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| lcuk | ali1234, latest x86 pinetrail images surprisingly boot on my 'normal' machines now! lenovo x200s and packardbell allinone desktop | 00:04 |
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| ali1234 | are they AMD machines? | 00:04 |
| ali1234 | do they have nvidia graphics? | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, nope/nope | 00:05 |
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| ali1234 | should i file the bootloader delay problem under "Netbook User Experience" or "OS Core"? | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | netbook | 00:08 |
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| thiago_home | the bootloader changes according to device | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | ok thanks | 00:09 |
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| rohanpm | did build.meego.com just now get restored (?) | 00:25 |
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| rohanpm | ... yes, apparently it was :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | rohanpm, it was down for an hourish | 00:38 |
| lcuk | still on its way up according to ML | 00:38 |
| rohanpm | I think it was more like two hours | 00:40 |
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| makulkar | my qt declarative(qml) app doesnt print qdebugs on console. What is the alternative? | 00:53 |
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| ali1234 | right, 5 bugs submitted, 1 updated. and i'm ever so slightly closer to doing what i was trying to do... | 00:55 |
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| berndhs | makulkar: look at qInstallMsgHandler ( QtMsgHandler handler ) | 00:56 |
| berndhs | makulkar: and make sure debug is turned on in teh compile | 00:57 |
| alterego | makulkar: see :) | 00:57 |
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| thiago_home | makulkar: in MeeGo, the debugs are logged in the syslog | 01:18 |
| thiago_home | see if they appear there | 01:19 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, I never asked, how was your trip? :D did you get to see the sights in NY? | 01:20 |
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| thiago_home | yeah, it was good | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | we were next to times square | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | got to see the 2011 ball | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | not as impressive as I had expected | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | times square is nice | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | just wish I had had the time for a show | 01:22 |
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| djszapi | Is there a meego emulator to develop a meego app in a way without a real gadget ? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, heh yeah, every city I have been in I have left wanting to see more | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | djszapi: no emulator, just simulators | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | djszapi: xephyr is a good simulator | 01:24 |
| andre__ | djszapi: only SDK | 01:24 |
| djszapi | sorry, wrong word, you are right :) | 01:24 |
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| djszapi | should that work on Windows7 ? | 01:24 |
| thiago_home | no | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | use a supported Linux distro | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | question for netbook users who are a bit pissed off with resizing: | 01:27 |
| djszapi | k, ty thiago. | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | could we implement a single 2 finger gesture on the WM to do window resizing with (upto max size) | 01:27 |
| lcuk | nothing fancy, just make this window bigger/smaller when that one single thing is used | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | not yet | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | no support for 2-finger gestures in the WM | 01:28 |
| thiago_home | this will come with meego 1.2 or 1.3 | 01:28 |
| lcuk | ok | 01:28 |
| lcuk | i know x11 supplies interleaved data | 01:29 |
| lcuk | on the ideapad at least | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | x11 officially has no support | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | we're working towards adding XInput 2.1 support for X.org 1.11 | 01:29 |
| thiago_home | to be released in August, so it gets into MeeGo 1.3 | 01:30 |
| lcuk | i know | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo 1.1 contains a hack called "RX-71 multitouch", which is bad for everyone | 01:30 |
| lcuk | but this is thinking about a tiny patch "somewhere" | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo 1.2 will contain the Harmattan XInput 2.0 hack | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | it would allow self solving the window resizing issues people have filed bugs against | 01:31 |
| lcuk | in a way that makes use of multitouch :) | 01:31 |
| lcuk | ie ticking the right boxes :P | 01:31 |
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| thiago_home | our discussion was that system gestures would be 4 fingers or more | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | so apps could use any 1 to 3 finger gesture they wante | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | 4 fingers are not supported on lots of classes of hardware | 01:32 |
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| thiago_home | I know, we can simply require that in the minimum HW requirements | 01:33 |
| thiago_home | like requiring 3-button mice back in 1998 | 01:33 |
| lcuk | its ok though, one of the window resizing bugs is related to mouse use anyway | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, those programs that require 3 button mice wfrom 1998 ill not all work on hardware produced now | 01:34 |
| thiago_home | sure they will | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | everything these days has the 3rd button | 01:35 |
| lcuk | my ideapad does not have a third mouse button | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | you can configure one of the corners are the 3rd button | 01:35 |
| lcuk | it barely has a 2nd, but that is beside the point | 01:35 |
| thiago_home | run synclient | 01:35 |
| lcuk | and any touchscreen device does not | 01:35 |
| lcuk | how do you "middle click" on a tablet? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | slate only | 01:35 |
| lcuk | you can do long tap for right click sometimes as a hack | 01:36 |
| lcuk | but how do you do middle click (third mouse button) | 01:36 |
| thiago_home | right, but those apps don't fit a tablet | 01:36 |
| thiago_home | I'm thinking traditional desktop / workstation apps from 1998 run on desktops and workstations | 01:36 |
