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| lbt | surely "an" horrific way ? | 00:27 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, Brit. | 00:28 |
| lbt | :D | 00:28 |
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| comawhite | is there a channel for meego on phones? | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | this is it | 01:05 |
| CosmoHill | you may be interested in #meego-arm | 01:05 |
| comawhite | oh okay | 01:05 |
| * comawhite chuckles at the news of MeeGo being ditched xD | 01:06 | |
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| GAN900 | comawhite, what phones? | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | comawhite: also that's not news, that's rumour | 01:09 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, yeah I know | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | ah, that explains the chuckling | 01:09 |
| comawhite | I find it baseless rumours just done by Windows fanbois | 01:09 |
| comawhite | Like Nokia would start selling phones that are of their competitors. and if they did, it would just piss off more people than they would sell of the phones | 01:10 |
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| GAN900 | Whatever it is, Nokia needs to start selling something. | 01:13 |
| comawhite | Exactly | 01:13 |
| comawhite | I hope we get the N9 or whatever soon :( | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | the Nokia 3G pocket brick XL | 01:14 |
| comawhite | Hopefully there will be an official way of installing MeeGo on my N900 soon so I get to play with it :) | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | okay maybe "brick" and XL were bad choises of words | 01:15 |
| lbt | comawhite: it'll never be 'official' | 01:15 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, N8 + MeeGo == N9 would be nice :) | 01:15 |
| comawhite | lbt, lame =[ | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | ffs I crashed the web server again | 01:15 |
| lbt | reality | 01:15 |
| comawhite | But hopefully with more memory and speed | 01:15 |
| comawhite | and better battery | 01:15 |
| CosmoHill | N8 requires signed images | 01:15 |
| comawhite | lbt, yeah I believe you, but it sucks though | 01:16 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, what do you mean? | 01:16 |
| CosmoHill | the N8 will check that the image you are trying to upload / boot has been authorised by Nokia for that phone | 01:16 |
| comawhite | ah okay | 01:16 |
| comawhite | I wonder why the N900 didn't have that | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: do i give the illusion of being smart / knowing my stuff when I talk like this? | 01:17 |
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| GAN900 | comawhite, 'cause it's intended to be open. | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | the N900 is more a consumer / developer phone where as the N8 is pure consumer | 01:17 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: totally convincing ;) | 01:18 |
| comawhite | Oh okay got you | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | comawhite, N8 has Symbian roots, N900 has Linux ones. | 01:18 |
| comawhite | right | 01:18 |
| CosmoHill | GAN900: I should have said that first shouldn't I | 01:18 |
| comawhite | What will the next one with MeeGo be? consumer or developer? | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | comawhite, dunno. | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | Hasn't been announced. | 01:18 |
| CosmoHill | that being a bigger difference than the target audiance | 01:18 |
| comawhite | Hopefully on MWC we will find out | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine developer | 01:19 |
| comawhite | at* | 01:19 |
| GAN900 | Well, Nokia has indicated their intentions are to go more mainstream with MeeGo. | 01:19 |
| GAN900 | I don't believe that will involve firmware locks, however. | 01:19 |
| CosmoHill | that makes more sense | 01:19 |
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| CosmoHill | my thinking is that the first ever nokia meego phone would be more hackable than say the N8 | 01:20 |
| comawhite | It'd be nice to see MeeGo go mainstream | 01:20 |
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| comawhite | But still have the openness of it | 01:20 |
| comawhite | Not fond of being lacked out of a device you spend $400+ for | 01:20 |
| comawhite | locked* | 01:20 |
| * CosmoHill looks at the apple concentration camp | 01:21 | |
| comawhite | lol | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | I read recently that then banned the use of non-standard APIs in wrappers | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | comawhite, security framework is significantly more nefarious than on Maemo. | 01:21 |
| comawhite | GAN900, nefarious? | 01:22 |
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| GAN900 | evil | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | adjective | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | (typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal | 01:22 |
| comawhite | never heard the word before :P | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | I can right click and look up words | 01:23 |
| comawhite | client? | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | xchat aqua (for mac) | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, iOS is what it is and at least you know what it is going in. | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | everything uses the system wide spell check apart from firefox | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | Apple doesn't lie about the platform their providing. | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | GAN900: hmm that's true | 01:24 |
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| GAN900 | s/their/they're | 01:24 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, surprised not Colloquy :P | 01:24 |
| * GAN900 has really hit the wall. | 01:24 | |
| GAN900 | Adium. | 01:24 |
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| comawhite | I wish Adium was on Linux =[ | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | I only use Adium for MSN | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | I've been using xchat since I got my mac in 2005 and before adium supported irc | 01:25 |
