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| phl0x81 | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/134067/canonicals-qt-decision-may-also-be-mobile-power-play < very interesting... | 01:03 |
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| thiago_ny | phl0x81: see the comment that was left there | 01:17 |
| phl0x81 | yes, I've seen it. | 01:18 |
| thiago_ny | the QML version of Unity makes it necessary to have Qt in the CD | 01:18 |
| phl0x81 | but its also a good point. | 01:18 |
| phl0x81 | all in all for qt its a big win. | 01:19 |
| phl0x81 | and meego needs to get starting soon. | 01:19 |
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| thiago_ny | ryan paul's article is, as usual, very good too | 01:21 |
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| thiago_ny | however, we should check what is required to replace gconf with dconf in meego | 01:23 |
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| pixelgeek | I think my N900 is broke. :( | 02:24 |
| pixelgeek | I'm getting a kernel panic. | 02:24 |
| Jartza | my other N900 also gets kernel panic | 02:25 |
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| pixelgeek | MeeGo version 1.1.80.0.20101001.1 | 02:25 |
| Jartza | although I broke it myself :) | 02:25 |
| pixelgeek | I tried reflashing the microSD card and the kernel but no joy. | 02:26 |
| pixelgeek | Anyone have a magic wand? | 02:27 |
| Jartza | quite similar to what I did | 02:27 |
| Jartza | haven't had time to try and fix, though | 02:27 |
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| pixelgeek | Well, thanks for checking my sanity. | 02:28 |
| pixelgeek | I'm scratching my head what to try next. | 02:28 |
| pixelgeek | Reflash back to Maemo? | 02:28 |
| Jartza | you can try that yes. | 02:29 |
| Jartza | at least to make sure the phone is ok :) | 02:29 |
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| pixelgeek | Hmmm.. I'm wondering if the images I have that I'm flashing with are still good. | 02:39 |
| pixelgeek | Something to think about tomorrow. | 02:39 |
| araujo | pixelgeek, why using such an old image? | 02:41 |
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| pixelgeek | araujo: regression. I know I had this one working. | 02:46 |
| pixelgeek | I tried a newer one and that didn't work. | 02:46 |
| pixelgeek | So I was trying to revert back to a known good version. | 02:47 |
| pixelgeek | Is there a particular image that you know works well? | 02:47 |
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| araujo | mm... | 03:05 |
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| nazgee | Morning, I've noticed a strange issue recently. It seems, that when I work with my target (beagleboard clone, handset) and develop on rootfs mounted via nfs, uxlaunch is not able to walk through /etc/sdg/autostart dir correctly- it ignores .desktop files completely. | 10:36 |
| nazgee | When I got through some code I discovered, that the line responsible for it is "if (entry->d_type != DT_REG) continue;" | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | sounds like a bug? | 10:38 |
| nazgee | it seems that instead of regular files, unknown type is listed (DT_UNKNOWN) and it makes uxlaunch ignore it completely | 10:38 |
| nazgee | not really sure | 10:38 |
| nazgee | maybe there is some reason for NFS reporting not regular files type, but unknown one? | 10:39 |
| nazgee | maybe i messed up something with mounting my image or sth? | 10:39 |
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| nazgee | files content is ok, the only whing wrong is readdir() returning files of unknown type for some reason | 10:40 |
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| nazgee | hmmm... man readdir says: Currently, only some file systems (among them: Btrfs, ext2, ext3, and ext4) have full support returning the file type in d_type. All appli‐ cations must properly handle a return of DT_UNKNOWN. | 10:45 |
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| nazgee | I'm not sure if it means "NFS does not support it", but anyway it looks like a bug really: DT_UNKNOWN should not prevent .desktop from being parsed | 10:46 |
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| araujo | Stskeeps, coreutils OBS broken? | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | araujo: seems so, someone forgot to test their changes | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | which is @%@ why this stuff should through devel:base first | 11:17 |
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| araujo | exactly .... | 11:20 |
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| * Stskeeps now has to fix his hardfp build | 11:24 | |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly why meego gcc for arm is compiled without cloog usage | 12:37 | |
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| thiago_home | the answer to those things is usually "really? oops" | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | so it sounds like a bug? | 12:43 |
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| thiago_home | yeah | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | k | 12:46 |
