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| vgrade1 | ali1234, not you night for pw's | 00:07 |
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| ali1234 | i use the poor man's SSO: i don't even try to remember passwords and just click "forgot" always | 00:07 |
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| ali1234 | every time i try to "osc commit" i get this: http://pastebin.com/bMrUq9Bc | 00:10 |
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| ali1234 | *sigh* http://imagebin.org/133626 | 00:13 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think they could make OBS any more confusing and self contradictory if they tried... | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | hang on a minute... i'm not going to be able to build a rpm against ubuntu... | 00:19 |
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| berndhs | ali1234: the opensuse build service lets you build .debs too | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah but i don't want to build a deb, i want to build a rpm :) | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | target distro is irrelevant, i want to see if the spec file generated by autospectacle actually works | 00:28 |
| berndhs | of course you are correct, Ubuntu is against building RPMs on philosophical grounds | 00:28 |
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| ali1234 | not just that, OBS won't even do it anyway... | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | it won't build a deb from a spec file | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | and it won't build a rpm from a debian/control | 00:29 |
| berndhs | a lot of libraries have different names between fedora and opensuse, so the same spec file often doesnt work for both | 00:29 |
| berndhs | meego seems to use opensuse style lib names | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | i forgot about that | 00:30 |
| vgrade1 | ali1234, did you edit your ~/.oscrc file | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | this means i won't be able to build a working spec file unless i can build locally | 00:30 |
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| ali1234 | which kind of defeats the whole purpose of OBS | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | vgrade1: what for? | 00:31 |
| berndhs | OBS builds on different architecture targets for example | 00:31 |
| vgrade1 | to make osc work | 00:31 |
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| ali1234 | vgrade1: well, no. why do i have to edit it? | 00:31 |
| vgrade1 | is has your OBS server and authentication details in it | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | yes, that part works fine | 00:32 |
| vgrade1 | ok sorry I though you had problems with the commit | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah i do | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | it has nothing to do with authentication though | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | because i checked out the empty project just fine | 00:33 |
| vgrade1 | ok so you then copied in the spec gz etc | 00:34 |
| vgrade1 | then did an osc addremove | 00:34 |
| vgrade1 | then osc commit | 00:34 |
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| ali1234 | no, actually i tried to upload them through the web interface | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | that failed | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | then i tried to delete the half created broken package and then commit, and then that failed too | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | now i have created a new project because i can't fix the first one | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't even show on my list of projects for some reason | 00:35 |
| vgrade1 | ok , my workflow is here, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade, with the public OBS | 00:36 |
| vgrade1 | good luck | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | so, i tried what you just said next, and it works up until "osc commit" | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | then i get the same error as before | 00:36 |
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| vgrade1 | http://old.nabble.com/'osc-commit'-now-requires-osc-source_validator--td29871140.html | 00:38 |
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| ali1234 | yes, that seems unrelated | 00:38 |
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| nazgee | is there a convinient way to check wchich packages will be installed in a group marked with @ in .ks file? | 00:41 |
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| ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/M05gECPu | 00:47 |
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| FinboySlick | Anyone here has experience with the emgd driver released for meego? | 06:04 |
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| FinboySlick | vgrade1: ping | 06:10 |
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| hlzxy | anybody tell me something about obs work principle ,I mean how it add packages to repos . | 08:01 |
| hlzxy | anybody can tell me something about obs work principle ? I mean how it add packages to repos . | 08:02 |
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| Bostik | hlzxy: packages to build against (as in, your "target" repo) or built packages from your sources? | 08:11 |
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| hlzxy | Bostikļ¼ packages created by my sources code. as I know it store the build resualt in RPMS and SRPMS, and I see them in repos , I want to know how it do that | 08:16 |
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| Bostik | well, under the hood it simply copies the result files into a separate path which again is served by any regular httpd | 08:20 |
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| Bostik | there are a few steps involved since the files are built inside a worker instance but in principle that's all there is to it | 08:21 |
| hlzxy | Bostik: could you tell somthing about it ,I mean some files or commands relate this process | 08:22 |
| hlzxy | I just want to change the repos' structure. | 08:23 |
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| Bostik | hmh, I thought there was some nice documentation on setting up your own OBS.. | 08:24 |
| Bostik | a minute | 08:24 |
| tcs-meego | i did a zypper source-install kernel.. it download all the rpms where does it unpack them? i dont see it at usr/src/kernels | 08:25 |
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| hlzxy | tcs-meego:maybe in /var/cache/zypp/ | 08:30 |
