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| hlzxy | can obs recover data? like I remove the file in a package, can obs recover it? | 03:30 |
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| odin_ | hlzxy, yes obs can... you can checkout a specific version of a package (which will recover the file-set committed in that version, thus potentially undeleting it from your local working copy) | 04:29 |
| odin_ | hlzxy, maybe syntax: osc checkout -r 42 PROJECT PACKAGE FILE # is relevant | 04:30 |
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| hlzxy | odin_: ok,I will try, thanks | 04:32 |
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| hlzxy | odin_: obs seems good to manage these package if this function exist. is it can manage meego itself with other version control system like git? | 04:35 |
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| odin_ | hlzxy, the SCM system employed by the backend of OBS itself is just a single system, but I think there is some support for linkage of a package to an external git repo (for pulling sources/tarballs at least), not sure what you mean by "manage meego itself" | 04:41 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Anyone know if the Amino STB with MeeGo is actually for sale? Should we add it to http://wiki.meego.com/Devices ? Or not yet? | 05:05 |
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| ali1234 | Alison_Chaiken: amino don't sell individual units afaik so it will be through a reseller eg a cable company | 05:23 |
| thiago | usually CPE | 05:24 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 05:25 |
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| thiago | except for digital TV receivers (for connecting to TVs without digital tuners), I've never seen an STB that one can buy | 05:26 |
| ali1234 | the TV system at the aviva stadium uses older amino IPTV units, not meego but linux | 05:26 |
| thiago | moblin | 05:27 |
| ali1234 | no, not moblin | 05:27 |
| ali1234 | they rolled their own afaik | 05:27 |
| hlzxy | odin_:src.rpm is so many and no structure, need i arrange them as source code structure if I want to use git to manage them | 05:27 |
| ali1234 | unless you know better | 05:27 |
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| thiago | they were using Moblin before MeeGo came along | 05:28 |
| thiago | I don't know if they shipped that unit or if it became the one that uses MeeGo today | 05:28 |
| ali1234 | i didn't think their earliest units had the power to run moblin tbh | 05:29 |
| thiago | I remember because Dominique came to Oslo once and he was telling me he wanted to use Graphics View, but performance sucked on the Sodaville | 05:29 |
| ali1234 | they've always used linux though | 05:29 |
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| thiago | can't come to Vegas and not do it | 05:30 |
| thiago | and the good thing of being poor is that I know when to stop :-) | 05:31 |
| thiago | bbl | 05:31 |
| odin_ | house always wins, have fun | 05:34 |
| odin_ | hlzxy, you are not clear in what you are trying to do (with meego, with src.rpm's, with OBS) | 05:34 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | The point is though, the wiki page is meant to demonstrate that HW based on meego is actually shipping. I don't think it's important whether consumers can buy it as long as someone can. | 05:45 |
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| RST38h | Alison: Meego-capable netbooks have been shipping for ages. | 05:50 |
| RST38h | Alison: But it is handsets and tablets everyone is eagerly waiting for, as you can run much more suitable OSes on a netbook | 05:51 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | RST38h, what you say is perfectly true. I just think it's a good idea to build an all-inclusive list of shipping products with MeeGo pre-installed on the wiki in order to show that MeeGo is real and is working. | 06:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | RST38h, note that no matter what the trade press and consumers may be looking for, we must also communicate to device manufacturers about MeeGo, and they care if other companies are using it. | 06:03 |
| ali1234 | "pre-installed" is very important | 06:04 |
| ali1234 | is anyone actually selling meego netbooks even? | 06:04 |
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| RST38h | Alison: You really think it is a good idea to have an empty page with such a title there, for the next X months? | 06:09 |
| RST38h | Alison: Or maybe it is worth waiting until there is at least a few such products and THEN create a page? =)( | 06:10 |
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| hlzxy | odin_:I want to use git for source code and obs for package,. connet them :code in git must contain spec files as it can be put into obs to build ,but many source code donot contai spec files,and I want to get them from src.rpm and put its relate package as source code structure. | 06:12 |
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| z35liu_ | Hi All, a quick question, does anyone know any meego device that can send/receive SMS? | 06:20 |
| MohammadAG | The N900 receives SMS afaik | 06:25 |
| z35liu_ | thanks | 06:29 |
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| Guest71021 | hi | 07:39 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:58 |
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| KGBWolf | trying to install meego on dell mini 10 and it stays stuck on a black screen | 08:15 |
| iztech | anyone know why Nividia is so unfriendly when talking about Meego | 08:15 |
| hena | in which stage? | 08:16 |
| KGBWolf | hena while booting from live usb drive | 08:16 |
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| KGBWolf | hena also if ii get conflicts with reserved memory 0x0000000 cant work without inteal agp module! | 08:18 |
| KGBWolf | *inetl | 08:18 |
| KGBWolf | *intel | 08:18 |
| KGBWolf | address space collision host bridge window | 08:18 |
| hena | ugh | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | iztech: hmm? | 08:21 |
| iztech | i was at ces and got pretty much the cold shoulder, intel was showing meego | 08:21 |
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| hena | KGBWolf: i would suggest checking your bios setup for address setting for pci/agp | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: well, on tegra2 side we don't support their instruction set yet (that's changing though very soon) and on gfx side there's something about licensing of graphics drivers - but i wasn't in the situation you were in so i can't explain it | 08:24 |