| RST38h | EHLO raster | 12:47 |
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| * Stskeeps files bug 12730 | 12:49 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12730 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, NEW, MeeGo GCC for ARM is built without cloog usage | 12:49 |
| raster | RST38h: hey ho! | 12:49 |
| iekku | oh no | 12:55 |
| * iekku opened the bug link and it's weekend | 12:56 | |
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| lcukn900 | hey amin manchester, which phone shops are best for messing with live phone models? wanna take some of the macro pics and bt the results over? | 15:56 |
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| lcukn900 | cosmohill, did you get your insurance sorted? | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | £710 with Elephant >.<> | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | (that's almost twice the value of the car) | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | better at what it costs if you hit someone | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | than | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | if anything happens to my car it's a write off | 17:40 |
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| CosmoHill | i mean say I need a new bumper, they'd probably write it off | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, I tohught you had found an insurer for less? | 18:20 |
| CosmoHill | there was other charges that weren't in the online quote | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, that is always the way | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | they basically gave me a surcharge for being young | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | what I hate is that some car insurance quotes are close / more than a year at uni | 18:22 |
| CosmoHill | i mean you can afford either a car or to go to uni | 18:23 |
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| CosmoHill | sometimes you need both | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | well CosmoHill lots of uni folks do not have cars! | 18:23 |
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| CosmoHill | if you live on campus | 18:23 |
| lcuk | gd point | 18:25 |
| lcuk | is the insurance fully comprehensive? | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | yeah | 18:25 |
| lcuk | thats a bonus at least | 18:25 |
| CosmoHill | when I was playing with quotes, 1 years NCB gave you £110 off | 18:26 |
| lcuk | yeah, lots of things generally change after the first year | 18:28 |
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| CosmoHill | like university fees... | 18:31 |
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| IanWizard | Hello and good morning. Yesterday I was having trouble with how long it took for anything to load, and it was suggested that I check the disk, and if that fixed it, report back. Well, ( lcuk ), I installed it to the internel on the netbook, and that cut the times in half at least. | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | IanWizard, thats certainly positive! I wonder what happened to the external drive | 19:14 |
| lcuk | though, normally internal is faster of course :) | 19:14 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, it was a 1gb sd from MicroCenter, so it may have just been that slow, but I don't usually have problems with booting from their cards. | 19:15 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, but oh well, it's better now (still not as good as I would like, but...) | 19:15 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, also, is there anyway to tweak it (MeeGo) to play nice with lower rez? | 19:15 |
| lcuk | what is the lower resolution you are using? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | and where are you having specific problems | 19:16 |
| IanWizard | I'm on 800x480, and alot of things just run over the screen, rather than scrolling | 19:16 |
| lcuk | I am tempted to recommend keeping an eye out for the handset build, however it is not yet as feature complete as the zones netbook ui | 19:17 |
| lcuk | since the n900 is also at 800*480 | 19:17 |
| lcuk | it will have more eyes watching for small screen issues | 19:17 |
| IanWizard | I'll just get my other two problems out now too. 1. The text is sometimes, "choppy", parts of the letters just aren't there, could this be an issue with the font? 2. It always shows that I don't have a battery plugged in, could just be a motherboard driver issue, but it always shows up by default in every ver of linux that I've used. | 19:18 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, I'll try the handset release, /me wonders if it will have more driver issues, and such | 19:19 |
| lcuk | IanWizard, you wouldn't have driver issues as such since afaik everything is built on meego core | 19:21 |
| lcuk | give the usb key bootup method a try though and see how you like it :) | 19:21 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, I didn't know if it would be tweaked. I will, dloading right now | 19:21 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, btw, what does afaik stand for? I know everything else on IRC but that one. | 19:21 |
