43 |
| niala1 | hey CosmoHill nice to meet you on #meego :~ | 12:43 |
| DawnFoster | We still need time to digest the news and figure out the details. | 12:43 |
| mece | Aranel, pretty much. They said they will release a meego device for teh lulz | 12:43 |
| DawnFoster | but Intel is certainly making chips for phones and are talking to other manufacturers | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: where else would I meet you? | 12:43 |
| mikhas | well, someone betrayed you, that's the news | 12:43 |
| foolano | Aranel: pretty much | 12:43 |
| sivaN900 | Aranel: it is a microsoft company as fas as i deduce from the webcast | 12:43 |
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| mece | haha positive effect | 12:44 |
| mece | stfu ballmer | 12:44 |
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| sivaN900 | canada welcome ! | 12:44 |
| Aranel | mece: sivaN900: foolano :| does any other known company wants to takeover? | 12:44 |
| foolano | today is a sad day :( | 12:44 |
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| Milhouse | The only winner here is Microsoft... presumably all other hardware manufacturers will continue to support WP7, and benefit from the same gains that Nokia believes it will get | 12:45 |
| Aranel | btw when this thing happen? | 12:45 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: maybe meego is not dead, maybe he become a simple another distro, or another compagnie sell phone | 12:45 |
| DawnFoster | *thinks that I'm going to need a lot of tea today* | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think beer is the poison of choice for many | 12:45 |
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| Milhouse | Most analysis shows that the real money to be made from mobile hardware is with proprietary operating systems (ie. iOS, RIM, Symbian) | 12:45 |
| mece | Stskeeps, or vodka.. | 12:45 |
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| mece | dammit. twitter api overloaded hehe | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: isn't it 3am for you? | 12:46 |
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| DawnFoster | well, I just woke - seems a little early for alcohol, although that sounds way better than tea, probably won't help keep me awake :) | 12:46 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: anti panic pills more like it | 12:46 |
| Milhouse | Aranel: Not yet, it's not a done deal - maybe still hope the Nokia board will come to their senses but I doubt it.... needs a coup... a pusch | 12:46 |
| niala1 | Stskeeps: maybe elop think about meego to much beer and no work ;) | 12:46 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: Yep - I woke up at 2am to watch the webcast *dedication* | 12:46 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: is not a nightmare it's true!!! | 12:47 |
| DawnFoster | niala1: ha! | 12:47 |
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| CosmoHill | you might wanna write a note saying "it really happened, it wasn't a dream. sorry" for when you wake up | 12:47 |
| sivaN900 | is the cast still going ? | 12:47 |
| CosmoHill | damn, niala1 beat me to that joke | 12:47 |
| mece | no | 12:47 |
| mece | break until noon gmt | 12:47 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: :) | 12:47 |
| foolano | i still dont get it. I mean Elop said that they didnt pick android because they wouldn't be able to differentiate and that in the long term google would be the main winner. My question is, if this partnership is not exclusive what does it make different? i mean how is not microsft the one that will win in the long term? | 12:47 |
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| DawnFoster | thinking that today will be a busy one for this community manager | 12:48 |
| dagger | Nokia's shares down -9.929% since the announcement :) It has begun | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | oh.,.. | 12:48 |
| DawnFoster | any day that *starts* at 2am isn't off to a great start | 12:48 |
| jonwil | I still think Nokia could do BIG things with Android if they wanted to | 12:48 |
| mece | dagger, hmm. that's actually up | 12:48 |
| pexi | niala1, yes, to you, but thats not good business :) | 12:48 |
| mece | was down to -11 | 12:48 |
| av500 | foolano: to be android you need to sign contracts with google | 12:48 |
| moofree | they didn't choose android cause they wanted to be different? obviously they should have gone with Apple then. | 12:48 |
| zutesmog1 | ms needs maps and has money android had nothing to offer | 12:48 |
| av500 | and these might limit the extent of what you can do | 12:48 |
| moofree | Nokia iPhone | 12:48 |
| moofree | that'd still be better than windows phone | 12:49 |
| jonwil | you dont need to sign contracts to get Android | 12:49 |
| sivaN900 | meego was on its way just more polish and feature reduction and we would win | 12:49 |
| sivaN900 | too bad | 12:49 |
| jonwil | you only need it if you want google binaries like Marketplace | 12:49 |
| jonwil | or Gmail | 12:49 |
| jonwil | or Google Maps | 12:49 |
| jonwil | or whatever | 12:49 |
| av500 | jonwil: true | 12:49 |
| letic | jonwil: he said why : they won't be able to distinguished themselves from other android offering so they went with the plateform that nobody wanted at least they will be the only one using it | 12:49 |
| av500 | but that is what customer want | 12:49 |
| av500 | jonwil: and google has the trademark on "android" too | 12:49 |
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| niala1 | jonwil: you can choose 1) google life or 2) windows life !!! | 12:50 |
| foolano | as i see, this microsoft partnetship would make sense for the short term, but for the long term if they want to a have a chance they would need to create their own ecosystem and be "google" or "microsoft" | 12:50 |
| av500 | so, nokia cannot make non sanctioned android phones | 12:50 |
| moofree | "maybe it's popular for a reason?" "Nah people just like the little robot character" | 12:50 |
| Milhouse | this seems like such a cop-out | 12:50 |
| mece | woo someone brought an almost unused N900 to my work desk! | 12:50 |
| mece | :D | 12:50 |
| moofree | are they giving it to you now that it's useless? | 12:50 |
| sivaN900 | we invested so much effort | 12:50 |
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| mece | I'm gonna go talk to the embedded systems guys, and play with their wetab :) | 12:51 |
| niala1 | I'll get my old amiga !!! | 12:51 |
| foolano | av500: you also need to sign a partnership contract with microsoft... | 12:51 |
| Milhouse | i imagine t.m.o and what is left of the "maemo community" will rapidly fall apart, mostly in disgust. | 12:51 |
| moofree | http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=development/cross/qt-user.tar.gz ;) | 12:51 |
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| leinir | alright, is this when i point out that Nokia and MeeGo aren't the same thing, and that Nokia couldn't kill MeeGo if they wanted to? ;) | 12:52 |
| niala1 | intel swap to open os, nokia sawp to closed os. question: who will live ? | 12:52 |
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| niala1 | not same works i know | 12:52 |
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| sivaN900 | leinir: well on the handsets they could ? | 12:52 |
| zumbi | Milhouse: there is gta04.org project to port meego there, but they are struggling to get money to produce the phone in series | 12:53 |
| sivaN900 | unless intel does a phone with meego | 12:53 |
| foolano | leinir: but it's extremely dissapointing | 12:53 |
| niala1 | i hope a chinese compagny save meego handphone............ | 12:53 |
| niala1 | incredible! | 12:53 |
| Milhouse | zumbi: really needs more support than open hardware... | 12:53 |
| sivaN900 | leinir: what time in the uk ? | 12:53 |
| leinir | foolano: Oh, absolutely - i'm trying hard to stay positive here :P (anybody who knows me knows how hard it is to get me down ;) ) | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | I thought it was clear from the start, MeeGo is a seperate entity | 12:54 |
| leinir | sivaN900: 10.53 | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | like a child is a seperate entity from both it's parents | 12:54 |
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| sivaN900 | leinir: ok thanks and yes to that ! | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | in the start it requires them to live and grow | 12:54 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: you re positive, good | 12:54 |
| tybollt | happy faces all around today - eh? :-) | 12:54 |
| leinir | CosmoHill: *nods* but a lot of people in the press fail to realise that :) just look at how the BBC reports it ;) | 12:54 |
| bzhb | @qtbynokia: Everyone who asked about Qt's future, please stay tuned. We need to understand things better and will come back to you. | 12:54 |
| leinir | tybollt: Totally ;) | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo is still a kid and one of it's parents has just walked out but it can still grow to become an adult | 12:55 |
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| av500 | foolano: yes, but who knows what M$ offered them in contrast to goog | 12:55 |
| dolp | start polishing your CVs | 12:55 |
| sivaN900 | CosmoHill: sure | 12:55 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: did nookla drop it _all together_? | 12:55 |
| moofree | bust most likely it'll end up on the streets and in jail by the time it turns 20 | 12:55 |
| CosmoHill | please don't use M$, it makes you look stupid | 12:55 |
| av500 | foolano: I bet that goog was not willing to concede to anything, why should they? | 12:55 |
| sivaN900 | moofree: lol | 12:55 |
| CosmoHill | I mean using M$ instead of MS | 12:55 |
| DawnFoster | lots of other companies are doing cool stuff on meego: http://meego.com/about/public-support-meego | 12:55 |
| niala1 | CosmoHill: yes but for me, i m not developer, and it seems that meego is not very succesfully..... please correct me! | 12:56 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: so, did Nokia drop it all together? | 12:56 |
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| av500 | DawnFoster: yeah, like weetab :) | 12:56 |
| lolloo | omg bad news | 12:56 |
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| lolloo | i hate MS on Nokia phones!! | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | tybollt: tbh I've been awake 20 minutes | 12:56 |
| tybollt | CosmoHill: :) | 12:57 |
| sivaN900 | DawnFoster: indeed lets hope my interview phone call from finland will get indeed rescheduled as it was cancelled this morning | 12:57 |
| Milhouse | av500/Dawn: it's hard to compare WeTab with anything from the far east manufacturers who are all supporting Android... WeTab is a drop in the ocean. | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | I just hope port 8000 is open at uni | 12:57 |
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| foolano | av500: my point is that this might be a valid short-term strategy, but for the long term they should their own ecosystem or they'll turn into yet another hw manufacturer | 12:58 |
| Kypeli | I just updated my LinkedIn profile and removed MeeGo references :P | 12:58 |
| Milhouse | The problem with Maemo and now MeeGo, is that in all this time they produced very few products and virtually none that anyone wanted. | 12:58 |
| av500 | from: http://meego.com/about/public-support-meego these are mostly companies that offered stuff on top of meego, not meego adopters for products | 12:58 |
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| lolloo | will MeeGo continue? or will it be replaced by MS software on Nokia phones? | 12:58 |
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| leinir | tybollt: No - they'll even be releasing at least one MeeGo device, and it's still listed as a part of the business unit doing smart devices | 12:58 |
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| tybollt | http://conversations.nokia.com/images/Nokia-10-2-11-SLE-14.jpg | 12:58 |
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| halooottt | really sad day for nokia | 12:59 |
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| niala1 | Milhouse: the problem is people buy iphone and stupid other compagny copy this!!! | 12:59 |
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| Milhouse | leinir: yep, one MeeGo device with no future - who is going to buy it? | 12:59 |
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| TuOki^ | i sold my Nokia shares today - all of them | 12:59 |
| moofree | before or after the drop? | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | leinir: am I corrent in assuming that MeeGo device would be a netbook of some kind? | 12:59 |
| halooottt | good one tuOki | 12:59 |
| TuOki^ | after drop | 12:59 |
| TuOki^ | sadly | 13:00 |
| moofree | darn | 13:00 |
| moofree | only 10% :P | 13:00 |
| leinir | CosmoHill: Didn't say :) | 13:00 |
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| TuOki^ | but i managed to get little bit profit still | 13:00 |
| Milhouse | naila1: No the problem is that there is no alternative to iPhone etc. - MeeGo was not an alternative, as you can't buy it. Poor execution. | 13:00 |
| lolloo | omg sad picture | 13:00 |
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| halooottt | Microsoft has gaind a lot, Nokia nothing | 13:00 |
| TuOki^ | but i do not want to own company after this | 13:00 |
| halooottt | disgusting | 13:00 |
| halooottt | hi michele | 13:00 |
| TuOki^ | Qt and MeeGo was future and they did not understand that | 13:00 |
| tvainio | i also sold my shares this morning | 13:01 |
| lolloo | i agree | 13:01 |
| sivaN900 | the big photo with evil is disgusting indeed | 13:01 |
| Milhouse | Maybe if the share price tanks further they'll get rid of Elop before it's too late... :) | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | oh it's too early in the morning for this | 13:01 |
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| sivaN900 | tvainio: good call | 13:01 |
| lolloo | fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 13:01 |
| hena | it's hard to sell the stock before | 13:01 |
| tybollt | lolloo: appropriate meme there :) | 13:01 |
| hena | since markets open at 10 :) | 13:01 |
| moofree | not with INSIDER INFORMATION! | 13:01 |
| niala1 | maybe egyptian or tunisian peoples want open phone.................. | 13:01 |
| av500 | they want the gsm network not switched off | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: I think Egypt would want a stable government first | 13:02 |
| av500 | i doubt they care about the phone | 13:02 |
| sivaN900 | CosmoHill: so do us :-) | 13:02 |
| niala1 | ok ok i m nervosu | 13:02 |
| niala1 | nervous | 13:02 |
| av500 | ppl want phones to make calls and update facebook.... | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | great, I'm not ppl :( | 13:03 |
| robo | "who would buy a meego device if it's not being developed actively?" "well i think you answered your own question" .. sad,sad | 13:03 |
| moofree | just because nokia now doesn't mean that everything is lost... | 13:03 |
| moofree | err | 13:03 |
| moofree | wow | 13:03 |
| moofree | just because nokia IS EVIL now | 13:03 |
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| akikhaw | robo: that taking it a bit out of context tho, he did continue with "if we release something we will ensure that it has support" | 13:03 |
| moofree | really they've been evil since september you just didn't realize | 13:04 |
| Milhouse | bring back OPK... ;) | 13:04 |
| sivaN900 | what an ugly photo | 13:04 |
| moofree | ugly guy shaking another ugly guy's hand | 13:04 |
| moofree | with ugly grins | 13:04 |
| sivaN900 | see ypu all in 12 uk time | 13:05 |
| CosmoHill | "I was indifferent on Thursday. Today I am different" | 13:06 |
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| sivaN900 | this is one of the blackest days for open source and for linux. it states as if linux is not ready for prime time | 13:06 |
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| topeira | Didn't someone at Nokia say that "Qt is the Future"? | 13:06 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: flee now or forever be depressed | 13:07 |
| Milhouse | topeira: Nokia can't maintain the same strategy for more than 5 minutes. | 13:07 |
| Sazpaimon | oh looks like this channel is duplicating everyting in #maemo | 13:07 |
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| moofree | hey Sazpaimon funny seeing you here | 13:07 |
| sivaN900 | lcuk: do what he says | 13:07 |
| ICLAB | akikhaw: just because they said they'd make sure it had support doesn't mean they will, Symbian case and point | 13:07 |
| av500 | sivaN900: I like my linux prime time android phone a lot | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | Sazpaimon: well they're kinda the same thing ish | 13:07 |
| Sazpaimon | hi | 13:07 |
| sivaN900 | av500: yes thst is the remaining sanest choice i guess | 13:08 |
| sivaN900 | av500: and the closest to opeh | 13:08 |
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| Sazpaimon | not really, nokia killed off maemo long ago, so i dont know why they're crying about current events there | 13:08 |
| niala1 | meego/we miss asian people to help develop meego | 13:08 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 | 13:08 |
| LinuxCode | good bye Nokia | 13:08 |
| robo | topeira: yup, that what they said over and over again during the Qt Dev Days .. | 13:08 |
| LinuxCode | you were once a great compnay | 13:08 |
| LinuxCode | WIndows as main smartphone OS lol | 13:09 |
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| Milhouse | I like this: ""Nokia will adopt Windows Phone as its primary smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader," <--- Nokia made one decent camera phone, on Symbian, and that's where they think they will innovate on WP7? lol | 13:09 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: meego/we miss asian people to help develop meego | 13:09 |
| moofree | they're pushing Qt on Symbian now? this is starting to confuse me even more | 13:09 |
| sivaN900 | will we have qt dev days still ? the whole show case in october was around mobile and tablets | 13:09 |
| sivaN900 | moofree: it is a suicide | 13:09 |
| topeira | Nokia also released the first phone with NFC, in 2006... | 13:09 |
| moofree | well yeah | 13:09 |
| RST38h | They are confused themselves | 13:10 |
| sivaN900 | how is the stock ? | 13:10 |
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| Khertan | sivaN900: -9.93 : http://www.nasdaqomxnordic.com/shares/shareinformation/?Instrument=HEX24311 | 13:10 |
| LinuxCode | thats what ya get when you get a former MS employee to run your business | 13:10 |
| Sazpaimon | you know on the bright side | 13:10 |
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| LinuxCode | more confusion, back to the old | 13:10 |
| CosmoHill | Sazpaimon: cos Nokia killed of their replacement? | 13:10 |
| RST38h | Give it time, once the dirt storm recedes, you will see the hole shape, and maybe even the coffin | 13:10 |
| sivaN900 | LinuxCode+++ | 13:10 |
| nidO | sivaN900: down sharply | 13:10 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia hasn't seen this much press in in a long time | 13:10 |
| jjardon | http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK | 13:10 |
| Sazpaimon | -*in | 13:10 |
| CosmoHill | LinuxCode: how sure are we that he's "former" | 13:10 |
| LinuxCode | glad I will ahve my N900 for the next 3 eyars | 13:10 |
| sivaN900 | can not we write somethong to board of directors ? | 13:10 |
| jjardon | -7.25% now | 13:10 |
| Milhouse | -7.25, recovering | 13:11 |
| Sazpaimon | jjardon, NYSE hasn't even opened yet | 13:11 |
| moofree | time for the gnu to take over and release GNU Slash Maemo (/me vomits) | 13:11 |
| LinuxCode | best thing is, windows phone is the worst selling OS for mobile smartphones | 13:11 |
| moofree | meego | 13:11 |
| sharpneli | Almost -10% at finnish exhange which is open | 13:11 |
| LinuxCode | and they think they will gain market share ? | 13:11 |
| Khertan | jjardon, Milhouse : i still see -9.93 | 13:11 |
| sivaN900 | LinuxCode: this is why it is suicide | 13:11 |
| sivaN900 | LinuxCode: it will never make it | 13:11 |
| LinuxCode | which is why I said, Good Bye Nokia | 13:11 |
| sivaN900 | LinuxCode: precisly | 13:11 |
| moofree | at least microsoft has deep pockets to waste on advertising! | 13:12 |
| moofree | 500 million here and there and soon you're wasting a lot of money | 13:12 |
| LinuxCode | moofree, people know what thir MS based computers are like | 13:12 |
| LinuxCode | they dont want that, hence most are buying Apple now | 13:12 |
| moofree | lol | 13:12 |
| sharpneli | This deal is much better for ms than for nokia. Basically MS gets a huge company to support their own tanking platform | 13:12 |
| sivaN900 | everybody who has stocks should sell them to vote with legs against this | 13:12 |
| LinuxCode | they dont want a virus riddled, insecure, crap OS | 13:12 |
| LinuxCode | and I say this as a person who dopesnt like Apple either | 13:12 |
| sivaN900 | like tvainio and another here | 13:12 |
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| LinuxCode | sharpneli, it smells corrupt | 13:13 |
| Sazpaimon | we might see more coverage in the US market for nokia though | 13:13 |
| Sazpaimon | so they'd get some US exposure they desperately need | 13:13 |
| LinuxCode | he leaves, and now Nokia drops everything but MS | 13:13 |
| sivaN900 | i would sell mine if i had any | 13:13 |
| Milhouse | on this news, which is still confusing, if i was in the market considering a symbian phone i'd now be considering an alternative as the message today is that there is no future in that platform... so i would expect sales to fall in the near future. Q1/11 will be interesting. | 13:13 |
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| Milhouse | Osborne effect, basically. | 13:13 |
| TuOki^ | well even that i sold my "real" shares i build similar position with derivatives | 13:13 |
| kavacha1 | sivaN900, that is what MS probably wants, if the stock price drops low enough then it will be easier to aquire what is left of nokia | 13:13 |
| LinuxCode | Milhouse, and peopel will opt into Android or iOS | 13:14 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:14 |
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| sivaN900 | kavacha1: ah | 13:14 |
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| Milhouse | LinuxCode: exactly. | 13:14 |
| LinuxCode | MS will be last on their minds | 13:14 |
| sivaN900 | kavacha1: oops sorry then | 13:14 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, sivaN900 - in amongst all this faff, I went showing my mum how well apps work on MeeGo ideapad and handset. :) | 13:14 |
| moofree | trojan maaaaann | 13:14 |
| sivaN900 | kavacha1: how do we save nokia ? | 13:14 |
| sivaN900 | kavacha1: then ? | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I heard you telling DawnFoster that | 13:14 |
| lcuk | she really enjoyed it and had a game of tictactoe with Jake on the ideapad | 13:14 |
| LinuxCode | sivaN900, better option | 13:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: cool | 13:14 |
| LinuxCode | find devices that will run any OS | 13:14 |
| kavacha1 | the employees should stage a global walk out in protest | 13:14 |
| LinuxCode | or distribution | 13:14 |
| kavacha1 | and demand a change in CEO | 13:14 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: my mum can't use the DVD player but she's a guild leader on WoW, go figure | 13:15 |
| kavacha1 | but that is not likely to happen | 13:15 |
| kavacha1 | :( | 13:15 |
| slaine | I'm not going to get any work done today | 13:15 |
| nidO | Frankly, as someone whos actually used wp7 extensively rather than just blathering on with "omg its windazz, run!!" WP7 is not bad, and the xbox integration possibilities are massive for gamers. but I dont get the timing, if the wp7 transition's expected to take years how the hell could nokia not manage to get symbian's ui fixed up, and meego devices released, in that time? | 13:15 |
| lcuk | lol CosmoHill my mum can't either | 13:15 |
| sivaN900 | kavacha1: i was going to say that but was afraid | 13:15 |
| tybollt | kavacha1: no | 13:15 |
| lcuk | but she loves the calendar! | 13:15 |
| moofree | stupid people with their jobs not wanting to get fired for a walkout | 13:15 |
| tybollt | kavacha1: this is not about the CEO | 13:15 |
| Milhouse | kavachi: vote of no confidence, but probably a bit late for that now. | 13:15 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I let my mom play with a meego netbook a while back and she liked it. | 13:15 |
| moofree | how dare they not put phone platform above their own paycheck | 13:15 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, :D | 13:15 |
| tybollt | kavacha1: Nokia board SPECIFICALLY hired Ellop to deploy windows on their smartphones | 13:15 |
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| lcuk | make apps for real people (non computer folks) to use! | 13:15 |
| Milhouse | kavachi: this is all about appealing to the shareholders... | 13:15 |
| kavacha1 | tybollt: I agree | 13:15 |
| CosmoHill | the only thing I showed my mum recently was some image processing I did in a matlab alternative | 13:16 |
| kavacha1 | in 4 months | 13:16 |
| tybollt | kavacha1: this has nothing to do w/ steve ellop - he's just doing what he was told to do | 13:16 |
| TuOki^ | tybollt : i do not believe it | 13:16 |
| moofree | that's clear from today's announcement | 13:16 |
| kavacha1 | this plan did not just hatch | 13:16 |
| moofree | this was going to happen | 13:16 |
| moofree | months ago | 13:16 |
| LinuxCode | tybollt, then the board needs sacking | 13:16 |
| TuOki^ | they give just CEO free hands to do as he sees best | 13:16 |
| moofree | evil since september | 13:16 |
| sivaN900 | TuOki^: neither do i | 13:16 |
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| Ans5i | 11.2.11 | 13:16 |
| tybollt | LinuxCode: so buy some stocks... only the shareholders (owners) can do that :) | 13:16 |
| sivaN900 | Ans5i: i propose a memorial day | 13:17 |
| LinuxCode | nope, I just will buy another product | 13:17 |
| Milhouse | Ari must be breathing a sigh of relief | 13:17 |
| LinuxCode | if Nokia goes bankcrupt, I do not care | 13:17 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I went watching Shane Walter from OneDotZero last night, he gave a really good chat about moving image and innovations and collaborative experiences they have been part of over the years :) | 13:17 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: You're sure that board spesifically wanted WP7? | 13:17 |
| LinuxCode | -c | 13:17 |
| Milhouse | Got out while the going was good. | 13:17 |
| sivaN900 | Milhouse: indeed | 13:17 |
| CosmoHill | I've just thought, thank god I'm not a mod on these forums | 13:17 |
| tybollt | well | 13:17 |
| tybollt | then | 13:17 |
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| jonwil | Whats the current market cap of Nokia? | 13:18 |
| sivaN900 | laters | 13:18 |
| TuOki^ | 40.75 B dollars | 13:18 |
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| Milhouse | $40bn | 13:18 |
| moofree | about 10% less than an hour ago ;) | 13:18 |
| sivaN900 | this has been too much already | 13:18 |
| TuOki^ | yes | 13:18 |
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| iekku | hmph | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 13:19 |
| moofree | harumph | 13:19 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, morning | 13:19 |
| Milhouse | No doubt this will become an object lesson in business in years to come | 13:19 |
| moofree | now don't be hasty mr. nokia | 13:19 |
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| Milhouse | "How to lose it all" | 13:19 |
| lbt | "MeeGo and Mobile Solutions head Alberto Torres has stepped down from the company's management team, effective Feb. 10," | 13:19 |
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| jonwil | I doubt any one group, person or organization could obtain enough Nokia shares to be able to have any real influence over the running on the company | 13:20 |
| jonwil | Not with a $40bn market cap | 13:20 |
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| moofree | bill gates could do it ^.^ | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Ouch | 13:21 |
| Milhouse | hedge funds working together could, quite easily. | 13:21 |
| kavacha1 | jonwil: 40 bn is nothing intodays markets | 13:21 |
| kavacha1 | Milhouse: +1 | 13:21 |
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| kavacha1 | some hedge fund managers get paid in excess of 1 billion a year | 13:21 |
| jonwil | yeah maybe some uber ritch guy could or maybe a hedge-fund group could do it. But no-one who would actually WANT to influence the running of the company would be able to do it | 13:21 |
| kavacha1 | really what would 40 billion be to MS | 13:22 |
| jonwil | I cant see Microsoft actually buying Nokia | 13:22 |
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| Milhouse | kavachi: all of their cash reserves, apparently | 13:22 |
| moofree | investors care about money, not what platform their phones run | 13:22 |
| akikhaw | why would ms need to pay 40 billion for nokia? they already bought the nokia leadership, they don't need to buy the shares | 13:23 |
| moofree | now we just gotta ruin windows mobile somehow... | 13:23 |
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| moofree | "Windows Mobile 7 killed my dog" | 13:23 |
| LinuxCode | moofree, they will care a lot, wen Nokia goes down to 10-20% marketshare | 13:23 |
| karli | already down 10% | 13:23 |
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| moofree | :P | 13:23 |
| TuOki^ | moofree : no investors as like i care quite mucg | 13:23 |
| jonwil | hedge funds will get out of the shares if the company fails | 13:23 |
| TuOki^ | -g +h | 13:23 |
| Frye | Oh boy. I'm still shocked. | 13:23 |
| jonwil | as will other normal investors | 13:24 |
| moofree | smart investors will get out _before_ the company fails | 13:24 |
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| TuOki^ | moofree: hedge funds etc. cares only stock movement is it up or down they dont care they just want momenton | 13:24 |
| moofree | lilke some of you have already done, you smart people :D | 13:24 |
| Milhouse | Can't imagine I'll ever buy another Nokia phone now. | 13:24 |
| sharpneli | Ms indeed has no real reasons of purchasing Nokia as Nokia practically does their bidding already. | 13:24 |
| TuOki^ | modfree : you cannot no those things | 13:24 |
| TuOki^ | when stock goes up or down you cannot no it | 13:25 |
| moofree | know* | 13:25 |
| moofree | i never said i did know | 13:25 |
| jonwil | Looks like my N900 will be the first and last Nokia handset I own | 13:25 |
| TuOki^ | yeps | 13:25 |
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| moofree | this is just speculation | 13:25 |
| tybollt | sharpneli: Fairly. A CEO can't just decide on such a major reorganization of the entire company that this move is by himself - he needs to secure such a decision w/ the board. | 13:25 |
| tybollt | certainly since it needs very strong financial backing | 13:25 |
| LinuxCode | jonwil, there will be one more device | 13:25 |
| TuOki^ | but yea hedge funds have make lot of money today with Nokia | 13:25 |
| LinuxCode | with meego on it | 13:25 |
| tybollt | so yeah - this was most likely orders "from above" | 13:25 |
| janmalte | couldn't we just buy nokia and make it a community based company? :) | 13:25 |
| TuOki^ | hhehe not with our money | 13:26 |
| LinuxCode | but after that, def | 13:26 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: Or he managed to talk them around. It's called marketing ;D | 13:26 |
| janmalte | develop the beset ever seen OS named meego | 13:26 |
| nidO | he needs to secure the decision with those board members that didnt quit/get fired, yes | 13:26 |
| niala1 | question: the more open handset is android? | 13:26 |
| TuOki^ | we need to have approx 1-2 bn euros so that we could really get control over Nokia | 13:26 |
| tybollt | sharpneli: come now - why do you think they would hire HIM of all people? :) | 13:26 |
| LinuxCode | the thing about meego was, that I didnt see meego as a standalone option | 13:26 |
| slaine | Wonder if we can go back to using Clutter/MX and GTK+ now | 13:26 |
| LinuxCode | some of the meego stuff would end up in other distributions | 13:26 |
| mece | I want a meego t-shirt | 13:26 |
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| LinuxCode | and that is the way things will go... | 13:26 |
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| sharpneli | tybollt: He's been COO of Juniper, CEO of Macromedia etc. | 13:27 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: He has experience. | 13:27 |
| sandst1 | mece: welcome to the summit finland then :) | 13:27 |
| mece | tested my qml game on WeTab just now. Very very nice and smooth! yay! | 13:27 |
| akikhaw | "i coded for meego and all i got was this stupid t-shirt" shirt? | 13:27 |
| LinuxCode | you wont find dedicated handset OS' in the near future | 13:27 |
| jonwil | there may well be another device. But we dont know that such a device will be a phone | 13:27 |
| tybollt | sharpneli: what was his last employer - again? :) | 13:27 |
| mece | sandst1, when is it? | 13:27 |
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| sandst1 | mece: 15-16th april, registrations full though.. | 13:27 |
| sandst1 | summit.meegonetwork.fi | 13:27 |
| jonwil | Time to go see this announcement from the other side of the fence ( | 13:27 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: Oh for christ sake, he was just 2 years at MS. Do you think MS hired him from Juniper in order to switch ms switchs into juniper?-) | 13:28 |
| jonwil | (xda-developers Win Phone 7 forum0 | 13:28 |
| mece | sandst1, well if kypeli doesn't want to go... | 13:28 |
| tybollt | sandst1: Let me guess - Microsoft is main sponsor of the event? :D | 13:28 |
| Ans5i | http://conversations.nokia.com/nokia-strategy-2011/ | 13:28 |
| Milhouse | All Nokia will produce is another MeeGo "project" phone - another device with all the aesthetics of a house brick, not something that is meant to succeed. | 13:28 |
| tybollt | "free micrososft cd's for all" | 13:28 |
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| sandst1 | tybollt: ^^ | 13:28 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: Or juniper wanted flash when they hired him from Adobe?-) | 13:28 |
| mece | well the "project" phones are the best! | 13:28 |
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| niala1 | nokia migrate like lemmings lol | 13:29 |
| tybollt | sharpneli: Did you have this debate in first grade when the math teach tried to tell you 1+1=2, as well? | 13:29 |
| lcuk | Milhouse, Nokia have capability to bottle up the smiles from people in Helsinki as they emerged to the first snow of the year and spread it around the world. | 13:29 |
| sharpneli | tybollt: Yes! | 13:30 |
| jonwil | xda-developers people are going on about how good this move by Nokia is | 13:30 |
| moofree | rofl | 13:30 |
| jonwil | and how "this move means I might actually buy a Nokia" | 13:30 |
| moofree | "yeah now there's a phone that actually has windows mobile 7 WOW!" | 13:30 |
| niala1 | just wait to see meegoboy laugh :) | 13:30 |
| sharpneli | :D | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | he's banned | 13:30 |
| Milhouse | lcuk: people are smiling in helsinki? | 13:30 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: who's he? | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | Milhouse, they were when I was there. | 13:31 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: May I ask how you feel today? | 13:31 |
| Lynoure | Milhouse: mostly not | 13:31 |
| lcuk | I was walking through the city centre when the first snow of the year arrived | 13:31 |
| Lynoure | Milhouse: unless cynical half grin counts | 13:31 |
| lcuk | and people were coming out of their doors and seeing it for the first time | 13:31 |
| Milhouse | lcuk: can't imagine they are today, but what do I know... :) | 13:31 |
| lcuk | the smiles and glee on faces was broad and wide | 13:31 |
| mece | frals, are you on here? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: @!$@ describes it pretty well but i doubt i'll be running out of job opportunities anytime soon | 13:31 |
| mece | Stskeeps :) | 13:32 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I _really_ hope the n900 hardware adaptation will continue. | 13:32 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: :-/ | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | mece, its over some of its major hurdles and infrastructure is in place so images get out. ensuring the community apps build well is a priority even whilst adaption work continues | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | honestly, i still believe in MeeGo - it's a great platform to work with. | 13:34 |
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| Stskeeps | and this entire shuffle might end up with a better situation than before | 13:34 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: do you think it's still going to produce good devices? | 13:34 |
| niala1 | maybe be phone with choice.. win7 or meego :) | 13:34 |
| mece | beware, I tweet stuff you say that is interesting.. | 13:35 |
| mece | :) | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: keep in mind i'm not a nokia employee | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:35 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I know. | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: i mean, 1.2 is the one intended to people to productise using, and it's actually quite nice | 13:35 |
| mece | Stskeeps, you say cool stuff. So I tweet it :) | 13:36 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, how is 1.2 currently on N900? is it something you could use as your phone (if you're nerdy and masochistic) | 13:37 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: *nod* I'd be tryign it now, if I had a spare n900 with working usb port :-/ | 13:39 |
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| ccooke | (must get aroundd to fixing that) | 13:40 |
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| CosmoHill | how old is MeeGo? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | almost a year now | 13:42 |
| CosmoHill | it's birthday is some time next week i think | 13:42 |
| mece | Tomi Ahonen is shocked... | 13:43 |
| mece | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/02/first-analysis-of-nokia-microsoft-alliance-wow-this-is-good-for-microsoft.html | 13:43 |
| sivang_shock | Stskeeps: how's upi ? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | upi? | 13:43 |
| sivang_shock | err | 13:43 |
| sivang_shock | Stskeeps: 'sup ? :) | 13:43 |
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| mece | I dare not even open tmo today... | 13:43 |
| mece | ok i will. | 13:43 |
| mece | heh | 13:43 |
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| ccooke | mece: bad plan :-) | 13:44 |
| mece | ok closing it now. | 13:45 |
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| sivang_shock | I take this is old by now? | 13:47 |
| sivang_shock | http://i.imgur.com/4kepL.jpg | 13:47 |
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| mece | aahaha | 13:47 |
| mece | apt | 13:47 |
| sivang_shock | amazing what you find on blogsphere surrounding this events | 13:47 |
| mece | any word from quim today? | 13:48 |
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| av500 | lol: "....And MeeGo? What a kick in the face of Nokia's last-year partner, Intel? This is really painful news for Intel...." | 13:49 |
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| moofree | oh man | 13:49 |
| moofree | Intel Phone where? | 13:49 |
| sivang_shock | av500: intel should not care much. they are the strongest cpu mfct inthe world | 13:49 |
| raghum | how do I set arm architecture to armv7hl from the default armv7el | 13:49 |
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| av500 | sivang_shock: exactly | 13:50 |
| av500 | hence my lol | 13:50 |
| lbt | raghum: #meego-arm will tell you | 13:50 |
| mece | i wonder. the meego device, will obviously be a project phone with no future. Which means it could be awesome for hackers | 13:50 |
| raghum | thanks | 13:50 |
| moofree | hackers have no future ;) | 13:50 |
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| av500 | mece: root an android phone and start hacking today.... | 13:50 |
| av500 | why wait for awesomephone? | 13:50 |
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| angasule | so I guess y'all have heard about Nokia going with windows phone? :( | 13:50 |
| av500 | angasule: really= | 13:51 |
| katrina_kdab | oh yeah | 13:51 |
| av500 | angasule: really? | 13:51 |
| moofree | angasule: not really | 13:51 |
| mece | I dont want android, I want meego | 13:51 |
| jani | orlY? | 13:51 |
| angasule | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/ | 13:51 |
| av500 | mece: install it | 13:51 |
| moofree | hadn't heard | 13:51 |
| katrina_kdab | #qt-chat is another interesting channel atm btw ;-) | 13:51 |
| mece | oo | 13:51 |
| av500 | angasule: that's a fake | 13:51 |
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| sivang_shock | WeGO MeeGo! | 13:52 |
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| angasule | av500: how do you figure? | 13:52 |
| av500 | angasule: it was a joke | 13:53 |
| moofree | it's fake cause ballmer's horns aren't visible | 13:53 |
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| av500 | "LG will consider making their own OS like bada, might actually try to woo Intel into 'MeeGo part 2'" -> learn korean! | 13:53 |
| moofree | obviously photoshopped | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | av500: hmm? | 13:53 |
| av500 | from Ahonen | 13:54 |
| angasule | av500: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1488007 | 13:54 |
| av500 | it - was - a - joke | 13:54 |
| * av500 joked | 13:54 | |
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| * jonwil is getting nowhere with N900 projects | 13:54 | |
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| angasule | I wonder what will happen with meego and Qt :( | 13:55 |
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| iekku | work continues? | 13:56 |
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| Milhouse | Any ideas on how the Finnish press are reporting this? | 13:56 |
| Frye | Well it is a non-binding as of now | 13:56 |
| Frye | they are still negotiating | 13:56 |
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| Frye | But I think if market response is good they will proceed | 13:56 |
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| angasule | if market response is good I'm moving to another planet | 13:56 |
| iekku | Milhouse, they are like wolfs | 13:56 |
| Frye | I'm not happy either | 13:57 |
| iekku | already reporters outside at the nokia premises | 13:57 |
| Frye | I have been waiting for meego phone for a long time now =) | 13:57 |
| moofree | the only people that are happy are the windows people | 13:57 |
| sivang_shock | Frye: you mean the deal is not done yet? | 13:57 |
| Milhouse | iekku: so happy, or unhappy? | 13:57 |
| Frye | DISCLAIMER | 13:57 |
| Frye | Nokia and Microsoft have entered into a non-binding term sheet. The planned partnership remains subject to negotiations and execution of the definitive agreements by the parties and there can be no assurances that the definitive agreements would be entered into. | 13:57 |
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| Milhouse | iekku: a good move for one of finlands biggest companies, or not? | 13:57 |
| sivang_shock | Frye: uh-ha | 13:57 |
| Frye | From the press release | 13:57 |
| niala1 | Frye: me too, sad day for open os | 13:58 |
| Frye | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1488007 | 13:58 |
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| sivang_shock | Frye: so if wp7 fails to deilver, as it will WeGo back to MeeGo? | 13:58 |
| iekku | Milhouse, i'm in meego, i'm not happy with the news | 13:58 |
| pentalus | sad day indeed | 13:58 |
| Frye | I'm not going to speculate | 13:58 |
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| Frye | I have no clue | 13:58 |
| [Rui] | http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/meego/ | 13:58 |
| Frye | I was 99.99% sure this would not happen | 13:58 |
| Frye | and I was wrong | 13:58 |
| iekku | Milhouse, but that's only my opinion | 13:58 |
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| jarkkom | it probably hits harder all the smaller companies who went meego+qt when nokia announced it was way to go | 13:59 |
| mece | this was the worst news I have ever heard from a tech company ever. | 13:59 |
| Milhouse | iekku: no not you, the opinion of the Finnish press | 13:59 |
| av500 | [Rui]: and? | 13:59 |
| moofree | no man you weren't wrong, you were just .001% right | 13:59 |
| moofree | .01% i mean | 13:59 |
| niala1 | "Bing would power Nokia's search..." should i laugh or should i cry ? | 13:59 |
| mece | appears I'm rather emotionally invested in meego and Qt | 13:59 |
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| Milhouse | jarkkom: backing Nokia and their future direction is a risky business, that will probably never change. | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | mece: then help move ahead meego, it's open | 14:00 |
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| tybollt | mece: that is my point... nokia is certainly not gaining goodwill w/ this move | 14:00 |
| Frye | Yeah, there are lots of small companies near here that went to QT&maemo/meego development | 14:00 |
| epx | niala1, laugh until tears appear | 14:00 |
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| Frye | I have seen significant amounts of money poured into the training of their staff | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 14:00 |
| janmalte | nokia just announced to fire some more people | 14:00 |
| mece | Stskeeps, I know. And I believe I will have a device (newer device than n900) that use meego soon enough. | 14:00 |
| Frye | to train them from Symbian to Qt | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo isn't technically bad | 14:00 |
| mece | janmalte, where, and who? | 14:01 |
| janmalte | it was a headline in the radio news right now | 14:01 |
| topeira | Nokia is the new Palm | 14:01 |
| jarkkom | and transitioning to winmo7 devs is useless because currently winmo7 API is so limited that you cannot do anything useful with it except XNA games | 14:01 |
| iekku | janmalte, do you have a link? | 14:01 |