| iztech | i was just surprised that there wasn't much about meego at the show i was in search of tegra tablet for meego | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: :nod: meego 1.2 is really what you'd want to productize on top of | 08:25 |
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| hena | nvidia is afraid of freedom :/ | 08:26 |
| KGBWolf | hena its a dell mini 1010 | 08:26 |
| iztech | if anything they should be for freedom more than anything | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: and meego ARM doesn't work on tegra right now as i said, so no surprises there weren't any tegra tablets :/ | 08:27 |
| iztech | yes, that's why i went directly to nvidia to see if they were working hand in hand with meego to see what was coming up | 08:27 |
| hena | KGBWolf: i don't have first hand experience, so i'm just guessing | 08:28 |
| hena | about dell mini i mean | 08:28 |
| KGBWolf | there are no pci/agp setting on it | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: we're talking with pretty much most all ARM vendors, so things are ongoing | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: problem was that we screwed up regarding instruction sets back when we designed ARMv7 port, which we are fixing right now :) | 08:29 |
| iztech | so what is the favored tablet as far as you guys are concerned at the moment. | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | iztech: ok, so, in meego.com we develop a platform that vendors/community projects take and build a product on top of | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | iztech: so there's no 'favored' tablets :) | 08:30 |
| hena | that such a buerocrastical answer :) | 08:31 |
| iztech | :) | 08:31 |
| hena | -typos | 08:31 |
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| iztech | btw audi tegra system was impressive | 08:33 |
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| hena | nokia should send me a late christmas present or something so i would have more time for this stuff... | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ~haveameegomeeting | 09:07 |
| infobot | haveameegomeeting is probably book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html | 09:07 |
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| hlzxy | some package can not build by local obs, what could do to solve it | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | be more specific | 09:38 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/5hHCB9gt , these are package failed | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | hlzxy: you're building for what arch? | 09:44 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps: armv7el and i586. | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but, is it target armv7? :P | 09:45 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: most of them for armv7, a few both ,and few for only i586 | 09:48 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeps: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110105.1/non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ ,could you tell me how these armv7l packages were created,I think there are differen from src.rpm in non-oss? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | you might be hitting the 'arm sources missing' problem | 09:53 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: maybe,the problems seem different from each other, and how to solve the 'arm sources missing' problem? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's on our side | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | can i see one of your failed build logs? | 09:59 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/CjztkLe2, this is meegotouch-controlpanel package's build log | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like a qemu problem | 10:02 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: our obs is set up on a virtual machine , any affact? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, it might be that your qemu on the workers is too old | 10:07 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps:QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.4, Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard , | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it would be good to get up to 0.13 :) | 10:08 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:18 |
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| lcuk | zypper is mental | 10:19 |
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| gobbe | is anyone using weekly snaps with n900? | 10:22 |
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| fabo | jj-: ping | 10:23 |
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| lcuk | gobbe, whats up? (I knowmany people are waiting for the dailies) | 10:28 |
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| gobbe | lcuk: i thought that is it any faster than "stable" one? | 10:34 |
| gobbe | would be nice to test it | 10:34 |
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| lcuk | oh I thought you had it downloaded and were testing yourself already | 10:35 |
| hena | i heard rumour daily snap works again | 10:35 |
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| lcuk | hena, :D thats an awesome rumour if verified | 10:38 |
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| nowifi | hi all, as my name suggest I was enabled to get wireless recognize by meego-network-panel? some tips? | 10:38 |
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| lcuk | nowifi, what device are you running on, and has your wifi worked previously on meego and just broken? or has it never worked | 10:39 |
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| nowifi | lcuk: i'm new in meego but iwconfig show the correct interface | 10:40 |
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| hena | nowifi: what chipset? | 10:42 |
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| nowifi | hena: the driver is rt2860sta | 10:44 |
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| nowifi | and lspci show just "ralink rt2860" | 10:45 |
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| nowifi | what is connmand used here http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=11742&postcount=5 ? | 10:49 |
