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| makulkar_laptop | araujo, CosmoHill, Wellark nevermind got it!! i was trying to connect from usb3 port used usb2 port and ssh just worked! | 00:25 |
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| makulkar_laptop | thanks for all the help tho! | 00:25 |
| CosmoHill | magic! | 00:26 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: I just misread your name and thought my best friend had just joined the channel | 00:33 |
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| lbt | did pmo just go poof | 00:42 |
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| lbt | :) | 00:42 |
| lbt | I was just jabbering and I think that move was scheduled for this w/end | 00:43 |
| lbt | I thought it was tomorrow | 00:43 |
| lbt | nah, tonight... mutter | 00:44 |
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| araujo | meego.com down? | 02:20 |
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| Extends | hey guys, any news about some smartphone with meego soon ? I would like to purchase the n8, but I am worried about n9 comming out soon... | 02:24 |
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| Extends | and I like so much meego... | 02:25 |
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| Extends | Is it possible upgrade n8 to meego ? | 02:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone going to SCALE at the end of the month? Let's have a MeeGon meeting. | 05:47 |
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| wazd | hello all :) | 10:32 |
| thiago_home | hello wazd | 10:40 |
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| thomas_ | Hello. How can I share folders in Meego? | 11:07 |
| thomas_ | I become this error: net usershare: usershares are currently disabled.What can I do? | 11:12 |
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| bleah | hi, I'm trying to instell meego sdk for ubuntu 10.10 but keyserver timeouts. Any tips how to fix it? | 11:24 |
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| bleah | got it work with different keyserver | 11:35 |
| bleah | documentation should be fixed if listed keyserver does not work | 11:36 |
| bleah | or list alternative keyservers | 11:36 |
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| Matan[M] | oh crap... no more test with meego and ipad clone :/ damn damn... i burn CPU... | 12:58 |
| Venemo | Matan[M]: :( | 12:58 |
| Venemo | what is the Qt Creator #ifdef for Meego? | 12:59 |
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| lcukx200 | Yo! MeeGo | 12:59 |
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| lcukx200 | lots of meegoers here at FOSDEM :D | 12:59 |
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| lcukx200 | waiting for maemo autobuilder is like having a baby. | 13:04 |
| lardman | ah, that may be why I can't find Stskeeps? | 13:04 |
| lcukx200 | lardman, yes, he is here. | 13:05 |
| lcukx200 | I saw him and his lovely wife last night in the bar | 13:05 |
| lardman | can you ask him about OpenCL and whether Ti would be amenable to releasing some user-space binaries for us? | 13:05 |
| lardman | :) | 13:05 |
| lardman | I'll catch him next week anyway | 13:05 |
| lcukx200 | lardman, hrm? | 13:06 |
| lcukx200 | opencl is around already isn't it? | 13:06 |
| lardman | lcukx200: speaking of babies, we have some news :) | 13:06 |
| lardman | lcukx200: not sure I've seen any userspace stuff for the N900 | 13:06 |
| lcukx200 | oooh you been kissing Holly under the mistletoe? | 13:06 |
| lardman | I think it probably started that way | 13:06 |
| lardman | anyway due Aug 14 or thereabouts | 13:07 |
| lcukx200 | :D congratulations | 13:07 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 13:07 |
| lcukx200 | that's later than Tracy with hers :) | 13:07 |
| lardman | she's also expecting? | 13:09 |
| lcukx200 | :) | 13:09 |
| lardman | congrats to you too then | 13:09 |
| lcukx200 | :D | 13:09 |
| Venemo | lardman, lcukx200: congrats to both of you :) | 13:10 |
| lcukx200 | we shall have to let the ladies chat about babies | 13:10 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 13:10 |
| lcukx200 | lardman, blame the snow | 13:11 |
| * lardman curses ImgTech for not sending him emails | 13:11 | |
| lardman | lcukx200: lol | 13:12 |
| * lcukx200 paces around the Maemo autobuilder delivery room | 13:13 | |
| lardman | lol | 13:13 |
| lcukx200 | awesome | 13:13 |
| lardman | at least the gory details are hidden a long way away | 13:13 |
| lcukx200 | thats new lib on diablo :) | 13:13 |
| lcukx200 | who said people did not push to older devices anymore?! | 13:14 |
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| lardman | took you a couple of gos though ;) | 13:16 |
| lardman | so will we be seeing a complete update for Fremantle (and indeed Meego#) too? | 13:16 |
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| lcukx200 | lardman, yeah it was sent to both queues | 13:18 |