| comawhite | will MeeGo based applications take more advantage of the portrait and landscape mode than on Maemo? | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | I believe that will be down to the developers of the application | 01:26 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, I mean of the builtin apps | 01:26 |
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| GAN900 | Likely | 01:26 |
| comawhite | like browser, sms, etc | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Although that depends on what you mean by "MeeGo" | 01:26 |
| comawhite | eh? | 01:26 |
| CosmoHill | I'd imagine MeeGo would be like Windows Mobile, the underneath will remain constant but different vendors might use a different UX | 01:28 |
| comawhite | At least MeeGo won't look like it was designed by 5 year olds | 01:29 |
| comawhite | xD | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | that rules out the kids phone market | 01:31 |
| comawhite | WP7 looks like it was designed by 5 year olds | 01:35 |
| * CosmoHill ponders | 01:35 | |
| CosmoHill | no my mate works in a different department | 01:36 |
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| comawhite | MeeGo will be themeable also correct? | 01:41 |
| comawhite | CosmoHill, which department? | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | I think he works on patches for the main OS | 01:41 |
| GAN900 | comawhite, Nokia MeeGo, MeeGo MeeGo, etc. | 01:42 |
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| GAN900 | comawhite, really depends | 01:42 |
| GAN900 | The compliance isn't enforcing much UI-wise. | 01:42 |
| comawhite | hmm | 01:46 |
| comawhite | I hope there is a good HiG for it, so it doesn't end up in non-native apps like you find on Windows that aren't consistent | 01:46 |
| GAN900 | Mmm | 01:46 |
| GAN900 | We'll see. | 01:46 |
| GAN900 | They aint Apple. | 01:46 |
| comawhite | I can say apps on Mac seems to be more consistent across apps than on Windows | 01:47 |
| comawhite | But then again I've only used Hackintosh for short term and not long term | 01:48 |
| comawhite | I hope the phone will also support multitouch | 01:49 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | There's a social engineering bit about that. | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | If your neighborhood is filled with broken windows, dead street light and abandoned houses, more of the same tends to propogate. | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | Whereas if everything looks and works well, you tend to get more of the samel | 01:58 |
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| CosmoHill | some programs like Adobe CS# have their own style which is not like windows or mac but their UI looks the same on both | 02:01 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/190 LinuxOutlaws MeeGo review special, pretty fair job. Podcast hosts Dan and Fab are at FOSDEM as we speak. | 02:08 |
| CosmoHill | URL fail | 02:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | LinuxOutlaws URL fail, CosmoHill? I'm looking at the page in my browser right now. Here's the freedom-hating mp3: http://media.libsyn.com/media/linuxoutlaws/linuxoutlaws190.mp3 Thanks to Intel for giving L.O. an Ideapad to review. | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | oh sorry, I thought it was "190 linuxoutlaws etc" | 02:10 |
| CosmoHill | didn't realise it was just "190" | 02:10 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Given the very reasonable price of spaces nowadays, I suppose I could have used one more. | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | http://node1.bbcimg.co.uk/glow/gloader.0.1.3.js | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | interesting, BBC using the Apache License | 02:29 |
| lindi- | there are two apache licenses | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | version 2.0 | 02:32 |
| lindi- | (seems to be 2) | 02:32 |
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| comawhite | if this is what MeeGo will look like. I'm going to have an orgasm when I use it. | 04:31 |
| comawhite | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INVlmjJKXjk&feature=player_embedded | 04:31 |
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| GAN900 | That sounds inconvenient. | 05:36 |
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| comawhite | GAN900, sorry mate | 06:02 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:47 |
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| * lardman wonders how happy his local mobile phone shop will be for him to turn up with his Meego booting tab to see whether their keyboards will work with it? | 12:10 | |
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| rzr | hi | 12:32 |
| Venemo | hi | 12:32 |
| * rzr is scared about all those m$ related news | 12:34 | |
| Ans5i | news? | 12:35 |
| dm8tbr | meh, just rumours. you can start shitting your pants once they do announcements | 12:35 |
| iekku | :D | 12:36 |
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| Ans5i | i thought that cross-portability was one key thingy | 12:37 |
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| rzr | marketing driven companies does not care about that | 12:38 |
| Ans5i | about what? | 12:39 |
| rzr | technical features | 12:39 |
| Ans5i | you mean FUDD driven companies. | 12:40 |
| rzr | and dotnet silver/moon/light etc can "ensure" that portability ... :) | 12:40 |
| rzr | yes same crap | 12:40 |
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| rzr | look at novell's success story | 12:41 |
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| Ans5i | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 | 12:42 |
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| Ans5i | that girl is cross-porting hammer... it's hammer time. | 12:46 |
| Ans5i | :) | 12:46 |
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| Ans5i | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo | 12:51 |
| Jartza | halt. hammerzeit. | 12:52 |
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| Cope | lbt: ping! | 12:57 |
| lbt | pong Cope | 12:58 |
