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| Mek | hmm, on the community obs, what does "blocked: source update running" mean? as this is a package that afaik hasn't had anything changed for well over a month... | 00:12 |
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| lbt | qgil_: politeness pong .... but I'm about to go to sleep :) | 00:42 |
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| qgil_ | lbt: sweet dreams, I'll ping you tomorrow | 00:45 |
| lbt | :) | 00:45 |
| qgil_ | :)) | 00:45 |
| lbt | FYI ... vacation over so fresh and ready for some action ;) | 00:46 |
| lbt | (after some snoozing!) .... 'night | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | night lbt | 00:46 |
| dsample | qgil_: what's the best time to catch mrshaver on IRC? | 00:46 |
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| qgil_ | He is in Portland / PST, but less sure about IRC | 00:47 |
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| dsample | ok. I just don't want him taking my replies on bugzilla like I'm trying to be annoying on purpose :o) | 00:48 |
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| qgil_ | dsample: It's not easy to annoy him - I can tell :) | 00:48 |
| dsample | fantastic, I'll try harder next time then ;) | 00:48 |
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| dsample | qgil_: I'm heading the development of our company's development platform, and I'm trying to use the MeeGo community as a 'good example', but it's sometimes hard when we're talking about site navigation | 00:50 |
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| dsample | I end up going back to the Maemo site, or having to find some other examples around the web | 00:50 |
| qgil_ | dsample: funny, you catch me drawing a pencil mockup for http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content :) | 00:50 |
| dsample | when you say pencil, do you mean Pencil, or pencil and paper? :) | 00:51 |
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| qgil_ | dsample: pencil and paper | 00:52 |
| Myrtti | talking of pen and paper, we were just in a restaurant where table cloths were replaced with brown paper and they had a pot of crayons for each table too. | 00:53 |
| Myrtti | and incidentally, we discussed the Sunnyvale Nokia office. | 00:54 |
| qgil_ | Myrtti: cool - sitting (t)here right now | 00:54 |
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| dsample | Not sure yet, but there's a possibility we could be in Sunnyvale/Santa Clara for a year, depending on what other option gets the most votes | 00:55 |
| Myrtti | oh yes, news. Hell froze over today and I installed (BY COMPILING AND MAKE INSTALLING1111!!!) qtcreator today. | 00:56 |
| Myrtti | I feel like a winner | 00:56 |
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| Myrtti | fun times ahead | 00:56 |
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| Myrtti | documentation monkey turns into a coder... so far it looks like a distant dream | 00:58 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, be careful or you'll make the universe implode. | 00:59 |
| vgrade | hi gqil_ | 01:00 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: inorite? | 01:00 |
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| vgrade | hi qgil_ | 01:01 |
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| qgil_ | hi vgrade | 01:01 |
| Ans5i | coding is documenting | 01:01 |
| vgrade | progress on the wetab | 01:02 |
| CosmoHill | Ans5i: only if you use comments | 01:02 |
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| Ans5i | my code *documents* itself :) | 01:02 |
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| vgrade | qgil, 16 degrees in koln yesterday, bit of a change from my last visit | 01:03 |
| MarcA-N | hello all :) | 01:03 |
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| qgil_ | vgrade: 16? that was the temperature in the Kneipe when I was there ;) | 01:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Myrtti, at Bell Labs the napkins in the cafeteria had a grid for graphing printed on them back in the day. Nowadays an empty UML model would be better. | 01:22 |
| Myrtti | Alison_Chaiken: http://www.uistencils.com/collections/frontpage | 01:23 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Myrtti, perfect! It would be cool if we could get Nokia caf to actually use those on napkins. | 01:24 |
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| Myrtti | Alison_Chaiken: you know, it would help if there was a stencil for Nokia products... erhm. | 01:26 |
| freeedrich| | maybe someone here can help me, since Meego Live did work from SD card. My current kernel fails to find /dev/sdc2, where root resides.. | 01:26 |
| Myrtti | anyway, it's way way late in Berlin, so nitenite and toodeloo | 01:26 |
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| freeedrich| | Any idea? I'm loading grub from /dev/sda1 - but I'm getting Kernel panics trying to boot root=/dev/sdc2 - it can't find them (eeePC 901) it finds the two SSDs on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb just fine though. | 01:27 |
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| freeedrich| | I'd guess it's some kernel problem here. But I put most MMC/SD related stuff builtin already and usb-storage as well. | 01:28 |
| freeedrich| | So.. I'm asking maybe I'm missing out on something? | 01:28 |
| vgrade | qgil, before the pub, I was a lot colder drinking Glühwein in the Christkindlmarkt | 01:30 |
| RST38h | Moo, Myrtti, how is life this year? | 01:30 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: surprisinly not with a flu | 01:30 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Myrtti, we should use the Qt widgets: awesome! I'm going to make an official request of the Qt marketers. | 01:30 |
| RST38h | The flu is just waiting for the moment where it can do the most damage! =) | 01:31 |
| Myrtti | anyway, srsly sweeties, I need my beauty sleepses | 01:31 |
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| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: I'm in the Sunnyvale office now | 01:33 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, if you will be around next weekend, come to my Mountain View party benefitting Linux Foundation and featuring beer, candy and MeeGo. | 01:34 |
| thiago | no, I'll be at home | 01:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, I sent an email to Chuck P. and Tom M. about Qt stencils. | 01:35 |
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| thiago | chuck is probably tired after driving from las vegas | 01:36 |
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| thiago | they set off at about 17:00 yesterday | 01:37 |
| qgil_ | dsample: as promised http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11513#c5 | 01:39 |
| qgil_ | dsample: or the same mockup, in context: http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | you're a hero qgil_ | 01:44 |
| pupnik | for people like me | 01:44 |
| pupnik | these nokia employees who are just doing it for the money | 01:45 |
| pupnik | well... they are ... useful | 01:45 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | pupnik, your ability to read the minds of Nokia employees is remarkable. What motivates dogs and Eskimos and algal life forms? ;-) | 01:59 |
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| pupnik | Alison_Chaiken: it's the nature of large organisations | 02:00 |
| pupnik | nokia is like a government | 02:00 |
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| CosmoHill | would meego be like the UK government? | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | who's tony and who's lib dem? | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | tory* | 02:03 |
| berndhs | pupnik: I recommend the excellent BB King song "Nobody Loves My But My Mother" | 02:03 |
| pupnik | ok | 02:05 |
| RST38h | pupnik:Man, you are being too deep =) | 02:06 |
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| * ljp doesn't think there are any Nokia employees doing it just for the money... | 02:07 | |
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| pupnik | hey you know what | 02:11 |
| pupnik | the us govt is going to try to reintroduce the 'alien and sedition act of 1917" | 02:12 |
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| pupnik | people who criticize them will go to jail lol barbeque | 02:12 |
| pupnik | fuck it all. go farm | 02:12 |
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| RST38h | coool | 02:13 |
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| berndhs | yeah farming is cool, and so are barbeques | 02:14 |
| pupnik | and you'll have a job if you work for the military | 02:15 |
| pupnik | if youre scared of being murdered... here's a PROTIP. You're going to DIE anyway... | 02:19 |
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| pupnik | so don't be scared... | 02:21 |
| diabol | hi all | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | pupnik: if you're gonna die, die fighting | 02:26 |
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| StefanB7 | Hello | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 02:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I have this effect on people :( | 02:31 |