| thiago_home | not on phones, tablets or even netbooks | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | haha ;) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, i agree in principle | 01:38 |
| lcuk | but the apps from 1998 have one key thing which may allow them to run better on this hardware: | 01:38 |
| lcuk | they were designed for a lower resolution and fit the screen better than any modern app | 01:39 |
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| thiago_home | good point | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, in 1998 I was still writing in C and asm on my amiga! | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | what were you doing back then? | 01:41 |
| * CosmoHill was riding his bike with his school friends | 01:42 | |
| thiago_home | high school | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | and landed my first Linux kernel patch | 01:42 |
| CosmoHill | wait, could I ride a bike in 1998 | 01:42 |
| thiago_home | back in 2.1.90something or 100something | 01:42 |
| lcuk | cool thiago_home - what did it do? | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | no clue | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | too long ago | 01:43 |
| lcuk | was it your first OSS contribution? | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | I think so, yes | 01:43 |
| thiago_home | to an organised project | 01:43 |
| lcuk | :) nice | 01:44 |
| thiago_home | I had played with ircds, but never to a project | 01:44 |
| lcuk | My first actual patch was offered to the developers of flashblock on firefox :$ | 01:44 |
| thiago_home | I also started using KDE in 1997 / 98. It was fun to compile the betas. | 01:44 |
| thiago_home | XFree86 3.4, very hard to get working right | 01:44 |
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| CosmoHill | I think one of my first patches was to add a logo to the linux kernel or to fix the Silo boot loader | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | starting to use KDE was what brought me down this path | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | 2000 = contribution to KDE | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | 2001 = become KDE developer | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | 2005 = attend KDE conference (Málaga) and become KDE e.V. member | 01:45 |
| thiago_home | 2006 = start at Trolltech AS, which became Trolltech ASA, which got acquired by Nokia in 2008 | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: cool | 01:47 |
| thiago_home | 2009 = first trip to Portland, had no idea why I was asked to go there, that Moblin stuff had nothing to do with us :-) | 01:47 |
| eurisko | Troll tech :D | 01:47 |
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| thiago_home | 2010 = 3 trips to the US, all 3 got me to Portland | 01:48 |
| lcuk | do trolls have a secret handshake? :D | 01:48 |
| thiago_home | can't reveal that | 01:49 |
| thiago_home | I'd have to kill you if I did | 01:49 |
| * lcuk giggles | 01:49 | |
| thiago_home | or hire you | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: is it like a glasgow kiss? | 01:49 |
| thiago_home | you choose which one is worse | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | oo, thiago_home is that a 50/50 chance? | 01:49 |
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| lcuk | I have been a troll on slashdot a few times I think | 01:51 |
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| eurisko | where you ppl from? | 01:52 |
| lcuk | I generally tell people I am from Earth. | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | you see the box that says "do not open"? | 01:52 |
| lcuk | it saves the questions. | 01:52 |
| raster | not from uranus | 01:52 |
| eurisko | ah... me too, you know but i am from a city called lisbon | 01:52 |
| lcuk | hi raster, nice entrance! | 01:53 |
| lcuk | eurisko, I am from Manchester | 01:54 |
| raster | lcuk: :) | 01:54 |
| lcuk | how are you doing? | 01:54 |
| * araujo greets lcuk & raster | 01:54 | |
| raster | way too early | 01:54 |
| lcuk | araujo, \o | 01:54 |
| raster | araujo: ola! | 01:54 |
| araujo | :) | 01:54 |
| araujo | lcuk, raster how you guys doing? | 01:54 |
| lcuk | I am great araujo, hows you? | 01:55 |
| eurisko | so is araujo portuguese? | 01:55 |
| raster | lcuk: only found out last night at like 10:30... pm.. while still at the office.. that i have an all-day meeting at 9:30am | 01:55 |
| raster | aaagh | 01:55 |
| araujo | lcuk, doing good ... taking advantage that nobody is using OBS atm it seems, hehehe | 01:55 |
| raster | araujo: busy as usual | 01:55 |
| araujo | eurisko, no, heh, though yes, it is my surname :P | 01:56 |
| araujo | raster, I see :) | 01:56 |
| lcuk | raster, eep. many days I have been in at odd times | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | araujo: any idea how to disable -debug packages? | 01:56 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, no | 01:56 |
| araujo | CosmoHill, disable ... at what level? | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | blast | 01:57 |
| lcuk | raster, your meeting, take plenty of fluids :P | 01:57 |
| raster | lcuk: sure, but i'd like some notice of such meetings.. rather than by luck finding out the night before only because i happened to be around late | 01:57 |
| CosmoHill | guess I'll have to write better .spec files | 01:57 |
| raster | :) | 01:57 |
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| CosmoHill | tbh if it compiles I'm happy, I have low standards | 01:58 |
| araujo | CosmoHill, .spec has an option for it I think | 01:59 |
| araujo | google it! | 02:00 |
| CosmoHill | I was gonna try and compile clamAV for meego | 02:00 |
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| wmarone | CosmoHill: not until we have quad core processors | 02:01 |
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| CosmoHill | fair does, took 45 mins on my powerbook | 02:01 |
| * lcuk cries at how long things take to compile | 02:02 | |
| CosmoHill | wait, you mean wmarone was being serious? | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:18 |
| lcuk | gnite CosmoHill \o | 02:18 |
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| ali1234 | how do i install the meego sdk... on meego... using the package management system? | 07:35 |
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| ali1234 | i installed qt-creator... that package lacks dependencies on gcc, make, qmake, dev libs... as a result it is completely none-functional after install | 07:36 |
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| timoph | zypper install pattern:development-tools | 07:40 |
| dm8tbr | ali1234: I think there are package groups that you can use | 07:41 |
| ali1234 | "no provider of 'pattern:development-tools' found - Nothing to do." | 07:41 |
| dm8tbr | and when using 1.2 I think it's meego-development-tools | 07:41 |
| timoph | hmmh | 07:41 |
| * dm8tbr ran into this before :) | 07:42 | |
| timoph | :) | 07:42 |
