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| tzorvas | is anyone insterested in bringing MeeGo-SDK to Gentoo? | 00:06 |
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| ali1234 | anyone know how to change the osc default editor to something sensible? | 00:08 |
| berndhs | export EDITOR="/the/resobable/editor" ? | 00:09 |
| berndhs | being careful to spell it correctly :) | 00:10 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:10 |
| alterego | tzorvas: I don't think so no. | 00:10 |
| ali1234 | berndhs: thanks | 00:10 |
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| ali1234 | hmm what Group: should i put this in? | 00:33 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1130038430.png :3 | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | "JNT Association"? | 00:36 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, janet? | 00:37 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 00:37 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, pity we don't have that at Clowns, you could attend the Cambridge meet in HD | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | that was monday, today it was crap | 00:40 |
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| CosmoHill | took me 3 mins to copy 8MB to a network folder | 00:40 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, does ARU have an electronic notice board to advertise meetings/events? | 00:41 |
| CosmoHill | yeah there is a system for that | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | monitors around campus attached to thin clients broadcasting stuff | 00:42 |
| vgrade | if I prep a doc for the Cambridge could you post | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 00:42 |
| vgrade | Cambridge meet | 00:42 |
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| vgrade | could you enquire? | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | I'll try, not to sure where to start tho | 00:44 |
| vgrade | thanks | 00:44 |
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| alterego | vgrade: I think so yeah. | 00:45 |
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| ali1234 | odin_: what's this "other script" for local build? | 00:45 |
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| ali1234 | awesome it worked on remote build on my second try (didn't make the tarball right first time) | 01:26 |
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| ali1234 | so, where do the rpms come out? | 01:30 |
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| ali1234 | huh, meego says i'm running low on battery... but it's 87% and it is plugged in and charging | 01:33 |
| lbt | kyb3R: ping | 01:33 |
| ali1234 | ah : http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/ali1234:/Mavatar/meego_1.1_core/ | 01:35 |
| lbt | kyb3R: if you're about I'd like to discuss the presentation for the FI Summit | 01:35 |
| lbt | I'll be here over the weekend so ping me | 01:35 |
| lbt | bed now | 01:35 |
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| makulkar | alterego, http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/ doesnt have fullsource code.. do know where i cna find? | 01:51 |
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| mauricelynch | user zhiyuan | 03:32 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA1NA | 03:34 |
| CosmoHill | do we have a "guide to becoming a meego developer?" | 03:34 |
| mauricelynch | Developing Applications? | 03:35 |
| mauricelynch | CosmoHill: Developig Applications? | 03:36 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking more core meego work | 03:37 |
| mauricelynch | CosmoHill: Not sure, but would suggest Linux Development, if you are think about App, then Qt http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/tutorials.html | 03:38 |
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| mauricelynch | CosmoHill: As MeeGo is built using Linux, then I would assume any Linux Development guides/tutorials will help | 03:39 |
| beford | I though QML was the recommended toolkit | 03:41 |
| beford | thought* | 03:41 |
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| CosmoHill | I could just try my LFS approach | 03:42 |
| mauricelynch | beford: Maybe, I'm no expert it depends on the Dev work | 03:42 |
| CosmoHill | that way I'll be a developer within 18 months ^.^ | 03:42 |
| mauricelynch | :) | 03:43 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:43 |
| Aard | CosmoHill: you just need to know how a linux system works. for the meego specific packaging details, and package submission processes there's documentation in the wiki | 03:43 |
| CosmoHill | thanks Aard, night night | 03:44 |
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| Termana | morning | 08:20 |
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| dm8tbr | mood groaning | 09:05 |
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| AgentBlair | yay meego | 09:47 |
| AgentBlair | if only it were relevent in the USA :( | 09:48 |
| dm8tbr | make it happen :) | 09:49 |