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| Ulf_ | Just kidding! ;) | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | O.o | 02:36 |
| pupnik | hey CosmoHill me and my friends made the first 3d accelerated game | 02:36 |
| pupnik | and we used redbook audio | 02:36 |
| pupnik | for my soundtracks | 02:36 |
| pupnik | and intel distributed my music with every retail MMX cpu | 02:36 |
| pupnik | this was when 3d was new | 02:37 |
| CosmoHill | was it around the time I started school? | 02:39 |
| pupnik | 1994 | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | wow, it is | 02:39 |
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| diabol | w00t, thats from before i had my first computer | 02:40 |
| diabol | which was 95 | 02:40 |
| diabol | good times | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | diabol: are you excited or are you talking to w00t_ ? | 02:40 |
| diabol | i am excited xD | 02:40 |
| diabol | intentionally missing the underscore there | 02:41 |
| pupnik | other people made better music | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | pupnik: kudos btw | 02:43 |
| pupnik | ty | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | to give you an idea, in 1994 I couldn't ride a biike | 02:43 |
| pupnik | if you can get the money - buy some vmps speakers from brian cheney | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | I'm happy with what I have | 02:44 |
| pupnik | yeah cheaper speakcers are pretty good now | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | you're assuming I have cheap speakers :p | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | [00:30] <StefanB7> Hello | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | [00:31] <CosmoHill> hi | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | [00:31] <CosmoHill> I have this effect on people :( | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | oh firefox you shit, copy when I tell you to! | 02:45 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/amp/DSC_0198.JPG | 02:45 |
| pupnik | well speakers are 1/2 | 02:47 |
| pupnik | the other 1/2 is the room you build around them | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/battlestation-lcuk.jpg | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | it;'s my bedroom so things are limited | 02:48 |
| CosmoHill | infact I can't really do anything with my room | 02:48 |
| RST38h | OMG he has got Macs all over the place | 02:48 |
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| vgrade | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=15776&postcount=18 | 02:51 |
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| diabol | btw, is there a halfway reliable way to run meego in say, qemu or alike? | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: *makes noise of acknowledgement* | 03:01 |
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| mortenmj | diabol: yes | 03:06 |
| diabol | is it in the wiki? | 03:07 |
| mortenmj | diabol: yes | 03:08 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:09 |
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| diabol | mortenmj: thanks. thats all i need to know :D | 03:09 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, you are the Cambridge man, hope so see you there :) | 03:10 |
| dotblank | is there a way to use the mad toolkit for both meego and maemo simultaneously? | 03:10 |
| dotblank | I noticed targets for meego only | 03:10 |
| dotblank | and outdated maemo targets | 03:10 |
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| slaine | lcuk, I was warming up the coffee pot | 10:27 |
| slaine | it's ready now | 10:27 |
| lcuk | thats certainly a good idea | 10:27 |
| lcuk | I pondering having a run over the glossary | 10:28 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary | 10:28 |
| lcuk | it seems a bit bare in places | 10:28 |
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| lcuk | starting with A, we have "ATM" | 10:29 |
| lcuk | I am going to add "ARM" first :) | 10:29 |
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| * lcuk ponders adding http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture too | 10:31 | |
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| lcuk | so the glossary for "A" now contains Architecture, ARM and ATM | 10:34 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#A | 10:34 |
| lcuk | if anyone can think of others, speak up or edit now so that we can get it filled up :) | 10:35 |
| * lcuk moves onto B | 10:35 | |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#B | 10:35 |
| lcuk | since I know we have people in #meego-arm working on beagle-boards, I shall add that | 10:36 |
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| lcuk | another one I hear mentioned is BOSS | 10:39 |
| * lcuk adds that | 10:39 | |
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| lcuk | I would add broadcom into there too | 10:41 |
| lcuk | but I cant find all the pages about it | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | broadcom is a company | 10:42 |
| lcuk | it seems the glossary has no "C" entries at the moment | 10:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, sure but its also a topic that comes up | 10:42 |
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| lcuk | I wonder whether we need Compliance in the glossary | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 10:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey? | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | what's the sudden rush to verify bugs? | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or who let the [bug-hounds^W]dogs out? | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: verification of if bugs were fixed is a good practice, i'd say | 10:46 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, thats a good thing, I was asked to test the mic on ideapad bug this morning. bug 10532 | 10:47 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, High, ---, ting.z.zhou, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook | 10:47 |
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| * lcuk moves onto "D" in the glossary http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#D which has DirectUI only atm | 10:47 | |
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| Myrtti | mjäh mjäh aw goddammit this coffee is just awful | 10:49 |
| Tm_T | I want coffee too ): | 10:49 |
| lcuk | then add Coffee to "C" ;) | 10:49 |
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| lcuk | I am however adding http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot to "D" | 10:50 |
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| Tm_T | lcuk: let's make it Koffee instead | 10:50 |
| lcuk | /kick Tm_T | 10:50 |
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| * Tm_T huggles lcuk | 10:51 | |
| lcuk | :D | 10:51 |
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| lcuk | any other Meego "D" entries for the glossary? | 10:54 |
| * lcuk moves onto "E" | 10:55 | |
| lcuk | anyone know a specific page for the eeepc since thats a well supported meego netbook device | 10:56 |
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| lcuk | i would like to add EMGD since those are mentioned often | 10:58 |
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| lcuk | but I also cannot find anything official | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | search for intel emgd | 10:58 |
| lcuk | yeah I am trying to link to official meego pages | 10:58 |
| lcuk | i can find forum threads and stuff | 10:58 |
| lcuk | but they arent really a clear source of documentation or info | 10:59 |
| dwd_ | http://edc.intel.com/Link.aspx?id=3747 ? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | what official meego pages? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:59 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, well its the meego glossary | 11:00 |
| dwd_ | Actually, that's a redirect to http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/ | 11:00 |
| lcuk | theres someone saying that emgd drivers can be installed from ivi packages | 11:00 |
| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1927 | 11:00 |
| lcuk | I am trying to avoid external links | 11:01 |
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| lcuk | we need the EMGD drivers for the Nokia Booklet to run Meego Netbook don't we? | 11:01 |
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| lcuk | ok, added initial entry for now | 11:04 |
| lcuk | is it fair to add a note to say that Intel EMGD drivers are not yet part of the standard release images? | 11:04 |
| lcuk | moving onto "F" | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | hurrah | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | "Fremantle" and "FOSS" | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | I think can leave "F" as it is, I cannot see any other things which stand out | 11:08 |
| lcuk | there are no "G" entries in the glossary at the moment | 11:08 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary | 11:08 |
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| lcuk | I however will add "GMA500" since that is used in lots and lots of devices | 11:08 |