| ali1234 | "Problem: nothing provides perf needed by pattern:meego-development-tools-.noarch" | 07:42 |
| dm8tbr | :/ | 07:42 |
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| ali1234 | i'm about ready to give up | 07:43 |
| chris____ | does anyone know how to increase qt emulator space size? | 07:44 |
| ali1234 | 2 days to write a qt app, 2 months trying to package it :/ | 07:44 |
| chris____ | it currently has 3G, but its not enough for me | 07:44 |
| dm8tbr | ali1234: did you try on 1.1? | 07:45 |
| beford | nokia qt sdk packages the thing automagically for maemo | 07:45 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to package it for maemo | 07:45 |
| dm8tbr | 1.2 seems to go through a lot of changes recently and stuff breaks along the way | 07:46 |
| ali1234 | i didn't try 1.1 | 07:46 |
| ali1234 | i guess i can roll back | 07:46 |
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| ali1234 | and then fix the bootloader again | 07:46 |
| dm8tbr | the other option would be to get an build environment from OBS tailored to your package for local build | 07:47 |
| dm8tbr | was it 'osc build'? | 07:47 |
| ali1234 | i don't even understand what that means | 07:47 |
| ali1234 | i don't even have a package yet because autospectacle does not work unless you already have all the sdk installed | 07:47 |
| dm8tbr | hm ic | 07:48 |
| ali1234 | i have a qmake project and source code | 07:48 |
| ali1234 | it has no dependencies outside qt core | 07:48 |
| ali1234 | as a result it can be trivially compiled for any system | 07:48 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not the best person to discuss this with :) | 07:49 |
| ali1234 | but packaging it is just another matter entirely | 07:49 |
| dm8tbr | but you should get yourself an community obs account for when you have things aligned more. it helps a lot. | 07:49 |
| ali1234 | i have one | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | i'm trying to figure out how to put my source into it | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | i can't do that without writing a spec file | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea how to do that | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | and i don't particularly want to | 07:50 |
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| dm8tbr | mhyeah, if you don't have many dependencies you could just steal some example? | 07:50 |
| ali1234 | i could do if i knew where to find one | 07:51 |
| dm8tbr | and then use the local build option to figure out what breaks | 07:51 |
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| Bostik | hum, let's see if there's a simple one to start off with | 07:51 |
| ali1234 | can osc create a sdk chroot without feeding it a specific package to compile? | 07:51 |
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| Bostik | I remember it took me a day or two to get .specs written but I had to start from scratch with zero knowledge | 07:52 |
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| ali1234 | wow, autospectacle works even less on meego than it does on ubuntu, it feeds invalid options to tar! | 07:59 |
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| deaswang | what is the sync solution in the meego? | 08:06 |
| Bostik | argh.. can't find any simple example for .spec that uses qmake | 08:07 |
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| ali1234 | i can't get osc to work with the public OBS | 08:07 |
| ali1234 | it just says "401: unauthorized" | 08:07 |
| ali1234 | i fixed .oscrc with the correct urls | 08:07 |
| ali1234 | and i can log in using a browser | 08:07 |
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| ali1234 | where is the keyring editor? | 08:09 |
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| harris | hi there | 08:13 |
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| kevin1a | Hello, I ran a search on the forums, but didn't find an anwer. I'm sure someone has asked before, I'm just not using the right search terms. Can someone tell me how to mount a partition on an internal drive. I am running Meego off of a 30GB partition, but all of my data is on a 350GB partition shared with ubuntu (formatted to ext3 not ext4 because I heard Meego doesn't like that). | 09:54 |
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| thp | X-Fade, bergie: had a look at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7072 recently? :) | 10:12 |
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| bergie | thp: sure... there should be more updates next week | 10:31 |
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| thp | bergie: thanks :) looking forward to it | 10:34 |
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| zma | Is there a good guide available somewhere how to set up Internet connection from Windows host to Meego runtime on Qemu | 10:35 |
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| Fry-kun | hello | 11:07 |
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| Fry-kun | I'm interested in trying meego on my n900. which guide should I use? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | meego.com one | 11:08 |
| Fry-kun | there's http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC , http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | middle one is good | 11:08 |
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| Fry-kun | I definitely need to be able to keep using it as a phone | 11:08 |
| Fry-kun | so do I need the u-boot to be able to go to meego/original software? | 11:09 |
| Fry-kun | er, maemo.. | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | middle guide makes that too, just remember to use -l instead of -f in flasher command | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | as the guide tells you | 11:10 |
| Fry-kun | ah okay, sounds good | 11:10 |
| Fry-kun | and what should I prepare in case the install turns sour? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | charge your battery and have a wall charger | 11:11 |
| Fry-kun | check and check | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | and use -l, -not -f, :P | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | that loads the kernel one-time | 11:11 |
| Fry-kun | um, one of those guides mentioned that only usb charging is supported... should I be concerned? | 11:12 |
| Fry-kun | I usually use the wall charger | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well, usb charging is good to have too :P | 11:12 |
| Fry-kun | heh, thanks for encouragement :P | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Fry-kun: basically if you don't flash the kernel permanently, you can always get back to maemo with wall charger | 11:13 |
| Fry-kun | hm, so -l mode doesn't actually _flash_ but just loads it into ram? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:15 |
| Fry-kun | gotcha | 11:15 |