| lardman | and the UI too? | 13:18 |
| lcukx200 | yes, its passed for fremantle too | 13:18 |
| lardman | that was the lib wasn't it? | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | I am just filling in the autobuilder stuff | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | yeah | 13:19 |
| lardman | cool :) | 13:19 |
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| lardman | argh, bloody Img Tech, seems it is their fault, I've clicked the "send my password reminder" button, no email; registered twice more with different email addresses, no email | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | diablo build queue | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | Applicationsubmitted | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | liqbook_0.1.0 | 13:19 |
| lcukx200 | likewise, fremantle | 13:20 |
| lardman | the bets are on, will it build.... | 13:20 |
| lcukx200 | I am going for a smoke. | 13:20 |
| lcukx200 | it should | 13:21 |
| lcukx200 | \o/ | 13:21 |
| lcukx200 | diablo at least | 13:21 |
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| lcukx200 | looks like I am cloning again | 13:26 |
| lcukx200 | and I am not even in my house | 13:26 |
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| lardman | yay, mini bt kb just turned up in the post | 13:28 |
| lardman | and only £15 | 13:28 |
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| ShadowJK | where did you get it from? | 13:34 |
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| lbt | who's @ fosdem ?? dlp9f / Jan-Simon is trying to find people :) | 13:46 |
| lbt | lcukx200: you're there? | 13:47 |
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| lardman | lbt: he said he was earlier | 14:04 |
| lardman | want an old-school mobile # for him? | 14:04 |
| lbt | lardman: thanks - he's there, I'm not. Just being a proxy :) | 14:05 |
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| lardman | ah ok :) | 14:07 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Can you tell Jan-Simon that I'm _not_ there, I've emailed him but one doesn't always check email at a conference | 14:11 |
| lbt | jeremiah: will do | 14:13 |
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| * dm8tbr waves from fosdem | 14:13 | |
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| lbt | hey dm8tbr o/ did you get that Jan Simon is looking for the meego guys | 14:14 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: hm I was on a flight from tampere/helsinki yesterday with a bunch of them. haven't met them here though | 14:15 |
| lbt | OK ... np | 14:16 |
| dm8tbr | I'd expect them in the embedded room. also look for meegofi summit tshirts | 14:18 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: btw- need something from here? I'm going back to HEL sunday evening and will be there for 2 days | 14:20 |
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| lbt | well, I'm in Hel on mon/tue anyway ... are you at Nokia ? | 14:21 |
| lbt | we could at the very least get a coffee @ Ruoholati | 14:22 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: but .. yeah - if there's any cool swag ... I still need a Debian T-shirt for the MeeGo SF conference ;) | 14:23 |
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| Ans5i | http://summit.meegonetwork.fi/ | 14:29 |
| Ans5i | i accidentally it. | 14:29 |
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| * thiago_home was invited to speak there but is now reconsidering | 14:30 | |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: I'll see what they have. I'll bee at tieto in haaga, but Aard wanted to meet with me anyway and also my hotel is next to esplanaadi | 14:37 |
| lbt | OK - I'm busy monday night but hoping to get out with a few guys from OTS and our team on tue for a drink/food | 14:38 |
| Aard | lbt: I was thinking about taking dm8tbr to monday-evening-dinner, if we manage to | 14:38 |
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| lbt | Aard: I'm pretty sure I have a meeting...will know more on monday - otherwise would be nice to do that | 14:40 |
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| matrixx | thiago_home: why are you reconsidering? We need you there :) | 14:41 |
| thiago_home | matrixx: the date | 14:46 |
| thiago_home | matrixx: it's the weekend before Easter | 14:46 |
| matrixx | thiago_home: oh :( | 14:47 |
| matrixx | I think no one remembered Easter when deciding the date :/ | 14:48 |
| * matrixx hopes thiago_home can still make it | 14:48 | |
| Aard | matrixx: what's so bad about weekend before easter? | 14:48 |
| matrixx | Aard: I think some people are going to see their families | 14:49 |
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| matrixx | I didn't think that, cause we don't have any traditions | 14:49 |
| Aard | oh. I'm usually grateful for events which are _at_ easter ;) | 14:50 |