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| Santer | ma | 13:57 |
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| lbt | w0rldcitizen: here then ... | 14:14 |
| w0rldcitizen | Hi all | 14:14 |
| lbt | so... packaging for meego core... | 14:14 |
| w0rldcitizen | I would Like to package for meego | 14:14 |
| lbt | you need to essentially get commit rights | 14:14 |
| lbt | so what packages you want to maintain and why you should be considered | 14:15 |
| lbt | I suggest you start by working on the community OBS | 14:15 |
| lbt | w0rldcitizen: so in here, not msg :) | 14:15 |
| w0rldcitizen | How can i get an account to work on the community OBS? | 14:16 |
| lbt | ask me :) | 14:17 |
| lbt | that's easy | 14:17 |
| lbt | it's like getting a home: account on suse OBS vs commit to Factory | 14:17 |
| lbt | what's your meego username | 14:17 |
| w0rldcitizen | my meego user name is "worldcitizen" same as at opensuse | 14:18 |
| lbt | ok- enabled | 14:18 |
| w0rldcitizen | thanks | 14:18 |
| lbt | the basic rules are OSS only and don't rebuild all of meego in your home :) | 14:18 |
| lbt | we are working on policy and processes to get packages into core and into the community QA'ed repos | 14:19 |
| lbt | there's an "ITP" page too - and maybe see what's happing on maemo. I know navit is packaged there | 14:19 |
| lbt | hmmm, we'll need to find a way to say "this package is maintained by a maemo/moblin dev - they've got first first refusal on maintaining it in meego" | 14:21 |
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| dm8tbr | ok, so anyone else from finland need something from fosdem? I'll be in Helsinki Mo/Tue and then in tampere. | 14:30 |
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| w0rldcitizen | hi lbt | 17:01 |
| w0rldcitizen | does osc access be definned in a different way as via the webgui | 17:02 |
| w0rldcitizen | For me the webgui is o0k, osc not | 17:02 |
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| lbt | no - https://api.pub.meego.com/ | 17:02 |
| w0rldcitizen | ok, i used api.meego.com | 17:03 |
| w0rldcitizen | thanks | 17:03 |
| lbt | np | 17:03 |
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| w0rldcitizen | It looks like i cant edit: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 | 17:08 |
| w0rldcitizen | I think the pub link should also be added if your in the public build | 17:09 |
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| w0rldcitizen | I see I can edit :) | 17:13 |
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| rakshasa_ | I am getting trouble while booting from live usb of meego | 17:22 |
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| rakshasa_ | i created the live usb using dd | 17:23 |
| rakshasa_ | but the message at boot time is | 17:23 |
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| rakshasa_ | "no default r ui configuration directive found | 17:24 |
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| rakshasa_ | please help | 17:25 |
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| CANADIANGUY | Does anyone know if is possible to install TOR or the Geany IDE in meego? | 18:11 |
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| thiago_home | CANADIANGUY: you can install anything | 18:19 |
| thiago_home | if it's not packaged, use traditional means (get the source and compile) | 18:20 |
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| CANADIANGUY | When I get the source for TOR, it gives "openssl directory not found". I used to option to find the directory manually, but it still did not work | 18:21 |
| lbt | or if it's packaged for another rpm distro you may find it easy to repackage | 18:21 |
| thiago_home | did you install the openssl development package? | 18:21 |
| CANADIANGUY | Ya. | 18:21 |
| thiago_home | then it sounds like the TOR source package isn't working properly. You need to talk to their developers. | 18:22 |
| CANADIANGUY | I will see. | 18:23 |
| CANADIANGUY | It is a huge project, it should be working. | 18:23 |
| berndhs | many huge projects have bugs :) | 18:24 |
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| CANADIANGUY | Also with the virtual keyboard can you hide it so that it only appears when you call it (by tapping the top bar) | 18:24 |
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| bleah | Hi, Do I need to install additional components to setup Qt quick project? | 21:11 |
| bleah | Project type is not available when I go to create new project | 21:12 |
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| thiago_home | how did you install Qt Creator? | 21:19 |
| thiago_home | via the MeeGo SDK we published last year before the MeeGo conf or the Qt SDK beta? | 21:20 |
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| bleah | I installed sdk 1.2 | 21:22 |
| bleah | or was it 1.1.2 | 21:22 |
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| bleah | I used setup instruction that can be found from meego home page but targets 1.1.2 | 21:24 |
| thiago_home | that doesn't have Qt Quick project support | 21:24 |
| thiago_home | you need something with Qt Creator 2.1 | 21:24 |
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| bleah | okey | 21:25 |
| bleah | thanks :) | 21:25 |
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| thiago_home | get the latest Qt SDK and you'll have the support | 21:28 |
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| bleah | I found qt creator 2.1 release candidate. Is that correct one? | 21:32 |
| thiago_home | yes | 21:33 |
| bleah | Great. | 21:34 |
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| bleah | Got it work. | 21:42 |
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| bleah | exit | 21:57 |
| bleah | oops | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | Top gear now :) | 22:01 |
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| npm | bleah: you get Qt Quick project support if you install Qt 4.7.1 alongside QtCreator from Meego SDK | 23:19 |
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| npm | guess i should try QtCreator 2.1 | 23:23 |
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| Venemo | npm: install the latest Qt Creator snapshot | 23:49 |
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