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SeshuCLvgrade, r u there?00:15
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SeshuCLvgrade, r u there?00:26
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phl0x81http://www.itworld.com/open-source/134067/canonicals-qt-decision-may-also-be-mobile-power-play < very interesting...01:03
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thiago_nyphl0x81: see the comment that was left there01:17
phl0x81yes, I've seen it.01:18
thiago_nythe QML version of Unity makes it necessary to have Qt in the CD01:18
phl0x81but its also a good point.01:18
phl0x81all in all for qt its a big win.01:19
phl0x81and meego needs to get starting soon.01:19
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thiago_nyryan paul's article is, as usual, very good too01:21
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thiago_nyhowever, we should check what is required to replace gconf with dconf in meego01:23
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pixelgeekI think my N900 is broke.  :(02:24
pixelgeekI'm getting a kernel panic.02:24
Jartzamy other N900 also gets kernel panic02:25
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pixelgeekMeeGo version 1.1.80.0.20101001.102:25
Jartzaalthough I broke it myself :)02:25
pixelgeekI tried reflashing the microSD card and the kernel but no joy.02:26
pixelgeekAnyone have a magic wand?02:27
Jartzaquite similar to what I did02:27
Jartzahaven't had time to try and fix, though02:27
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pixelgeekWell, thanks for checking my sanity.02:28
pixelgeekI'm scratching my head what to try next.02:28
pixelgeekReflash back to Maemo?02:28
Jartzayou can try that yes.02:29
Jartzaat least to make sure the phone is ok :)02:29
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pixelgeekHmmm.. I'm wondering if the images I have that I'm flashing with are still good.02:39
pixelgeekSomething to think about tomorrow.02:39
araujopixelgeek, why using such an old image?02:41
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pixelgeekaraujo: regression.  I know I had this one working.02:46
pixelgeekI tried a newer one and that didn't work.02:46
pixelgeekSo I was trying to revert back to a known good version.02:47
pixelgeekIs there a particular image that you know works well?02:47
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special_khey guys anyone online07:55
special_k!info07:56
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nazgeeMorning, I've noticed a strange issue recently. It seems, that when  I work with my target (beagleboard clone, handset) and develop on rootfs mounted via nfs, uxlaunch is not able to walk through /etc/sdg/autostart dir correctly- it ignores .desktop files completely.10:36
nazgeeWhen I got through some code I discovered, that the line responsible for it is "if (entry->d_type != DT_REG) continue;"10:37
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Stskeepssounds like a bug?10:38
nazgeeit seems that instead of regular files, unknown type is listed (DT_UNKNOWN) and it makes uxlaunch ignore it completely10:38
nazgeenot really sure10:38
nazgeemaybe there is some reason for NFS reporting not regular files type, but unknown one?10:39
nazgeemaybe i messed up something with mounting my image or sth?10:39
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nazgeefiles content is ok, the only whing wrong is readdir() returning files of unknown type for some reason10:40
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nazgeehmmm... man readdir says: Currently,  only  some file systems (among them: Btrfs, ext2, ext3, and ext4) have full support returning the file type in d_type. All  appli‐ cations must properly handle a return of DT_UNKNOWN.10:45
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nazgeeI'm not sure if it means "NFS does not support it", but anyway it looks like a bug really: DT_UNKNOWN should not prevent .desktop from being parsed10:46
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araujoStskeeps, coreutils OBS broken?11:11
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Stskeepsaraujo: seems so, someone forgot to test their changes11:17
Stskeepswhich is @%@ why this stuff should through devel:base first11:17
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araujoexactly ....11:20
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* Stskeeps now has to fix his hardfp build11:24
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* Stskeeps ponders idly why meego gcc for arm is compiled without cloog usage12:37
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thiago_homethe answer to those things is usually "really? oops"12:43
Stskeepsso it sounds like a bug?12:43
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thiago_homeyeah12:46
Stskeepsk12:46
RST38hEHLO raster12:47
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* Stskeeps files bug 1273012:49
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12730 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, NEW, MeeGo GCC for ARM is built without cloog usage12:49
rasterRST38h: hey ho!12:49
iekkuoh no12:55
* iekku opened the bug link and it's weekend12:56
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lcukn900hey amin manchester, which phone shops are best for messing with live phone models?  wanna take some of the macro pics and bt the results over?15:56
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lcukn900cosmohill, did you get your insurance sorted?17:36