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| jeremiah | lbt: Cheers. :-) | 14:53 |
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| matrixx | hmm, it seems really seems to be weekend week before easter, shouldn't matter much | 14:56 |
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| lcukx200 | Venemo, did you by chance check if liqbook is up on -devel? | 15:07 |
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| lcukx200 | lbt, yes I am here | 15:15 |
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| Venemo | lcukx200: atm I'm tethering the N900 and I can't really check stuff on it :( | 15:19 |
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| lcukn900 | :) | 16:00 |
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| lcukn900 | damn, twitter won't reload, can anyone check how many rt's my latest has? twitter.com/lcuk | 16:01 |
| CosmoHill | lcukn900: having fun over there? | 16:01 |
| lcukn900 | yes cosmo | 16:01 |
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| lcukn900 | but my ideapad does not work outside! its too cold to touch the screen. my n900 is happy | 16:01 |
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| lcukn900 | oh cripes, my clones are cloning | 16:02 |
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| lcukn900 | lardman, where would be best for us to meetup? London you think yes? | 16:07 |
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| lardman | probably the easiest yeah - you thinking of the Meego/Maemo meetup | 16:08 |
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| lcukn900 | yeah lardman | 16:10 |
| vgrade | afternoon guys, count me in for a london meet | 16:11 |
| lcukn900 | theres a provisional date of 15feb marked on calendar to meetup with noobmonkey and kathy, perhaps we can combine it | 16:11 |
| lardman | during the week? | 16:13 |
| lcukn900 | no beer on weeknights? | 16:13 |
| lardman | just that it takes 1.5h+ to get there, so won't make it very early, or will have to pay quite a bit of money to travel at peak time | 16:14 |
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| lcukn900 | roger. ask them and find out | 16:14 |
| lcukn900 | its my birthday the following Sunday (20th) | 16:15 |
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| lardman | Happy Birthday in advance! :) | 16:16 |
| lcukn900 | \o/ | 16:17 |
| lcukn900 | loads and loads of n900s here. | 16:17 |
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| lcukn900 | seeing them everywhere | 16:17 |
| lcukn900 | lardman take a peek at the twitter link for me please, i cannot see wed | 16:18 |
| lcukn900 | web | 16:18 |
| lardman | what are you after there? | 16:19 |
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| lcukn900 | did the post about google get up and has it been rt'ed? | 16:20 |
| lardman | no smiles at google? | 16:21 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:21 |
| lcukn900 | awesome stuff ! did you try it? | 16:21 |
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| lcukn900 | cos i noticed it recently and giggled | 16:22 |
| lardman | doesn't seem to do anything | 16:22 |
| lardman | http://www.google.co.uk/#q=:) | 16:23 |
| lardman | ? | 16:23 |
| lcukn900 | lardman, yeah hence: no smiles at google | 16:23 |
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| lardman | ah, co.uk does nothing (blank page) and .com says it didn't match docs | 16:23 |
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| niala1 | morning | 17:00 |
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| gabrbedd | i can't get text to properly display in meegotouch-controlpanel (duicontrolpanel). I suspect its a style issue. Anybody know how to track down what's happening? | 17:25 |
| gabrbedd | What I'm seeing: No text, anywhere... except that when I return from a category to the main view... I will briefly see something like "!! Connections" in white... but then it it disappears. | 17:26 |
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| vgrade | O2 Joggler users, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade, now with full image download link | 18:06 |
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| gabrbedd | what is Joggler? | 18:09 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: awesome | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | to me it still seems stupid to build a linux device with a GMA500 chipset and to then make the UI with Adobe Flash | 18:15 |
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| lcukn900 | vgrde does the joggler require anything other thn usb stick copy? | 18:46 |
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| lbt | vgrade: mmm | 18:55 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: they have plenty of t-shirts. any preferences? size? colour? poloshirt? | 18:56 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: cool ... Medium | 18:56 |