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| hirabayashitaro | hi everyone. I'm intrested in taking contacts with the development team about the contacts management, but found no places except for http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-people which do not seem (at least to me) very community-oriented. Any suggestion? | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: contactsd and friends? | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: best way is to start a conversation on meego-dev@ probably with some specific questions | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | handset-people is just a frontend | 10:58 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: I suppose so, the tool for managing contacts, mail addresses, and so on | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's 'just' a reference application :) | 10:58 |
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| hirabayashitaro | and where can I suggest an improvement for this reference application? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: well, meego-handset@ mailing list, or requirements process | 11:00 |
| kyb3R | file a bug perhaps? | 11:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | kyb3R: I thinked about it, but I suppose is something which requires some discussion because it involves different projects as it was told me | 11:04 |
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| hirabayashitaro | In practical I'd like to suggest an improvement of the contacts management adding the fields for phonetical transcription of names, which are supported by vCard but seems to be not supported by the Evolution-Data-Server, on which meego is based. Am I wrong? | 11:06 |
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| alterego | Not sure, if that's case we probably would want an up stream change in evolution | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: i'm personally not sure what the backend is supposed to be, but if vcard requires it, it might make it into meego | 11:07 |
| alterego | Well, the platform backend is evolution, but we use Qt mobility APIs to interact with it. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: i've also seen work on 'contactsd', so i wonder if things are changing | 11:09 |
| alterego | Interesting, not heard of that before. | 11:09 |
| hirabayashitaro | I'm not a programmer and I don't really know about the environment behind the contact list, but I suppose that expecially mobile phones are supposed to be as complete as possible on storing informations which the user brings with him in his pochet | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: agreed - it seems weird if there is no additional field option? | 11:10 |
| alterego | hirabayashitaro: well, you'd hope any device wants to be as complete as possible. | 11:10 |
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| alterego | Well, it doesn't seem like a too common feature, is it available in Symbian? | 11:11 |
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| Normal_Guy | hello | 11:12 |
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| Normal_Guy | i need backup someone from Poland | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | why from poland? | 11:12 |
| hirabayashitaro | well, the phonetic field is used mainly in east asian countries, but there are many people related with Japan and China, and I think the market is also interesting for this kind of project | 11:12 |
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| alterego | I suspected it was a Japan/China thing, though I'm not saying that it makes your request any less important :) | 11:13 |
| Normal_Guy | thiago_home: or someone who know Polish Language | 11:13 |
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| hirabayashitaro | alterego: well... it is, but it is not. I'm italian after all | 11:14 |
| hirabayashitaro | alterego: and I think it will increase compatibility between devices, as the vCard is an international standard for sending and receiving contacts informations | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: well, a good direction will be to get it supported in backend - so, a feature/requirement on the roadmap | 11:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: and how can I achieve this? | 11:16 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: I'm sorry but I'm still not well understanding how things work in the meego community | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: sec | 11:17 |
| thiago_home | Normal_Guy: no one can help you before they know what you need help with... | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | hirabayashitaro: http://meego.com/developers/requirements | 11:17 |
| Normal_Guy | thiago_home: i don't know well english language so talk in Polish Language can better solve my problem | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | Normal_Guy: is it a meego problem? | 11:19 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: well, so I have to open a "bug"... | 11:20 |
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| Normal_Guy | Stskeeps: yes, i have problem with running MeeGo netbook on my Asus B53j | 11:20 |
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| Normal_Guy | .close | 11:44 |
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| alterego | Heh | 11:47 |