| lcuk | as far as I know | 19:23 |
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| IanWizard | lcuk, (thanks) | 19:25 |
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| IanWizard | Everytime I go to the repo.meego.com my browser thinks that it's in Indonesian, and wants to translate. | 19:26 |
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| * CosmoHill fiddles with iptabels and hopes he don't lock himself out this time | 19:30 | |
| IanWizard | CosmoHill, may the TCP be with you. | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | merci | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | my plan is to modifiy the FTP rule so that only the UK and france can have ftp access | 19:36 |
| lcuk | if you outlaw global FTP access, only criminals will access your FTP :P | 19:37 |
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| CosmoHill | only the "adminstrator" account | 19:37 |
| javispedro | oh, there's more "N9 has <INSERT_CRAPPY_PROCESSOR_THAT_IS_ON_THE_NEWS_LATELY_HERE>" threads! | 19:38 |
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| IanWizard | oh look, my download is done, now which one do I want to try first... | 19:52 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, they're so much fun, though. | 19:52 |
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| GAN900 | Frankly I think it'll be AMD, though. | 19:52 |
| GAN900 | Why else would they get behind MeeGo? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | :) | 19:53 |
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| IanWizard | I gotta go guys. lcuk, I'll let you know how handset works out. | 20:00 |
| lcuk | \o coolio | 20:00 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, before I go, I downloaded mtf, and pinetrail-mtf, I'm not certain what to use. I know I'm not pinetrail based, but I don't know what mtf is, and mine is probably close to pinetrail. | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | mtf == meegotouchframework | 20:03 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, so it's the baseline, with touch. | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | and the pinetrail images I have here have tested and booted on: lenovo s10 ideapad, lenovo x200s and packard bell onetwo allinone thingy | 20:03 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, I'll try the mtf first, thanks. | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | which ebook readers work with linux? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | hardware I mean | 20:23 |
| RST38h | fbreader | 20:23 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:23 |
| lcuk | lol preempting! | 20:23 |
| RST38h | the sino-ukrainian ones all do afaik | 20:24 |
| lcuk | none of the mass market ones yet? kindle sony ones etc? | 20:24 |
| * lcuk studies quickly then goes grabbing one | 20:25 | |
| RST38h | they are mass market ones | 20:25 |
| RST38h | just not in UK :) | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | ok, so someone ran linux on kindle fairly simply | 20:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://lbook.ua/ru/products/ | 20:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Their /en/ version is currently missing, but you will figure it out | 20:27 |
| RST38h | They are actually rather generic Chinese-made ebooks that you can buy under different OEM names around the world | 20:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, but i cannot drive to local shop and pick one of those up | 20:29 |
| RST38h | I think you can. Just let me do a bit of research. | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Google for Tianjin Jinke Electronics | 20:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: their western market brand is Hanlin eReader | 20:31 |
| lcuk | cool | 20:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you can order direct here: http://www.jinke.com.cn/Compagesql/English/embedpro/index.asp | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Will probably still have to learn Ukrainian if you need to hack together a firmware image though :) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | i dont want to have together a firmware for anything | 20:33 |
| thiago_home | kindle runs linux | 20:33 |
| lcuk | can it run meego linux? :) | 20:33 |
| sivang | thiago_home: how was the flight? | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Once it gets Pinetrail, why not? | 20:34 |
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| thiago_home | tiring | 20:34 |
| thiago_home | those economy seats had no reclining | 20:34 |
| sivang | thiago_home: oohh :/ | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Wait until they introduce standing-room-only cabins... | 20:34 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, at least you got an inside seat this time! | 20:34 |
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| thiago_home | as opposed to sitting on the fuselage? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | RST38h, standing room flights were voiced by the ultra-economy services | 20:35 |