| lbt | any pics? | 18:57 |
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| dm8tbr | I can go and snap one :) | 18:57 |
| dm8tbr | brb | 18:57 |
| lbt | hehe - thanks | 18:57 |
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| lcukn900 | dm8tbr are you fosdemming? | 18:59 |
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| lcukn900 | lbt, have you read liqbook yet? :) | 19:01 |
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| vgrade | lcukn900, no, just the stick | 19:12 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10011 http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10010 and probably in a few seconds http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10012 | 19:14 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: 15€ or 25€ if you want a regular plus a lenny t-shirt | 19:15 |
| dm8tbr | dunno which size the lenny's are as they only had 3 left | 19:16 |
| lbt | the blue one with the 'space' theme looks good | 19:17 |
| lbt | is the lenny one the black one ? | 19:18 |
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| lbt | vgrade (and dm8tbr) ... I'm looking at http://bug10738.openaos.org/ and thinking about tying it to MeeGo community "Team" areas | 19:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 19:20 |
| vgrade | lbt, "Team" areas ? | 19:21 |
| lbt | yeah ... see my recent blog post and the last CO meeting | 19:21 |
| lbt | as in "how on earth do we structure community work" | 19:21 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: it's the darker blue | 19:22 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: as long as it has stars on it :) | 19:22 |
| vgrade | lbt ah yes, the bug wasa raised after some discussions on #meego-arm | 19:22 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: the stars is regular. the lenny doesn't. do you want both? | 19:22 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: yeah :) | 19:23 |
| vgrade | lbt, we needed a 'place' to dump images just like the Joggler one but there was no place for partial adaptations | 19:23 |
| vgrade | lbt, no place for an adaptation to mature to an official meego.com build | 19:24 |
| lbt | vgrade: yep... hence the need for policy statements IMHO | 19:24 |
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| lbt | I personally have no problem with MeeGo.com providing non-compliant stuff as long as it's labelled as such | 19:25 |
| lbt | especially during development | 19:25 |
| vgrade | lbt, I agree, and supported bug 10738 | 19:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 19:26 |
| lbt | eg the joggler adaptation aims to be 100% meego compliant.... but it's likely to be a looooong time in 'beta' until we get the hardware drivers from..... Intel | 19:26 |
| vgrade | lbt, the GMA500 drivers are already at meego.com | 19:27 |
| vgrade | lbt and upto date with meego xorg version | 19:27 |
| lbt | AFAIUI they weren't meego1.2 compatible? | 19:27 |
| lbt | damn ... that would have been a useful test case :) | 19:28 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: would like download stats for http://bug10738.openaos.org at some point - can you see if it's being monitored? | 19:28 |
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| lbt | vgrade: when you have time can you read: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/01/meego-community-development-apps.html there's a bit at the bottom called Team areas... and I wonder if HW adaptation makes a good team. Want to help propose something | 19:31 |
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| vgrade | lbt, one point which is missed in the discussion is that having a downloadable partial adaptation image may drive interest in Meego to people who may not initially want the steep learning curve of MIC2 image building | 19:31 |
| lbt | vgrade: yep... heck... *I* am about to dl the image ;) | 19:32 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10015 http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10014 - the lenny is only available in large | 19:32 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: nah ... I'm not that big | 19:32 |
| lbt | what about the black ones : http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10012 | 19:33 |
| dm8tbr | ok, just the stary one then. that will be 15. | 19:33 |
| dm8tbr | yes, let me snap them | 19:33 |
| * lbt likes the whol personal shopper via irc thing... | 19:33 | |
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| vgrade | lbt, Stskeeps and dm8tbr have a similar project as one of the task forces, see http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/LBE_HW_Adaptations | 19:35 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: hint, that's my name on that TF page ;) | 19:36 |
| dm8tbr | err | 19:36 |
| dm8tbr | disregard, I'm confused by local conversations | 19:36 |