CosmoHillyeah17:36
CosmoHill£710 with Elephant >.<>17:36
CosmoHill(that's almost twice the value of the car)17:38
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Stskeepsbetter at what it costs if you hit someone17:39
Stskeepsthan17:39
CosmoHillif anything happens to my car it's a write off17:40
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CosmoHilli mean say I need a new bumper, they'd probably write it off17:41
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lcukCosmoHill, I tohught you had found an insurer for less?18:20
CosmoHillthere was other charges that weren't in the online quote18:21
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lcukCosmoHill, that is always the way18:22
CosmoHillthey basically gave me a surcharge for being young18:22
CosmoHillwhat I hate is that some car insurance quotes are close / more than a year at uni18:22
CosmoHilli mean you can afford either a car or to go to uni18:23
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CosmoHillsometimes you need both18:23
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lcukwell CosmoHill lots of uni folks do not have cars!18:23
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CosmoHillif you live on campus18:23
lcukgd point18:25
lcukis the insurance fully comprehensive?18:25
CosmoHillyeah18:25
lcukthats a bonus at least18:25
CosmoHillwhen I was playing with quotes, 1 years NCB gave you £110 off18:26
lcukyeah, lots of things generally change after the first year18:28
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CosmoHilllike university fees...18:31
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IanWizardHello and good morning.  Yesterday I was having trouble with how long it took for anything to load, and it was suggested that I check the disk, and if that fixed it, report back.   Well, ( lcuk ), I installed it to the internel on the netbook, and that cut the times in half at least.19:13
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lcukIanWizard, thats certainly positive!  I wonder what happened to the external drive19:14
lcukthough, normally internal is faster of course :)19:14
IanWizardlcuk, it was a 1gb sd from MicroCenter, so it may have just been that slow, but I don't usually have problems with booting from their cards.19:15
IanWizardlcuk, but oh well, it's better now (still not as good as I would like, but...)19:15
IanWizardlcuk, also, is there anyway to tweak it (MeeGo) to play nice with lower rez?19:15
lcukwhat is the lower resolution you are using?19:16
lcukand where are you having specific problems19:16
IanWizardI'm on 800x480, and alot of things just run over the screen, rather than scrolling19:16
lcukI am tempted to recommend keeping an eye out for the handset build, however it is not yet as feature complete as the zones netbook ui19:17
lcuksince the n900 is also at 800*48019:17
lcukit will have more eyes watching for small screen issues19:17
IanWizardI'll just get my other two problems out now too.   1.  The text is sometimes, "choppy", parts of the letters just aren't there, could this be an issue with the font?  2.  It always shows that I don't have a battery plugged in, could just be a motherboard driver issue, but it always shows up by default in every ver of linux that I've used.19:18
IanWizardlcuk, I'll try the handset release,  /me wonders if it will have more driver issues, and such19:19
lcukIanWizard, you wouldn't have driver issues as such since afaik everything is built on meego core19:21
lcukgive the usb key bootup method a try though and see how you like it :)19:21
IanWizardlcuk, I didn't know if it would be tweaked.  I will, dloading right now19:21
IanWizardlcuk, btw, what does afaik stand for?  I know everything else on IRC but that one.19:21
lcukas far as I know19:23
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IanWizardlcuk, (thanks)19:25
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IanWizardEverytime I go to the repo.meego.com my browser thinks that it's in Indonesian, and wants to translate.19:26
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* CosmoHill fiddles with iptabels and hopes he don't lock himself out this time19:30
IanWizardCosmoHill, may the TCP be with you.19:33
CosmoHillmerci19:34
CosmoHillmy plan is to modifiy the FTP rule so that only the UK and france can have ftp access19:36
lcukif you outlaw global FTP access, only criminals will access your FTP :P19:37
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CosmoHillonly the "adminstrator" account19:37
javispedrooh, there's more "N9 has <INSERT_CRAPPY_PROCESSOR_THAT_IS_ON_THE_NEWS_LATELY_HERE>" threads!19:38
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IanWizardoh look, my download is done, now which one do I want to try first...19:52
GAN900javispedro, they're so much fun, though.19:52
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GAN900Frankly I think it'll be AMD, though.19:52
GAN900Why else would they get behind MeeGo?19:52
javispedro:)19:53
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IanWizardI gotta go guys.  lcuk, I'll let you know how handset works out.20:00
lcuk\o coolio20:00
IanWizardlcuk, before I go, I downloaded mtf, and pinetrail-mtf, I'm not certain what to use.  I know I'm not pinetrail based, but I don't know what mtf is, and mine is probably close to pinetrail.20:02
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lcukmtf == meegotouchframework20:03
IanWizardlcuk, so it's the baseline, with touch.20:03
