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| Lopi | will meego run without hardware acceleration? | 04:22 |
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| Venemo | Lopi: it does, but with not so good performance AFAIK | 04:32 |
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| Lopi | Venemo: okay thanks, I was thinking of porting it to my device. I tested the n8x0 image, but it will only boot in run level 3. | 04:34 |
| Venemo | Lopi: by "my device", you mean...? | 04:38 |
| Lopi | Venemo: iPhone3G, you can find more information at www.idroidproject.org and www.projectix.org | 04:41 |
| Venemo | Lopi: heh. I thought it has a graphics chip | 04:42 |
| Lopi | Venemo: it does, but all we have is framebuffer atm | 04:42 |
| Venemo | okay | 04:43 |
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| Venemo | Lopi: why such a closed down device? | 04:45 |
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| Lopi | Venemo: it's the only arm device I own | 04:46 |
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| wassupnari | can i run "gconftool" on meego? | 07:37 |
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| beford | gconftool-2 wassupnari | 07:54 |
| beford | you can install gconf-editor too, at least on the netbook ux | 07:54 |
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| wassupnari | beford : thanks for your comment | 08:34 |
| wassupnari | beford : you mean, gconf-editor doesn't work on handset device? | 08:35 |
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| mkaran | Hi | 09:13 |
| mkaran | when I am trying build package /gst-plugins-base, I am getting the error: error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 09:14 |
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| mkaran | Pls let me know the solution | 09:14 |
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| Bostik | the .spec file references (actually: creates a reference automatically to) a file and your source tarball is probably named wrong; /home/abuild looks like an OBS worker environment so you have uploaded some tarball | 09:19 |
| Bostik | so check your spec and the tarball name, they are out of synch | 09:19 |
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| Sage | rpm -qf /boot/extlinux ; anyone with intel meego installation running could show what that returns? | 09:52 |
| odin_ | MeeGo 1.1 + updates: syslinux-extlinux-4.00-1.5.i586 | 09:58 |
| Sage | thx | 09:59 |
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| nze | hi, i'm trying to use the rescue initrd as described on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 11:20 |
| nze | I get the n900 to boot into the rescue system, but then i'm a bit lost | 11:20 |
| nze | the keyboard seems to be in qwerty mode, but i can't figure out how to type anything other than [a-zA-Z], especially no dashes or slashes, so i dont see how i'd go about mounting the root partition.. | 11:20 |
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| toninikkanen | a serial console would help there :) | 11:24 |
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| nze | :\ | 11:25 |
| nze | i just need to access the rootfs.. | 11:25 |
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| nze | okay, screw it, i'll just install meego. | 11:37 |
| nze | is there a way to do this without overwriting the maemo system? | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | Moo, raster, btw, is it possible to use E as a complete mobile desktop right now? | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | (on devices that can boot Meego core, but lack 3D drivers to run UI) | 12:41 |
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| raster | RST38h: umm e as in the wm? | 12:42 |
| raster | well in a very primitive way | 12:42 |
| raster | it hasnt really had any work done on getting zas nice gui | 12:42 |
| raster | there are nice guis using e and efl | 12:42 |
| raster | but all behind doors atm | 12:42 |
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| raster | it also does full hw accel too (gl-es2 both compositor and apps rendering) | 12:44 |
| lardman | ptl: sorry about the slow response, not yet, am still trying to get around the wonders of the bootloader | 12:44 |
| raster | but no - havent done any work on a gui within e itself atm | 12:44 |
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| raster | its kind of been ignored in favor of a lot of lib and infra work | 12:45 |
| raster | and now also being sidelined to make better tools too | 12:45 |
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| hena | raster: making new conquests? :) | 12:47 |
| raster | hena: which kind of conquests? :) | 12:47 |
| hena | I already started making packages for meego... | 12:47 |
| hena | just formyself tho | 12:48 |
| raster | i havend found that i need to :) | 12:48 |
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| nazgee | auke: I've PM'ed you in other window, have a look at it please ;] | 12:48 |
| raster | others happily do that for me | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: doubt he's awake :) | 12:49 |
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| hena | it's just that the whole gui is a mess in meego, and having efl there also makes things even more complicated | 12:49 |
| hena | with a mess i mean a hassle between gtk and qt | 12:50 |
| raster | hmm | 12:50 |
| raster | well here efl is the core gui | 12:50 |
| raster | so i'm happy | 12:50 |
| raster | :) | 12:50 |
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| hena | hehe | 12:51 |
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| hena | how's work with ubuntu? | 12:53 |
| raster | ubuntu? | 12:53 |
| hena | i remember reading something about ubuntu and efl cooperation | 12:54 |
| raster | dunno about that stuff | 12:54 |
| raster | i'm busy with other co-operation | 12:54 |
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| hena | oh, ok | 12:54 |
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| raster | i'm here mostly because i keep hearing that meego has something coming for phones.. but it seems a long way from production-ready. just curious what will come out :) | 12:58 |
| hena | it will be a heavy qt coop with symbian and meego | 13:00 |
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| hena | but it seems nice for the core, haven't seen much windows on my own n900 yet ;) | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | raster: Got it. So, the libs and the wm are there, but not the application suite? | 13:01 |
| raster | RST38h: well not in the public yet - no | 13:02 |
| raster | and app suite happesn to include home/menu/launcher screen | 13:02 |
| raster | indicator bar, taskmanager, blah blahb lahblahblah | 13:02 |