| lbt | yeah ... haggle for my clothing! | 19:37 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: http://share.ovi.com/media/dm8tbr.publi/dm8tbr.10016 | 19:37 |
| lbt | apt-get install :) | 19:37 |
| dm8tbr | the polo is 25, the left and right is front and back of the same shirt | 19:38 |
| dm8tbr | apt-get install anarchy it says | 19:38 |
| lbt | awww .. | 19:38 |
| lbt | not sure I want the anarchy... | 19:38 |
| lbt | I'll get a polo | 19:38 |
| lbt | cheers | 19:38 |
| dm8tbr | acttually | 19:39 |
| dm8tbr | there is one without | 19:39 |
| dm8tbr | let me check for M | 19:39 |
| lbt | OK - I'm not part of the OSS==Anarchy crowd :) | 19:39 |
| johnx | You're part of the establishment :) | 19:39 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, one of them has the swirl and on the back 'debian/rules' | 19:40 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: love that one ! | 19:40 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: so both or the black one? | 19:40 |
| lbt | both | 19:40 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 19:40 |
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| dm8tbr | 30eur | 19:41 |
| lbt | cheers ... I owe you an image download server on meego.com | 19:41 |
| lbt | aswell | 19:41 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 19:41 |
| lbt | vgrade: would be good to see a solid proposal to manage torrents of images too | 19:41 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: they alsso have the tie | 19:42 |
| lbt | a tie.... :) | 19:42 |
| lbt | sometimes you have to... | 19:42 |
| lbt | go on :) | 19:42 |
| dm8tbr | in that debian tart | 19:42 |
| dm8tbr | oh and laptop stickers, 1,5eur | 19:42 |
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| lbt | and a mini acer I think I see | 19:43 |
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| lbt | wife veto'ed the tie :( | 19:44 |
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| dm8tbr | 15cm swirl for the laptop 1,5€ | 19:44 |
| lbt | god help me... she saw the kilt! | 19:44 |
| dm8tbr | want it? :) | 19:45 |
| lbt | 4 of the swirl stickers ... | 19:45 |
| lbt | please no! | 19:45 |
| dm8tbr | but it spells debian in morse code in the pattern! ;) | 19:46 |
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| lbt | can you tell I'm waiting for the joggler image to download? | 19:47 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 19:49 |
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| vgrade | lbt, torrents would have the suits running for the hills :) | 20:10 |
| vgrade | lbt, a simple ftp site seems a bridge too far | 20:10 |
| lbt | vgrade: ah... that's the beauty of the community area.... less suits | 20:11 |
| lbt | you are correct that core meego is quite resistant | 20:11 |
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| vgrade | quote, We should look at this from the community applications perspective first and | 20:12 |
| vgrade | see what will be available there. Not sure if we need additional repos for | 20:12 |
| vgrade | images as well? | 20:12 |
| vgrade | quote, I don't really see this as a MeeGo provided service. Not in the current | 20:13 |
| vgrade | situation at least. | 20:13 |
| vgrade | quotes from the bug | 20:14 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: want me to mirror something? | 20:15 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, we have a space at bug10738.openaos.org, thanks for the offer | 20:17 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 20:18 |
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| esdf | anyone here tried meego on nokia n8? | 20:37 |
| lpotter | nope | 20:37 |
| esdf | :( | 20:37 |
| esdf | as far as n8 tech specs go, should it be able to run meego properly? | 20:38 |
| vgrade | esdf, porting guide here, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Porting_Guide | 20:40 |
| esdf | vgrade: ty, but do you know if n8 hardware can run meego properly? | 20:41 |
| esdf | "Meet the minimum HW performance and component requirements for the applicable device category" | 20:42 |
| esdf | i can't find those requirements tho :S | 20:42 |
| vgrade | http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view | 20:43 |
| lcukn900 | i keep wondering what it sounds like if I speak the words in the opening section of liqbook :) | 20:44 |
| esdf | so basically meego is linux distro? | 20:44 |
| esdf | that is awesome :D | 20:44 |
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| Ans5i | esdf: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/lp/page/meego | 20:45 |
| esdf | well says arm based n900 | 20:46 |
| esdf | thats arm cortex tho, not arm11 :S | 20:47 |
| esdf | gah well, when ill have the time ill put it on my n8 and hopefully report success | 20:48 |
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| esdf | im really sad that nokia pushed the shitbian on n8 instead maemo ... dno what they were thinking :( | 20:49 |