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| eurisko | the meego servers are in great need for some mirrors :X | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | eurisko: We're working on that. Kernel mirrors don't seem to be so fast. | 11:59 |
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| eurisko | for meego sdk what does it means being a supported OS ? | 12:50 |
| eurisko | i mean, the sdk might work on others but still no one reported back? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | 'qa'ed on' | 12:51 |
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| eurisko | ? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | means it was actually tested to work on there :) | 12:52 |
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| kevin1a | Is it possible to mount ext3 hard drive partitions using the GUI in Meego netbook? I know I can't do ext4 | 12:55 |
| eurisko | it's that i have it working on 64 bit OS | 12:56 |
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| eurisko | what is the diference between meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime and meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime ? | 13:54 |
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| eurisko | ahh thos eqt examples that show on the qemu handset with a nice interface | 14:51 |
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| eurisko | isn't other way to check them? | 14:51 |
| wazd | Heya all | 14:52 |
| eurisko | hi | 14:52 |
| lcuk | hi wazd | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd, how's stuff? | 14:54 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 14:55 |
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| wazd | Pretty much awesome, without mentioning those terrible events here | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: i did ponder if you were okay, then rst38h | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | wb | 14:58 |
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| wazd1 | Stskeeps: whatsup with meego themming btw? :) | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd1: don't know, actually - same as usual, but with the qml switchover strategy, who knows anymore | 15:07 |
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| wazd1 | Stskeeps: eheh :) | 15:08 |
| wazd1 | Stskeeps: anyway, if you need any help with it - just ask :) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | wazd1, theming. had quite an indepth chat with sabotage a week or so ago where he was explaining a bit about theming | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | wazd1, http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-01-18.log.html#t2011-01-18T19:28:15 | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | infact he mentioned that a maintainer to keep ontop of the themes would be a good thing :) | 15:10 |
| aliquis | Hi. All I want to know is 1) Has there ever been any decissions/discussions whatever Nokia will try to lock down the OS in any way of their phones (require jailbreak/rooting, signed firmwares, not have all the source code available for the phone / be able to build a new release (eventually with hacks and patches) and somehow join it with proprietary stuff into an OS image for the device. | 15:11 |
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| aliquis | (whatever that's an acceptable question in here I don't know :)) | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: that's a lot of questions in one | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: maemo 5 was 43% open source, rest is differentiation, so i don't expect that to change. vendors differentiate on top of meego.com platform. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: however, enabling some degree of freedom with ease seems to be in maemo5/n900 at least | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no signed kernel, etc - and in future ones DRM-less modes is possible | 15:12 |
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| wazd1 | Meego /= Nokia's OS | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: i wouldn't expect a 100% open source telephone from nokia :) | 15:13 |
| wazd1 | Just in case | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | and what wazd sai | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | d | 15:13 |
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| aliquis | Stskeeps: Yeah, rather sceptical about Q4 and Q1 and only wanted to get Nokia stocks in a time when things looked the darkest and I thought there would come some light in the shape of MeeGo. But I doubt MeeGo final and phones before summer so I'm very sceptical as far as market share and any devices to improve things goes for a short amount of time. As an old "nerd" personally I would obviously had prefered a device which | 15:14 |
| aliquis | was mine and which others could improve upon and such. But all companies seem to be against that. But I mean, if Nokia let it be completely open even if they screwed up things and released something not finish people would had improved upon it and fixed it. If it's closed and a complete mess because they are too afraid of the open-source monster and people deciding on what they should do with their own products just as App | 15:14 |
| aliquis | le and others then I think they will lose out even more. Something very open would give more nerds and nerdy developers and more tweaks and applications and in the end be beneficial to all users and hence Nokia ;D. But I may be wrong?! ;D | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | aliquis: yeah, you need to work on shorter sentences | 15:15 |
| aliquis | Stskeeps: ok, thanks :) | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | aliquis: if you want something fairly open, but not end-user, meego on n900 is quite open, we have very few redistributable blobs | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | but then again, no fancy stuff :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | so depends on if you want to make stuff yourself, or not | 15:16 |
| aliquis | Stskeeps: I would had been ok with 100% open-source stock code tree to patch againts and then some image building toolkit to throw in the propreitary stiff within an installable OS image. But I guess that's to wish for too much as well :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: i would be happy if it's possible to get a kickstart file for whatever nokia ships that's meego based eventually, but that might be too much to dream for | 15:16 |
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| aliquis | I just feel the timing for Nokia stocks is pretty shitty still since there is more to be lost :D, and yeah, I don't own a Nokia phone or an Android phone but I would only buy either if there where open enough for the end-user, which in Android camp only Nexus One and Nexus S is. As a Swede I see Sony-Ericssons early Android phones as complete failures with freaking Android 1.6 but when released and with no upgrades for lon | 15:19 |