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| tcs-meego | with Meego release 1.1.80, to include xinerama, i source-installed xorg-x11-server, make installed it.. is there anything else i need to do? | 13:04 |
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| RST38h | raster: So [returning to the topic], you do have E-specific desktop, launcher, indicators, etc somewhere? | 13:52 |
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| raster | RST38h: yes. not public :) | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | raster: How badly not public? =) In case some members of the public decide to use it on top of some Linux to get a complete environment...? | 14:08 |
| raster | as in sitting behind firewalls and a lot of well funded legal dept | 14:10 |
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| RST38h | raster: Ah. Very not public then. | 14:11 |
| eurisko | does someone haves a archos 101 ? | 14:11 |
| dm8tbr | eurisko: yes | 14:12 |
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| eurisko | dm8tbr, can you explain if the device is really free to boot whatever i want to? | 14:12 |
| dm8tbr | eurisko: yes it is, you can easily boot any linux kernel + initramfs. If you are insane enough probably other OSs too. | 14:13 |
| raster | RST38h: yes | 14:13 |
| raster | :) | 14:13 |
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| eurisko | oh god! yes! | 14:13 |
| dm8tbr | eurisko: discussion for archos devices + OSS happens on #openaos - JFTR. | 14:13 |
| eurisko | thanks! | 14:14 |
| dm8tbr | btw: the 101 is generation 8. so keep that in mind if you run into mentions of gen6 and gen7 hardware. ;) | 14:15 |
| dm8tbr | e.g. smoku's images currently are for gen7 only. I'm trying to squeeze out time to get gen8 working but constantly fail to do so. | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | raster: Are the owners of this gem going to make it available to the public at some point? | 14:16 |
| raster | i would hope so :) | 14:17 |
| raster | otherwise i'm wasting my time here :) | 14:17 |
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| r4co0n1 | Hey folks. I started out with MeeGo yesterday and since I got almost all netbooks of my family around for maintenance I decided to install it on them all. My dad owns a HP Compaq Mini 110, this comes without Bluetooth. Is there a way to disable the Bluetooth panel entry for him, I suspect him telling me in a few days his Bluetooth is not working... | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | r4co0n1, you can modify the buttons shown at the top, not sure about specific bt one though (just because i have not noticed it) | 14:34 |
| lcuk | awesome bunch of patches to connman ML this morning, ipv6 and a load of other stuff | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | cool to see | 14:34 |
| dm8tbr | ipv6? \o/ | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: url? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | nm, i can find it myself.. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | oh, nokia made, nice | 14:36 |
| lcuk | http://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2011-January/thread.html | 14:36 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, heh yes indeed. on the normal flow of things, I gather patches submitted upstream like this are reviewed and tested, then connman itself gets a release and we integrate into core after our own testing? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:42 |
| lcuk | just an in general question about how we get those patches into meego | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | it happens regularly | 14:44 |
| lcuk | .nod. | 14:45 |
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| tybollt | what's this buzz about a semi-pad running meego? | 14:47 |
| dm8tbr | what's a semi-pad? | 14:51 |
| tybollt | larger than phone | 14:51 |
| tybollt | lesser than a pad | 14:51 |
| tybollt | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/is-this-nokias-tablet-shaped-meego-device/ | 14:52 |
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| Mat_Matan | it's true Nokia MeeGo tablet or fake? http://komorkomania.pl/2011/01/24/tablet-nokii-z-meego-na-zdjeciach | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Mat_Matan: we're dealing with meego.com here, this isn't nokia product development department :) | 15:07 |
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| slavik1 | Stskeeps: can you direct me to them? :) | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | slavik1: nokia.com? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:10 |
| slavik1 | :( | 15:10 |
| sandst1 | Mat_Matan: Isn't than a Nokia N900?:P | 15:14 |
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| Mat_Matan | sandst1: i think not | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | Mat_Matan: The second is definitely an N900; you can tell from the bezel and the "N900" logo in the top-right. | 15:15 |
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| Jaffa | Mat_Matan: The one at the top is not an N900. Anyone who knows what it is won't say; so you won't get any form of accurate information | 15:16 |
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| Mat_Matan | but what is that in first picture | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | Mat_Matan: The one at the top is not an N900. Anyone who knows what it is won't say; so you won't get any form of accurate information | 15:21 |
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| Venemo | very interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=927287#post927287 | 15:27 |
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| tcs-meego | u'd be happy to know that with meego 1.1.80 and nvidia's 270.18 module, X seems to work BUT it keeps complaining that it cant find evdev and hence my mouse and keyboard are not working | 16:03 |
| tcs-meego | is there something i am missing | 16:03 |
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| tcs-meego | does anyone know how to build xf86-input-evdev-2.4.99.901.. this is xorg-x11-drv-evdev source | 16:18 |
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| alons | I'm starting to learn GTK | 16:20 |
| alons | This toolkit is supported by Meego Handset? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably better to learn qt + qml instead | 16:22 |
| Venemo | alons: not really, at least not yet | 16:22 |
| Venemo | alons: learn Qt and C++ | 16:22 |
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| alons | y python + qt ? | 16:23 |
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| tcs-meego | YAY !!! We finally did it!!.. we have the latest build of meego working for Nvidia ION graphics card with output in full HD via HDMI | 16:40 |
| Venemo | tcs-meego: very nice :) | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | tcs-meego: congratulations :) | 16:40 |
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| tcs-meego | thansk all :) | 16:41 |
