| RST38h | O! | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | !! | 00:00 |
| dwd_ | You know that RFC 1149 got implemented? | 00:00 |
| * lcuk recalls a slashdot posting about this | 00:00 | |
| Macer | i think the "avian" part makes it special | 00:00 |
| Macer | 1990 | 00:01 |
| Macer | and it is 2011 :) | 00:01 |
| dwd_ | wmarone, It was your comment on hawks that reminded me about 2549: | 00:01 |
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| dwd_ | Encapsulation may be done with saran wrappers. Unintentional | 00:01 |
| dwd_ | encapsulation in hawks has been known to occur, with decapsulation | 00:01 |
| dwd_ | being messy and the packets mangled. | 00:01 |
| wmarone | haha | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | :D | 00:03 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, If you want a couple of examples of exceptionally clear RFCs, though, then RFC 4469 is interesting because it (intentionally) doesn't use the traditional "MUST" "SHOULD NOT" etc language, but remains very clear. | 00:04 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, And the (new, not yet published) XMPP specs are also very clear. And huge. | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | yes, I bet it would be | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, RFC writing is just another programming language (essentially), you mentioned xml to rfc, do you actually write in an IDE style editor or just normal text editor? | 00:07 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, Personally I use a straight text editor to write XML which is mostly close to xml2rfc. I've some XSL utilities to make it *exactly* right. | 00:08 |
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| Macer | hm | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | cool | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, nice chatting with you. I am vanishing \o | 00:10 |
| lcuk | dwd_, actually, one last thing - do the raw XML files relating get published along with the RFC itself? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | (ie essentially open source..) | 00:11 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Annoyingly, not. I think they are now gathering the source documents, but I don't know if they're published anywhere. | 00:12 |
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| dwd_ | But it's not too hard to take an RFC and "disassemble" it | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, thats ok, just a thought that came after thinking. | 00:19 |
| lcuk | but for now, I shall put computers out of my mind and go watching tv, have enjoyable evening all \o | 00:19 |
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| thiago | qgil: I'm in the office again today | 01:00 |
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| qgil | ok, I'll visit you in few mins :) | 01:01 |
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| lardman | lcuk: ping | 01:22 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: run! | 01:22 |
| lardman | oi! | 01:23 |
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| lardman | I'll collar you to do some testing if you're not careful! | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | oh you want him for testing? then go ahead | 01:23 |
| * lardman wonders if D-Feet is available for Maemo | 01:23 | |
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| lardman | ~curse new dsc file versions | 01:27 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, new dsc file versions ! | 01:27 |
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| lardman | CosmoHill: mBarcode DBus signalling, but I need to wait for a fix to an icon so it will compile | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | I've heard of dbus but I've never used it | 01:29 |
| lardman | sorry, missed your comment there, too busy cursing QtDBus and dsc files ;) | 01:29 |
| lardman | oh but you have if you've ever used your N900 | 01:30 |
| lardman | everything in the bg, all the signalling | 01:30 |
| lardman | between processes | 01:30 |
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| lardman | nice to hear some company is using mBarcode for stock control, not so good to hear they're moving to Android due to lack of Maemo support for the N900 | 01:31 |
| lardman | but c'est la vie | 01:32 |
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| alterego | lardman: :( | 01:33 |
| alterego | lardman: what do they need support for? :/ | 01:33 |
| lardman | dunno, I guess they are worried about remaining with Maemo for their employee phones or something | 01:34 |
| alterego | lardman: also, can't you port to symbian? I was thinking of writing a tesco direct app, like tesco did for the iPhone for symbian and maemo (in qt). | 01:34 |
| lardman | I didn't dig, was just what the programmer told me | 01:34 |
| alterego | Yeah | 01:34 |
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| lardman | could do I guess, I don't have a Symbian phone though, so not really bothered tbh | 01:34 |
| alterego | I've been doing some fun stuff getting to know GLES | 01:35 |
| alterego | Heh :) | 01:35 |
| lardman | yeah I need to do some testing of the rendering using QPainter, but lacking working N900 atm | 01:35 |
| * thiago wonders what an expert advice is on mBarcode | 01:36 | |
| lardman | thiago: mine ;) | 01:36 |
| lardman | why, what advice do you mean? | 01:36 |
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| alterego | I'm going to try rendering to pbo so I can overlay a transparent opengl scene on top of Qt widgets. | 01:36 |
| alterego | Got a really cool idea. :) | 01:36 |
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| thiago | lardman: when you read something, it shows a button for something on Expert Advice | 01:38 |
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| vgrade | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=15776#post15776, Cambridge meet spam | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | Bored? Lonely? Like Computers? Come to the Cambridge MeeGo meeting! Play with MeeGo in a fun group of peers" | 03:01 |
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| CcSsNET | hi all, anyone got meego on the apad 7" from china? | 05:31 |
| CcSsNET | 533mhz arm via cpu/256mb ddr2 ram/ 2gb ultra slow flash rom | 05:31 |
| CcSsNET | :P | 05:31 |
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| CcSsNET | maybe eprom | 05:48 |
| CcSsNET | idk that stuff yet | 05:48 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:12 |
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| lcuk | I know microsd cards have different class ratings | 11:04 |
| lcuk | but do usb sticks? | 11:04 |
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| Tm_T | lcuk: not that I know | 11:12 |
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| FxIII | hi all | 11:30 |
| amjad | hi | 11:30 |
| FxIII | is there a default user login for meego when run in a netbook ? | 11:30 |
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| amjad | try meego, meego ?? or root,meego ?? | 11:35 |
| FxIII | ok | 11:36 |
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| FxIII | both true :D | 11:36 |
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| FxIII | -sorry for newbie question- how to install app from command line? (does someting like apt-get exists?) | 11:41 |
| Bostik | zypper install FOO | 11:42 |
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| FxIII | i get an error on signature verification on repomd.xml for core and netbook | 11:46 |
| FxIII | is it normal? | 11:46 |
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| dm8tbr | FxIII: using an fresh image? that's normal | 11:48 |
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| FxIII | k | 11:49 |
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| FxIII | where is located the preference window? | 11:50 |
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| FxIII | there is a problem with the im, it tells to me that there is no connection but i can navigate... | 11:57 |
| FxIII | Offline - No Network Connection | 11:58 |
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| FxIII | on every account i done | 11:58 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: do you have any idea what is the NFC status in meego? I am working on NFC daemon (makes the whole API available via DBUS) and it seems to work on bare Linux. I wonder if I can try to push it to meego somehow | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: meego-dev sounds like a good place for discussion, or the FEA#'s for NFC | 11:59 |
| nazgee | eeeee... FEA? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | featurezilla | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nfc | 12:00 |
| nazgee | thx | 12:00 |
| FxIII | the garage application does not start | 12:01 |
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| CcSsNET | anyone own an apad? also known as android tablet, epad, iped, mid | 12:07 |
| CcSsNET | if so, ill be doing research and stuff on one and have a channel for it, #apadhax here on freenode | 12:08 |