| [Rui] | av500: and subscribe if you want, don't if you don't want to. it's the same for me :) | 14:01 |
| mece | topeira, well the new hp products seem nice.. | 14:01 |
| jarkkom | but at least people can learn .net and start doing sharepoint or something :) | 14:01 |
| LinuxCode | thats another good question | 14:01 |
| topeira | mece: yes, HP... | 14:01 |
| mece | there's music in the live streem again.. | 14:01 |
| angasule | how can a company go from being the most open to... microsoft? :( | 14:01 |
| LinuxCode | mobile phone business try to make more money with app sales | 14:02 |
| ruskie | angasule, by getting a microsoft person as the CEO | 14:02 |
| LinuxCode | but MS dropped silverlight | 14:02 |
| LinuxCode | and told those people to get lost | 14:02 |
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| janmalte | i'm searching | 14:02 |
| LinuxCode | then they said, but we will keep it for mobiles | 14:02 |
| KevinB | money money money | 14:02 |
| iekku | but hey, we are here for the meego, not for the nokia, right? | 14:02 |
| * Stskeeps 's with iekku | 14:02 | |
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| angasule | ah, crap | 14:02 |
| LinuxCode | iekku, naturally | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | meego's meego, even though it might have lost a big contributor | 14:02 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, +1 | 14:03 |
| mece | definately. But I still need a device from someone... | 14:03 |
| angasule | Stskeeps: without nokia, who backs it up? Intel? MeeGo was interesting because of ARM | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | so this will be a big bump in the road, but not a fatal wound | 14:03 |
| niala1 | LinuxCode: people are stupid, they buy the most closed os never been ios ant now the other compagnies copy this ecosystem | 14:03 |
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| Stskeeps | angasule: who says ARM can't continue? i mean | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | angasule: Linaro pretty much delivers the toolchain | 14:03 |
| LinuxCode | angasule, ? | 14:03 |
| RST38h | After the first (and apparently, only) MeeGo device ships this year, the MeeGo team will then "change their focus into an exploration of future platforms, future devices, future user experiences." Trying to determine the "next disruption" in smartphones. | 14:04 |
| LinuxCode | arm is one of the most successful chip companies ever | 14:04 |
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| janmalte | iekku: mece: http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1109948 | 14:04 |
| janmalte | don't know if there are any international news | 14:04 |
| KevinB | just wonder if nokia will still contribute to the qt-ui libraries | 14:04 |
| pexi | http://i.imgur.com/4kepL.jpg | 14:04 |
| nidO | well, a meego *has* apparently now lost one of it's major sources of actual devices to start gaining traction, which is needs to become popular | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | angasule: rest of pieces is just fixing builds | 14:04 |
| LinuxCode | as Nokia holds control of QT | 14:04 |
| LinuxCode | question is, what will happen to that | 14:04 |
| LinuxCode | I guess worst case, it be forked | 14:05 |
| mece | LinuxCode, that is a very good question | 14:05 |
| LinuxCode | maybe red hat would buy it | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqt_announcement.php , LinuxCode | 14:05 |
| _berto_ | live webcast again -> nokia.com/press | 14:05 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, aha ta | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | Page 32 of the slides. | 14:05 |
| LinuxCode | hahah | 14:05 |
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| LinuxCode | I kinda knew that was coming | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm? | 14:06 |
| angasule | I need to go through some kind of EULA to watch a live stream? haha forget about it | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: how interesting | 14:07 |
| iekku | hmm, I think I'm going soon home, and start to enjoy weekend with my friends :) | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I wonder if that agreement has been completed | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: supposedly it has | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | even by nokia | 14:07 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, the trolltech kde one ? | 14:07 |
| Milhouse | maybe intel will buy qt... | 14:08 |
| mece | my live stream seem dead. | 14:08 |
| sivang_shock | Stskeeps: I don't get it, meego is so close | 14:08 |
| mece | are you getting anything? | 14:08 |
| Milhouse | working here | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: at this particular point, i really hope that | 14:08 |
| mece | grr | 14:09 |
| sivang_shock | Stskeeps: closer than ever | 14:09 |
| ptl | it was a sad day to know about those Windows Phone plans. | 14:09 |
| mece | ok got it | 14:09 |
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| Milhouse | why were there only two options? downloads from ovi are growing at the rate of 0.5m/downloads a day per month... seems like Nokia don't have the balls or belief to grow their own | 14:10 |
| mece | depressing | 14:10 |
| lcuk | bah "those were the 2 options" \@/ there is always another way. | 14:10 |
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| Milhouse | i hear his argument, but find it very hard to believe any of it | 14:11 |
| mece | ok.. how praytell is ms better in any way whatsoever???? | 14:11 |
| * LinuxCode forks lcuk and creates 3 more branch lcuks | 14:11 | |
| lcuk | \o/ yayy | 14:11 |
| mece | he might as well talk about wp7 now.. | 14:11 |
| sivang_shock | what is in slide 32? | 14:11 |
| lcuk | it looks like Richard Branson has fixed my internet though :) | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | LinuxCode, all last week in all the channels I had about 10 clones in each lol | 14:11 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, yeah, he ddi that from the plane he is on atm | 14:11 |
| Milhouse | And choosing MS isn't giving up??? WTF???!!!!! | 14:12 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, hehe | 14:12 |
| sivan | Milhouse: exactly | 14:12 |
| mece | haha so we decided to commit suicide instead of just give up | 14:12 |
| Milhouse | The man is a twat | 14:12 |
| erstazi | he was part of Microsoft for how long? | 14:12 |
| mece | wait.. THAT IS THE EXACTLY SAME SCENARIO YOU JUST SAID WERE BAD ABOUT ANDROID!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 14:12 |
| RST38h | mece: You are not getting it! The brave man has jumped into cold waters and has been saved!!! | 14:12 |
| mece | idiot | 14:12 |
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| bzhb | in the slides there is a picture showing nokia r&d investment | 14:12 |
| CosmoHill | we should read something to cheer us up, I recommend Dawn of the Bunny Suicides | 14:13 |
| sivan | they have a conteporary operating system? | 14:13 |
| bzhb | meego investment is cut by 3 | 14:13 |
| bzhb | or so | 14:13 |
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| sivan | more than meego/ maemo/ symbian? | 14:13 |
| sivan | S3 is contemporay | 14:13 |
| LinuxCode | bzhb, meego 2 million, MS fees 100 million ? | 14:13 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 14:13 |
| LinuxCode | *sarcasm* | 14:13 |
| sivan | bzhb: that is what in slide 32? | 14:13 |
| bzhb | yes | 14:13 |
| mece | by critical he means free ride | 14:14 |
| bzhb | it says its illustrative though | 14:14 |
| mece | what is? | 14:14 |
| LinuxCode | Id love it now, if Motorola or another manufacturer, would now say, ok, we will support meego | 14:14 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 14:14 |
| sivan | LinuxCode: or LG! | 14:14 |
| LinuxCode | I dont care which one | 14:14 |
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| mece | lg would be nice. | 14:14 |
| LinuxCode | Id just like to see a face slap | 14:14 |
| av500 | maybe samsung can ditch bada for meego | 14:14 |
| erstazi | their Approximate Revenue slide is funny | 14:15 |
| mece | i want rotten fruit thrown at them | 14:15 |
| u19809 | anybody looking at the press conference ? | 14:15 |
| u19809 | what great bullshit | 14:15 |
| erstazi | u19809: agreed | 14:15 |
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| CosmoHill | is this channel gonna be full of LG users in a few months? | 14:15 |
| mece | u19809: truth spoke. Bullshit. | 14:15 |
| psycho_oreos | only time will tell | 14:15 |
| CosmoHill | that's just stupid | 14:15 |
| erstazi | "Will it succeed?" haha | 14:15 |
| u19809 | he wants to create an ecosystem with a complete looser ??? | 14:15 |
| mece | haaahaha | 14:16 |
| Milhouse | Hold on, he's just bet his companies future on something that may not succeed???? | 14:16 |
| LinuxCode | somebody re-post the link please | 14:16 |
| erstazi | I call utter failure | 14:16 |
| erstazi | LinuxCode: http://www-waa-akam.thomson-webcast.net/uk/dispatching/?event_id=2dd7139793f7dc9f43109186244f14dc&portal_id=369401748e8249f142a700d8098a3473 | 14:16 |
| CosmoHill | people should buy products that suite their needs | 14:16 |
| LinuxCode | ta | 14:16 |
| erstazi | sorry, should have used tinyurl | 14:16 |
| Milhouse | This argument is paper thin... | 14:16 |
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| erstazi | wait | 14:16 |
| erstazi | did anyone see the slide "Mobile Devices Net Sales Mix | 14:17 |
| topeira | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/ | 14:17 |
| * LinuxCode watches share price | 14:17 | |
| erstazi | MeeGo net sales not illustrated | 14:17 |
| erstazi | that is what that slide says | 14:17 |
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| ccooke | erstazi: have there *been* any meego sales? | 14:17 |
| Milhouse | What MeeGo sales? | 14:17 |
| erstazi | ccooke: of course not, yet | 14:17 |
| erstazi | they never even gave it a chance | 14:18 |
| u19809 | he claims that microsoft is taking critical bets ... what the f*K with 80% of revenue from windows and office ... what is the bet here ? | 14:18 |
| erstazi | "Focus Our “Direct R&D” Investment" slide too | 14:18 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:18 |
| erstazi | looks like they are cutting R&D by 66% | 14:18 |
| u19809 | anybody know what the stocks are doing ? | 14:18 |
| fendel | How do Nokia plan to compete directly on price and time to market with Huwai and HTC? | 14:18 |
| Milhouse | A next generation operating system... it's Windows CE with a new lick of pain!!! | 14:18 |
| Milhouse | s/pain/paint/ | 14:18 |
| LinuxCode | share price is stubbornly hovering at -9.1x% | 14:18 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: A next generation operating system... it's Windows CE with a new lick of paint!!! | 14:18 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: don't forget the Walled Garden approach! | 14:18 |
| Milhouse | Nokia is dead to me... :) | 14:19 |
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| u19809 | milhouse : yep think so to | 14:19 |
| LinuxCode | all he keeps talking about is the US market lol | 14:19 |
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| ccooke | the problem is, Nokia make good handsets. I'd have been dissapointed if they'd gone for android, say, but that would at least have been *interesting*... | 14:19 |
| * erstazi bets on how many nokia employees leave this channel | 14:19 | |
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| u19809 | LinuxCode : and also advertising | 14:19 |
| lcuk | Windows phone blue squares look like original liqbase :) | 14:19 |
| lolloo | all | 14:19 |
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| mece | again | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | erstazi: i'm personally hoping some people will stay cos of that they like meego, though | 14:20 |
| mece | this is good for microsoft... | 14:20 |
| erstazi | Stskeeps: agreed | 14:20 |
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| ruskie | and only microsoft | 14:20 |
| erstazi | ruskie: just was going to type that | 14:20 |
| fendel | MeeGo is already part of both KDE and Gnome. Someone will make products based on "MeeGo" | 14:20 |
| Milhouse | the only "good" that nokia gets from this deal is the oppurtunity to reduce head count | 14:20 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, we put some meego stuff into fedora | 14:20 |
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| CosmoHill | who here wants blood? | 14:21 |
| Milhouse | i hope nokia take an absolute caning when the us markets open | 14:21 |
| dazo | Anyone know if any other mobile vendors going for MeeGo? | 14:21 |
| mece | QML on WeTab is superbly smooth btw :) | 14:21 |
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| fendel | LinuxCode: Sure.. Empathy, telepathy, Sofia-SIP, and so on. Nokia sponsored projects for Maemo and MeeGo | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | hey dazo | 14:21 |
| * dazo is so going to ditch Nokia | 14:21 | |
| dazo | CosmoHill: hey | 14:21 |
| lcuk | lbt, whats the simplest path to send commits to OBS - without actually needing OBS. ie, developing and using git for qt apps | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | dazo: can I has it plz :) | 14:21 |
| * dazo is grumpy on the latest news! Very grumpy! | 14:21 | |
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| lcuk | can a person just point OBS at that git and have it in community? | 14:22 |
| dazo | CosmoHill: heh .... the N900 is still bought, but never Nokia again | 14:22 |
| lbt | lcuk: mmm | 14:22 |
| erstazi | dazo: thats understandable. you invested time, money, and effort into a platform (I am assuming N900). | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | I broke the keypad on my nokia yesterday | 14:22 |
| dazo | yeah | 14:22 |
| lcuk | lbt, for instance, venemo's puzzle-master, its qt based | 14:22 |
| lbt | lcuk: so that's kinda what BOSS is about | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 14:22 |
| lbt | automation of code->image | 14:22 |
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| erstazi | CosmoHill: you can use the on-screen keyboard but it is a pain sometimes | 14:22 |
| CosmoHill | my phone is a non-touch screen | 14:23 |
| LinuxCode | how mnay appz are in WP7 app store ? | 14:23 |
| erstazi | oh never mind | 14:23 |
| lbt | triggering event (a commit to git) causes a QA process which ultimately builds an image | 14:23 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:23 |
| CosmoHill | and it's the "answer" button | 14:23 |
| dazo | maybe CosmoHill can develop a newer and better on-screen keyboard ... after all, it's all software | 14:23 |
| lbt | but it's deliberately not system to system | 14:23 |
| erstazi | LinuxCode: 8 THOUSAND were added in a day!!!1 (thats what that guy said in the press video) | 14:23 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:23 |
| lbt | what if I want to do something between commit and build ? | 14:23 |
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| CosmoHill | dazo: I have heard of some sound reconition software that uses your phone's microphone to work out where on the screen to tapped | 14:23 |
| lbt | if it's git 2 obs then "tough" | 14:23 |
| LinuxCode | windows phone ecosystem... | 14:23 |
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| dazo | CosmoHill: cool! | 14:24 |
| lbt | lcuk: by having a hub we have a bottleneck and flexibility | 14:24 |
| mece | haha not only is the ecosystem hopeless, nokia also have to compete with the other manufacturers that are on a roll | 14:24 |
| lbt | as long as the bottleneck is wide enough ... we're fine | 14:24 |
| lbt | and we've tested a million concurrent commits ... | 14:24 |
| lcuk | lbt, awesome | 14:24 |
| LinuxCode | funny thing is, he wants to compete with android and apple | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | mece: from the sounds of it, nokia is competing with nokia | 14:24 |
| erstazi | CosmoHill: haha | 14:24 |
| * lcuk wants to offer programs that work | 14:25 | |
| LinuxCode | but, where are the 70,000 developers that will build apps for their crap ? | 14:25 |
| LinuxCode | where are the free development systems for that? | 14:25 |
| lbt | so ... the answer is BOSS ... and I'm on the CI delivery this sprint | 14:25 |
| erstazi | LinuxCode: they are probably counting the developers for Windows 7 and not windows phone 7. | 14:25 |
| lbt | (was) | 14:25 |
| CosmoHill | LinuxCode: well if lcuk is on developer, that gives you 10 when his internet craps out | 14:25 |
| lcuk | lbt, good stuff. | 14:25 |
| LinuxCode | CosmoHill, lol | 14:25 |
| pentalus | reading the slides it appears Elop is planning to drop also symbian | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | LinuxCode, I can convert each sketch I make into an app | 14:25 |
| * LinuxCode calls Richard Branson | 14:25 | |
| mece | OH MY GOD!! | 14:25 |
| pentalus | :O | 14:25 |
| mece | NOOOOOO | 14:26 |
| mece | it just gets worse and worse! | 14:26 |
| u19809 | do i hear right if he keeps on pressing that it is not 'a standard OEM agreement' ? He wants to make us believe that they will control windows / Microsoft ? That would be a first | 14:26 |
| LinuxCode | "oi, pull the plug from lcuk 's inet!" | 14:26 |
| lcuk | just last week | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | mece: which dainty? | 14:26 |
| Milhouse | Yep, WinCE has finally killed off Symbian | 14:26 |
| erstazi | pentalus: right but supposedly leave R&D for Meego while dropping Symbian | 14:26 |
| lcuk | I turned my entire UI into handwritten | 14:26 |
| CosmoHill | *religion | 14:26 |
| lcuk | so now, a couple of years ago, I sketched a clock | 14:26 |
| lcuk | now, its a fully working clock | 14:26 |
| mece | well he said "we could change ui yadda yadda, but we really can't" | 14:26 |
| lcuk | but looks just like my sketch :) | 14:26 |
| LinuxCode | Milhouse, lol | 14:26 |
| Milhouse | I'm expecting Symbian sales to drop off a cliff | 14:27 |
| pentalus | http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=b15171a6&page=32 | 14:27 |
| mece | meego is still there though :) | 14:27 |
| erstazi | mece: yeah, in the R&D | 14:27 |
| mece | hehehe | 14:27 |
| LinuxCode | errrm, he thinks WP will become cheaper | 14:27 |
| erstazi | mece: they could drop it (; | 14:27 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:28 |
| erstazi | LinuxCode: haha exactly | 14:28 |
| LinuxCode | I do not think so | 14:28 |
| LinuxCode | MS, yeah sure, we will make less profit | 14:28 |
| Milhouse | Man... Symbian outsells all other smartphone devices, and he's killing it off? | 14:28 |
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| erstazi | Milhouse: exactly | 14:28 |
| u19809 | until now I have not heard anything i reall agree with | 14:28 |
| LinuxCode | thats what we do, we run a benevolent fund for mobile phone businesses | 14:28 |
| Milhouse | To be replaced by something that barely sells | 14:28 |
| pentalus | I fear they are doing with meego the same thing they did with maemo... ship one device and then drop it | 14:28 |
| pentalus | :( | 14:28 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: it is the most popular smartphone OS | 14:28 |
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| lolloo | MeeGo please dont go away. | 14:28 |
| LinuxCode | lolloo, it wont | 14:28 |
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| leinir | lolloo: let me just reiterate my earlier point here... MeeGo != Nokia | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | open source is like a bad comment, once it's out there it's out there | 14:29 |
| slaine | If the money from Nokia and Intel dry up, meego won't survive. If the money from Nokia dries up but Intel remains commited, meego will survive as Intel do a lot of work. Focus from intel will probably ship to a tablet ux | 14:29 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, not really | 14:29 |
| lolloo | aha | 14:29 |
| lcuk | but we do need to find a way for community participation to be rewarded | 14:29 |
| Milhouse | This guy is going to gut Nokia and leave it a broken wreck of a company, then p'ss off somewhere in a few years... by then i won't care of course, but that's what is going to happen. | 14:29 |
| fendel | MeeGo is a distro. We have a lot of distros. The most important is the components, the focus, the contributors, and the end products | 14:29 |
| lolloo | nokia+intel+MS | 14:29 |
| lolloo | =? | 14:29 |
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| CosmoHill | lolloo: the Nokia Notbook? | 14:30 |
| u19809 | what is he blabbing about now ? | 14:30 |
| CosmoHill | notebook* | 14:30 |
| sivan | slaine: right | 14:30 |
| lolloo | haha | 14:30 |
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| fendel | slaine: "MeeGo" is a core part of Gnome and KDE: telepathy, empathy, qt, sofia-sip, and so on.. Nokia has sponsored core projects on both KDE (meego) and Gnome (maemo) | 14:31 |
| sivan | Milhouse: I care. | 14:31 |
| mece | I care too. | 14:31 |
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| Milhouse | blabbing about the good stuff Nokia does on their low end devices, that will presumably be running WP7 at some point... yeah right. | 14:31 |
| LinuxCode | talking about locations in this world, that buy second hand mobile hand sets for cheap | 14:31 |
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| LinuxCode | thats what he is taling about | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | lolloo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booklet_3G_netbook | 14:31 |
| lolloo | oooh | 14:31 |
| LinuxCode | charging them money to use their phone for banking | 14:31 |
| mece | wtf? | 14:31 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:31 |
| mece | when do they say that? | 14:32 |
| mece | (and by they I mean we) | 14:32 |
| LinuxCode | I dont recall African farmers earning 30k a year | 14:32 |
| Milhouse | sivan/mece: I did care, but have had enough of this mad company and their constantly changing strategy while never moving forward. this just continues that trend. | 14:32 |
| slaine | I missed most of what's going on though. Have nokia decided to drop R&D in MeeGo, R&D in Symbian or is it general R&D | 14:32 |
| fendel | The work done on MeeGo has already helped Fedora, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Mandriva, and so on. | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | if anyone is interested, there is a video of meego running on the nokia booklet on youtube | 14:33 |
| erstazi | http://bit.ly/hV5bt8 << Let me Summarize Nokia's stock | 14:33 |
| u19809 | he just said they would provide a meego smartphone this year as a future experimentation platform | 14:33 |
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| KevinB | i like this part of his speech :) | 14:33 |
| u19809 | meee toooo | 14:33 |
| u19809 | so we just have to wait a bit more ... | 14:33 |
| notmart | nokwintel... | 14:33 |
| * notmart hopes meego resists in some form | 14:33 | |
| Khertan | u19809: it seems it s use the word "device" not smartphone | 14:34 |
| notmart | good luck guys, and hugs :) | 14:34 |
| sivan | Milhouse: I don't know what to say dude. We need to petition to the board that a whole ecosystem based on specific platform for years cannot just change in one day | 14:34 |
| niala1 | notmart: you dream | 14:34 |
| sivan | damn lag | 14:34 |
| sivan | my cast was cut | 14:34 |
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| sivan | what did he say about meego engineers? | 14:34 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: do you think your image would run on the Nokia Booklet? | 14:34 |
| sivan | after that they will plan the future? | 14:34 |
| u19809 | khertan : true but since it will relate to the future I would presume it has to do with mobile phoning ... | 14:34 |
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| fendel | slaine: No, but they have announced they will cut drastically. "10:40AM There will be "significant changes" to R&D spending. Nokia will be cutting its research and development costs, but Elop claims it will increase productivity." | 14:34 |
| u19809 | sivan : nothing | 14:34 |
| fendel | slaine: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/live-from-nokias-capital-markets-day/ | 14:35 |
| niala1 | sivan maybe they will do a .net stage | 14:35 |
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| angasule | unless Elop is forced to step down, nokia is gone... | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | niala1, everyting will be silverlight | 14:35 |
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| LinuxCode | wp will not have flash | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 14:35 |
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| Milhouse | let's face it, nokia hardware is over-rated too. | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | and you wont be able to install anything , apart from through the MS app store | 14:35 |
| fendel | angasule: Nokia will not be gone, but it might become another Dell or HTC.. | 14:35 |
| CosmoHill | good thing apple forced youtube to move to HTML5 | 14:35 |
| av500 | 2 weeks later: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/nokia-cmd0096.jpg | 14:35 |
| angasule | fendel: that is gone for all intents and purposes :-) | 14:35 |
| LinuxCode | CosmoHill, I dont think they forced them too | 14:36 |
| fendel | Milhouse: True. How can Nokia compete with Huawei and HTC on speed to market and price only? | 14:36 |
| LinuxCode | I would imagine html5 is less resource hungry | 14:36 |
| slaine | fendel: that's not quiet the point I was making. They're spending most of their money on developing Qt and the frameworks to provide a tier-1 SDK for developers and creating a reference UX, a custom product UX('s) and applications on top of that. That's all expenses that Nokia and Intel are spending on. As well some on tailoring core os. But the benefits you mentioned are inherint in open source, you contribute and help others and at the same time reap the | 14:36 |
| slaine | benefits of contributions made by others. | 14:36 |
| fendel | angasule, :) true | 14:36 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 14:36 |
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| LinuxCode | he want sto bring in outsourced people ? | 14:36 |
| angasule | "Elop studied computer engineering and management at McMaster University" How does one study both computer engineering and management at the same time? heh | 14:37 |
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| av500 | computer damagement | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | angasule: easy - i have a mix in computer science and science history | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| HyperDUDe | lol | 14:37 |
| erstazi | angasule: he studied how people sit at a computer and program and how to properly crack a whip. | 14:37 |
| foolano | not being good at either | 14:37 |
| sivan | hehe | 14:37 |
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| erstazi | he speaks a lot of pointy hair buzzwords. | 14:38 |
| fendel | Nokia seriously under estimate the Koreans, the Taiwanese, and the Chinese if they believe Nokia can continue to sell high margin OEM phones to the masses | 14:38 |
| angasule | meh, I'm gonna be late for work, and unfortunately this talk sounds all too familiar :-) | 14:38 |
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| mece | He'll not be the CEO | 14:38 |
| erstazi | "if thinks go well today, I will be the CEO" | 14:38 |
| erstazi | hah | 14:38 |
| mece | I hope | 14:38 |
| erstazi | s/thinks/things/ | 14:38 |
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| LinuxCode | I would not want her job | 14:38 |
| bzhb | "if thinks go hell today, I will be the CEO" | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | buzzwords are evil | 14:39 |
| LinuxCode | she will be blamd if it goes wrong | 14:39 |
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| niala1 | fendel: i hope asian move on meego. that will be funny | 14:39 |
| niala1 | could | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | they also backfire horribly when someone understands them and points out you're an idiot | 14:39 |
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| Milhouse | You code in Symbian, but need to change? What do you do, code for Android/iOS, or choose Windows Phone? Hmm... | 14:39 |
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| lolloo | QT | 14:39 |
| LinuxCode | does android support qt ? | 14:40 |
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| LinuxCode | or is there a port ? | 14:40 |
| Milhouse | You have backed Nokia for the last 10 years, been shat on numerous times, what do you do? Continune to support Nokia or choose someone with a long-term roadmap? | 14:40 |
| KevinB | there android-lighthouse | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | if Android, iOS, WP7 and Symbian all supported Qt, it would be a lot easier to make cross platform apps | 14:40 |
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| KevinB | but nohting steady at the moment | 14:40 |
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| mece | LinuxCode, it's bbeing worked on afaik | 14:40 |
| niala1 | in fact.... why we need other phone than n900 ? | 14:40 |
| av500 | niala1: lol | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: cos it's a small brick? | 14:40 |
| LinuxCode | so I guess, thats where the devs will go | 14:40 |
| angasule | CosmoHill: and if pigs could fly, I would get to work in time | 14:41 |
| LinuxCode | if they are in it for the money | 14:41 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: good for muscles | 14:41 |
| CosmoHill | angasule: pigs have flown | 14:41 |
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| CosmoHill | sure it was with the use of a catapalt | 14:41 |
| angasule | CosmoHill: self-powered or it doesn't count! | 14:41 |
| av500 | hmm, cross platform, write in flash ... .or HTML5 | 14:41 |
| fendel | Gravøl.. A nice day for a beer | 14:41 |
| Milhouse | He's going to be busy, the bloke running HR. | 14:41 |
| CosmoHill | Milhouse: if he was smart he'd have a duvet day | 14:42 |
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| Milhouse | Patents: So Nokia just whoring itself out... | 14:42 |
| sivan | and I told my ex gf to get a C7 which is amazing but... | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | and -now- they replace NAM sales organisation | 14:42 |
| lolloo | ex | 14:42 |
| solarion | wow | 14:42 |
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| sivan | how is wp7 bring speed? | 14:43 |
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| lolloo | get more ex | 14:43 |
| Milhouse | Will Nokia be making Microsoft keyboards and mice next, using all that manufacturing capacity they have that won't be making phones... | 14:43 |
| angasule | sivan: slow speed! it gives you time to think about why you bought a windows phone | 14:43 |
| sivan | angasule: LOL | 14:43 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/aug09/08-12pixipr.mspx | 14:43 |
| HyperDUDe | hahahahh | 14:43 |
| LinuxCode | ohh look at that pic | 14:43 |
| LinuxCode | its the same guy who is CEO now! | 14:44 |
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| sivan | again creating a different industry | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | sivan: if you rage and throw the phone, the acceleromiter will register speed | 14:44 |
| bzhb | the new nokia : MS bitch & patent troll bitch | 14:44 |
| sivan | CosmoHill: the C7 ? | 14:44 |
| Milhouse | Elop. Fsck off. Now. | 14:44 |
| pentalus | LinuxCode: loool | 14:44 |
| sivan | he learned to pronounc! | 14:44 |
| sivan | dear | 14:44 |
| sivan | oh dear | 14:44 |
| CosmoHill | sivan, any phone you throw :) | 14:44 |
| * CosmoHill throws his phone at people and walls | 14:45 | |
| sivan | I have nothing agains Elop, he's not a bad guy, but where will be the speed in development? | 14:45 |
| sivan | I forsee WP7 plan is dropped in about 4 months | 14:45 |
| dwd | Has either Nokia or Intel said anything (at all) to the MeeGo community yet? | 14:45 |
| sivan | dwd: none | 14:45 |
| sivan | we are vaiting | 14:45 |
| jnwi | sivan: I think this change in strategy is different | 14:45 |
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| jnwi | sivan: This'll stick, unfortunately for us | 14:45 |
| sivan | jnwi: even if the OS fails? | 14:46 |
| DawnFoster | I've been here the whole time. | 14:46 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: kinda assuming to watch isn't it? | 14:46 |
| jnwi | sivan: The OS was never the problem | 14:46 |
| * Stskeeps offers DawnFoster tea and thanks for being around | 14:46 | |
| DawnFoster | As I said earlier, Intel is continuing with MeeGo. | 14:46 |
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| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, where is your cheque book ? | 14:46 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 14:46 |
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| erstazi | DawnFoster: I could hug you | 14:46 |
| LinuxCode | ohh there it is....thank you | 14:46 |
| LinuxCode | I contributed, by buying a i7 2600 | 14:47 |
| lolloo | wow | 14:47 |
| dwd | I guess the real question is whether Nokia will continue to develop (decent) hardware for running MeeGo on. | 14:47 |
| jnwi | sivan: The big problem was that their internal processes were consistently too slow | 14:47 |
| niala1 | stupid question: a x86 phone can exist ? | 14:47 |
| av500 | sure | 14:47 |
| lolloo | LinuxCode, any overclock? | 14:47 |
| erstazi | Even though Nokia has kept Meego supposedly on the R&D budget, I am doubtful of their intentions now. | 14:47 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: will intel have official statement to the community who has been putting its blood and sweat at meego sometime soon? :) | 14:47 |
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| LinuxCode | lolloo, 2600 doesnt overclock | 14:47 |
| angasule | niala1: not a good one | 14:47 |
| dwd | niala1, I'm told that Atom isn't *quite* power efficient enough for phones yet. | 14:47 |
| lolloo | seen many sights run 4.3 Ghz on fan | 14:48 |
| niala1 | :( | 14:48 |
| lolloo | sites* | 14:48 |
| DawnFoster | sivan: not sure exactly what the plans are for any official announcement | 14:48 |
| erstazi | dwd: from what I have known, Atom is a byproduct from Intel's agreement with ARM. | 14:48 |
| LinuxCode | yeah, intel needs to get a shift on with atoms, or start making arm based processors | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | oh crap, I have 10 mins to be at uni | 14:48 |
| sivan | jnwi: so why just make them quicker? gain more focus? reduce features for linux based phone and deliver an amazing experience? | 14:48 |
| DawnFoster | most of the US is still asleep - not quite 5am here | 14:48 |
| sivan | jnwi: *why not | 14:48 |
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| angasule | ah, well, off to the pixel mines, cheers people, at least Mubarak seems to be going down! :-) | 14:48 |
| DawnFoster | I've been up watching since 2am :) | 14:48 |
| jnwi | sivan: Probably because it wasn't working | 14:48 |
| dwd | LinuxCode, Intel have made ARM processors before. Still do, I think. | 14:48 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: oh :_) | 14:48 |
| erstazi | dwd: ^ | 14:48 |
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| jnwi | sivan: Let me whore out my blog instead of rewriting my position here ;) http://cool900.blogspot.com/2011/02/meego-saved-but-at-what-cost.html | 14:49 |
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| sivan | jnwi: but write once run everywhere? | 14:50 |
| jnwi | sivan: huh? | 14:50 |
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| Frye | It's still "planned partnership" | 14:50 |
| Frye | In the webcast | 14:50 |
| sivan | Frye: yes, thanks for reminding although cutbacks are planned so this is half way committed | 14:50 |
| LinuxCode | I like arm, but Id really love a x86_64 architecture, to make it easier for us | 14:50 |
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| jnwi | Yeah, they haven't managed to finish the contract yet | 14:50 |
| jnwi | it was said earlier | 14:50 |
| sivan | jnwi: good | 14:51 |
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| LinuxCode | if it were power efficient enough | 14:51 |
| Frye | It is very close to committed I'm afraid | 14:51 |
| Milhouse | royalty payments to microsoft.... hahahahahhahahahaha | 14:51 |
| dwd | LinuxCode, Yes, especially if there were an x86 ecosystem taking us through to the desktop. | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | they said royalty payments?.. | 14:51 |
| sivan | Milhouse: sweet mother of god! | 14:51 |
| LinuxCode | investment in OS' ? | 14:51 |
| sivan | Stskeeps: THEY DID! | 14:51 |
| LinuxCode | what OS' ? | 14:51 |
| sivan | WHAT OS??? | 14:51 |
| LinuxCode | they are ditching all the ones they were involved in | 14:51 |
| sivan | GUESS! | 14:51 |
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| LinuxCode | I think I figured all this out now | 14:52 |
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| LinuxCode | this is a major cost cutting exercise | 14:52 |
| sivan | ROYALTIE | 14:52 |
| LinuxCode | you ditch any r&d you do yourself | 14:52 |
| sivan | LinuxCode: ONE THAT WILL be taught in books | 14:52 |
| u19809 | LinuxCOde : yes I agree ... they need cash | 14:52 |
| LinuxCode | and let MS do it | 14:52 |
| jnwi | LinuxCode: yep | 14:52 |
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| u19809 | LinuxCode : all the rest is fuzz | 14:52 |
| niala1 | intel left windows adopt meego, nokia left his os and adopt windows.... who is stupid ? | 14:53 |
| sivan | protest is in place, I guess | 14:53 |
| LinuxCode | with a good wad of wishful thinking, that WP will take off | 14:53 |
| sivan | roylatie payments | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | so, of curiousity: how many of you are still interested in contributing to MeeGo and making it -the- future platform? I know I am. | 14:53 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: you read this? | 14:53 |
| sivan | Stskeeps: I am. | 14:53 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: me too :) | 14:53 |
| niala1 | i suppose intel will not have interrest in os (meego or not) for a long time | 14:53 |
| jnwi | Stskeeps: Sort of, but I want to know I'll have an actual device to use | 14:54 |
| sivan | Stskeeps: how do we make EUs though? | 14:54 |
| bzhb | http://twitpic.com/3ymf82 | 14:54 |
| jnwi | Stskeeps: otherwise, I'll probably get a Palm | 14:54 |
| DawnFoster | still here :) still working on meego | 14:54 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: even if it's around the N900 for the time being. Maybe we'll come up with something to attract Nokia back to sanity. | 14:54 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: we have the conference as planned? | 14:54 |
| sivan | alterego: yes | 14:54 |
| * lcuk slides coffee over to DawnFoster | 14:54 | |
| sivan | alterego: we should prove them the community can make it better and make sure it surpasses WP7 | 14:54 |
| alterego | Hey lcuk | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | do you think meegoboy will pop up in a few hours when the US wakes up? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still interested in bringing 1.2 and 1.3 meego ARM to release, at least | 14:55 |
| sivan | hehe | 14:55 |
| alterego | CosmoHill: definitely :D | 14:55 |
| * LinuxCode slides a piece of cake over to DawnFoster | 14:55 | |
| Naib | shame i like my n900 | 14:55 |
| DawnFoster | sivan: we still need to figure out what all of this means. should have more updates soon | 14:55 |
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| LinuxCode | virtual bribery ftw! | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | everyone agree to lie to him | 14:55 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: please send to meego community and spare no info :) | 14:55 |
| erstazi | CosmoHill: it is already 07:55 here in the EST (US) | 14:55 |
| sivan | I hae to get something to eat | 14:55 |
| sivan | I think I got an ulcer today | 14:56 |
| CosmoHill | "intel has left meego and nokia have gone for the iOS" | 14:56 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: maybe new meego nokia dev device around 1.3 release. | 14:56 |
| niala1 | sivan if wa can install a meego on phone like on netbook or pc yes meego will survire... otherwise.... | 14:56 |
| erstazi | DawnFoster: I definitely would like to hear from Intel as well. Thank you for being a community member. | 14:56 |
| sivan | niala1: yes, I wrote about it a year ago on the mailing lists | 14:56 |
| sivan | niala1: like meego on N8 | 14:56 |
| sivan | poor guy | 14:56 |
| alterego | sivan: it's not the end of the world :P | 14:56 |
| jonwil | I think we should push Nokia for certain info/things so that MeeGo on N900 can be done with minimal binary blobs and with maximum hardware support | 14:57 |
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| erstazi | jonwil: agreed | 14:57 |
| alterego | sivan: though I can think of a few scenarios where this could be the turning point of such an event :D | 14:57 |
| jonwil | There is no reason why GPS on MeeGo n900 needs to have blobs | 14:57 |
| eichi | damn, wtf is nokia doing? | 14:57 |
| erstazi | Now he is talking about R&D for Meego | 14:57 |
| alterego | jonwil: well, maybe there is :P | 14:57 |
| sivan | alterego: well, for some of us who meego and the nokia is a way of life and standing onto the company while getting tossed android job offers constantly and refusing them.. | 14:57 |
| jonwil | well if Nokia documents the isi/phonet calls for GPS on N900 | 14:57 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | alterego: MeeGo's in for a lot less interest if one of the two founding partners is going to MS. | 14:58 |
| alterego | sivan: I am in the same boat. | 14:58 |
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| sivan | alterego: pitching and idea to an investor while he laughs at you for targetting nokia platforms. | 14:58 |
| Milhouse | "harvest mode" - really hate that phrase | 14:58 |
| sivan | alterego: yes, I undersatand :) | 14:58 |
| LinuxCode | hah! told you so | 14:58 |
| LinuxCode | cost cutting excercise | 14:58 |
| jonwil | if Nokia documents those, a gpsd backend can be done | 14:58 |
| GeneralAntilles1 | One has a certain hate for Nokia these days. | 14:58 |
| Milhouse | "meego to drive future disruptive innovations" - ie. microsoft to cherry pick the good ideas from meego for windows phone? | 14:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles1 | First MeeGo last year, now this. | 14:58 |
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| sivan | GeneralAntilles: better go back to bed :) | 14:59 |
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| Milhouse | i wonder if we'll still have sudo gainroot in nokia+microsoft world... | 14:59 |
| sivan | so he says this might be the next disruptive technolgy | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | sivan: rolled over at 6:30, thought about it, then I picked up the phone. | 14:59 |
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| jonwil | WP7 has no root at all | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Went to the park to take pictures of the birds instead of brooding. | 14:59 |
| jonwil | WP7 is totally locked down :( | 14:59 |
| sivan | GeneralAntilles: and what the phone said? | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta be at work in an hour. | 14:59 |
| u19809 | So basically symbian out WP7 in and meego like maemo ... | 14:59 |
| LinuxCode | WP& is just...rooted | 14:59 |
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| eichi | and i bought my n900 2 months ago :/ | 14:59 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 14:59 |
| sivan | so it suddenlty feels to me the light point: | 14:59 |
| leinir | Milhouse: personally i read that as not the worst thing in the world... It means we'll get to do much wilder things with MeeGo :) | 14:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | sivan: "GO DIE IN A HOLE YOU FOOLISH OPEN SOURCE SUPPORTER" | 15:00 |
| smoku | Why are you so negative? We needed Nokia making money on Symbian to fund Maemo. Now they need to make money on something to fund MeeGo - let it be Windows... :) Microsoft is not the no1 evil anymore. ;-) | 15:00 |
| sivan | GeneralAntilles: right | 15:00 |
| sivan | GeneralAntilles: who was that? | 15:00 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: think iOS, walled garden | 15:00 |
| sivan | GeneralAntilles: same here | 15:00 |
| leinir | smoku: Totally :) Let's focus on it not being iOS ;) | 15:00 |
| alterego | sivan: look at it this way, less pressure for us all. | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | sivan: Nokia. | 15:00 |
| sivan | alterego: exactly I was going to say | 15:00 |
| dwd | smoku, That's true. Seems amazing that Google and Apple are now overtaking Microsoft in the Evil Race. :-) | 15:00 |
| chem|st | why do you people even bother? there is nothing to do for people like you and me in a µsoft+nokia world, so why do you even care... didge nokia get along with meego and try to get it running on !=Nokia-Hardware | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | leinir: let's focus on it not being Android. | 15:00 |
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| sivan | so we get the time to develop meego to be the alien all in wonder platform, | 15:00 |
| sivan | while wp7 is sold to investors and share hodlers | 15:01 |
| sivan | company gains more breathing room | 15:01 |
| leinir | GeneralAntilles: Hehe, and that, yes :) | 15:01 |
| sivan | we finish meego to be an amazing | 15:01 |
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| alterego | sivan: this is a brilliant strategy that Nokia developed to ease the burden of maemo and meego enthusiastss and developers from the annoying EUs :) | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just like to have a stupid phone I can use sometime in the next year or so. | 15:01 |
| Mece_ | actually this is a good time for N900. cssu, meego, lots of good stuff coming | 15:01 |
| sivan | and then in a year long we WIN | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That possibility is looking more and more remote. | 15:01 |
| sivan | BIGTIME | 15:01 |
| leinir | as for whether winmo7 is in any way useful, i've no idea, never got the opportunity to play with it :) | 15:01 |
| raster | sivan: the investors and shareholders spat the dummy at wp7 already today | 15:01 |
| raster | there wont be "selling it" | 15:01 |
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| niala1 | chem|st: yes do, personaly i havent the science to do that :( | 15:01 |