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| hhartz | anybody know how to get WLAN back on the ideapad with MeeGo netbook? | 12:10 |
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| thiago_home | need to download and install the broadcom drivers | 12:11 |
| timoph | hhartz: you need to compile the driver. look at http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html | 12:12 |
| hhartz | thiago_home: but it was working, suddenly wifi is disabled and can't be re-enabled | 12:12 |
| thiago_home | did you do any upgrades? | 12:13 |
| hhartz | thiago_home: probably | 12:14 |
| hhartz | timoph: thanks, will try | 12:14 |
| thiago_home | you need to reinstall the driver | 12:14 |
| hhartz | thiago_home: ok, thanks. I'll follow timoph's link | 12:14 |
| thiago_home | intel tried to give us netbooks with atheros wifi, but they weren't easy to get | 12:15 |
| timoph | nice toy to play with anyway | 12:15 |
| timoph | btw, there's a very noticeably performance boost to it when upgrading it's ram to 2gb | 12:19 |
| timoph | IMO with 1gb it's barely usable since it's swapping memory all the time | 12:20 |
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| lbt | kyb3R: ping again | 12:29 |
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| kyb3R | lbt: pong | 12:34 |
| kyb3R | again :) | 12:34 |
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| lbt | hi Jarrko | 12:35 |
| kyb3R | hi David | 12:35 |
| lbt | so... summit.fi | 12:35 |
| lbt | I just wanteds to get a feel for the audience | 12:36 |
| lbt | I heard the Oulo group were very commercially focused - vendor type interests | 12:36 |
| lbt | and this would influence what I talked about wrt OBS/build/BOSS etc | 12:36 |
| lbt | versus, say, community OBS, Surrounds, Apps | 12:36 |
| lbt | or both | 12:36 |
| kyb3R | Oulu is commercial yes | 12:37 |
| kyb3R | rest of us are community oriented developers | 12:37 |
| kyb3R | MeeGo Summit FI is developer and hacker oriented event | 12:38 |
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| kyb3R | so the audience might not want to hear about business kind of topics or ideas | 12:38 |
| lbt | OK - so the recent Apps/Surrounds thing will have fleshed out by then | 12:38 |
| lbt | and BOSS/automation is really important to do effective QA with limited community resource | 12:39 |
| kyb3R | yeah | 12:39 |
| kyb3R | btw, I'm just about to post a new blog entry which describes the difference of these two events (and related to third event in Russia) | 12:40 |
| timoph | lbt: btw, is there something that e.g. me could contribute to BOSS development? | 12:40 |
| lbt | ok ... good | 12:40 |
| lbt | timoph: sure... it's GPL/python/ruby | 12:41 |
| lbt | sec | 12:41 |
| lbt | timoph: eg... this: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/SkyNET is our next important step | 12:41 |
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| timoph | since we have bit of an interest getting it into use so vilvo basically said that I could use work hours for that | 12:41 |
| lbt | we *really* need to makes the components managable and productise it | 12:42 |
| lbt | cool ... tell vilvo thanks :) | 12:42 |
| lcuk3 | you are making skynet? | 12:42 |
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| lbt | lcuk3: we are ;) | 12:42 |
| timoph | :) | 12:42 |
| * lbt has identified the exoskeleton pattern too | 12:43 | |
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| lbt | scared him off! | 12:43 |
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| hhartz | timoph: any other trick to get wlan back up? reboot didn't help after install.. | 12:43 |
| lcuk | no, just rise of the clones. | 12:43 |
| lbt | timoph: so that needs python expertise | 12:44 |
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| timoph | I'm pretty novice with it | 12:44 |
| * timoph is mainly a c++ dev | 12:44 | |
| lbt | ok - so look at the design/stories | 12:45 |
| lcuk | timoph, remember playing with lego as a kid? | 12:45 |
| lbt | yeah if you can do C++ then python is easy (and kinda similar) | 12:45 |
| timoph | lcuk: yep :) | 12:46 |
| RST38h | lbt: Still think that "Surrounds" is the wrong name | 12:46 |
| * araujo greets around | 12:46 | |
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| lcuk | python is similar :) | 12:47 |
| lbt | kyb3R: I'll send you an email with bio etc... but verbal 'OK' for attending. Please feel free to suggest aspects around those areas that would engage and fit the talks | 12:47 |
| lcuk | Yo! araujo | 12:48 |
| lbt | RST38h: it's not too late ... but lets scope and define the project and then worry about the brand | 12:48 |
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| lbt | feel free to consider "Surrounds" a codeword | 12:48 |
| lbt | if any python devs want to comment on issues in that design then I'm all ears BTW | 12:50 |
| kyb3R | lbt: ok, thanks | 12:50 |
| * lbt isn't sure about dropping privs in a python app | 12:50 | |
| lbt | eg if I setuid and execute user provided code, do you get an open R/W filehandle to __file__ which allows you to hack at the source which runs as root next time? | 12:52 |
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| kyb3R | the blog entry: http://meego.ajatukseni.net/2011/01/29/meego-triangle-spring-2011/ | 12:54 |