| aliquis | g just because they want to tweak it. I'd rather have stock and the freshest there is with all new features even if it look like crap =P | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: go see videos of meego, and see what is actually open source :P | 15:19 |
| wazd1 | Aliquis, so, you're using openmoko right now? | 15:20 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, Ping? | 15:21 |
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| aliquis | too much work, and I've seen some videos :). wazdl: My latest phones are the Sony-Ericsson z300i and Motorola W220, go figure ;D. I don't want to buy an expensive smartphone just to have to buy a new one every once in a while because the manufacturer suck. As long as the hardware is capable I want to be able to update the software and replace it once it lacks functionallity, speed, batterylife or get broken =P | 15:21 |
| dneary | Jaffa, I was thinking if you wanted to do a MeeGo weekly news, you could call it the "We go meekly" :) | 15:21 |
| wazd1 | Aliquis, man, give it up :D | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | aliquis: perfect phones doesn't exist, only those you have to make significant effort on yourselves over time :) | 15:22 |
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| aliquis | wazdl: It's not like I "need" a smartphone anyway. If they want to sell one to me it's better be something I want to own =P. But I guess the Apple zombies are way to tempting. | 15:24 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, What do you think of "we go meekly"? I think it's cute :) | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: sounds funny ;) | 15:25 |
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| aliquis | Stskeeps: Is N900 open enough with Maemo5/MeeGo for you to change some things in the OS and then use it on the phone or are you fucked then? Like for instance even if it's 50+% closed does that mean you can't change shit in the "firmware" (rather OS installation) and you can only get some source code which you'll never be able to compile and run on the phone to look at some things or make your own product. Or can you for i | 15:29 |
| aliquis | ntancce change something in I-don't-know, say the menusystem code, build it and replace the menu-system files in the OS insatallation you already have, reboot the phone and voila? | 15:29 |
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| dm8tbr | aliquis: by looking at what is being done I'd say open enough | 15:34 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: Pong. Heh :-) | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | dneary: I'm thinking of renaming "Maemo Weekly News" (to what I don't know). However, I love the idea of "We go meekly" as a tagline :-) | 15:45 |
| dneary | Slightly derogetary, but also self-effacing in a way I like. | 15:46 |
| dneary | derogetory | 15:46 |
| dneary | Whatever | 15:46 |
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| berndhs | Jaffa: I would make it "we won't go meegly" | 15:48 |
| berndhs | or maybe better "meekly" :) | 15:48 |
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| dneary | derogatory | 15:57 |
| dneary | Better | 15:57 |
| dneary | That was bugging me | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: Name thoughts: mwkn.net and MWKN stay the usual forms. a) "Just" 'MWKN'; b) "MeeGo Weekly News"; c) "MaeGo Weekly News" [transitional]; d) "M* Weekly News"; e) ...? | 16:08 |
| dneary | Jaffa, MeeGo Weekly News | 16:09 |
| lcuk | M* weekly news will bring the Windows crowd :P | 16:09 |
| dneary | It's renaming to reflect reality anyway, rather than suggesting a radical new editorial direction. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | since they will be looking for Microsoft news | 16:09 |
| dneary | M.\{3\}o Weekly News? maybe? | 16:10 |
| dneary | Or M.e.o Weekly News? | 16:10 |
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| Jaffa | Or just "Meo Wekly News". Sponsored by cats | 16:11 |
| lcuk | MWKN Weekly News | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Heh :-) | 16:11 |
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| makulkar | Hi, where is the syslog placed in meego? | 16:48 |
| andre__ | makulkar, not /var/log/ ? | 16:49 |
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| makulkar | andre__, couldn't find my apps qdebugs on console so some one suggested to look at "syslog". Can't find my logs though in /var/log/ | 16:51 |
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| thiago | makulkar: check /etc/syslog.conf to see where it would be saving stuff to | 17:08 |
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| makulkar | thiago, there is no /etc/syslog.conf, i have only sysinfod.conf | 17:09 |
| thiago | sounds like syslogd isn't installed | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | om nom nom http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/01/25/nokia-phones-delicious/?sf1001626=1 | 17:29 |
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| r4co0n | Hey guys. How to tell Meego it is to use Firefox in the Internet Tab? It doesnt seem to care about standard browsers and having chromium uninstalled does nothing... | 17:30 |
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| thiago | lcuk: lol | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morn qgil | 17:57 |
| qgil | hi there Stskeeps | 17:57 |
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| qgil | MeeGo vs Walter MeeGo was confusing geek music lovers already, and now I discover there is Chromeo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromeo | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:04 |
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| solarion | is there an eta on the meego garage? | 18:11 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk:there is a line in my insurance policy specifically stating that I cannot drive my car on the Nurburgring O.o | 18:45 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, do they list other race courses, or are those fair game? :D | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | no | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | "used on the Nurburgring Nordschleife, or for racing, pace-making, competitions, rallies, track days, trials or speed tests either | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | on a road, track, or at an off-road | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | 4x4 event" | 18:46 |
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| lcuk | cool, so spending time in carparks playing gymkhana is in your future | 18:49 |
| CosmoHill | it's amazing what you can do with a bin lid and a tow rope | 18:49 |
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| DawnFoster | Our first events IRC meeting is starting in about 5 minutes in meego-meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 18:58 |