| sivan | elop leavs WP7 as a replacement for symbian | 15:01 |
| sivan | and meego wins | 15:01 |
| leinir | sivan: *nods* That's the spirit! :) | 15:01 |
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| raster | it will be "trying to put out the fires" | 15:02 |
| erstazi | Mece_: cssu? | 15:02 |
| sivan | WHo's coming wiht me to next meego con! ? :) | 15:02 |
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| Mece_ | community SSU | 15:02 |
| sivan | Mece_: in the meanwhile | 15:02 |
| erstazi | Mece_: ah gotcha | 15:02 |
| Naib | what android apps for n900 | 15:02 |
| dwd | sivan, I suppose there *might* be someone else... | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Two bicycle makers, from Dayton Ohio, one day decided to fly." | 15:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That guy should die. | 15:02 |
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| Jartza | whoa | 15:02 |
| Mece_ | erstazi, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 15:02 |
| leinir | Plus, of course, i'll say it again: MeeGo != Nokia. And Intel and all the other slightly enormous players are still steaming ahead, whatever happens with Nokia ;) | 15:02 |
| sivan | leinir: thanks, I'm starting to see how this can fold nicely for us | 15:02 |
| Jartza | the nokia announcement really kicked in | 15:02 |
| LinuxCode | If intel was smart, they would ramp up meego, which feeds into other distributions | 15:03 |
| erstazi | Mece_: already there (; | 15:03 |
| niala1 | i propose to all of our app are selling in win7p or android and free for meego .... | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | leinir: steaming ahead to . . . selling Atoms? :) | 15:03 |
| u19809 | Since he said : specific nokia experience on WP7, coudl that mean that Qt for WP7 and own GUI using the CE OS underlying ? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | 617 people in this channel, that's a lot.. | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frankly, who cares? | 15:03 |
| LinuxCode | allows manufatcuers to make chaper tablets, mobiles | 15:03 |
| sivan | leinir: as if Elop understands open source has much more thickness but needs more relaxed working mode and research to become best show in town. | 15:03 |
| LinuxCode | sales go up | 15:03 |
| LinuxCode | costs go down | 15:03 |
| Jartza | half of the meego and qt-courses got cancelled already | 15:03 |
| Jartza | nice | 15:03 |
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| sivan | Jartza: where? | 15:03 |
| leinir | sivan: Yeah :) | 15:03 |
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| smoku | LinuxCode, Intel just scraped meego for netbooks. My guess is they are going with Windows 8 for ARM. | 15:04 |
| sivan | leinir: but that means, that Elop leaves to us the community to help him unpaid | 15:04 |
| LinuxCode | smoku, ? | 15:04 |
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| sivan | leinir: unless the finish ecosystem gather more invesors other than nokia to finish to work | 15:04 |
| sivan | which I hope they do, as my contact said my interview today got cancelled due to personal reasons and not the events of today | 15:04 |
| smoku | LinuxCode, see http://www.wafaa.eu/entry/smeegol-nogo-meego-gogo-1-56.html | 15:04 |
| Jartza | sivan: iin finland. I teach for three biggest training-companies in finland. | 15:05 |
| DawnFoster | smoku: Intel hasn't scrapped anything on netbooks | 15:05 |
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| leinir | sivan: *nods* Yeah :) | 15:05 |
| alterego | sivan: sorry to hear that :( | 15:05 |
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| sivan | Jartza: ah I see :-( | 15:05 |
| Jartza | qt is not interesting anymore. | 15:05 |
| eichi | Mece_ i dont understand cssu. is this a repository, a new application manager, a debug mode? what is is? | 15:05 |
| DawnFoster | smoku: wafaa only works on the Suse port of the netbook, he doesn't represent the MeeGo netbook team | 15:05 |
| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, thank you for clarifying | 15:05 |
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| Jartza | why develop to symbian when nokia is going to kill it? | 15:05 |
| Milhouse | jartza: sad, but no real surprise. the take home from today is that Qt has just been killed off. | 15:05 |
| smoku | DawnFoster, quoted: "I spoke to several people directly and indirectly involved with MeeGo, especially the Netbook UX, about the lack of info on the Netbook UX. Each one of them said the same thing - MeeGo is putting the Netbook UX into Maintanence Mode, stopping any further development on it, and only providing bug fixes for major issues." | 15:06 |
| KevinB | Nokia self destruction 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... | 15:06 |
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| Jartza | why develop to meego when nokia doesn't seem to be interested of it. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | because its an OSS platform | 15:06 |
| Milhouse | And the future for MeeGo - even with Intels continued involvement - is highly suspect. | 15:06 |
| sivan | DawnFoster: poor Jaffa I confused them yesterday :) | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | meego isn't just for nokia | 15:06 |
| lcuk | and its future is not tied to any partner | 15:06 |
| Khertan | luck: it s not the only one ? | 15:06 |
| sivan | we have GENEVI | 15:06 |
| u19809 | Jartza : depends if the apps use the Qt layer, the OS does not matter, really | 15:06 |
| sivan | as well | 15:06 |
| sivan | and tablets | 15:06 |
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| sivan | I just wonder why Intel in Haifa are trying to optimize qt for windows... | 15:07 |
| Milhouse | lcuk: But they just lost their biggest supporter and getting products into the market. | 15:07 |
| Jartza | u19809: sure. but it seems that customers thought that qt==development for meego and symbian | 15:07 |
| Khertan | lcuk: and what wil happen to Qt ... this is the main question ... | 15:07 |
| Jartza | and when both factors are unknown, they are not interested | 15:07 |
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| * GAN900 eyes HP sidelong. | 15:07 | |
| * Khertan look at WebOS too | 15:08 | |
| u19809 | Jartza : qt and symbian should remain (said the CFO) so I presume perhaps also for WP7 since it looks that they want the move symbian apps to WP7 | 15:08 |
| LinuxCode | lol, thats something I didnt get either | 15:08 |
| GAN900 | Too bad I don't want a portrait-only device. | 15:08 |
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| LinuxCode | why HP continues with webos | 15:08 |
| Jartza | u19809: at least in finland the message seemed to be "symbian will survive for a while" | 15:08 |
| chouchoune | u19809: he said only .Net for WP7, no Qt ... | 15:08 |
| Aranel | Khertan: is WebOS open-source and "real" GNU/Linux, like Maemo? | 15:08 |
| Khertan | GAN900: yep ... this is what i think too ... and so i ll probably stay with maemo | 15:08 |
| sivan | chouchoune: he did? | 15:08 |
| LjL | Aranel: i really don't think it's very open source at all | 15:08 |
| Khertan | Aranel: real gnu/linu, not open source | 15:09 |
| Jartza | but companies don't want to train developers for platform that will exist "a while" | 15:09 |
| erstazi | Aranel: I don't think it is open source | 15:09 |
| niala1 | fuck off i have erase fucking slow win7 from my netbook and now win7 will enter to my phone!!! anyway!!!!!!!!! | 15:09 |
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| u19809 | chouchoune : i did not hear that ... perhaps missed it ? | 15:09 |
| Aranel | how? Real GNU/Linux but not open-source? what parts of it is closed? | 15:09 |
| LinuxCode | niala1, language! | 15:09 |
| chouchoune | u19809: it's written in the press documents Nokia released too | 15:09 |
| lcuk | wooohooo Mr Elop still writes on paper | 15:09 |
| toadpole | is this confirmed? -> http://noknok.tv/2011/02/11/nokia-n9-launch-meego-smartphone-set-for-shipping-this-year/ | 15:09 |
| Khertan | Aranel: the ui, and the framework ui | 15:09 |
| erstazi | Aranel: they use the Linux Kernel | 15:09 |
| lcuk | I hope his handwriting is clear | 15:09 |
| Milhouse | Zune.... dear god. | 15:09 |
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| erstazi | Aranel: the rest is closed source | 15:10 |
| tzorvas__ | lets pray | 15:10 |
| u19809 | chouchoune : URL ? | 15:10 |
| erstazi | Aranel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS | 15:10 |
| raster | niala1: win7 != wp7 | 15:10 |
| raster | totally different os's | 15:10 |
| smoku | niala1, does anyone force you to buy windows device? :> | 15:10 |
| GAN900 | I just have to laugh at the people saying MeeGo will survive with Intel. | 15:10 |
| Khertan | Aranel: http://opensource.palm.com/2.0.0/index.html | 15:10 |
| leinir | toadpole: well, they said they would be shipping /some/ meego device this year... of course, no idea what that device will be, or indeed when it'll happen :) | 15:10 |
| erstazi | GAN900: DawnFoster said so. | 15:10 |
| raster | different kernels, different base os | 15:10 |
| Milhouse | Win7 == WinCE | 15:10 |
| Aranel | okay, it's another dead end for me if it's not oss. | 15:10 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: meego is way more than just hadset | 15:10 |
| Milhouse | s/Win7/WP7/ | 15:10 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: WP7 == WinCE | 15:10 |
| tzorvas__ | what did you expected? 5 meego devices? | 15:10 |
| toadpole | did Dawn mention anything about the handset UX? | 15:10 |
| toadpole | they closing development on that too for the time being? | 15:11 |
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| erstazi | toadpole: ask dawn | 15:11 |
| tzorvas__ | only one is fair enough for a platform that brings out its first release | 15:11 |
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| chouchoune | u19809: http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft.aspx | 15:11 |
| DawnFoster | handset is also important for intel | 15:11 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, if you say so. | 15:11 |
| LjL | Android is open source enough for me, sure it doesn't run X etc, but i think i'm with it | 15:11 |
| chouchoune | Microsoft will continue to invest in the development of Windows Phone and cloud services so customers can do more with their phone, across their work and personal lives. | 15:11 |
| erstazi | toadpole: the support is already there for n900, for instance. why would that be thrown away? | 15:11 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: sorry where are car/tv/phone ... sorry again... maybe elop is in true | 15:11 |
| Milhouse | presumably Nokia involvement in MeeGo will continue, slowly (more slowly). | 15:11 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: less R&D, for sure. | 15:12 |
| GAN900 | If nobody is shipping devices and no ecosystem is developing, it's all a bit academic. | 15:12 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:12 |
| Aranel | btw, won't Meego (as in meego of FSF, not "nokia meego team") make an announcement about this news? | 15:12 |
| av500 | LjL: nothing prevents you from running X on an android phone | 15:12 |
| leinir | GAN900: ehrm... It's hardly a secret that Intel've been trying to get into handsets for a while now... So yes, she does say so, and you'd be a silly bugger to not trust her on that statement ;) | 15:12 |
| LinuxCode | Goldman Sachs guy askingg a very good question | 15:12 |
| LinuxCode | -g | 15:12 |
| Frye | In the slides there was still budget for meego after symbian is totally out | 15:12 |
| Frye | R&D budget that is | 15:12 |
| DawnFoster | some examples: http://meego.com/about/public-support-meego | 15:12 |
| Jartza | most probably microsoft will just suck some money out from nokia phone division, and after a while buy the whole company | 15:12 |
| Frye | So I would not say it's completely dead horse | 15:12 |
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| erstazi | Frye: yep, something like 50% (or more) cut | 15:12 |
| av500 | DawnFoster: that list is a joke, that is all ppl that counted on somebody drving meego | 15:12 |
| LjL | av500: true, but it sort of becomes awkward. actually, i'd say that myself i'm content with the Android interface, and it even has some decent open-source software... i just understand the feelings of those who want "real" Linux, by that meaning X and its friends | 15:13 |
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| Milhouse | LinuxCode: Thinking the same as the rest of us, Nokia sales will plummet | 15:13 |
| av500 | lol: "Novell Announces Support for MeeGo" | 15:13 |
| Frye | The two bars were not in scale | 15:13 |
| DawnFoster | and Intel will continue to drive meego | 15:13 |
| av500 | what Novell? | 15:13 |
| smoku | Frye, I would expect a budget around the one Maemo had - just to keep it from dying ;-) | 15:13 |
| Frye | so I cannot comment on the amounts | 15:13 |
| Jartza | although, meego could survive if some other player did a good phone with it | 15:13 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: pssh, nokia's stock is already plummeting (; | 15:13 |
| Jartza | or a good tablet | 15:13 |
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| LinuxCode | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/11/open-letter-from-ceo-stephen-elop-nokia-and-ceo-steve-ballmer-microsoft/#comment-144684978 | 15:13 |
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| LinuxCode | hahah read the comments | 15:13 |
| av500 | LjL: well, if "real linux" means X in 2011 I cant help you :) | 15:13 |
| tzorvas__ | DawnFoster: MeeGo development will be continued with the same speed? by Nokia side. | 15:13 |
| leinir | erstazi: started this morning, yeah :) | 15:13 |
| leinir | tzorvas__: reduced some, but looking at the graph they presented, surprisingly little, considering :) | 15:14 |
| Khertan | tzorvas__: so it ll stay slow ... | 15:14 |
| LjL | av500: let's say "personal computer-like" Linux | 15:14 |
| Milhouse | "I trust Nokia" - he's having a larf! | 15:14 |
| av500 | LjL: you want a PC in your phone? | 15:14 |
| * Aranel checks the calendar, it's not april 1st :| | 15:14 | |
| * LjL rolls eyes | 15:14 | |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: yes i know, i m interresting in meego since day one. i have installed it for my friend (even mp3!!) but i m very disapointed today. | 15:14 |
| toadpole | ( DawnFoster ): what do you think, would it be worth pursuing MeeGo at this point? or is it going to progress too slowly to depend on it? | 15:14 |
| LjL | av500: i don't. read what i said again :P | 15:14 |
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| av500 | LjL: :) | 15:15 |
| * openstandards really would like to see nokia using kde's plasma for meego | 15:15 | |
| Milhouse | Elop really believes people will continue to buy Nokia/WP7 through loyalty... | 15:15 |
| av500 | they will | 15:15 |
| LjL | av500: (although i'd certainly like a device like my trusty Psion 5, except a bit more up to date) | 15:15 |
| toadpole | i won't, thats for sure | 15:15 |
| openstandards | I'll stick to my n900 | 15:15 |
| openstandards | :D | 15:15 |
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| toadpole | ( openstandards ): same here | 15:15 |
| av500 | 621 nicks in this channel will not make a dent in any phone sale | 15:15 |
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| Milhouse | av500: If a Symbian user is going to make a switch, there's plenty of better choices than WP7... sure I know some people have remained loyal to Nokia for years, but this might be a step too far. | 15:16 |
| niala1 | Milhouse: people want a nice look they don't care abour Os. thats the true... | 15:16 |
| Frye | I smell that Nokia is being set up to be sold | 15:16 |
| openstandards | I love my n900 so much its my best friend or atleast i feel it is | 15:16 |
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| Jartza | maybe time is right for another spinoff-company. take best of people who are willing to leave nokia and take the severance package, put up a smaller company and start making only meego-phones :) | 15:16 |
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| Milhouse | niala1: Nokia hardware is vastly over-rated - plenty of "nice" looking phones out there that don't have a Nokia logo. | 15:16 |
| toadpole | ( Milhouse ): yup, i've been using nokia phones for 15 years now | 15:16 |
| av500 | Milhouse: same for meego | 15:16 |
| Jartza | nokia has created lot of spinoffs anyway during its history | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jartza: makes me wonder if there's more innovation in that approach really | 15:16 |
| GAN900 | leinir, the "Atom everywhere" story is not one I'm interested in. | 15:17 |
| openstandards | niala1: I care about what OS my phone uses actually and so do two others I know that have brought the n900 | 15:17 |
| niala1 | #meego is animated like in dublin conf ... | 15:17 |
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| leinir | Just to point this out - http://www.thelins.se/johan/blog/2011/02/meego-and-qt/ (and so's my current employer www.kogmbh.net ;) ) | 15:17 |
| Khertan | niala1: and they want apps on their phone ... and a fashion phone and os ... WP is far from having the best ecosystem, and microsoft name on an os isn't something fashion | 15:17 |
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| Jartza | Stskeeps: at least the spinoff wouldn't need to do anything with symbian, and they wouldn't have a history of slow moving :) | 15:17 |
| niala1 | openstandards: me to i want a open phone. nokia or anything else | 15:18 |
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| openstandards | niala1: to say _no_one cares would be stupid, sure the average joe doesn't expect how well it works | 15:18 |
| Milhouse | Khertan: It's just about reducing R&D cost | 15:18 |
| Cyuonut | Osittain. Kuis? | 15:18 |
| Cyuonut | Sorry, wrong window. | 15:18 |
| GAN900 | Intel's just as likely to pursue Android. | 15:18 |
| GAN900 | They're not selling to you or me. | 15:18 |
| av500 | since when does intel care about the OS? | 15:19 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: Might as well, Google already target the same areas, and actually have product in the market and an ecosystem | 15:19 |
| Khertan | Milhouse: it s just about suicide | 15:19 |
| tzorvas__ | can we remember something? WP7 phones comes out with standar HW inside them. Also Nokia wont have the need of building an ecosystem etc. Anyone that would like to buy a WP7 device would buy propably an Nokia device. anyone that was expected of a MeeGo device will have the option to buy a Nokia MeeGo device. but what about developers? what about meego? will nokia take advantage of WP7 so will sell devices easier and make her income b | 15:19 |
| Milhouse | Khertan: Agreed. | 15:19 |
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| mece | bäck | 15:19 |
| niala1 | i persist, people don't buy iphone, other compagny didn't copy 'store application system. | 15:19 |
| slaine | GAN900: Intel are already involved in Android and ChromeOS iirc | 15:19 |
| mece | have they said anything interesting? | 15:19 |
| av500 | jayabharath: he | 15:19 |
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| tzorvas__ | also i cant understand why MeeGo is open source now. it was and before this day and it will be open source until it will be dead. | 15:20 |
| DawnFoster | av500: Intel cares about OS - did you know that Intel is one of the top contributors to the Linux kernel (for example) | 15:20 |
| jayabharath | av500: hello | 15:20 |
| * jonwil wishes he could find someone who has contacts at nokia and can ask about possibility of n900 GPS isi/phonet info and some other stuff :P | 15:20 | |
| Khertan | niala1: people buy iphone because it s fashion ... microsoft didn't sell wp7 because it s not | 15:20 |
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| sivan | DawnFoster: I know, IBM as well :) | 15:20 |
| openstandards | I'm surprised nokia don't push meego more now that android apps can be used on maemo | 15:20 |
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| slaine | Hey DawnFoster, you're either up early or very late | 15:20 |
| av500 | DawnFoster: sure, but that does not favor any OS flavor, android, webos, meego | 15:20 |
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| av500 | all run linux kernel | 15:20 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: I got *up* at 2am :) | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | wow, even shareholders are outraged | 15:20 |
| raster | tzorvas__: all fine and good - but to get anything to boot.. letalone WORK... lets say.. oooh.. have fully baked opengl drivers.. or any AT ALL... requires the vendor actualyl do it | 15:20 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: dedication ;) | 15:20 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:20 |
| sivan | LinuxCode: where? | 15:20 |
| raster | and make the product tailored around that os | 15:21 |
| DawnFoster | av500: Intel works with all of the major operating systems | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | "as a shareholder and long term customer I can only say I am outraged. Steve Elop - your Companies Stock is just loosing around 12% in the European Stock exchanges. | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | But you might not care as you probably still have more MSFT stock from your time there.... | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | Nokia board how - how could you choose such a guy to run "our" company " | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | to quote a comment | 15:21 |
| raster | in the arm/handset world.. this is the reality of it | 15:21 |
| av500 | DawnFoster: I know that | 15:21 |
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| raster | if the vendor is going to push 1 os and relegate another | 15:21 |
| av500 | DawnFoster: but meego is not a major operating system | 15:21 |
| mece | what's the word on Qt for WP7? | 15:21 |
| LinuxCode | av500, yet | 15:21 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: either dedication or insanity :) | 15:21 |
| raster | the relgated one - even if open.. wont be of much use on anything except the device(s) it is supported on | 15:21 |
| sivan | so if htere's apath tomigrate from symbian, that sounds like meego will be the future | 15:21 |
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| slaine | mece: non existant | 15:21 |
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| raster | mece: no qt on qp7 from nok | 15:21 |
| sivan | and only for the time being it will be reduced in investemnt so we work for free | 15:21 |
| raster | thats the word | 15:22 |
| LinuxCode | av500, and as I said earlier, meego stuff feeds into other distributions | 15:22 |
| mece | raster, slaine, but WHY????? | 15:22 |
| DawnFoster | av500: Intel has made a lot of contributions to MeeGo and will continue to contribute | 15:22 |
| av500 | DawnFoster: ok | 15:22 |
| slaine | LinuxCode: that's a non comment to be honest | 15:22 |
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| mece | Qt for WP7 is the only positive thing I can imagine that would come out from this. | 15:22 |
| raster | mece: why is it this way? | 15:22 |
| av500 | LinuxCode: yes, since meego is a distribution as well | 15:22 |
| slaine | Other distros feed MeeGo, that's how all this oss stuff works | 15:22 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: have intel the money to buy nokia and arm? :) joke | 15:23 |
| mece | raster, yes. I mean there's Qt for desktop windows | 15:23 |
| raster | oh why no qt for wp7 | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | slaine, exactly | 15:23 |
| raster | duno thats what nok says | 15:23 |
| fendel | This might be the Microsoft strategy: Get the WP7 into the market. Make a new version of XBox. Sell extra services to the Xbox trough WP7. WP7 becomes a hit trough games on Xbox | 15:23 |
| raster | link somewhere in the scrollback here | 15:23 |
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| smoku | openstandards, Linaro is using kde plasma for handset UI - you may wanna check it out :) | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | but meego devs do a lot on netbooks, mobile devices as a whole | 15:23 |
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| LinuxCode | we dont do much with that | 15:23 |
| niala1 | :( pfff i can't launch qtcreator today :( | 15:23 |
| LinuxCode | althought we have some dedicated arm people | 15:23 |
| openstandards | av500: the telepathy framework that maemo used for the n700...etc made it into gnome and is used by empathy, thats a basic example of some of the eco system around maemo which no doubt will be the same with meego | 15:24 |
| Milhouse | low cost WP7 phones... you're still paying a royalty, dumb ass. | 15:24 |
| Milhouse | (at Elop, btw) | 15:24 |
| LinuxCode | Milhouse, probably the r&d budegt end | 15:24 |
| Milhouse | Robbing Peter to pay Paul... | 15:25 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: has anyone asked a question (in the Q/A session) about Meego yet? (I had to walk away for a few minutes) | 15:25 |
| niala1 | j #qt | 15:25 |
| ALLurGroceries | erstazi: none. | 15:25 |
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| Milhouse | erstazi: no - a guy from JP Morgan just asked if WP7 could reach to down to the very low end that is serviced by Symbian, or would another OS appear at the low end. Elop reckons Nokia have the skill/experience to take WP7 down to the very low end... I doubt it. | 15:26 |
| fendel | mece: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/ | 15:26 |
| erstazi | Milhouse: agreed | 15:26 |
| mece | FUUUUUUUUU | 15:26 |
| Milhouse | I know the guy asking from UBS... :) | 15:27 |
| openstandards | smoku got a link at all for me and what os is it using | 15:27 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, text him and tell him to ask more about MeeGo. :P | 15:27 |
| fendel | http://planetkde.org/ | 15:28 |
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| GAN900 | How did we not see this coming when this joker was hired? | 15:28 |
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| Milhouse | GAN900: Does seem obvious, in hindsight. | 15:28 |
| LinuxCode | i knew this would happen | 15:29 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, indeed. | 15:29 |
| javispedro | The Joker =) | 15:29 |
| toninikkanen | well, when Rich Green was hired as Nokia CTO no-one saw Solaris coming... (which it didn't) | 15:29 |
| openstandards | I kinda did GAN900 however I hoped it wouldn't | 15:29 |
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| GAN900 | They're not going to bring in somebody new and stay the old course. | 15:29 |
| smoku | openstandards, http://www.linaro.org/downloads/ - look at right sidebar | 15:29 |
| mece | what openstandards said. | 15:29 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: Seems like a decision to win the US market, but lose market share everywhere else... and reduce costs at the expense of any control over your own platform destiny. | 15:29 |
| fendel | GAN900: :-) It was nothing new. It happens from time to time: Hire a ex-Microsoft manager, get into close partnership, sell the leftovers after failure | 15:29 |
| GAN900 | openstandards, self delusion, I guess. | 15:29 |
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| GAN900 | Milhouse, win the US market with WP7? | 15:29 |
| zr0 | RIP Nokia | 15:29 |
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| GAN900 | You know how long it's been since I've seen an MS mobile device here? | 15:30 |
| niala1 | fendel: +1 | 15:30 |
| LinuxCode | GAN900, I have never ever seen a single one | 15:30 |
| javispedro | fendel: it's called suicide-by-Microsoft. Happened to Palm... | 15:30 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: not saying they will, but surely that's the intent | 15:30 |
| GAN900 | iOS, Android, shitty LG/Samsung/whatever. | 15:30 |
| smoku | GAN900, I recon WP7 got very good press in states | 15:30 |
| GAN900 | If that's the intent, Elops an idiot. | 15:30 |
| fendel | javispedro: And many others. SGI is also a famous story | 15:30 |
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| GAN900 | smoku, not really. | 15:31 |
| Milhouse | Explains the cancellation of the X7 on AT&T and Neuron2 (T-Mobile) | 15:31 |
| mece | :( :( :( :( | 15:31 |
| mece | that is soo depressing | 15:31 |
| smoku | GAN900, so, you say they need to throw some money at AT&T? :) | 15:31 |
| mece | hey | 15:31 |
| mece | so.. | 15:31 |
| mece | maybe | 15:31 |
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| mece | we could hack meego onto the windows phones.. sounds like it :D | 15:31 |
| LinuxCode | booooooo | 15:31 |
| * javispedro ponders what the EU comission has to say as they're chopping R&D jobs for an american company. | 15:32 | |
| * javispedro stocks even more popcorn | 15:32 | |
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| fendel | GAN900: This is the move with the least risk for Elop. He can easily get a position in Microsoft or one of the other related companies if something happens. | 15:32 |
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| fendel | Safer for him than burning bridges.. | 15:32 |
| LinuxCode | tbh it sounds borderline corrupt | 15:32 |
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| LinuxCode | another good question | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | "throwing chairs in frustration" | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | haha | 15:33 |
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| jnwi | lol | 15:33 |
| LinuxCode | did MS pay Nokia | 15:33 |
| GAN900 | fendel, I agree. | 15:33 |
| mece | :D | 15:33 |
| mece | great question | 15:33 |
| mece | ok he's avoiding the question | 15:33 |
| kavacha1 | Paul allen's yacht spent half of last summer in Finland | 15:34 |
| erstazi | haha | 15:34 |
| erstazi | mece: of course | 15:34 |
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| kavacha1 | do you think he was making brown paper bag drops :) | 15:34 |
| LinuxCode | does his reponse make any sense to anyone ? | 15:34 |
| mece | hahaha | 15:34 |
| erstazi | LinuxCode: he skirted answering the question | 15:34 |
| openstandards | LinuxCode: more than likely MS has been lobbying for windows mobile to appear on a nokia handset | 15:34 |
| sivan | javispedro: we shoudl write them | 15:34 |
| slaine | Depending on how Nokia's investment in MeeGo comes out of this (assuming it's not heavily hit, I think Symbian is by far a larger cost) this might actually not be too bad for us. It may well mean that Nokia make enough profit and don't sink further in an Android dominated market. Meaning that we've not got a chance to catch our breath and make a killer meego handset ux | 15:34 |
| Milhouse | "invest significantly"... paying the same for less. | 15:34 |
| sivan | javispedro: EU can't afford to lose this jobs | 15:34 |
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| * georgem yawns at the idea of Windows handsets. | 15:35 | |
| sivan | slaine: yes, my thought | 15:35 |
| LinuxCode | Milhouse, yeah, with that R&D budget | 15:35 |
| Milhouse | slaine: i think Nokia have lost the belief they can do this on their own | 15:35 |
| sivan | slaine: however- doin that without money ? | 15:35 |
| fendel | sivan: Who cares? EU can pay companies to stay, but nothing else | 15:35 |
| LinuxCode | what was the marketing budget ? | 15:35 |
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| * mece vomits at the idea of Windows handsets. | 15:35 | |
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| mece | Qt question finally! | 15:35 |
| Frye | Qt! | 15:35 |
| dwd | Oh, interesting question... | 15:36 |
| LinuxCode | something just jumped into my mind | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 15:36 |
| aeneby | Hi ppl | 15:36 |
| slaine | sivan, that's what I meant by depending on the meego budget from nokia | 15:36 |
| LinuxCode | I have not seen a Nokia ad in years | 15:36 |
| Aranel | mece: +infinite | 15:36 |
| aeneby | quick poll: chances of Nokia handing Qt over to the Linux Foundation now? :) | 15:36 |
| georgem | mece: hey now. you can get on and chat with all ur peeps on xbox live :P | 15:36 |
| LinuxCode | whereas I saw motorola, LG ads all with android | 15:36 |
| ruskie | <-- has seen nokia ads and ads for nokia devices... | 15:36 |
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| LinuxCode | ruskie, which country ? | 15:37 |
| ruskie | slovenia | 15:37 |
| slaine | The spring meego gathering might be a more sombre affair than the meegconf2010 :( | 15:37 |
| fendel | sivan: The "American" internationals are even less Americans than Nokia is Finish. IBM fires people in Europe and USA on regular basis. They hire new ones in India, China, Brazil, and so on | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Is anyone aware if any moves have been made to approach Nokia about specs of W7 devices to run meego on? | 15:37 |
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| Aranel | where can I watch the stream? is it still live? | 15:37 |
| LinuxCode | ohh god, he mentioned silverlight | 15:37 |
| slaine | aeneby: dneary had a good point earlier. Perhaps Canonical will buy it off them ;) | 15:37 |
| ruskie | LinuxCode, what did you expct? | 15:37 |
| dwd | Aranel, Go to Nokia.com anbd you can't miss it. | 15:37 |
| sivan | 'that meego device' | 15:37 |
| zr0 | hahaha, silverlight | 15:37 |
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| Milhouse | Qt - incredible how Nokia have managed to turn a winning play into a total fail | 15:37 |
| Raim | LinuxCode: I can't remember any HTC ad either in Germany, but a lot of my friends use their android phones now... | 15:37 |
| sivan | we will evaluate qt's role... | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, my thoughts go out to the Nokians who're likely to be canned now or in the near future. | 15:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles is now off to work. | 15:38 | |
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| zr0 | Milhouse: totally agree | 15:38 |
| LinuxCode | Raim, because people know android | 15:38 |
| Milhouse | GeneralAntilles: Seconded. | 15:38 |
| Aranel | "not as part of another broad smarpthone platform strategy, but as an opportunity to learn." | 15:38 |
| georgem | I dunno. Qt has really been quite fail for a long time in my opinion. | 15:38 |
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| mece | OMG THE IDIOCY | 15:38 |
| Aranel | means "go to hell" | 15:38 |
| ruskie | basically seen ads for 'droids, nokias sonys etc... etc... though primarily from cellcos around here | 15:38 |
| LinuxCode | "the bet we have placed" | 15:38 |
| sivan | qt everywhere cancelled | 15:38 |
| sivan | nice | 15:38 |
| LinuxCode | bing...lol | 15:38 |
| openstandards | now to look for a new phone for the future | 15:38 |
| * LinuxCode face palms | 15:38 | |
| zr0 | to be honest, the N97 is what killed Nokia | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | sivan: apart from maybe on the low-end. | 15:39 |
| LinuxCode | bing aka ripped off google search | 15:39 |
| av500 | LinuxCode: nope, "palm" is dead too :) | 15:39 |
| sivan | SpeedEvil: but they will transitoin to WP | 15:39 |
| sivan | SpeedEvil: did not he said that? | 15:39 |
| ruskie | av500, palm palmed off webos to HP ;) | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | sivan: the very low end | 15:39 |
| mece | wtf is bing and why would anyone care about it? | 15:39 |
| zr0 | they should have put all their eggs into maemo/meego/whatever at that point | 15:39 |
| * av500 face-HPs | 15:39 | |
| KevinB | Who put Bill Gates hidden son on top of Nokia CEO :'( ? | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | sivan: the 'bring internet to a billion people' phones. | 15:39 |
| georgem | this is why I don't own a mobile phone :P... and no one likes to talk to me :( | 15:39 |
| dwd | zr0, In as much as way too much R&D went into making a semi-competitive SYmbian phone. | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | nokia phones will also now feature a windows button for all your smiting needs | 15:39 |
| sivan | zr0++ | 15:39 |
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| fendel | georgem: The main failure of QT: It was never sold in to Red Hat, Fedora, and Ubuntu. The change to LGPL had potential, but it would be to through out GTK | 15:39 |
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| fendel | georgem: A united Linux desktop would be helpful also on other devices and handsets | 15:40 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, we have loads of QT stuff in fedora | 15:40 |
| Saviq | mece: bing is a google frontend ;) | 15:40 |
| slaine | Mark Shuttleworth would love to see a Qt based GNOME desktop | 15:40 |
| sivan | maybe canonical will adtop MeeGo and make it with dpkg ? :) | 15:40 |
| openstandards | fendel: used kde 4 recently? | 15:40 |
| zr0 | as much as i like nokia hardware, i will never buy a microsoft phone | 15:40 |
| sivan | slaine: he's actually working on it , I think | 15:40 |
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| * JockeTF is disappoint. :( | 15:40 | |
| fendel | LinuxCode: And a lot of development of GTK related code.. Red Hat do not look very active in QT | 15:41 |
| slaine | sivan, starting the process anyway with Unity going to Qt/Quick | 15:41 |
| ruskie | fendel, why would anyone want Qt is beyond me | 15:41 |
| sivan | slaine: yes, surprised me but yes | 15:41 |
| openstandards | I ain't buying another nokia phone nor is my brother.... | 15:41 |
| fendel | openstandards: That is my point. It is good, but it doesn't get focus | 15:41 |
| slaine | and adding a dconf backend | 15:41 |
| sivan | slaine: I wonder where he'll go now with the focus out of Qt | 15:41 |
| ruskie | but then I'm not a developer... I still consider GTK to be the better looking UI | 15:41 |
| sivan | slaine: onwards SLiverslight | 15:41 |
| slaine | sivan, He may buy Trolltech from Nokia ? | 15:41 |
| fendel | ruskie: You prefer GTK? | 15:41 |
| u19809 | ruskie : are you serious GTK better than Qt ??? | 15:41 |
| angasulino | ruskie: ah, that explains it, GTK is horrible to develop on | 15:41 |
| sivan | slaine: right | 15:41 |
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| Aranel | "Please register below to access the webcast." | 15:42 |
| georgem | fendel: I think Qt went wrong way back when they decided not to go full FOSS | 15:42 |
| Aranel | oh really.. | 15:42 |
| erstazi | ruskie: GTK is horrible to develop with | 15:42 |
| angasulino | Aranel: lie, it's ok | 15:42 |
| openstandards | ruskie: you should see my desktop.... its sexy and smart | 15:42 |
| fendel | ruskie: The "look" is just a skin | 15:42 |
| * sivan goes to look at Canonical's job offerings | 15:42 | |
| zr0 | steve jobs is probably giggling right now | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | fendel, look and feel | 15:42 |
| angasulino | Aranel: there are no checks, no confirmation email or anything | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | aka user experience | 15:42 |
| ruskie | I love the gtk save/open dialog for one | 15:42 |
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| LinuxCode | fendel, red hat favours foss | 15:42 |
| angasulino | Aranel: they are turning into microsoft minions, lying to them is ok | 15:42 |
| Aranel | yup, "I'm the F*** You from F*** You Inc." | 15:42 |
| u19809 | ruskie : really ? | 15:42 |
| mece | yeah, diving forward into a wall | 15:42 |
| * ruskie puts a flame retarndad shield infront | 15:42 | |
| fendel | georgem: I disagree. The problem was that they did not go full FOSS. They could have been "the linux" of GUIs | 15:42 |
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| LinuxCode | and when I say foss, I mean as open as possible | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | u19809, yes really | 15:42 |
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| fendel | georgem: QT did have more in common with OpenOffice and MySQL. Closed, but open | 15:43 |
| ruskie | also qt for me looks way to much like windows... | 15:43 |
| Chani | georgem: so GPL isn't free enough, it should be LGPL. they do that and now LGPL isn't free enough either, you want what? GPL again? | 15:43 |
| angasulino | crap, I'm finally watching the stream and it ends? | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 15:43 |
| Aranel | angasulino: looks like. :| | 15:43 |
| Milhouse | mece: diving from a burning platform into a cesspool | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | who is that guy | 15:43 |
| Aranel | what happened to Qt btw? | 15:43 |
| mece | LOL that was weird | 15:43 |
| angasulino | hahaha this guy is funny | 15:43 |
| u19809 | ruskie : ok ... good for you | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | the legal guy | 15:43 |
| openstandards | I hate the fact that microsoft will now use this as FUD against anyone considering using linux as a base | 15:43 |
| mece | the disclaimer guy | 15:43 |
| mece | LOL | 15:43 |
| angasulino | I wonder if he does stand up comedy too | 15:43 |
| Aranel | They intend to not talk about it. | 15:43 |
| LinuxCode | terms and conditions apply, read the small print, it was all a lie | 15:43 |
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| erstazi | LinuxCode: haha I loved the guy at the end | 15:43 |
| sivan | openstandards++ | 15:44 |
| erstazi | openstandards: Meego is still being given R&D, so it isn't all over | 15:44 |
| angasulino | I had never seen a legal guy do that before | 15:44 |
| zr0 | erstazi: that'll change very soon | 15:44 |
| sivan | LOLOLOLOL | 15:44 |
| LinuxCode | angasulino, must be inherited from MS | 15:44 |
| georgem | Chani: I thinking way back. I remember at one point they had a lot of momentum then messed around with their license and freaked a lot of people out. | 15:44 |
| sivan | he almost choked | 15:44 |
| Frye | It's because the deal is not on paper yet | 15:44 |
| erstazi | sivan: all lawyers choke,… on money | 15:44 |
| LinuxCode | US companies love lawyers | 15:45 |
| Frye | So there could be an obstacle and the deal is off | 15:45 |
| sivan | erstazi: HAHA | 15:45 |
| fendel | One thing we have not talked about: What is a phone anyway? It is just a device that communicate with some defined protocols. Anyone can develop a phone as long as the standards are open | 15:45 |
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| zr0 | Frye: no chance | 15:45 |
| sivan | Frye: no chance | 15:45 |
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| Frye | Yeah it' a wet dream =) | 15:45 |
| sivan | Frye: listen to what he said at the end of the webbcast | 15:45 |
| dwd | fendel, My problem is that Nokia developed *nice* phones, and appeared to have an OS for them that seemed like it should be very good. | 15:45 |
| jonwil | stskeeps: ping | 15:45 |
| Frye | I listened it | 15:45 |
| openstandards | fendel: that was tried with openmoko which never took off | 15:45 |
| fendel | Phone hardware is mass produced standardized parts that anyone can buy | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: pong | 15:45 |
| sivan | Stskeeps: TSG and Community office needs a meeting ASAP | 15:46 |
| angasulino | georgem: the problem with Qt's license is *really* old and no longer relevant, and it has only become more free with time, also, if Chani is who I think Chani is, Chani knows this :P | 15:46 |
| Raim | fendel: we have seen with OpenMoko that it is possible, but also how hard it is | 15:46 |
| fendel | openstandards: It was just too early. | 15:46 |
| openstandards | fendel: which are locked down | 15:46 |
| Frye | There is this disclaimer on the press release too | 15:46 |
| Chani | georgem: I think you're misremembering. they started proprietary, then went GPL, then when nokia bought them it went LGPL to make it spread faster | 15:46 |
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| Frye | that the terms are under negotiation | 15:46 |
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| Frye | and it is currently non-binding | 15:46 |
| mece | quim tweeted! | 15:46 |
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| fendel | openstandards: The finished devices are locked down. The parts are cheap and get cheaper buy the day | 15:46 |
| sivan | mece: link ? | 15:46 |
| ruskie | Raim, the way I see it... openmoko was a death by commite approach | 15:47 |
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| mece | @quimgil: Still digesting, but I guess "MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project" = MeeGo/Harmattan-by-Nokia,including UX & apps | 15:47 |
| openstandards | fendel: since when have the parts been cheap? | 15:47 |
| mece | apparently he is shicked too. | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | fendel: 3G parts are not available in small volumes. | 15:47 |
| mece | shocked | 15:47 |
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| georgem | Chani: I probably am misremembering. I'm just remembering back in about 98 when people were freaking about Qt in KDE. Too many beers since then I guess :) | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | fendel: You cannot go out and buy 5000 3G chips. | 15:47 |
| Chani | georgem: ah yes, that was a looong time ago :) | 15:47 |
| openstandards | fendel: the parts aren't cheap at all look at the gaming handset openpandora | 15:47 |
| georgem | Chani: Seems like that might have hurt their momentum a bit | 15:47 |
| dwd | georgem, I remember when it was just K, but yes. | 15:48 |
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| Chani | georgem: that was where they started, though; their momentum has gone nowhere but up | 15:48 |
| leinir | georgem: the lgpl? Hehe, not exactly :) Look at the size of Qt DevDays if you need proof that it's going well ;) | 15:48 |
| openstandards | fendel: mass bulk is how they become cheap | 15:48 |
| fendel | SpeedEvil: That is changing. 3G and 4G is becoming commodity. 5000 units are a very low number. Intel announce their prices in 10000 units? | 15:48 |
| erstazi | SpeedEvil: don't forget HSPA+ suport (; | 15:48 |
| ruskie | Raim, they should have made the device and a shiny OS... THEN release it... so that people actually buy it and can use it... then they can hack on it... then take best of breed from the first run... again lock it down... polish it off... release... | 15:48 |
| Chani | man, yeah, devdays was huge... | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | fendel: perhaps. I diddn't mean that they will sell you 10K | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | fendel: Simply that 5K is no-hope. | 15:49 |