| lcuk | and is asked about an awful lot | 11:09 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'd say that if the subject is of hardware, the vendors site should be ok | 11:09 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: atleast for verifiability | 11:09 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, yes, but if people are wanting to know how it relates to meego specifically | 11:10 |
| lcuk | morning lbt | 11:10 |
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| lcuk | what does GMA actually mean? | 11:10 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: if your page doesn't explain what... EMGD is with sources, the whole page is a bit pointless | 11:11 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, yes I have linked through | 11:11 |
| lcuk | ;''EMGD (Embedded Media and Graphics Driver) '' | 11:11 |
| lcuk | : are Intel graphics drivers required for a number of netbook class devices http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/ | 11:11 |
| lcuk | : Currently not part of the standard netbook release images. | 11:11 |
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| lcuk | I think similar for GMA500 will be fine | 11:12 |
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| lcuk | the GMA500 and EMGD are linked and related afaik arent they? | 11:14 |
| lcuk | ie you need the EMGD drivers to use with the GMA500 hardware? | 11:14 |
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| lcuk | oops, have to do a dash to the shop, will continue this in a few minutes \o | 11:16 |
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| lcuk | ok, back to the Glossary | 11:37 |
| lcuk | I have added GMa500 entry but calling back to EMGD for how it needs to be used | 11:37 |
| lcuk | "H" http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#H has many entries already | 11:37 |
| lcuk | for Harmattan and related things, but no specific entry for "Handset" which I will cure now | 11:38 |
| lcuk | I wonder if "Hibernate" should be on there | 11:40 |
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| lcuk | I guess its in the OS but on certain devices it does not work as expected ;) | 11:40 |
| lcuk | or is that sleep? | 11:41 |
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| lcuk | "I" http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#I Offers "IIRC" | 11:41 |
| lcuk | which If I recall correctly is not the only "I" related item | 11:42 |
| * lcuk tries to think of a meego related "I" | 11:42 | |
| lcuk | ahh yes | 11:43 |
| lcuk | ;''IRC (Internet Relay Chat) '' | 11:44 |
| lcuk | :one of the key collaborative areas for Meego working and discussion | 11:44 |
| lcuk | ;''Intel'' | 11:46 |
| lcuk | : principle founding company (along with Nokia) of the Meego project | 11:46 |
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| lcuk | now onto "J" | 11:48 |
| Tm_T | Juma juice? | 11:49 |
| lcuk | I don't think "joggler" counts really, but people keep trying to install latest meego on it (its stuck by EMGD afaik) | 11:49 |
| lcuk | Tm_T, :D | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | one can tell I haven't got much sleep lately | 11:49 |
| lcuk | one of the benefits of irc is you could be in your PJs now | 11:50 |
| lcuk | now, "K" entries | 11:51 |
| lcuk | there are none at present | 11:51 |
| lcuk | but I know loads of people ask about .ks kickstart files | 11:51 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Gosh, should I put some PJs on, then? | 11:51 |
| lcuk | anyone got a neat short one liner describing them? | 11:51 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, "Kickstart files provide a list of packages and settings to use for automated installs." | 11:52 |
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| dwd_ | Assuming they're the same things as existed in RHCL all those years ago, anyway. | 11:52 |
| lcuk | that sounds right, thanks dwd_ \o | 11:52 |
| lcuk | and "Kernel" will be added too | 11:54 |
| lcuk | I am thinking linking it to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors | 11:55 |
| lcuk | ;''Kernel (linux)'' | 11:55 |
| lcuk | : is the core of the operating system and without which we would not have Meego! http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors | 11:55 |
| lcuk | ;''Kickstart files (.ks)'' | 11:55 |
| lcuk | : provide a list of packages and settings to use for automated installs. http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 11:55 |
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| * lcuk ponders "Kernel (gnu/linux)" but leaves it for others | 11:56 | |
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| lcuk | hmm, "GNU" should also be listed in "G" I did not mentio nthem | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | lcuk: Kernel has not much to do with GNU I'd say | 11:57 |
| lcuk | hence me leaving it | 11:57 |
| * lcuk moves onto "L" | 11:58 | |
| lcuk | which has | 11:58 |
| lcuk | LSB (Linux Standard Base): | 11:58 |
| lcuk | The goal of the LSB is to develop and promote a set of open standards that will increase compatibility among Linux distributions and enable software applications to run on any compliant system even in binary form. | 11:58 |
| lcuk | are we actively working towards LSB? | 11:59 |
| lcuk | because a binary built for meego may not necessarily work on other Linux distros? | 12:00 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you know anything about LSB? | 12:00 |
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| lcuk | hmm I should ask on meego-dev ML | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | LSB ARM is lacking, at least | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, ok - should I file a bug to find more info etc or just post onto the ML? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | look into what LSB prescribes first | 12:10 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, surely it would be better having a discussion amongst folks who know and can understand the specifics. I am seeing internet searches saying that meego should be lsb compliant | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | so if you think its not, a bug would be the way to address it | 12:12 |
| lcuk | (or to at least kickstart the discussion) | 12:12 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, The LSB is supposed to provide package portability amongst Linux distributions, strictly speaking, rather than binary (although binary compatibility is a subset of that). | 12:13 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, reasonable, from a portability aspect, I gather it means standard folders and locations for components | 12:14 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, For MeeGo to be LSB compliant, it'd need to have core packages installed in the right places, have RPM, and other stuff to support LSB packages being installed on it. | 12:14 |
| lcuk | but since there are so many ABIs in use and even different chipsets having binary compatability would be impractical | 12:15 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, I'd say that would be pointless, given that LSB packages tend to only exist for third-party server products, and the very occasional bit of enterprise desktop stuff. | 12:15 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=LSB | 12:16 |
| lcuk | ok, theres already a group of bugs relating | 12:16 |
| lcuk | and discussion ongoing | 12:16 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#M | 12:17 |
| lcuk | now the M category has many many more entries than the rest of the glossary :) | 12:18 |
| lcuk | "N" | 12:18 |
| * lcuk adds a specific entry for Nokia :) | 12:19 | |
| lcuk | and N900 | 12:19 |
| lcuk | and netbook | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | "O" seems to be well stocked | 12:28 |
| * lcuk ponders "Packaging (rpm)" or "RPM (packaging)" | 12:29 | |
| lcuk | hmm should PulseAudio be mentioned here, is it used on all UXes? | 12:31 |
| lcuk | I know its mentioend a lot | 12:31 |
| lcuk | mentioned | 12:31 |
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| lcuk | == P == | 12:41 |
| lcuk | ;''PulseAudio'' | 12:41 |
| lcuk | : is the low level sound system component used by Meego http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/TestSuite/PulseAudio_Test_Plan | 12:41 |
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| lcuk | not ideal, but enough to let people know what PA is | 12:41 |
| lcuk | err | 12:42 |
| lcuk | ;''PA (PulseAudio)'' | 12:42 |
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| aries | I follow the instruction(http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS) to start a local OBS server in vmware, but failed to boot the obs-server, it hangs after "Initializing ramdom number generator" | 12:48 |
| aries | Is there sth I have missed? | 12:48 |
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| lcuk | aries, Stskeeps might have an idea | 13:00 |
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| lcuk | looking at the rest of the glossary, it seems pretty reasonable | 13:01 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary | 13:01 |
| aries | Ok, thanks | 13:01 |
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| lcuk | and thanks to Stskeeps dwd_ Tm_T and others in various irc channels for input on the terms | 13:02 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, Oh, don't thank me, I was just making you spell rude words down the right margin. | 13:04 |