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| CcSsNET | for the record meego flashed to a tf card doesnt boot in it, lack of inteligent bootloader i assume, anyway ill stop spamming if anyone considers this that | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | is it armv7 at all? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | or atom | 12:09 |
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| CcSsNET | arm | 12:12 |
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| kyb3R | bergie: ping | 12:12 |
| bergie | kyb3R: pong | 12:12 |
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| nebulon | hi, I need to get access to the obs with my meego.com account in order to create packages (I am terminalmode maintainer for ivi profile) | 12:28 |
| nebulon | is it the right place to ask for? :) | 12:28 |
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| alterego | nebulon: ping lbt | 12:37 |
| lbt | nebulon: hey | 12:37 |
| lbt | alterego: :) | 12:37 |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:37 |
| nebulon | hi | 12:37 |
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| alterego | Good morning ;) | 12:37 |
| lbt | nebulon: you probably want to use the main OBS? I just do the community one. | 12:37 |
| lbt | morning alterego | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | nebulon: for build.meego.com, request an account on community infrastructure -> build infrastructure | 12:38 |
| lbt | nebulon: I think you need to log a bug to get access | 12:38 |
| lbt | as Stskeeps says... | 12:38 |
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| lbt | nebulon: of course you can have access to community too if you want to do anything there | 12:38 |
| nebulon | ok, hopefully this gets through quickly...featurefreeze is end of this week? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | nebulon: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | nebulon: quite late to package it up, but good luck - community obs should be OK for general packaging i guess too | 12:39 |
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| nebulon | in order to get it into the ivi profile, I need the "main" OBS? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | nebulon: pretty much, or someone else submitting the package for you | 12:40 |
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| nebulon | ok, I'll try to get it in there :-) | 12:41 |
| nebulon | thanks! | 12:41 |
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| nebulon | "community infrastructure -> build infrastructure" this is for community...how is the way to get access to the main obs? | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | nebulon: no, that's for build.meego.com | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | we're all in the community together :) there's just a difference between main OBS, which is for people who have commit access, resources for the 'product' and community which is for all sorts of development | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | like app development | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | And the community obs doesn't have an entry there... yet. | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | there's no good scheduling of resources to prioritize the 'product' above all other builds, hence seperation | 12:45 |
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| nebulon | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 12:51 |
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| nebulon | is the bug entry, so you get my reasons explained? | 12:51 |
| nebulon | and my user account :) | 12:52 |
| nebulon | (I'm from the Qt team in nokia) | 12:52 |
| Myrtti | wwwwwhheeeeee http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5348304277/ | 12:52 |
| Myrtti | I feel like a winner | 12:52 |
| mece | Myrtti, what am I looking at? | 12:53 |
| Myrtti | mece: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-intro.html | 12:53 |
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| mece | oh hehehe :) | 12:54 |
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| Myrtti | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/images/qml-intro-anchors3.png :-D | 12:54 |
| * mece <3 qml | 12:54 | |
| Myrtti | this actually might be the first ever chance of me creating some software with GUI | 12:56 |
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| mece | I've got this twitter client/rss reader I'm working on that I'd like to try on meego (all versions) so I'm wondering where I might find some nice docs for packaging? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial | 12:57 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, thank you | 13:00 |
| mece | rtm | 13:00 |
| mece | erm | 13:00 |
| mece | that page didn't exist! | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial | 13:01 |
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| FxIII | there is something like easy_install for install python packages under meego? | 13:26 |
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| lcuk | FxIII, not sure | 13:35 |
| FxIII | mmh | 13:35 |
| lcuk | when doing a boot only from usb stick on x86 ideapad - is it loading complete drivers/os etc or is there a difference in (for example) which kernel mods are used. (not sure so asking) | 13:35 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, http://twitpic.com/3pc4mx | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 13:52 |
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| raghum | New to Meego. Which of the link to use for creating an account "http://build.meego.com" or "https://build.pub.meego.com"? What's the difference? | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | raghum: build.meego.com is for the meego release work, ie, people with commit to submit packages to meego | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | build.pub.meego.com is for all other activities, OSS, around/towards meego, such as app development, platform hacking, etc | 14:06 |
| raghum | Thanks Stskeeps. | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | build.pub.meego.com you need to have a meego.com account for and to query lbt or X-Fade with your purpose, since it's still a bit weak in terms of build power | 14:08 |
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| Stskeeps | build.meego.com is community infrastructure -> build service, on bugs.meego.com | 14:08 |
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| raghum | Stskeeps, Thanks for the info. | 14:13 |
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| * Zuhaitz Yann Tiersen - Fuck me | 14:28 | |
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| lbt | raghum: I'm about to get a flight... can you ping me tomorrow? | 14:48 |
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| vgrade-nexus | <lcuk> vgrade, ping me tomorrow please. | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | vgrade-nexus, thanks \o i might even be able to remember what I wanted you for | 15:12 |
| * lcuk reviews scrollback | 15:13 | |
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| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 15:13 |
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| raghum | lbt, I will ping you tomorrow. | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | I suppose I should go to uni and do some work | 15:34 |
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| dneary | Interesting discussion on meego-dev, I think, today | 16:43 |
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| vgrade-nexus | :) | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | dneary, theres been interesting discussion around most of the #meego-* channels today | 16:52 |
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| dneary | lcuk, I miss anything on packaging, arm, ivi, netbook | 16:52 |
| dneary | I'm just on dev & community, I think | 16:53 |
| lcuk | dneary, sure | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | I guess you are meaning this thread and related: | 16:54 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-January/480975.html | 16:54 |
| dneary | so what else interesting is happening? | 16:54 |
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| dneary | lcuk, Yeah | 16:54 |
| esdf | hi, any meego phone yet? | 16:54 |
| esdf | or can meego be installed on nokia n8? | 16:55 |
| dneary | That's my best description of it, I think | 16:55 |
| iekku | esdf, n900 is supported | 16:55 |
| esdf | (or any other nokia smartphone on that note)? | 16:55 |
| dneary | esdf, You can install it on an N900 | 16:55 |
| dneary | But it's hardly recommended | 16:55 |
| esdf | ok, but not n8? | 16:55 |
| esdf | dneary: why so? | 16:55 |
| esdf | well dno, n900 is not available nowhere in croatia so i doubt i'll get that phone ;/ | 16:55 |
| dneary | esdf, Well, because it's being built & tailored for different hardware, plus it's not finished yet | 16:55 |
| dneary | So you'll be getting a cut-down & slow version of the meego experience | 16:56 |
| esdf | dneary: ah, so is tehre any phone taht can actually support the proper meego version? | 16:56 |
| dneary | All depends on what you mean by "proper meego version". MeeGo 1.2 will be the first version which will be available on a phone, and it's not out yet | 16:57 |
