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| CosmoHill | vgrade: ping | 14:17 |
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| CosmoHill | nuts | 14:27 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, \o | 14:27 |
| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 14:27 |
| alterego | helio`: lcuk | 14:27 |
| alterego | I meat Hello .. not helio` ... | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | just say hello to helio` anyway :D | 14:29 |
| alterego | :) | 14:30 |
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| CosmoHill | when is the MeeGo Cambridge meeting? | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | thursday isn't it? | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | Tuesday I thought | 14:33 |
| vgrade | CosmoHIll Tuesday, sec while I find alink | 14:33 |
| alterego | Wednesday | 14:33 |
| alterego | Wait what? | 14:34 |
| vgrade | Sorry | 14:34 |
| alterego | Urm, now I'm confused. | 14:34 |
| alterego | It does look like Tuesday | 14:34 |
| alterego | (For some reason I had it in my mind the 4th was a Wednesday) | 14:34 |
| vgrade | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=16242&postcount=25 | 14:35 |
| alterego | Wait, it is a wednesday! | 14:35 |
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| CosmoHill | vgrade: can i PM you something? | 14:35 |
| alterego | Stop confusing me and making me look at the wrong bloody month in my calendar :P | 14:35 |
| vgrade | yup | 14:35 |
| lcuk | wait, what? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | #Meego Meeting When, Wednesday, February 2 · 7:30pm - 10:30pm, Where, Clowns, Cambridge 54 King Street | 14:36 |
| alterego | lcuk: yes, that's correct. | 14:36 |
| lcuk | I thought Tuesday too | 14:36 |
| vgrade | sorry guys | 14:36 |
| vgrade | not awake yet | 14:37 |
| lcuk | was the original one due for a Tuesday? | 14:37 |
| alterego | No, it's definitely Wednesday | 14:37 |
| alterego | lcuk: we were talking about tuesday or wednesday in the beginning and I said I prefered wednesday | 14:37 |
| lcuk | so folks around Camrbidge on Wednesday night | 14:37 |
| alterego | Yess | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | I am vanishing again \o ttyl | 14:40 |
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| CosmoHill | talk to you later or /dev/tty1 ? | 14:44 |
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| Teth0ruX | hello, one uquetion.. When i close my netbook, meebo goes in the standby status | 15:05 |
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| Teth0ruX | and when i open it, meebo starts but the screen doen not light | 15:05 |
| Teth0ruX | it is black | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | it could be a graphics issue | 15:06 |
| Teth0ruX | sure? when i restart the netbook (with a hard power off) anything is right | 15:06 |
| CosmoHill | i mean it puts the computer into standby and turns off the graphics | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | when it wakes up it doesn't turn the graphics back on | 15:07 |
| Teth0ruX | hm | 15:07 |
| CosmoHill | this is what I think happens on my laptop with red hat | 15:07 |
| Teth0ruX | hm | 15:07 |
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| Teth0ruX | whan can i do? | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | check to see if there is a bug, if there is add to it, if there isn't then create one | 15:12 |
| Teth0ruX | Ok | 15:12 |
| Teth0ruX | or... could it be a bios problem? | 15:12 |
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| CosmoHill | that would be device specific, you could play around with setting and see what happesn | 15:13 |
| Teth0ruX | okay :D thanks so much! | 15:14 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, I've spent so long on my dissertation both Windows and Linux have released a new version | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | You spent that time with the purpose. | 15:20 |
| RST38h | They spent it to release the same old crap, just more hideous | 15:21 |
| CosmoHill | "we’ve added support for network boot as well as the ability to dual boot with Linux" | 15:21 |
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| azaghal | Hi. A quick check - does MeeGo support installation to a LVM? (saw a thread mentioning it doesn't, just want to double-check) | 16:47 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: does meego have project irc cloaks? | 17:50 |
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| mikhas | andre, why does bugs.meego.com require registered accounts for email addresses I want to add to the CC list of a bug? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: i'm GRF, we should start a process/discussion.. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: on how they're delegated | 17:55 |
| * araujo thinks that'd be nice | 17:56 | |
| Stskeeps | and more importantly, how they look :P | 17:56 |
| timoph | ;) | 17:56 |
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| timoph | something like /meego/quality/timoph or /meego/arm/stskeeps | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, i belong under RE for god knows what reason | 17:57 |
| timoph | :) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | but yre | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | eah | 17:58 |
| timoph | dunno how explicitly the project has to show in the cloak. e.g. does quality include qa tools, etc. I'd use high level things and not go into subproject level with those | 18:00 |
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| timoph | dunno how many different cloaks we would need just for the high level things.. | 18:02 |
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| timoph | hmmh. actually the different possibilites are pretty much listed in meego.gitorious.org | 18:03 |
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| alterego | Do we use KIWI to build images? | 18:11 |
| alterego | (The automated images in repo.meego.com) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 18:13 |
| alterego | So the automated images are done with mic then? | 18:13 |