| openstandards | fendel: whos going to sell you the hardware? | 15:49 |
| smoku | fendel, disagree. the manufacturers of these "mass produced standardized parts" won't talk to you unless you bring $1M to the table ;P | 15:49 |
| fendel | openstandards: My point. Nokia was a player when the hardware was the difference. A mobile phone is becoming a PC and nothing more than a cheap pc | 15:49 |
| Matan[M] | KURWA!!! NIE!!! | 15:49 |
| * Matan[M] wanna kill M$ | 15:49 | |
| angasulino | yeah, Qt rocks more and more, I hope Ubuntu switches to a Qt based by default | 15:49 |
| zr0 | fendel: absolutely | 15:49 |
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| openstandards | fendel: i Disagree completely | 15:49 |
| erstazi | Qt is definitely easier to develop with | 15:49 |
| Raim | ruskie: the approach was to design both hardware and software with the community. it was more than just a open platform to hack on... | 15:49 |
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| niala1 | good for me i suppose now i can buy a n900 not to expensive. i can convince the seller that is phone is dead | 15:49 |
| zr0 | niala1: heh | 15:50 |
| smoku | Matan[M], a lot of people here do understand these | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Matan: TAK! | 15:50 |
| leinir | The Freerunner was a brilliant piece of kit... only problem was someone decided to market the thing as a phone ;) | 15:50 |
| zr0 | well, we could still get a meego device, as long as that device is the n900.. | 15:50 |
| openstandards | fendel: have you looked at the price of a openpandora? | 15:50 |
| ruskie | Raim, well then any such approach is doomed to fail sadly... | 15:50 |
| akikhaw | demo | 15:51 |
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| chouchoune | angasulino: they anounced they would support Qt inside Unity | 15:51 |
| fendel | openstandards: :-) I have followed the project. It might also been too early. They integrate communication in more and more devices. | 15:51 |
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| angasulino | chouchoune: until it's in active use, it doesn't count :-) | 15:51 |
| mece | from twitter: "@quimgil: Still digesting, but the Nokia strategy has MeeGo as a platform for open experimentation and mid term innovation" | 15:51 |
| openstandards | fendel: its only been shipped recently | 15:51 |
| ruskie | Raim, I find that often the better approach for the long term is a benevolent dictator... | 15:51 |
| dwd | fendel, You're kidding, right? Nokia led the industry for so long because of their hardware. People use 5 year old E71's because they don't die (and don't even run out of battery). | 15:52 |
| Andy80 | mece: lol :P | 15:52 |
| angasulino | mece: who is the source of that? | 15:52 |
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| zr0 | dwd: 3 year old :) | 15:52 |
| mece | @quimgil | 15:52 |
| openstandards | fendel: it lacks hdmi and all the other goodies and how long has it been in the procss of being made | 15:52 |
| Raim | ruskie: but it was the first try. we have now seen it is possible and someone figured out all the problems with that. we have also seen, that it didn't work as expected. so we learn from this experience and move on with a new plan :) | 15:52 |
| fendel | openstandards: The market are changing now and the next few years. Android has opened up a market for off the shelf mobile phone hardware | 15:52 |
| ruskie | Raim, yeah... but that takes time and a lot of cost... | 15:52 |
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| openstandards | fendel: the embedded market won't change that much | 15:53 |
| ruskie | while if you were to design a contraption from the ground up with your own OS but allow hacking to others... you could actually be making money to support other things... | 15:53 |
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| treebeen` | man, this elop dude, i hope he goes down with wp7 and nokia | 15:53 |
| dwd | zr0, Hmm. Yeah, probably. Mine's only 18 months. Up for a replacement, but I have no clue what to replace it *with*, now. | 15:53 |
| ruskie | Raim, see always innovating touchbook and now smartbook | 15:53 |
| zr0 | fendel: totally agree, smartphone hardware will be marginalized further and further just like PC hw back in the day | 15:53 |
| mece | @quimgil: Question to those asking me questions: thinking in business terms like CEOs have to think, would made a different choice? | 15:53 |
| mece | @quimgil: And question to myself, shared among freedom lovers: does the standard Linux stack we all know have a future as 4th mobile ecosystem? | 15:53 |
| ruskie | treebeen`, he'll just jump back to microsoft for a nice big fat bonus for helping take out nokia... | 15:53 |
| alterego | "midterm innovation" :/ | 15:54 |
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| smoku | chouchoune, there is a QML based rewrite of unity | 15:54 |
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| GAN900 | Johnny Cash makes for excellent theme music for this Friday. | 15:54 |
| zr0 | midterm innovation.. more like midterm abortion | 15:54 |
| mece | GAN900, Satanic Warmaster too... | 15:55 |
| angasulino | ruskie: you can keep using an old phone, they don't rot :-P | 15:55 |
| angasulino | I wanted an N9 with meego, though... | 15:55 |
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| fendel | openstandards: Been in China? Never seen as many variants of ipod as I did in Beijing in 2005 or so. A lot more versions that Apple make them self :) | 15:55 |
| zr0 | i don't see the N9 happening.. and I see Nokia's first WP7 device full of fail | 15:55 |
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| fendel | openstandards: They was much cheaper than ipod and had much more functionality and diversity | 15:56 |
| Aranel | I wonder where's the Nokia employees (Quim?) now? Don't they have anything to share about this matter, or do they have to "be silent"? | 15:56 |
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| treebeen` | ruskie: it is sick, nokia invested so much in QT and everything. it's like a slap into the face of too many devs. i bet they will be leaving the company | 15:56 |
| erstazi | @stskeeps: 100 MeeGo code changes mails during the night. Who said #MeeGo was dead? We are #MeeGo and we're very much alive! | 15:56 |
| georgem | I'm a bit worried that the library of iOS and Android apps are going to create a barrier to entry. | 15:56 |
| zr0 | Aranel: they're probably looking for new jobs | 15:56 |
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| fendel | openstandards, Sold as Apple iPod :) | 15:56 |
| angasulino | Aranel: http://twitter.com/quimgil | 15:56 |
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| Aranel | zr0: don't think so, they may migrate to "evil WP team" | 15:57 |
| av500 | georgem: might it be that that was what drove nokia to WP7? | 15:57 |
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| angasulino | I'd rather quit than make that switch | 15:57 |
| alterego | Only those not really interested in what MeeGo offer are saying it's dead ... | 15:57 |
| openstandards | fendel: most hardware is made by the same company but look at fic who produced the openmoko handset that failed because it couldn't been done in mass | 15:57 |
| georgem | av500: I don't know. I think WP7 is suffering from the same problem. | 15:57 |
| Aranel | angasulino: thank you =) | 15:57 |
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| angasulino | Aranel: np, makes no sense to retweet stuff in here | 15:58 |
| alterego | At least WP7 is ready (and already released) | 15:58 |
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| fendel | openstandards: Unsure how they produce all the crap of the day in China. But it is a lot of devices that they sell dirt cheap | 15:58 |
| ahiemstra | alterego: for some definitions of ready | 15:58 |
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| openstandards | fendel: people buy named brands for a reason they believe that name is better, not always the case however the point is nokia had a brand and that brand sold in mass | 15:59 |
| zr0 | alterego: you're in a state of denial | 15:59 |
| alterego | ahiemstra: not mine admittedly. But still | 15:59 |
| dD0T | erstazi: Meego on mobiles is imho dead. Without someone to make the HW and back the development it just won't happen. Too bad...I was looking forward to an n900 successor.... | 15:59 |
| treebeen` | alterego: yeah, and nobody cares, sales for windows phones dropped even further | 15:59 |
| alterego | zr0: am I? | 15:59 |
| Aranel | alterego: I would prefer waiting couple of years. | 15:59 |
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| erstazi | dD0T: that is from @stskeeps on twitter, not me | 15:59 |
| openstandards | fendel: how many copies of those ipod copies get exported and i've had cheap chinese knock offs before.... | 15:59 |
| angasulino | setting up manufacturing is usually a large chunk of the cost, but making a million more or less units doesn't cost that much (relatively speaking), so Chinese factories can easily make a bit extra... | 15:59 |
| alterego | treebeen`: I'm being devils advocate, I'm about as likely to get a WP phone as I am Android or iOS | 15:59 |
| openstandards | the software is generally flakey and feels cheap too | 16:00 |
| dD0T | erstazi: Just wanted to add my 2cents ;-) | 16:00 |
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| TuOki^ | http://twitpic.com/3ymf82 | 16:00 |
| erstazi | dD0T: there will be a Meego device | 16:00 |
| angasulino | I don't really like Android, I prefer something more open and with less java | 16:00 |
| fendel | openstandards: Sure, but they do not need to write software from scratch. The same as with TVs. They comes with Linux | 16:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | At 12:32 today - the talk implied that meego device would be a smartphone. | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't suppose anyone was recording? | 16:00 |
| zr0 | yeah, what's kept me from getting android is the mediocre hardware and battery life performance | 16:01 |
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| niala1 | erstazi: there will be a Meego device so terrible that he kill other nokia phone... i dream | 16:01 |
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| dD0T | erstazi: Didn't they just scrap the N9. Is something else even announced yet? | 16:01 |
| openstandards | fendel: but whos going to export the hardware and what about battery life? | 16:01 |
| GAN900 | alterego, problem is, if there's no money behind it, not much is going to happen. | 16:01 |
| fendel | zr0, I am not a big fan of "the cloud". I am not interested in putting everything online in a google account. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | dD0T: In another part of the talk it was mentioned that meego devices in the design process are becoming w7 devices. | 16:02 |
| openstandards | fendel: how many chinese laptops exist that do well? | 16:02 |
| smoinen | dD0T: n9 is not announced by nokia | 16:02 |
| GAN900 | Frankly, there's little reason for investors to want to see companies dump that money on MeeGo. | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | So N9 may well arrive | 16:02 |
| zr0 | fendel: totally agree, that's my other reservation with android | 16:02 |
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| fendel | openstandards: Battery: Time handle that. Others develop cheap off the shelf hardware that others can buy. Export: Why export? | 16:02 |
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| georgem | I don't need a smart phone. I have iPod touch I can use with wifi and play stupid games on and a prepaid phone that costs me $100 a year which I keep off most of the time incase my car breaks down. | 16:02 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia is bad for my health. | 16:02 |
| erstazi | dD0T: Elop said that there will be a Meego Device. whether they follow through with that is another story | 16:03 |
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| GAN900 | Second time in less than 12 months they've given me heartburn. | 16:03 |
| toninikkanen | "if you buy it in large enough numbers" I would say | 16:03 |
| zr0 | erstazi: not gonna happen | 16:03 |
| fungi | they prob have to produce a device as part of contract with intel, like microsofts sidekick thing | 16:03 |
| zr0 | GAN900: heh | 16:03 |
| dD0T | With them using WP7 I honestly can see no reason for them to pour any more money into that area though. | 16:04 |
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| openstandards | fendel: so these companies that produce "cheap" hardware, how will i get hold of one when i'm based in the uk i ain't going to china for a phone | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | openstandards: dealextreme.com | 16:04 |
| georgem | openstandards: ebay | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | However - the build quality and the software quality is generally not great. | 16:04 |
| av500 | openstandards: what do you want with a crap china phone? | 16:04 |
| fendel | openstandards: You wont. But they keep developing for their own market. A player gets good at their stuff from time to time and we got another rising star | 16:05 |
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| openstandards | av500: fendel is trying to say theres a market with cheap chinese hardware and i'm pointing out thats its got to be mass produced otherwise it will be pricey | 16:06 |
| mece | I'm out. tata | 16:06 |
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| openstandards | SpeedEvil, georgem had chinese hardware before and it was flakey and quite rubbish | 16:07 |
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| fungi | not everything from china is cheep crap, zte and huwei arent that far behind korean lg in build quality | 16:07 |
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| Stskeeps | just remember, all of you - all the contributions from nokia into MeeGo aren't lost. They're open source and public. | 16:07 |
| aholler | btw, anyone read somethingabout how much nokia has to pay for the wp7 the want to use to replace their r&d costs? | 16:07 |
| Milhouse | aholler: not specific amounts, no, but royalties they will be paying | 16:08 |
| toninikkanen | i wouldnt't be surprised if the cost was less than paying for thousands of symbian guys | 16:08 |
| av500 | aholler: I guess around $10 per unit | 16:08 |
| georgem | most stuff from China is cheap crap unless it has the backing of a non Chinese company :) | 16:08 |
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| dD0T | fungi: There's lots of high quality stuff from china. But most of it will be OEM or a known brand | 16:08 |
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| fungi | yup | 16:08 |
| av500 | aholler: with volume discounts | 16:08 |
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| fendel | georgem: They do all kind of stuff in China. They even export OK quality wifes. | 16:09 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, loool | 16:09 |
| Milhouse | toninikkanen: yes, but what they'll save is only to become one of the heard. | 16:09 |
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| LinuxCode | Im glad I didnt make a joke earlier | 16:09 |
| georgem | lol | 16:09 |
| LinuxCode | or your line would sound very wrong | 16:09 |
| openstandards | people will just use android.... | 16:09 |
| Khertan | fendel: but it s not cheap ! | 16:09 |
| aholler | av500: 10$ until they are dependent | 16:09 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, doesn't mean much if there's never any reasonable hardware to put it on. | 16:09 |
| fungi | <georgem> not really at all | 16:09 |
| fendel | Khertan: My wife came for free, but I have to invest time ;) | 16:09 |
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| LinuxCode | I doubt MS sells virus patches for 10 USD | 16:10 |
| Khertan | fendel: for the moment ... it s ll higher and higher during time | 16:10 |
| aholler | anyway, who cares about nokia, just another company doomed by ms | 16:10 |
| av500 | aholler: well | 16:10 |
| fendel | Khertan: :-) | 16:10 |
| Khertan | fendel: do not forget the 14th :) | 16:10 |
| millenomi | <delurk> | 16:10 |
| millenomi | I would have loved MeeGo in the mass market, or at least as an Android competitor | 16:10 |
| dD0T | GAN900: I guess we'll see some embedded / netbook stuff from the intel side of things. Though I can't quite fathom why you wouldn't use android / windows for that | 16:10 |
| millenomi | but unless Intel can build its own ecosystem | 16:11 |
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| GAN900 | aholler, only real chance of us getting a semi-open mobile device in the near future. | 16:11 |
| millenomi | it'll remain Yet Another FOSS Project For FOSS People. | 16:11 |
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| millenomi | And Embedded Manufacturers. | 16:11 |
| av500 | I still fail to see what intel wants with meego | 16:11 |
| millenomi | me too | 16:11 |
| millenomi | and I've talked to them twice | 16:11 |
| av500 | netbooks are win7 | 16:11 |
| millenomi | they do not seem to care that much. | 16:11 |
| georgem | av500: yeah. I know what you mean. | 16:11 |
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| millenomi | (I was contacted for AppUp) | 16:11 |
| smoku | av500, win8 for ARM :) | 16:11 |
| dD0T | aholler: I care. They own Qt. I like Qt. Without their runs everywhere strategy they have no reason to invest in Qt. Makes me a sad panda | 16:12 |
| av500 | smoku: its still "windows" | 16:12 |
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| millenomi | dD0T: LGPL FTW :) | 16:12 |
| millenomi | but no investments :( | 16:12 |
| dD0T | millenomi: Doesn't help without commercial backings | 16:12 |
| aholler | dD0T: qt doesn't need nokia | 16:12 |
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| millenomi | I know | 16:12 |
| av500 | dD0T: the code is out there | 16:12 |
| smoku | av500, yup. I guess that Intel is just covering all bases. Do we support Linux? Sure we do. | 16:12 |
| millenomi | but there's an exit route. | 16:12 |
| millenomi | at least. | 16:12 |
| openstandards | av500: car sat nav systems | 16:12 |
| av500 | openstandards: well | 16:12 |
| dD0T | av500: That's rubbish. Without backing by a company it's going nowhere | 16:12 |
| av500 | dD0T: like gnow? | 16:12 |
| av500 | dD0T: like gnome? | 16:12 |
| dD0T | av500: Ever heard of redhat? ;-) | 16:13 |
| dD0T | av500: Or cannonical? | 16:13 |
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| millenomi | heh heh heh 'cannonical' | 16:13 |
| openstandards | av500: redhat backs gnome big time | 16:13 |
| av500 | canonical came late | 16:13 |
| smoku | av500, for intel it's just commoditizing the hardware market. they need a glue to all the APIs out there | 16:13 |
| millenomi | </delurk> | 16:13 |
| openstandards | av500: ever heard of kde? | 16:13 |
| Milhouse | av500: Qt without Nokia (and more importantly, product support) has a bleak future | 16:13 |
| av500 | openstandards: rings a bell | 16:13 |
| dD0T | millenomi: -n for you ;-) | 16:13 |
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| toninikkanen | how was trolltech doing before nokia bought it ? | 16:13 |
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| av500 | so so i guess | 16:14 |
| mikhas | so good that it got bought | 16:14 |
| toninikkanen | not too badly since I remember they had to pay hundreds of millions for it... | 16:14 |
| Khertan | http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/1135263739290 | 16:14 |
| Milhouse | av500: Best thing Nokia can do is sell it on as a going concern | 16:14 |
| openstandards | av500: kde doesn't get as much attention as gnome for the fact that gnome has bigger sponsership | 16:14 |
| Aranel | I wonder who will adopt Qt. Most likely KDE, since they need it for their desktop projects. | 16:14 |
| fendel | openstandards: Would prefer if KDE and Gnome could find some middle ground. They are getting closer and closer, but still waste limited resources | 16:14 |
| av500 | sell it to who? | 16:14 |
| Milhouse | av500: And given that they are now driven by avirice than ideals, they probably will | 16:14 |
| av500 | kde has no money | 16:14 |
| dD0T | Aranel: KDE has no major financial backer. I doubt they could stem the development | 16:14 |
| dD0T | -c | 16:15 |
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| fendel | openstandards; MeeGo/Maemo/Nokia has helped to push pulseaudio, gstreamer,telepathy, and so on in KDE | 16:15 |
| av500 | so, maybe today is more a say day for KDE than for nokia | 16:15 |
| Milhouse | av500: Intel might be a good shout | 16:15 |
| fendel | http://planet.kde.org | 16:15 |
| Aranel | dD0T: I don't say that Qt will be the same Qt, with "cross-platform awesomeness, future of the development blah blah" | 16:15 |
| dD0T | av500: Actually I think Nokia will profit from this step. At least in the short run. | 16:15 |
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| Aranel | dD0T: It will become another way to do things, like Gtk, which is mostly used for desktop (gnome) purposes. | 16:16 |
| Milhouse | dD0T: Short term I think they'll lose money big time... who is going to invest in Symbian (development, or buying phones)? Symbian sales to drop off a cliff, and no WP7 phone until 2012. | 16:16 |
| DrGrov | Good evening | 16:16 |
| Milhouse | The next 2-3 quarters will quite possibly be loss making, pluss all the redundancy packages on top | 16:16 |
| DrGrov | This was a serious fuck up on a large scale | 16:17 |
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| dD0T | Milhouse: Symbian phones are mostly sold in contracts afaik. I very much doubt customers will know or care. It'll hurt their ecosystem though. | 16:17 |
| smoku | BTW, you know that GTK+ 3.0 was released yesterday? :) | 16:17 |
| fendel | Good things for the Linux dekstop: GTK 3.0 just came out. KDE has matured well with KDE 4.6. No crises | 16:17 |
| openstandards | fendel: I know this, I chat to a dev that got given a nokia n800 to hack on and another friend whos employed by nokia who was part of the symbian team | 16:17 |
| georgem | GTK 3 scares me a little bit. | 16:17 |
| Milhouse | dD0T: If you heard the news that Symbian is going to be killed off, why would you be interested in buying a Symbian phone? Agree that some people won't care, but this is not a good move. | 16:17 |
| dD0T | Milhouse: Though you might be right. It's not as if I've got that good a grip on the market ;-) | 16:17 |
| openstandards | ruskie: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/24/desktoprtd.png thats a kde desktop | 16:18 |
| RST38h | smoku: yes, but who cares about gtk+, when your platform is buuuurrrrrning? =) | 16:18 |
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| dD0T | Milhouse: The question is how many people will hear or even care. Though bad word of mouth can go a long way.... | 16:18 |
| smoku | RST38h, another nail in the coffin? :> | 16:18 |
| Milhouse | Share price now -10.75% | 16:18 |
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| DrGrov | Share prices will sky dive like never before | 16:18 |
| ahiemstra | openstandards: nice background :) | 16:18 |
| openstandards | to be far that ceo probably got something out for saying that | 16:18 |
| fendel | georgem: gtk 3.x gives room for discussions and changes without screwing up a major ongoing project. It is done and it works. Changes can now be discussed | 16:19 |
| Milhouse | dD0T: This is pretty big news, all over most news services - will be hard to ignore unless you live under a stone. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | smoku: more like a wooden stake | 16:19 |
| av500 | Milhouse: most customers that have a symbian phone dont even know that it is "symbian", they have a nokia phone... | 16:19 |
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| oilinki | I think Microsoft big plan is that they are currently clearing out Nokia and buy the mobile distribution skeleton after 1 year or so. | 16:19 |
| openstandards | I can see MS buying nokia stocks now | 16:19 |
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| dwd | openstandards, Might be a plan, they're pretty cheap now. | 16:20 |
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| georgem | fendel: I'll be happy as long as it doesn't break a bunch of existing apps. | 16:20 |
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| comawhite | I hope someone in the MeeGo area, will offically port it to us N900 users since I won't be buying another Nokia phone | 16:21 |
| dD0T | fendel: Even better for the linux desktop would be some consolidation instread of the diversification occuring atm.... | 16:21 |
| av500 | the single desktop to rule them all | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | comawhite: you are aware that a team has been working on this for a long time? :P | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, we even have camera working :P | 16:22 |
| georgem | As long as its not gnome | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | comawhite, too late | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:22 |
| dD0T | Stskeeps: Wasn't that port unofficial? | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | it already works on N900 | 16:22 |
| comawhite | Stskeeps, wasn't it never an official port? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | dD0T: define 'official' | 16:22 |
| DrGrov | Well, time to go and open a vodka bottle and get seriously hammered | 16:22 |
| av500 | Stskeeps: does it also make phone calls? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | av500: yes, it does | 16:22 |
| aruravi | /wc | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | av500: even has audio routing | 16:22 |
| openstandards | av500: devs have egos and those egos are what drive innovation | 16:22 |
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| av500 | Stskeeps: nice :) | 16:22 |
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| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, official meaning, not you | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:22 |
| MrCase | LinuxCode: working is something different. even maemo doesn't work on the n900 properly with factory settings. | 16:22 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 16:22 |
| comawhite | is there a way to wipe Maemo and use it natively? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | it was nokia employees + subcontractors + community doing it | 16:23 |
| dD0T | Stskeeps: "As good as if the phone shipped with it" | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | dD0T: meh | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | then no | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | and not "was" "is" | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | we're still at work | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:23 |
| dD0T | If it voids my warranty then weeeellll ;-) | 16:23 |
| oilinki | MrFlop will come back to Microsoft as an hero who bring Nokia under it's wings. | 16:23 |
| LinuxCode | you guys can dual boot if ya want | 16:23 |
| LinuxCode | meego site has instructions online | 16:23 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, does this mean N900 MeeGo might actually target day-to-day instead of "neat toy". . . . | 16:24 |
| dD0T | Stskeeps: Though I appreciate the work that has been done in that area. While not being what I actually planned (testing ground for future phones) I'll at least get more use of my n900 itself. | 16:24 |
| DrGrov | -11,27% NOK right now | 16:24 |
| openstandards | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WOZ_avFmA check out that guys | 16:25 |
| LinuxCode | shows 10.57% here | 16:25 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:25 |
| DrGrov | Is the whole press conference available? | 16:25 |
| LinuxCode | shocking | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i mean, we have power management in works, we have cellphone working, camera.. i mean, it could be more than a neat toy | 16:25 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps:is there any roadmap/progress bar/something to read about the process online? | 16:25 |
| LinuxCode | I thought after the press conference it would stabilize | 16:25 |
| lcuk | stskeeps, my liqbase analogy, I have barely touched it all year (have been obviously concentrating on Maemo, now Meego) but I walk around it quite often as a user and occasionally straighten up pictures hanging in the rooms and stuff. MeeGo will get there as long as there are dedicated people doing similar :) | 16:25 |
| DrGrov | LinuxCode: I check from Finnish sources, http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/porssi/porssikurssit/osake/?klid=1050 | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: track our status meetings every week on thursdays, we sent minutes out on meego-dev | 16:26 |
| DrGrov | -11,52% | 16:26 |
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| MrCase | worst decision ever. no idea why they didn't push meego hard and provide something like alien dalvik on their devices. | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yes, but is it the goal of the project? :) | 16:27 |
| dD0T | DrGrov: Negative feedback loop engaged. It'll take some time before the stock prices have any meaning again. | 16:28 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: okay ^^ I think n900/meego project is much more important now than ever, since many ppl -incl. me- wont ever buy any product from Nokia. | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: our goal is to deliver a complete hardware adaptation | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | Aranel: well, then contribute :) | 16:28 |
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| DrGrov | dD0T: Yes, it will take quite the time for stock prices to regain trust. | 16:28 |
| Aranel | Stskeeps: I would love to, I'm not skilled enough. I'm contributing to meego translations anyway :) | 16:29 |
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| openstandards | i wonder how many are thinking about buying shares right now as they are becoming cheap | 16:30 |
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| ahiemstra | i'd wait a few more hours | 16:30 |
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| MrCase | i'd like to know what the nokia employees think of this. | 16:30 |
| dD0T | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTCwf6dXZOg | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | MrCase: i think you really don't need telepathy to realize that | 16:31 |
| Milhouse | http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-strategic-mobile-partners/ | 16:31 |
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| openstandards | want to read something ironic | 16:31 |
| fendel | dD0T: I agree regarding the Linux desktop. KDE 4.x has matured and Gnome3 is on the way (GTK 3.x just came out). It might be openings in both camps to discuss without becoming a problem for ongoing major projects. | 16:31 |
| openstandards | http://www.gomonews.com/morgan-stanley-says-buy-nokia-shares-claims-n8-is-a-hit/ | 16:32 |
| Milhouse | -12.5% | 16:32 |
| micrypt | Stskeeps: Is there something like a "getting started with contributing guide?". I had a look through gitorious, wondering if there's a quick ramp of some sort. | 16:32 |
| dD0T | openstandards: n8 sold pretty well over here in europe afaik | 16:33 |
| leinir | Alright - for the doom and gloom around in here, read it: http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meego :) | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | micrypt: for meego ARM, show up in #meego-arm :) | 16:33 |
| openstandards | dD0T: i'm in the uk and don't know a single person with one | 16:33 |
| fungi | does anyone know what "franchise platform" means? | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Means "we'll milk it until it dies" | 16:34 |
| rauli | fungi: mcdonalds platform, like android | 16:34 |
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| dwd | fungi, "Do you want chips with that?" | 16:34 |
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| dD0T | openstandards: Anecdotal evidence? | 16:34 |
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| dwd | openstandards, FWIW, I don't know of anyone with one, but I had a tinker with one at FOSDEM and I was quite impressed with the device. Just a shame the same effort hadn't been put into a MeeGo device. | 16:35 |
| sivan | hope! | 16:35 |
| sivan | http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meego | 16:35 |
| Aranel | yes it is ^^ | 16:35 |
| sivan | leinir: thank you dan! | 16:35 |
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| DrGrov | I wonder what is the next phone then... Any suggestions? | 16:36 |
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| leinir | sivan: You're very welcome :) i'm just the messenger, mind, but... yeah :) | 16:36 |
| openstandards | dD0T: correct its only what I've encounted | 16:36 |
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| leinir | DrGrov: Well, either an avaa or whatever the thing nokia /will/ be releasing is? :) | 16:36 |
| openstandards | dwd: i was chatting to one lad in here last night who sold his n900 to his cousin as hes got one but thats it | 16:37 |
| leinir | (depending on whether you want atom or arm in the short term, i'm sure there'll be plenty other arm devices :) ) | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | Just to clarify ... MeeGo will be still under development for future Nokia devices right ? | 16:37 |
| ahiemstra | which will apparently be shipping before any of their wm7 phones... | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | though they maybe not be planning to release one soon | 16:37 |
| leinir | ahiemstra: *nods* it's too close to being ready :) | 16:37 |
| ahiemstra | xDaReaperx: as a "research platform" | 16:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | okay , so there wont be a real MeeGo smartphone as they planned ? | 16:38 |
| leinir | xDaReaperx: Indeed :) speculations are that it's their active fallback - the wp7 thing fails, meego will still be there :) | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | can't blame them, considering M$'s history | 16:38 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i really dunno why Nokia would abandon meego | 16:38 |
| dwd | openstandards, If I could pick up a cheap n900 I would. Otherwise I'll stick with my E71 until I see this Atom MeeGo phone that Intel have mentioned. | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | (fallback) | 16:38 |
| leinir | xDaReaperx: Sure thing - but rather than a whole slew of devices, they'll release one now, and then we'll see :) | 16:38 |
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| DrGrov | leinir: Noooo!!! Please no... Nothing with Nokia anymore. I will call Nokia and demand a full refund of my N8 | 16:38 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: it's a sensible approach :) | 16:38 |
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| xDaReaperx | Ah okay | 16:38 |
| MrCase | dwd: there are plenty cheap n900s on ebay and more to come i guess. | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i mean | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | WinMo not being a success for Palm caused them to develop WebOS | 16:39 |
| xDaReaperx | lol there's gonna be a high sale of N900 now | 16:39 |
| xDaReaperx | xD | 16:39 |
| sivan | leinir: indeed | 16:39 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: You were talking with me I presume about the N900? | 16:39 |
| xDaReaperx | i better get some protective casing for my N900 to prevent damange lol | 16:39 |
| openstandards | yep :D | 16:39 |
| * dD0T droppes his twice already oO | 16:39 | |
| leinir | Stskeeps: well... that /was/ the old winmo... wp7 is an entirely different beast... though, yeah, i never did actually try anything running it, so i can't really comment more than that of course :) | 16:39 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: you idle too much and sorry couldn't remember your nick | 16:40 |
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| Milhouse | Nokia on the up, hopefully a dead cat bounce... | 16:40 |
| xDaReaperx | dD0T : i don't take mine out of my house lol | 16:40 |
| Milhouse | (share price, that is) | 16:40 |
| jarkkom | problem is that winmo7 APIs are really limited (by design), there isn't really anything that interesting you can do with them | 16:40 |
| Milhouse | back up to -10.71 | 16:40 |
| Milhouse | % loss | 16:41 |
| dD0T | xDaReaperx: Its my primary phone so that's not an option ;-) | 16:41 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: No worries, I am idling because I am fucking breaking my left testicle with my Nokia N8 and rest of Nokia phones | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Milhouse: US market opening? | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | aye | 16:41 |
| lindi- | Milhouse: which site do you use to track that? yahoo finance had some flash stuff last time I checked | 16:41 |
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| openstandards | Milhouse: what do you expect Microsoft have just brought alot :) | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | just looking at google finance | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=NYSE%3ANOK | 16:41 |
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| xDaReaperx | Ah yeah ... i wasn't planning on using it as my primary device | 16:42 |
| xDaReaperx | i felt it was too delicate | 16:42 |
| Milhouse | safe to say the markets are not liking todays announcement... | 16:42 |
| xDaReaperx | Nokia makes its decisions too quickly | 16:42 |
| Frye | -11.12 now | 16:42 |
| xDaReaperx | they should have though of this before | 16:42 |
| Milhouse | -11.40% | 16:43 |
| xDaReaperx | but no use complaining now | 16:43 |
| openstandards | this new ceo wont last long | 16:43 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:43 |
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| Frye | <wishful thinking> | 16:43 |
| lindi- | Milhouse: that is just uncool. "For the ubercool interactive charts, you need to install the Adobe Flash Player" | 16:43 |
| Frye | IF they manage to get a short term cash horse out of this | 16:43 |
| dD0T | xDaReaperx: Dropped twice from 1m onto concrete. Only scratched the bevel a bit. The thing is amazingly robust ;-) | 16:43 |
| Frye | The it could be ok decision | 16:43 |
| Milhouse | boardroom coup, reverse all his decisions, got to be a total win | 16:43 |
| Frye | However I have hard time seeing that | 16:43 |
| Frye | </wishful thinking> | 16:43 |
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| dD0T | xDaReaperx: Dropped twice from 1m onto concrete. Only scratched the bevel a bit. The thing is amazingly robust ;-) | 16:44 |
| Milhouse | Finnish government nationalises Nokia... :) | 16:44 |
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| ahiemstra | hahaha | 16:44 |
| dD0T | Milhouse: Haha. From what I hear Nokia is big industry over there | 16:44 |
| xDaReaperx | dD0T : oh lol i dunno i'm kind of paranoid xD | 16:44 |
| Milhouse | HUGE | 16:44 |
| niala1 | what about qt/meego/intel-and-the-other | 16:44 |
| ahiemstra | yeah, there's a few towns that are more like nokia factories | 16:44 |
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| ahiemstra | niala1: http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meego | 16:45 |
| javispedro | Milhouse: boardroom agrees with elop.. | 16:45 |
| Milhouse | Granted Nokia can be made more efficient, but this isn't the way to do it... | 16:45 |
| dD0T | ahiemstra: Then I guess Nokia better performs well so those ppl. can keep their jobs | 16:45 |
| Milhouse | -11.76% | 16:45 |
| DrGrov | -12.00% | 16:45 |
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| Milhouse | was a dead cat bounce, phew | 16:45 |
| DrGrov | I use this, http://www.finanzen.net/realtimekurs/Nokia | 16:45 |
| openstandards | wow haven't seen stocks drop like that for a while | 16:46 |
| Milhouse | wonder how low it will go today... 52 week low is $8 | 16:46 |
| Milhouse | currently $9.60 | 16:46 |
| openstandards | microsoft to the rescue.... | 16:46 |
| ahiemstra | dD0T: yeah, otherwise they will have problems | 16:46 |
| DrGrov | I am not so angry about Nokia in that sense. I am mostly angry since It will fuck us Finns royally | 16:46 |
| openstandards | microsoft will bail out nokia for windows mobile | 16:47 |
| obit_sweden | -13.6 | 16:47 |
| chouchoune | hahaha, all these analysts calling for a WM7 strategy are now selling their shares | 16:47 |
| openstandards | they are the only ones really interested in it | 16:47 |
| chouchoune | fucking liberal economy !!! | 16:47 |
| Milhouse | -11.95% on NASDAQ, -13% on EUR markets | 16:47 |
| Milhouse | This is working out well... | 16:47 |
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| ahiemstra | Milhouse: :p | 16:48 |
| zumbi | http://twitter.com/#!/jesuscliment/status/36070015975292928 | 16:48 |
| ahiemstra | at least it is pretty clear what most people think of it | 16:48 |
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| zumbi | http://twitter.com/#!/jesuscliment/statuses/36056821592494080 | 16:48 |
| Milhouse | DrGrov: Technlogy wise, the board just sold Finland down the river | 16:48 |
| openstandards | LOL | 16:49 |
| Milhouse | DrGrov: Nokia is just a manufacturing company, putting components together. | 16:49 |
| DrGrov | Milhouse: Yes and that makes me fucking insane over here | 16:49 |
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| Milhouse | http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Yli%2Btuhat%2Bnokialaista%2Bmarssi%2Bty%25C3%25B6paikaltaan/1135263739290&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgEHALXdzVTBWLv8b2sDbMXXfIZ6A | 16:49 |
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| openstandards | i just watched that openletter vid and well it made me laugh | 16:49 |
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| Milhouse | This union isn't going to happen quietly | 16:50 |
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| openstandards | windows mobile will bring services users want.... "bing" | 16:50 |
| openstandards | sorry but bing is terrible | 16:50 |
| Milhouse | "Over a thousand Nokia employees walk out in protest in Tampere, Finland." | 16:50 |
| DrGrov | Bing is a fucking joke | 16:50 |
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| DrGrov | How about this? | 16:50 |
| treebeen` | openstandards: heh, yeah, I LOLD at that one too | 16:50 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:50 |
| Milhouse | I could care less about Bing - Nokia don't do search, so it doesn't matter to me | 16:50 |
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| DrGrov | I call Nokia Monday and demand a fucking refund on all my Nokia phones. Especially the N8 | 16:51 |
| openstandards | DrGrov: i acctually laughed | 16:51 |
| dD0T | openstandards: windows mobile will bring revenue nokia & microsoft want *bing* (at least that's the plan I guess ;-) ) | 16:51 |
| av500 | DrGrov: and you will get a refund why? | 16:51 |
| ahiemstra | Milhouse: too bad the google translation of that article is terrible | 16:51 |
| openstandards | dD0T: this is win/win for microsoft excuse the phun but they have a brand now | 16:51 |
| Milhouse | -12.41% NASDAQ | 16:52 |
| ahiemstra | openstandards: that's quite clear yes | 16:52 |
| DrGrov | av500: I have no idea why but at least I will make Nokia understand from a consumer standpoint how it feels to be royally fucked, not only as a customer but as a country in whole | 16:52 |
| Milhouse | ahiemstra: blame google :) | 16:52 |
| ahiemstra | Milhouse: ;) | 16:52 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: how long have you had that fun for? | 16:52 |
| openstandards | phone lool | 16:53 |
| dD0T | openstandards: Sure was the best thing that could happen for WP7. Nokia is still huge (the biggest in everything but smartphones) in the mobile market worldwide. | 16:53 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: Explain better what you mean | 16:53 |
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| openstandards | DrGrov: your n8 how long have you had it for? | 16:54 |
| dD0T | 1,5k ppl. working on symbian. Wow. That's a lot. | 16:54 |
| DrGrov | openstandards: Since day 1 of the release | 16:54 |
| openstandards | damn | 16:54 |
| DrGrov | I have had the N97, N900 and N8 since 1st day of release | 16:54 |
| openstandards | pretty loyal then | 16:55 |
| DrGrov | Well, I consider so as well | 16:55 |
| fendel | Milhouse: Nokia has been the main research company for basic mobile phone technologies: GSM, UMTS, LTE, and so on. | 16:55 |
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| av500 | fendel: now they can add research on mobile blue screens | 16:55 |
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| treebeen` | well, i got the X6, i guess that was my last Nokia unless they bring out something without wp7 | 16:56 |
| fendel | av500, :-) | 16:56 |
| bzhb | -12% : it is was Elop was meaning by diving into the unknown | 16:56 |
| woki | bzhb: lol | 16:56 |
| openstandards | does nokia have much patents? | 16:56 |
| dD0T | openstandards: tons | 16:56 |
| fungi | ha | 16:56 |
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| openstandards | bollocks | 16:56 |
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| av500 | much bollocks? | 16:57 |
| dD0T | openstandards: Can't built a modern phone without licensing from them afaik | 16:57 |
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| openstandards | thats extremely bad if microsoft do buy stocks | 16:57 |
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| MrCase | Oracle should buy Nokia, sue everybody else. | 16:58 |
| niala1 | sorry for finnish employes | 16:59 |
| dD0T | openstandards: As fendel said they are one of the big researchers in the hw/standards space. | 16:59 |
| Milhouse | Alien Dalvik (or similar) on MeeGo and Symbian would have surely been a better option than this bollox... | 16:59 |
| av500 | google should buy nokia, sue themselves | 16:59 |
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| MrCase | Milhouse: agreed. | 16:59 |
| Milhouse | If all Elop cares about is an eco-system, he'd have got it on plate for peanuts. | 16:59 |
| openstandards | dD0T: that I understand and thats whats bothering me so much | 16:59 |
| Milhouse | s/on plate/on a plate/ | 16:59 |
| infobot | Milhouse meant: If all Elop cares about is an eco-system, he'd have got it on a plate for peanuts. | 16:59 |
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| fendel | Some people mentions the possibility that Microsoft might start suing over patents. They have Nokia on their side | 17:01 |