| lbt | ta | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | kyb3R, :D I thought the meego triangle was related to a summit in Bermuda! | 12:56 |
| kyb3R | :) | 12:56 |
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| jonnor | lbt: I'd try it out. Anyhow, executing user provided code in a setuid python app is not very nice in any case | 13:32 |
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| lbt | jonnor: why? | 13:32 |
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| thiago_home | requires a setuid python | 13:37 |
| thiago_home | scripts don't get setuid protection | 13:37 |
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| hhartz | thiago_home: so, ideapad is still without wifi. when I think of it this happened before I upgraded and there were some articles online about having to install windows to re-enable the wifi hardware | 13:58 |
| lcuk | hhartz, enter bios, reset and save | 14:00 |
| lcuk | then reboot meego and afaik it works | 14:00 |
| lcuk | </grapevine> | 14:00 |
| odin_ | ali1234, ping? | 14:01 |
| hhartz | lcuk: awesome, thanks! | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | hhartz, make sure also that your wifi travel switch is set correctly. | 14:04 |
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| hhartz | lcuk: yep, been bitten by that before :) | 14:04 |
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| Matan[M] | hello! i written app to controll meego [handset] with Wii-Remote, so i have question, when will the app shop for Meego runs? | 14:47 |
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| Ans5i | Matan[M]: dunno. Maybe when they get device our | 14:55 |
| Matan[M] | hmmm... so i must wait for Intel and Nokia turn... | 14:56 |
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| Ans5i | quick googling said that ovi supports maemo so one would guess that it would be compatible | 14:57 |
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| alterego | There is currently no app shop. | 14:58 |
| alterego | Not for MeeGo handset. | 14:58 |
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| Matan[M] | alterego: huh? can you paste here some url for this shop? | 14:59 |
| alterego | Matan[M]: did you read what I said? | 14:59 |
| Ans5i | http://meegosoftware.com/ | 14:59 |
| Matan[M] | Ans5i: thx | 15:00 |
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| Ans5i | might be fake page. | 15:01 |
| Ans5i | despite videos. | 15:01 |
| alterego | There's nothing official about that page .. | 15:04 |
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| Ans5i | yep | 15:06 |
| Ans5i | videos aren't fake afaik :) | 15:07 |
| Ans5i | but site is. | 15:07 |
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| Ans5i | Matan[M]: best thing to do would be sent to mail to ovi store and open an account. it's quite cheap ~1$ and that's the place where meego store is coming. | 15:08 |
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| alterego | That's where the MeeGo store for Nokia MeeGo based handsets are. | 15:09 |
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| wazd | Heya everyone :) | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd, how's stuff? | 15:26 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: hey, fine as always, comming back home with lots of omweather and gpodder mockups :) | 15:28 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and you?) | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hungover | 15:29 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: eeek, good friday night? :) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: quite, morning not so much | 15:30 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps, nice :) my weekend is spoiled with my apartments renovation :) | 15:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: have to control everything myself if I want it done right | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: yeah, or risk coming back to something like http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC_0012.JPG | 15:34 |
| wazd | Meheh :) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, the thing on the floor was previously on the wall) | 15:35 |
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| lbt_away | Ans5i: thanks for the link. Escalated :) | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: ah, domain names.. that'll be a fun discussion | 15:44 |
| lbt | yeah - but in this case it looks like out and out fraud | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, am not disagreeing | 15:45 |
| Termana | heh | 15:45 |
| lbt | and I have to say ... meego.com certs were a bit flakey for a while | 15:45 |
| lbt | we need to be seen to be 'trustable' | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=meego&de_search=Search&filter=n&bh=A&pool=C&bc=25 | 15:46 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nb... bot VM ... let me know when's good | 15:46 |
| lbt | 1588... | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | http://domain-search.domaintools.com/?q=meego&de_search=Search&filter=n&bh=A&pool=C&bc=25&time=20110129054558-25&page=6 is fun | 15:48 |
| lbt | http://finiware.nl/ | 15:49 |