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lcukand the pinetrail images I have here have tested and booted on: lenovo s10 ideapad, lenovo x200s and packard bell onetwo allinone thingy20:03
IanWizardlcuk, I'll try the mtf first, thanks.20:04
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lcukwhich ebook readers work with linux?20:23
lcukhardware I mean20:23
RST38hfbreader20:23
RST38hah20:23
lcuklol preempting!20:23
RST38hthe sino-ukrainian ones all do afaik20:24
lcuknone of the mass market ones yet? kindle sony ones etc?20:24
* lcuk studies quickly then goes grabbing one20:25
RST38hthey are mass market ones20:25
RST38hjust not in UK :)20:25
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lcukok, so someone ran linux on kindle fairly simply20:26
RST38hlcuk: http://lbook.ua/ru/products/20:27
RST38hlcuk: Their /en/ version is currently missing, but you will figure it out20:27
RST38hThey are actually rather generic Chinese-made ebooks that you can buy under different OEM names around the world20:28
lcukRST38h, but i cannot drive to local shop and pick one of those up20:29
RST38hI think you can. Just let me do a bit of research.20:29
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RST38hlcuk: Google for Tianjin Jinke Electronics20:30
RST38hlcuk: their western market brand is Hanlin eReader20:31
lcukcool20:32
RST38hlcuk: you can order direct here: http://www.jinke.com.cn/Compagesql/English/embedpro/index.asp20:32
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RST38hlcuk: Will probably still have to learn Ukrainian if you need to hack together a firmware image though :)20:33
lcuki dont want to have together a firmware for anything20:33
thiago_homekindle runs linux20:33
lcukcan it run meego linux? :)20:33
sivangthiago_home: how was the flight?20:34
RST38hOnce it gets Pinetrail, why not?20:34
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thiago_hometiring20:34
thiago_homethose economy seats had no reclining20:34
sivangthiago_home: oohh :/20:34
RST38hWait until they introduce standing-room-only cabins...20:34
lcukthiago_home, at least you got an inside seat this time!20:34
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thiago_homeas opposed to sitting on the fuselage?20:35
lcukRST38h, standing room flights were voiced by the ultra-economy services20:35
sivangthiago_home: I've been trying to find the pimpl of QNAM e.g., where is d_func()->clearCache() is defined but couldn't even with the help of grep foo20:35
RST38hI know.20:35
lcukthiago_home, wing seats are "refreshing"20:35
sivanglcuk: is there such a thing?20:35
sivanglcuk: standin only cabins?20:35
RST38hthere are plans for them20:36
lcukin the scifi thingy V (remake 2009) the shuttles upto the main ships are almost standing20:36
lcukyou just lean into the area20:36
* lcuk dispenses of random knowledge 20:38
lcukbut i still have to pick an ebook reader20:38
sivangthiago_home: there was no reclining in Aer Lingus as well, but that was only a 2 hours flight20:38
GAN900lcuk, N900.20:38
thiago_homesivang: src/network/access/qnetworkaccessmanager.cpp20:38
* sivang looks20:38
lcukGAN900, sure i have n810 fully working and happily reading books too as well as seeing my ideapad showing identical20:39
lcuk(scrolling big text on the 10" screen is awesome, its like film credits :$)20:39
sivangthiago_home: right, so this calls objectCache.clear()20:39
lcukbut, i want something with eink in it :)20:39
GAN900lcuk, meh, too many devices to carry around.20:40
lcukGAN900, just for at home20:40
sivangGAN900: N900 does it all, for me at least. It is a loyal companion20:41
lcukI only want it because I found out a sequal to one of my favorite books is out :)20:41
sivangreading books is just the one thing I am mising.20:41
sivangthiago_home: where is this object defined? I think it is a common pimpl throughout qt right?20:42
lcuksequel  even ffs20:42
sivange.g., through abstractcache20:42
lcuksivang, what are you running that does not have a bookreader on it?20:43
thiago_homesivang: no, each QNAM has one20:43
thiago_homesivang: it controls the open connections and the auth cache20:43
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sivanglcuk: I am reading PDFs with the Maemo PDF reader. Very hard to handle, when the text is big to be comfortable, horiztonal scrolling is annoying, when not, the text size is stressing the eyes.20:44
sivangthiago_home: ok20:44
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lcukahhh sivang, it will always be hard trying to read printed page style documents on a device smaller than the printed page it was taken from20:45
lcukall the book formats I read adapt to screen/font size20:45
* lcuk considers pdf crippled in this regard20:46
sivanglcuk: ah that's nice20:48
sivanglcuk: ofcourse reading Qt's manuals and references on the N900 is not bad, although horizontal scrolling must be used as well to some extent for the fonts to be comfortable for my glasses eyes.20:49
sivanglcuk: e.g. off the web.20:49
sivangmuch better than pdfs, es.20:49
sivangyes20:49
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GAN900lcuk, PDF is useless for everything but printing.21:09
CosmoHillI hate it when I have to download a PDF just to read something21:10
CosmoHilli mean why not put it on the website21:10
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Stskeepsthe CPU discussions are annoying, does noone think about the possibility of things being parrallel, not in a straight line? :P21:18
* Stskeeps sees no reason why there can't be many different products with different cpus and socs21:19