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| Bostik | hlzxy: I was wrong, there isn't a concise overview but the component you need to look at is bs_publisher; it is responsible for pulling packages and placing them to the "visible" outside repos | 08:30 |
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| hlzxy | Bostik: thanks,i will see it right now | 08:31 |
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| tcs-meego | hlzxy: the rpm is there in /var/cache/zypp .. but the unpacked stuff .. i cant find | 08:32 |
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| mkaran | hi | 08:47 |
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| mkaran | I am new to meego and OBS | 08:48 |
| mkaran | I am trying to create new branch in web OBS | 08:48 |
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| mkaran | I have given project name as MeeGo:1.0:Core:Handset | 08:49 |
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| mkaran | but the package name I am not able to get | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | tell a bit about your setup? | 08:50 |
| mkaran | I want to get Gstreamer package | 08:50 |
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| mkaran | Stskeeps: I have created a meego account and have an account in https://build.pub.meego.com | 08:51 |
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| mkaran | Stskeeps:now at my home project i am trying to create new project | 08:52 |
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| mkaran | please can anybody help me out? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | mkaran: so, you want to branch gstreamer package? | 08:56 |
| mkaran | yes | 08:56 |
| mkaran | Stskeeps:yes | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, community obs doesn't have a link to the main OBS so you need to import the src.rpm with osc importsrck | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | importsrcpkg | 08:56 |
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| mkaran | Stskeeps:ok ,Thanks :) will try that | 08:58 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: hi , I meet a problem when I set up obs, can you help me? | 09:08 |
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| seshucl | <Stskeeps> How are you? Well is meego 1.1 supporting intel GMA 500 | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | seshucl: badly, 1.0 or 1.2 probably is a better target | 09:10 |
| seshucl | Where can I get 1.2? | 09:11 |
| tcs-meego | hi there.. i did a zypper si kernel and zypper si kernel-headers.. it does a retrieving of the rpm and storing them in cache.. but its not isntalling .. i even tried rpm -i on those files.. does anyone know where they are unpacked? they arent there in /usr/src | 09:12 |
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| Termana | morning | 09:18 |
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| hlzxy | Bostik:online? | 09:43 |
| Bostik | yeah, but working hard | 09:44 |
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| Bostik | I'm just a regular OBS end-user, not an admin so I might be the wrong person to ask questions on how to modify autogenerated repo structures, if that's on your mind :) | 09:44 |
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| hlzxy | Bostik: no, I think you are right. but it is writeen by perl and so long ,so I need try in another obs, I just set up a new one and meet s problem and want to get help from you. | 09:47 |
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| giGGler | hi | 10:06 |
| giGGler | I have an ION platform (atom 330) | 10:07 |
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| giGGler | I've read meego does not support nvidia but is there a hack or something I could patch to make it work? | 10:07 |
| giGGler | didn't find anytihng :( | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | giGGler: recompile Xorg with XINERAMA | 10:11 |
| giGGler | lol | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not kidding | 10:11 |
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| giGGler | sure | 10:11 |
| tyson_ | Hi,everyone, i want to replace the meego kernel(behind the /boot folder). but failed. could you tell me some info? thanks for your reply.. | 10:12 |
| giGGler | I thought meego was a OS for real life ppl | 10:12 |
| giGGler | abyway, how might I do that? | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | giGGler: it's a platform, actually | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: make a new kernel | 10:13 |
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| giGGler | stskeeps: a platform is not for users, is just for experts | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | giGGler: well, it's a decent platform if most things work out of box, but nvidia has closed source binaries and we can't distribute those in meego | 10:14 |
| giGGler | bad news then | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | people had it working by recompiling Xorg (and providing xinerama-enabled packages | 10:15 |
| giGGler | but jolicloud does support my netbook (asus 1201n) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | look at forum.meego.com | 10:15 |
| giGGler | ok | 10:15 |
| giGGler | I will | 10:15 |
| giGGler | thanks!!! | 10:15 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i will change some source code, such as driver code. so i just replace the meego kernel . | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: yes, grab a kernel package and modify that in your OBS | 10:15 |
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| hlzxy | anyone met this promblem when create obs with opensuse11.2 : http://pastebin.com/xi9A7WAA | 10:16 |
| giGGler | I am not running linux but osx | 10:17 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: sorry, i don't use OBS. i used the runtime enviroment( meego sdk). and download the kernel-xxx.src.rpm. then copy the kernel.xxx.src.rpm to the runtime enviroment for compile the kernel.xxx.src.rpm. then i can find bzImage in the /arch/x86/boot. so i want to replace this. | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: you should build the rpm and best way to do this is by a OBS | 10:23 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: you mean: i need uncompress the kernel.xxx.src.rpm. and then copy the uncompress things to obs. then let the obs compile. yer or no? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: yes | 10:30 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeos: obs's output is the rpms. how i find the meego kernel and replace it. | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | it's in src.rpm | 10:33 |
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| poutsi | hey, anybody here familiar with the meego packaging guidelines? | 10:33 |
| poutsi | I'm wondering about the version number scheme | 10:34 |