| esdf | dneary: by proper i mean not cut down and slow version | 16:57 |
| lcuk | dneary, technically meego project is not being specifically targeted for a single piece of hardware. | 16:57 |
| dneary | The 1.1 smartphone UX was pretty poor. It works ok on an Aava though, apparently (although I can't say) | 16:57 |
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| esdf | no clue what's aava :S | 16:57 |
| esdf | anyone tried it on n8? | 16:57 |
| dneary | lcuk, Yes - meego core is general, but Nokia's first phone will be meego core + custom UX | 16:58 |
| esdf | "ARM based Nokia N900" says here, but there's other ARM based phones | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | dneary, :) the user did not mention any specific vendor :) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | he merely asked if there was a meego phone | 16:58 |
| lcuk | dneary, also, the n900 is improving day by day | 17:00 |
| esdf | well, speaking of, when's the first meego phone coming out? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | harpfp and sgx upgrades are being shoved in | 17:00 |
| esdf | + is meego really gonna replace symbian? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | esdf, wrt specifics, go talk directly to Nokia PR | 17:00 |
| esdf | ;( | 17:00 |
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| esdf | i mean from what ive heard symbian gets discontinued after v4 | 17:01 |
| esdf | and nokia uses meego | 17:01 |
| esdf | but i've no idea how soon that happens and is there any point in buying symbian3 device now | 17:01 |
| lcuk | if I buy a pair of shoes today | 17:02 |
| lcuk | and the company who makes them stops making them tomorrow | 17:02 |
| lcuk | does that make my shoes any less comfortable? | 17:02 |
| esdf | not the same thing really | 17:02 |
| esdf | if os gets discontinued then it probably means no new software or updates | 17:02 |
| esdf | basically, waste of money | 17:02 |
| * javispedro ponders when exactly did this change of mentality happen | 17:03 | |
| esdf | same as when 3dfx went bankrupt, 2-3 months after i bought my latest voodoo card | 17:03 |
| lcuk | javispedro, which? | 17:03 |
| esdf | only thing available was community made drivers | 17:03 |
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| esdf | :D | 17:03 |
| javispedro | lcuk: expecting "new software or updates" for a released product, I mean. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | lo Texrat | 17:04 |
| esdf | javispedro: do you expect patches for windows7? or your linux distro? | 17:04 |
| Texrat | hey guys | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | \o Texrat | 17:04 |
| Texrat | ok | 17:04 |
| javispedro | hey Texrat :) | 17:04 |
| * lcuk wonders if texrat is ircing barefooted | 17:05 | |
| Texrat | going crazy waiting to hear from nokia siemens networks about an interview | 17:05 |
| javispedro | esdf: not debating anything. Just wondering when the change happened. | 17:05 |
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| Texrat | no lcuk i'm in office, waiting for a meeting | 17:05 |
| javispedro | Texrat: good luck! | 17:05 |
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| esdf | javispedro: oh.. well dno, im always like that :D | 17:05 |
| lcuk | Texrat, ahh | 17:05 |
| Texrat | thanks javispedro. i really want this | 17:06 |
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| javispedro | :) | 17:06 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, probably when mobile devices became more like laptops. | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, also: 770 | 17:08 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, the shoes aren't very comfortable today. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | The first PDA I got that received a single upgrade was the N810 :) | 17:08 |
| javispedro | ... it was also the last ssu ;) | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, but they could release a modification that removes the iron spikes from the insole. | 17:09 |
| RST38h | moorning javispedro | 17:10 |
| RST38h | hey GAN, lcuk | 17:10 |
| javispedro | hey RST38h | 17:10 |
| dwd_ | GAN900, You bought shoes with iron spikes in? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | GAN900, the spikes aren't a problem, its the cheese wire laces that bug me, especially when I try to tighten them | 17:11 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, Did you get these from a "specialist" shop, that shipped items in discrete plain packaging? | 17:11 |
| lcuk | dwd_, I got them as a bonus in with my variable sword | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | dwd_, yeah, apparently I'm still an idiot. | 17:13 |
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| javispedro | iron spikes, cheese wire laces. | 17:14 |
| javispedro | did I travel to an alternate reality? :) | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | dwd_, but it uses a non-toxic fabric that no other manufacturer uses. | 17:14 |
| RST38h | soooooooooo | 17:14 |
| dwd_ | javispedro, Yes. One where the N9 was released on time. | 17:14 |
| RST38h | What is new and exciting? | 17:14 |
| javispedro | nothing =) | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, Verizon's announcement seems to have renewed the "Is that an iPhone?" questions. | 17:15 |
| lcuk | hardfp is being tested | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | works awesome(TM) | 17:15 |
| lcuk | and with its offered 700000% speed increases should be quite good when its through ;) | 17:15 |
| lcuk | (YMMV :P) | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | i'm more looking forward to speedrpm | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | fast ARM builds | 17:16 |
| javispedro | by the non-exciting way, I got the lenovo s10-3t recovery DVDs (free =) ). I could upload them somewhere (2 full dvds) if anyone wanted the ugly&useless windows starter back | 17:16 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps | 17:16 |
| RST38h | GAN: Verizon made a Nokia-related announcement??? | 17:16 |
| lcuk | how s the vsync and power management patches coming Stskeeps | 17:16 |
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| lardman | yes, I didn't quite get that bit either | 17:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The canonical figure is "over 9000%" =) | 17:17 |
| lcuk | i know ile now has them on his build but its hard to see when it will emerge into the final build | 17:17 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: a probably stupid question: did you get sgx hardfp binaries? | 17:17 |
| javispedro | or libraries | 17:18 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sigh | 17:18 |
| lcuk | no, you cannot upload the windows dvd anywhere legally | 17:18 |
| lardman | javispedro: I asked that too, but apparently not needed as kernel side | 17:18 |
| lardman | I don't think anything is fp in the kernel is it? | 17:18 |
| javispedro | lcuk: they will only boot on a s10-3t, theoretically you could make those if you had kept the windows stuff. | 17:19 |
| lcuk | javispedro, sure, afaik I can contact lenovo directly and get same disks | 17:19 |
| lcuk | but the fact of you uploading is whats wrong | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | that little copyright thing | 17:19 |
| javispedro | lcuk: well, didn't think that way but you're probably right. | 17:20 |
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| javispedro | lardman: actually wheter kernel-libs interface changes was another question I had. but the libraries surely must be changed aiui? | 17:20 |
| lardman | yes the opengl stuff I guess would be | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yes | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: for the sake of completeness, you can also build the disks by restoring the recovery partition (if nothing overwrote it). that is how I did it. | 17:22 |
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| javispedro | sfdisk data for it is start=457453568, size= 30943600, Id=12 , if anyone's interested. | 17:23 |
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| hena | sigh, there's so much to do with this netbook, i don't even know where to start from | 17:24 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, re: Modest and the use of the term "nice". Are you sure that's the word you were looking for? ;) | 17:25 |
| dneary | GAN900, Did I say nice? | 17:25 |
| dneary | I thought I said promising for Anjal | 17:26 |
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| lardman | what's he going to do with it? | 17:27 |
| lardman | make it better? | 17:28 |
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| magius_pendragon | are any media players other than banshee in the repos? | 17:29 |
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| dneary | magius_pendragon, rhythmbox | 17:29 |
| magius_pendragon | dneary: I'll try it, thanks | 17:30 |
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| dneary | magius_pendragon, You're welcome | 17:30 |
| magius_pendragon | banshee is currently refusing to play anything. | 17:30 |