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| mihero | ipr was mentioned on press releases atleast | 17:01 |
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| openstandards | perhaps google will be smart and buy just incase | 17:01 |
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| Milhouse | Googles mistake was not to buy Sun | 17:02 |
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| dD0T | Milhouse: Hm. Google would've done exactly what with sun? ;-) | 17:02 |
| openstandards | yeah oracle is laughing over that deal | 17:02 |
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| treebeen` | fendel: i doubt they have Nokia on their side, they have Elop, and some puppies | 17:02 |
| Milhouse | Solaris patents, a shed load of OS patents actually, plus of course Java... | 17:02 |
| MrCase | -13.14% | 17:03 |
| openstandards | dD0T: patents sun is a big patent player | 17:03 |
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| fendel | dD0T: Patents. The rest could be split up and resold | 17:03 |
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| MrCase | Apple and Google in the plus... | 17:03 |
| openstandards | i wonder why | 17:03 |
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| dD0T | fendel: Doesn't sound like do no evil to me ;-) And except Java I don't see much google would've gained. Though I might be missing something. | 17:03 |
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| bzhb | -13.94% | 17:04 |
| openstandards | damn | 17:04 |
| Milhouse | Maybe I'll come out of the shower in a few minutes and this will be all a bad dream | 17:05 |
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| fendel | dD0T: There are a difference between "do no evil" and being sued | 17:05 |
| alextai | fendel: some time ago Novell started some relationship with Microsoft - and there are were similar opinion about suit cases | 17:05 |
| alextai | but nothing happen | 17:05 |
| fendel | alextai: We have a import tool on our hand: Governments and anti-trust | 17:05 |
| dD0T | fendel: I don't think google was aware they could be sued. They tried to play it safe by explicitely not using the jvm. | 17:06 |
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| openstandards | fendel: and goverments have shown that they can be brided too | 17:06 |
| fendel | alextai: Microsoft on the desktop and on the servers are too big to that what ever | 17:06 |
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| fendel | openstandards: :-) Qt has had one thing for some time: Knut Yrvin | 17:06 |
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| openstandards | knut yrvin? | 17:07 |
| fendel | openstandards: A lot can be said about Knut, but he is one of those who know how to put pressure on politicians | 17:07 |
| fendel | openstandards: There are some small groups of individuals who makes pain for major players. That is of major importance | 17:08 |
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| blitz00 | http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-strategic-mobile-partners/ | 17:09 |
| blitz00 | no comment | 17:09 |
| fendel | Norway made Apple change their iTunes licensing policies. That was partly by support of people like Knut. | 17:09 |
| alextai | be honest... I waited for meego nokia phone... and I do very like qt... as for phone - I believe that somebody else will continue this,,, as for Qt... I hope Nokia will continue it since it can be very valued on M$ platform as well | 17:09 |
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| blitz00 | all of microsoft mobile partnerships ended really bad for thei partners | 17:09 |
| openstandards | how long before he jumps ship thou fendel | 17:10 |
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| blitz00 | Today, Microsoft Business Division President Stephen Elop and Nokia’s Executive Vice President for Devices Kai Öistämö announced the agreement, outlining a shared vision for the future of mobile productivity. | 17:10 |
| blitz00 | That was in aug 2009.. What happened? Two and a half years later the same Stephen Elop announced that Symbian will be deprecated. | 17:10 |
| Milhouse | -13.33% NYSE | 17:11 |
| Aranel | "this deal combines microsoft's openness with nokia's innovation." | 17:11 |
| Aranel | wow | 17:11 |
| Milhouse | and still falling | 17:11 |
| Aranel | do they really said that? haha | 17:12 |
| Milhouse | -13.51% NYSE | 17:12 |
| niala1 | is AMD already work on meego ? | 17:12 |
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| sivan900 | Aranel: ha ha ha ha | 17:12 |
| sivan900 | niala1: they anounced they will support in when we were in dublin | 17:13 |
| openstandards | niala1: yeah amd have been working on some meego stuff | 17:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | I want to cry. | 17:13 |
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| Milhouse | gotta love network splits... | 17:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:16 |
| sivan900 | so we all optimicy i think the pic twit for qt might be too representative | 17:16 |
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| sivan900 | i mean we can try optimicy buy why people in the inside r not ? | 17:17 |
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| Milhouse | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/nokia_microsoft_more_details/ | 17:17 |
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| sivan900 | people in qt dev frameworks org | 17:17 |
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| openstandards | 13.24% on google now | 17:18 |
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| openstandards | - | 17:18 |
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| openstandards | its dropping quikcier than a sex addict's trousers about to get liad | 17:19 |
| openstandards | *laid | 17:19 |
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| sivan900 | oh right. well leinir i will try to be optimistic some other day read the the register article and think if we r going to have another ovi sprint this year..... | 17:20 |
| Milhouse | The only way I can see how this pans out, Nokia helps Microsoft establish WP7 as a success, then Microsoft buys Nokia. If MS haven't committed to buying Nokia in the future, then there is nothing in it for Nokia, nothing at all. | 17:20 |
| sivan900 | leinir: the analysis is interesting | 17:21 |
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| Stskeepz | Milhouse: except they'll end up in a similar situation like google.. their partners won't be happy m$ giving 'nokia' brand preference | 17:22 |
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| Milhouse | With nokias scale, that won't be a problem for Microsoft | 17:22 |
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| gour | hiya | 17:23 |
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| gour | so, nokia is ditching meego and adopting wp7? | 17:23 |
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| Milhouse | ditching everything, and adopting wp7. yep. | 17:23 |
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| gour | very strange | 17:24 |
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| treebeen` | somehow this will strip nokia of all the relevance, after all who cares who is making the hardware? the software is what is runs the game. and MS will decide on that... | 17:24 |
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| treebeen` | /is// | 17:24 |
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| sivan900 | treebeen`: indeed | 17:25 |
| gour | otoh, it was obvious that meego is coming lte to the party...too bad :-( | 17:25 |
| Robot101 | treebeen`: its not that simple - at the moment MS has 1Ms of WP7 handsets - Nokia's volumes are 100Ms | 17:25 |
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| Robot101 | treebeen`: so, Nokia has a lot that MS needs - route to market and sales volume in ~100 countries | 17:25 |
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| Robot101 | treebeen`: which is why it's MS and not Android - Nokia means a lot to MS - they would mean nothing to Google | 17:25 |
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| sivan900 | so people | 17:25 |
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| openstandards | what i remember got nokia famous was being able to change the covers... | 17:26 |
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| Robot101 | openstandards: I think Nokia will be able to "change the covers" on WP7 if they are shipping 90% of the devices :P | 17:26 |
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| sivan900 | the analysis on the register is very sadly the practical and realistic one | 17:26 |
| pvanhoof | Robot101, so where do you think meego will go medium-term (<= 6 months)? | 17:26 |
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| dwd | Robot101, Hey, Rob. So you were right, and I didn't believe it was possible. | 17:27 |
| Robot101 | pvanhoof: well - they're still committed to releasing a device this year | 17:27 |
| pvanhoof | They say that meego stays r&d, but .. | 17:27 |
| openstandards | Robot101: nokia has patents.... | 17:27 |
| pvanhoof | One device, you think more will happen with meego? | 17:27 |
| Milhouse | pvanhoof: there'll be a device from nokia, but who will seriously b developing for MeeGo (and Qt) after todays news? it's a dead end device, but no doubt interesting all the same. | 17:27 |
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| Robot101 | but the fact Qt isn't part of the WP7 story - means it will have an "N900" problem | 17:27 |
| dwd | pvanhoof, There's promising noise from Intel. | 17:27 |
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| Robot101 | a standalone device with very little platform appeal unless Intel also produces some devices | 17:28 |
| Naranek | dwd: care to clarify? | 17:28 |
| Stskeepz | i'm hoping to see devices on MWC. | 17:28 |
| dwd | Robot101, You saw Intel's note on an Atom based phone this year? | 17:28 |
| openstandards | Robot101: i can't see anyone getting rid of maemo to run win mobile.... | 17:28 |
| wmarone | well done Elop | 17:28 |
| wmarone | heh | 17:28 |
| Robot101 | Naranek: I was saying last weekend that I thought the Nokia + WP7 rumour was the most credible I'd heard | 17:28 |
| niala1 | ahh #meego is quiet again ... | 17:28 |
| dwd | Naranek, http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meego | 17:28 |
| Naranek | dwd: thanks | 17:28 |
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| Robot101 | dwd: cool - thats roughly what I thought - Intel has multiple pokers in the fire around MeeGo besides Nokia | 17:29 |
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| Stskeepz | come on freenode | 17:30 |
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| Milhouse | http://www.slashgear.com/google-offers-sacked-nokia-engineers-a-lifeline-11132817/ | 17:30 |
| niala1 | what's appens? a second Elop attack today? | 17:30 |
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| dwd | Stskeepz, It's the cold - the pipes freeze. | 17:30 |
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| Stskeepz | dwd: so freenode = hell, as hell froze over today? | 17:31 |
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| GAN900 | Great, the evil Android grows. | 17:31 |
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| sivan900 | Stskeepz: yes | 17:31 |
| psycho_oreos | better anddroid than iOS or WP7 or even symbian | 17:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | :) | 17:32 |
| polteuus | better android than wp7, GAN900 | 17:32 |
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| openstandards | psycho_oreos: whats wrong with symbian... | 17:32 |
| xDaReaperx | ugh channel overflow thingy | 17:32 |
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| xDaReaperx | always disconnecting | 17:32 |
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| arfoll | has everyone seen the mail on meego-community to elop and dell? | 17:32 |
| arfoll | lol | 17:32 |
| sivan900 | psycho_oreos: s3 is great i dont agree | 17:32 |
| [Rui] | Just saw -14% | 17:32 |
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| openstandards | [Rui]: the stocks are like a yoyo right now | 17:33 |
| treebeen` | “Finland is our home, and it will remain our home” | 17:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | openstandards, reboots whenever it wants, cannot turn off stupid camera sounds, C:\ and Z:\ usually hidden and are read-only. | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | polteuus, not in the slightest. | 17:33 |
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| GAN900 | polteuus, Android is evil in a way WP7 can never be. | 17:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | sivan900, you meant something like s^3? | 17:33 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: like a yoyo falling down a mountain, sometimes when it hits a stone it jumps a bit up, but still falling | 17:33 |
| slaine | I'd rather see webOS grow than android, it's already the Windows95 of phones | 17:34 |
| psycho_oreos | openstandards, and that's just barely the tip of the iceberg for my qualms with s60 | 17:34 |
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| sivan900 | psycho_oreos: yes dude i have seen it and played with it it is shiny and great for mm | 17:34 |
| polteuus | GAN900: how so? | 17:34 |
| psycho_oreos | sivan900, hah, shiny and great.. more like being locked inside some obscure jailhouse :) | 17:35 |
| GAN900 | polteuus, it's a black hole. | 17:35 |
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| openstandards | psycho_oreos: symbian is open now thou | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | It sucks open source devs into contributing to a project which help nothing else in Linux or open source. | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | When you're contributing to Android, you're only contributing to Android. | 17:36 |
| psycho_oreos | openstandards, o rly? where's their open source portal? I heard it was no longer open :p | 17:36 |
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| Milhouse | 20,000 layoffs expected in Finland: http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20110211/massive-layoffs-expected-at-nokia/ | 17:37 |
| niala1 | GAN900: agree | 17:37 |
| psycho_oreos | and softwares written for WP7 supports none other than WP7 devices | 17:37 |
| psycho_oreos | no different | 17:37 |
| openstandards | psycho_oreos: symbian s^3 is opensource | 17:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | openstandards, and their portal? link? is it still up and valid? :) | 17:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | openstandards, they've ditched fixing woeful s60 for s^3? how wonderful | 17:38 |
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| GAN900 | psycho_oreos, yes, it's very different. | 17:38 |
| psycho_oreos | leaving the s60 users in the dark, typical of nokia's attitude | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | WP7 and iOS don't pretend to be anything they're not | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | You know what you're getting into with Apple and Microsoft. | 17:39 |
| openstandards | psycho_oreos: its a rewrite.... | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | With Google, Android pretends to Open Source. | 17:39 |
| openstandards | GAN900: this is the ceo's doing | 17:39 |
| iekku | 20 000 can't be | 17:39 |
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| GAN900 | And suckers in large swaths of the open source community supporting their advertising machine. | 17:39 |
| treebeen` | GAN900: did you know that Android even has a x86 port (not from google) | 17:40 |
| psycho_oreos | openstandards, slow adoption for nokia n?? and e?? series handhelds seems like | 17:40 |
| GAN900 | So we end up with a blackhole platform subverting open source. | 17:40 |
| Milhouse | iekku: all so that nokia can flog a few WP7 phones... | 17:40 |
| GAN900 | selling a lot of locked down devices. | 17:40 |
| openstandards | GAN900: stop spreading FUD, as much as I don't like whats going on | 17:40 |
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| openstandards | GAN900: my n900 is pretty open mate | 17:40 |
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| polteuus | GAN900: android IS open source. granted, carriers install closed middleware on their phones... but it's the carriers you have to blame | 17:40 |
| polteuus | android is opensource per se | 17:40 |
| psycho_oreos | GAN900, I don't think android is that overly pretentious, every platform is pretentious in their own ways | 17:41 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: erms... right... pretty open... | 17:41 |
| siriusly | lol Windows Phone 7 | 17:41 |
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| siriusly | sorry but you guys are screwed | 17:41 |
| wmarone | polteuus: only in a shallow "you can have the source code after all of our vendors are done with it" | 17:41 |
| siriusly | id jump ship now if I were you | 17:41 |
| wmarone | sort of way | 17:41 |
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| Stskeepz | siriusly: meego != nokia, and don't troll | 17:41 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: the battery managment... was the problem for the devs | 17:41 |
| siriusly | Stskeepz - meego backs Nokia pretty much | 17:41 |
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| [Rui] | openstandards: what about the graphics card? gsm? | 17:41 |
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| [Rui] | iirc still pretty close.d | 17:42 |
| psycho_oreos | meego doesn't back anyone, meego was founded because of a joint venture existed between Intel and Nokia | 17:42 |
| [Rui] | don't get me wrong, I was pretty excited with meego, specially partnering with Intel, as it could mean more open phones in the future. | 17:42 |
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| [Rui] | but N900 isn't exatly open. | 17:42 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: find me a phone other than the neo freerunner and neo 1973 thats completely open | 17:42 |
| [Rui] | though not designed for meego either | 17:42 |
| Kaadlajk | Milhouse: that 20k is the number of employees nokia has in finland :P not the number of layoffs | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | polteuus, it may be open source, but it's not Open Source. | 17:42 |
| openstandards | you won't be able to | 17:43 |
| GAN900 | Which is an important distinction | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Can you make calls with these Neos? =) | 17:43 |
| GAN900 | Supporting Android does not support Linux. | 17:43 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: even those aren't fully open, the freerunner has about 5 computers in it, 4 of which run on closed firmware. | 17:43 |
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| MrCase | yesterday i have installed the NokiaQtSDK and the QtSDK. I had a look ad PySide and QML. today I think of it as wasted time. | 17:43 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: ok if thats not even open, how the hell do you expect me to hate nokia for the n900 | 17:43 |
| [Rui] | at least the main OS can talk to them all via more or less clean interfaces allowing for a fully free stack (modulo the firmware blobs for bt, wifi, gps and gsm) | 17:43 |
| treebeen` | GAN900: stop spreading that rubbish, do some research first | 17:44 |
| ahiemstra | Kaadlajk: well, they could be laying off 20k people if they plan to completely ditch finland :p | 17:44 |
| openstandards | GAN900: stop spreading FUD | 17:44 |
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| [Rui] | openstandards: I don't expect anyone to hate nokia for the n900, if it wasn't so overpriced I'd get one to help port SHR into it :) | 17:44 |
| wmarone | Changes to Android only benefit Android (and Google) | 17:44 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: but don't claim it's open, please :) | 17:44 |
| [Rui] | I was hoping Aava would be an openphone, but it seems more like vapourware so far | 17:45 |
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| sivan900 | re lardman | 17:45 |
| Milhouse | kaadlajk: The Finnish government is already bracing itself for the hit. "You’re talking about 20,000 people, it’s a big number," <--- Finnish government minister, ambiguous wording perhaps but he seems to be suggesting that number could be laid off | 17:45 |
| wmarone | [Rui]: it exists, but only as a devkit | 17:45 |
| lardman | hey sivan900 | 17:45 |
| dneary | Milhouse, Does that count the ecosystem too, or Nokia only? | 17:45 |
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| Milhouse | dneary: What eco-system? ;-) | 17:45 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: ok, i'm claiming it to be the most open phone on the market other than the freerunner... thats all not completely open | 17:46 |
| GAN900 | treebeen`, proving my point. | 17:46 |
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| [Rui] | wmarone: how open is it? | 17:46 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: i'm actually trying to point out to GAN900 how nice nokia have done things in the "past"... | 17:46 |
| [Rui] | wmarone: is it going the way of OpenMoko? Taking so long to get a product out, overly hyped marketing and then coming out so late it's no longer a top hw phone? | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | openstandards, aint FUD, buddy. | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | Dispute my claims if you care to, don't just dismiss it as FUD | 17:47 |
| wmarone | [Rui]: what are you referring to, the Aava? | 17:47 |
| [Rui] | wmarone: yes | 17:47 |
| fendel | Android has opened up a market for cheaper and more open hardware. MeeGo can use that | 17:47 |
| arfoll | openstandards, it's my understanding the n900 can't even charge without proprietary code? | 17:47 |
| wmarone | they're selling the devkits into Intel and Nokia, I suspect that may shift but I've got no insight into that area | 17:48 |
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| dneary | Milhouse, Tieto, Symbio, Ixonos, TAT, Movial, ... | 17:48 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: well, Nokia was better than many compannies, but far from nice. Consider software patents, they're one of the strongest european supporters of software patents. | 17:48 |
| openstandards | arfoll: read up and you'll see i said theres issues with battery management already | 17:48 |
| [Rui] | wmarone: ok. | 17:48 |
| wmarone | but they're like, $2000 a piece. | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | openstandards, I think youmve missed my point. | 17:48 |
| dneary | Milhouse, I'm sorry, I can't bring myself to be flippant about people's livelihoods & companies | 17:48 |
| fendel | [Rui]: Nokia has a lot in common with IBM | 17:48 |
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| [Rui] | wmarone: just that I'd love to replace my Freerunner with another open phone (if at least as much) so I could save my Freerunner for my fondest memories | 17:49 |
| Milhouse | dneary: point is, the lack of eco-systems is how we got here, apparently | 17:49 |
| [Rui] | fendel: but IBM is not european | 17:49 |
| dneary | Milhouse, I'm putting myself in the place of friends of mine who are right now probably going "Oh shit, my main client might go away" | 17:49 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: that I didn't know I do know one of the devs that worked on some gstreamer audio got a n800 | 17:49 |
| gabrbedd | dneary: good ML post. Very apropos. Thanks. | 17:49 |
| Milhouse | dneary: am not treating anyones loss of livelihood lightly | 17:49 |
| [Rui] | fendel: and there's really evil stuff WRT software patents going on *right*now* at the European Comission | 17:49 |
| dneary | Milhouse, Nokia has been extremely successful in creating an ecosystem of companies | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | dneary, moral superiority, eh? ;) | 17:49 |
| openstandards | GAN900: what is your _point_? | 17:50 |
| dneary | GAN900, Any time I can :) | 17:50 |
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| fendel | [Rui]: right.. I have't been watching. What is it this time? | 17:50 |
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| openstandards | I'm missing it so explain it to me. | 17:50 |
| Milhouse | dneary: shame elop doesn't think so, but with today's news they're not in a good position, unless they know Windows APIs. | 17:50 |
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| GAN900 | openstandards, Google subverts Open Source with Android. | 17:50 |
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| sivan900 | no hanset mfct did open source like nokia | 17:51 |
| dneary | GAN900, Also because I just bought a house, and 3 of my main leads for training services probably disappeared today, so I just said goodbye to ~35% of my annual revenues, so I'm kind of in the same boatr, with 5 mouths to feed | 17:51 |
| [Rui] | fendel: they're trying to, under the guise of harmonising the EU patent system, throw the patent regime into the European Patent Office, which is a non democratic international *company* and with no jurisdicional oversight. | 17:51 |
| sivan900 | NONE | 17:51 |
| GAN900 | They're an advertising company co-opting open source contributors into contributing to a black hole. | 17:51 |
| [Rui] | fendel: all the supporters of software patents support this harmonisation.... guess why... | 17:51 |
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| openstandards | GAN900: I know android isn't opensource, the eco system doesn't scream opensource, heck you need liceasing permision to bundle the google apps with it | 17:51 |
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| [Rui] | fendel: the principle of harmonising laws in EU is ok, by me. but doing it the way they're doing will legalize software patents by proxy | 17:52 |
| arfoll | GAN900: sorry but you can build an android image using opensource ala cyanogen no problems | 17:52 |
| fendel | [Rui]: I agree. Will have a look in the weekend | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | dneary, yeah, we're all taking a hit here, both financial and emotional. | 17:52 |
| dneary | My point exactly | 17:52 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, trust me, nobody here is flippant about that. | 17:52 |
| [Rui] | openstandards: GAN900: andoird is free software, of course. but it's free software friendly to proprietary lock downs. | 17:52 |
| openstandards | arfoll: just can't use google's app :) | 17:52 |
| sivan900 | GAN900+++ | 17:52 |
| * TSCHAKeee hugs GAN900 | 17:52 | |
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| [Rui] | the result is that there's only freedom in android if you're a phone developer | 17:53 |
| arfoll | openstandards, yes but thats the same on n900 | 17:53 |
| openstandards | [Rui]: this i understand | 17:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm just in shock, because it's like I witnessed the mass suicide of an entire company. | 17:53 |
| dneary | I have an online friend (we've met in person a few times, but we know each other online mostly) who's creating a company & is basically broke now | 17:53 |
| dneary | Every penny is in her company | 17:53 |
| TSCHAKeee | dneary: I've been there. I spent my entire 20s helping found a company. | 17:54 |
| sivan900 | TSCHAKeee++ | 17:54 |
| dneary | And she recently wrote a Facebook status (she's very honest about this all) saying "why is it pep talks always seem so patronising?" | 17:54 |
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| Stskeepz | dneary: the interesting thing is if we can turn this around and still benefit from/to MeeGo.. i don't think meego's dead and my source of income is at risk too | 17:54 |
| dneary | So I wrote that the feedback I got from other business owners was what Winston Churchill said: "When you're going through hell, keep going" | 17:54 |
| sivan900 | dneary: i got cancelled a meego interview today. i hope it will be rescheduled | 17:54 |
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| dneary | Stskeepz, Indeed - that's the challenge, and one of the things I've been thinking about | 17:55 |
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| dneary | Stskeepz, As a viable platform for an application developer ecosystem, it mostly died today (let's be frank) | 17:55 |
| dneary | But as a vertical platform one step above Yocto, it's very much alive | 17:55 |
| sivan900 | dneary: how do we do that ? it is becoming hard with the strikes that wrath upon us | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | dneary, trust me, nobody here is flippant about that. | 17:56 |
| dneary | At this rate, the Linux Foundation will be the center of the Linux embedded world soon :) | 17:56 |
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| Stskeepz | dneary: i'm not so sure about that (that it died today), all things considering, but it took a really really nasty beating | 17:56 |
| sivan900 | Stskeepz: i have to agree with dneary | 17:56 |
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| GAN900 | Indeed | 17:56 |
| Clippy | This dude was way ahead of the curve! http://consumertrack.blogspot.com/2010/08/clownsumers-at-it-again-nokia-n9-leaked.html | 17:56 |
| openstandards | i don't think meego will die i can see alot of promise in it | 17:56 |
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| dneary | sivan900, I don't see any phone builder using MeeGo (but who cares? with Android & WebOS, we have two viable Linux phone OSes) | 17:57 |
| mihero | nokia is luckily only one player in meego, big but not the only one | 17:57 |
| dwd | If - big if - Intel pull their phone platform out of nowhere and back MeeGo on it, then MeeGo isn't dead. | 17:57 |
| Clippy | i dont think OS/2 will die | 17:57 |
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| dwd | dneary, Both WebOS and Android use the Linux kernel, but not the userspace. | 17:57 |
| dneary | sivan900, On the other hand, tablets, cars, planes, TVs, media centers, some consumer device category we haven't seen yet... | 17:57 |
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| MrCase | mihero: sadly intel is not a player in any of the recently attractive markets. | 17:58 |
| dneary | dwd, So they're Linux, but not GNU/Linux | 17:58 |
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| dneary | dwd, Android is free software, for the most part (more than Maemo was) | 17:58 |
| treebeen` | dwd: wrong, they are using some of the userspace | 17:58 |
| sivan900 | dneary: lets hope those will hold the eco system yes | 17:58 |
| daedaluz | thanks Nokia | 17:58 |
| dwd | dneary, I'd argue they're Linux, but not in any useful way. | 17:58 |
| Khertan | Hum ... nice ... The job position i apply about porting an Android app to Symbian / Meego in C++/Qt was just cancelled ... | 17:58 |
| Khertan | pffff | 17:58 |
| [Rui] | dneary: only WebOS is closer to what most people perceive as a "Linux" device. Android only uses a bastard version of the kernel | 17:58 |
| dneary | And WebOS isn't (but there's a bunch of open source on it) | 17:58 |
| Khertan | what a fucking day ! | 17:58 |
| Aranel | what does "blink on" means? | 17:58 |
| MrCase | mihero: they paid big for larrabee and to nvidia and have nothing against what is happening CPU/GPU wise on the mobile market. | 17:58 |
| Stskeepz | Aranel: not keeping focus for a sec | 17:58 |
| daedaluz | Elop should be castrated | 17:59 |
| daedaluz | andburned | 17:59 |
| [Rui] | webos is openembedded with a graphical stack above it | 17:59 |
| dneary | Khertan, Serious, or joking? | 17:59 |
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| openstandards | Khertan: theres an app that does that for maemo already | 17:59 |
| Khertan | dneary: serious | 17:59 |
| dwd | Aranel, Intel is saying they're not changing (or even considering changing) their MeeGo strategy at this point, I think. | 17:59 |
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| orospakr | "Over a thousand Nokia employees walk out in protest in Tampere, Finland." | 17:59 |
| treebeen` | and there is NO GNU/linux today, it's a/b/c/d/e/.../GNU/Linux | 17:59 |
| orospakr | huh. | 17:59 |
| [Rui] | daedaluz: at this rate, he will be fired. those things are a bit of an hyperbole, I hope. | 17:59 |
| Clippy | intel failed in wireless for a decade | 17:59 |
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| dneary | dwd, That's damage limitation for stock value | 17:59 |
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| Khertan | openstandards: there is a demonstration of an app ... it s not avialable yet | 17:59 |
| dneary | dwd, We'll see in April | 17:59 |
| Khertan | openstandards: and will surely not be free | 18:00 |
| dneary | They'll give themselves 2 months to come up with a decent public strategy | 18:00 |
| crevetor | I'm sad, very sad. Nokia is dead to me as of today. | 18:00 |
| Aranel | okay, thanks ^^ | 18:00 |
| Naranek | dwd: on the other hand, if they just heard about the new strategy of Nokia, they couldn't have done any changes themselves. they need to analyze the situation before making any announcements | 18:00 |
| daedaluz | [Rui] worst thing is the board knew this will happen, Elop is not allowed to function rogue | 18:00 |
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| Clippy | CLIPPY LIVES IN EUROPE! | 18:00 |
| daedaluz | Elop will not be fired | 18:00 |
| Naranek | of course I'm hoping they'll stick with meego | 18:00 |
| openstandards | yeah i can't see it being free at all interesting none the less | 18:00 |
| Aranel | orospakr: source? | 18:00 |
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| Kaadlajk | orospakr: I was there and did not realize there was a walk out :P | 18:00 |
| [Rui] | daedaluz: of course, but I think they're very deluded that it would be taken as a good thing, I only see positive comments from known microsoft fanboys | 18:00 |
| mihero | most likely elop was hired to do this, board had allready decided this will happen | 18:01 |
| [Rui] | I'm discaring officially paid lobbyist, of course. | 18:01 |
| Khertan | mihero: +1 | 18:01 |
| dneary | daedaluz, In hindsight, it seems clear that the house-cleaning in Autumn was preparing the terrrain: Ari Jaaksi, Carlos Guerreiro, OPK et al all left because MeeGo was on the way out & was declared a failure | 18:01 |
| dneary | daedaluz, So Elop was hired to make this partnership happen | 18:01 |
| openstandards | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nokia-workers-walk-out-in-protest-20110211/ | 18:02 |
| Clippy | In summer this as predicted http://consumertrack.blogspot.com/2010/08/clownsumers-at-it-again-nokia-n9-leaked.html | 18:02 |
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| beford | http://thenextweb.com/eu/files/2011/02/Screen-shot-2011-02-11-at-15.20.01.png | 18:02 |
| sivan900 | bah freenode | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | Imagery for your day today. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5432356309/ | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | sivan900, split? | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | When was elop hired/ | 18:04 |
| sivan900 | GAN900: sudden disconnect | 18:04 |
| Clippy | autumn | 18:04 |
| polteuus | SpeedEvil: september i think | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | It was mentioned discussions began in November. | 18:04 |
| treebeen` | let's see, how long do you gather it will take nokia to make a good wp7 phone? | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | During the Q+A I think | 18:05 |
| sivan900 | i just wanted to say and i hope nobody here grudge us communit for what we say | 18:05 |
| MrCase | there is no such thing as a good wp7 phone. | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | treebeen`: Impossible. | 18:05 |
| MrCase | and never will be. | 18:05 |
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| sivan900 | it is a very bad day for us so far | 18:05 |
| treebeen` | well, just one that works... you know what I mean | 18:05 |
| MrCase | define works. | 18:05 |
| MrCase | from my perspective the n900 is a total fail. | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | They will have phones out and in themarket in 2012 | 18:05 |
| treebeen` | no bugs, runs like MS intended it | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | milions. | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | But MS put the bugs in for a reason! | 18:06 |
| sivan900 | as i realize some decision makers and hirerers r here please bare with us at our harsh hour | 18:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think I want most of the decision makers bare. | 18:06 |
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| MarcA-N | sivan900 I doubt anyone would hold it against anyone in here | 18:06 |
| treebeen` | can they bring out a wp7 phone this years? | 18:06 |
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| treebeen` | *year | 18:07 |
| ahiemstra | treebeen`: no | 18:07 |
| crevetor | What will happen to Trolltech/QT ? | 18:07 |
| Clippy | better install MSVC and C# | 18:07 |
| sivan900 | some of us have dedicated the last 2 or more years and lost out job due to passion for meego. | 18:07 |
| treebeen` | ahiemstra: ok, let's assume they can do it in 2012... it will be far too late | 18:07 |
| chouchoune | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2011/02/11/nokia-names-new-north-american-president | 18:07 |
| chouchoune | another ex Microsoft to Nokia | 18:07 |
| sivan900 | MarcA-N: thanks for the reassurement | 18:07 |
| Clippy | Cliipy lives! | 18:07 |
| Stskeepz | chouchoune: .. | 18:07 |
| MarcA-N | wow, re: NA Pres | 18:08 |
| Clippy | chown meego windows | 18:08 |
| chouchoune | Stskeepz: ? | 18:08 |
| polteuus | crevetor: nobody kjnows | 18:08 |
| Robot101 | dneary: I don't think (m)any of those people were strategically dispatched as you're inferring - except OPK, but that was because shareholders were baying for his blood - nothing more | 18:08 |
| sivan900 | i just figured this is our way to ingest this | 18:08 |
| ahiemstra | treebeen`: yes, which is also what completely baffles me in this entire story | 18:08 |
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| Clippy | Olii Pekker sucks | 18:09 |
| treebeen` | ahiemstra: it just proves that some people in the management have no clue about what is going on right now | 18:09 |
| sivan900 | and to talk to each other in our grief given no counseling is given by LFS :P | 18:10 |
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| Robot101 | dneary: I can see how Torres was somehow staking his career on MeeGo being at the top of Nokia's sw strategy, and so it's not surprising to see him go now | 18:10 |
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| Clippy | Hasta manana Torres | 18:11 |
| sivan900 | dneary: thanks for noting the livlyhood issues in this nightmare | 18:11 |
| crevetor | What would be nice is a spinoff of Nokia which would develop new phones with meego | 18:11 |
| [Rui] | ouch http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/in-memoriam-microsofts-previous-strategic-mobile-partners/ | 18:11 |
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| slaine | Wonder if Torres will end up at HP or Intel | 18:12 |
| [Rui] | rotflol <treebeen`> no bugs, runs like MS intended it | 18:12 |
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| sivan900 | [Rui]: you mean by design ? | 18:13 |
| polteuus | -13.92% and it keeps going down | 18:13 |
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| Clippy | at some point it will be a buy | 18:14 |
| ahiemstra | slaine: no, at google ;) | 18:14 |
| [Rui] | polteuus: I just saw Down 1.22 (14.94%) http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NOA3.DE | 18:14 |
| Clippy | Buy! Buy! Buy! | 18:15 |
| slaine | ahiemstra: ouch | 18:15 |
| slaine | :) | 18:15 |
| aholler | Clippy: why? do you expect they will still sell phones? | 18:15 |
| crevetor | Did Microsoft just start Chemio on what it calls a cancer ? | 18:15 |
| polteuus | [Rui]: http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK --> I was reading here | 18:15 |
| [Rui] | 15% now | 18:15 |
| [Rui] | Clippy: that's what Balmer's thinking right now, I'm sure. | 18:16 |
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| treebeen` | "Today, Microsoft Business Division President Stephen Elop and Nokia’s Executive Vice President for Devices Kai Öistämö announced the agreement, outlining a shared vision for the future of mobile productivity." - August 2009 | 18:16 |
| [Rui] | if Microsoft tries to buy Nokia, it should go to SEC investigation | 18:16 |
| [Rui] | and EU as well. | 18:16 |
| Clippy | SEC usually not, usually FTC | 18:16 |
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| [Rui] | guy leaves MS in good terms, goes to be Nokia President, makes disastrous move for Nokia, then leads to buyout... | 18:16 |
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| [Rui] | hms... | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | What happend Nov 30 - price was a bit below current values? | 18:17 |
| dwd | Robot101, On the plus side, Collabora should be able to take over Nokia in a couple of hours at this rate. | 18:17 |
| mikhas | dwd, lol | 18:17 |
| Clippy | whats nokias enterprise value? 35 billion? | 18:17 |
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| dwd | Clippy, It was 40 this morning. | 18:17 |
| Clippy | yep, 35b | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh. http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?rpc=66&symbol=NOK×tamp=20101118133600 | 18:17 |
| crevetor | dwd: :) | 18:17 |
| arfoll | dwd, lol | 18:17 |
| crevetor | dwd: I'd definetly apply to collabora then ;) | 18:18 |
| dwd | Clippy, two-and-a-half chocolate bars and half a packet of peanuts now. | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | dwd: Salted, or unsalted? | 18:18 |
| dwd | crevetor, I wouldn't. I hear the boss is a real slave driver. | 18:18 |
| Clippy | airline prices or 7-11 prices? | 18:18 |
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| crevetor | Don't know about that. | 18:18 |
| crevetor | Ok then I'll start my company and will finish porting Android to the N900 | 18:18 |
| sivan900 | where is dneary 's post on the ml ? | 18:19 |
| Clippy | starting a company to port an OS to an older HW? thats nuts | 18:19 |
| dwd | crevetor, (I'm joking - the boss is posting in here now...) | 18:19 |
| * dwd considers using smilies. | 18:19 | |
| [Rui] | Clippy: or that. Not an expert in US thingies | 18:19 |
| crevetor | dwd: huhu ok. | 18:19 |
| Clippy | is pt portugal? Your bonds are going for a ride i heard | 18:19 |
| crevetor | Clippy: it was a joke. | 18:20 |
| sivan900 | can we trust collabora to push open source ? :-) | 18:20 |
| [Rui] | Clippy: Portugal has some decades of disastroups Elops as prime ministers. | 18:20 |
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| Clippy | nice land tho, i went to caiz caiz and lisbon in 2004 | 18:20 |
| arfoll | sivan900, trac record seems ok - see git.collabora.co.uk | 18:20 |
| [Rui] | Clippy: things have been so bad even the Prime Minister emigrated for a better job (current president of European Comission) | 18:20 |
| Robot101 | Collabora's actually been working on our own BeOS based mobile platform, totally closed source. We're planning to announce some new mobile devices with Sinclair soon. :P | 18:21 |
| sivan900 | arfoll: i was kidding :-) | 18:21 |
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| dneary | SpeedEvil, November was when OPK et al left Nokia. Then there was the software strategy announcement in December, and Elop seemed to be avoiding major boat rocking, then rumours this week drove the price up, and today... | 18:21 |
| crevetor | It's all a microsoft strategy : announce a bad move for Nokia, have the stock price drop, buy Nokia. Now they own the whole chain (software + hardware)... | 18:21 |
| arfoll | crevetor, surely they need developers,developers,developers? | 18:21 |
| Clippy | i dont forsee that | 18:21 |
| sivan900 | i wore the ninja shirt day after day until my boss fed up with it :-) | 18:22 |
| crevetor | arfoll: who does ? | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | crevetor: And they can then sell them bundled, taking a reduced profit hit, as they have the nokia profit too. | 18:22 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: so it seems according to stock | 18:22 |
| dneary | Anyone interested in buying the share, tomorrow mid-morning would be a good time | 18:22 |
| arfoll | crevetor, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=developers%2Cdevelopers%2Cdevelopers&l=1http://lmgtfy.com/?q=developers%2Cdevelopers%2Cdevelopers&l=1 | 18:22 |
| crevetor | SpeedEvil: yup. And then they can bundle computer computers+phone | 18:22 |
| [Rui] | dneary: lol | 18:22 |
| dneary | Today is shock selling & profit taking, tomorrow that'll keep going for a few hours, then people will realise "hold on, it's Nokia, these shares are really cheap" | 18:23 |
| crevetor | arfoll: thanks ;) | 18:23 |
| dneary | And the prices will pick up again. For a 6 month hold, it's a good bet | 18:23 |
| mikhas | oh well, at least my feeling on Qt was right - an expensive experiment | 18:24 |
| dneary | It's not going down any more, you'll note - the announcement has been "priced in", as the market says | 18:24 |
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| * SpeedEvil realises that his last two phones 'next gen OS' have both gone down after they switched to QT | 18:24 | |
| SpeedEvil | (neo1973 and n900) | 18:25 |
| dneary | Wait till Monday for the magnitude of cuts to sink in, I bet it goes down further | 18:25 |
| orospakr | Aranel, alas, only some random guy on Twitter. Who knows how accurate it is. | 18:25 |
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| dneary | SpeedEvil, Was Qt the lifebuoy or the anchor? | 18:25 |
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| orospakr | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nokia-workers-walk-out-in-protest-20110211/ | 18:25 |
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| daedaluz | nokia stock will go down as people who trusted old good strategy sell them off, when US markets open people believing in new strategy will make it rise | 18:26 |
| orospakr | yeah, it's likely mostly the symbian people. | 18:26 |
| orospakr | with a smattering of MeeGo people, I suspect :) | 18:26 |
| chouchoune | daedaluz: aren't US markets open ? | 18:26 |
| daedaluz | I actually think it'll rise quickly to 9 euro | 18:26 |
| MarcA-N | daedaluz the us market is open | 18:26 |
| jukka | exactly.. | 18:26 |
| Clippy | the us mkt is open and the ADR are down significantly | 18:27 |