| Ans5i | maybe the meego wasn't out yet then. | 20:50 |
| Ans5i | and there is lot good things in symbian | 20:51 |
| Ans5i | imho | 20:51 |
| esdf | i said maemo | 20:51 |
| esdf | not meego | 20:51 |
| Ans5i | yep. | 20:51 |
| Ans5i | same qt stuff should basically work in all three | 20:52 |
| esdf | i mean ive seen maemo on n900.. pretty much brilliant os lightyears ahead of android imo | 20:52 |
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| Ans5i | n900 is really excellent device. | 20:52 |
| esdf | ye | 20:52 |
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| esdf | too bad that 2 years ago it cost over 1k€ in croatia | 20:52 |
| esdf | :( | 20:53 |
| esdf | and now there's no n900 in stores so i bought n8 | 20:53 |
| Ans5i | have you tried bobbles? | 20:53 |
| lcukn900 | i see n900 in phone shops all over | 20:53 |
| * lcukn900 sometimes even takes pictures :$ | 20:54 | |
| Ans5i | for n8, http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-bubbles | 20:54 |
| Ans5i | n8 is good for video and pictures, haven't carry image since then i got mine. | 20:54 |
| lcukn900 | ans5i yeah I saw the bubbles. they are pretty :) | 20:55 |
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| Ans5i | *carry camera since then. | 20:58 |
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| lcukn900 | ans5i yeah the n900 camera is awesome | 21:05 |
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| lcukn900 | i too carried a camera until I got it | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Awsome for what? | 21:05 |
| thiago_home | the n900 camera isn't good... | 21:08 |
| thiago_home | and the flash is worse | 21:08 |
| thiago_home | the only good camera phone is the n8 | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | There is no good camera phone | 21:09 |
| lcukn900 | the n900 camera did something that no other camera phone had done for us. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | It is an oxymoron | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | it's not the camera so much, it's more the lens | 21:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Which was? | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: Lens + sensor, both of which are necessarily shitty in a phone | 21:10 |
| lcukn900 | meant I had a camera always to hand, before it I would have to carry multiple and forget | 21:10 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: have you tried the n8? | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | I keep comparing camera phones to my Nikon D70 + 17~50mm lens | 21:10 |
| lcukn900 | i would rather get a photo stored and usable than not take the picture at all | 21:12 |
| RST38h | thiago: Yes, yesterday in a Nokia Store | 21:12 |
| RST38h | thiago: You do not want to use that for photos that you are going to print/keep | 21:12 |
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| Ans5i | i got mine at nokia workd. | 21:13 |
| Ans5i | world | 21:13 |
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| swims | Hello, is anyone able to do a zypper refresh on the community repository? | 21:14 |
| lcukn900 | swims whats wrong? and easy solution is to reset the zypper cache but i cannot recall the commandline | 21:15 |
| lcukn900 | araujo perhaps you can? | 21:15 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: right | 21:15 |
| swims | Hi lcukn900, I'm getting a timeout :-( | 21:15 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: it's not a real camera | 21:15 |
| RST38h | thiago: So, it is pointless claiming that N8 has a real camera | 21:16 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: but it does take decent quality photos | 21:16 |
| lcukn900 | rst printing out photos to go into album is fine | 21:16 |
| lcukn900 | printing on a4 and beyond is not | 21:16 |
| RST38h | thiago: Yes, in ctightly controlled environment, where the lighting is perfect,and the subject is at just the right distance, and you are not gonna print that to A4, it takes a decent photo | 21:17 |
| lpotter | so for 99% of people, it is a decent camera phone | 21:17 |
| lcukn900 | yes | 21:17 |
| RST38h | thiago: I have a friend who does professional photography and he explained the difference between a good camera and a bad camerato me | 21:17 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: it takes even decent photos in poor lighting conditions | 21:18 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: I never claimed it was a real camera. But it's a good camera phone. | 21:18 |
| RST38h | thiago: Good camera lets you shoot pictures without having to care about environmental conditions and where you stand | 21:18 |
| lpotter | heh | 21:19 |
| RST38h | thiago: You only think about the composition and maybe a few other things | 21:19 |
| thiago_home | a good camera phone is one that you can look at the pictures and not be embarrassed | 21:19 |