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| mwichmann | Couldn't resolve host 'download.meego.com' ... Eh??? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: WORKSFORME | 16:45 |
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| mwichmann | odd | 16:46 |
| mwichmann | ping: unknown host download.meego.com | 16:46 |
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| mwichmann | (from different machine) | 16:46 |
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| sx0n | tcs-meego, Aaaaawwwesome! | 16:49 |
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| eurisko | the meego sdk althought its not supported on ubuntu 64 bit does it work? | 16:51 |
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| tcs-meego | sx0n: thanks.. if i knew better .. i think i would have suffered less | 16:53 |
| tcs-meego | it really isnt that hard now that its done | 16:54 |
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| r4co0n1 | eurisko: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#On_Ubuntu_or_Debian | 16:55 |
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| r4co0n1 | eurisko: don't know if this works for 64bit, assume so, gonna let u try :) | 16:56 |
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| r4co0n1 | eurisko: it would be nice if u added your experience, whether failure or success, to the wiki... | 16:57 |
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| eurisko | i am already installing using that guide | 16:57 |
| eurisko | i just asked because it said not supported | 16:57 |
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| r4co0n | where? didnt find any occurence of string "64" on that site. | 16:58 |
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| r4co0n | eurisko: There is always some ugly hack for getting 32bit-software to run on amd64, dunno if I would want that for a SDK though... | 17:00 |
| eurisko | using the 32 bit guide | 17:00 |
| eurisko | i mean | 17:00 |
| eurisko | normally 32 software runs on amd 64 | 17:00 |
| r4co0n | I wanted to say, if it doesnt, u can make it work | 17:01 |
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| eurisko | depends on the knowledge of "me" ehehe i might not be so capable :D | 17:02 |
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| smoku | RST38h, if you are interested in nice non-3d-requiring UI see netbootlauncher-efl. ubuntu for hd2 uses it | 17:11 |
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| smoku | RST38h, there is also unity-2d. the ubuntu unity rewritten in Qt/QML | 17:11 |
| RST38h | smoku: Aha | 17:12 |
| RST38h | smoku: Looking =) | 17:13 |
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| RST38h | Unity-2D looks realistic. Can't find much on the netboot-efl thingie | 17:15 |
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| smoku | RST38h, http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ | 17:16 |
| RST38h | smoku: yooo, have to show this to javispedro | 17:17 |
| alons | python + QT, is supported by Meego Handset? | 17:18 |
| smoku | alons, yes | 17:18 |
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| alons | OK, that is, if I develop an application with Python + QT, I can distribute through Ovi Store? | 17:21 |
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| r4co0n | alons: https://p.d.ovi.com/p/g/ovistore_static/docs/Publisher_Guide.pdf Read through this, as I remember you have to pay (at least) a one time fee, small, like 5 Dollars, to become an ovi store publisher... | 17:26 |
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| alons | OK | 17:38 |
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| r4co0n | alons: MeeGo SDK working? | 17:41 |
| alons | Not, pyside | 17:43 |
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| qgil | Hi, created a bug to follow the Apps catalog development status | 17:50 |
| qgil | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12805 | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 17:50 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Is this intended to be a meta bug? | 17:52 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: why not | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Just wondering what it should be used for :) | 17:53 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: I have been asking tekojo lbt bergie and you to have status report bugs connected to documentation wiki pages - I have ended up creating them one by one :) | 17:54 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, just wondered if creating smaller tasks/bugs would be easier to track. | 17:55 |
| qgil | X-Fade: it would be great if dependent tasks and bugs related to the Apps catalog would be connected to that one | 17:55 |
| bergie | qgil: I'll be able to focus on MeeGo stuff from next week onwards | 17:55 |
| bergie | (we'll have a couple of days hacking session with X-Fade in Netherlands) | 17:55 |
| qgil | X-Fade: but considering how difficult seems to be getting just basic reporting I don't dare asking for more detailed reports - they are all welcome though! | 17:56 |
| qgil | bergie: I fear you have too many tasks in your basket alone? | 17:56 |
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| qgil | X-Fade bergie are you aware of http://blog.karlitschek.de/2011/01/2-amazing-meetings-to-change-world.html ? They seem to be doing something similar to the Apps catalog on top of OBS | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, as I told Dawn too. We have been lacking time to communicate. Things have been really busy lately. | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | qgil: For us to bring up this service, we basically needed to setup all IT infra first. Which was a lot of work. | 17:59 |
| qgil | X-Fade: maybe if you would use bugs-meego.com to communicate among yourselves you could save time communciating to others? | 17:59 |
| bergie | qgil: standardizing app catalogs on OCS&OBS makes a lot of sense | 17:59 |
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| millenomi | and now, for something completely different | 18:01 |
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| millenomi | QUESTION: | 18:01 |
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| millenomi | I have a very small Windows partition and can't install Linux for $VERY_VALID_REASONS; where will the mad-admin commands install the targets? | 18:02 |
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| millenomi | in particular, if I direct the SDK installer to an external HD, will the targets be installed there? | 18:02 |
| millenomi | it would be the only way for me to install the SDK >_< | 18:03 |
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| qgil | X-Fade bergie has there been any discussion about community QA in Apps catalog? Anything documented? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | qgil: No, the complete process needs to be discussed still. | 18:06 |