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| gobbe | lcuk: i tried one snap last week, but it didn't even boot ;) | 10:50 |
| hena | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1756 | 10:51 |
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| nowifi | hena: thanks this works! should this be reported as bugS? | 10:54 |
| hena | i believe it is already | 10:54 |
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| nowifi | thereis any possibility to see a facebook integration? | 11:02 |
| lcuk | nowifi, since someone was saying it was in 1.0, perhaps you could dig and see where it went (assuming its awol) and if it can be built now | 11:04 |
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| * lcuk twiddles thumbs whilst lmt with xdamage builds | 11:05 | |
| * hena is remembering his days with gentoo | 11:06 | |
| hena | at least meego doesn't take 3 days to install ;) | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | heh | 11:06 |
| hena | seriously, this minilappie is painful when having to compile everything | 11:07 |
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| lcuk | hena I was playing with my n810 over the weekend and timed building a library with gcc | 11:07 |
| lcuk | 3minutes | 11:07 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, (re follow up on Hildon) I know they chose a bid, and plan to announce it | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 11:08 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I have no idea what's going on with the board, for the most part | 11:08 |
| hena | i compiled mplayer for hours | 11:08 |
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| hena | i don't have external help here, i bet you have who knows what obs clusters to speed you up ;) | 11:08 |
| lcuk | hena, is compiling random stuff like gold farming in wow | 11:09 |
| hena | haven't played wow | 11:09 |
| lcuk | hena, personally I prefer local builds on hardware I can see - especially for testing purposes | 11:10 |
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| hena | since this meego lappie is my only machine atm i need all kinds of tools, which means a lot of compiling | 11:11 |
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| nowifi | lcuk: sorry i don't undestand... so facebook integration was here on 1.0 and removed on later release? | 11:15 |
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| lcuk | nowifi, someone on here mentioned yesterday | 11:17 |
| pupnik | what does facebook have to do with an operating system nowifi | 11:18 |
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| pupnik | is there an app you'd like to see on meego? | 11:18 |
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| hena | meego netbook has a funky integration with social media | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: there was a demo of how to integrate meego w/ facebook | 11:19 |
| hena | for example twitter is displayed on a tab automatically | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | which was included w/ the meego netbook 1.0 dist | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | it was really a demo of how the framework could be used | 11:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | more than an absolutely finished committed product | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | not that users care about such distinctions | 11:20 |
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| pupnik | ah | 11:20 |
| pupnik | ty | 11:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/05/hands-on-meego-for-netbooks-picks-up-where-moblin-left-off.ars has a picture of it | 11:23 |
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| lcuk | morning timeless_mbp \o | 11:25 |
| * timeless_mbp woke up @6am :( | 11:25 | |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/rest-0.6.3/examples/test-facebook.c is amusing (but irrelevant) | 11:26 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: as the system is closed,I can not do it . another question,did something relate to obs changed? I can not set up a obs as previous way. some problem appear in mysql. | 11:51 |
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| hena | sorry to ask stupid questions again, but is there a channel for ivi specificly? | 12:08 |
| hena | nevermind, found the channel list | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#MeeGo_IRC_Channels | 12:09 |
| hena | yeah, found it, i'm just web illiterate | 12:10 |
| hena | sorry | 12:10 |
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| hena | barf, 740 packages to update... | 12:15 |
| hena | just yesteraday updated 720 packages | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | are you following daily or something equally insane? | 12:16 |
| hena | and of course the repos are still broken | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:16 |
| hena | just added testing to my repos, otherwise quite the default | 12:16 |
| hena | but something is really wrong | 12:16 |
| hena | i have serious mismatch of package versions and whole lot of broken packages and now this doesn't work at all anymore | 12:17 |
| hena | seems like testing isn't working at all | 12:18 |
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| hena | hah, trying to start the gui system update crashes immediately, also the software catalogs | 12:21 |
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| hena | at least there's one definite upside on zypper versus apt | 12:29 |
| hena | the key management | 12:30 |
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| hena | Stskeeps: the wiki is quite lacking on the ivi part | 12:35 |
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| hena | you know if there's someone i could contact about it? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | meego-ivi mailing list? | 12:36 |
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| hena | crap, the hardware requirements for ivi are certainly not encouraging. :/ | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | hena: requires new car? | 12:42 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how much a car runs these days | 12:43 | |
| hena | well, i'm building my own meego ivi system for my project car | 12:43 |
| hena | but wouldn't wanna hugely differ from the mainstream | 12:44 |