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| wazd | I want to access meego forum in 1 click from the index, not 5( | 15:49 |
| lbt | the guy who owns them is a .Net guy :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://whois.domaintools.com/repository-meego.com | 15:50 |
| wazd | Meegoblin.com? :) | 15:51 |
| wazd | Meego netbook edition codename :) | 15:51 |
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| Ans5i | Mee Go Blin | 15:52 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: it's amazing that intel/nokia didn't go on a spending splurge when they knew the name ... especially all the obvious meego-* ones | 15:52 |
| lbt | meh .... | 15:53 |
| lbt | wazd: report a bug... mrshaver | 15:53 |
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| lbt | although I'm still pissed at the lack of forum/email work | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm torn on meego* domain names, as some sites are good, some aren't | 15:53 |
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| lbt | you mean as official ones? | 15:54 |
| wazd | Lbt: I've reported bug right at the MeeConf :) | 15:54 |
| lbt | wazd: number? | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, also like 'meego experts' being trademark compliant | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | news sites, etc | 15:55 |
| Termana | lbt, why go buy domain names when you can offer flakey evidence of piracy (even false flakey evidence) and have their domain revoked? | 15:55 |
| Termana | :p | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | termana has a point | 15:55 |
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| lbt | Termana: it's cheaper | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lo achipa | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: btw, nice little trick: did you know it's possible to make a 'detached root' in OBS? like, let's say i build meego base for armv6 using Trunk:Testing, i can break the umbilical cord / search path with removing <path> in meta prj | 15:58 |
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| * CosmoHill installs the new ovi suite, looks at it and wishes he hadn't | 17:47 | |
| timoph | :) | 17:48 |
| RST38h | You really had to do it to understand that? | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | I saw an update and thought "oo maybe it won't crash so much" | 17:48 |
| RST38h | I mean, previous times weren't enough? =) | 17:48 |
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| CosmoHill | this is my first upgrade | 17:48 |
| Ans5i | :-/ | 17:50 |
| Ans5i | actual ovi site is quite good | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | how do I get ride of this music player thing that I will never use? | 17:50 |
| Ans5i | store i mean | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Ans5i: Oh really? 8) | 17:51 |
| Ans5i | i don't know, have not used it :) | 17:51 |
| RST38h | CosmoHill: I actually started writing an Ovi Suite replacement of sorts | 17:51 |
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| CosmoHill | does it come with shiny things I don't use or want? | 17:52 |
| Ans5i | yeah, i hope it has command line interface. | 17:52 |
| RST38h | CosmoHill: Based on the PersonalWebServer idea Nokia had for Symbian but then killed | 17:52 |
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| RST38h | CosmoHill: It comes in your web browser | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | did you know by default the nokia 6220c only stores 20 text messages? I had to change that to 100 | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | CosmoHill: runs on the device and exposes call logs, address book, etc via HTTP | 17:53 |
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| Ans5i | sounds like rest and cloud | 17:53 |
| CosmoHill | interesting, does it require wifi? | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | Cosmo: Requires *some* network connection to the device, with an address to connect to. PWS had a proxy for that | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | Cosmo: Actually, we can do a proxy too, can't we? :) | 17:54 |
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| ivparamonov | lbt: could you please give me access to community OBS for building rpm packages? | 17:58 |
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| ivparamonov | my meego.com account name is ivparamonov | 17:58 |
| alterego | He might not be about today ivparamonov | 17:59 |
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| ivparamonov | ok, I will try later | 18:03 |
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| lbt | ivparamonov: pong | 18:05 |
| lbt | just checking .. open source? | 18:05 |
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| ivparamonov | lbt: yeah | 18:05 |
| lbt | and not 'core meego' stuff ? | 18:05 |
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| ivparamonov | no, user GUI applications | 18:06 |
| lbt | OK done | 18:06 |
| ivparamonov | thank you! | 18:06 |
| lbt | have fun :) | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | why am I reminded of that time my friend forked() a cluster | 18:06 |