| bergie | qgil: ...and actual implementation requires BOSS to be running | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | qgil: We only did backend work. The people part really needs to be designed and discussed. | 18:07 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: if we want to have the Apps catalog ready by MeeGo 1.2 I bet we should be discussing this already now... | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | qgil: For sure. | 18:08 |
| bergie | I would suggest starting by copying the old Maemo Extras testing process | 18:08 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: well, this is when documenting status helps - I had no idea and I was assuming that such work was being done when seeing that a screenshot made on a testing environment existed | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, but that is only framework. Policy needs to be designed/discussed. | 18:09 |
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| qgil | X-Fade bergie lbt there we go: bug report against the lack of community QA criteria defined for the Apps catalog http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12808 | 18:17 |
| qgil | blocking the Apps catalog release | 18:17 |
| bergie | thx | 18:17 |
| leinir | X-Fade: What was the reason you couldn't make use of Frank's work for this app catalogue? i mean, the amount of effort you've put into building something new in stead of adapting his would indicate you had a very good reason, i'm just wondering what it is :) | 18:17 |
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| X-Fade | leinir: We're using OCS. | 18:18 |
| qgil | leinir: in fact is a bit the other way around, isn't it? Frank & co seem to be starting now and we need an Apps catalog in production in 3 months | 18:18 |
| leinir | X-Fade: Sure, but OCS is just an API specification, he's got a really big framework :) | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | leinir: But frank's software didn't integrate with OBS or BOSS. | 18:18 |
| leinir | X-Fade: that's what the Nokia sponsored Bretzn project's been doing for the last six months, though... :) | 18:19 |
| leinir | qgil: Not quite... It's a slightly oddly worded blog entry, but it's really just taking existing work and tying the last few knots :) | 18:19 |
| Jartza | 'allo | 18:19 |
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| X-Fade | leinir: Well that is another case of no communication then :) | 18:20 |
| qgil | leinir: right, this is why I asked him to provide more details in the comments :) | 18:20 |
| leinir | The app store is an adapted version of the MeeGo Garage client, the server is just an instance of openDesktop.org, and the software is provided by openSuse's OBS instance :) | 18:20 |
| bergie | leinir: I've been talking with Frank about this stuff for quite a while, but I think a separate implementation really makes sense here | 18:20 |
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| leinir | qgil: we're working on a little dot article on the topic, yeah :) | 18:21 |
| bergie | but using OBS&OCS already allows us to have shared back-end and front-ends | 18:21 |
| qgil | bergie: knowing the reasons would be useful :) | 18:21 |
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| bergie | so there isn't that much duplication :-) | 18:21 |
| bergie | qgil: more flexibility in workflows and design, mostly | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | leinir: But nothing was mentioned about this at Franks BOF at the conference either? | 18:22 |
| leinir | bergie: *nods* Indeed :) But yeah, it's really just that i'm wondering about the reasonings behind that decision - an existing solution exists, why not use it? as i said, i'm sure you've got a good reason, just that this reason isn't clear to those outside the team :) | 18:22 |
| qgil | bergie: are we again in front of the old dilemma 'improving a big effort' vs 'executing our smaller effort'? | 18:23 |
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| bergie | qgil: the big effort benefits come from OCS+OBS, IMO | 18:23 |
| bergie | for the actual "web view" I think flexibility is a good thing | 18:23 |
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| X-Fade | Also the complete workflow of the process will be abstracted in BOSS. | 18:24 |
| leinir | X-Fade: The openSuse App Store? No, because this particular bit of work happened sort of quite quickly and suddenly :) But everything else has been there for ages :) | 18:24 |
| qgil | bergie: meh, sorry I can't avoid feeling suspicious :) But anyway, if we want an Apps catalog running in 3 months we don't have much time for (more) experiments | 18:24 |
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| bergie | I guess the software running opendesktop.org could be modified to fit our UI and workflow needs, but it is probably more work | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | Which is what the CORE OBS uses too. | 18:24 |
| bergie | qgil: certainly | 18:24 |
| leinir | But sure, if you're set on following a strict system like BOSS, absolutely, then it makes sense to build a tool around that :) | 18:24 |
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| bergie | leinir: maemo.org downloads had custom hand-built workflows, and that ended up being cumbersome to maintain. That is why we'll use BOSS instead | 18:25 |
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| bergie | so the web interface can be just a thin shell | 18:25 |
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| leinir | bergie: *nods* makes sense, yeah :) Well, in that case i'd suggest making a note of that somewhere... because, well, it isn't really clear from the outside why :) | 18:26 |
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| bergie | leinir: of course there can be more collaboration with Frank... both web frontends are built in PHP, so maybe some classes could be shared | 18:27 |
| bergie | (though PHP doesn't traditionally make that too easy, see http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/php-finally_getting_an_ecosystem/) | 18:28 |
| leinir | Well, the lib_ocs.php class would be a sensible starting point for that :) | 18:28 |
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| leinir | It'll need adaptation - right now it's tied somewhat to H01, but it shouldn't really be too much work to add a translation layer for that :) | 18:28 |
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| r4co0n | Where to change the Hostname/Computer Name of a machine running MeeGo. /etc/HOSTNAME seems to be ignored. I primarily want to change my Bluetooth-ID, though I am not happy about my computer being named like my user, that doesn't make it more secure... | 18:29 |