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| Myrtti | does it howl on the moors instead? | 17:33 |
| magius_pendragon | Myrtti: I'd prefer howling. At least then it'd be producing sound. | 17:34 |
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| Myrtti | fairy 'nuff | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | ;-) | 17:35 |
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| dneary | magius_pendragon, is it this bug? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11697 | 17:35 |
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| FxIII | are there some issue on booting when installing from a removable device to an usb drive ? | 17:35 |
| dneary | magius_pendragon, The quality guys are having trouble reproducing it | 17:36 |
| FxIII | i booted the live version from a usb drive, then i tried to install to a usb memory | 17:36 |
| FxIII | upon boot the kernel complains it cant mount the root partition | 17:37 |
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| FxIII | (I changed the root=/dev/sdc1 to sda1,sdb1 to be secure) | 17:37 |
| FxIII | any idea? | 17:38 |
| magius_pendragon | dneary: could be related, but I don't have the error msg | 17:38 |
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| magius_pendragon | dneary: rhythmbox won't play any of them either soo... | 17:40 |
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| dneary | codecs? | 17:42 |
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| dneary | try from command line, see what shows up | 17:43 |
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| magius_pendragon | dneary: rhythmbox is giving me empty file errors on all the defaults, and code errors on anything I downloaded myself. So progress | 17:43 |
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| dneary | magius_pendragon, hmmm. 1.1 with all the updates? You have enough disk space? | 17:44 |
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| Texrat | meeting over, yay | 17:47 |
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| magius_pendragon | dneary: yes, I have plenty of disk space. 1.1 with updates repos, though nothing's really been "updated" in months | 17:49 |
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| dneary | magius_pendragon, No idea, then, sorry | 17:57 |
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| dneary | Hi qgil | 17:57 |
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| qgil | hi dneary - glad to see you involved in the MeeGo Conference organization | 17:58 |
| Texrat | hello qgil | 17:58 |
| qgil | morning Texrat :) | 17:58 |
| dneary | qgil, Glad to be involved | 17:58 |
| qgil | X-Fade lbt_away ping | 17:58 |
| dneary | Still wondering how much useful information will come from the call for venues | 17:59 |
| lardman | qgil: he said he was catching a flight, but you may already know that | 17:59 |
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| dneary | qgil, I think Amy's idea of asking for a minimum of information with proposals (name of venu, capable of holding X people total, Y in biggest room, and maybe contact details of manager) will help | 18:00 |
| dneary | qgil, Some interesting unanswered questions in my replies on meego-dev today | 18:00 |
| dneary | Some opportunities to identify places where people can contribute | 18:00 |
| qgil | dneary: me too, but it's good to give chances to potential venues | 18:00 |
| qgil | dneary: landing on my mailbox right now... | 18:00 |
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| * andre__ wondering what the timeframe for the next MeeGo conf is | 18:02 | |
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| dwd_ | Is there anything MeeGoish happening at FOSDEM? | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, at least me and X-Fade are going lol | 18:09 |
| lcuk | bergie as well afaik | 18:09 |
| Texrat | that should do it lcuk :D | 18:09 |
| lcuk | dunno about any specific meego stuff tho | 18:09 |
| Texrat | You guys are meego enough | 18:10 |
| dneary | dwd_, There will be at least one MeeGo presentation in the embedded devroom | 18:11 |
| dneary | And at least one Qt on embedded presentation | 18:11 |
| * lcuk had not actually checked the presentations yet | 18:11 | |
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| lcuk | dneary, is there a schedule link | 18:11 |
| dwd_ | Ah, what day's that? | 18:11 |
| dwd_ | (I'm mostly tied up on the Saturday) | 18:11 |
| dneary | lcuk, No, you're getting advance notice from a deep throat inside source :) | 18:12 |
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| lcuk | \o/ | 18:12 |
| dneary | dwd_, I think Sunday. Where's the bodage room on Saturday? | 18:12 |
| * dneary tries to clean up his mind. But "I'm tied up" is one of those phrases I never understood :) | 18:13 | |
| dwd_ | dneary, I did check with Google to see if there was some meaning of "bodage" aside from "I'm kinky but can't type". | 18:13 |
| dneary | I sometimes think that phrases like "hanging around", "he's tied up", etc were created for punchlines in cheesy TV crime shows | 18:14 |
| dneary | dwd_, bondage - thanks for the correction. | 18:14 |
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| dneary | Morning DawnFoster | 18:14 |
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| Texrat | hello dawnfoster | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | afternoon dneary | 18:14 |
| DawnFoster | hey texrat | 18:14 |
| dwd_ | dneary, But no, Saturday I'm doing XMPP for the afternoon. | 18:14 |
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| Texrat | alright, just joined meego-pm mail list. let the fun begin | 18:16 |
| * thiago is a PM and wonders if he should join the meego-pm ML | 18:17 | |
| Texrat | go for it thiago | 18:17 |
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| Texrat | i'm glad to see a pm focus for meego | 18:19 |
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| thiago | pm focus has existed | 18:20 |
| thiago | there was just no ML before | 18:20 |
| Texrat | although i am curious as to where it will ultimately go, what all it will cover | 18:20 |
| dwd_ | What's "PM" in this context? | 18:21 |
| Texrat | right, thiago, with list comes communications and awareness | 18:21 |
| Texrat | product management | 18:21 |
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| thiago | often when I tell people I am a PM, I have to explain what my job is anyway | 18:22 |
| Texrat | same with change management thiago. people just smile and nod | 18:22 |
| Texrat | my wife just says: 'he works with computers.' lol | 18:23 |
| thiago | unless it's a voice call. In which case you have to grumble and do "uh-huh" sounds. | 18:23 |
| DawnFoster | actually product management and program management. | 18:23 |
| DawnFoster | the list has existed for months | 18:23 |
| Texrat | right, thanks dawnfoster | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | gettting anyone to use it is another story :) | 18:24 |
| DawnFoster | I think they are going to start using it now, though | 18:24 |
| lcuk | well it helps if you inform the PMs ;) (example: thiago did not know about it) | 18:24 |
| thiago | lcuk: but then you have to find who the PMs are, which is usually done by posting in a ML | 18:25 |
| Texrat | and around and around we go | 18:25 |
| DawnFoster | here's the official list of PMs: http://meego.com/about/governance/program-office | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | and here: http://wiki.meego.com/Product_Management | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | thiago isn't on the official list anyway :) | 18:26 |
| qgil | DawnFoster: who is thiago anyway :) | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | he's someone who needs to get himself on the "list" of PMs, I think ;) | 18:27 |
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| dneary | qgil, I think he's Portugese | 18:30 |
| thiago | portuguese people spell it without the h | 18:30 |
| dneary | thiago, So where are you from? | 18:30 |
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| thiago | brazil | 18:30 |
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| qgil | thiago is an upstream PM from Brazil, enjoying the Fjords | 18:31 |
| dneary | thiago, Ah. That's almost Portugese, isn't it? | 18:31 |
| dneary | ;) | 18:31 |
| thiago | dneary: same language, different country | 18:31 |
| Texrat | fyi gang: i am being considered for an interview with nokia siemens networks for job i really want... please think positive thoughts for me! | 18:31 |
| thiago | pt vs pt_BR | 18:31 |
| dneary | qgil, Is Norway upstream of Finland? | 18:31 |
| thiago | Texrat: crossing my fingers! | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: good luck! | 18:31 |
| qgil | dneary: is a fork | 18:31 |
| thiago | dneary: depends on the river or current, I guess | 18:31 |
| dneary | qgil, I thought that was Sweden :) | 18:32 |
| thiago | well, both are a fork of sweden | 18:32 |
| dneary | (ah... the silliness. Good for you sometimes) | 18:32 |
| thiago | Norway separated in 1905 | 18:32 |
| qgil | thiago: well, all of them are as fork from Iceland | 18:32 |
| dneary | thiago, Presumably because of differences of product vision with the maintainers? | 18:32 |