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| r4co0n | Hey. Ive now managed to get Firefox working well with the MeeGo internet tab by sym-linking chromium to it. Thats not elegant, but it works. The only problem I got now is ff being too polite, meaning asking for attention all the time instead of just popping up. This worked in old MeeGo, didnt it? Can someone point out how to get the desired behaviour? | 19:02 |
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| dneary | Hi | 19:08 |
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| dneary | MeeGo events IRC meeting has just started, if anyone here is interested in joining | 19:08 |
| dneary | Specifically, we'll be talking about early organising for the MeeGo autumn conference in Europe, and the current state of the organisation for the Spring conference in San Francisco | 19:09 |
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| aliquis | Jaffa: Yeah, meow news letter work, (MEego Operating-system Weekly). Meow Purtty - Meego Operating-system Weekly Professional Urget Text and Testing.. uhm.. Yoghurt. Meow tin can = MEego Operating-system Weekly Testing, insight, news, curiousity and naughtiness news letter? *goes back hiding in the corner* | 19:27 |
| aliquis | cosmo: What about trying to drive on water? | 19:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm assuming you're not talking about puddles, cos you now, he's a nice dog | 19:29 |
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| rbelem | Stskeeps, do you know where i find the latest rpm for sensorfw? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:30 |
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| smoku | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTVkjHS9Fk :) | 19:31 |
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| rbelem | Stskeeps, the latest is 0.6.36 and there is only 0.6.32 in repo.meego.com :-( | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: there might be legal reasons to not include town emblems in logos, at least as i recall it in .dk | 19:35 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: yes, I Was giving an examples | 19:37 |
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| alterego | vgrade1 ping | 19:41 |
| alterego | vgrade1: Ah, nvm :) | 19:42 |
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| makulkar | alterego, http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt-components/2010-September/000060.html | 19:48 |
| makulkar | alterego, seems like with logs on meego this was the issue | 19:48 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I noticed the reply in here lastnight | 19:48 |
| alterego | makulkar: so you got everything working alright then? | 19:49 |
| makulkar | alterego, im trying by installing my own handler now | 19:49 |
| alterego | makulkar: You understand that what you're using is a little more meego than maemo at the moment ;) | 19:49 |
| makulkar | alterego, i do now :) | 19:49 |
| alterego | At least from application level | 19:50 |
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| alterego | makulkar: if you have other questions about Qt and/or Qt Quick I'm usually around to help :) | 19:54 |
| aliquis | rpm? You've ditched deb? :/ | 19:56 |
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| alterego | aliquis: not really, rpm is from moblin | 19:57 |
| alterego | aliquis: most packaging and build infrastructure is from that camp aswell. | 19:57 |
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| wmarone | rpm is also part of the LSB, which meego is adhering too, IIRC | 19:58 |
| wmarone | all part of being part of the Linux Foundation | 19:59 |
| alterego | lsb says rpm? | 19:59 |
| alterego | awful :D | 19:59 |
| alterego | .tar.gz sure, but .rpm? | 19:59 |
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| berndhs | yay lets have another .dev vs .rpm debate :P | 19:59 |
| aliquis | everything should be 50000000 byte numbered rar archives ;/ | 20:00 |
| aliquis | will someone please keep up with the standards!? ;D | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | I hate people who slip torrents up into .rar files, I mean wtf | 20:00 |
| aliquis | CosmoHill: Better be consequent and ignore any files coming from the scene then ;) | 20:01 |
| aliquis | doubt much legal content comes in the shape of 50 MB rars anyway ;D | 20:01 |
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| aliquis | berndhs: everyone know pkgsrc is the only way to go ;/ | 20:03 |
| berndhs | ah no, compiling is for the weak | 20:03 |
| berndhs | hand assemble everything, the only way to go for serious people | 20:03 |
| aliquis | --funroll-loops website is offline :( | 20:03 |
| aliquis | must -O3 compile everything in Gentoo because it's like totally better that way, like 250% speed increase. | 20:04 |
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| alterego | CosmoHill: I just don't like it when people compress compressed media .. | 20:04 |
| alterego | Is a couple of megs really worth rar archiving something? | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | you mean transcoder is into a further compressed state | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | ah that | 20:05 |
| alterego | Like an .avi file or something | 20:05 |
| aliquis | alterego: you rar archive the files to be able to run a file integrity check of all the files and then just have to resend 50 MB if the transfer failed | 20:06 |
| CosmoHill | .avi.xz | 20:06 |
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| aliquis | vs checking a file on hundres of megabytes of gigabytes and have to retransfer all | 20:06 |
| alterego | aliquis: oh, I guess that makes a little sense. | 20:06 |
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| aliquis | also eventually they race the files in parts vs whole archive | 20:06 |
| aliquis | so when you race a new release you just compete with 50 MB | 20:06 |
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| aliquis | so if someone else comes first it gets cancelled and you go on | 20:07 |
| aliquis | instead of maybe having sent 600 MB and then someone else finish first | 20:07 |
| aliquis | 550 MB wasted | 20:07 |
| aliquis | or rather, 550 MB more wasted | 20:07 |
| alterego | bbl | 20:08 |
| mwichmann | why are we talking about using a proprietary format? | 20:08 |
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| aliquis | (and rar simply because it's the standard and I guess people may want to store labels, nfo and such in the archives anyway so not just one file in either case. Guess you could rar with no compression if it's media.) | 20:09 |
| lardman | could someone with a Meego system up and running tell me which package /sbin/init comes from please? | 20:09 |
| aliquis | mwichmann: it was just bullshit, sorry | 20:09 |
| mwichmann | ok | 20:09 |