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niala1hello21:56
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CosmoHillsalut niala1, comment ça va?21:56
niala1hello CosmoHill, nice thank you, and you?21:57
CosmoHillI'm good, just a bit bored21:57
niala1why?21:57
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CosmoHillI just need to go play a game or something something to do21:58
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niala1ah, you play chess ?21:59
CosmoHillsometimes22:03
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niala1CosmoHill: you know a easy server to play?22:04
CosmoHillnope22:04
CosmoHillonly ever played in person22:04
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Stskeepshttp://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.dec.html22:06
CosmoHillthanks Stskeeps22:06
IanWizardlcuk, ok, I tried both images, but I think I'm doing something wrong when flashing to the SD.  (the pinetrail "encountered an error" while processing the init scripts.)  I got the ia32-mtf-1.1-sda.bin image, and flashed it, but I think I need the boot image also, which I honestly don't know what to do with, I've only ever used whole .img's, or on my phone there is a separate boot partition.22:07
niala1same nickname in first place on ircstat :)22:07
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niala1CosmoHill: is #meego become sad? :)22:30
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lcukniala1, only when he pays more for his car insurance22:34
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niala1ouch!22:35
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CosmoHillalso annoyed when the cover ends without them warning us22:41
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niala1can i have an account on https://build.pub.meego.com/ please god of gnu.22:47
CosmoHillniala1: you need to tell lcuk (who is over there) what your meego.com account is22:48
Stskeepserm, no22:48
Stskeeps:P22:48
Stskeepslbt or x-fade22:48
CosmoHillmy bad22:49
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niala1yes I know,22:50
lbtniala1: open source apps ... yes?22:50
lbtand what's your meego.com accountname ?22:51
ali1234lbt: can you enable me too please? i want to upload my meegon generator, it's open source (at least it will be when i figure out how to upload it)22:51
lbtali1234: done22:51
ali1234thanks22:51
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lbtbbiab22:53
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* CosmoHill offers hot chocolate22:55
niala1and amsn but amsn with an error but he works.22:55
niala1oh i m  kicked ?22:55
Myrttiping timeout22:56
niala1ok sorry22:56
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CosmoHilllbt et lcuk, QI XL on BBC122:59
niala1what a strange code CosmoHill. :)23:01
CosmoHillI sneezed23:02
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CosmoHillniala1: if you get bbc2 you should watch too23:02
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niala1CosmoHill: seem like french ip are not allowed23:03
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CosmoHillI'm watching it now with some dutch and belgium freinds because they get BBC1 and 2 on satalite / cabel23:04
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niala1CosmoHill: http://webactu-webtv.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=2450 missing plugin on meego chrome. works for you ?23:06
niala1i need install mplayer plug-in23:06
niala1meego need plug-in ...23:06
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CosmoHillwants me to install flip4mac23:06
CosmoHillthe stream will work fine on VLC23:06
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niala1humpf vlc another thing who is not on meego..23:07
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Teth0ruXHi i have a samsung N220 and my wifi does not work23:34
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CosmoHillokay, are you using MeeGo?23:36
Teth0ruXyea23:36
CosmoHilldo you have a broadcom card?23:37
Teth0ruXno i mean the  internal card23:37
CosmoHillyes, the wifi, is it made by broadcom?23:37
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Teth0ruXhm23:37
Teth0ruXcan i see this in meego?23:37
CosmoHillmaybe, lspci23:38
Teth0ruXOr have i boot ubuntu23:38
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Teth0ruXyes23:38
Teth0ruXbroadcom23:38
CosmoHillhttp://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html23:39
Teth0ruXah nice thanks23:39
Teth0ruXand one other question23:39
Teth0ruXwhen i start meego.. there appears a error.. something like /media could not mounted or so23:40
Teth0ruXhow could i change this?23:40
CosmoHillI wouldn't know, have you tried closing your eyes and pretending it's not there?23:40
CosmoHillmaybe check the mailing list or forum23:40
Teth0ruXhehe23:41
nazgee|zZzcrap, i'm too tired for it tonight. goodnight23:41
CosmoHillkudos for booting meego on a non-nokia device23:41
CosmoHillbye nazgee|zZz23:41
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Teth0ruXokay23:41
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niala1error is on live. It's disappear once it's installed23:42
lbtniala1: back,,,, you want the community OBS?23:42
lbtfor opensource apps?23:42
Teth0ruXnice thanks23:43
niala1lbt: yes just to share my rpm23:44
lbtwhat's your meego.com account ?23:45
niala1question about .spe23:45
niala1niala23:45
lbtOK, done23:45
niala1thank you lbt23:46
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