| bergie | leinir: check out https://github.com/xfade/com_meego_ocs | 18:29 |
| leinir | *clicks* :) | 18:29 |
| bergie | on a bit longer term I'd like to have one sufficiently generalized OCS library that could be contributed to Zeta Componentd | 18:30 |
| bergie | a bit like http://incubator.apache.org/zetacomponents/documentation/trunk/Feed/tutorial.html | 18:30 |
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| r4co0n | Btw, who had the idea of putting peoples' full name in the Bluetooth-ID at first place? | 18:32 |
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| r4co0n | No idea where i can change bluetooth-id or whatever you may call it... | 18:38 |
| r4co0n | ? | 18:38 |
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| r4co0n | There is some glitch when pairing with my maemo-running n900, i have to confirm the PIN first at the netbook or it won't work, though the device shows up as trusted on N900. File this bug against Bluetooth or something more special? | 18:39 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: node 12 blow up today with a bang | 18:45 |
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| alterego | qgil: ping | 19:07 |
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| jeremiah | How can I get zypper to tell me the URL of the repos I'm using? | 19:23 |
| jeremiah | zypper lr doesn't do that | 19:23 |
| jeremiah | Oh. | 19:24 |
| jeremiah | zypper lr -u | 19:24 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, I couldn't get it too either, I ended up cat'ing the repo file from /etc/zypp..... | 19:24 |
| lcuk | oooh it does | 19:24 |
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| effchen|2 | hi | 19:32 |
| effchen|2 | how can i install bogo filter for the mailsoftware? | 19:33 |
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| auke | effchen|2: what mail software are you referring too? | 19:43 |
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| ali1234 | how do i access the bootloader of meego netbook? | 19:57 |
| nze` | i've just booted my n900 into meego 1.1 on my microsd card. how can i access the maemo rootfs? | 19:58 |
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| bince | hi everyone my system crashed while installing sudo mad-admin create -f # meego-handset-ia32-1.1.2 now when i retyped this,its asking me to delete the files first,how can i do that ?? | 20:09 |
| bince | hi everyone my system crashed while installing "sudo mad-admin create -f # meego-handset-ia32-1.1.2" now when i retyped this,its asking me to delete the files first,how can i do that ?? | 20:09 |
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| millenomi | hi all :) | 20:11 |
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| millenomi | would this be an appropriate channel for a SDK install question? | 20:11 |
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| eurisko | has anyone played arround with the folio 100 ? | 20:15 |
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| effchen|2 | auke: guess its called evolution | 20:22 |
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| auke | effchen|2: ok - I don't think meego has bogofilter packaged - you'll have to install it yourself | 20:23 |
| auke | apart from that there should be a config panel to add header rules in evolution | 20:24 |
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| effchen|2 | i just want a spam filter | 20:24 |
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| effchen|2 | which one is not so imporntant | 20:24 |
| effchen|2 | -n | 20:24 |
| effchen|2 | ^^ | 20:24 |
| nze` | has no one ever tried to access the maemo rootfs from meego on a n900? | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | nze`: need to modprobe ubifs and mount it as a ubifs | 20:26 |
| nze` | Stskeeps: thanks | 20:28 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: which device is it actually? | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | nze`: mtdblock3 or 4, i forget | 20:30 |
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| ali1234 | is the anaconda installer from fedora/suse or is it one that moblin came up with itself? | 20:34 |
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| mkaran | Hi, I am trying to build gst-plugins-base, but I am getting below error: | 20:36 |
| mkaran | + exec rpmbuild -ba --define '_srcdefattr (-,root,root)' /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base.spec error: File /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz: No such file or directory | 20:36 |
| mkaran | Please tell me the any solution | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | please paste on pastie.org your entire build log. | 20:37 |
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| mkaran | mkaran@mkaran-laptop:~/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base$ sudo build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.15.20110118.5/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 gst-plugins-base.spec [sudo] password for mkaran: logging output to /var/tmp/build-root/.build.log... Memory limit set to 4029384KB Using BUILD_ROOT=/var/tmp/build-root Using BUILD_ARCH=i686:i586:i486:i386 mkaran-laptop started "build gst-plugins-base. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | no no no .. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | i said pastie.org, a pastebin :) | 20:39 |
| nze` | Stskeeps: mount complains with "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mtdblock{3,4}, missing codepage or helper program, or other error", dmesg shows UBIFS error: ubifs_get_sb: cannot open "$the_device", error -22 | 20:41 |
| nze` | any idea? | 20:41 |
| nze` | i used plain simple `mount -t ubifs $dev mnt' | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | $ mount -t ubifs /dev/ubi0_0 /mnt/ubifs | 20:41 |
| mkaran | Stskeeps: I have pasted it on paste.org | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | mkaran: and give resulting url, please | 20:42 |
| qgil | alterego: pong | 20:42 |
| mkaran | Could you please tell me any solution | 20:42 |
| alterego | qgil: still waiting on that email :) | 20:43 |
| qgil | alterego: please forward again - I'm actually sending developer devices this week | 20:43 |
| alterego | Okay, I'll do it now. | 20:43 |
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| mkaran | Stskeeps: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/27859 | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: any news on having the gprs stuff working on n900? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | +meego | 20:45 |
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| alterego | qgil: done. | 20:45 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I had no luck | 20:45 |
| qgil | alterego: thanks | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | mkaran: does gst-plugins-base-0.10.25.tar.gz exist in ~/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: ok, perhaps we do need a tutorial on how to make it work.. | 20:46 |