| sivang | thiago_home: I've been trying to find the pimpl of QNAM e.g., where is d_func()->clearCache() is defined but couldn't even with the help of grep foo | 20:35 |
| RST38h | I know. | 20:35 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, wing seats are "refreshing" | 20:35 |
| sivang | lcuk: is there such a thing? | 20:35 |
| sivang | lcuk: standin only cabins? | 20:35 |
| RST38h | there are plans for them | 20:36 |
| lcuk | in the scifi thingy V (remake 2009) the shuttles upto the main ships are almost standing | 20:36 |
| lcuk | you just lean into the area | 20:36 |
| * lcuk dispenses of random knowledge | 20:38 | |
| lcuk | but i still have to pick an ebook reader | 20:38 |
| sivang | thiago_home: there was no reclining in Aer Lingus as well, but that was only a 2 hours flight | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, N900. | 20:38 |
| thiago_home | sivang: src/network/access/qnetworkaccessmanager.cpp | 20:38 |
| * sivang looks | 20:38 | |
| lcuk | GAN900, sure i have n810 fully working and happily reading books too as well as seeing my ideapad showing identical | 20:39 |
| lcuk | (scrolling big text on the 10" screen is awesome, its like film credits :$) | 20:39 |
| sivang | thiago_home: right, so this calls objectCache.clear() | 20:39 |
| lcuk | but, i want something with eink in it :) | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, meh, too many devices to carry around. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | GAN900, just for at home | 20:40 |
| sivang | GAN900: N900 does it all, for me at least. It is a loyal companion | 20:41 |
| lcuk | I only want it because I found out a sequal to one of my favorite books is out :) | 20:41 |
| sivang | reading books is just the one thing I am mising. | 20:41 |
| sivang | thiago_home: where is this object defined? I think it is a common pimpl throughout qt right? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | sequel even ffs | 20:42 |
| sivang | e.g., through abstractcache | 20:42 |
| lcuk | sivang, what are you running that does not have a bookreader on it? | 20:43 |
| thiago_home | sivang: no, each QNAM has one | 20:43 |
| thiago_home | sivang: it controls the open connections and the auth cache | 20:43 |
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| sivang | lcuk: I am reading PDFs with the Maemo PDF reader. Very hard to handle, when the text is big to be comfortable, horiztonal scrolling is annoying, when not, the text size is stressing the eyes. | 20:44 |
| sivang | thiago_home: ok | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | ahhh sivang, it will always be hard trying to read printed page style documents on a device smaller than the printed page it was taken from | 20:45 |
| lcuk | all the book formats I read adapt to screen/font size | 20:45 |
| * lcuk considers pdf crippled in this regard | 20:46 | |
| sivang | lcuk: ah that's nice | 20:48 |
| sivang | lcuk: ofcourse reading Qt's manuals and references on the N900 is not bad, although horizontal scrolling must be used as well to some extent for the fonts to be comfortable for my glasses eyes. | 20:49 |
| sivang | lcuk: e.g. off the web. | 20:49 |
| sivang | much better than pdfs, es. | 20:49 |
| sivang | yes | 20:49 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, PDF is useless for everything but printing. | 21:09 |
| CosmoHill | I hate it when I have to download a PDF just to read something | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | i mean why not put it on the website | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | the CPU discussions are annoying, does noone think about the possibility of things being parrallel, not in a straight line? :P | 21:18 |
| * Stskeeps sees no reason why there can't be many different products with different cpus and socs | 21:19 | |
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| niala1 | hello | 21:56 |
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| CosmoHill | salut niala1, comment ça va? | 21:56 |
| niala1 | hello CosmoHill, nice thank you, and you? | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | I'm good, just a bit bored | 21:57 |
| niala1 | why? | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | I just need to go play a game or something something to do | 21:58 |
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| niala1 | ah, you play chess ? | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | sometimes | 22:03 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: you know a easy server to play? | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | only ever played in person | 22:04 |
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| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.dec.html | 22:06 |
| CosmoHill | thanks Stskeeps | 22:06 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, ok, I tried both images, but I think I'm doing something wrong when flashing to the SD. (the pinetrail "encountered an error" while processing the init scripts.) I got the ia32-mtf-1.1-sda.bin image, and flashed it, but I think I need the boot image also, which I honestly don't know what to do with, I've only ever used whole .img's, or on my phone there is a separate boot partition. | 22:07 |