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| poutsi | you're supposed to add any arbitrary postfixes like "beta" to the version field of the spec file, right? and you're supposed to separate them from the x.y.z version number with a tilde, right? | 10:34 |
| poutsi | so I'd have e.g. 0.1.5~beta1 | 10:34 |
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| poutsi | but say I'm autobuilding from tags in a git repo | 10:35 |
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| poutsi | I can't have a git tag with a ~ in id | 10:35 |
| poutsi | s/id/it/ | 10:35 |
| infobot | poutsi meant: I can't have a git tag with a ~ in it | 10:35 |
| poutsi | it's bothersome :) | 10:36 |
| lcuk | poutsi, I thought you stored the versions inside changelogs and things? | 10:36 |
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| lcuk | what happens when you build from tar.gz? | 10:37 |
| poutsi | probably all is fine and dandy | 10:37 |
| poutsi | but let's assume I can't | 10:38 |
| poutsi | and even if I could, I'd still like to have a package version === git tag 1-to-1 relationship | 10:38 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i don't know what's your mean. i tell you i want to do. i flashed the meego-handset-ia32-mtf-devel-1.1.80.6.20101116.1-sda.bin to the sd card( using the dd command). and i want to replace its kernel. i used the bzImage generate by runtime enviroment to replace the sda.bin kernel. | 10:44 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: thanks your reply... | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: right, and this is done through installing a new kernel package and making a mic2 build | 10:45 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i chroot the sda.bin, and directry its bzImage used the runtime enviroment generated bzImage. but failed. | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | if you're manually editing your image, you're doing it wrong | 10:52 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: but if you want to repalace the meego kernel, i think you must manually. | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | no, you should do that with mic .ks files | 10:57 |
| tyson_ | if you use the ks file, you are not replace the meego kernel. you are generate all the image. althought the file system don't change. | 10:59 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps:i mean replace meego kernel. not generate the image again. | 11:01 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps:if you use the ks file, you are not replace the meego kernel. you are generate all the image. althought the file system don't change. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | meego kernel comes in a .rpm. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | that is installed into a image. | 11:02 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: linux=kernel image+file system. the same as meego. | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | you're not paying attention.. :P meego kernel is usually (for x86) in /boot/vmlinuz* and that is installed when file system is made | 11:04 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: yes, i want to replace the /boot/vmlinuz*. so i compile the meego kernel. and generate the bzImage. it is vmlinuz. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's actually a bzImage, name is just weird. | 11:06 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: yes. i compile the kernel.xxx.src.rpm. output is bzImage. so i think i can replace the bzImage in the sda.bin ..but failed. | 11:08 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i fixed it | 11:39 |
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| jonwil | stskeeps: ping | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 11:42 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: go home..see you | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, roger, anyone else? | 13:14 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about ofono? | 14:24 |
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| miojala | What information was needed from oFono? | 14:30 |
| jonwil | I want to know how one tells ofono cell broadcast code which cell broadcast channel we are interested in | 14:30 |
| jonwil | how does that work? | 14:30 |
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| miojala | jonwil: sorry, haven't checked that one out so I think I will only confuse you. Try #ofono channel. I think there you will get better answers. | 14:34 |
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| valianholt | Hello | 14:38 |
| valianholt | is there any place/site where to but MeeGo stuff like T-Shirts, muggs, towels? | 14:39 |
| valianholt | but - buy * | 14:39 |
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| giGGler | hiya all | 15:00 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 15:00 |
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| giGGler | Ia m trying to install meego on a 1201n (ION) netbook | 15:01 |
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| CosmoHill | MeeGo currently doesn't support Nvidia graphics | 15:01 |
| giGGler | the installation showed an unsuporteg card error but run smoothly | 15:01 |
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| giGGler | I have a guide for moblin to recompile proprietary drivers for moblin | 15:02 |
| CosmoHill | good luck with that | 15:02 |
| giGGler | well | 15:02 |
| giGGler | the first thing is to boot in text mode | 15:02 |
| giGGler | i couldn't | 15:03 |
| giGGler | i got a boot: prompt | 15:03 |
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| CosmoHill | when you see the boot loader, press escapse, edit the boot option to replace "quiet" with "3" | 15:03 |
| giGGler | sorry to say that but I did, but then boot: prompt | 15:03 |
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| giGGler | after BIOS startup I press esc like crazy | 15:05 |
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| giGGler | am I wasting my time? | 15:08 |
| CosmoHill | do you see the boot loader at all? | 15:08 |
| giGGler | not yet | 15:08 |
| CosmoHill | it's a big blue screen with white text | 15:08 |
| CosmoHill | it sounds like it might not have installed that | 15:09 |
| giGGler | old-bios like? | 15:09 |
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| giGGler | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh | 15:10 |
| giGGler | I think I catch it | 15:10 |
| giGGler | Press [tab] to edit options | 15:11 |
| giGGler | is that screen? | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOwosIZrcho | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | that's it | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | thhat video has a pic of the boot loader in it | 15:11 |