| thiago | yup | 18:33 |
| dneary | qgil, I thought Denmark, actually? Isn't that where the Vikings came from? | 18:33 |
| thiago | you know, they didn't speak the same language as the maintainers | 18:33 |
| thiago | dneary: Vikings were Norse | 18:33 |
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| mwichmann | finland had yet another maintainer for a while too | 18:34 |
| dneary | thiago, Insufficient internationalisation support in the product... I've seen that before | 18:34 |
| thiago | well, enough of this. I need to do a checkout now... | 18:35 |
| thiago | check out of the hotel and go to the office | 18:36 |
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| thiago | qgil: I have a meeting from 10:00 to 12:00 and 2:00 to 4:00 | 18:36 |
| dneary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Viking_Expansion.svg - looks like Denmark and some Norway to me | 18:36 |
| dneary | and some sweden | 18:37 |
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| thiago | qgil: the 10:00 meeting is off-site, so we'll need to talk after lunch. Ok for you? | 18:38 |
| qgil | thiago: ok for me | 18:39 |
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| mwichmann | okay, at least this link now contains the proper subdirectories, via symlink | 18:42 |
| mwichmann | http://dev.linuxfoundation.org/betaspecs/ | 18:42 |
| mwichmann | can someone poke a bit to make sure they're actually working, and not just for me | 18:43 |
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| mwichmann | I'll see if I can hack up a front-end page to put here | 18:43 |
| mwichmann | sorry, wrong tab, guys! | 18:43 |
| qgil | mwichmann: but it works ;) | 18:43 |
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| mwichmann | that's good! | 18:44 |
| mwichmann | just not utterly relevant here... | 18:44 |
| * dwd_ is wondering if the Viking Expansion is a free download, or if it's a paid-for addon. | 18:45 | |
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| qgil | dwd_: people invaded by Vikings tend to think they didn't come for free | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | mwichmann: as opposed to the highly relevant viking conversations we're also having here :) | 18:48 |
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| poutsi | spam spam spam spam etc | 18:49 |
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| dwd_ | DawnFoster, Anyone would think you were being sarcastic. | 18:50 |
| DawnFoster | dwd_: never! | 18:50 |
| DawnFoster | oh wait, was that sarcastic, too? | 18:50 |
| lcuk | mwichmann, oh nice, LSB stuff :) | 18:50 |
| lcuk | was wondering about that yesterday when I went through the glossary | 18:51 |
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| dwd_ | DawnFoster, I wouldn't know. I don't really understand this sarcasm thing. | 18:52 |
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| mwichmann | can ask any question you want (irc.freestandards.org/#lsb is the more native way) | 18:56 |
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| qgil | DawnFoster: landing in Portland next Monday at 17h, aiming to be on time for http://meego.com/community/events/2011/lmn-portland-meego-network | 19:07 |
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| DawnFoster | qgil: great! The meeting is right downtown, so you'll have plenty of time to get there | 19:13 |
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| guedes | Is it possible to load a ubi rootfs through n900 flasher-3.5? If so, what should go on bootargs parameter root= ? | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: how do we best get the machinename stuff on the road, ideally this week? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i'm volunteering for ARM side of it | 19:56 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: what's machinename? | 20:00 |
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| sivang | bugzilla will not make me surrender, I am going to find that bug! | 20:02 |
| * sivang refines search | 20:02 | |
| sivang | I wish bugzilla had a 'view recently by you' feature. | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | sivang: meego-packaging, latest post | 20:08 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: /me ponders | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | asbout? | 20:23 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: aegis-certman | 20:24 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | aegis is now MSSF, afaik | 20:24 |
| Texrat | hey sivang | 20:25 |
| sivang | hey Texrat | 20:25 |
| sivang | Texrat: what's up? | 20:25 |
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| Texrat | not much, sivang, other than waiting to hear if i'll get an interview with nokia siemens networks | 20:30 |
| Texrat | supposed to hear soon | 20:30 |
| Texrat | going crazy waiting...lol | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, | 20:51 |
| lcuk | your media player | 20:51 |
| lcuk | it depends on MAFW doesnt it? | 20:52 |
| lcuk | i dont know much about how MAFW works just having the initial announce where it said it supported different backends | 20:52 |
| lcuk | does it still do, and if you used one of them can it work on meego? | 20:52 |
| lardman | I think Meego has moved to a successor, but can't remember what it;s called | 20:53 |
| * lardman tries to remember | 20:53 | |
| lardman | Grilo | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, mafw should work I think | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo still uses tracker | 20:54 |
| lcuk | yeah lardman I am just thinking from perspective of MohammadAG having startings for it | 20:54 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, do the frontend layouts build/run ? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 20:54 |
| lcuk | you got screenies on meego? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | but they're not themed, so I'm assuming that's MeeGo not having themes for Qt? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | nope, don't know how to take a screenshot :P | 20:55 |
| lcuk | hmm this discussion came up the other day | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | could someone give me their /proc/cpuinfo from a n900? my network is acting up | 20:56 |
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| lardman | my N900 is acting up ;) | 20:57 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: email address? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | pastebin | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/iiP1uQjc | 20:57 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | lardman, whats up with your n900? | 20:58 |
| * lcuk knows its something on the screen | 20:58 | |
| lardman | touchscreen broken, can see but not interact | 20:58 |
| lardman | which is bad news as there are few if any kb shortcuts | 20:58 |
| lcuk | yeah, on unrelated topic I ribbed Mat_Matan about that yesterday | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | the touchscreen on my n810 is dodgy | 20:59 |
| lcuk | it works when keyboard is slid out | 20:59 |
| * lardman votes for an Alt key on the next device | 20:59 | |
| lcuk | but doesnt when its closed up | 20:59 |
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| lardman | cable I guess | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | lardman, your device is one of the preprod ones isnt it? | 21:00 |
| lardman | I think my screen is knackered, if I touch it I sometimes get a mouse down event, but never a mouse up event, which is especially bad as the focus is then lost from the xterm | 21:00 |
| lardman | yeah | 21:00 |
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| lardman | it's apparently still in warranty according to the Nokia website :) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | eek | 21:01 |
| lardman | anyway doesn't seem worth buying a new one, and am not sure if Nokia want it back so am loathe to send it off and possibly have the repair centre turn around and demand £100 (or whatever) for a new screen | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, how do you check that? | 21:02 |
| lardman | Ask and wait for answer | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman, who sorted it out for you initially | 21:03 |
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| lardman | I thought you did ;) | 21:04 |
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| * lcuk grins, can't have been totally | 21:05 | |
| lcuk | it was Jussi Mäkinen | 21:06 |
| lardman | yes indeed | 21:06 |
| * lcuk opens outlook | 21:06 | |
| lardman | you poor chap | 21:07 |
| Mat_Matan | lcuk: hi, so, you read Pippa Passes? :P | 21:07 |
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| * lardman transitioned to Thunderbird and is quite happy | 21:07 | |
| lardman | I guess from texrat's leaving he either did or didn't get that interview then | 21:08 |
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| Texrat | feh | 21:08 |
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| Texrat | damn xchat ui | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | Hi lardman | 21:09 |
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| lardman | ah, I was wrong | 21:09 |