| nze` | Stskeeps: i just have /dev/ubi_ctrl | 20:46 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: some of the APIs changed and after spending a few hours looking at the QA tests things started breaking :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: ah, work in progress, always lovely | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | nze`: mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt/ubifs | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 20:46 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: great idea :) What did you think about my idea of having a UI with a database of all providers like ubuntu has for it's dialup broadband support | 20:47 |
| mkaran | Stskeeps: I have downloaded the code from git://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gst-plugins-base.git | 20:47 |
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| mkaran | that gz is not there | 20:47 |
| mkaran | where I will get it | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | mkaran: ok, so, what you need to do is grab the srpm instead from repo.meego.com 'sources' directories | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | and rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -id to unpack | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | then you have something you can build | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | so, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 is a great example of what i was talking about the other day about bad bugs | 20:48 |
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| mkaran | Thanks Stskeeps | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | the original description describes the symptoms which is fine | 20:49 |
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| ali1234 | but there are actually two problems being described by one bug | 20:49 |
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| ali1234 | and the comments are completely useless | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | and also, which package does this bug belong to? you can't tell from the bugzilla | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: ah, that part is getting changed (package belongs to), there's -supposedly- a reorganisation underway that help narrow those things.. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, you're right | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | it seems like the best thing for me to do would be to open two new bugs for each of the individual problems and link them to this bug | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | then write full descriptions of the problems and the workaround | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | also i think that the bug report "form" leads to this kind of thing | 20:53 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: now mount gives me "unknown filesystem type 'ubifs'" :\ | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | modprobe? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | it should be easier to find the development images too, so i can actually test this bug on the latest installer | 20:58 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: modeprobed it, but i can't verify the output of lsmod, because i can't pipe into grep (how do i type a | ?) and i can't scroll back the xterm either :/ | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | nze`: ssh in over usb? | 21:00 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: could you give me a pointer as to how i'd do that? | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | nze`: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | why do you want to get on the ubifs anyway? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | and not mmc? | 21:03 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: i messed up a bit in maemo, in particular my sudoers file is 0640, which completely prevents me from becoming root. so i'm trying to get to maemo's /etc | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | nze`: ah | 21:08 |
| nze` | Stskeeps: it's quite a pain, because i can't just mount the rootfs on my pc or anything, and loading the meego kernel and booting from sd card was the closest i found to using a live cd | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | nze`: if you just need a minimal rescue system that keeps out of your way then i highly recommend gentoo embedded :) | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | aka gizard | 21:10 |
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| nze` | ali1234: i just need to get to the rootfs without installing anything (except on the sd card) | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:11 |
| nze` | right now i have the 1.1 meego release from 2010/10/26 up and running, but i'm still struggling getting the maemo root mounted.. | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | did you get in on ssh yet? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | nze`: grep UBI /boot/config* | 21:13 |
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| ali1234 | if it was me, i would compile a kernel with all the modules built in and then build a rootfs based on one of these: http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/linwizard/ | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | (they have dropbear, busybox, and all that stuff) | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | they use simple old init style, so just edit the inittab and /etc/init.d to your liking. easy. | 21:17 |
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| ali1234 | nze`: maybe this helps: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking | 21:23 |
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| ali1234 | does the image set the mac addresses of the usb networking modules to something "not completely random?" | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | because that causes problems with network manager | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | setting the remote end to the mac address of the n900 wifi is fine though | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | i lol at the instructions for ubuntu on that page | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | i guess it uses a random mac | 21:25 |
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| ali1234 | because if it didn't, you could just configure it through the GUI like any other interface and it would remember the settings | 21:26 |
| nze` | the mac looks pretty random | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | ok. this will only cause the problem that NM will never remember the settings because it uses the mac to ID connections | 21:26 |