| CosmoHill | back in 20 | 15:11 |
| giGGler | ok | 15:11 |
| giGGler | znx | 15:11 |
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| newcomer | is meego-sdk fully working on ubuntu 10.04 64bit? | 15:20 |
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| lcuk | well at least someone is listening to my ideas. after posting about this last year now apple have a patent for it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/apple_touchscreen_mouse_patent_filing/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q | 15:28 |
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| * CosmoHill is also bleeding, brb | 15:31 | |
| lcuk | cool CosmoHill | 15:32 |
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| * lcuk thinks its weekend already | 15:36 | |
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| tcs-meego | Cosmohill: i am trying to do something similar to what giGGLer is trying to do .. i tried getting the 2.6.37-6.10 kernel source and made the nvidiafb as a module.. and we are in text mode now.. i modprobed nvidiafb .. how do i start the display ? | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | * '''Be Patient''': Folks might not be around when you ask a question so wait a while for someone to speak before leaving. | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | how does that sound? | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | tcs-meego: if you type "startx" you will get TWM | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | if you want to fully boot meego type "init 5" | 15:40 |
| CosmoHill | this might cause your computer to hang tho | 15:40 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: what do you think of these two additions to the IRC guidelines? | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | # Be Patient: Folks might not be around when you ask a question so wait a while for someone to speak before leaving. | 15:42 |
| CosmoHill | # Don't Private Message: Ask permission before you send someone a private message (PM) as not everyone likes them. | 15:42 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, "Investigate first where possible" | 15:43 |
| * RST38h does not understand the "do not pm" thing | 15:43 | |
| Stskeeps | my reasoning is that if people ask in public and get answers in public, instead of private message, this can be found by people in future and learn from it | 15:43 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: is it the wording? | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, in a room of 500 people, PM random folks doesn't usually happen anyway | 15:44 |
| RST38h | No, the rule itself. If I do not want you to PM me, I will /ignore MSGS | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | no need ot ask | 15:45 |
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| CosmoHill | "* '''Don't Private Message''': Ask permission before you send someone a private message (PM) as not everyone likes them. Also by keeping it in public others with similar issues can see the solution you were given." | 15:47 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: from my experisnce you say one or two helpful things to a person who is new to IRC and they PM you | 15:48 |
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| CosmoHill | not all of them but some do, often saying they don't want to look stupid in th channel | 15:48 |
| lcuk | speaking of which, can you stop PMing me :P | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | never! | 15:48 |
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| Myrtti | on big channels that are limited to mostly support issues, discouraging PM's is a good policy | 15:50 |
| Myrtti | I've seen countless cases of the helper actually not helping and being malicious in pm | 15:51 |
| CosmoHill | I'm thinking of starting to log #lfs-support since the issues people have seem to repeat themselfs | 15:52 |
| CosmoHill | and if the answers are in PMs then others won't get help | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | and will come into the channel and ask the same question | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, yes, support issues tend to come in waves | 15:55 |
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| Myrtti | "Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being askedfor permission to do so first." | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | ++ | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | ++ | 15:57 |
| timoph | ++ | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | that's slightly more than a bullet point | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | I think that should be added under the bullet points for guide lines tho | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | tarrar | 16:00 |
| Myrtti | that's directly from the Ubuntu bot | 16:02 |
| Myrtti | btw | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, cool, since its not from your own fine hand, perhaps submit a typo/space correction "being askedfor" | 16:04 |
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| Myrtti | good point | 16:05 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: looks like some of the bots are out of sync, the main bot has it right | 16:06 |
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| lcuk | heh, PM the botmaster then and tell him his PM message is out of sync | 16:06 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: or it could be my copypaste typo | 16:07 |
| Myrtti | yeah, it is | 16:07 |
| lcuk | how is your shoulder today? | 16:07 |
| Myrtti | better than yesterday, still not totally ok | 16:08 |
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| RST38h | Ah, hello Myrtti | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: please send IRC guidelines past meego-community before altering them | 16:32 |
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| amorphous_ | Hi - am excited as you like. I got a new s10-3t. want to get meego on, but having issues with partition resizing. Looks like it has 4 primary partitions on it, but they all show as ntfs and all show 0MB. anyone else had issues like this? no joy googling (for me anyways. any help much appreciated. | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | amorphous_, during the install I think it defaults to just filling the disk? | 16:48 |
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| amorphous_ | lcuk: , it wasn't having that and I didn't really want to kill the win setup. think default was remove linux partitions. either way I was asking to shrink partition & use free space. | 16:50 |
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| amorphous_ | no gparted either :( | 16:51 |