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| MarcA-N | but I agree with dneary, Nokia is a pretty stable company | 18:27 |
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| Clippy | in other news, gong rumin is in a scandl | 18:27 |
| chouchoune | MarcA-N: was | 18:27 |
| daedaluz | holy crap, they are. what surprises me even more is that Microsoft is sinking too | 18:27 |
| chouchoune | with all the noise around Nokia these days and the decision, Nokia is not the same now | 18:27 |
| MarcA-N | no, definitely not | 18:28 |
| MarcA-N | companies change though | 18:28 |
| MarcA-N | they find new support from like minded people | 18:28 |
| orospakr | http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK | 18:28 |
| MarcA-N | those people are probably not here, right now | 18:28 |
| MarcA-N | just saying ;) | 18:28 |
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| fendel | daedaluz: I expected Nokia to fall and Microsoft to rise | 18:29 |
| MarcA-N | msft also is hurting a bit | 18:29 |
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| daedaluz | looking at stock prices, I'd say all those bloggers bitching at Nokia and Symbian and Meego were dead wrong. Nobody actually wanted it | 18:30 |
| daedaluz | to go away | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | dneary: Well - speaking of the neo1973 - in march 2007 they had a more-or-less functional GTK phone stack, that could have been a basic dumbish phone + X for xmas 2007, with little investment. | 18:30 |
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| sivan900 | that last link say tampere office closes ? | 18:31 |
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| sivan900 | seems and error in translation | 18:31 |
| timoph | it is. doens't say so in the original finnish article | 18:31 |
| fendel | My understanding of the Nokia-Microsoft deal: Nokia admits publicly they have nothing extra compared to what Asian cheap factories can make more effectively. | 18:31 |
| fendel | So.. why should the stock go up? | 18:32 |
| sivan900 | timoph: omgs | 18:32 |
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| sivan900 | timoph: they cant close the tampere office ! | 18:32 |
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| Clippy | fendel yea | 18:32 |
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| sivan900 | timoph: i wish i was there to march with them. | 18:33 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, actually buying Nokia stock now is quite safe, how could they go further down ? | 18:33 |
| Clippy | chou, yes | 18:33 |
| Clippy | can go down more or flat or up | 18:33 |
| daedaluz | chouchoune, easily, just wait until small investors in Europe hear the news over the weekend | 18:34 |
| timoph | we'll see when they'll start announcing something | 18:34 |
| daedaluz | "nokia did WHAT?! | 18:34 |
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| Clippy | waiting to see Clippy on a Vertu phone | 18:34 |
| chouchoune | daedaluz: they won't sell to such a cheap price anymore | 18:34 |
| fendel | chouchoune: How can they not go down? Nokia was not priced as a direct competition with HTC and what ever OEM factory of the day | 18:34 |
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| timoph | I'm not going to start guessing anything | 18:34 |
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| chouchoune | fendel: I agree, going down was normal, but going down again is nonsense now | 18:35 |
| sivan900 | timoph: sure sorry i am just overly shocked. | 18:35 |
| timoph | np | 18:35 |
| chouchoune | I just hope it won't go up now ;) | 18:35 |
| Clippy | why is this shocking, it was predicated! | 18:36 |
| fendel | chouchoune: Down 70% would sound logical to me. Nokia is not positioned to compete. They could fire 80% of staff and become HTC, but what else? | 18:36 |
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| daedaluz | I sure hope it rises, I'm 900 euro poorer than I was in the morning lol | 18:36 |
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| chouchoune | yes but it's still Nokia with marketing strength, it can't go down before they unvail WP7 phone which would fail | 18:37 |
| fendel | chouchoune: Nokia was something. It is still a major research company, but nothing special on devices. They are also competing directly with Huawei on infrastructure. Huawai got the deal for the whole network of the larges phone company in Norway | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | I'm sorry for you daedaluz | 18:37 |
| sivan900 | but if share goes up then ms cannot take over no ? | 18:37 |
| Clippy | prediction: they will differentiate by re-introducing Clippy onto the phone as a little helpful animation software | 18:37 |
| chouchoune | anyway, time to leave from work | 18:38 |
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| fendel | I see the MS-Nokia deal as a major boost to Huawei, LG, Samsung, HTC, and others. It is more scary for the google lawyers | 18:39 |
| sivan900 | fendel: wrong.best of breed devices engineerd from out of this world | 18:39 |
| Khertan | fendel: and WebOS :) | 18:39 |
| chouchoune | good luck to all persons impacted by this decision (Nokia employees, contractors, ...) | 18:39 |
| Clippy | agree chouchou | 18:39 |
| Clippy | thats a bad feeling of uncertainty | 18:39 |
| fendel | sivan900: Nokia had good devices, but others can learn that fast. They are learning that fast trough Android. | 18:39 |
| beford | I think webos doesn't look that bad, haven't had a chance to try it though | 18:39 |
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| sivan900 | chouchoune: that is uneeded here stop | 18:40 |
| sivan900 | fendel: disagree | 18:40 |
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| sivan900 | fendel: maemo today does more than android or ios will ever | 18:40 |
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| Clippy | please let me know an example sivan | 18:40 |
| fendel | sivan900: I am talking hardware. Nokia is not a software company. That was yesterday | 18:41 |
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| sivan900 | Clippy: get a maemo device. the ecperience is beyond words | 18:41 |
| MrCase | sivan900: yeah. totally crappy. | 18:41 |
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| MrCase | fact is that you can't even phone with a stock n900. | 18:41 |
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| fendel | sivan900: I do enjoy N900. I like the freedom | 18:42 |
| sivan900 | MrCase: no it is amazing and it can be used just as a laptop | 18:42 |
| Clippy | ill probly ping timeout, i am telnetted in and have to take a shower.... good night to the eu folks | 18:42 |
| sivan900 | which is what i am doing now | 18:42 |
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| fendel | "Nokia CEO: China faster at making phones" - http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/china-eye/2011_02_11/Nokia_CEO:_China_faster_at_making_phones.html | 18:42 |
| MrCase | sivan900: it is as good as a laptop as a laptop is as good as a washing machine. | 18:42 |
| sivan900 | flash webcasta irc facebook share internet with joikuspot | 18:42 |
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| sivan900 | you name it | 18:43 |
| sivan900 | get calls in the middle | 18:43 |
| cleber | MrCase, don't talk about what you don't - that was his experience, and is backed by mine and others | 18:43 |
| sivan900 | listen to music | 18:43 |
| sivan900 | act as a streamer | 18:43 |
| fendel | MrCase: Small changes would make a N900 into more or less similar as the laptop I am using: 1.2Ghz CPU, decent GPU, and 2GB RAM | 18:43 |
| sivan900 | mobile hd backup device amazing camera | 18:44 |
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| sivan900 | game platform | 18:44 |
| sivan900 | remote control | 18:44 |
| sivan900 | syntific survey device | 18:44 |
| arfoll | fendel, how is that 'small' changes? | 18:44 |
| sivan900 | security device | 18:45 |
| fendel | arfoll: The software is more or less the same | 18:45 |
| fendel | arfoll: Just buy the new generation components | 18:45 |
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| arfoll | fendel, 2GB of ram? | 18:45 |
| fendel | arfoll: RAM is cheap | 18:45 |
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| arfoll | then show me one phone with 2GB of ram | 18:46 |
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| sivan900 | i even helped my boss reroute all his sms s or resppnd to the from afar by sshing into his n900 while he was abroad | 18:46 |
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| MrCase | sivan900: it is a geek device, no doubt. totally useless as a phone for a normal user who would buy something like a motorola defy. | 18:46 |
| polteuus | arfoll: why do you need 2gb of ram? | 18:47 |
| fendel | MrCase: :) Just like a normal smart phone would be useless for me | 18:47 |
| polteuus | I'm fine with 512mb on my pc | 18:47 |
| polteuus | 2gb on a phone is wasted | 18:47 |
| LinuxCode | arfoll, how many non-disclosure agreements are you willing to sign ? | 18:47 |
| sivan900 | MrCase: that is the only geek usage did not you see the list of stuff before ? | 18:47 |
| LinuxCode | before you see said 2GB ram phone | 18:47 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 18:47 |
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| arfoll | polteuus, i don't, he said ram was cheap so 2GB was easy on a phone | 18:48 |
| sivan900 | nokia supported developers like no company ever in mobile open field see forum nokia | 18:48 |
| sivan900 | this is a bad bad nightmare | 18:48 |
| LinuxCode | I bet there is a concept phone out there, with 2GB of ram and x86_64 arch | 18:49 |
| destinal-work | I'm not really sure of the impact of this, is meego still going to be run as an OSS project just receive far fewer resources from Nokia? | 18:49 |
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| fendel | polteuus: Anything less than 2GB RAM in a PC is pain. Swap is slow | 18:49 |
| LinuxCode | destinal-work, that is correct | 18:49 |
| crevetor | sivan900: What worries me the most (appart form lots of good people being laid off) is what will happen to QT. I have the same feeling as when Oracle bought Sun | 18:49 |
| fendel | Why not 4GB RAM on a 32bit platform? | 18:49 |
| fendel | RAM makes multitasking easier | 18:50 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: we will have to wait and see | 18:50 |
| LinuxCode | crevetor, QT is mainly FOSS | 18:50 |
| LinuxCode | it will probably be forked | 18:50 |
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| dwd | fendel, Multitasking is stupid on a phone. | 18:50 |
| LinuxCode | if they mess with it | 18:50 |
| dwd | fendel, I know because Steve Jobs told me so. | 18:50 |
| LinuxCode | I doubt they will | 18:50 |
| RST38bis | cost, availability of parts in the right form factor, power requirements | 18:50 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: with qt nokia was unbeatble | 18:50 |
| fendel | dwd: ;) All right then | 18:50 |
| MrCase | nokia should have let 30 of their devs develop killer apps for maemo for 6 months. | 18:50 |
| BluesLee | honestly, it was a big loss today | 18:50 |
| crevetor | LinuxCode: sure but you can't deny that having full time developers, project leaders, etc helps open source projects a lot | 18:51 |
| RST38bis | and yes, you can answer most questions by googling | 18:51 |
| crevetor | sivan900: I agree | 18:51 |
| LinuxCode | crevetor, of course | 18:51 |
| fendel | RST38bis: Power might be a problem | 18:51 |
| crevetor | sivan900: What's really disappointing is that they had a really nice strategy and it all went to waste today | 18:51 |
| RST38bis | not might be, it is a problem, among other things | 18:51 |
| sivan900 | oh did i mention download meeting slides while listening to music and reading writing emails ? | 18:51 |
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| LinuxCode | I think it is fair to say, that if we didnt have red hat pay most peoples wages, there would be a Fedora release every year | 18:51 |
| LinuxCode | with not mnay added features | 18:52 |
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| LinuxCode | the same applies to other foss projects | 18:52 |
| fendel | crevetor: I would say it is close to a must. Almost all effective and productive open source projects has well paid and experienced staff | 18:52 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: i think we must pledge to the board to officially announce fallback on meego and qt when wpt fails | 18:52 |
| crevetor | LinuxCode: exactly | 18:52 |
| polteuus | LinuxCode: debian is community-driven | 18:52 |
| LinuxCode | polteuus, indeed | 18:52 |
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| crevetor | fendel: yes that's why I'm worried about QT | 18:52 |
| sivan900 | because wp will fail | 18:52 |
| LinuxCode | I think generally, the development of new features would slow down | 18:53 |
| fendel | LinuxCode: War, Oil, Weapons, and so on... They pay for Linux | 18:53 |
| LinuxCode | but it would carry on | 18:53 |
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| fendel | LinuxCode: Top500 | 18:53 |
| sivan900 | just as win7 continues to ger reinstalled on some new http malware | 18:53 |
| crevetor | sivan900: that'd be nice but even then, it will be too late and I doubt Nokia could still come back from it | 18:53 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, errrm | 18:53 |
| LinuxCode | I doubt many big businesses directly are involved | 18:53 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: they could | 18:53 |
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| sivan900 | crevetor: there r AMAZING people there in bulk | 18:54 |
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| crevetor | sivan900: Will they stay though ? | 18:54 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: with amazing innovation | 18:54 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: if our pledge is heared maybe | 18:54 |
| crevetor | sivan900: Yeah. I sort of doubt it | 18:54 |
| sivan900 | i say this afte getting to know many of themr | 18:54 |
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| sivan900 | not to mention the ecosystem | 18:55 |
| fendel | LinuxCode: Why should businesses be directly involved? IBM, Red Hat, Oracle, Novel, and so on do the contracting and product development for them | 18:55 |
| sivan900 | which is just as amazing | 18:55 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, exactly | 18:55 |
| LinuxCode | so why did you mention top500 ? | 18:55 |
| fendel | That is why those companies do good money (Novell had some issues) | 18:56 |
| LinuxCode | god, I think this "ecosystem" word is really gonna tick me off | 18:56 |
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| LinuxCode | ecosystem == corporate greed | 18:56 |
| MrCase | ecosystem my ass. | 18:56 |
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| LinuxCode | i.e. app store | 18:56 |
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| sivan900 | why didnt they talk to ibm | 18:56 |
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| LinuxCode | that is all they care about | 18:56 |
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| sivan900 | another kernel patcher | 18:56 |
| dwd | LinuxCode, Well, to be fair that's true for any company. | 18:57 |
| LinuxCode | dwd, sure | 18:57 |
| fendel | LinuxCode: Linux has been developed largely by huge organizations needs. Governments has put a lot of money into Linux based nuclear weapons research. Oil companies into oil research and so on | 18:57 |
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| LinuxCode | but....wrapping it into a shitty word kinda sucks | 18:57 |
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| sivan900 | just when ovi became even better with free pblishing etc for individuals | 18:57 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, ehhh | 18:57 |
| dwd | LinuxCode, My concern with Nokia's decision is it suggests they're quitting a long-range (and badly executed) strategy. And nobody likes a quitter. | 18:57 |
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| LinuxCode | fendel, government maybe through Unis | 18:58 |
| sivan900 | dwd: see the stock | 18:58 |
| sivan900 | the stock talks best | 18:58 |
| LinuxCode | sivan900, whats it now ? | 18:58 |
| LinuxCode | I only just came back | 18:58 |
| dwd | -13.42% on Google. | 18:58 |
| LinuxCode | jesus | 18:58 |
| fendel | LinuxCode: Sure. Top500 and so on. | 18:58 |
| LinuxCode | it was 10 when I left lol | 18:58 |
| dwd | LinuxCode, But it's holding steady now. | 18:58 |
| MrCase | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2011/02/3310wp7.jpg | 18:58 |
| MrCase | ... | 18:58 |
| LinuxCode | fendel, Uni stuff work on linux in their "own time" | 18:59 |
| LinuxCode | there is no "research project" | 18:59 |
| LinuxCode | which makes them work on it | 18:59 |
| LinuxCode | dwd, shocking | 18:59 |
| LinuxCode | that should really speak for itself | 18:59 |
| LinuxCode | that usually only happens when they lost billions in revenue | 18:59 |
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| fendel | LinuxCode: http://lwn.net/Articles/237768/ - Most of Linux is made on company time | 19:01 |
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| LinuxCode | mainly technology compnaies | 19:01 |
| sivan900 | anyway my energy is drained for today but this and old blog post about something that nokia were among the first to offer - ivi before ivi existed: | 19:01 |
| LinuxCode | I dont see a weapons manufacturer there | 19:02 |
| crevetor | fendel: What is true for the kernel is a bit different for software | 19:02 |
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| sivan900 | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/sivan-greenbergs-forum-nokia-blog/2010/09/29/maemo-meego-ivi-without-an-in-built-ivi-system-or-how-to-be-in-tel-aviv-and-feel-a-bit-like-you-re-in-helsinki | 19:02 |
| crevetor | fendel: and BTW I think if those stats were on the latest kernel we would see a far greater proportion for Nokia | 19:02 |
| fendel | crevetor: http://lwn.net/Articles/420658/ | 19:03 |
| sivan900 | and my friends tell me ios dont do this yrt not sure about android | 19:03 |
| MrCase | it is practically over. in 2012: android, ios, palm. | 19:03 |
| MrCase | unless oracle pulls a stunt on google. | 19:04 |
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| crevetor | sivan900: android has some sort of IVI | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: my department is closing and moving to cambridge at the end of the teaching year :( | 19:04 |
| fendel | MrCase: Do not forget the people in the east. There are a huge room for something there | 19:04 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: :-( | 19:05 |
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| sivan900 | be back later i am spent | 19:05 |
| MrCase | fendel: for sure not w7 :). | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | seems stupid concidering they rolled out new computers and networking equipment over the past 18 months | 19:06 |
| fendel | The Asian companies uses Linux in all kind of devices. Why not phones? | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | they do use it in phones | 19:06 |
| av500 | yep | 19:06 |
| ali1234 | they have been doing for aages | 19:07 |
| av500 | yep | 19:07 |
| fendel | ali1234, :) | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | would you like some cake? | 19:07 |
| av500 | and linux is in every android phone | 19:07 |
| sivan900 | CosmoHill: uni department ? | 19:07 |
| ali1234 | see, the power of linux is you can customize it to the point where nobody even knows it is running linux | 19:07 |
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| CosmoHill | sivan900: yep | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | they're closing it and moving it to the cambridge campus | 19:07 |
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| arfoll | cya i'm ou | 19:07 |
| arfoll | s/ou/out | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 19:08 |
| sivan900 | crevetor: was not discussing ivi per se but ivi experience with maemo | 19:08 |
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| sivan900 | crevetor: fm transmitter et al n900@is the most feautre packed platfrom ever | 19:08 |
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| sivan900 | now bye all | 19:09 |
| sivan900 | we must rest for what lies ahead | 19:09 |
| av500 | fm transmitter </eyes roll> | 19:09 |
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| bilboed-tp | fm transmitter ftw :) | 19:10 |
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| av500 | bilboed-tp: not here, every spot taken :( | 19:11 |
| av500 | I cant drive 10km without changing the frequency | 19:11 |
| bilboed-tp | you live in a radio testing center or what ? | 19:11 |
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| av500 | nope, near frankfurt | 19:12 |
| av500 | same effect | 19:12 |
| sivan900 | works for me over 100km range | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | maybe it is a regional thing, or maybe it is because i don't have a car, but i find FM transmitter really pointless | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | mine works great, but then again my areal got remove by a bush | 19:12 |
| merlin1991 | driving 200km trough austria I had to change frequency 8 times :D | 19:12 |
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| sivan900 | of constant driving and streaming finish radio interent through 3g | 19:12 |
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| av500 | sivan900: yes, but where? | 19:13 |
| MrCase | i will bring mine to nokia care tomorrow. 3 defects. | 19:13 |
| MrCase | :P | 19:13 |
| MrCase | will not mention the missing apps and the 600 euro i have spend a year ago for a phone one can buy for 150 euro on ebay now. | 19:13 |
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| ali1234 | you can buy any year old phone for 150 euro on ebay... | 19:14 |
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| MrCase | sure. but not like everyone of them. | 19:15 |
| MrCase | at least this is how it feels. | 19:15 |
| MrCase | but maybe everyone sells their after a year. | 19:15 |
| MrCase | anyway. | 19:15 |
| MrCase | i will try to hack something with PySide and QML for the n900. | 19:15 |
| * CosmoHill needs a new phone | 19:15 | |
| CosmoHill | or super glue | 19:16 |
| Aranel | CosmoHill: which one? | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | I broke the keypad on my nokia 6220c | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | +yesterday | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | MrCase: I can't see one under 250 euro sold on ebay.co.uk | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | MrCase: In new condition | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | my phones aren't given to me new so I tend to treat them kinda badly | 19:17 |
| treebeen` | eflop | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | than and when I get angry to tend to throw them | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - apart from the dual SIM model of the n900. | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | (never text / phone me bad news) | 19:17 |
| MrCase | SpeedEvil: i meant used phones. | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The only used ones I see going for that are either smashed screen, or sold using a stock photo, from a seller with 0 feedback. | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | (again, ebay.co.uk) | 19:19 |
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| MrCase | ebay.de here. used in the 200 range. new for 300 (which is too much, considering a milestone 2 costs 400). | 19:19 |
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| trumee | bly me, there are still people here after todays announcement! | 19:24 |
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| Stskeepz | of course, meego isn't dead | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just resting. | 19:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Pining for the fjoords. | 19:25 |
| slonopotamus | really? | 19:26 |
| trumee | Stskeepz: well Flop axed it already. | 19:26 |
| daedaluz | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/11/poll-on-a-scale-of-1-to-10-how-pssed-off-are-you-with-todays-nokia-news/ | 19:26 |
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| * CosmoHill pets berndhs | 19:26 | |
| berndhs | did I do something wrong ? my ISP keeps disconnecting | 19:27 |
| berndhs | probably their hamster is tired | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | they need to get a cat | 19:27 |
| wmarone | berndhs: they need to upgrade to gerbils | 19:27 |
| wmarone | gerbils multiply faster and like living in groups, thus allowing for more wheel uptime | 19:27 |
| berndhs | yeah or run 2 hamsters in parallel | 19:28 |
| Stskeepz | trumee: rd budget on nokia side is planned to be lower, but meego.com still works | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | my friend's gerbils never had a wheel | 19:28 |
| Ans5i | meego is not going anywhere. | 19:28 |
| wmarone | CosmoHill: tragic, so much wasted power | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeepz: meego.com is hosted by the linux foundation | 19:28 |
| Ans5i | it just take some time to mature | 19:28 |
| trumee | Stskeepz: is Collabora still on the team? | 19:28 |
| Stskeepz | trumee: i'm not from collabora, so i dont know | 19:29 |
| trumee | Stskeepz: Flop mentioned about cutting outsourcing, so it will interesting to know how it affects Collabora | 19:29 |
| Stskeepz | trumee: i think that effects a lot of other companies too | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeepz: well, meego is already half-dead (netbook ux), no? | 19:30 |
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| Stskeepz | slonopotamus: netbook ux didnt have any features in 1.2 as the focus was on handset, i think | 19:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeepz: what happened to your nick? | 19:31 |
| Stskeepz | CosmoHill: i'm evil stskeeps | 19:31 |
| linuxplatform | this years biggest disappointment, Nokia & Microsoft | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeepz: no progress = dead software | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | Stskeepz: more like high impedance Stskeeps (bad hdl joke) | 19:32 |
| linuxplatform | what does this mean for Meego? | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeepz: kinda hard to tell tbh | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | slonopotamus: could just be sleeping | 19:32 |
| Stskeepz | slonopotamus: bugs have been worked on afaik | 19:32 |
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| CosmoHill | otherwise the open source world would be full of zombies | 19:33 |
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| slonopotamus | CosmoHill: and it is :) | 19:33 |
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| trumee | wasnt there a lot of recruitement lately within nokia for meego development? | 19:33 |
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| CosmoHill | interesting fact, there are 100 more people in here than were in here wednesday | 19:33 |
| fendel | trumee: My guess: The different departments was not informed before lately. | 19:34 |
| Aranel | linuxplatform: according to Intel, It means MeeGo lost a major partner, and It still has "other" (?) partners. | 19:34 |
| sivan900 | yes | 19:34 |
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| Aranel | linuxplatform: according to more pessimistic ppl, It means MeeGo is dead, It's never going to be stable etc.. | 19:34 |
| fendel | Intel probably see MeeGo as just another distro. One of many they support | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | we've had people saying meego is dead without the N9 for ages | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | nothing about "without nokia" tho | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | well not until this week anyway | 19:35 |
| Ans5i | it up to makers, there are going to be stable products afaik. from intel and nokia at least. | 19:35 |
| linuxplatform | hmm | 19:35 |
| Ans5i | it's | 19:35 |
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| linuxplatform | was waiting for my first MeeGo phone, that hope is now gone :( | 19:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | There will be a meego phone. | 19:36 |
| treebeen` | this would be a good time for another company to pick up meego, flop would probably agree to sell it ;) | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | If there will be a next is questionable | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: one? :) | 19:36 |
| MrCase | why would anyone want to buy it knowing it is a dead horse? | 19:37 |
| Aranel | I guess (blindly) MeeGo will be more tablet/netbook-centric OS than a smartphone OS from now on, since Nokia is not going to make new devices for it. | 19:37 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: IMHO, the MTF is the reson why our co. has been working on a MeeGo device. With Nokia's decision, we're obviously anxious about the future of MTF. | 19:37 |
| Aranel | treebeen`: sell what? | 19:37 |
| linuxplatform | it's not good for the competition | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Speaking personally, if it's a more capable n900 style device, because it's a more stable n900 style device. | 19:37 |
| Aranel | treebeen`: MeeGo is not a property and it's name rights are property of FSF, not Nokia. | 19:37 |
| treebeen` | Aranel: hmm, ok, forget the "sell" part | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | MTF? | 19:38 |
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| DawnFoster | MeeGo is run by LF, not FSF :) | 19:38 |
| Aranel | oops, sorry. my mind is blown today :| | 19:38 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: MeeGo Touch Framework. | 19:39 |
| MrCase | oh well. mubarak has retired, at least some good news. | 19:39 |
| sivan900 | DawnFoster: we should have lfs publish a request for a major partner to meego that will support it as nokia did | 19:39 |
| sivan900 | MrCase: heh | 19:39 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone wanna come? | 19:40 |
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| Ans5i | waiting bus to chill place.. | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | I've spent hours at uni going round in circuls :( | 19:41 |
| linuxplatform | so it's just Intel left on MeeGo development? | 19:41 |
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| CosmoHill | Intel is the only big company, there's the rest of us little people too | 19:42 |
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| gabrbedd | linuxplatforms: Nokia has not pulled out of MeeGo. | 19:42 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, MTF's future is brighter than the one of the Symbian. | 19:42 |
| gabrbedd | there's even a slide where they said they'll continue to develop meego. | 19:42 |
| Aranel | CosmoHill: I'm not that sure about it. | 19:42 |
| MrCase | mikhas: symbian has no future. | 19:42 |
| gabrbedd | The angst is whether or not we believe them. | 19:42 |
| uhsf | I'd like to comment here about the disaster, but my thoughts have mostly been posted already, in a slightly more peaceful way. | 19:42 |
| MrCase | http://www.carrypad.com/files/2011/02/meegorandd.jpg | 19:42 |
| mikhas | It's part of the platform API, so even if it gets axed it would take a year or so before it would vanish from MeeGo devices | 19:43 |
| Aranel | There are other big companies in the MeeGo game, dunno how they're commited to it but anyway.. | 19:43 |
| Ans5i | jep | 19:43 |
| Aranel | Like Cisco, Electronic Arts (gaming, anyone?), BMW, AMD, Fujitsu etc. | 19:43 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, also: MTF is available @ gitorious, sitting in the open. | 19:43 |
| Ans5i | well if there is alternative for android, i would guess so | 19:43 |
| mikhas | You don't need Nokia to keep open stuff alive. | 19:43 |
| gabrbedd | MrCase: Thanx. | 19:43 |
| MrCase | what does EA exactly contribute to Meego? | 19:43 |
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| wmarone | MrCase: user draw | 19:45 |
| MrCase | wmarone: nothing then. | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | EA is as evil as M$ | 19:45 |
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| wmarone | MrCase: without users you have nothing | 19:47 |
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| janmalte | does anyone knows if applications developed for meego will run on the wetab or maemo(N900) too? | 19:48 |
| Stskeepz | janmalte: meego and wetab is likely | 19:48 |
| Stskeepz | maemo less | 19:48 |
| MrCase | what happens if people continue to stop buying atom netbooks and buy tablets instead? | 19:49 |
| janmalte | ok, thanks for the information | 19:49 |
| MrCase | where intel has no share? | 19:49 |
| MrCase | to me the one with the foot in the market was nokia. | 19:49 |
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| LinuxCode | there are tablets with atom processors | 19:50 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: Yes, but part of our strategy was to piggy-back off Nokia's hard work on MTF. | 19:51 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, well, look at what you have today | 19:51 |
| mikhas | MTF has become quite stable over the last couple of months | 19:51 |
| mikhas | and it has a few useful features for handhelds | 19:51 |
| mikhas | If it wasn't software, you could say "It's nearyl finished" ;-) | 19:51 |
| gabrbedd | mikhas: Maybe I'm working on the wrong build (entirely possible)... because what I have is not "stable" by any means. | 19:51 |
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| mikhas | There have been over 150 people working on MTF (check http://www.ohloh.net/p/mtf/factoids/3809119) | 19:51 |
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| mikhas | those people arent going to simply die now, you know | 19:51 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: I know. Have I not said, "Nokia has not pulled out of MeeGo" ?? | 19:51 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: :-) | 19:51 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: It's friday and I'm too ticked off to make decisions. :-) | 19:51 |
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| mikhas | Dont make any hasty decisions | 19:51 |
| mikhas | so far, only rome has been burnt down in a day | 19:51 |
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| mikhas | oh right, "Do not kill yourself" ;-) | 19:51 |
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| Aranel | MrCase: games I guess. Since Maemo simply sucks about gaming and any kind on interactive entertainment. | 19:51 |
| crevetor | I had Andry Birds on my N900 before anybody had even played it on the iphone or android.. | 19:51 |
| crevetor | Angry Birds | 19:51 |
| Aranel | gaming of Maemo = a few commercial games (mostly indie titles), emulators, preenv, angryman. | 19:51 |
| Aranel | yup AB was cool, so keep it coming, what other games are Maemo-exclusive? | 19:51 |
| crevetor | Aranel: It's just because it was such a small market that games weren't developed for it | 19:51 |
| crevetor | not a matter of ability to run games | 19:51 |
| Aranel | sure, MeeGo was planned to be a mass market OS anyway | 19:51 |
| Aranel | so EA is there, to make games and profit. | 19:51 |
| Aranel | They wouldn't do the same for N900 since it is a very small market. | 19:51 |
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| mikhas | gabrbedd, keep reporting stability issues @ bugs.meego.com - we do care | 19:51 |
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| gabrbedd | mikhas: I'm not going anywhere. Just axious is all. | 19:51 |
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| Aranel | am I lagging or does Freenode act weird? | 19:52 |
| MrCase | LinuxCode: competitive to the ARM ones? | 19:52 |
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| LinuxCode | MrCase, thatsa subjective view I cant really answer | 19:52 |
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| LinuxCode | as I have not played with arm/x86 tablets | 19:52 |
| LinuxCode | I just bookmarked a link with one | 19:53 |
| mikhas | gabrbedd, aren't we all anxious today? | 19:53 |
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| mikhas | not a good day to make decisions ;-) | 19:53 |
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| LinuxCode | god, I nees to stop hording bookmarks | 19:54 |
| LinuxCode | need* | 19:54 |
| LinuxCode | I would paste the thing, if I could find it | 19:54 |
| sjk | You might have been getting the following question countless times today and in that case I am sorry. But does the Nokia+Microsoft deal mean that MeeGo is pretty much dead? | 19:54 |
| LinuxCode | no | 19:55 |
| uhsf | I don't know why but it's like I knew all along that that Nokia/Meego was DOA since the Intel partnership last year. | 19:56 |
| uhsf | Nokia didn't died today, it died one year ago. | 19:56 |
| slonopotamus | sjk: it may pretend being alive, but i doubt meego will be any more alive than maemo | 19:56 |
| uhsf | Maemo was so close to be perfect on the N900. If Nokia would have keep improving Maemo instead of starting all again from scratch with Meego, we would have plenty of great Maemo devices to choose from by now. | 19:56 |
| Aranel | sjk: Nope, Intel and some others still commited to MeeGo. | 19:56 |
| sivang | uhsf: true | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | i have to agree. a few more timely updates to maemo 5 wouldn't have been bad either | 19:57 |
| MrCase | the problem (also a bless) with intel is, that intel can be committed to pretty much anything for a decade and it can still be a loss of 10 billion usd to them... | 19:57 |
| Aranel | yeah, I also wonder why they didn't stay with Maemo. In fact N900 was not a "geek-only" device, Nokia made it so. | 19:57 |
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| sjk | Ah | 19:58 |
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| treebeen` | lol, from 2009: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/press/2009/08-12Elop_lg.jpg | 19:58 |
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| ali1234 | treebeen`: who is that other dude? | 19:59 |
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| treebeen` | Executive Vice President Kai Öistämö | 19:59 |
| treebeen` | (then) | 19:59 |
| Aranel | http://i55.tinypic.com/2yuzgog.jpg | 19:59 |
| sjk | Hm, they must have lost a lot of money on the N900, no? Compared to the iPhone and similar it's fairly difficult to learn | 20:00 |
| LinuxCode | I think ELops pay should be slashed, and that money put back into R&D | 20:00 |
| Aranel | GIMP-ed it in a min, It's very funny to me, I'm even thinking of a simple dart game with this picture. | 20:00 |
| MrCase | so torres (http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/group-executive-board/alberto-torres) quit? | 20:00 |
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| Aranel | MrCase: yesterday. | 20:00 |
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| LinuxCode | is Aari Jaaksi still about ? | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | at hp | 20:02 |
| Aranel | LinuxCode: he's still working for Palm since the beginning of MeeGo. | 20:02 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 20:02 |
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| LinuxCode | lucky him then, he got out | 20:02 |
| MrCase | who is maluka at forum.meego.com? | 20:02 |
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| LinuxCode | before the ship turns into a submarine, which cant use its ballast tanks | 20:02 |
| Aranel | well I think he was one of the best | 20:02 |
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| Aranel | even think that he was too good for Nokia. | 20:03 |
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| LinuxCode | showed off a tablet on his blog | 20:03 |
| LinuxCode | Nokia, I havent even seen a teaser yet | 20:03 |
| LinuxCode | of a working tablet | 20:03 |
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| Aranel | I think somebody from MeeGo should make an announcement, or at least write a blog entry about future of MeeGo and mostly about its smartphone part. | 20:04 |
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| treebeen` | oh, flop what CEO of macromedia, heh | 20:04 |
| Richrd_ | ohey! | 20:04 |
| Richrd_ | bad day | 20:04 |
| MrCase | Aranel: it is not like anyone will build smartphones for meego now. | 20:05 |
| LinuxCode | Richrd_, why what happened ? | 20:05 |
| MrCase | Aranel: and i doubt Nokia will ship the one meego phone before a w7 phone. | 20:05 |
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| Richrd_ | just the announcement and 14% stock drop :P | 20:05 |
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| LinuxCode | Richrd_, its ok,l elop will forfeit his pay, until the share drop has been sorted out | 20:05 |
| Richrd_ | never been here before but I'm really interested in all the MeeGo stuff and decided to come see what you guys are thinking now | 20:06 |
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| LinuxCode | Intel is great | 20:06 |
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| LinuxCode | thats what I think | 20:06 |
| Aranel | MrCase: well It's Handset UX is still under development so I think another company can replace Nokia about making devices. | 20:06 |
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| Richrd_ | dont know much about them, but the project is good | 20:06 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: How does Intel compare to Allah then? | 20:06 |
| LinuxCode | and Intel will be better, if it stuffs more money into meego | 20:06 |
| MrCase | Aranel: which company? | 20:06 |
| LinuxCode | specially as Intel is making huuuge profits | 20:06 |
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| LinuxCode | RST38h, they both dont exist ? | 20:07 |
| LinuxCode | ohh wait...flaw | 20:07 |
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| treebeen` | LinuxCode: you mean intel? the company that paid like 4 billion dollars to dell for not selling AMD? | 20:07 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 20:07 |
| Aranel | MrCase: I also wonder. | 20:07 |
| LinuxCode | treebeen`, yeh that one | 20:07 |
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| LinuxCode | sack some lawyers working for Intel | 20:08 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12159922# | 20:08 |
| LinuxCode | save money on cases like that | 20:09 |
| LinuxCode | pump it into meego | 20:09 |
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| LinuxCode | which in turn feeds mobile support into other distros | 20:09 |
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| LinuxCode | win win! | 20:09 |
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| LinuxCode | ARM should support something | 20:11 |
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| MrCase | why? :) | 20:12 |
| MrCase | everyone is supporting them! | 20:12 |
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| niala1 | MrCase: everyone support intel too | 20:14 |
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| MrCase | niala1: where are the phones with intel processors? | 20:14 |
| uhsf | some company should just make an x86 phone and let customer install any Linux distro | 20:14 |
| uhsf | all problems would be solved then | 20:15 |
| uhsf | except battery life but I don't care at this point | 20:15 |
| niala1 | MrCase: processor are not only for phone | 20:15 |
| MrCase | need to travel with a nuclear power plant then in order to make a clone. | 20:15 |
| MrCase | *make a call. | 20:15 |
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| niala1 | MrCase: windows exist for desktop or laptop intel/amd and intel support meego .... why ? | 20:16 |
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| MrCase | niala1: because they have to. imagine a bazillion of ARM/Nvidia based netbooks/tablets running android/webos + apple. | 20:17 |
| niala1 | MrCase: intel can sell only processor like arm | 20:17 |
| niala1 | they support only because they want a 'store like' | 20:18 |
| niala1 | not for the fun | 20:18 |
| GAN900 | Aranel, it's still steaming ahead!!! | 20:18 |
| Aranel | huh? | 20:19 |
| fendel | Linux is big business. No reason why Intel should not be active | 20:20 |
| niala1 | with no qt no sdk for a store like | 20:21 |
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| niala1 | why he should? what about amd and meego? work is already starting? | 20:21 |
| MrCase | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nokia-meego-netbook-stephen-elop,12169.html, Nokia drops Meego. | 20:21 |
| MrCase | it is a problem now. why should anyone start developing apps with Qt when symbian will be dead in a year and there will be maybe one phone for meego in 2011? | 20:22 |
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| fendel | Bad day for openness: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20031525-264.html | 20:22 |
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| lbt | there is still a community OBS and any netbook UX or other variations would be welcome on there | 20:23 |
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| * auke reads the news, and the irc discussions, and the mailinglists | 20:26 | |
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| X-Fade | auke: I hope you got a lot of coffee at hand, it is a long read. | 20:26 |
| treebeen` | fendel: hmm, something like that was to be expected, of course now that google dropped h.264 from chrome they have reason to worry | 20:27 |
| iekku | MrCase, try to keep positive thinking | 20:27 |
| * auke declines to read Dohm's thread | 20:27 | |
| DawnFoster | auke: what, you didn't get up at 2am to watch it like I did :) | 20:27 |
| iekku | i think meego is great and will survive | 20:27 |
| auke | DawnFoster: haha, hell no - my kids wore me out - I need my sleep | 20:27 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Still awake? How are you holding up? :) | 20:27 |
| MrCase | lbt: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nokia-meego-netbook-stephen-elop,12169.html - so this is just bullcrap? | 20:27 |
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| DawnFoster | X-Fade: I got a quick nap between 6:30am and 8:30 so I'm doing well | 20:28 |
| DawnFoster | lots of tea helps :) | 20:28 |
| lbt | MrCase: no | 20:29 |
| Aranel | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=942876&postcount=1137 | 20:29 |