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| thiago_home | most phones produce grainy, blurry things I have no idea why I took the picture for | 21:19 |
| lcukn900 | rst a good *photographer* will check all those conditions anyway | 21:19 |
| thiago_home | they're worth at most to look at on the phone itself | 21:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He will, but not from the point of view "if this condition is not there, I will not get aphoto" | 21:20 |
| lcukn900 | even if the camera can handle it, professional photographers do not use automatic mode do they? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | thiago: N8 produces just the same grainy blurry thing | 21:20 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: that's not my experience | 21:20 |
| thiago_home | but anyway, I don't have an N8 | 21:20 |
| thiago_home | not gonna buy one | 21:20 |
| RST38h | thiago: Try it on "difficult" subjects | 21:20 |
| Ans5i | but fairly good, enough for holiday trip or something. the video part is actually even better. | 21:21 |
| RST38h | thiago: try it on a car grille for example | 21:21 |
| Ans5i | probably better than in many pro cameras. | 21:21 |
| berndhs | they solution is to specialize in pictures that are supposed to be grainy and blurry, artistic-like :) | 21:21 |
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| lcukn900 | when we last went on holiday, Tracy and I had N900s and my pics were blurry, hers were great. | 21:21 |
| RST38h | thiago: try shooting buildings, from a distance, see how many details you can retain, in closeups | 21:22 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h I personally cannot resolve fine details from that far lol | 21:22 |
| Ans5i | i can take panorama with video and put in 50" tv and it looks great. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But Canon can | 21:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Even a lowly Casio can | 21:23 |
| lcukn900 | can they make phone calls? | 21:23 |
| lpotter | :) | 21:23 |
| RST38h | No, but this is not what cameras a re for | 21:23 |
| lcukn900 | they are for capturing whats happening and mine does a good job of it | 21:24 |
| * lcukn900 overlooks the limitations and gets on with it | 21:24 | |
| lpotter | RST38h: your whole thing sounds like you just dont like digital zoom | 21:24 |
| gabrbedd | thaigo_home: I'm having trouble with MTF controlpanel... It only displays text briefly when changing pages (inactive style?). Otherwise, there's not even a hint of text. Any clue what might be wrong? | 21:24 |
| lcukn900 | rst, your glass is half empty, mine is half full | 21:24 |
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| lcukn900 | gabredd i had that | 21:25 |
| RST38h | lpotter: True, I am not using digital zoom. But the same N900 cannot resolve detaisl even WITHOUT digital zoom | 21:25 |
| lcukn900 | its on some bug reports | 21:25 |
| lpotter | n900's camera is near the low end | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Take a look at this photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/y6SGc-XjCUsL2Bm_rDUhJw?feat=directlink | 21:26 |
| RST38h | perfect conditions, sunny, clear, no digital zoom | 21:26 |
| gabrbedd | lcukn900: anybody figured the cause? | 21:26 |
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| RST38h | Look at the building details, you will see what I mean | 21:27 |
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| Ans5i | gabrbedd: difficult to say.. | 21:27 |
| Ans5i | gabrbedd: could be a bug | 21:28 |
| lcukn900 | gab check the bug status | 21:28 |
| lcukn900 | ie do some legwork :p | 21:28 |
| gabrbedd | Ans5i: Right... that's why I'm trying to debug it. :-) | 21:28 |
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| Ans5i | gabrbedd: it probably good idea to use latest version also | 21:30 |
| gabrbedd | lcukn900: I've been doing legwork on this for 3 days, thanks. Wondering if anyone has insight into the MTF style/theme sytem (which is where I think the problem is) | 21:30 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h this has got to you for a while. has any of your research and photography work found a way round it? | 21:30 |
| lcukn900 | since we cannot obviously change the hardware, can we improve the algorithm | 21:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk Yes, I got myself a real camera :) | 21:31 |
| lcukn900 | thats cheating. you call yourself a developer :p | 21:31 |
| lcukn900 | on the n810 there was too much saturation | 21:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But I cannot bend the laws ofphysics, sorry | 21:32 |
| lcukn900 | i removed it in code on just UV planes and it helped immensely with noise | 21:32 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h but we can hold them at bay whilst we get the job done | 21:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Once the detail is lost at the lens level, or the sensor, or due to digital zoom, you cannot get it back | 21:32 |