| aries | :) | 13:04 |
| lcuk | :) | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | "I have discovered a truly marvelous rude word that this margin is too narrow to contain" - dwd_ 2011 | 13:05 |
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| sivang | morning all | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | morning sivang \o | 13:33 |
| sivang | hey | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/01/11/0649219/Hank-Chien-Reclaims-emDonkey-Kongem-High-Score | 13:45 |
| lcuk | awesome, people still play donkey kong | 13:45 |
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| poutsi | someone humor me with trivia: why does the fs in the meego raw images start at offset 512? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | partitions? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's a whole sd card :) | 13:48 |
| poutsi | so there's a partition table in the bytes? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:48 |
| poutsi | okay, kinda guessed so :) thanks | 13:49 |
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| poutsi | up here in powerpoint central we're all estranged from all this lowlevel stuff like "filesystems" or whatever you call them | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | there's supposedly a level above powerpoint central where people have powerpoints handed to them to present | 13:51 |
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| poutsi | that's the one where everyone has a wired telephone and a secretary to answer it? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | and emails get printed out | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | poutsi, we sometimes wonder why powerpoint images start at page 512 ;) | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, email? | 13:53 |
| * Myrtti checks | 13:53 | |
| lcuk | speaking of such matters | 13:53 |
| lcuk | is there a ppt to qml conversion tool? | 13:54 |
| lcuk | so that we can use latest tech and projectors to present from our devices :) | 13:54 |
| poutsi | uuh | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | write your presentation in mql | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ml | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | I thought Nokia and derivatives was the powerpoint central | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | qml | 13:54 |
| poutsi | someone should fork landslide and make it output qml presentations | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | :) | 13:55 |
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| Myrtti | I suppose the bridge between ppt and qml isn't too wide | 13:56 |
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| poutsi | hmm... I have a couple of lectures coming up | 13:56 |
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| Myrtti | if I had been given an euro everytime I've seen Powerpoint been used to make UI mockups, I'd be a rich and leisurely lady | 13:56 |
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| Myrtti | *hurrrrr* | 13:57 |
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| ScriptRipper | ping lbt | 15:48 |
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| berndt | hi all | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | hey berndt | 15:50 |
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| prusnak | andre: andre__: ping | 15:51 |
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| andre__ | prusnak, pong | 15:51 |
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| berndt | lcuk, What is the weather like? :D | 15:51 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta. lbt or X-Fade, any chance that I may beg an account on the Community OBS in order to make a build of 1.1 for the WeTab: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet ? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | berndt, its reasonable today | 15:52 |
| lcuk | the sky was a deep blue earlier | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | shame it was clouds :S | 15:52 |
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| berndt | ^^ | 15:54 |
| * lcuk wishes he had camera | 15:54 | |
| lcuk | (it was when I nipped to shop earlier) | 15:54 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I must visit the gym. Can you please pick me up a community OBS account while I'm out? No one seems to object, and qgil is waiting on me, and I have meetings most of the day. | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | Alison_Chaiken: What is your username? | 16:13 |
| tvainio | what's the preferred way to deploy .wav files with a meego qml application? Looks like SoundEffect cannot read wavs from qrc:s... | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: 'alison', if she left already | 16:13 |
| Alison_Chaiken | X-Fade, my user name is "alison" and this is my current project: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | Alison_Chaiken: Done. | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, heh :) | 16:14 |
| lcuk | have fun at the gym \o | 16:14 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks X-Fade, I will try to use the new account as an excuse to bail on today's meetings! Which are 10 hours partly about the demo I won't be creating because I'll be listening to people talk. | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | Alison_Chaiken: Use your wetab in the gym then :) | 16:15 |
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| berndt | X-Fade, good idea | 16:15 |
| berndt | :D | 16:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks lcuk, heavy things are sitting on the floor idle and we just can't let them be. WeTab is no good for gym as long as the USB HIDs must be plugged in. Nähdään. | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, we need a meego ecoach :) | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: sampo already has a Qt version. | 16:19 |
| lcuk | coupled with the bluetooth things I heard being added to n900 kernel, can use heart monitors etc | 16:19 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, so who makes rpm packages for it? | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Qt Creator? :) | 16:20 |
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| tobsn | hey there! can you please have a look at my problem: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2438 Perhaps anyone can help me? | 16:29 |
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| andre__ | tobsn: describing your problem here makes it more likely to get an answers instead of expecting 500 people to click your link to find out | 16:37 |
| tobsn | alright, i'll try | 16:38 |
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| tobsn | i've got a netbook without usb-boot-supply an would like to install meego.. i used my desktop pc (win7) to create a tftp + dhcp server. now i would like to install meego via pxe, but i can't address the essential files from my prepared meego-usb-stick, because i'm using dos. | 16:40 |
| tobsn | got it? my english skills are not good :/ | 16:40 |
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| gobbe | which netbook doesn't have usb-boot? | 16:45 |
| gobbe | i believe all pc's sold in past 5 years have had usb-boot | 16:45 |
| tobsn | yeah, but i've got one :/ even with bios-update there is no support | 16:45 |
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| jsv | tobsn: i think the qa-tools (#meego-qa-tools) guys did some work for automated installs with pxe | 16:58 |
| jsv | see here : http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Autotest-guide | 16:58 |
| jsv | (esp. section 6.2) | 16:59 |
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| tobsn | jsv: but isn't it necessary in this guide, that both stations run with meego? | 17:03 |
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| jsv | no idea, but i don't think it should matter | 17:07 |
| tobsn | i think, it matters because i must handle .tar.gz files. perhaps i should try to set up a virtual server running with fedora. i'll try it now | 17:10 |
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| Kaadlajk | you dont need meego or fedora, ubuntu works also | 17:20 |
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| tobsn | another problem: i created a virtual machine and formed a virtual harddisk out of the meego.img. now meego freezes in the first installation screen (where you can choose from "boot meego, installation only and boot from local drive") any solutions? | 17:54 |
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| FxIII | is http://meego.com down? | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Short answer, yes. | 18:06 |
| araujo | seems so | 18:06 |
| FxIII | k | 18:06 |
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| FxIII | any mirror out of there? | 18:06 |
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| tobsn | hm, the forum is still alive | 18:09 |
| FxIII | no way to get the image for x86 right? | 18:11 |
| DawnFoster | we're working on the meego.com server issues now | 18:11 |
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| FxIII | DawnFoster: a notice here when the server is up will be appreciated ! | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | will do | 18:14 |