| niala1 | same nickname in first place on ircstat :) | 22:07 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: is #meego become sad? :) | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | niala1, only when he pays more for his car insurance | 22:34 |
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| niala1 | ouch! | 22:35 |
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| CosmoHill | also annoyed when the cover ends without them warning us | 22:41 |
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| niala1 | can i have an account on https://build.pub.meego.com/ please god of gnu. | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | niala1: you need to tell lcuk (who is over there) what your meego.com account is | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | erm, no | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt or x-fade | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | my bad | 22:49 |
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| niala1 | yes I know, | 22:50 |
| lbt | niala1: open source apps ... yes? | 22:50 |
| lbt | and what's your meego.com accountname ? | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | lbt: can you enable me too please? i want to upload my meegon generator, it's open source (at least it will be when i figure out how to upload it) | 22:51 |
| lbt | ali1234: done | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | thanks | 22:51 |
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| lbt | bbiab | 22:53 |
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| * CosmoHill offers hot chocolate | 22:55 | |
| niala1 | and amsn but amsn with an error but he works. | 22:55 |
| niala1 | oh i m kicked ? | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | ping timeout | 22:56 |
| niala1 | ok sorry | 22:56 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt et lcuk, QI XL on BBC1 | 22:59 |
| niala1 | what a strange code CosmoHill. :) | 23:01 |
| CosmoHill | I sneezed | 23:02 |
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| CosmoHill | niala1: if you get bbc2 you should watch too | 23:02 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: seem like french ip are not allowed | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm watching it now with some dutch and belgium freinds because they get BBC1 and 2 on satalite / cabel | 23:04 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: http://webactu-webtv.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=2450 missing plugin on meego chrome. works for you ? | 23:06 |
| niala1 | i need install mplayer plug-in | 23:06 |
| niala1 | meego need plug-in ... | 23:06 |
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| CosmoHill | wants me to install flip4mac | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | the stream will work fine on VLC | 23:06 |
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| niala1 | humpf vlc another thing who is not on meego.. | 23:07 |
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| Teth0ruX | Hi i have a samsung N220 and my wifi does not work | 23:34 |
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| CosmoHill | okay, are you using MeeGo? | 23:36 |
| Teth0ruX | yea | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | do you have a broadcom card? | 23:37 |
| Teth0ruX | no i mean the internal card | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | yes, the wifi, is it made by broadcom? | 23:37 |
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| Teth0ruX | hm | 23:37 |
| Teth0ruX | can i see this in meego? | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | maybe, lspci | 23:38 |
| Teth0ruX | Or have i boot ubuntu | 23:38 |
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| Teth0ruX | yes | 23:38 |
| Teth0ruX | broadcom | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html | 23:39 |
| Teth0ruX | ah nice thanks | 23:39 |
| Teth0ruX | and one other question | 23:39 |
| Teth0ruX | when i start meego.. there appears a error.. something like /media could not mounted or so | 23:40 |
| Teth0ruX | how could i change this? | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | I wouldn't know, have you tried closing your eyes and pretending it's not there? | 23:40 |
| CosmoHill | maybe check the mailing list or forum | 23:40 |
| Teth0ruX | hehe | 23:41 |
| nazgee|zZz | crap, i'm too tired for it tonight. goodnight | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | kudos for booting meego on a non-nokia device | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | bye nazgee|zZz | 23:41 |
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| Teth0ruX | okay | 23:41 |
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| niala1 | error is on live. It's disappear once it's installed | 23:42 |
| lbt | niala1: back,,,, you want the community OBS? | 23:42 |
| lbt | for opensource apps? | 23:42 |
| Teth0ruX | nice thanks | 23:43 |
| niala1 | lbt: yes just to share my rpm | 23:44 |
| lbt | what's your meego.com account ? | 23:45 |
| niala1 | question about .spe | 23:45 |
| niala1 | niala | 23:45 |
| lbt | OK, done | 23:45 |
| niala1 | thank you lbt | 23:46 |
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