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| lardman | hey fiferboy | 21:09 |
| lardman | Texrat: thought you'd either got or not got that interview and had left :) | 21:09 |
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| Texrat | still no call lardman | 21:10 |
| Texrat | making me nuts | 21:10 |
| Texrat | hey timoph | 21:10 |
| timoph | o/ | 21:10 |
| Texrat | timoph what is mjolk? | 21:11 |
| lcuk | lardman, in more uplifting news: | 21:11 |
| lcuk | Bug 5711 - Kernel OMAP SGX driver is a development snapshot and does not support hardware assisted vsync | 21:11 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 maj, High, ---, ilkka.koskinen, RELE FIXED, Kernel OMAP SGX driver is a development snapshot and does not support hardware assisted vsync | 21:11 |
| lcuk | changed to RELEASED FIXED | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | kernel side, i think the gfx driver changes are still in teesting | 21:12 |
| timoph | Texrat: milk in swedish :) | 21:12 |
| Texrat | lol | 21:12 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps but seeing the sgx vsync FIXED in the same mail makes me smile | 21:12 |
| lardman | yay, vsync for everyone :) | 21:13 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | partly because of this page ^^ | 21:13 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Did you get the mic working? | 21:13 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, I confirmed on the bug earlier | 21:13 |
| lcuk | yes, 1.2 release WORKS | 21:13 |
| lcuk | :DF so another :D:D | 21:13 |
| fiferboy | Excellent! | 21:14 |
| fiferboy | I really need a fresh install | 21:14 |
| iekku | :D | 21:14 |
| lardman | fiferboy: how was Wales? | 21:14 |
| fiferboy | lardman: It wasn't too rainy, and I missed the snow - so good! | 21:14 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, i confirmed with the usb key | 21:14 |
| lardman | fiferboy: Good good :) | 21:14 |
| lcuk | boot from usb worked enough to confirm things | 21:14 |
| lcuk | before vaping entire system | 21:14 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Good poin | 21:15 |
| fiferboy | t | 21:15 |
| lcuk | so if theres specific bugs you are waiting for you can | 21:15 |
| lcuk | test | 21:15 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Does the weather there make you want to go back to India? | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, did you say you had some apps you were meegoifying? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | and did you work out how to make screenshots in handset image | 21:18 |
| lardman | fiferboy: too right | 21:18 |
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| lardman | fiferboy: glad I'm not in Queensland though | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I have meegoized my birdlist app and written a new one (lexicon) to try out the process | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm looking for more ideas, though | 21:18 |
| lardman | though heading out to see the folks in SA would be nice about now, had enough of the cold and wet | 21:18 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yeah, flash flooding is not a favourite of mine | 21:18 |
| lardman | fiferboy: I was especially taken by the mention of sharks swimming in the Brisbane streets | 21:19 |
| lcuk | o_O | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | Street sharks would not be pleasant | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | The crocs in the parks are bad enough | 21:19 |
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| lardman | sounds like a deathmatch to me | 21:20 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, well having your app running on handset and netbook | 21:20 |
| lcuk | makes it easy to picture/visualise syncing the data | 21:21 |
| lcuk | so you go out for the afternoon with handset | 21:21 |
| lcuk | and then get home and push data into big system | 21:21 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: syncing framework already in place and working :) | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | oooh neato | 21:21 |
| lardman | is that specific for your app or generic? | 21:21 |
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| lardman | since having to use Holly's old Android phone, I'm quite taken by the whole syncing thing | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | Through it is through a central mysql server | 21:22 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: That is for my apps | 21:22 |
| lardman | ok | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, does your app work in town centres on friday nights? | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | I wrote an sql model for my application and added some sync logic to communicate with a remote server | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm not sure how to answer that... | 21:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:24 |
| lardman | fiferboy: I was wondering if it would allow you to sync the whole workflow so you have exactly the same data on your netbook + handset | 21:25 |
| lardman | lcuk: hotornot? | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | lardman, well from what I recall about fiferboys' app it allows stats as well as photos :P | 21:25 |
| lardman | yeah, but does it come with a tapemeasure? | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Yes, I can sync with multiple devices each having a copy of the data, and it only takes differences from the last sync to speed it up | 21:26 |
| lardman | fiferboy: cool | 21:26 |
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| fiferboy | Now I need an app idea to code that people would actually want to use :/ | 21:26 |
| Texrat | fiferboy we need a game about Meegons ;D | 21:27 |
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| lardman | fiferboy: augmented reality? CD/book/DVD database | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | Texrat: Any ideas? | 21:28 |
| * lardman thinks of the apps he's trying to get done | 21:28 | |
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| dm8tbr | a MeeGoons jump and run maybe? :) | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | lardman: CD/book/DVD database would be right up my alley! | 21:28 |
| lardman | fiferboy: cool | 21:28 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, what will happen when 100k users go birdwatching, do they all need their own database | 21:28 |
| smoku | is there /etc/X11/Xsession.d equivalent in meego? | 21:28 |
| Texrat | I | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | Personal Library | 21:28 |
| lardman | well I've sort of started in Python - itemdb in Garage | 21:28 |
| lardman | yeah like personal library | 21:28 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, if only there was also some kind of barcode input mechanism | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, they need a mysql server unfortunately | 21:28 |
| Texrat | I am thinking angry birds but with meegons, and rubber bullets | 21:28 |
| lardman | with DBus hook into mBarcode to accept EANs | 21:28 |
| Texrat | or maybe glue guns | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | lardman: That sounds awesome | 21:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah, I've already done that you see ;) | 21:29 |
| Texrat | or silly string | 21:29 |
| lcuk | Texrat, i certainly agree we need animated meegons | 21:29 |
| lardman | fiferboy: but I've been a bit busy with the mBarcode Python plugin arch, so haven't been able to spend much time getting it working | 21:29 |
| lcuk | the ones in the video at the conf were great | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | lardman: Python? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | but making them live and controllable | 21:30 |
| lcuk | but i am off | 21:30 |
| lcuk | tracy mentioned food b4 | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and am starving | 21:30 |
| Texrat | feh | 21:30 |
| lardman | fiferboy: basically using a Python plugin to issue a DBus call to the itemdb app (or whichever) which will start it and give it the barcode, which it then looks up, compared with your existing db (as I have troubles knowing which books and DVDs I already own) and allows you to save the item in arbitrary lists | 21:31 |
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| Texrat | i will start a wiki page for meegon game ideas | 21:31 |
| lardman | fiferboy: I started in Python as I thought it would be easier to do the Amazon webscraping stuff | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | lardman: If you are already working on that I won't step on your toes | 21:31 |
| lardman | no go for it by all means | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | That sounds awesome, though. Way easier to input data | 21:31 |
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| lardman | as long as any app either listens for a BarcodeDecoded signal, or as an mBarcode plugin that will wake it and send it the data over DBus I'm happy | 21:32 |
| lardman | fiferboy: you'd prefer C++? | 21:33 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: I just haven't gotten into Python yet. C++ is what I'm using now | 21:33 |