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| FxIII | thank you! | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | FxIII, which image, netbook or handset? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | either way, yeah they are up | 18:18 |
| lcuk | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 18:18 |
| FxIII | netbook | 18:18 |
| FxIII | whow! | 18:18 |
| FxIII | TY lcuk | 18:18 |
| lcuk | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf/ | 18:18 |
| lcuk | latest 1.2 dev images for handset and netbook (afaik anyway) if I am wrong someone else can confirm | 18:19 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Those look like the latest | 18:20 |
| lcuk | \o ty | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | its good job because I downloaded them to check bug fixes | 18:20 |
| lcuk | mic issue in netbook with ideapad is supposed to be fixed here | 18:20 |
| lcuk | if it is, then it will be backported to 1.1 (according to the bug meeting earlier) | 18:21 |
| lcuk | ie, bug 11003 | 18:21 |
| lcuk | which is a clone of bug 10532 | 18:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, High, ---, ting.z.zhou, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook | 18:22 |
| lcuk | hm | 18:22 |
| lcuk | bug 11003 | 18:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11003 nor, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, Build-in MIC of Lenovo s10-3t doesn't work | 18:22 |
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| fiferboy | Oooh, I have been waiting for the mic issue. I just updated and will boot to test it out soon | 18:23 |
| lcuk | awesome | 18:23 |
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| FxIII | i want to install the os in a sd card | 18:29 |
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| FxIII | when i did this with ubuntu I saw that the grub was installed on the root partition for the hard disk | 18:30 |
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| FxIII | unless specified in an advanced menu | 18:31 |
| FxIII | is the same with the meego x86 installation? | 18:31 |
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| FxIII | bye to all! | 18:39 |
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| jedix | Anyone know anthing about terminal mode? Is there any VNC or UPnP client being worked on? | 18:58 |
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| DawnFoster | FYI: meego.com is back up | 19:12 |
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| DawnFoster | we were having some server / hosting issues this morning, but things seems to be returning to normal. | 19:13 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: The mic isn't working for me, but I screwed around with it so much previously it isn't really surprising | 19:35 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, on the images mentioned earlier? | 19:36 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yeah, but I upgraded my previous install to the current image instead of doing a clean install | 19:36 |
| lcuk | yeah, I have done numerous upgrades since the conf | 19:37 |
| lcuk | time for an image change | 19:37 |
| fiferboy | I'm thinking so too. Just need to back up my data and partition with a separate home partition next time | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, I would really prefer a method of backing up entire system back onto a usb stick | 19:38 |
| lcuk | (that I could then use for reinstalling from after faffing | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | kind of like how microsoft windows cds can be slipstreamed with services packs ;) | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | That would be nice. I'll settle for the separate partition for now | 19:39 |
| lcuk | download and install XYZ, do whatever updates and installations and then space providing, put them back onto the install media for later use | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Your way would be better, because I have some system modifications I will have to rack my brain to remember and reinstall on the fresh system | 19:40 |
| auke | is anyone seeing that 'less' is broken in Trunk? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, why do you think I wanted writeup for the desktop stuff :) | 19:41 |
| fiferboy | Good point. I should have been keeping track of my customizations as I went | 19:42 |
| fiferboy | At least my packages are on OBS now for easy install :) | 19:42 |
| lcuk | roger | 19:42 |
| lcuk | thanks for reminder tho | 19:42 |
| lcuk | i think i have some tweaks needing pushing somewhere | 19:42 |
| fiferboy | auke: What is broken about it? It is working for me... | 19:43 |
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| auke | grrr | 19:43 |
| auke | it's time to reinstall my meego dev box again | 19:44 |
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| auke | stuff is inexplicably breaking | 19:44 |
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| fiferboy | auke: My install has been upgraded to trunk ~15 times, so it may not be good a reference | 19:44 |
| fiferboy | But inexplicable breakage doesn't sound good | 19:44 |
| auke | mine probably over 50 times | 19:44 |
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| fiferboy | auke: Yeah, probably time for a clean install :) | 19:45 |
| auke | it feels like readline is broken | 19:45 |
| auke | and since zypper also uses that... it refuses to ask me for confirmation now | 19:45 |
| fiferboy | zypper was broken for me for quite a while | 19:45 |
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| auke | zypper always worked fine for me | 19:46 |
| lcuk | i don;t know about broken, but it certainly is slow | 19:46 |
| fiferboy | It wouldn't update repos properly due to curl not supporting resume or some such | 19:46 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, remove the .repo files to a subdir | 19:46 |
| fiferboy | That was the first sign I needed a fresh install, but I got it going again | 19:46 |
| lcuk | refresh | 19:46 |
| lcuk | reinsert them | 19:46 |
| lcuk | refresh | 19:46 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Exactly what I ended up doing | 19:47 |
| lcuk | and many go away | 19:47 |
| lcuk | perhaps we should file a bug now mention that | 19:47 |
| fiferboy | Actually, I think I deleted all the zypper related files in /var/cache | 19:47 |
| lcuk | but I tohught it was down to network crap | 19:47 |
| lcuk | and i couldnt describe it properly | 19:47 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, I thought the server was having trouble for a while | 19:47 |
| fiferboy | If I come across it again I will file a bug with the error messages | 19:47 |
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| andyross | fiferboy/auke: I'm not sure I've ever done more than one update on an install, and that usually just to test the update stuff. :) In the modern world, it seems easier just to reinstall... | 19:48 |
| fiferboy | andyross: I kept putting it off because I didn't want to offload my downloaded files (and I should have laid out the partitions better initially to avoid that) | 19:49 |
| lcuk | andyross, reinstall regularly is fine for testing development progress | 19:50 |
| lcuk | but real users do not like losing their files | 19:50 |
| lcuk | or config | 19:50 |
| lcuk | etc | 19:50 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: /etc, you mean? | 19:51 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, no I mean in general, whole system config including apps installed and data written and mods made | 19:51 |
| fiferboy | :P You missed my joke | 19:52 |
| andyross | return -ENOSARCASMONLINE; | 19:52 |
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| qgil | Hi, I'm looking for feedback about the (rough) meego.com homepage I drafted yesterday - see http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update/Homepage#Content | 19:56 |
| qgil | comments are welcome at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 | 19:57 |
| qgil | lbt_away: please ping me wjen you're around | 19:57 |
| qgil | X-Fade: ping | 19:57 |
| * Myrtti pokes dsample once he comes from work ;-) | 19:59 | |
| smoku | if I build an RPM package on Fedora 13 the package ends with .fc13.src.rpm - do you know where is this f13 coming from and is it configurable? | 19:59 |
| qgil | Myrtti: is dsample working with you? | 20:00 |
| berndhs | smoku: its the %dist in the spec file | 20:01 |
| smoku | berndhs, so I should be able to override it in ~/.rpmmacros? | 20:01 |
| berndhs | i don't know where it comes from | 20:01 |
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| Myrtti | qgil: no, he takes care of my accomodation when I'm in UK and I his when he's in Finland ;-) | 20:02 |
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| qgil | Myrtti: soundssustainable ;) | 20:02 |
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| smoku | berndhs, /etc/rpm/macros.dist - overriding by ~/.rpmmacros worked. thank you very much :D | 20:03 |
| lcuk | qgil o_O dare I ask, are you going to make a qml mockup of that also? :O :D | 20:05 |
| Myrtti | talking of qml | 20:06 |
| Aard | ehheeeeee | 20:06 |
| Aard | eeeeu | 20:06 |
| lcuk | tho picking up a pencil is really a great way to do layouts :) | 20:06 |