| * X-Fade decided to just continue working on MeeGo Apps and not let this get to me. | 20:29 | |
| lbt | MrCase: it's just not the whole story :) | 20:29 |
| Aranel | click it for instant epic lulz. | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Dawn: Are you staying awake to watch this whole elopocalypse, or are there other reasons? :) | 20:29 |
| joppu | what's with this "nokia=meego" talk? | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | RST38h: I got *up* this morning at 2am to watch the webcasts | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | RST38h: dedication | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Dawn: urgh | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | so I could hang out with all of you on IRC | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Dawn: and pretty morbid webcasts too. At least they came at 13:00 over here. | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | Nap + Caffeine = happy Dawn | 20:30 |
| Myrtti | in other news: http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/02/11/133654860/no-more-windmills-activision-kills-guitar-hero | 20:30 |
| Myrtti | ;-) | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Myrrti: Old news! | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | I never thought it'd come to this, but help help help, save us Intel, you're our last hope! :) | 20:31 |
| RST38h | (like 2 days :)) | 20:31 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: and my life is so messed up on the personal level that I really couldn't care less | 20:31 |
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| * auke declares that he is .... working as usual | 20:32 | |
| RST38h | Myrtti: all shit sooner or later blows off | 20:32 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: or becomes irrelevant. | 20:32 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: or is buried, but not forgotten. | 20:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | auke: at least you still have a job. i feel sorry for the guys who got axed because of this. | 20:32 |
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| lbt | auke: you're not alone :) | 20:32 |
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| auke | TSCHAKeee: I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hear about people losing their jobs, and, that would suck. | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Myrrti: We will all get buried eventually, can't do much about it | 20:33 |
| Stskeepz | TSCHAKeee: afaik noone got axed so far, except Torres resigning | 20:33 |
| niala1 | i can't open qtcreatop today... maybe tomorrow........ | 20:33 |
| Stskeepz | TSCHAKeee: people high likely will though | 20:33 |
| X-Fade | Stskeepz: A lot of people will get axed, just not today. | 20:33 |
| Stskeepz | auke: thumbs up on boardname latest impl with uname | 20:34 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: moving on, I've cried enough today | 20:34 |
| d12n | well if they had before the move would have been obvious before the presentation | 20:34 |
| lbt | I hear 20,000 jobs to go... so yeah... | 20:34 |
| andyross | Long term clearly a lot of linux positions at Nokia are going away. That's not quite the same thing as a layoff, though it's still bad news. | 20:34 |
| auke | Stskeepz: going to close on that today, and merge to trunk | 20:34 |
| DawnFoster | Myrtti: *hugs* | 20:34 |
| fendel | Hope the community start looking into starting new companies | 20:34 |
| Stskeepz | auke: cool | 20:34 |
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| iekku | lbt, i wonder how 20 000 in finland are going | 20:34 |
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| lbt | iekku: unlikely to be .fi only | 20:35 |
| MrCase | iekku: i am thinking positively. | 20:35 |
| Myrtti | iekku: media quoting wrong numbers | 20:35 |
| fendel | Nokia have a global ecosystem of employees and suppliers than can start new companies and opportunities. | 20:35 |
| iekku | Myrtti, i think that too | 20:35 |
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| MrCase | iekku: will develop something for the n900 while waiting for a quadcore android phone with a proper keyboard. | 20:35 |
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| MrCase | :P | 20:35 |
| fendel | lbt: 20k sounds very low to me. Nokia is going trough a revolution. | 20:36 |
| blizzow | super sad to hear the news. :( | 20:36 |
| iekku | MrCase, that's the spirit! | 20:36 |
| d12n | shocking | 20:36 |
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| d12n | the announcement does not sound very visionary unless WP7 is just kept for transition time | 20:38 |
| RST38h | It is kept until the finns figure out it does not sell. | 20:38 |
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| MrCase | like all the other windows phones that didn't sell. | 20:38 |
| RST38h | And if you do not believe it does notsell, check the 2010 sales figures | 20:38 |
| bunk | lbt: Nokia employs only around 20 000 people in Finland. | 20:39 |
| lbt | hence "unlikely to be .fi only" | 20:39 |
| d12n | and no Qt really makes sense | 20:39 |
| d12n | ehem | 20:39 |
| niala1 | if nokia sell qt to intel may be a hope!! lol | 20:40 |
| bunk | lbt: And do you have any reliable source that Nokia will shrink by that many people? | 20:40 |
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| lbt | bunk: no | 20:40 |
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| lbt | oh, I suspect it all makes sense ... but the mindset and ones personal financial situation probably have a huge impact | 20:41 |
| iekku | in the news they said 20 000 in finland | 20:41 |
| bunk | iekku: Nokia *has* around 20 000 people in Finland. | 20:41 |
| lbt | iekku: don't forget knock-on job losses | 20:41 |
| iekku | so, it just can't be, only rumours | 20:42 |
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| lbt | Elop did say they'd consulted .fi govt | 20:42 |
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| iekku | so they did when they ended jyväskylä, there were ~360 people | 20:42 |
| iekku | and once again, only i can say, is meego!=nokia and i think meego goes on, with or without nokia | 20:43 |
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| lbt | +1 iekku | 20:43 |
| d12n | just nokia gives meego bad press with this move | 20:44 |
| niala1 | http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/platform/html/index.html advertissment make sense today | 20:44 |
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| pvaz | Good afternoon, day or night, depends on place | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | Qt runs on windows mobile right? | 20:45 |
| sebsauer | yes | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | a lot better than it runs on android | 20:45 |
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| ali1234 | so that quote "we didn't think we would be able to differentiate as easily on android" | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | maybe they will write a UX for WP7 using Qt :) | 20:45 |
| d12n | just get an abstraction layer | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | Qt *is* an abstraction layer | 20:45 |
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| d12n | sure | 20:46 |
| sebsauer | ali1234: and since it's in Qt it should be easy to replace WP7 with e.g. MeeGo :) | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | porting it to a new OS is not easy though | 20:46 |
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| ali1234 | sebsauer: exactly | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | but Qt port to windows mobile is a lot further forward than android | 20:46 |
| iekku | was this already here: http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meego | 20:46 |
| EdLin | http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-notifies-developers-that-qt-is-out-for-windows-phone-devel/ | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | just a thought anyway | 20:46 |
| d12n | that is what I thought too | 20:46 |
| EdLin | sorry to disappoint you | 20:46 |
| sebsauer | ali1234: no since it already works fine on WP7 | 20:46 |
| iekku | i think this is more important part than nokia news | 20:46 |
| andyross | Can't imagine MS would want to allow a portable (!?!) API for app development. And it's not like Nokia was negotiating from a position of strength... | 20:47 |
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| MrCase | XNA on nokia phones *puke* | 20:47 |
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| ali1234 | EdLin: well, screw it then | 20:47 |
| andyross | Then again, WP7 ks sort of tanking, so they were both desperate I guess. | 20:48 |
| crevetor | from Vic Gundotra (VP Android at Google) : “Two turkeys do not make an Eagle” | 20:48 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: your source is wrong. | 20:48 |
| pvaz | Hi everybody, how can I get access to OBS ? | 20:48 |
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| sebsauer | EdLin: since he assumes that one developer-tool exlucludes the other what never was the case | 20:48 |
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| X-Fade | pvaz: Which one? | 20:48 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: is this source wrong too? http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers?sf1066337=1& | 20:48 |
| smoku | pvaz, ping vgrade or X-Fade | 20:48 |
| pvaz | ping vgrade | 20:49 |
| pvaz | sorry, newbie, howto ping ? | 20:49 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: s/vgrade/lbt/ | 20:49 |
| smoku | X-Fade, ouch. yes. sorry ;-) | 20:49 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: no, it is correct and in the "The Qt ecosystem" it even explicit says that Qt will target a new decide now: WP7 | 20:49 |
| lbt | mmm? | 20:49 |
| bunk | andyross: Nokia produces twice as many phones as the second-biggest producer - that is a huge strength | 20:49 |
| sebsauer | device | 20:49 |
| smoku | pvaz, ping lbt or X-Fade :) | 20:49 |
| lbt | ah | 20:49 |
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| MrCase | Qt does not run on WP7. | 20:50 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: where does it say that sebsauer? It says it will continue on "for symbian", which will be phased out by 2012. | 20:50 |
| lbt | pvaz: opensource app development? | 20:50 |
| MrCase | would need to port it. | 20:50 |
| sebsauer | MrCase: it does and very fine | 20:50 |
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| pvaz | yes, opensource app development | 20:50 |
| jonnor | bunk: no, there are no plans for Qt for WP7 | 20:50 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: the last sentence in the "The Qt ecosystem" section | 20:50 |
| Stskeepz | right, i'm done being shellshocked | 20:51 |
| jonnor | bunk: the device being referred to is the Meego device | 20:51 |
| MrCase | sebsauer: erm. you ported it yourself? | 20:51 |
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| sebsauer | MrCase: no, Qt works fine on Windows CE since a very long-time and WP7 is WinCE6+Silverlight | 20:51 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: "that device" refers to the one meego device, you have a reading comprehension problem. | 20:51 |
| niala1 | now what about aavamobile ? | 20:51 |
| lbt | pvaz: meego username? | 20:51 |
| MrCase | sebsauer: no. | 20:51 |
| MrCase | sebsauer: it is not. | 20:51 |
| pvaz | lbt, username is pvaz | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | niala1: aava's a developer board, essentially | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like omap blaze etc | 20:52 |
| lbt | mmm how long ago did you register pvaz | 20:52 |
| lbt | < 1hr ? | 20:52 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: no, it does not. You should read carefully. It says "hough our plans for MeeGo have been adapted in light of our planned partnership with Microsoft, that device will be compatible with applications developed within the Qt framework and so give Qt developers a further device to target. " | 20:52 |
| pvaz | less, yes | 20:52 |
| niala1 | Stskeeps: may be they can take a opportunity ? | 20:52 |
| lbt | ping me again in 7 mins | 20:52 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: yes, they are releasing one device on meego. That sentence is about meego, not about wp7. | 20:52 |
| jonnor | sebsauer: "that device" clearly refers to "Extending the scope of Qt further will be our first MeeGo-related open source device" | 20:53 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: hmmmm.... probably you are right | 20:53 |
| MrCase | sebsauer: the apps on wp7 run in a CLI, is there a port of Qt for .NET? | 20:53 |
| pvaz | I have to leave now to pick up my kids from school, I will leave irc open, and will try to find you later, ok ? | 20:53 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: but that means that MeeGo WILL continue, right? | 20:53 |
| lbt | pvaz: yep .. np | 20:53 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: after that one device, elop is scrapping the meego team. | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | EdLin: they aren't saying that anywhere though | 20:53 |
| pvaz | talk later, thanks | 20:53 |
| EdLin | sebsauer: intel says they will continue developing meego though. | 20:53 |
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| niala1 | sorry i m not a great codder, but maybe if the only meego phone is better than the win7p they drop win7p :p | 20:54 |
| niala1 | me i can't do a great UI :( | 20:55 |
| jonnor | EdLin: the roadmap stated that long-term R/D will spend about 1/3 of the current resources on Meego | 20:55 |
| d12n | current meego resources? | 20:55 |
| EdLin | jonnor: link? | 20:55 |
| bunk | jonnor: Whomever you were answering to, it wasn't me. | 20:55 |
| sebsauer | EdLin: "after that one device" <= what's your source for that? Also I am still not convinced that Qt will not be on WP7. Have you a source for that too? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | sebsauer: that one is mentioned in blogs and in the capital markets day | 20:55 |
| MrCase | sebsauer: a second ago you said it already runs on it. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | which imho , is suicide | 20:55 |
| jonnor | EdLin: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/rip-symbian/ | 20:56 |
| sebsauer | MrCase: it does but run on CE | 20:56 |
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| MrCase | CE is dead, WP7 is a different design. | 20:56 |
| Mek | sebsauer: Elop explicitly said in response to a question about Qt that it would not be made available for WP7 | 20:56 |
| javispedro | MrCase: no, Wp7 is CE. | 20:56 |
| penguinbait | fun times | 20:57 |
| sebsauer | Mek: oha, does there exist a source? | 20:57 |
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| EdLin | jonnor: that says they'll continue to do R&D on mobile platforms, not on meego, which they are throwing in the towel on. | 20:57 |
| javispedro | MrCase: in fact, the current versions of Wp7 run into the same version of Ce WM6.5 does because the newer version of CE was a disaster. | 20:57 |
| niala1 | how much as nokia paid for Qt? | 20:57 |
| Mek | sebsauer: not sure if the webcast is available somewhere... | 20:57 |
| d12n | so they willl reduce the total R&D? | 20:57 |
| aholler | hmm, I wonder when the map-business will be given to ms. But that make need some more time, sold out ot ms just begins | 20:57 |
| jonnor | EdLin: the green bit is Meego | 20:57 |
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| sebsauer | Mek: that indeed sounds like bad news :-( | 20:57 |
| EdLin | jonnor: ah, I see it now. Correct, they did say, however, they have no plans for more than one meego phone.... | 20:58 |
| fendel | Would be nice if Red Hat, Intel, and Canonical could hire some of the MeeGo/Qt people | 20:58 |
| jonnor | EdLin: in 2011 :) | 20:58 |
| d12n | or novell | 20:58 |
| d12n | well suse | 20:58 |
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| EdLin | jonnor: 2012 is a long way off, it is being put in the same position as maemo, one experimental device every few years. | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | EdLin: that's assuming their one meego "device" actually is a phone... | 20:58 |
| fendel | It is a lot of good stuff going on: pads, Gnome3, KDE 4.6/4.7, MeeGo, and so on | 20:58 |
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| niala1 | fendel: meego can live on desktop/laptop with only us, but no on handset. i believe | 20:59 |
| EdLin | ali1234: true, intel does say they'll continue to spend on meego. | 20:59 |
| jonnor | also, they actually say "Meego related" device | 20:59 |
| jonnor | not "Meego" | 20:59 |
| MrCase | javispedro: i stand corrected, thank you. not sure about running pure c++ on it though. | 20:59 |
| jonnor | EdLin: potentially | 20:59 |
| d12n | well so meego core plus different UX? | 20:59 |
| Milhouse | One mad leader down, one more to go... | 20:59 |
| fendel | niala1: The most important in short term is to make sure that as many projects get finished as possible | 20:59 |
| Milhouse | Will Elop survive, will there be much left of Nokia by the time he gets the push... | 20:59 |
| javispedro | MrCase: nothing save for "microsoft-selected third parties" (and of course microsoft themselves, their own apps are c++) | 21:00 |
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| ali1234 | Milhouse: he'll sell what's left to micrsoft, like he did with macromedia and adobe... | 21:00 |
| lbt | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 "two turkeys don't make an eagle" | 21:00 |
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| Milhouse | Google, Apple, ARM all up - Nokia 15% down | 21:00 |
| d12n | i like the turkey picture | 21:00 |
| sebsauer | source re Qt will not be on WP7; http://www.appscout.com/2011/02/nokia_no_qt_for_windows_phone.php | 21:00 |
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| EdLin | ali1234: I don't think Microsoft is interested in buying a giant mobile phone manufactorer. | 21:01 |
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| EdLin | ali1234: they are, however, happy to crush them the way they did with Palm. | 21:01 |
| MrCase | :-) | 21:01 |
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| hirabayashitaro | microsoft... lol | 21:03 |
| niala1 | microsoft will have a big party this week end i suppose, with champagne and toasts | 21:03 |
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| Aranel | GAN900: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/02/linux-foundation-meego-nokia-jim-zemlin/ | 21:03 |
| fendel | niala1: They should. They do deserve it. Great work on Microsofts behalf | 21:04 |
| Aranel | GAN900: now I understand what you meant =) | 21:04 |
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| hirabayashitaro | well, nokia announced also which is the future of meego? | 21:05 |
| iekku | hirabayashitaro, it's not something nokia can decide | 21:05 |
| niala1 | hirabayashitaro: meego continue without nokia... more excactly he s "promise" just a meego phone | 21:06 |
| hirabayashitaro | iekku: but they can decide how many founds to give to the project, which is not irrelevant at all | 21:06 |
| niala1 | right | 21:07 |
| uhsf | aren't you amazed by the extreme stupidity of Nokia's leaders? I mean 15% market shares drop in a few hours, I don't know anything about market shares, but even I could've predicted this easily. why so much stupidity is beyond my understanding. | 21:07 |
| sebsauer | http://wmpoweruser.com/bad-news-for-nokia-developers-nokia-dumps-qt-for-wp7/ | 21:07 |
| lbt | "We reserve the right to introduce tablets using other platforms, including ones we may be working on internally," he (elop) said. | 21:08 |
| d12n | reserve the right? | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | ... | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | sigh | 21:08 |
| lbt | meh... I'm just hoping to keep a job at this point ;) | 21:08 |
| lbt | as, no doubt, are many others... | 21:09 |
| Milhouse | lbt: best of luck to you all | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | i am a little curious how meego-nokia will look internally now | 21:09 |
| bunk | uhsf: Don't bother about short-term tock value changes. It was an interesting change, and it will take a few years to see if it was good or bad for Nokia. | 21:09 |
| d12n | yap best wishes | 21:09 |
| EdLin | lbt: elop is planning on cutting "over a thousand jobs" so polish your resume and look elsewhere. | 21:09 |
| hirabayashitaro | bunk: no way | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | EdLin: that's easy by cutting symbian, though | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:10 |
| EdLin | Stskeeps: he's not exactly increasing the size of meego spending either. | 21:10 |
| hena | elop would be nuts to cut from meego | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | EdLin: of course, but there's definately cuts to be made to center qt-symbian-meego apps | 21:11 |
| bunk | hirabayashitaro: Why not? | 21:11 |
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| EdLin | hena: he has said he's going to cut it by 2/3rds already. | 21:11 |
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| Milhouse | if you cut symbian, and meego is turned into a "project", the motivation for qt and meego developers will go through the floor... | 21:11 |
| MrCase | the dude responsible for meego quit yesterday. | 21:11 |
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| hirabayashitaro | bunk: after a public event like this shares are supposed to grow in any case | 21:11 |
| Milhouse | basically, motivation will go to shit | 21:12 |
| Milhouse | along with morale | 21:12 |
| d12n | Edlin: which is a really good investment in the future... | 21:12 |
| EdLin | d12n: they are gutting R&D, what future? | 21:12 |
| hirabayashitaro | bunk: two failures toghter don't form a success | 21:12 |
| d12n | sorry that was sarcasm | 21:12 |
| guest7 | any idea what mwc will bring? | 21:12 |
| bunk | hirabayashitaro: Such short-term value changes are not very meaningful. | 21:12 |
| MrCase | -15.81% | 21:13 |
| EdLin | d12n: i thought it might be, but wasn't sure. :) | 21:13 |
| niala1 | Milhouse: you re right :( | 21:13 |
| d12n | EdLin: it was ;-) | 21:13 |
| EdLin | Milhouse: morale is in the toilet, a thousand nokia employees walked out in protest. | 21:13 |
| lbt | MrCase: wow ... I guess we're not the only ones thinking it's a dipshit move | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | MrCase: saw it at 16 before | 21:14 |
| Milhouse | guest7: more promises that nobody will believe, and no new products to buy would be my guess | 21:14 |
| blizzow | Who is the person "in charge of Meego" that quit yesterday? | 21:14 |
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| bunk | hirabayashitaro: M$ has a smartphone operating system but no devices, and N is by far the biggest device manufacturer in the world but is behind on having a competitive software platform. | 21:14 |
| Milhouse | blizzow: Alberto Torres | 21:14 |
| MrCase | blizzow: http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/group-executive-board/alberto-torres | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | blizzow: MeeGo in Nokia | 21:15 |
| guest7 | @milhouse: yep... sounds like a realistic guess :/ | 21:15 |
| MrCase | oh | 21:15 |
| MrCase | they took the page down | 21:15 |
| MrCase | ... | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | evening mwichmann | 21:15 |
| mwichmann | hi | 21:15 |
| guest7 | still curious about what intel is up to now | 21:15 |
| Milhouse | honestly, after all the changes in strategy over the last few years, and now this, you'd have to be mad to bet serious investment on anything nokia are involved with. | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | guest7: meego goes on, it seems | 21:15 |
| lbt | guest7: buying eyedrops | 21:15 |
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| lbt | since apparently they're not blinking ;) | 21:16 |
| guest7 | hehe | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | nightwalk: larne? | 21:16 |
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| d12n | intel has to reflect? | 21:16 |
| Wellark | ohh, I don't know how to feel right now.. I'm just so sad.. | 21:16 |
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| Milhouse | MeeGo needs a new big name parter in the mobile space... | 21:16 |
| hirabayashitaro | bunk: there are plenty of things that ms does't have | 21:16 |
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| fendel | Positive view: The Nokia move shows how much mobile phones are becoming a competitive mass produced market. This is a market where things will change and opportunities exist. | 21:17 |
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| bunk | hirabayashitaro: I'm more puzzled how N changes it's strategy every 1-2 years instead of doing one thing consequently. | 21:17 |
| niala1 | Milhouse: +1 | 21:17 |
| Milhouse | And with a bit of luck, they'll make a success out of MeeGo while Nokia fails miserably with WP7. | 21:17 |
| sebsauer | http://www.worldnewsmania.com/2011/02/11/technology/nokia-windows-phone-will-not-support-qt-symbian-developers-left-high-and-dry/ | 21:17 |
| blizzow | So is there any good hardware out there for a qwerty phone? | 21:17 |
| fendel | There are one other huge potential: Intel is still not a major player on mobile phones. Intel is involved in MeeGo and Linux | 21:17 |
| MrCase | blizzow: milestone 2? | 21:17 |
| MrCase | blizzow: cam might suck a bit. | 21:18 |
| sebsauer | silverlight only, that's stupid | 21:18 |
| MrCase | and XNA. | 21:18 |
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| MrCase | does XNA support opengl? | 21:18 |
| Wellark | this whole "abandon Qt" just demonstrates lovely how this new strategy is a flying duck | 21:18 |
| Milhouse | MrCase: DirectX | 21:18 |
| Wellark | Qt made sense for nokia | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | they just alienated whatever developer community they had | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:18 |
| Chani | funny, I thougght I heard that silverlight was being discontinued last week. maybe I was dreaming... | 21:18 |
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| sebsauer | that also removes any upgrade-path | 21:18 |
| Wellark | Qt made sense for all the partners | 21:18 |
| fendel | Stskeeps, Seems like that has been the main Nokia strategy the last year | 21:18 |
| Wellark | and now it's all destroyed | 21:19 |
| Milhouse | Qt made perfect sense for Nokia, that's also why this is such an incredible turn around | 21:19 |
| MrCase | Milhouse: so one would need some kind of 3d engine that runs on XNA and opengl in order to be able to deploy the mobile apps on major mobile OSes. | 21:19 |
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| MrCase | not sure such thing exists for cheap money. | 21:19 |
| blizzow | looks like I'm looking for an N900 to baby for a while. | 21:19 |
| bunk | hirabayashitaro: Did MeeGo or Symbian offer a better mid-term and long-term alternative to N? And having M$ as a partner can bring advantages. | 21:20 |
| * Chani is hearing more positive things about qt, but, no details... | 21:20 | |
| hena | buy mine | 21:20 |
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| sebsauer | Commondore 64, Delphi and now Qt. Good things die first :-( | 21:20 |
| d12n | Qt is not dead | 21:20 |
| niala1 | yes and amiga | 21:20 |
| MrCase | bunk: Meego with a Dalvik VM was the route for me. | 21:20 |
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| fendel | sebsauer: C64? That one sold for a long time. Amiga did well after that...? | 21:20 |
| Milhouse | bunk: Nokia could have gone to Microsoft for Bing (search) and advertising, without selling out on their entire platform... | 21:21 |
| sebsauer | yeah, Amiga was great too | 21:21 |
| fendel | sebsauer: Amiga messed up | 21:21 |
| Milhouse | this decision today just shows a complete lack of ambition./ | 21:21 |
| d12n | c64 wasn't GPL'ed | 21:21 |
| niala1 | amiga ---> amigo ---> meego | 21:21 |
| * TSCHAKeee is an ex Amiga, and NeXT developer. | 21:21 | |
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| Milhouse | A small Canadian firm are doing exactly what Nokia can't, for crying out loud (RIM). | 21:21 |
| EdLin | TSCHAKeee: NeXT isn't dead, it's OS X. | 21:22 |
| d12n | niala1: :D | 21:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | EdLin: I know. | 21:22 |
| fendel | Milhouse: :-) Nokia management can't. That is the problem | 21:22 |
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| d12n | EdLin: well because there was a vision which was kept up | 21:22 |
| d12n | (not by apple though) | 21:22 |
| EdLin | d12n: Apple was bought out by NeXT, not the other way around. ;-) | 21:23 |
| fendel | I hope as many ex-Nokia employees as possible start new companies | 21:23 |
| d12n | EdLin: I know but the vision did not come from Apple | 21:23 |
| uhsf | now that Nokia's dead, my main concern is about the future of open mobile devices. what company could make any interesting hardware in a foreseable future? | 21:23 |
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| wmarone | EdLin: Apple bought Jobs and got NeXT as a freebie | 21:23 |
| EdLin | d12n: it came from Steve Jobs, which is Apple. | 21:24 |
| Milhouse | fendel: True, but I honestly thought they had a winning plan - which they've just torn up. | 21:24 |
| d12n | nope | 21:24 |
| niala1 | next win7p/nokia phone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT2 | 21:24 |
| d12n | EdLin: he "was quitted" then | 21:24 |
| fendel | uhsf: Some unknown Chinese company. They push what ever all the time. It will be "white box" phones from some of those factories. | 21:24 |
| bunk | Milhouse: "Nokia's content and application store would be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience." - N failed on doing that themselves, and if the two companies get that up and running together that's an interesting option. | 21:24 |
| fendel | Milhouse: I had hope myself | 21:25 |
| EdLin | d12n: I'm aware of that, but Apple is Steve Jobs - without him, it was a zombie of a company. ;-) | 21:25 |
| hirabayashitaro | Was listening to today's the not so slim nokia CEO's speech and had the irresistible impulse to buy an iPhone.. Where to buy one? | 21:25 |
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| d12n | EdLin: yes .... isn't that a message? | 21:25 |
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| bunk | Milhouse: That's the part of the business where the huge profit is. | 21:25 |
| EdLin | hirabayashitaro: so you heard nokia announce using a closed platform, and you want to buy a diffferent closed platform? | 21:26 |
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| Milhouse | bunk: where, in an app store? | 21:26 |
| bunk | Milhouse: yes | 21:26 |
| guest7 | (Genivi) Intel, BMW, General Motors, PSA Peugeot, Magneti Marelli and Bosch agreed on meego as a reference platform.. so meego's future might is the in-vehicle branch... | 21:26 |
| hirabayashitaro | EdLin: Sure, so I can at least have a working japanese input | 21:26 |
| guest7 | would be horrible though.. cant afford a bmw just to use open source os ;) | 21:26 |
| EdLin | guest7: meego is going to be continued to be developed by intel, and it may very well be only for non-mobile platforms by the looks of it. | 21:27 |
| Milhouse | bunk: maybe, but Ovi Store was gaining in downloads/day quite nicely. Things actually looked to be on the up. | 21:27 |
| niala1 | guest7: for now that is just promises | 21:27 |
| EdLin | well, I guess cars are mobile.... | 21:27 |
| fendel | guest7: The different MeeGo branches help the others | 21:27 |
| niala1 | i see nothing from amd, peugeot, bmw etc.... | 21:27 |
| hirabayashitaro | EdLin: Something that I'm not supposed to have in the near future... Or maybe I can consider android... | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: when was next TSG planned? | 21:27 |
| fendel | EdLin: I expect cars to have sim-cards, ipv6, LTE, GPS, and so on | 21:28 |
| niala1 | wordw words words only words they use meego ONLY if the community do the work | 21:28 |
| Milhouse | bunk: the problems should have been manageable... instead they've just thrown everything out, baby and bathwater. this isn't about eco-systems though, being realistic this is about reducing costs and head-count at Nokia. | 21:28 |
| EdLin | hirabayashitaro: I'm enjoying my HTC HD2, it runs meego, android, wp7 (!), ubuntu, or wp6.5. | 21:28 |
| EdLin | er, wm6.5 | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: or at least, the initially planned one | 21:28 |
| fendel | niala1: They will probably sponsored targeted projects | 21:28 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: plans for official announcments to community ? | 21:28 |
| bunk | Milhouse: AS I already said, the bad thing I see about N is that they change their strategy every 1-2 years. | 21:28 |
| hirabayashitaro | EdLin: Sure you're right. | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: no, just curious | 21:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: 2 weeks - 2 days | 21:29 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: okay. | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 21:29 |
| EdLin | hirabayashitaro: I'm thinking of getting an n900 to replace my n810 if prices drop a lot. | 21:29 |
| lbt | Jaffa, X-Fade and I had a proposal.... | 21:29 |
| EdLin | which they probably will, already down to $350. | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: true, life must go on | 21:30 |
| hirabayashitaro | EdLin: want mine? Just joking... maybe | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia stopped selling N900 in Finland, gone from their webshop | 21:30 |
| EdLin | hirabayashitaro: does yours have t-mobile us bands? :-) | 21:30 |
| fendel | What is the state of MeeGo on N900? | 21:30 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: we don't have one on the schedule right now. This week was cancelled, next week is MWC and then imad is on vacation for 2 weeks | 21:30 |
| sivang | lbt: ? | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: alright | 21:31 |
| guest7 | @fendel: works afaik | 21:31 |
| hirabayashitaro | EdLin: I suppose it hasn't... Don't know. I'm not Amrican tough | 21:31 |
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| guest7 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:32 |
| EdLin | hirabayashitaro: it's called AWS, 1700 up, 2100 down, although these are also european bands, it uses them in a different way. | 21:32 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: but surely some official messages to community will come sooner than this time frame? | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: technically 'only' meego needs to worry about is status of their upstreams | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's Qt and the individual components nokia contributes - as well as if the people nominated in the MeeGo project continues | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: I think everyone is still regrouping right now - I'm hoping that we'll have more communication next week, but no promises | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: I don't get to decide when to communicate something big like this ;) | 21:33 |
| EdLin | Stskeeps: meego also is hardware, and without anyone making hardware for it, it'd be like openmoko. | 21:33 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: Nokia is not supporting qt anymore? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | At least let nokia show something at thw MWC! | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: didn't say that | 21:34 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: I have asked that we get something out to the community as soon as we can | 21:34 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: Just asking... | 21:34 |
| RST38h | Even if it is only a mock N8 with WP7 :) | 21:34 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: thank you I appreciate it | 21:34 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: sure, what about developer offering that has been driven jointly , websites , events etc? | 21:34 |
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| * marsje wonders how/when/if he will ever get an open phone... | 21:34 | |
| niala1 | hirabayashitaro: meego and qt migrate to research ... not good next stage it's trash | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: in more light news, do we have a birthday party for MeeGo announcement planned? ;) | 21:35 |
| sivang | lbt: a com | 21:35 |
| niala1 | for nokia | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | (15th) | 21:35 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: :) | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: not that I know of, but we should do something | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:35 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: wondering how to do virtual cake and candles :) | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | been one heck of a year :) | 21:35 |
| bunk | May I ask a technical question about a problem I have with MeeGo on a device? | 21:36 |
| timoph | we need a meegon cake! | 21:36 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: you can say that again | 21:36 |
| * niala1 offer beer and weeds for all | 21:36 | |
| hirabayashitaro | niala1: I see, just I supposed | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: gladly | 21:36 |
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| hirabayashitaro | No one involved with intel who knows which is the position from that side? | 21:36 |
| MrCase | -15.99% again. | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: so far meego is going ahead afaik | 21:37 |
| MrCase | i hope it drops to -80% and someone takes over. | 21:37 |
| javispedro | MrCase: it will be gates. | 21:37 |
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| niala1 | hirabayashitaro: intel must be chocked too, i suppose they have a meeting and decide for the futur | 21:38 |
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| * marsje wonders when Microsoft will buy Nokia | 21:38 | |
| timoph | Stskeeps: why wouldn't it go on? besides if all commercial players leave, we can rename it to mer :) | 21:38 |
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| bunk | Can anyone give me a hint what might be going wrong when uxlaunch does not start the applications in /etc/xdg/autostart ? | 21:38 |
| dwd | hirabayashitaro, There's an Intel statement, basically saying it's business as usual for them. | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | bunk: are you on NFS? | 21:39 |
| niala1 | now wait for windows7 car and tv and plane!!! LOL | 21:39 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: yes | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | hirabayashitaro: Intel is moving full steam ahead on MeeGo. We still need to digest all of this news, of course. | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | bunk: there's a bug related to that i believe | 21:39 |
| sebsauer | niala1: that's not funny but scary | 21:39 |
| treebeen` | windows tv 7 ;) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: hang on | 21:39 |
| sivang | timoph++ and put it back to deb? :) | 21:39 |
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| bunk | Stskeeps: sure :) | 21:39 |
| niala1 | sebsauer: :) | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: ew | 21:40 |
| timoph | DawnFoster: good to hear. I know I'll contribute to it whatever I can | 21:40 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: kidding sorry bad day for that :) | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | the thing that is really nice about working with and contributing to MeeGo is that it is -fun-. | 21:40 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: you know if other than intel have already submit works for meego? or just promises for now ? | 21:41 |
| sivang | for us it is love not just work or loss of work :) | 21:41 |
| dwd | DawnFoster, I don't suppose there's any public info about that Atom-based phone they mentioned, is there? | 21:41 |
| LinuxCode | give the girl a break lol | 21:41 |
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| timoph | :) | 21:41 |
| niala1 | :) | 21:41 |
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| guest7 | well.. gotta go back to work now.. since i have to save up more money than expected for my meego mobile device... still have to figure out how to answer calls in a meeting with a bmw 5 though... gl guys | 21:41 |
| LinuxCode | Im sure they will make an announcement soon | 21:41 |
| niala1 | i will remember this day a long time | 21:41 |
| DawnFoster | dwd: not yet, Intel product announcements are made by different teams at Intel. | 21:42 |
| LinuxCode | ohh wait its Friday | 21:42 |
| bluelf | will meego participate in gsoc this year? | 21:42 |
| LinuxCode | Monday! | 21:42 |
| DawnFoster | bluelf: we're starting to look at gsoc | 21:42 |
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| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, you should, we are | 21:43 |
| LinuxCode | looking for projects atm | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: count me in for mentoring :) | 21:43 |
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| thiago_home | qt's open governance hasn't advanced enough to allow me to apply qt this year | 21:43 |
| sivang | thiago_home: :/ | 21:43 |
| dwd | DawnFoster, Thanks. By the way, I appreciate the fact you've been here since the wee small hours. | 21:43 |
| CosmoHill | hey thiago_home | 21:43 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: awesome, thanks! | 21:44 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: Same here! | 21:44 |
| oilinki | no one here? | 21:44 |
| LinuxCode | if ya dump a site up now, could have some projects to submit soon | 21:44 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: with Python speciality | 21:44 |
| DawnFoster | dwd / sivang: thanks. I like to at least be here for the community - I can sleep later :) | 21:44 |
| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, lol, thats dedication! | 21:44 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: you are too cute, really:) | 21:44 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: I hope we can play wearwoulves again soon | 21:45 |
| DawnFoster | awww, thanks :) | 21:45 |
| dwd | Has there been any contact from Nokia to the MeeGo community? | 21:45 |
| bluelf | I would like to work in meego . Can you point me to some documentation that will help me get started with it ? | 21:45 |
| LinuxCode | dwd, apart from two fingers ? | 21:45 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | bluelf: welcome - we have a how to contribute to meego :) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | bluelf: hang on | 21:45 |
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| DawnFoster | sivang: we'll have werewolf at the next meego conference, and I'm hoping to get a couple of games going at the CollabSummit in April | 21:46 |
| sivang | I wonder where is Quim though | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: like the rest of nokians, regrouping | 21:46 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: collabsummit from LFS? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 21:46 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I guess. | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: you'll want to poke 'nazgee' for his patch | 21:47 |
| Saviq | sivang: he's wearing his other MeeGo shirt | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | bluelf: my internet is utterly slow, but look for contribution guidelines on meego.com | 21:47 |
| Saviq | but you probably know that alreday | 21:47 |
| DawnFoster | This has to be really hard for the Nokians working day to day on the project - let's give them some time to digest what all of this means for them | 21:47 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: Do you have a bug URL. | 21:47 |
| thiago_home | we're hiding, trying to steer clear from the discussions | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: was trying to find it | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: but all my tcp connections stall in funny ways | 21:48 |
| bluelf | Stskeeps, ok | 21:48 |
| tybollt | where does todays news leave QT at large? | 21:48 |
| sivang | thiago_home: keep safe | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: Quiet? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: ah, found the merge | 21:48 |
| tybollt | I mean seeing as nokia bought trolltech (right?) they will just drop qt all together now, or? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: go read the press materials, that explains a little more | 21:49 |
| thiago_home | like I said, keeping clear of the discussions | 21:49 |
| sivang | sad to hear that wonderful music that always was in the background of device demos in helsinki promotion videos with the new video of the partnership | 21:49 |
| openstandards | i can't get over how much nokia's stock has been dropping | 21:49 |
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| sivang | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3ksR8zgXg | 21:49 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Linux_Foundation_Collaboration_Summit_planning <- I just added an informal gathering section with werewolf as the first idea :) | 21:50 |
| sebsauer | thank you sivang :) | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting for qt 4.7.2 in meego at the moment, as that should get us meegographicssystem for libmeegotouch | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | (is disabled atm) | 21:51 |
| uhsf | Nokia should have kept GTK in the first place, Qt is in part why Nokia was never able to release Meego | 21:51 |
| sivang | sebsauer: for what ? :) | 21:51 |
| openstandards | how well does kde mobile work on meego | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | uhsf: naah. that wasn't it | 21:51 |
| sebsauer | sivang: for rememering me with that video by I left Windows long ago | 21:52 |
| niala1 | sivang: your links was not necessary :( | 21:52 |
| Milhouse | 15.99% down... come on, go below 16... | 21:52 |
| niala1 | now | 21:52 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: otoh you have to think what would happened if they had just released a n901 a few months ago | 21:52 |
| Milhouse | woot! -16.08% :) | 21:52 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: any eta for that? | 21:52 |
| javispedro | would elop be the ceo? :) | 21:52 |
| sivang | niala1: well, it is very saddening to me. | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: 4.7.2? | 21:52 |