| lcuk | amorphous_, not sure then, there does not seem to be an NTFS driver available either (which I assume would be needed to shrink windows) | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | best I can suggest is burn yourself recovery disk set (if such an option exists) | 16:52 |
| lcuk | :) then find a way to make it work | 16:52 |
| amorphous_ | Hmmm... | 16:52 |
| amorphous_ | < definately like 'instant'! | 16:52 |
| amorphous_ | ok - thanks lcuk | 16:53 |
| amorphous_ | :) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | amorphous_, well I just wiped out the windows install at the conf when we got meego devices | 16:53 |
| lcuk | never ran Windows, nothing to miss :) | 16:53 |
| lcuk | also qt seems to run really slow in windows on the ideapad | 16:54 |
| lcuk | at the conf there were demonstrations and the versions of same app on even the n8 ran faster | 16:54 |
| * lcuk giggled at that | 16:54 | |
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| amorphous_ | lcuk: didn't really want to touch win, but didn't want to brok it either... maybe sell it on one day... ;) | 17:02 |
| amorphous_ | *bork | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | amorphous_, then burn recovery disk set | 17:03 |
| lcuk | was it a conference device, ie principle purpose to have a wander round meego? | 17:03 |
| amorphous_ | yeah (i think so) just to check it out. I been ubuntu for years, redhat before (but must be pushing 8 years?) but still just a user really | 17:05 |
| amorphous_ | just started uni and wanting to get into dev | 17:05 |
| lcuk | amorphous_, cool stuff | 17:06 |
| amorphous_ | so wanted to have a look with a view to becoming useful | 17:06 |
| amorphous_ | recovery disk set, is that an option inside win? and do you know if i can do it to a HDD? sorry just after a pointer then i'll leave u alone... | 17:07 |
| lcuk | amorphous_, the only windows machine in our house offers to burn recovery disks, I thought that was standard practice now | 17:08 |
| amorphous_ | ok i'll venture into the the land of morder... :( | 17:08 |
| * lcuk should look more closely at Windows | 17:08 | |
| mwichmann | sure burning is an option on win boxes that don't come with cds, | 17:09 |
| mwichmann | but it's a little harder on a netbook with no optical drive.... | 17:09 |
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| amorphous_ | yep! | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | mwichmann, i had that problem 2 years ago with my lenovo x41 | 17:10 |
| lcuk | easily solved with a usb burner | 17:10 |
| mwichmann | external drives sometimes work (and sometimes too slow thru usb), but that's something you hafta pay for :( | 17:10 |
| lcuk | well now - the Ā£30 or whatever it was was worth it | 17:11 |
| lcuk | since on the rare occasions need a cd/dvd its there :) | 17:11 |
| mwichmann | I'd think so | 17:11 |
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| hirabayashitaro | I didn't find any useful information about it on the net. I was wondering if an improvement of the contacts for fitting more fields of the vcard format is planned (with improvement I'm referring to the actual maemo software). Anyone knows anything about it? | 17:16 |
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| lcuk | WANTED: (serious request) Macro photos of your monitor taken with your phone. http://bit.ly/hxYJxS #rt #meego http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/28473859623620610 | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, can I take them with my 7D? :P | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, yes actually | 17:52 |
| lcuk | if you hold directly on the screen, it will be an interesting comparison | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | i want to see just how focusable things are with phone flat on the surface | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | my own testing isn't enough | 17:53 |
| * lcuk trying to confirm hypothosis | 17:54 | |
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| barroca | When the kernel will be upgraded to 2.6.37? Is there any schedule for kernel releases on MeeGo? | 19:18 |
| andre__ | barroca, http://wiki.meego.com/Core_OS_Program/Kernel_policy | 19:19 |
| barroca | andre__:thanks, some times the search engines doesn't work as expected :-) | 19:20 |
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| giGGler | andre__: what are the relevant platforms the wiki is refering to? | 19:35 |
| giGGler | ion? | 19:35 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: what's this about photos of monitors? | 19:39 |
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| giGGler | could someone explain this: " it has become clear that we have several hardware vendors/devices that are relevant for MeeGo, but for which the supporting code is not upstream yet"plz" | 19:41 |
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| giGGler | its on the wiki | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | giGGler: meego works on the Nokia n900 | 19:41 |
| mwichmann | what needed explaining? | 19:41 |
| giGGler | it could be great to know if ion is on the list | 19:41 |
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| CosmoHill | Nvidia (and therefore ION) is not supported | 19:42 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, for some definitions of "works". | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | a loose definiion | 19:42 |
| giGGler | i know, but just wonder if it's on the roadmap | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | giGGler: not sure | 19:43 |
| giGGler | znx | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: sorry about editin, i didn't know | 19:43 |
| giGGler | i have tried jolicloud today and... well | 19:44 |
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| giGGler | it degraded very quickly | 19:44 |
| giGGler | just opened twitter (cjromium, in fact) and typing is slow :( | 19:44 |
| giGGler | I just know a little about meeGo but looks the only decent challenger | 19:45 |
| giGGler | osx runs smoothly on the same machine | 19:45 |
| giGGler | but just wanted a fastboot/low battery usage/simple OS | 19:47 |
| giGGler | to dualboot | 19:47 |
| giGGler | :( | 19:47 |
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| giGGler | holy shit!!! | 19:51 |
| giGGler | plugged the powercord using jolicloud and it runs smooth | 19:51 |
| mwichmann | that sounds like the power policies aren't quite sane | 19:52 |
| mwichmann | cpu speed way down when on battery? | 19:52 |
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| giGGler | not sure cpu | 19:57 |
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| giGGler | gonna get to jolicloud support | 19:57 |
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| giGGler | l8r | 19:57 |