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| lcukn900 | i know, we cannot postprocess current images | 21:33 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You can seefrom the picture that we are not talking noise removal here. | 21:33 |
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| lcukn900 | but if we look at cleansing the images | 21:33 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: the image quoted above is clean | 21:34 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it just lacks detai | 21:35 |
| RST38h | l | 21:35 |
| Ans5i | gabrbedd: most easiest approach could be to just make a bug request. let'em sort it out. | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Some other N900 camera problems can be partially remedied | 21:35 |
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| Ans5i | IRC is probably not best place on Saturday evening.. :) | 21:36 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h well do you know of any new things which might help future designs to be improved? | 21:36 |
| RST38h | For example, the magenta tint that it leaves at photos made on cloudy days | 21:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Of course, and Nokia knows some too | 21:36 |
| lcukn900 | i went to a kylie concert with my digicam years ago | 21:36 |
| lcukn900 | and onstage had bright vibrant colours | 21:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But they will not use these things in their current designs because they will not fit the iiPhone-like form factor | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Look up "N93" with Google. That was the last real camera phone fromNokia | 21:37 |
| lcukn900 | rst38h well with meego form factor will be more flexible hopefully | 21:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Nah, Meego has nothing to do with it. Nokia is marketing their stuff against Apple,HTC, etc | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: All these companies produce flat, thin slabs of plastic with no external physical features | 21:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, Nokia will inevitably produce exactly the same (or very similar) slabs | 21:39 |
| RST38h | You can easily see (by looking at N93 design) that the same trick will not work with an iPhone lookalike | 21:40 |
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| lcukn900 | lol i just had to take my tshirt off to read a url from the back of it | 21:43 |
| lcukn900 | summit.meegonetwork.fi | 21:43 |
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| CosmoHill | lcukn900: I hope nobody was around to witeness that | 21:44 |
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| lcukn900 | lol cosmohill, the window here in hotel is open | 21:44 |
| Ans5i | there is link on the meegonetwork.fi front page | 21:45 |
| CosmoHill | get any wolf wislies? | 21:45 |
| Ans5i | i had same problem moment ago :P | 21:45 |
| lcukn900 | and its an inward facing room, prefer my recent room at raddison blu | 21:45 |
| lcukn900 | cosmohill, only smiles | 21:45 |
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| CosmoHill | nice | 21:45 |
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| lcukn900 | ans5i the marketing guys who were here were so impressed to hear what I wanted to bring into MeeGo :) | 21:46 |
| lcukn900 | he gave me a tshirt immediately lol | 21:47 |
| Ans5i | :) | 21:47 |
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| gabrbedd | Ans5i: (regarding MTF CP) Well, today's my day to do dev work on this stuff. Hit a wall, though maybe someone could point me in the right direction. I'm finding MTF's style/theme to be a tangled web of packages, plug-ins, and modules. :-) | 21:58 |
| gabrbedd | Ans5i: s/though/thought/ | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | lcukn900: awesome | 21:59 |
| lcukn900 | ok its 8pm in brussels. i have to head out and try meet up with folks. | 22:06 |
| * Mek thought it was 9pm in brussels... | 22:06 | |
| CosmoHill | it's 8pm here | 22:06 |
| niala1 | 21h06 brussel | 22:07 |
| CosmoHill | lcukn900: i think you might be late | 22:07 |
| Ans5i | lcukn900: btw are you participating in meegathon? i've heard that there might be hw prize | 22:07 |
| lcukn900 | ans5l where? | 22:07 |
| Ans5i | at meego summit | 22:07 |
| lcukn900 | that would explain stuff. well i missed food but thats ok cos i have toothahe | 22:07 |
| Ans5i | http://summit.meegonetwork.fi/competition | 22:07 |
| lcukn900 | haha awesome. i am up for that | 22:09 |
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| lcukn900 | i wrote the liqbase graffiti wall at linuxtag in the hacker room :) (wrote is loose the pieces were there the dots just needed conecting) | 22:10 |
| lcukn900 | connecting | 22:10 |
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