| lardman | My initial C/C++ webscraping attempts were a little segfault-ridden :) | 21:33 |
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| fiferboy | I hear you | 21:33 |
| lardman | I'm happy with either, as long as I don't need to write bloody html parsing code! :) | 21:33 |
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| * lardman also hears something about food, bbiab | 21:35 | |
| fiferboy | I'll brain storm up some ideas for database structure and interface | 21:35 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: Do you mind if I bug you for details about barcodes some time? | 21:36 |
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| lardman|afk | fiferboy: by all means | 21:36 |
| lardman|afk | fiferboy: I'll email you my thoughts on the structure of the app so far, am more than happy to have things thrown out/changed | 21:36 |
| lardman|afk | and also happy to move to C++ if you want | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | lardman|afk: Sounds great! Thanks | 21:37 |
| * lardman|afk wonders if this Android hunk of junk has remembered fiferboy's email | 21:37 | |
| lardman|afk | ah, Google I guess? | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | lardman|afk: I'll IM you my address | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | Actually, it is the same as the IM address :) | 21:38 |
| lardman|afk | am I online somewhere? | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | lardman|afk: Not google right now, but facebook I think | 21:38 |
| lardman|afk | ok, I'll find it and if not will give you a shout in a bit | 21:38 |
| lardman|afk | fiferboy: God only knows what the wonders of Android are doing with my personal info ;) | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | lardman|afk: Only good things, I like to think | 21:38 |
| lardman|afk | lol | 21:39 |
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| alterego | qgil: hey quim, did you get my email? Happy New Year btw :) | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, how would you deal with serverless | 22:07 |
| lcuk | or alternatively, can your netbook act as server | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I haven't thought of serverless, do you have any suggestions for communication? | 22:07 |
| fiferboy | I guess having one client dedicated as the "server" would work fine with my method, but communicating between them would be the issue | 22:08 |
| dwd_ | fiferboy, XMPP? | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | From a database standpoint there is nothing that need mysql, it was just easiest to communicate remotely with | 22:09 |
| lcuk | thats certainly one possibility dwd_ :) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VArTvtR4kow | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | I will look into XMPP | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | konttori_work, has a nice qml demo showing also html webserver on device | 22:09 |
| dwd_ | fiferboy, There's some serverless stuff based around DNS-SD etc, and that's already implemented as part of the Telepathy/Gabble framework on a MeeGo (or Maemo) device. | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: A webserver on the device would work, but hopefully something with simpler set-up for the user | 22:10 |
| lcuk | dwd_, do you talk to any of my colleagues at collabora? | 22:10 |
| dwd_ | fiferboy, Whether you can hack your way into that I don't know, but I think the Collabora folk built some Tubes stuff or something to help with this kind of thing. | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | dwd_: Thanks, I'll take a look | 22:11 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, Yeah - didn't realise you were Collabora. I know Sjoerd, Will, and Rob. (Known Rob since before Collabora, he used to be in my local LUG) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | i guess you are doing the XMPP sandwich around fosdem? | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, i have tried to ask (though might have asked incorrectly) with xmpp, i have 3 devices, all acting as "me", how do I differentiate them? | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | and will messages end up at all 3 of them | 22:13 |
| lcuk | under normal circumstanes | 22:14 |
| lcuk | circumstances | 22:14 |
| lcuk | the multiple "me" devices would be handset netbook laptop | 22:15 |
| petteri | xmpp has priority, normally messages should go to client with the biggest priority | 22:15 |
| lcuk | is there a way to direct at specific device though? | 22:15 |
| petteri | you should have different resource for different devices | 22:16 |
| lcuk | so if I wanted my handset to pass data to the stay at home laptop | 22:16 |
| lcuk | petteri, different accounts? | 22:16 |
| petteri | no the same | 22:16 |
| berndhs | xmpp has "resource" ids, basically connections | 22:16 |
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| petteri | you can have petteri@jabber.org/laptop and petteri@jabber.org/desktop | 22:17 |
| lcuk | and that answers it perfectly :D | 22:17 |
| lcuk | thanks | 22:17 |
| * lcuk must have described it wrong when I was thinking about it last time | 22:17 | |
| petteri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol#Decentralization_and_addressing | 22:17 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:19 |
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| dwd_ | lcuk, Those different resources can also have difference presence. So, for example, you might have your N900 saying "Busy" and with a low priority, so messages only go there when you're not signed in at the desktop. (WHere you might be "chatty". | 22:23 |
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| qgil | hi alterego - email about what (sorry) | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, :) the more I hear about XMPP, the better it gets | 22:24 |
| dwd_ | lcuk, It's an IM system written after all the annoying bits of the other ones were well-known, so it's hardly surprising. | 22:24 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:25 | |
| smoku | dwd_, but this also gave an option to copy-paste some of the bad designs of legacy IM systems | 22:28 |
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| poutsi | now if only someone made a gateway that made the whole of ircnet and freenode accessible from jabber | 22:29 |
| smoku | poutsi, I am using such gateway right now ;P | 22:29 |
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| dwd_ | smoku, There's some poor bits of design in XMPP, for sure, but I don't think many bad things got copied from existing IM systems. | 22:30 |
| poutsi | smoku, who's hosting? | 22:30 |
| smoku | poutsi, me | 22:30 |
| poutsi | exactly :) | 22:30 |
| dwd_ | poutsi, You can find IRC gateways in plenty of places, or run your own. | 22:30 |
| smoku | poutsi, irc.chrome.im | 22:30 |
| poutsi | sorry, I actually meant a service | 22:30 |
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| poutsi | ideally it'd have to be some sort of combination of gateway and bouncer | 22:31 |
| poutsi | because I like me some backlog | 22:31 |
| smoku | dwd_, yes. not that much. mainly by early jabber. i.e what is the difference between away and xa? | 22:31 |
| dwd_ | smoku, Right, the presence <show/> bits are indeed a bit weird and underspecified. | 22:32 |
| dwd_ | smoku, Hence my continuous argument over what "busy" should mean. | 22:32 |
| smoku | poutsi, yes. this is the thing that annoys me most. fortunately most of the channels I use are logged | 22:32 |
| smoku | dwd_, these were copy-pasted from ICQ ;-) | 22:32 |
| dwd_ | smoku, Yup, fair point. :-) | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | wasn't SACII invented to enable IRC? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ASCII ffs | 22:33 |
| smoku | dwd_, but I'm in the everything-is-pubsub camp, so I fint the whole <presence/> packet unnecesary | 22:33 |
| * lcuk gets a new keyboard ;) | 22:33 | |
| poutsi | smoku, I find I've got this bi-annual thing where I feel like moving away from screen+irssi to something | 22:34 |
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| poutsi | then I always go back to the conclusion that it's just the best there is | 22:34 |
| poutsi | who knows | 22:34 |
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| poutsi | now; precious sleep | 22:35 |
| smoku | poutsi, that really depends on whether you _need_ to read the whole backlog. I don't, so the gateway suits me well | 22:35 |
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| dicebox | hello, i tried to follow the nfs-root over usb networking howto in the meego wiki, but i just get a black screen , and after around one minut my n900 reboot in storage mode | 22:38 |
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| dicebox | i managed to change some init scripts to try to get some more output | 22:38 |
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| lardman|afk | fiferboy: email en-route | 22:39 |
| dicebox | i was able two times to see errors related to nfs server access | 22:39 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|afk: Thanks, I'll hold my breath until it arrives | 22:39 |