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| wmarone | I'm still trying to find out what parts of jolicloud are open source, and what's just a proprietary layer on top. | 19:58 |
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| prudhvi | Hi, do we have any meego enabled mobile phones in the market, that are not N900 and the Aava based ones? | 20:31 |
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| CosmoHill | not currently | 20:32 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | The WeTab has a SIM slot, but I think that the 3G network is intended to be used for data, as with the Kindle, rather than for voice. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, also side talkin will be a bit harsh | 20:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I'm eagerly awaiting the day when I see someone holding a laptop to their ear. | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, I believe people said the same when Nokia released the Booklet 3g | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, the photos of monitor thing | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | its trying to see just how close macro zoom is on different devices | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | theres already some posts with actual readable text, the macro on MohammadAG's phone is quite cool actually | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I have a Nokia 6220 Classic and Nokia D70, would you like them? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | sure | 20:51 |
| lcuk | its just for giggles anyway | 20:51 |
| lcuk | the hard work will come afterwards | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:52 |
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| Robot101 | :S KFC | 20:54 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: okay maybe trying my 70 ~ 300mm macro lens was a bit stupid | 20:54 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | So, as qgil will notice, our new Nokia facility in Sunnyvale CA has many large public displays showing PR material and running Win7. I notice that they're Eee PCs with USB drives and 1080i monitors . . . and they aren't in locked cases! | 20:55 |
| CosmoHill | you press focus and it pokes the monitor | 20:55 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, when you grab one of them, WATCH THE DOORS. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, but meego should run on them, netbook is quite happy on eee class machines | 20:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I was more thinking about UXlauncher on every one of them. Do we have a meego animation to show? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | handset builds though aren't as usable | 20:56 |
| lcuk | there was a great one at the conf actually | 20:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I'm running handset on WeTab, and yeah, it doesn't look so great. Oh, I forgot to mention, the Samsung 1080i displays are touchscreens! | 20:57 |
| lcuk | and afaik theres a meego demo film/animation on netbook install | 20:57 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, yeah - i have a 1080p allinone packard bell unit here | 20:57 |
| lcuk | multitouch | 20:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, it's time for a MeeGo black ops team! Ninja-suited commandos with USB drives in leather belt-mounted sheaths. | 20:58 |
| lcuk | lovely things, but for some reason I cannot draw boobies on it! | 20:58 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, heh, you and quim in ninja silks sounds amusing :D | 20:58 |
| lcuk | you would have to have one of you drop in from the ceiling :D | 20:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, perhaps quim and I should dress as MeeGons instead. But are any of the MeeGons girls? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | there's a few, i think | 20:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yes lcuk, quim and I will crawl to the Eee PCs through the ventilation ducts rather than take the stairs as we usually do. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | whatever you do, do not have a red shirt meegon! | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: top 3 files; Nokia_ and Nikon_: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ | 21:02 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, can you stick em on the forum please, I am hunting for something | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | okay | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | they'll be links as they are too big to post as imamges | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | *images | 21:03 |
| lcuk | [img]http://url[/img] | 21:03 |
| lcuk | and it shows just like the others | 21:03 |
| CosmoHill | okay but it will be huge | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | ahh found it! | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, crawling through the jefferies tubes: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qLaw2pbdYIk/TGPqlwHU5II/AAAAAAAAAgw/PIbZPlPrMfk/s1600/ExpendableSmall.jpg | 21:08 |
| * lcuk thinks those are awesome star trek meegons | 21:08 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: uploaded and posted them to the forum with small previews, if you click on them you get the orginal image | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | ooh cool beans :D those are almost readable | 21:16 |
| lcuk | and certainly gather plenty of contrast | 21:16 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, was surprised that the word "open" is actually readable on MohammadAG's | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | almost readable? you're not looking at mine then :p | 21:17 |
| lcuk | i am | 21:17 |
| lcuk | using vnc I get low color | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | yeah me to | 21:17 |
| lcuk | and compared to the others I can make out word groupings on yours | 21:18 |
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| CosmoHill | I have another one I took bout 4cm away from the screen | 21:18 |
| lcuk | someone suggested redoing the experiment but using a lattice/grid photo for comparable shots, but its not that specific | 21:19 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ahh well, you see 4cm away is too far ;) | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | ah I see what you're aiming at | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | you want to use the n900 as a bluetooth mouse don't you? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | or whatever device MohammadAG has | 21:20 |