| timoph | yep | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: supposedly FEA is accepted, but i don't know if 4.7.2 is even out :) | 21:52 |
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| timoph | ah :) | 21:53 |
| niala1 | sivang: elop face bug my splendid asus s101 atom meego | 21:53 |
| openstandards | Milhouse: i feel sorry for the devs of nokia.... they have families the more the stock drops the more people will be laid off | 21:53 |
| openstandards | don't hate nokia because of some ex-microsoft jackass | 21:54 |
| uhsf | I think it would be a great time to reunite Maemo and Meego communities into one, to join forces and produce the best open mobile platform, and under a better name by the occasion. | 21:54 |
| niala1 | openstandards: +10000000 | 21:54 |
| Milhouse | openstandards: i doubt that, to be honest. they'll be laid off irrespective of stock price, but if it continues to tank maybe they won't. I feel very sorry for them though, and hope they'll all be ok. | 21:54 |
| niala1 | openstandards: sad day for european industry, if i permit politic talk here | 21:54 |
| Milhouse | i'm hoping that if the market continues to give the thumbs down for this new strategy, the board (or someone) will grow the balls to think about reversing it... i can dream anyway. | 21:55 |
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| openstandards | Milhouse: I'm friends with a dev that worked for symbian that went onto nokia... and lets just say nokia uk wasn't doing great back in nov | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | I tend to throw phones at people | 21:56 |
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| openstandards | so its certainly not going to get any better | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | so a nokia phone with windows and a blue screen would be a good brick | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait, that's not what you meant by ball | 21:56 |
| openstandards | Milhouse: all it means is some ass is going to buy a ton of nokias shares for cheap and its not going to help anyone | 21:56 |
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| Milhouse | openstandards: I'd expect the people to be cut have already been identified, the share price isn't likely to affect that at all. | 21:57 |
| niala1 | if we forget nokia what s new in congress ? | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | niala1: i'm hoping to see other meego announcements really | 21:57 |
| javispedro | funnily enough, | 21:57 |
| openstandards | Milhouse: that might be the case however more job cuts will come | 21:57 |
| javispedro | htc just said that they're not showing any wp7 phones at mwc | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: interesting | 21:57 |
| javispedro | but that they "still believe in wp7" | 21:58 |
| niala1 | Stskeeps: we needs asian | 21:58 |
| Milhouse | openstandards: no doubt, but a tanking share price is the only hope for change - if it starts to go up it vindicates this announcement. | 21:58 |
| sivang | javispedro: heh :) | 21:58 |
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| Milhouse | hope for change == back to meego, qt, etc. | 21:58 |
| openstandards | Milhouse: it will jump up again as the stock falls | 21:58 |
| Milhouse | even symbian, which i think is a good mobile os - just needs a new lick of paint. | 21:58 |
| thiago_home | so now it's time to say something which I have been allowed to say already: qt is not disappearing, open governance continues | 21:59 |
| * thiago_home goes back to idling and reading | 21:59 | |
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| openstandards | its going to be a yoyo till one company decides to buy enough shares to do damage | 21:59 |
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| Milhouse | openstandards: we'll see, too early to call it now... just interesting to see it go south | 21:59 |
| * Stskeeps thanks thiago_home | 21:59 | |
| * sivang thanks thiago_home | 21:59 | |
| javispedro | no need to found the freeqt foundation then I guess =) | 21:59 |
| thiago_home | found? | 21:59 |
| javispedro | *start | 21:59 |
| thiago_home | do you mean another one? | 21:59 |
| thiago_home | you know, the KDE Free Qt Foundation already exists | 22:00 |
| pvaz | ping lbt | 22:00 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | it's maybe not what you want, but a foundation exists :-) | 22:00 |
| lbt | pvaz: pong | 22:00 |
| pvaz | heheeh | 22:01 |
| lbt | yeah, your account doesn't appear to be there | 22:01 |
| pvaz | strange, I've create on meego website | 22:01 |
| sebsauer | great to hear thiago_home, thx :) | 22:01 |
| pvaz | oh, I should register on obs ? | 22:01 |
| lbt | no meego.com website | 22:02 |
| lbt | what's your email - msg me if you like | 22:02 |
| pvaz | pvaz@valorverde.pt | 22:02 |
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| lbt | well now... it is possible that the meego.com website stopped syncing again | 22:03 |
| lbt | I dunno what those guys keep doing... | 22:03 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: want me to ping Mike to have him look at the account snc? | 22:04 |
| fendel | Open Source + Asians + fast growing economies + cheaper hardware + the hardware openness Android has made = opportunities | 22:05 |
| pvaz | strange, even i tried to create on opensuse build system, and gives error | 22:05 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: adam just signed in... gimme a sec | 22:05 |
| lbt | pvaz: that won't work | 22:05 |
| sebsauer | So Qt@Symbian then. The N8 has 4.6 pre-installed and rocks already. | 22:05 |
| pvaz | lbt: yes, seems so | 22:05 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: cool - let me know if I can help - otherwise I'll just stay out of your way :) | 22:05 |
| pvaz | DawnFoster: Thank you | 22:06 |
| Milhouse | "$NOK down 16% in New York. Nokia's soul down even more in Finland." <---Asymco | 22:06 |
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| * thiago_home thinks the stock down that much has moved from "market reaction" to the "investor panic" range | 22:06 | |
| * timoph nods | 22:07 | |
| lbt | DawnFoster: mmm adam's not responded ... pinging Mike would be good. Last sync at 14:58 server time | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago_home: or that they simply don't believe in the direction, maybe | 22:08 |
| ColKilkenny | whatever nokia does the stock goes down, completely normal for nokia :) | 22:08 |
| lbt | "abandon linux and watch your stock collapse" | 22:08 |
| timoph | hmmh. I could package something to kill the time. anything simple missing from MeeGo? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: "joe" | 22:08 |
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| timoph | joe? what's that | 22:08 |
| niala1 | timoph: vnc | 22:08 |
| iekku | joe doe? | 22:08 |
| lbt | timoph: package it in c.OBS | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: my favorite editor | 22:08 |
| Milhouse | editor | 22:08 |
| niala1 | tigervnc | 22:08 |
| * WindowsPhone7 brings you: Trojan Horse | 22:08 | |
| timoph | lbt: was planning to | 22:08 |
| WindowsPhone7 | have fun | 22:09 |
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| sivang | lbt++ | 22:09 |
| lbt | good ... I want to get some maintained apps sorted | 22:09 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: ack. I'll start with it | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, while i'm a vim user, i like joe better as it uses same shortcuts as PolyPascal editor..) | 22:09 |
| timoph | I thought MeeGo had a vnc client already | 22:09 |
| lbt | I also would like to see some of the non-essential come out of MeeGo core and into a more community supportable area | 22:10 |
| pvaz | Anyone knows if it's possible to put MeeGo working on a ARM11 tablet ? | 22:10 |
| velope | yes, a big upset today | 22:10 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: regardless of the current mess going on, what was the field you were looking for help with? something about packaging IIRC? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | pvaz: we currently build meego for armv7 and higher | 22:10 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: meego requires armv7 | 22:10 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: policy :) | 22:10 |
| pvaz | Stskeeps: But cannot use higher arm cpu ? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | pvaz: arm11 is lower | 22:11 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: mike is looking into it | 22:11 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: that's the other topic, yes | 22:11 |
| lbt | I'd like to get some Team areas and top level projects started | 22:11 |
| * WindowsPhone7 raped MeeGo | 22:11 | |
| lbt | DawnFoster: thanks | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: it goes like this: arm9 (armv5), arm11 (armv6), cortex-a8 (armv7) | 22:11 |
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| dm8tbr | can someone please plonk the troll? | 22:11 |
| iekku | WindowsPhone7, haa haa, very funny | 22:11 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: so be careful when saying "a9" (cortex-a9, an armv7) and "arm9" | 22:11 |
| pvaz | thiago_home: thank you, always learning | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | WindowsPhone7: please adhere to http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines or we'll have to ask you to leave | 22:12 |
| iekku | DawnFoster, could you please do something? | 22:12 |
| auke | dm8tbr: which troll? | 22:12 |
| * niala1 enjoy that nobody answer the troll | 22:12 | |
| dm8tbr | auke: WindowsPhone7 | 22:12 |
| niala1 | too late | 22:12 |
| auke | sorry, just walked in from lunch | 22:12 |
| WindowsPhone7 | Stskeeps: meh, I feel very sorry about all :( | 22:12 |
| WindowsPhone7 | I almost cryed :/ | 22:12 |
| Vid | Stskeeps, do you have a link for the Nokia press release on the status of Qt? | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: the ones with "v" indicate the instruction set and major architecture | 22:12 |
| WindowsPhone7 | I seriously dont understand how they made such thing | 22:12 |
| auke | WindowsPhone7: please, just log out instead of misbehaving | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | Vid: nokia.com/press , blogs.forum.nokia.com etc | 22:12 |
| sivang | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers | 22:12 |
| niala1 | Vid: is every where on the internet | 22:12 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: v7 is the latest | 22:12 |
| sivang | Vid: ^^ | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | WindowsPhone7: well, switch to a less insulting nickname then ;) | 22:13 |
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| sivang | WindowsPhone7: please | 22:13 |
| WindowsPhone7 | k | 22:13 |
| sivang | :) | 22:13 |
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| pvaz | thiago_home: thanks, you have any idea if anyone have made it for any tablet made in china ? | 22:13 |
| * WindowsPhone7 < MeeGo | 22:13 | |
| *** WindowsPhone7 is now known as HtheB | 22:13 | |
| niala1 | WindowsPhone7: laugh with windows community please if they exist | 22:13 |
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| auke | thanks | 22:14 |
| thiago_home | pvaz: no clue. | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm almost afraid to read talk.maemo.org today, heh | 22:14 |
| niala1 | HtheB: thanks you re welcome | 22:14 |
| HtheB | auke: np | 22:14 |
| HtheB | niala1: ? | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, you don't want to, I think there are about 9+ threads on the Nokia + MS partnership | 22:15 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: after seeing what went on here and on #maemo during the day I wouldn't dare to touch it with a 10m pole | 22:15 |
| HtheB | I dont know if you guys already know about this: | 22:15 |
| niala1 | thank to change nick... anyway forget | 22:15 |
| pvaz | thiago_home: I think it was amazing to spread meego, since the market of tablets is predicted to by millions this year | 22:15 |
| HtheB | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/11/another-ex-microsoft-appointed-as-nokias-north-american-president/ | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: yeah, we read that | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Stay away fromtmo for Tetnacled's sake | 22:16 |
| sivang | dm8tbr: lol | 22:16 |
| HtheB | Well... I guess its Time to join Intel and AMD and leave Nokia | 22:16 |
| dm8tbr | let's just nuke it from orbit, k? | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: meego goes on | 22:16 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: yeah :) thats for sure | 22:17 |
| * dm8tbr plonks HtheB, should have done it earlier | 22:17 | |
| HtheB | but who will make the devices? | 22:17 |
| pvaz | I believe that we should do all we can to make meego become stronger and stronger, againts all speculations that want to make the project to go down. Android is good, indeed, but MeeGo can have it's own space | 22:17 |
| HtheB | any other manufacturer that will use MeeGo? ... | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: the question is, who wont? | 22:18 |
| pvaz | Personally I do not like Android | 22:18 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: Nokia wont... | 22:18 |
| HtheB | well.. they will do... but | 22:18 |
| HtheB | "as an experiment" ¬_¬ | 22:18 |
| HtheB | That guy doesnt like Open Source at all | 22:18 |
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| fendel | pvaz, I also believe there is room for Meego. It is room for a few billion mobile units. That make space for more players | 22:19 |
| Vid | sivang, thanks for the link. The paragraph on Qt talks about Symbian mostly, and holds out a carrot to devs promising they could 'migrate' to meego in the future | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | Actually, with today's announcement, I realized how other alternatives are meh-y, so I'm looking into MeeGo again | 22:19 |
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| niala1 | HtheB: "HtheB: "as an experiment" ¬_¬" experiment like bad boy experiment cat on water | 22:19 |
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| Vid | But I was looking for info on their future plans for licensing Qt after Symbian is gone | 22:20 |
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| pvaz | fendel: Yes, I have nothing against android, I think Android is good, for me personally does not make me "in love", as long as MeeGo and since I use QT for a long time now, it's better. Also the UI it's far better than Android, on my opinion | 22:20 |
| sivang | Vid: so yes, I don'tbeloieve nokia board want to see it dead. so they buyus time withWP7 when it is finished with qt it replaces WP7 | 22:20 |
| treebeen` | wow, pretty scary, i turned off adblocking to see what the internet is like with ads: it's horrible | 22:20 |
| sivang | Vid: the strategy can be canged anytime and the hint for that is "distruptive technolgoies" | 22:21 |
| * thiago_home resists... urge... to comment! | 22:21 | |
| RST38h | ahhaha | 22:21 |
| sivang | so meego investment is protected as 'distrup[tive' forthe next gen | 22:21 |
| sivang | thiago_home: hmm, am I the fool on the hill? :) | 22:21 |
| * CosmoHill pets thiago_home | 22:21 | |
| thiago_home | uh... no comments | 22:22 |
| sivang | hrm | 22:22 |
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| thiago_home | btw, if you want to know what a "disruptive technology" is, I recommend the book The Innovator's Solution | 22:22 |
| thiago_home | pretty heavy in management and strategy | 22:22 |
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| fendel | pvaz: I have a lot against android, but I respect their right to exist and see that it can be opportunity in cooperating with android communities. | 22:23 |
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| fendel | pvaz: I trust Google as much as I trust Chinese government, Russian mafia, and what else. Nice as long as we have the same goals. | 22:23 |
| fendel | "cloud" is great as long as it is MY cloud | 22:23 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: I guess I am a fool then :) | 22:24 |
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| thiago_home | sivang: no, you're not | 22:24 |
| * dm8tbr hands out free scoobie snacks to everyone | 22:25 | |
| pvaz | fendel: I do not thrust Chinese Gov, but reallity is that China is a sleeping dragon, awaking, and we cannot avoid it | 22:25 |
| sivang | thiago_home: ok :) | 22:25 |
| * sivang goes to order that book | 22:26 | |
| * thiago_home also liked yesterday's dilbert | 22:26 | |
| pvaz | fendel: they are now making huge business on tablets, many of low quality, indeed, but putting android and spreading android as a flag to sell their tablets. I believe that it was important to have MeeGo working on this tablets | 22:26 |
| fendel | pvaz: I do deal with both google and the Chinese. They are a fact of life, but I will not change my citizenship into Chinese or use Google services | 22:26 |
| HtheB | lets just thumb down this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3ksR8zgXg | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | dogbert was consulting and said: categorise your company: 1) facebook; 2) china; 3) irrelevant | 22:26 |
| RST38h | yea, yea,that is how a proper ceo thinks | 22:27 |
| pvaz | fendel: yes, I travel a lot to Asia but I also do not convert my self to their mind. | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home: Dilbert is awesome | 22:27 |
| fendel | pvaz: The Chinese communist party was official guests in my wedding. They had the table of honor. They are a fact of life and I respect that | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: every other office in Oslo has a dilbert strip glued to their windows | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | other offices have some mementos of Feb 11, 2010 | 22:28 |
| RST38h | same strip? | 22:28 |
| sivang | link to dilbert? | 22:28 |
| thiago_home | (yes, last year) | 22:28 |
| sivang | of yesterday | 22:28 |
| thiago_home | sivang: dilbert.com, click the back button | 22:28 |
| sivang | thanks | 22:28 |
| pvaz | fendel: I also respect them, but reality is that it's a comunist gov and have a close way of thinking. I have many good chinese friends, but indeed China is good for rich Chinese people | 22:29 |
| javispedro | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2011-02-10/ | 22:29 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home: my family always gives me the dilbert daily calendar for christmas. Dogbert is my hero :) | 22:29 |
| fendel | pvaz: :-) My view of Google is a bit similar. | 22:29 |
| pvaz | lbt: any luck ? | 22:29 |
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| * thiago_home has one that says something about trying to change the world with a powerpoint | 22:30 | |
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| fendel | Nokia down 15.17% | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | the Qt official blog is internally called the "PHB blog" | 22:30 |
| pvaz | fendel: yes, also, they want monopoly and what is happening to MeeGo is indeed the action of interest to make it go off. All the news outside it to damage the image of this great project | 22:30 |
| sivang | all interested in meego, meego will live in that project even within Nokia. we must recouncil as a community and help it as much as we can and I am sure external funding will come to bring it to the point where it is ripe for main show with qt and focus will shift again. | 22:31 |
| sivang | and we still have intel full steam | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: founding will be interesting | 22:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I have a hunch it will miracously appear | 22:31 |
| pvaz | sivang: I fully support you. The union makes it stronger. | 22:31 |
| lbt | pvaz: no, not yet... I don't have access to the source systems yet (not migrated) so I have to wait | 22:31 |
| * thiago_home has no plans of leaving this channel | 22:32 | |
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| sivang | so we should continue with meego on N900 and verticals without hesitationas just as with any community project. | 22:32 |
| aholler | anyone knows if there are still europeans in the board? | 22:32 |
| fendel | pvaz: Agree | 22:32 |
| sivang | and I am sure the LFS want sto see it prosper | 22:32 |
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| pvaz | lbt: please do not forget to help me on that, it's important for me. And thank you for your help. | 22:33 |
| sivang | and qt is going forward with open governece so should not be a problm to fix there what we need for meego | 22:33 |
| pvaz | sivang: to make it stronger is to make it alive | 22:33 |
| sivang | it is a live and one of the nicestFOSS to be part of , I assure you | 22:34 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: adam is looking into the account sync issue right now | 22:34 |
| sivang | and not just by the friendlynature of support channels | 22:34 |
| piggz | thiago_home: how do you see the outlook for meego/qt?....can you see projects like freoffice having a platform to run on? | 22:34 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: ta - it seemed to stop earlier today | 22:34 |
| uhsf | when do you expect Meego to be more usable than Maemo on a N900? | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | piggz: I'd rather not comment on anything official right now | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | uhsf: when you contribute | 22:35 |
| lbt | I'm going to be looking at some monitoring over the weekend too | 22:35 |
| sivang | uhsf: send a patch | 22:35 |
| thiago_home | piggz: the news are pretty fresh and everyone is still digesting them | 22:35 |
| sivang | uhsf: think of more app ideas that can be used only on posix based | 22:35 |
| sivang | oops | 22:35 |
| sivang | too religious a bit :) | 22:36 |
| piggz | thiago_home: i know, i have been digesting it all day, getting more and more depressed! | 22:36 |
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| piggz | i should remove twimgo from my n900...twitter is just gloomy! | 22:36 |
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| aholler | there is nothing to digest about, nokia done suicide. the might still sell some phones over the next years, but as sw will get more and more important, there is no future for nokia in the phone business | 22:37 |
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| piggz | well, thats certainly +ve ;) | 22:38 |
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| aholler | do think they can successfull just by soldering some chips together? | 22:41 |
| thiago_home | randomly? | 22:41 |
| auke | remember, this is a meego discussion channel, not a nokia discussion channel | 22:41 |
| dolp | mee go sleep now | 22:41 |
| niala1 | a little quiet, it feels good | 22:41 |
| thiago_home | RFC 2795 :-) | 22:41 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: You haven't forgotten my question? | 22:42 |
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| pvaz | I've create a forum for QT developers and I am trying to find some moderators to this forum and to help me making it known, anyone can help me ? | 22:42 |
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| thiago_home | pvaz: uh... please use the qt devnet instead | 22:43 |
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| thiago_home | pvaz: or qtcentre | 22:43 |
| niala1 | meego forum need helps | 22:43 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: OK, as soon as I ask I find it myself... | 22:43 |
| pvaz | thiago_home: I will | 22:44 |
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| bunk | Stskeeps: Thanks for the hint with the NFS, I'll check that. | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | bunk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/uxlaunch | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | check changes done there | 22:44 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: try again - sync should be working now | 22:45 |
| bunk | Stskeeps: yup, found it | 22:46 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: looks like ssh config on destination server changed & broke sync | 22:46 |
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| timoph | lbt: any progress on defining the surrounds/extras process? | 22:46 |
| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, you based in the UK ? | 22:46 |
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| DawnFoster | LinuxCode: nope - at Intel here in Oregon (US) | 22:47 |
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| LinuxCode | Computing Mag (free), does a weekly dilbert | 22:47 |
| DawnFoster | just working on UK time today with the Nokia announcements | 22:47 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: it's not there ... probably will turn up in 10 mins though | 22:47 |
| LinuxCode | or bi-weekly, cant recall now how often that thing comes through the door | 22:47 |
| LinuxCode | DawnFoster, there is a digital edition | 22:48 |
| lbt | pvaz: I've set it to add you in 15mins... try then | 22:48 |
| DawnFoster | LinuxCode: i'll have to check it out | 22:48 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.computing.co.uk/ | 22:48 |
| * piggz downloads the feb-11 build of meego for n900 | 22:48 | |
| * lbt -> until tomorrow .... 'night all .... hope there's better things to come ;) | 22:48 | |
| pvaz | lbt: I will do that. Thank you lbt and DawnFoster for all the help | 22:49 |
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| Myrtti | ho-hum | 22:52 |
| Myrtti | what a week | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 22:52 |
| * Stskeeps passes Myrtti tea | 22:52 | |
| DawnFoster | *yawn* not sleeping is starting to catch up with me. | 22:52 |
| crevetor | What day ! | 22:53 |
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| crevetor | What a dat ! | 22:53 |
| crevetor | can't type anymore.. | 22:53 |
| crevetor | Let me try again : What a day ! | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | Aranel, ha, I actually hadn't seen that. Weird coincidence. ;) | 22:53 |
| niala1 | intel will have a talk like nokia today at mobile world congress ? | 22:53 |
| pvaz | DawnFoster: wanna coffee ? | 22:53 |
| DawnFoster | pvaz: I've been drinking green tea since 2am | 22:54 |
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| DawnFoster | caffeine only gets me so far | 22:54 |
| pvaz | DawnFoster: Green Tea as lot of caffeine | 22:54 |
| niala1 | tea good idea...... | 22:54 |
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| pvaz | and tea if far better than coffee, and also you can eat some cookies ! lol | 22:54 |
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| piggz | i usually start the day with 2 filter coffess's, followed by a green tea in the afternoon | 22:55 |
| RST38h | You can just as well take it via a syringe... | 22:56 |
| MrCase | just imagine balmer and elop at this party: http://www.youtube.com/user/NokiaConversations#p/search/0/C1lEEllKAcE | 22:56 |
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| aholler | btw. how do I enable the virtual keyboard? I've installed large parts of meego from source. | 23:02 |
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| MrCase | the meego phone nokia "promised" will not be n900 by any chance? | 23:03 |
| niala1 | aholler: on netbook ? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | MrCase: nah, they're not -that- delusional | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| aholler | niala1: no, e.g. for touch-photo, -music -email | 23:04 |
| MrCase | i am wondering about the sorry state of the apps on the n900. | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | handset ux? | 23:05 |
| aholler | yes | 23:05 |
| niala1 | aholler: sorry i don't have any n900 i haven't try meego handset . | 23:05 |
| MrCase | like twimgo or newsflow, some of the supposedly better apps, they're lacking. | 23:05 |
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| niala1 | question: i m newbie how long should infuse tea ? 3minute 5 minutes? | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | depends on the tea and the water temperature | 23:08 |
| DawnFoster | ok people, I'm off to nap for a bit :) | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | nite DawnFoster - thanks for being around | 23:08 |
| auke | niala1: depends on your flavor, palette, water, cups/pot used etc... | 23:08 |
| openstandards | do it till you think it looks good | 23:08 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: thanks | 23:08 |
| niala1 | :) earlgrey water 100°celcius | 23:09 |
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| MrCase | niala1: 5 minutes for me. | 23:09 |
| niala1 | DawnFoster: have a nice day | 23:09 |
| aholler | niala1: I too don't have such. I've used a beagle: http://ahsoftware.de/MeGentooBeagle.jpg | 23:09 |
| openstandards | it all depends, tea is like steak :) | 23:09 |
| MrCase | niala1: 3 should be sufficient. | 23:09 |
| niala1 | ahhh smile here :) | 23:09 |
| * openstandards likes his steak medium rare | 23:10 | |
| MrCase | niala1: but try 5 with a bit of sugar and milk. | 23:10 |
| niala1 | thanks it's perfect | 23:11 |
| niala1 | perfect like meego netbook | 23:11 |
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| niala1 | woops i have destroy the little small bag of tea | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | you mean the teabag? | 23:14 |
| auke | niala1: aw | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | hey auke | 23:15 |
| auke | good day | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | no, not really | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | best part of the day was seeing my friend and playing the PS3 | 23:15 |
| auke | haha | 23:15 |
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| auke | speaking of ps2 | 23:15 |
| auke | ps3 | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | my dissertation is a blackhole :( | 23:15 |
| auke | my 2-year old LOVES watching me or my wife play Flower | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | Flower? | 23:16 |
| auke | Flower | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | 2 year olds are awesome | 23:16 |
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| CosmoHill | I used to babysit one | 23:16 |
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| d12n | niala1: then you have sopmething nice to chew on ;-) | 23:17 |
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| d12n | -p | 23:17 |
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| niala1 | d12n: :) fortunately that was not happen during nokia announce, I'd become crazy | 23:19 |
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| niala1 | idea: an solar atom phone to work around battery issues | 23:20 |
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| crevetor | http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/02/12/intel-disappointed-with-nokias-move-but-puts-its-weight-behind-meego/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(The+Handheld+Blog)&utm_content=Twitter | 23:21 |
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| auke | that ... is a | 23:22 |
| auke | very long url :) | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | auke: you must have missed the dilbert one yesterday | 23:23 |
| auke | I haven't read my comics for a few days | 23:23 |
| auke | no worries, they're all in my inbox | 23:23 |
| dotblank | I'm super sad | 23:23 |
| dotblank | that nokia did this | 23:24 |
| ieatlint | here, i'll fix that url: | 23:26 |
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| dotblank | umm | 23:26 |
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| * CosmoHill hides | 23:26 | |
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| dotblank | you took that too far | 23:26 |
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| kyb3R | *ducks* | 23:26 |
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| CosmoHill | kick him | 23:26 |
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| RST38h | Somebody ban him already, he has lost his mind =) | 23:27 |
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| LjL | !ops | 23:27 |
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| GAN900 | Who could blame him? | 23:27 |
| ieatlint | VnRjR0ZYUjBWNFkwUk9WMUl6VGpSYVJscFhWbFpHYzFwR1RtbFNXRUpLVmpKMFUxSXlSWGhVYTJSVlltdHdiMVZzVW5OWFJsSllUVmM1VjJKR2NGbFVWbEpEVjBkS1YxSnFVbGROVjJoMlZqSnpkMlZYUmtkaFJsWlhUVEZLTmxaSGVHRldNbEpJVm10b1VGWnNXazlXYlRFelRXeGFjMXBJY0U1V2JHdzFWVEkxVjFWdFJYbGhSMFpoVmpOU2FGa3llSE5PYkVwMVdrWlNVMDFWY0VwWGExWnJZakZTY2sxVldtcFNiV2hZV1d0YVMxUkdVbFphUlZwc1VteEtXbGxWV205aFJURlpVV3hHVjJKWWFISlpha3BIVWpGYWRWVnJOVmRsYlhoWlZsY3dNVkV4U1hoWFdHeE9Va1ZhY0ZWcVFuZFRSbFY1WTBWa1YwMUVSbmhW | 23:27 |
| RST38h | Still. | 23:27 |
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| GAN900 | clearly autothrotling. | 23:27 |
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| CosmoHill | you people are slow to your awords | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, /part ! | 23:27 |
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| dotblank | wow | 23:27 |
| ieatlint | wow, i didn't get kicked for that? | 23:27 |
| ieatlint | err, uh, sorry | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | oh for the love of people | 23:27 |
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| * ieatlint will go be quiet for a while to make up | 23:27 | |
| ieatlint | :P | 23:27 |
| ieatlint | hehe | 23:27 |
| dotblank | nah | 23:27 |
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| dm8tbr | ignore-ance is bliss ;) | 23:28 |
| * marienz eyes ieatlint | 23:28 | |
| dotblank | you are going to be kicked regardless | 23:28 |
| dotblank | possibly banned | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | ieatlint: you bastard you | 23:28 |
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| ieatlint | i am a bastard | 23:28 |
| ieatlint | in general | 23:28 |
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| MrCase | how long is that url? | 23:29 |
| MrCase | it seems a bit useless, since some browsers are very limited on url length | 23:29 |
| merlin1991 | ieatlint, pastebin that url, i can't be arsed to stitch it together :D | 23:29 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o auke | 23:29 | |
| CosmoHill | auke: kinda late now | 23:29 |
| javispedro | never late for a good kicking | 23:29 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC firefox was limited to 1k or 4k chars per URI | 23:30 |
| auke | friendly reminder on this tumultuous day to be considerate, and consider our IRC policies | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | I kick anyone who pastes to much in the channel | 23:30 |
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| CosmoHill | I then invite them back | 23:30 |
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| aholler | nobody has a short hint about how to enable input-method-keyboard? | 23:30 |
| CosmoHill | auke: never op yourself after playing GTA or Assassin's Creed | 23:30 |
| niala1 | lol CosmoHill | 23:31 |
| d12n | hehe | 23:31 |
| merlin1991 | CosmoHill, drive-by kicks? | 23:31 |
| ieatlint | yes, i apologise for flooding the channel | 23:31 |
| ieatlint | i will try to follow nokia's lead and be respectful to those in here | 23:32 |
| dotblank | nokia's lead? | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | ieatlint: are you going to marry a Microsoft employee or what? =) | 23:32 |
| auke | sarcasm isn't part of our IRC policies, but it is certainly frowned upon | 23:32 |
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| ieatlint | the apology was sincere, if that helps | 23:33 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill reading fc this we ? | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | weekend? yes | 23:34 |
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| CosmoHill | merlin1991: one moment | 23:35 |
| pupnik | ignoring is good | 23:35 |
| niala1 | just to distract, is tennis fan here ? | 23:36 |
| pupnik | how about a meego device program so devs can buy some improved hardware without installed OS | 23:36 |
| auke | probably - with 600 ppl there is bound to be a tennis fan here | 23:36 |
| pupnik | thinking of that n9 prototype leaked | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | merlin1991: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?h | 23:37 |
| niala1 | auke: 600 ppl but sleeping or bot, or microsoft spy :) | 23:37 |
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| niala1 | now i think microsoft was afraid about meego promises | 23:39 |
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| niala1 | may be | 23:39 |
| CosmoHill | merlin1991: 8 seconds well spent :) | 23:39 |
| velope | it may be microsoft's move againts meego | 23:40 |
| fendel | Looks like Intel is pushing a MeeGo phone | 23:40 |
| sjk | When? | 23:40 |
| niala1 | fendel: if this is true i demand a green card !!!! :) | 23:40 |
| polteus | velope: yeah, elop was a trojan horse xD | 23:40 |
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| fendel | niala1: I was a bit fast.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/11/intel_sticks_with_meego/ | 23:41 |
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| polteus | intel doesn't make smartphones | 23:41 |
| sivang | niala1: heh | 23:41 |
| fendel | niala1: Intel says they supports MeeGo *and* that it will be a phone with Intel hardware. BUT they do not specify OS | 23:41 |
| fendel | niala1: Intel supports all major linux platforms | 23:42 |
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| anidel | we all knew Intel would always push MeeGo, it was and is their platform.. Nokia would have provided its expertise on the handset UX (and will do) | 23:42 |
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| anidel | I don't see anything changing from the Intel point of view... that is,exactly, disappointment ... | 23:42 |
| aholler | I wouldn't bet on the part in () | 23:43 |
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| anidel | Nokia hasn't decided yet .. as eFlop ...erm Elop said, this is a transitional period for Nokia. They needed a stable OS until things clear in their mind... Wp7 or MeeGo? | 23:44 |
| anidel | WP7 is here now, so they went for it.. MeeGo will be here later.. so they wait and they continue to experiment as they did with Maemo | 23:44 |
| sivang | so given companies aside, if we make meego amazing as we can through the community evolution will prevail, that is wp7 has to prove itself in the market so until this has not happened I think we cannot yet say that meego is gone in Nokia | 23:44 |
| lpotter | except wp7 wont be on nokia phones for a year | 23:44 |
| sivang | anidel: exactly | 23:44 |
| openstandards | i can't see the point in nokia doing this at all | 23:45 |
| sivang | lpotter: in that time meego becomes amazing and ripe, and nokia ndever sells wp7's :) | 23:45 |
| pupnik | what does WP7 do better than symbian3? | 23:45 |
| sivang | pupnik: getting US carrier market share | 23:45 |
| anidel | and if they give something to MeeGo with the next N9, then I am happy.. as "we" community will still have a choice between those closed source alternatives | 23:45 |
| openstandards | pupnik: crash? | 23:45 |
| openstandards | :D | 23:45 |
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| anidel | pupnik, a lot.. Symbian still crashes and the UI is old.. Symbian wasn't born to be scalable | 23:45 |
| fendel | lpotter: First Nokia tells their N900 customers that they are screwed. Then they do not communicate much at all. Then they tell all their customers that what ever they buy the coming year will be unsupported soon... | 23:46 |
| anidel | WP7 is... and, actually,I like it a lot.. they did a great job.. but it's very very closed source | 23:46 |
| niala1 | think,,linux start with no vendors............. | 23:46 |
| niala1 | but he was a very good hacker.... i m not... not at all..... | 23:46 |
| anidel | fendel, everyone knew the N900 was a transitional device | 23:46 |
| MrCase | symbian should have been axed a long time ago. | 23:46 |
| lpotter | symbian is not the problem, the ui on symbian is | 23:47 |
| anidel | MrCase, true, but it takes guts to cut something you've spent billions in... with no alternative.. they had Maemo, they might have been pushing more on it | 23:47 |
| fendel | anidel: Yes, but Nokia would have made it a bit easier for them self if they had communicated some kind of support for MeeGo on the unit. It would not make a huge difference anyway. But it would have given them a lot less negativity | 23:47 |
| anidel | lpotter, I ad a N8 for a month.. crashes were common.. it was crashing more than I was drinking glasses of water every day | 23:47 |
| pupnik | a whole product pallette of maemo phones in 2009 | 23:47 |
| fendel | lpotter: I can not see the problem of Symbian either | 23:47 |
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| anidel | fendel, what do you mean some kind of support for MeeGo on the unit? | 23:48 |
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| fendel | anidel: This was the clear message: We do not care about your needs or wishes. Your time invested is gone. | 23:48 |
| anidel | anyway... Nokia had to make a decision.. I don't approve it.. but I guess they were forced to do it and MS made a very nice deal for them.. | 23:49 |
| MrCase | http://twitter.com/#!/nokia - this is so sad. | 23:49 |
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| MrCase | no one is going to code for an already dead symbian, no one for just 2 maemo/meego phones. | 23:49 |
| anidel | fendel, false.. they did care..at least the team working on Maemo and MeeGo.. but for Nokia as a whole, it was and is still an experiment.. | 23:49 |
| fendel | anidel: It would be nicer with something like: We have changed our strategy. We will help to ensure a smooth transition. The test users and developers will get a upgrade path | 23:49 |
| niala1 | ok forgot nokia, continue meego, but Qt..... ? difficult to know now | 23:50 |
| fendel | anidel: A lot of users and developers has written about this the last year | 23:50 |
| anidel | fendel, miscommunication has always been an issue.. | 23:50 |
| anidel | I don't defend them | 23:50 |
| anidel | I'm just tying to grasp this partnership ... | 23:51 |
| anidel | as I see it... MeeGo with its OSS roots was too slow for them... too slow to deliver | 23:51 |
| anidel | may be :) | 23:51 |
| sharpneli | It's madness | 23:51 |
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| jukka77_ | so, that's it about meego | 23:52 |
| jukka77_ | what a pity. | 23:52 |
| anidel | well they were in a corner.. Symbian didn't deliver, Maemo was ready, but for some reason they didn't believe in it or they though merging it in MeeGo would make more sense.. it does, but that meant another year thrown awat | 23:52 |
| anidel | away | 23:52 |
| pupnik | indeed maemo was ready | 23:52 |
| anidel | so they had to choose... and went for WP7. I might like that.. as I like WP7, but for us in the OSS word, it's a bad news. | 23:52 |
| fendel | anidel: MeeGo was slow because of lack of resources and management support. Linux and other major open source projects are not slow | 23:53 |
| anidel | but I guess the stock went down for different reason.. Nokia lost a piece of its identity | 23:53 |
| pupnik | correct fendel | 23:53 |
| pupnik | no committment behind meego | 23:53 |
| pupnik | just lawyers and trademarks. no hardcore team | 23:53 |
| anidel | fendel, MeeGo is slow because of too many entities driving it... as I said , democracy can be a bitch | 23:53 |
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| MurmurOR | Would be nice to know what Ubuntu camp thinks about Qt integration, is there enough will power to carry on Qt platform and tools by someones | 23:54 |
| fendel | anidel: That is a management problem. Linus Thorvalds deals with those issues all the time with not much slow down | 23:54 |
| anidel | but anyway.. they made this choice | 23:54 |
| anidel | fendel, look at the status of the Desktop Linux... | 23:54 |
| MrCase | forget canonical. | 23:54 |
| anidel | so many developers.. and still... | 23:54 |
| hirabayashitaro | After nokia departure who are the "leading figures" for a possible future plan of meego about market strategies? | 23:54 |
| sivang | anidel: right | 23:55 |
| anidel | and remember, MeeGO is NOT a Nokia product.. they depended on others... that was, to me, the main mistake in merging Maemo in MeeGo | 23:55 |
| anidel | true, they could've branched off somehow... but still .. I think that process is very slow and they are still grasping how to manage it | 23:56 |
| anidel | not something you would base a huge company as Nokia | 23:56 |
| aholler | for me maemo was the mistake. | 23:56 |
| anidel | so they still use Symbian as a cash cow as long as it lasts | 23:56 |
| fendel | anidel: No major player with a clear goal. Red Hat has been running the shows since 1998: http://web.archive.org/web/19981202001113/www.labs.redhat.com/projects.shtml | 23:56 |
| anidel | waiting for WP7 and MeeGo to deliver | 23:56 |
| anidel | fendel, but how is their desktop compared to Windows 7 or Mac OS X? | 23:57 |
| anidel | I've been using Linux since 0.99pl13 ! | 23:57 |
| fendel | anidel: Red Hat has been the main player on the Linux desktop. A company with no special interests in it. | 23:57 |
| dotblank | I don't think maemo was the mistake | 23:57 |
| anidel | dotblank, was the mistake to drop it | 23:57 |
| anidel | the mistake was to drop it :) | 23:57 |
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| dotblank | well yea | 23:57 |
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| aholler | I might offend someone, but writting gnome-apps is a pain | 23:58 |
| anidel | but who are we to judge ... after all we're not even end users (at least not me :P) | 23:58 |
| * pupnik agrees with anidel | 23:58 | |
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| fendel | dotblank: MeeGo is more or less ready to go. Two things lacking: 1) Testing by mass market (always some issues) 2) More important: Needed a functional ecosystem | 23:58 |
| fendel | dotblank: 2) Like a app-store with apps | 23:59 |
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| anidel | anyway... I always like Maemo since the 770 and being very active in it... I will see what MeeGo brings ... then.. we'll see. .it's a shame.. Maemo meant a lot... was what I was waiting for on a mobile device.. | 23:59 |
| dotblank | well I hope intel kicks destroys the tablet market then | 23:59 |
| pupnik | app-stores stink | 23:59 |
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