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| lbt | seriously... how many lcuks do we need | 18:06 |
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| CosmoHill | they multiple whenever they hear the words "open source" | 18:07 |
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| smoku | lbt, what's about "not 'core meego' stuff"? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: if they are supposed to work on build.meego.com and got the two OBS'es confused, i guess | 18:10 |
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| smoku | oh :) | 18:11 |
| smoku | so, rebuilding Qt does not count? :> | 18:12 |
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| CosmoHill | salut thiago | 18:22 |
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| sivang | evening | 18:26 |
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| CosmoHill | can I delete C:/ProgramData/NokiaInstallerCache? | 18:27 |
| sivang | oh, interestint question. I would not know. Is this on the device? | 18:31 |
| * sivang changes a laptop keyboard so things should be better with his spelling these days | 18:31 | |
| CosmoHill | nope, Windows 7, it's from the Ovi suite I think | 18:31 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: have you uninstalled ovi suite? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | sivang: QWERY? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | nope, I'm still using it | 18:32 |
| sivang | then my bet would be to save it | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | the folder is about 4 months old and I\ve been using the ovi suit since then | 18:32 |
| sivang | I'd keep it unless I'm tighly constrained with free space. | 18:33 |
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| CosmoHill | fair enough, I'll just leave it then | 18:34 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: if you are seeing problems with stuff you updated not being updated, this is something else. For me in chrome this means it has started relaying on its cache too much and I forecfully erase its cache so it would show my last modification to my pyramid project. | 18:36 |
| sivang | (a web app project) | 18:36 |
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| CosmoHill | try pressing ctrl + F5 | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | that should refresh without loading from cache | 18:44 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: yes, this sometimes helps indeed. | 18:44 |
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| effchen_ADNW2 | meego is great | 19:14 |
| effchen_ADNW2 | i have it on my eee1000 | 19:14 |
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| alterego | I still need to play with meego netbook | 19:15 |
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| effchen_ADNW2 | with java, ntsf and all codecs | 19:15 |
| effchen_ADNW2 | just good :-) | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | oh god, why am I watching Man U play | 19:17 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 21:12 |
| Goliath23 | whats with the rumors, that nokia will drop meego in favor of windows for smartphones? I hope nothing? | 21:12 |
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| thiago_home | rumours | 21:13 |
| thiago_home | but you're definitely not going to find answers in a channel full of Nokia people | 21:14 |
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| Goliath23 | true, I guess :) | 21:16 |
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| * thiago_home won't comment on rumours, of course | 21:18 | |
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| smoku | Goliath23, if Nokia wants to be yet-another HTC, this is a straight way for this goal :) | 21:20 |
| thiago_home | "finnish boy who pisses himself in the Winter"... | 21:21 |
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| timoph | :) | 21:21 |
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| Goliath23 | it's a pity, I really like my N900, and I would definately want to buy a successor.. but how did stallman put it? "A sucker is born every minute" .. so iPhone and Android wins? | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Goliath23: meego.com's streaming right ahead, more and more jobs, resources are put into it every day | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | that's not normally a sign of something that is getting dropped :) | 21:28 |
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| kavacha | when is meego going to drop rpm and move to deb ? This it would be closer to a N900 successor :P | 21:31 |
| Goliath23 | Stskeeps: I wish all the best! | 21:31 |
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| Goliath23 | maybe smartphones will end up like desktops. sold with iOS, windows, whatever preinstalled, and then the geeks put their (free as in speech) linux on it :) | 21:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | smartphones are already more or less like that | 21:35 |