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| qgil | lcuk: I could (this Qt Designer for Qt Quick actually reminds me that ol' Fireworks web designers used years ago) but I'll let the real design to a real designer | 20:06 |
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| Myrtti | should the qtcreator come with qmlviewer? I just installed Qt Creator from the 64-bit Linux .bin and I can't find it. | 20:07 |
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| qgil | Myrtti: I got stuck in the same point back in November | 20:07 |
| lcuk | qgil, yeah its a nice set of tools :) | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, I somehow forgot to thank you for your help this morning btw \o | 20:09 |
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| * lcuk stomach rumbling anyway, pizza time. bbl \o | 20:10 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: np, bon appetit | 20:10 |
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| Myrtti | *sigh* | 20:15 |
| Myrtti | I fail in google-fu | 20:15 |
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| smoku | berndhs, by chance do you know the name of the macro responsible for package Vendor? | 20:25 |
| berndhs | smoku: no sorry, but if you find out, let me know :) | 20:26 |
| smoku | berndhs, ok. I just did: # rpmbuild --showrc | grep -i vendor | 20:27 |
| smoku | tada :) | 20:27 |
| berndhs | i think it was mentioned here while ago | 20:27 |
| smoku | berndhs, well.. I found it finally reading the whole "man rpmbuild" :D | 20:28 |
| diabol | wait, meego uses rpm? o.O | 20:28 |
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| berndhs | reading teh documentation? how pedestrian :) | 20:28 |
| smoku | yup. I was deperate | 20:29 |
| smoku | "If everything else fails - read the instruction manual." | 20:29 |
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| smoku | diabol, you look surprised | 20:29 |
| berndhs | yeah last resort | 20:30 |
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| diabol | aye | 20:30 |
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| diabol | i supposed it uses apt like maemo | 20:31 |
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| smoku | diabol, no. it's RPM based. like Moblin it's based on | 20:46 |
| * lcuk giggles at old bugs being a duplicate of newer ones | 20:49 | |
| lcuk | space time continuum | 20:49 |
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| diabol | smoku, that is a major turnoff for me :D | 21:00 |
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| smoku | diabol, for me it was to at first. then I had to package few things and I realized that RPM is not something I was trying a decade ago and is actually pretty nice | 21:11 |
| smoku | diabol, it went a long way and now I prefer it over dpkg | 21:12 |
| smoku | lcuk, if the new one has a better description it's reasonable to bend the time :D | 21:13 |
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| poutsi | or if the new one has patch attachments before it's spotted or something | 21:29 |
| poutsi | had that happen to me on launchpad just the other day, wtf'd a bit at first | 21:30 |
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| diabol | smoku: maybe you're right, ill see when i get around to install meego | 21:31 |
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| CosmoHill | evening all | 21:32 |
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| vgrade | hi CosmoHill | 21:36 |
| vgrade | not much response to the Cambridge meet forum post, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=15776#post15776 | 21:37 |
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| vgrade | thinks of where to advertise to get more interest | 21:38 |
| vgrade | qgil, DawnFoster, any suggestions? | 21:39 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: Hmm, I retweeted it from the meegocom account. | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | "meet the man (or woman) behind the nick!" | 21:40 |
| qgil | vgrade: in my opinion the secret is not to get obsessed on the first meetup's side, but to get obsessed on organizing one meetup every month, growing gradually | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: have the meetup | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | then brag about how AWESOME it was afterwards | 21:40 |
| CosmoHill | then more will come to the second | 21:40 |
| wmarone | and keep pestering ARM, their response was disappointing ;) | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: i'd focus on reaching out to mobile people in Cambridge who might be interested. | 21:40 |
| DawnFoster | it's hard to reach a specific geography on the forums. | 21:41 |
| DawnFoster | I have the same issue with Portland, too BTW. | 21:41 |
| vgrade | DawnFoster, saw the retweet thanks | 21:41 |
| DawnFoster | As long as you get a few people, you'll be fine. | 21:41 |
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| vgrade | wmarone, I can see why ARM don't want to be seen to be favouring one particular group, | 21:42 |
| vgrade | DawnFoster, Yes, I attended the first Koln meeting, making the corum up to 5 | 21:43 |
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| DawnFoster | vgrade: for the last portland meetup, only a couple of people RSVP'ed and then we had about 10-15 people, so you never know who will show up | 21:45 |
| qgil | vgrade: also the forum posts mentions a date, but what about an hour and a place? :) | 21:47 |
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| * lcuk is trying to work out if he can come to it but its 300 miles away :P | 21:48 | |
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| DawnFoster | qgil: excellent point. vgrade - people will rarely commit to attend until you have a time and place nailed down | 21:49 |
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| DawnFoster | and I've found that people rarely commit to attend until the event is a day or 2 away. | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, you are heading to the meet too? | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | probably not | 21:52 |
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| CosmoHill | the best you can get from me is me going "sod it all! where's my keys" | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: you have to prove you're not an AI someday ;) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | lol Stskeeps | 21:52 |
| lcuk | for a while we thought that about you :P | 21:53 |
| poutsi | a well-trained megahal can be pretty convincing | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | hey spyro \o | 21:57 |
| lcuk | how is Cambridge this evening? :D | 21:57 |
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| CosmoHill | spyro: the dragon? | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, spyro the meego qemu dev and ivi hacker !! | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | not as cute but just as awesome | 21:59 |
| lcuk | indeed | 21:59 |
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| spyro | Aha! | 21:59 |
| spyro | hiya :) | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | \o. | 21:59 |
| spyro | I'm busy atm... but I'll be around tomorrow :) | 21:59 |
| spyro | Pleased to meet you :) | 22:00 |
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| DawnFoster | I still think CosmoHill is a bot, since no one has ever seen him in person :) | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | meh | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | I've had people think I was a woman before | 22:00 |
| lcuk | what do you mean, before? | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | on a previous occasion, someone thought I was a lady | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | i will bring a round back | 22:07 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: people assume I'm a dude all the time - If you work in open source or tech, people just naturally think you're a guy | 22:09 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, do you know of any werewolf type games which involve multiuser telco/video call capabilities | 22:09 |
| auke | DawnFoster: but but | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | even with the name Dawn? | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: one strongbow please | 22:10 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: interestingly enough, yes :) | 22:10 |
| auke | people think I'm a woman sometimes | 22:10 |
| auke | confusing first name | 22:10 |
| auke | also, last name makes people think I'm asian | 22:10 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I know someone who plays werewolf over IRC somehow, I think | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | auke: what is your last name? | 22:10 |
| auke | kok (dutch for cook) | 22:10 |
| auke | very common asian last name | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | isn't "murder" and an anagram of "dream" in dutch? | 22:11 |
| vgrade | qgil, place and time TBA, just thought I would get a date | 22:11 |
| auke | CosmoHill: it is (moord - droom) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, o_O | 22:11 |
| lcuk | thats not such a bad thing | 22:12 |