| * alterego ignores the wiki section on obs wiki | 18:14 | |
| Stskeeps | boss plus mic, afaik | 18:14 |
| alterego | m'kay | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | at some point these were actually manual, i think | 18:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:17 |
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| alterego | I guess from this obs cache, I could in theory generate netbook images and all sorts | 18:23 |
| alterego | As it's a complete mirror of the meego repo right? | 18:23 |
| alterego | Both i586 and armv7el | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:24 |
| alterego | Wicked | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | no non-oss though | 18:24 |
| alterego | Of course | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | and handset/netbook isnt imported by default, just core | 18:24 |
| alterego | Okay | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | but should be easy to hack.. | 18:24 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: I guess netbook UX wouldn't build for ARM? | 18:29 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Here's an analogy suggested to me by Angela Hey, a local tech columnist here in CA. For all of you gray-haired folks who remember Un*x wars, SysV:BSD::Android:MeeGo. | 18:31 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: I'd hope it does build. | 18:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | BSD trumped SysV on technical excellence. We still have a lot of work to do there. | 18:32 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: anyone ever tried? | 18:32 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: not sure, | 18:33 |
| alterego | dm8tbr: is there no netbook in armv7el repo? | 18:33 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: as it would e.g. make sense for my A101 and another guy in helsinki had exactly this idea for his a101 (that's why I'm asking) | 18:33 |
| dm8tbr | let me check | 18:33 |
| dm8tbr | I never did, shame on me. | 18:33 |
| alterego | Doesn't look like it :/ | 18:34 |
| dm8tbr | humh, what's 1.1.90? to-be-1.3? | 18:34 |
| alterego | I thought it was 1.2 | 18:34 |
| timoph | yep. to-be-1.2 | 18:34 |
| alterego | 1.3 with be 1.2.90 :P | 18:34 |
| dm8tbr | so 1.1.80 is dead? | 18:35 |
| timoph | AFAIK .8 changes to .9 after feature freeze | 18:35 |
| alterego | It's all part of the release cycle feature freeze | 18:35 |
| dm8tbr | aaah | 18:35 |
| dm8tbr | thanks for reminding me | 18:35 |
| alterego | That's strange | 18:37 |
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| alterego | For some reason I'd have thought the'd build netbook for all supported architectures :) | 18:37 |
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| odin_ | so is Android technically excellent then ? | 18:39 |
| thiago_home | if you look at their libc, most certainly not | 18:41 |
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| alterego | thiago_home: they have their own libc? | 18:42 |
| thiago_home | yes, called bionic | 18:42 |
| thiago_home | buggy a hell | 18:42 |
| odin_ | if(naive_customer || 0) { for(;;) { send_data_to_google(); sleep(3600); } } | 18:42 |
| alterego | I wonder why they decided to do that .. | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it is more of a GLESv2 vs GL issue (netbook) | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: NIH | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: and noone taking care of it in meego, job open :P | 18:44 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | (n900 team mostly takes care of handset and core only) | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | core's the tough job | 18:45 |
| odin_ | Buggy Implementation Of Newly Implemented Code ? "bionic" | 18:46 |
| javispedro | alterego: also, with glibc they would probably put "STALLMAN GOING POSTAL WITH GPLv3" on their risks list, while bionic is of course Google's to decide. | 18:46 |
| javispedro | so that they allow for propietary devices. | 18:46 |
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| alterego | Hrm | 18:47 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:47 |
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| alterego | I suppose there system is basically, kernel + libc + dalik | 18:47 |
| odin_ | dalvik | 18:47 |
| alterego | :) | 18:48 |
| thiago_home | there are a number of low-level libraries too, like libhardware | 18:49 |
| javispedro | and don't forget about openbinder. | 18:49 |
| * javispedro kinda liked it | 18:50 | |
| alterego | Oh, I didn't realise that the package count was per arch :/ | 18:52 |
| alterego | So I've got another 2663 packages to download for arm :D | 18:52 |
| thiago_home | see http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/libhardware.git;a=blob;f=include/hardware/sensors.h;hb=refs/heads/donut#l80 | 18:52 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: ah, yes EGL vs GL. why didn't I think of it earlier | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: -supposedly- clutter can switch to egl mode but.. | 19:34 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 19:34 |
| * dm8tbr takes a note of a possible for fun and visible project :) | 19:34 | |
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| Stskeeps | i think kulve was looking at that too | 19:35 |
| kulve | upstream clutter is missing TFP for EGL which is needed for window manager stuff (like Mutter) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | i thought maemo had something like that, but that might have been for nokia's extension | 19:37 |
| kulve | There's a patch for a bit older clutter in Linaro and I built stuff with those patches for OMAP3 but didn't have time to test anything yet | 19:37 |
| kulve | Maemo did have it yes, but for clutter 0.8 only. Linaro have it 1.2 and the latest is 1.5 | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:37 |
| dm8tbr | kulve: ah, I might be sending someone your way. one of our guys from helsinki is interested in this for his Archos101 | 19:38 |
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| kulve | ok | 19:40 |