| lcuk | and I want to see if any existing devices can happily macro zoom to flat surface | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | N86 | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | I lurk a lot :p | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | or whether workable images can come out of them | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | on my desk with my n900, I can turn on the red privacy light and see woodgrain moving as I move the mouse | 21:21 |
| lcuk | err phone | 21:21 |
| CosmoHill | I duno what nokias my dad has but they're cheapish business ones | 21:21 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, tracy tried it with her ancient 7373 | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | no macro or anything :P | 21:23 |
| anidel | Interested in a K850i shot as well lcuk? | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | I got something else for you lcuk but I need to strip the audio | 21:23 |
| lcuk | anidel, for sure! the more the merrier | 21:23 |
| anidel | you said Nokia phones, so wasn't sure | 21:24 |
| * lcuk never seen just how close macro zoom can get on any device | 21:24 | |
| lcuk | yeah, i should edit that slightly | 21:24 |
| anidel | :) | 21:24 |
| lcuk | ta, done | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | at least 2 new meego.com signups today just to post on that thread :P | 21:26 |
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| IanWizard | I hate to ask, but, why is meego sooo slow? I was using it on my old Eee 4G, which I'm converting to a tablet, but MeeGo just wont keep up. The specs are plenty sufficient. Is there anything that I can do to get reasonable speeds? It was the latest 1.1.80 as of yesterday. | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | IanWizard: do you have the power plugged in? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard: debugging kernel probably carries a bit reason | 21:27 |
| anidel | posted lcuk | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | since you're on 1.1.80 | 21:27 |
| anidel | in the forum | 21:27 |
| lcuk | hmm IanWizard - do you mean the netbook build? where specifically are you noticing it slow? | 21:28 |
| IanWizard | CosmoHill, no, I didn't. | 21:28 |
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| anidel | Stskeeps: I went into the touchscreen not working after the 1st reboot bug yesterday :( | 21:28 |
| IanWizard | Stskeeps, yea, but I was having this on the standard releases too. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | IanWizard: what specs of device? | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | and what vertical? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | IanWizard, specific slow areas | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | anidel: yeah, it's happening more often now | 21:29 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, yes, the netbook build, and the interface (the bit that actually is meego) is what was slow | 21:29 |
| IanWizard | it's either 1gb, or 512 of ram, and a 800Mhz cpu | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | ssse3? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | ian, slow bouncy wavey bits, or slow opening different tabs | 21:30 |
| lcuk | ie graphics slow or cpu slow | 21:30 |
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| IanWizard | the system itself was just fine, but the UI took forever to load a different tab | 21:30 |
| lcuk | cpu/mem/disk | 21:31 |
| lcuk | did this specifically come on | 21:31 |
| lcuk | or has it always done this | 21:31 |
| IanWizard | animations were snappy too, but it took forever to do anything | 21:31 |
| IanWizard | lcuk, IIRC it was quicker with 1.0, I guess it's since 1.1 | 21:32 |
| vgrade1 | wmarone, hi | 21:32 |
| lcuk | IanWizard, my missus complained the other day about EVERYTHING taking ages - it turned out her disk had a corruption, perhaps check theres no gremlins being raised in dmesg | 21:32 |
| lcuk | anidel, what is that picture of | 21:32 |
| anidel | monitor, as you said | 21:33 |
| lcuk | from the other side of the room it looks like the sharing icon | 21:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, but what was on the screen at the time | 21:33 |
| anidel | no it's just some random black text on white | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: incase you're interested, I took a video with my 6220C of me moving it about the screen | 21:33 |
| lcuk | cool | 21:33 |
| anidel | but I am wondering why you need those? | 21:33 |
| anidel | I mean if you put your phone ON the screen.. what can focus that close? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | anidel, interest in camera optics and how it picks up things | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | anidel: he's hoping we've all forgotten to remove geotagging | 21:34 |
| lcuk | anidel, putting phone on your desk is the aim | 21:34 |
| lcuk | to use as a mouse | 21:34 |
| anidel | @CosmoHill: glad I have no GPS in that phone then :D | 21:34 |
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| anidel | lcuk: ah I see | 21:34 |
| lcuk | but for comparison easier talking about monitor | 21:34 |
| anidel | yup | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | I only found out today my phone supports geotagging :/ | 21:34 |
| * lcuk goes and beers anyway | 21:34 | |
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| IanWizard | lcuk, it may be the disk, I'll try flashing to internal | 21:34 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, >> forum | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: will do | 21:35 |
| lcuk | IanWizard, \o come back and let us know if theres a difference | 21:35 |
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| magius_pendragon | if I wanted to build a kernel module, what sources should I build against? where would I get them? | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, I almost sent you to the gitorious site for the kernel then | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | but kernels changed a bit - specifically which device are you wanting to build for | 21:56 |
| magius_pendragon | intel atom, netbook image | 21:57 |
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| ali1234 | pointing to a git repo for headers for out-of-tree module compiling is always wrong anyway | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | you need specific headers generated when the kernel is compiled | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | otherwise you'll get "bad magic" | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | magius_pendragon: kernel-XXXX-devel | 22:05 |
| magius_pendragon | Stskeeps: thank you | 22:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, whats the real link to that? | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: pr0n, duh | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | :D | 22:07 |