| nze` | i sincerely hope that i won't be doing this a lot :) | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | i will perhaps open a bug about this when i am done writing bugs about the netbook bootloader | 21:28 |
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| ali1234 | basically meego should be running dhcp and avahi on the network interface instead of static config with random mac | 21:30 |
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| ali1234 | setting up networking would then consist of 4 steps: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/htc/Screenshot-6.png | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | hmm also why does that page say to make udev rules naming it "N900__PC-Suite_Mode" - i didn't know meego supports nokia PC suite? | 21:35 |
| nze` | well the device gets listed in nm as Nokia N900 (PC-Suite Mode) | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | or is that string hardcoded in the kernel somewhere? | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | (the desktop kernel that is) | 21:35 |
| Bostik | I think the option should simply say "not USB storage mode" | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | ah i see, yeah | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | anyway, you shouldn't need udev rules for this | 21:37 |
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| ali1234 | just fix the mac address! | 21:37 |
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| nze` | okay, i'm in | 21:45 |
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| nze` | # lsmod | egrep -i ubi : ubifs 164330 0 | 21:46 |
| nze` | looks like it's loaded | 21:46 |
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| nze` | mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt still complains about not knowing ubifs | 21:47 |
| nze` | wtf | 21:47 |
| nze` | but having a proper keyboard and scrollback is already *soo* much better | 21:48 |
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| nze` | Stskeeps: here's the output from grep UBI /boot/conf* http://pastebin.com/VdxW3mnX | 21:59 |
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| Stskeeps | nze`: looks correct | 22:00 |
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| ali1234 | why doesn't meego support ext4? | 22:02 |
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| ali1234 | i don't mean the installer | 22:02 |
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| ali1234 | it can't mount ext4 partitions *at all* | 22:03 |
| wmarone | is ext4 enabled in the kernel? | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | which means i can't chroot into my ubuntu partition to reinstall grub after anaconda nuked it | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: personally i think it's "all features must be supported and maintained" taken a little too fa.. | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | far | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | which you can't prevent because the installer doesn't have the option | 22:03 |
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| ali1234 | wmarone: clearly not | 22:03 |
| ali1234 | so that's another bug to add to the list | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | all i wanted to do was install meego so i can build an rpm of my app for meego | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | and i hit at least 5 problems | 22:06 |
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| ali1234 | eh, at least meego has a package for grub | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | i can fix it like that | 22:06 |
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| ali1234 | actually this probably explains why the installer didn't add ubuntu as another OS | 22:07 |
| auke | ali1234: file a bug on ext4 support | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | i will | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | after i finish testing the installer in the newest image | 22:08 |
| auke | thanks | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | which i can't do until i fix my bootloader back to how it was before i installed meego | 22:08 |
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| ali1234 | ah, grub is on the partition, so it's not gone | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | hmm missing operating system??? | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | wtf?!? | 22:11 |
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| auke | re-run grub? | 22:12 |
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| ali1234 | i guess i need to rootnoverify it | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | since meego can't mount the partition | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | or maybe it's wrong grub version | 22:15 |
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| ali1234 | would be nice if the installer image had a minimal root shell option | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it a live image? | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | it is | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | but the meego UI is a PITA | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | i just want a root shell | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | how do i even get root on the livecd? | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | meego isn't in sudoers | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | su? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably rootpass 'meego' | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | why does sudo -s work on a real install but not live? | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | another bug for the list | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | i need to start writing these down | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | bugs are good | 22:19 |
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| ali1234 | ok i see the problem. meego has grub 0.97. ext4/ubuntu needs grub2 | 22:22 |
| nze` | no bugs aren't too bad either | 22:22 |
| ali1234 | time to make a grub boot key then *sigh* | 22:23 |
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| nze` | okay, i must be doing something Really Stupid here | 22:29 |
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| nze` | just rebooted, still the same problems.. http://pastebin.com/mC03wcNZ | 22:29 |
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| nze` | uname -rv | 22:31 |
| nze` | 2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 #1 PREEMPT Fri Oct 15 17:56:00 UTC 2010 | 22:31 |
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| rbelem | anyone got bluetooth working on meego n900? | 22:40 |
| merbot | rbelem: it doesn't work when wifi is on | 22:41 |
| stskeepsie | .. what the bot said | 22:41 |