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| veli | kulve: \o/ | 19:51 |
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| kulve | veli: moro :) | 19:52 |
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| veli | kulve: moi! | 19:52 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: ping | 19:58 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: pong; but just about to bath the children... | 20:24 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: later is fine ... comments about MWN and Maemo | 20:27 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, should we cast it off? *g* | 20:55 |
| lbt | :) | 20:55 |
| lbt | I actually mean Apps/Surrounds/OBS and Maemo | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | And, damnit, it's Sunday again. | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | Working Sundays really throws off one's sense of weekly progession. | 20:57 |
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| alterego | lbt: I set up a localobs today, going to work on a fremantle target | 21:01 |
| lbt | alterego: OK - bear in mind that we're significantly down the road on the maemo OBS | 21:01 |
| lbt | so do start with that! | 21:01 |
| alterego | :) | 21:02 |
| alterego | you mean the diablo obs? | 21:02 |
| alterego | I'd imagine technically they're almost identical except for toolchain, rootfs and packages | 21:03 |
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| lbt | I mean fremantle | 21:03 |
| lbt | do you mean diable? | 21:03 |
| lbt | o | 21:03 |
| lbt | https://build.obs.maemo.org/ (which seems to be down :( ) | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | reminds me to rebuild the fosdem2010 app with the 2011 schedule with my obs at work tomorrow | 21:04 |
| dm8tbr | yes, exactly because that is down ;) | 21:04 |
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| alterego | lbt: no I mean fremantle but I know there's a diablo target, are you saying obs.maemo.org can do fremantle? | 21:05 |
| lbt | yep ... it successfully builds a big chunk of 'Extras' | 21:05 |
| lbt | I'm not aware of a Diablo target ... and I'd like one | 21:06 |
| lbt | 'cos then we could replace the autobuilder | 21:06 |
| alterego | Oh cool, didn't know that. So how can I import that infra into my local obs which can build meego against i586 and armv7el core? | 21:06 |
| alterego | lbt: well, there's some wiki page on maemo.org which talks about diablo obs | 21:07 |
| lbt | alterego: get an account there when it's back | 21:07 |
| lbt | alterego: link ? | 21:07 |
| alterego | And it's also mentioned on the suse obs wiki | 21:07 |
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| alterego | lbt: if you go to the suse obs wiki and go to "users" it's at the bottom of that page iirc | 21:08 |
| alterego | I'm afk at the moment so I can't get it myself. | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i (personally) think there's value to meego oss 'app store' allowing to build meego api apps for fremantle.. | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, my idea about the oss subset | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, don't move entire extras to OBS, but add the 'store' software to n900 | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | in fact, i'll be provocative and suggest rpm alongside on maemo, pre-seeded with meego api names :) | 21:12 |
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| alterego | Heh | 21:13 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: MeeGo API on Maemo 5 is... intriguing. What elements are in the MeeGo API which aren't covered by Qt & Qt Mobility et al? | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html | 21:14 |
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| thiago_home | meego api = opengles + qt + qt mobility | 21:18 |
| thiago_home | so n900 has technically everything | 21:18 |
| thiago_home | but not the platform API, nor is it compliant | 21:18 |
| dm8tbr | so don't call it meego, call it mg ;) | 21:20 |
| timoph | or stick the hildon stuff on top of meego core | 21:21 |
| thiago_home | hildon will not be able to make apps look like meego | 21:21 |
| thiago_home | just like QWidget couldn't | 21:22 |
| timoph | ah. true | 21:22 |
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| timoph | was thinking about the compliance thing | 21:22 |
| thiago_home | maemo5 is definitely not a meego-compliant device | 21:23 |
| thiago_home | however, it has the meego api | 21:23 |
| RST38h | furthermore,maemo5 is not a device | 21:23 |
| timoph | :) | 21:23 |
| thiago_home | right | 21:23 |
| thiago_home | so let me rephrase: a device running maemo5 is not a meego-compliant device | 21:23 |
| timoph | yep. but meego core + hildon would be? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: hildon desktop, i suppose? | 21:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: yes | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: that one is more complicated :) | 21:25 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: back | 21:35 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: hey | 22:12 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: hey! :-) | 23:10 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: sry | 23:11 |
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| lbt | going to whistler in Feb/Mar.... looking for a room \o/ | 23:12 |
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| lbt | so Jaffa... I was just going to suggest that you put something into MWN about the future of Maemo | 23:15 |
| lbt | autobuilder | 23:16 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Indeed. As noted earlier (and by thp), diablo supports the kicker for a complete OBS replacement. | 23:18 |
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| lbt | yes, and it may be good to start planning the maemo migration ... | 23:18 |
| lbt | I don't even know what that means :) | 23:18 |
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| Matan[M] | Orange Poland did show with testing WP7, god hate WP7, and me too | 23:49 |
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