| psycho_oreos | when you buy the phone you essentially buy their OS that comes with it regardless if you wanted it or not | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | Smartphones already ended up as more or less generic ARM devices with iOS or Android or WP7 on them, tightly controlled by the manufacturer and the service provider | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | No space for the "hacker" there, really | 21:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | 1) don't forget symbian or webos or moblin :) 2) not really, iOS < v4 iirc allows users to install linux on it, wp7 was jailbreakable via that chevronwp7 hack before microsoft invited those hackers on their dev team and kindly told them to stop distributing chevronwp7 hack. Google Nexus One and Nexus S has unlocked bootloader | 21:39 |
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| dm8tbr | RST38h: that's why I like my Archos tablets. quite open, friendly, no hoops to jump through to start working on whatever embedded system I want. :) | 21:46 |
| smoku | RST38h, you can already choose between 5 different OSes on HTC HD2 | 21:46 |
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| smoku | so there is a space for hackers on mobile devices | 21:48 |
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| * javispedro notes the HD2 case is probably caused because HTC reused the same hw many times | 21:49 | |
| RST38h | smoku: But none officially | 21:49 |
| smoku | RST38h, if you buy a laptop, only Windows is officially supported | 21:50 |
| RST38h | smoku: Actually, no. | 21:50 |
| Goliath23 | one thing I really liked about my N900 was, that someone ported syncevolution and made it possible for me to sync my pimdata to my personal horde server. doubt something like this is possible on WP7 or iOS4, don't know about android... | 21:50 |
| RST38h | smoku: You mean it *comes*with Windows, butit does not mean that only Windows is supported | 21:50 |
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| smoku | RST38h, you can count linux supporting laptop on one hand fingers | 21:51 |
| smoku | similarly with linux supporting mobile devices ;P | 21:52 |
| RST38h | smoku: Again, you mistake "comes with linux" for "linux supported" | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Different things | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Manufacturers generally do not lock up laptop hardware or subsystems | 21:52 |
| smoku | RST38h, I have'n seen a laptop supporting Linux _officially_ ever in my life | 21:52 |
| berndhs | smoku: you mean these 3 laptops on my desk running 5 kinds of linux aren't working ? | 21:52 |
| RST38h | smoku: Well there is first time for everything | 21:53 |
| smoku | berndhs, does the laptop manufacturer support these linux installations? | 21:53 |
| berndhs | berndhs: including the one that came with linux installed ? | 21:53 |
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| berndhs | smoku: what does the manufacturer do to support windows if something doesn't work right ? | 21:54 |
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| smoku | berndhs, I can call them and they will fix it | 21:54 |
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| berndhs | smoku: the manufacturer ? no they won't. they might send you a new laptop just like the old one, but they wont fix windows problems | 21:54 |
| smoku | by the same argument - I have three mobile devices oficially supporting linux | 21:55 |
| smoku | so this means that every mobile device supports linux? | 21:55 |
| RST38h | and they are? | 21:55 |
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| smoku | this is the exact same case | 21:57 |
| smoku | yes. we do lack drivers for mobile hardware | 21:57 |
| smoku | but few years ago we lacked drivers for PC hardware | 21:58 |
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| smoku | on snapdragon you can even have a completely free reverse-engineered SGX driver | 21:59 |
| smoku | same case for nvidia SGX driver on the PC platform | 22:00 |
| javispedro | ermm?? | 22:00 |
| javispedro | nvidia SGX driver? | 22:00 |
| javispedro | s/SGX/3D ? | 22:00 |
| smoku | yes | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: one exists now? (snapdragon) | 22:01 |
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| * javispedro is wishing for re sgx =) | 22:01 | |
| smoku | Stskeeps, yes. | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: url? | 22:01 |
| smoku | Stskeeps, you would need to ask devs | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, cotulla and co? | 22:02 |
| smoku | it's not public-ready yet | 22:02 |
| smoku | yes | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok then | 22:02 |
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| smoku | i've seen it in action and meego runs very smooth :) | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw a video | 22:04 |
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| TSCHAK | wowza, so maybe, we can have sane GMA500 someday too | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone who has actually bought a N900 and can give me their /proc/cpuinfo ? | 22:25 |
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| TSCHAK | Stskeeps: one moment bro. | 22:27 |
| TSCHAK | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/qVZK5LVd | 22:28 |
| psycho_oreos | http://pastebin.com/0jZ1Nsgk | 22:28 |
| psycho_oreos | bleh beaten :) | 22:28 |
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