| lcuk | but as you know the body language is part of it | 22:12 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: if you google irc werewolf, there are a few options. | 22:12 |
| lcuk | perhas if we could get a game which ties in irc and voice fragments | 22:12 |
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| DawnFoster | auke: yeah, the first time I saw you in real life, I was surprised you weren't Asian :) | 22:13 |
| auke | haha yeah, then I turn out to be a tall dutch guy | 22:13 |
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| auke | especially the looks from our chinese colleagues is fun, first time I meet them | 22:13 |
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| qgil | auke: although being Dutch and tall is not a surprise per se | 22:14 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: you should have started the sentance with "I'm not racist but..." | 22:15 |
| auke | qgil: for a dutch person (male) of my age, I'm not even tall - just average | 22:15 |
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| qgil | auke: indeed. I guess the lack of mountains gives that advantage,. the rest is just the usual evolutionary process | 22:16 |
| auke | I blame dairy | 22:17 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, how many different devices have you got that boot meego now?? | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | apart from DawnFoster, I've assumed your all dudes | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | apart from maybe Myrtti | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | lardman has let on that he wears a dress sometimes | 22:23 |
| DawnFoster | and don't forget Alison_Chaiken :) | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | i think theres even photographic evidence somewhere | 22:23 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: really? at this time of year? | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: her too | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: you're not trying to trick me into thinking that lardman is a cross dresser are you? | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | cos that's the kinda thing I'd do | 22:25 |
| lcuk | hang on, the internet never deletes stuff | 22:26 |
| lcuk | lemme see if I can find it | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | so the first meego person I ever get to see a picture of is gonna be a dude in drag? | 22:27 |
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| gobbe | is anyone on channel artistic and creating meegons?-) | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: at the moment the idea of you explaining THAT bookmark to your wife is making me giggle | 22:29 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | lardman, found it! | 22:30 |
| lcuk | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/1.jpg | 22:30 |
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| CosmoHill | ahahhhh my eyes! | 22:30 |
| Arrigimon | your eyes can't handle unknown users? | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | I just got shown an image before you joined | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: which one is he? | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | second from left | 22:32 |
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| CosmoHill | interesting | 22:32 |
| * lcuk wonders whether he is trying to delete it from server now :P | 22:32 | |
| CosmoHill | now if I ever meet him I'm gonna imagine pigtails on him | 22:32 |
| lcuk | irc logs are totally awesome btw | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | :O another hair appt | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | 20th this time | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | i am off anyway, going playing tictactoe with jake | 22:37 |
| lcuk | \o | 22:37 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: btw I've not gotten an email from Reggie | 22:38 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine he's clearing the xmas backlog | 22:38 |
| * auke wonders if he should lart lcuk for posting inappropriate content :) | 22:39 | |
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| CosmoHill | auke: there maybe children in the channel :o | 22:39 |
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| auke | no worries, still 470 ppl in here | 22:40 |
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| CosmoHill | 7 of which are active | 22:41 |
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| dwd_ | Gosh. Netsplits. How very 80's. | 22:43 |
| CosmoHill | dwd_: really? | 22:44 |
| anidel | yup.. | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | pretty common here | 22:44 |
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| CosmoHill | but then again I 'm used to an IRC server being taken out once in a while | 22:44 |
| dwd_ | CosmoHill, Well, yes, IRC as a whole is very 80's. :-) | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | I wasn't in the 80s :) | 22:45 |
| berndhs | the 80s had their moments, the future was much better for one thing | 22:46 |
| dwd_ | berndhs, Yeah. I'm still waiting for my flying rocket car. | 22:46 |
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| auke | I didn't use IRC until '93 | 22:47 |
| smoku | dwd_, here you are: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_moller_on_the_skycar.html | 22:47 |
| dwd_ | smoku, Yeah, sure. But where's *mine*? | 22:48 |
| smoku | dwd_, have you ordered yet? | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | we got the interweb in 1998 :) | 22:48 |
| dwd_ | smoku, You mean I don't just get given one? | 22:48 |
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| smoku | dwd_, nope. the only thing planned to be given at birth is an RFID chip | 22:49 |
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| berndhs | but the RFID is for your security | 22:50 |
| smoku | yes. it makes me terrorist-proof | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | in the 80s i was looking forward to a future of instant global communication giving access to the sum total of human knowledge (and dumb videos) | 22:51 |
| sivang | re all | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | today i am pretty much "looking forward" to a future where all that is taken away from us "for your own protection" | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | so yeah, the future really was better in the 80s | 22:52 |
| anidel | meaning that *now* is better. | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | not necessarily | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | we don't know how the future will be | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | just that the future now looks pretty grim compared with the way it looked in the 80s | 22:53 |
| anidel | we are in the future. At least the one we once called future in the 80s | 22:53 |
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| ali1234 | yeah | 22:53 |
| anidel | ah yeah :) | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | but we could have been wrong in the 80s, and we could be wrong now | 22:54 |
| smoku | - daddy, when will the world be better? | 22:54 |
| smoku | - better? it was better already! | 22:54 |
| berndhs | oh we're probably wrong | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo, anidel. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, that's why the US has the 2nd amendment. :) | 22:54 |
| anidel | yo general | 22:55 |
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| ali1234 | the change in the way we see the future probably has more to do with us all getting older tbh | 22:55 |
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| ali1234 | and to some extent the way we become less open to new things | 22:57 |
| poutsi | I for one don't subscribe to that | 22:57 |
| berndhs | and we have less time left to wait for the good stuff | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | people who were around when TV was invented probably thought it would change the world for the better - by the 80s they were probably well and truly disillusioned | 22:58 |
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| ali1234 | same for the telephone | 22:59 |
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| ali1234 | i mean look at the disdain some people have for the likes of facebook, and then apply that same method of thinking to the telephone | 22:59 |
| poutsi | well sure you can be disillusioned when you don't have proper metrics | 22:59 |
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| ali1234 | "this device has the power to change the world and you just use it to chat to your friends" | 22:59 |
| poutsi | I mean, you can't measure "changing the world for the better" | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | well yeah but when you're 12 you don't realise that :) | 23:00 |
| berndhs | well, teh world isn't actually worse than in 1950 | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | exactly my point berndhs | 23:00 |
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| ScottishDuck | ／l、 | 23:02 |
| ScottishDuck | (≖‿≖ ７ | 23:03 |
| ScottishDuck | l、 ~ヽ | 23:03 |
| ScottishDuck | じしf_,)～ | 23:03 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, I have google nexus one (Qualcomm Snapdragon), o2 jogger (Intel Atom), advent vega (Nvidia Tegra 2) oh and HP Mini (Intel x86) all booting to MeeGo | 23:04 |