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| auke | lardman: sysvinit | 20:14 |
| lardman | thanks auke | 20:14 |
| auke | lardman: why are you asking? | 20:14 |
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| lardman | I want to find the source, so I can see if there's something that init needs that is preventing my switch_root on the Galaxy Tab | 20:15 |
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| auke | why do you need to switch_root? | 20:16 |
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| lardman | the Tab boots from an initramfs | 20:16 |
| lardman | I've not got round to replacing the bootloader yet | 20:16 |
| lardman | that will be some more work | 20:16 |
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| qgil | sivang: about developer.meego.com process any feedback is welcome at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6340 (reading the wiki proposal first would be nice, though) ;) | 20:17 |
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| Texrat | dudes | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | texratty | 20:20 |
| lardman | Mr Texrat? | 20:20 |
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| lardman | auke: cool, I've extracted the source, time to do some poking around | 20:21 |
| Texrat | no need for Texrat, Lardman, just call me Mister :P | 20:21 |
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| lardman | You can call me Doctor ;) | 20:22 |
| Texrat | hey Stskeeps | 20:22 |
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| Texrat | lol lardman | 20:22 |
| Texrat | damn... one-upped... | 20:22 |
| lardman | or lardman, that works too :) | 20:22 |
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| makulkar | alterego, got everything workning with logs! thanks a lot for ur help! :) | 20:51 |
| alterego | makulkar: no problem, any time. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: so how's life? | 20:51 |
| alterego | Happy hacking ^.^ | 20:51 |
| Texrat | Stskeeps, life will be great if I get the job I'm hoping for :D | 20:52 |
| Texrat | expecting a call for interview... | 20:52 |
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| Texrat | with Nokia Siemens Networks | 20:52 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Good luck Texrat. We all know about your hard work for MeeGo. | 21:04 |
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| Texrat | thanks Alison_Chaiken! I'll continue plugging for MeeGo | 21:05 |
| Texrat | workign on a whole series of marketing presentations | 21:05 |
| barroca | is there any kallsysms for MeeGo? | 21:05 |
| barroca | i'm debugging some problems with suspend/resume and i need a kernel debugger tool. | 21:06 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Texrat, I was hacking on MeeGo a bit before I worked for Nokia, and I'm sure I will be afterward too . . . | 21:06 |
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| sivang | qgil: I felt unease commenting at the bug report itself before reading the wiki proposal, hence post to the ML :) | 21:06 |
| sivang | Texrat: oh nice, in the states? | 21:07 |
| Texrat | sivang, as a matter of fact, the NSN office is right by where I last worked for nokia | 21:08 |
| Texrat | I can't relocate, sooo... | 21:09 |
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| Texrat | anyway recruiter said the hiring manager is going over my application today | 21:09 |
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| sivang | Texrat: ah, nice | 21:11 |
| Texrat | I'm going crazy from anticipation...lol | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: not as crazy as the n9 rumouring people on tmo, hopefully | 21:11 |
| Texrat | lol | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm awaiting when they claim it comes with a time machine, lasers and a chocolate bar | 21:12 |
| Texrat | so much signal moved o MeeGo that maemo.org suffers much more noise | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 21:12 |
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| * ShadowJK considers starting laser rumour | 21:15 | |
| Texrat | laser rumor already started last year :P | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | Texrat, btw how did it go with your usb port && nokia care survey thing? | 21:18 |
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| Texrat | ShadowJK my report got sidetracked but I hope to finish it soon | 21:19 |
| * lardman wishes Mister (Texrat) luck :) | 21:19 | |
| Texrat | new reports flooded in just as I thought it ws winding down | 21:19 |
| Texrat | thanks lardman | 21:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I didn't break usb port on my first, but either cellmo desoldered itself or the sim card holder did. Seen other people with same issue too on tmo :) | 21:20 |
| Texrat | sim and ram holders are flimsy | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | On asking nokia support whether I could get an envelop or something since they closed repair places nearby me (now at 150km away), I got a 7 line reply which said "Yes". However, I still have no clue even about the shipping address :D | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i guess they assume any legit finn would know the addy of nokia central repair? ;p | 21:23 |
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| sivang | so much text... | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, well yeah but atleast in the past they threw away or sent back stuff without action if you just sent it in yourself.. | 21:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Or so the forums say | 21:24 |
| * sivang hope the n9 would be announced in a meego conf or a dev related conf, rather than MWC, although MWC is probably the right place to do so. | 21:25 | |
| ShadowJK | I thought the reply was so fantastic though, to be fair it accurately answered my question.. :P | 21:25 |
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| phl0x81 | hi | 21:28 |
| phl0x81 | got some windows sdk questions. | 21:29 |
| phl0x81 | how to install qemu correctly in a normal user account without adminrights? | 21:29 |
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| thiago_home | sivang: who cares about announcing? just give us the device! :-) | 21:33 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: ? :) | 21:34 |
| sivang | thiago_home: hehe, ah right! | 21:34 |
| sivang | yes! | 21:34 |
| sivang | thiago_home: and better be itin MWC, such that I can request it if I get selected for a second term for a Champion :) | 21:34 |
| berndhs | thiago_home: yeah, give me a couple and i'll promise to keep it quiet | 21:34 |
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| sivang | is amy online? | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | possibly still in meeting room | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't count on answers but yeah.. | 21:46 |
| auke | I see Amy sitting at her desk | 21:46 |