| lardman|afk | ;) | 22:39 |
| dicebox | i'm out of idea how to get it working | 22:39 |
| dicebox | it seems it loses nfs server after some time | 22:40 |
| * fiferboy exhales | 22:40 | |
| dicebox | in host, module cdc_eem reports errors about "usb0: unexpected link command 5", it could be related | 22:42 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: Thanks for the details. Structure-wise it sounds very close to what I already have in place for birdlist | 22:50 |
| lardman | cool, well hopefully we can do some coding then | 22:51 |
| fiferboy | Multiple lists, multiple categories | 22:51 |
| lardman | only question here is how to decide the categories | 22:52 |
| lardman | e.g. list of books or DVDs would be fine, but what about a wishlist | 22:52 |
| lardman | and each db "row" would need to contain similar by slightly different data | 22:52 |
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| fiferboy | I have categories being user-defined but only one level deep right now | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | "top level" "year lists" "trip lists" etc | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | But my data is the same type for each list | 22:53 |
| lardman | I think the data here are similar enough, as long as there are enough fields to contain all the relevant info | 22:54 |
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| fiferboy | Right. You mentioned you have a start on things with itemDB? | 22:56 |
| lardman | yep, doesn't run, but shows the overall structure of the code I was thinking of | 22:56 |
| lardman | but if you prefer C++ that's not a problem | 22:57 |
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| kyb3R | Texrat: about the meegons | 22:59 |
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| Texrat | yes? | 23:01 |
| kyb3R | one of our member created some meegons already | 23:02 |
| kyb3R | http://koti.mbnet.fi/jiiskii/team_meegons.png | 23:02 |
| Texrat | i'll get them! | 23:02 |
| Texrat | ah... | 23:02 |
| kyb3R | but theres' a few difficult once, some meegons are not exactly what ppl want | 23:02 |
| Texrat | well, if you need anything more i am finally getting some free time | 23:02 |
| Texrat | ok, i csn fix | 23:03 |
| Texrat | can* | 23:03 |
| kyb3R | yes, perhaps you could take one or two of the 'hard ones' | 23:03 |
| Texrat | sorry for delay | 23:03 |
| kyb3R | np | 23:03 |
| kyb3R | I understand | 23:03 |
| Texrat | current job is a bitch... but i am hoping to hesr from nokia siemens neteorks soon on an interview | 23:04 |
| kyb3R | the second from the left (marketing) and last (Hosting) are not good | 23:04 |
| Texrat | hear* | 23:04 |
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| alterego | Good luck Texrat :) | 23:04 |
| Texrat | kyb3r i just replied to your marketing email | 23:05 |
| kyb3R | i noticed | 23:05 |
| Texrat | thanks alterego! | 23:05 |
| kyb3R | that's why I hurried here to contact you :) | 23:05 |
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| alterego | qgil: the email about a dev N900 (I'm Tom Swindell) | 23:05 |
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| alterego | We spoke before xmas, and you asked me to mail you in the new year, :) | 23:06 |
| dwd_ | kyb3R, I'd say the second from the right would be marketing, judging by the marketing folk I know. | 23:06 |
| kyb3R | :) | 23:06 |
| Texrat | ok | 23:07 |
| kyb3R | that's Party Team | 23:07 |
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| kyb3R | besides one of teams (Hacker team) does not have logo yet | 23:10 |
| * lardman has to be out of the house at 6.30am, so time for bed | 23:10 | |
| lardman | fiferboy: will give you a shout tomorow evening when I'm back | 23:10 |
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| lardman | night all | 23:10 |
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| fiferboy | lardman|gone: Night! | 23:10 |
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| Texrat | arg, three days and still no call from nsn... getting worried | 23:13 |
| Ans5i | what's nsn? | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | The girl who's not going to call Texrat back. :P | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | i think teams could also draft their own suggestion. | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | ah ok :) | 23:15 |
| kyb3R | Nokia Siemens Network | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | yeah i guess that. i was just wondering. | 23:15 |
| Ans5i | i worked there few years. | 23:16 |
| alterego | Nokia bought Siemens? | 23:16 |
| Ans5i | no? | 23:16 |
| Ans5i | they merged their network stuff | 23:16 |
| kyb3R | Ans5i: really give bunch of kernel hackers freedom to draft a logo for them? huh :) | 23:17 |
| Ans5i | draft. | 23:17 |
| Ans5i | some symbol that they can identify | 23:17 |
| alterego | Oh right | 23:17 |
| Ans5i | less brainwork artists like Texrat | 23:17 |
| Texrat | no alterego, it's a spinoff | 23:17 |
| Texrat | what's that ans51? | 23:18 |
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| kyb3R | Ans5i: but the time it probably takes is longer than we have | 23:18 |
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| Texrat | shaddap gan900. .. i need you to think positive. | 23:18 |
| Texrat | bastage | 23:19 |
| Ans5i | Texrat: There isn't too many artist. but if people want some symbol for identification it should be too difficult to invent in brain strom. | 23:19 |
| Texrat | there are several people in meego with graphics skills, just can't get them engaged... | 23:20 |
| Texrat | gan900 i WANT this job! | 23:20 |
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| alterego | GAN900: hasn't thought positive since the 80s | 23:21 |
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| alterego | Actually since the N800 | 23:21 |
| Texrat | he was a baby then | 23:21 |
| Ans5i | bastage? | 23:22 |
| Texrat | slang | 23:22 |
| Ans5i | me? | 23:22 |
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| DawnFoster | texrat's trying not to trigger my profanity filter :) | 23:22 |
| Texrat | hey i'm hanging with some pandaboard folks tonight... beer, etc | 23:22 |
| Texrat | not you ans51, gan900 | 23:23 |
| Texrat | he knows he's a bastage | 23:23 |
| Ans5i | no stress. have nice evening :) | 23:24 |
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| Texrat | but a good one | 23:24 |
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| Ans5i | yep. | 23:24 |
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| Ans5i | there is other places than nsn too. | 23:24 |
| Texrat | true, but the job they have is perfect for me in every way | 23:25 |
| Texrat | current job sucks | 23:25 |
| GAN900 | Ehehe | 23:25 |
| alterego | I'm tempted to get a panda board, | 23:25 |
| Texrat | quiet you | 23:25 |
| alterego | But I'm tempted to get a few things. | 23:25 |
| alterego | Kindle or Pandaboard | 23:26 |
| Texrat | hang tight, alterego, a few free ones will be available | 23:26 |
| alterego | Will be my next purchase when I have the cash | 23:26 |
| GAN900 | DawnFoster, bastage is perfectly ligitimate profanity. | 23:26 |
| alterego | That would be helpful :) | 23:26 |
| Texrat | for innovative projects | 23:26 |
| GAN900 | It's bastard without the implication of out-of-wedlock parentage. | 23:27 |
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| DawnFoster | GAN900: but I have to harass Texrat about something :) | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | alterego, Kindle is pointless when you have an N900. | 23:27 |
| Texrat | really? i didn't mean to be so easy on you gan900 | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | He's a Californian stuck in Texas. He's harassed enough. *g* | 23:28 |
| alterego | GAN900: I dunno, the screen is nicer for reading | 23:28 |
| DawnFoster | GAN900: excellent point | 23:28 |
| Texrat | being harassed = acknowledgement of existence | 23:28 |
| Texrat | true gan900 | 23:28 |
| Texrat | tired of texas | 23:28 |
| GAN900 | alterego, meh, the N900 is always with you. | 23:28 |
| Ans5i | Texrat: what kind of job that would be? | 23:28 |
| alterego | That and I can read a book and use the N900 at the same time :P | 23:28 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, income tax there? | 23:29 |
| Texrat | no | 23:29 |
| alterego | tbh, I'd carry the kindle with me 80 pc of the time, and sure, the N900 is around when I'm caught off guard. | 23:29 |
| Texrat | but way too many hateful rednecks | 23:29 |
| Texrat | material for dawnfoster's new site | 23:30 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: you should submit some pics :) | 23:30 |
| Texrat | i'll try | 23:31 |
| Texrat | my family for starters | 23:31 |
| alterego | Oh gawd, not another porn site | 23:32 |
| Texrat | buncha bigots... | 23:32 |
| Texrat | lmao alterego | 23:32 |
| alterego | "Sex Rat" - "Bought to you by Porn Forster" | 23:33 |
| alterego | too far? | 23:33 |
| Texrat | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkk | 23:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:35 |
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