| rbelem | weird :-) | 22:42 |
| rbelem | i just need to modprobe -r the module or is there another way? | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, you might have hit a version where we don't have calibration in yet :) | 22:43 |
| stskeepsie | i'd wait a tiny bit | 22:43 |
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| rbelem | i modprobe -r the wifi module | 22:46 |
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| rbelem | and tried the hciconfig hci0 up | 22:47 |
| rbelem | i got Can't init device hci0: Input/output error (5) | 22:47 |
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| alterego | vgrade1: ping | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you need to set up the MAC address using bd_addr | 22:47 |
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| rbelem | Stskeeps, setting it here /sys/devices/platform/hci_h4p/bdaddr? | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:50 |
| rbelem | Stskeeps, is there a better way to do that? | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | right now? no | 22:50 |
| rbelem | oki | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, merbot becoming sentient? *grin* | 22:50 |
| rbelem | Stskeeps, thank you very much :-) | 22:50 |
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| rbelem | it is working :-) | 22:53 |
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| rbelem | :-D | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, I gather time and a few patches will solve the bt/wifi issue? | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: patches exist | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | ooh Stskeeps :D the time aspect then! | 23:08 |
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| nze` | seriously, am i the only one who can't get ubifs mounted? could anyone take a quick look? | 23:14 |
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| ali1234 | ok finally managed to get back into ubuntu | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | nze`: you're probably the only one who tried tbh | 23:19 |
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| ali1234 | so iow, yes | 23:19 |
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| ali1234 | oh wow, when i ran 'update-grub' in ubuntu... it detected meego | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | why can't meego work like that? | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | nze`, don't you normally use mount like "mount -t filesys /dev/branch /filesys/link" ? | 23:25 |
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| alterego | ali1234: well, it can, it's just not configured to do it :) | 23:26 |
| alterego | s/configured/setup/ | 23:26 |
| infobot | alterego meant: ali1234: well, it can, it's just not setup to do it :) | 23:26 |
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| nze` | lcuk: i'm really unfamiliar with ubifs, but i guess there should be something like /dev/ubi0 and /dev/ubi0_0 | 23:29 |
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| nze` | all i can see is /dev/ubi_ctrl | 23:29 |
| lcuk | nze`, ok where did you get your info from before about which partition to mount from? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | slightly unrelated, but this gives access to maemo MyDocs from within meego: | 23:32 |
| lcuk | mkdir /media/maemostuff; mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/maemostuff | 23:32 |
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| ali1234 | well, the boot option generated by 'update-grub' worked, it booted meego | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | so now to try the 1.1.80 image to see if it is also broken | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, 1.1.80 jan23 is having issues | 23:46 |
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| ali1234 | well i'm not using that one | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, good stuff then. | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | i'm using meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.80.15.20110118.5.img | 23:47 |
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| ali1234 | what kind of issues btw? | 23:47 |
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| ali1234 | i'm only really interested in the installer at this point | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | meego-qa mailing list, daily reports highlighted bug 12760 | 23:50 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12760 cri, High, ---, vivian.zhang, ASSI, [REG] MeeGo 1.1.90.0.20110123.80 netbook image unable to installed | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | hmm ok, good job i didn't grab the daily then | 23:50 |
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| ali1234 | wait, 1.1.90? | 23:51 |
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| ali1234 | what does the 80 and 90 mean? | 23:51 |
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| ali1234 | 80 = weekly, 90 = daily? | 23:51 |
| auke | no | 23:52 |
| auke | they're sequential numbers | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | 90 > 80 | 23:52 |
| thiago_home | 90 is closer to 100 | 23:52 |
| auke | 80 means alpha | 23:52 |
| auke | 90 means betaish | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | so at what point did they change from 80 to 90? | 23:52 |
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| auke | feature freeze | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | ok | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | which reminds me... when is the next TSG meeting? | 23:53 |
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| thiago_home | will ask for a delay of the 1.2 release | 23:53 |
| thiago_home | about 3 weeks, until the meegoconf | 23:53 |
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| thiago_home | already talked to imad and valtteri, they think it's a good idea | 23:54 |
| alterego | thiago_home: this week I believe, | 23:55 |
| alterego | tomorrow I think .. | 23:56 |
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| thiago_home | Tuesday? it's usually Wednesdays | 23:56 |
| alterego | Ah, then probably wednesday :) | 23:56 |
| thiago_home | I know it wasn't last week | 23:56 |
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| ali1234 | i really hate how the default computer name on meego is <username>-desktop | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | it's like it's rubbing in my face the fact that meego won't even run on my desktop | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | and it collised with the hostname of my desktop machine too :/ | 23:58 |
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| ali1234 | ok, all these bugs are still present, so time to do some reporting | 23:59 |
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