| lcuk | that cannot be anything worse than lemon tree porn | 22:07 |
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| Tm_T | ... | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | "Weirdest Porn Intro Ever (Clean besides language) " http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVYGqP1OGQg0 | 22:09 |
| lcuk | :O holy smokes it auto bolded it | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | that reminds me, i was going to ask on another channel if it's possible to have 2 X11 screens on 1 monitor... | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: xephyr? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | i suppose that would work, but it's not really what i want | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: random question, who is your car insursed with? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: hack kernel and make two framebuffers appear? ;) | 22:10 |
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| ali1234 | no, that won't work either, i need to use nvidia | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | i would probably have to hack X11 | 22:11 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, to the #meego-bar ->> | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | you could just PM me | 22:12 |
| CosmoHill | cos I'd go to the bar, you tell me and I'd leave | 22:12 |
| lcuk | bah, tesco | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | now I see why you wanted to say in the bar... | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | :p | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: next question, why would you want to? | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | to embed VBI data into the video stream while still being able to run programs (think video player) "fullscreen" | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'm with...was with the coop | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | insurance ran out midnight last night, on monday they'll probably give us a call to remind us | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: use composition? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, i wanted to go to the bar because people were talking technical and we can ramble and be off topic there | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: that won't work for loads of programs | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | for one thing i need pixel accuracy in both screens | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | think "gnome-panel" | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | it always wants to be at 0,0 | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | i need it to be at 0,33 | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm talking about x11 composite, using a window manager, but ok | 22:18 |
| ali1234 | likewise, all fullscreen apps must start at 0,33 | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | even ones that ignore the window manager | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | i read up on VBI, i think i'm getting at what you're trying to do | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | vbi is supposed to be "outside" the picture | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, if this was omap, i would switch framebuffer location temporarily and switch back again | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | like, in memory | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah if it was simple framebuffer hw it would be easy | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | but it's not; it's nvidia driver | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it possible to get signals of vblank somehow? | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | sure, but i'm generating them anyway, so? | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, ok | 22:21 |
| ali1234 | seems like xephyr is the only way | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | hey vgrade1 :) | 22:42 |
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| vgrade1 | lcuk, evening | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | vgrade1, do I have your email address? | 22:59 |
| vgrade1 | martin.brook100@googlemail.com | 23:00 |
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| cineto | hello there. When issuing "$mad qmake" I got: Package meegobluetooth was not found in the pkg-config search path. As I understand, that error is asking for me to install the related package into the sysroot. That should be performed by mad-admin xdpkg as I understand, but which package name should I use? | 23:32 |
| thiago_ny | the one that provides meegobluetooth | 23:34 |
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| cineto | I guess so, but do you have an idea on how I can get the name of that package so mad-admin xdpkg is able to look for it? | 23:35 |
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| thiago_ny | pkgconfig(meegobluetooth) should be enough, I think | 23:39 |
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| cineto | I'm not sure what you mean thiago. For example, pkg-config --list-all | grep meego gives me nothing | 23:48 |
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| thiago_ny | I mean: tell zypper to install "pkgconfig(meegobluetooth)" | 23:50 |
| thiago_ny | it understands taht | 23:50 |
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| cineto | great. But, how do I install zeppyr? It is not in my system, neither in the sysroot | 23:51 |
| thiago_ny | well, whatever passes for package installation inside the sysroot | 23:52 |
| araujo | zypper you mean? | 23:52 |
| cineto | well just realized it is in the sysroot | 23:53 |
| cineto | so, from withing the host system (ubuntu), how do I call zeppyr to work the instalation inside the sysroot? | 23:53 |
| cineto | yes araujo, zypper | 23:53 |
| * thiago_ny doesn't have a clue | 23:54 | |
| araujo | cineto, trying to run zypper from ubuntu? .... or what exactly are you trying to do? :) | 23:55 |
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| thiago_ny | he's trying to install a package into the sysroot | 23:56 |
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| cineto | I'm trying to use the sdk to build an app. After issueing mad qmake on the app's directory I got erros like: Package meegobluetooth was not found in the pkg-config search path | 23:56 |
| cineto | I'm trying to undertand how to solve that. | 23:57 |
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| cineto | so, as I understand I have to install something related to meegobluetooth inside the sysroot I have created with mad-admin | 23:57 |
| thiago_ny | yes | 23:59 |
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