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| dwd_ | vgrade, How does the battery life on the Nexus One compare between MeeGo and Android? | 23:06 |
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| dwd_ | ali1234, Did you know that they advertised the telephone by saying "Be the first person you know to own one!". | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | how ironic | 23:08 |
| barroca | I need to find the latest development package for a product. | 23:08 |
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| ali1234 | i think i've heard that before actually | 23:08 |
| barroca | where i can find it? | 23:08 |
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| Arrigimon | dwd_: what phone? | 23:12 |
| Arrigimon | N1? | 23:12 |
| dwd_ | Arrigimon, The advertising comment above? No, that was the original telephone, not any particular one. | 23:13 |
| Arrigimon | oh | 23:13 |
| Arrigimon | back in the days with rotating keypads and huge horns.. those telephones? | 23:13 |
| Arrigimon | well.. "keypad" :) | 23:13 |
| dwd_ | Arrigimon, Yeah, As in "Be the first person you know to own a telephone". | 23:14 |
| Arrigimon | :D | 23:14 |
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| vgrade | dwd_, MeeGo on nexus one is not production (or even alpha) quality so no comparison really | 23:17 |
| Arrigimon | too bad | 23:18 |
| dwd_ | vgrade, Well. You can compare between them, whether the comparison tells you more than "MeeGo on Nexus One isn't production quality" or not is another matter - I was just curious. | 23:19 |
| Arrigimon | I liked maemo, was hoping for meego to be at least equal | 23:19 |
| Arrigimon | but at this speed it'll take them years.. | 23:19 |
| lcuk | vgrade, o_O at the number of devices | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | but I note you don't include n900 | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | and did you hear any more about the Nokia Booklet from anyone? | 23:20 |
| dwd_ | I have a 770 and an n800. Played with an n900. But Maemo seemed nice to me. | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, maemo is nice :) (biased, I spent a year working on it) but its also limited in scope. seeing meego emerge from lessons learnt is cool, could have not considered running apps on such a diverse set of devices as we are seeing capable now in meego | 23:26 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Yes, Maemo always felt very tied to a single device, which meant that older devices got left behind. | 23:28 |
| lcuk | indeed | 23:28 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, That in turn radically reduced both the audience and the developer pool. | 23:28 |
| * lcuk nods again | 23:28 | |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, So yes, I'm tentatively hoping that MeeGo will be a bit more stable, and allow me to have both a tablet/pad and a handset running it, for instance. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:29 |
| Mat_Matan | God’s in His Heaven... All’s Right with the World! | 23:30 |
| lcuk | Mat_Matan, speaking of all is right | 23:30 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Also, the mail application finally supports a bunch of the mobile email specs I spent ages writing. :-) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | wheres the keyboard patches for this WM? ;) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | dwd_, which mail app did you write specifically? | 23:31 |
| Mat_Matan | lcuk: i don't think so :P | 23:31 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, I didn't. I wrote the specs. | 23:31 |
| lcuk | Mat_Matan, then all is not right in the world :P can I actually assign a bug directly to you for it ;) | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, and where are they hosted? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | dwd_, does it include the IP over avian carrier? | 23:32 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, no n900 here and no, noone had a booklet gathering dust which they wanted to contribute | 23:33 |
| Mat_Matan | luck: Pippa Passes - Robert Browning "God’s in His Heaven... All’s Right with the World!" | 23:33 |
| Mat_Matan | luck: :P | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, ping me tomorrow please. | 23:33 |
| vgrade | rumour is that EMGD kernel drivers have been seen in recent IVI kernels | 23:34 |
| lcuk | yeah I heard same | 23:34 |
| lcuk | I was doing some looking this morning through the glossary | 23:34 |
| lcuk | (and fleshing out some missing things) | 23:34 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, Sadly not. Same series though - they're all RFCs. | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, where did you actually submit them to? | 23:36 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, How do you mean? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | dwd_, you said "I wrote the specs" | 23:39 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Yes, within the IETF. | 23:39 |
| lcuk | so what did you do with them after you wrote them, ritual burning? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | right, makes more sense now! | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, I misunderstood your meaning and thought you had written some meego specific outlines :) | 23:41 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, For instance, I wrote RFC 4731, (which both the QT Messaging thing and the iPhone implement) and RFC 5162, which I think Qt Messaging implements. It also implements a few other things I didn't write, which are part of the Lemonade profile (which I did). | 23:41 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, I implemented most of these things, too, but not on MeeGo. :-) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | awesome | 23:43 |
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| dwd_ | So here's a question. If I wanted to write a MeeGo application which displayed things on a map, is there a map application within MeeGo, or would I need to use (say) Google Maps and a bit of WebKit to glue it in? | 23:46 |
| lcuk | dwd_, how long did each take, whenever I read RFCs there is so much care taken | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, Qt Mobility includes mapping functionality | 23:47 |
| lcuk | the 1.2 update of qtm should help this since the roadmap has adjusted itself to account for feedback from devs initially | 23:47 |
| lcuk | and theres specific implementation things for meego getting put in atm | 23:48 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Actually quite quick. The longest one was RFC 5550, because it's the summary of an entire working group. RFC 5162 is my design, though, and it took a lot of wordsmithing to explain. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | I know theres an RFC styleguide, but beyond that was it just a case of setting out to create one? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ie, take the code/spec you have and document it cleanly? | 23:50 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Bit more than that, because mine are mostly STandards Track. But basically, you write the RFC according to various rules (and using xml2rfc to format it), and then persuade the IETF/IESG to accept it. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | heh, actually that sounds like a similar process to code integration! :) | 23:52 |
| dwd_ | It's not much different. The main distinction is that if you want to change something, you can't - you need to figure out how to extend it safely instead. Kind of like programming by opening a fresh text editor and writing a patch. | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, :) that is more like integration. once you release you don't want to be breaking peoples systems. | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | which RFC do you hold up as being best example of a readable/understandable one? | 23:55 |
| dwd_ | RFC 748? | 23:56 |
| lcuk | you roll the numbers off like I am an RFC pro, I need to search, hold on :P | 23:56 |
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| Macer | where does the n900 keep its working/not working hw list at? | 23:56 |
| Macer | i remember there being a table | 23:57 |
| RST38h | RFC 1149! | 23:57 |
| dwd_ | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc748 | 23:57 |
| dwd_ | RST38h, Yeah, 1149 is good, but 748 is much clearer. | 23:58 |
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| lcuk | :D hahah dwd_ | 23:58 |
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| RST38h | true | 23:58 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Written by the same guy who designed IMAP. | 23:59 |
| RST38h | Can you randomly lose via avian carriers though? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | I believe a similar would be the "evil bit" that telecomes carriers wanted to add to data streams | 23:59 |
| RST38h | dwd: I am sure the guy was serious | 23:59 |
| wmarone | RST38h: hawks | 23:59 |
| dwd_ | RST38h, Anyway, 1149 has been updated: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 | 23:59 |
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