| auke | not sure if we're talking about the same Amy :) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | irc over nerf projectile. | 21:47 |
| sivang | auke: the one who came to look for the happy campers on the unconf day :) | 21:49 |
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| Texrat | lcuk = silly | 21:54 |
| Texrat | gotta go, later all | 21:55 |
| CosmoHill | cyas Texrat | 21:55 |
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| Mousey | there's people in here!! | 22:54 |
| wmarone | usually are | 22:54 |
| Mousey | i donno why i'm surprised | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | they turn into mosters when things aren't going well | 22:54 |
| Mousey | are there any meego devices yet? i'm compelled to skip maemo | 22:55 |
| Mousey | =( | 22:55 |
| wmarone | not yet | 22:57 |
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| Mousey | oh | 22:57 |
| * Mousey waits | 22:57 | |
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| lcuk | Mousey, how can you skip maemo, didn't you used to have an n810? | 22:58 |
| Mousey | yes! | 22:58 |
| lcuk | hola btw \o | 22:58 |
| Mousey | then they stopped making it =( | 22:58 |
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| Mousey | hi lcuk | 22:58 |
| Mousey | and i LOST MINE at SEA | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i was poking around with mine a couple of weeks ago | 22:59 |
| lcuk | :O holy carp | 22:59 |
| lcuk | how | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | eww, fish | 22:59 |
| Mousey | cruise ship hax0rs | 22:59 |
| alterego | lcuk: I was poking around with the remaining parts of mine last friday | 22:59 |
| lcuk | Mousey, ? Nokia in a bottle? | 22:59 |
| alterego | My N900 wouldn't charge so I used it to add a bit of charge to the battery | 22:59 |
| Mousey | lcuk: i wait by the sea in hopes, but no luck | 22:59 |
| Mousey | plus the n900 is a PHONE, and i didn't want a phone =( | 23:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 23:00 |
| alterego | I lke how that sentence started and ended with l c u & k | 23:00 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:00 |
| lcuk | Mousey, phones are good, you hear interesting people on them | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | I just get texts asking were I am | 23:01 |
| * lcuk spoke to a number of those today | 23:01 | |
| alterego | Or not so interesting, if you have mine :) | 23:01 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, publish your location, save them the hassle of asking | 23:01 |
| Mousey | lcuk: yes, but i already have a phone! | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | they'd just see a dot on a map wizzing towards them | 23:01 |
| alterego | lcuk: are you working on anything nice for this years meego conf? :) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | Mousey, so did your n810 actually fall overboard? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | alterego, which conf? | 23:02 |
| Mousey | lcuk: yes, it was shameful, i cried | 23:02 |
| lcuk | Mousey, eep | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | aww | 23:02 |
| alterego | lcuk: any :) I missed the N900 push thing with you nice app | 23:02 |
| Mousey | i miss the 4 rows of keys =( | 23:03 |
| lcuk | i have barely touched any liqbase code now in a long time | 23:03 |
| lcuk | just tweaking and nibbling at it | 23:03 |
| Mousey | does minecraft run in maemo yet? | 23:03 |
| alterego | :( | 23:03 |
| Mousey | is there a proper jvm? | 23:03 |
| Mousey | i haven't kept up =( | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | alterego, I did recently run original liqbase on my ideapad | 23:03 |
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| alterego | cool | 23:03 |
| Mousey | aw! i miss liqbase! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | made me smile at all the bits I needed in the lib :) | 23:04 |
| alterego | I played with qt components yesterday, very nice, though a bit slow and jerky | 23:04 |
| lcuk | on which device alterego ? | 23:04 |
| alterego | N900 Maemo | 23:04 |
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| berndhs | alterego: is that in any brepos or did you build it yourself ? | 23:04 |
| alterego | berndhs: it's in the maemo-devel repo, no meego builds yet :( | 23:05 |
| barroca | Hello, where do i get access to the latest MeeGo kernel git? | 23:05 |
| berndhs | ah that's why I haven't found it :) | 23:05 |
| alterego | berndhs: I spent an hour trying to build it but it's a bit broken | 23:05 |
| alterego | (for meego arm) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | barroca: there's none really :) take a upstream kernel | 23:05 |
| berndhs | i can build parts of it, but i'm always missing soem dependencies | 23:06 |
| sivang | qgil: comment added. more long text :) | 23:06 |
| lcuk | alterego, qt is coming on leaps and bounds! | 23:06 |
| alterego | lcuk: I know, I do love working on it. | 23:06 |
| alterego | If only I could get a job doing it ;) | 23:07 |
| sivang | now back to making QNAM a bit better :) | 23:07 |
| barroca | Stskeeps: hum... i need to know if a patch have been applied: mac80211: fix use-after-free | 23:07 |
| barroca | 23:07 | |
| alterego | lcuk: You probably heard about what happened with Collabora? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | barroca: well, any specific hardware adaptation | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | alterego, use the CBG meeting to help tune your interview/pitch technique | 23:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:08 |
| lcuk | you never know when you might need to whip out your device and show people what you made it do | 23:08 |
| alterego | "Hey look, I turned my N900 into a paper weight!" | 23:08 |
| lcuk | but it knows exactly where it is | 23:08 |
| sivang | heh | 23:08 |
| lcuk | and which direction its pointing | 23:08 |
| barroca | Stskeeps: suspending on my netbook raises a call trace that, for my investigations, is fixed by this patch | 23:09 |
| alterego | Hah, only when it's moving | 23:09 |
| berndhs | lcuk: so you can use it to turn your paper map towards north ? | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | barroca: ok, then look for kernel-adaptation-pinetrai | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | l | 23:09 |
| lcuk | alterego, point being, make the most of meeting people in Cambridge in a couple of weeks | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | barroca: and the src rpm of that | 23:09 |
| barroca | stskeeps: thanks. | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | should i stay or should i go.. | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:20 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: How many network cards are you using? | 23:26 |
| lbt | mmm overall ? | 23:27 |
| fiferboy | No, that you are switching between | 23:27 |
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