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| hena | and having intel proprietary software in it is quite a downer | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | hena: eh | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:47 |
| Myrtti | hena: could be worse | 12:47 |
| gobbe | hena: are you using meego with n900? | 12:48 |
| hena | sometimes, don't really have time to play with it as much as i would like to | 12:48 |
| hena | more into netbook and ivi | 12:49 |
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| hena | Stskeeps: http://meego.com/devices/in-vehicle/in-vehicle-faq#q7 | 12:50 |
| lcuk | hena, yeah for the specific car tie-ins it seems overwhelming | 12:50 |
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| gobbe | i got my meego-netbook back from acer, they replaced whole motherboard because i broke bios with update :-D | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | well that's a downer, someone has reported a post on the forums, but I can't do anything about it | 12:50 |
| lcuk | but there is hope that IVI development can occur on regular hw | 12:50 |
| Myrtti | oh. | 12:51 |
| Myrtti | I wasn't logged in. | 12:51 |
| Myrtti | nevermind. | 12:51 |
| lcuk | lol Myrtti | 12:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, did you like my weekend facepalm btw? :D | 12:51 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: which one was that? I've been enjoying Berlin sightseeing this weekend | 12:51 |
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| hena | i would like to build my own hw for it, but it seems pointless if nobody else will care about it or cannot affect the main ivi process | 12:52 |
| hena | seems so vain | 12:52 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, missing day | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | hena: actually it seems to me that IVI is one of the more open ones | 12:53 |
| gobbe | hena: well, not you have time for that ;) | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, also in a similar way to the tv stuff, expecting to interface with custom hardware seems to be high on priorities | 12:55 |
| * Myrtti takes a deep breath and starts to do some magic. | 12:55 | |
| * lcuk stands back | 12:56 | |
| Myrtti | .... qmake && make -j4 *urgh* | 12:57 |
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| Myrtti | ooooo, a pet pidgeon | 12:57 |
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| aries | hey, guys, I have sync'ed the whole meego repository, and want to create a customized OS, but I can't find the toplevel Makefile | 13:00 |
| aries | or any other build utils | 13:00 |
| aries | I known there is a build system called OBS | 13:00 |
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| aries | I also found there is a image creation page at wiki.meego.com, it just says how to build a kernel, and download source from srpm repo to create a OS image | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | aries: you can generate images using the 'mic2' tool | 13:14 |
| aries | yes, I know how to generate image using mic2 and the .ks file | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 13:15 |
| aries | thx | 13:16 |
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| hena | urgh, congatec ivi starterkit 2500$ + tax + shipping | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | hena, to be fair, that does include a car too :P | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: that includes a car? wow | 13:28 |
| hena | should at least ;) | 13:28 |
| hena | The conga-IVI kit comes complete with all necessary cables as well as a 7” LVDS touch panel with a resolution of 800x480 pixels, suitable for vehicles. Also included are a 12V power chord, a Slimline DVD drive, a 4 GByte flash drive, a USB GPS receiver, a WLAN card and all necessary antennae. | 13:28 |
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| hena | with $2500 + tax + shipping i sense a tad of air in that price | 13:29 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, the :P may indicate otherwise | 13:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | does not! :P | 13:29 |
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| pexi | hena, are u going to connect it to can/obd? | 13:30 |
| hena | freeems | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | hena: people want to use beagle for IVI as well | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | beagle doesn't include a display | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.the-electronics-genie.co.uk/geniestore/index.php/7-inch-2-din-hd-lvds-screen-technology-car-multimedia-player-with-sirf-prima-gps-dual-core-cpu-10gb-memory-drag-n-drop-icons-fm-radio-ebook-reader.html is 340GBP | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | (7" LVDS display) | 13:31 |
| pexi | hena, ohhh, very nice, put up some blog :) | 13:32 |
| hena | when i get something done, sure :) | 13:32 |
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| n0rd | Hey | 15:52 |
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| n0rd | I have a little question if that is ok.. | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ask away | 15:53 |
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| anaZ | who is away? | 15:53 |
| n0rd | Are MeeGo currently just for developers? | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | anaZ: most of the people in this channel | 15:53 |
| sx0n | mr Small | 15:53 |
| anaZ | CosmoHill: heh | 15:53 |
| anaZ | yeah, now it makes sense | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | n0rd: netbook is fairly usable but the idea is for vendors to make a product using the platform and make a proper end user experience that way | 15:54 |
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| n0rd | I'm not a developer, but i must say i really love Moblin, and i want to try MeeGo. | 15:55 |
| n0rd | Ah, I see! | 15:55 |
| n0rd | Moblin is not longer updatet recently, or am I completly wrong now? | 15:55 |
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| pupnik | afaik it is not | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | anaZ: -x86 packages are funny, they pick up the version from the package they're wrapping (such as bash picking up 4.0) - is it bad form to just write "1.0" for the -x86 changelogs? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | in version field of the meego changelog format | 15:59 |
| n0rd | Ok :) | 15:59 |
| n0rd | Ty for helping me! | 16:01 |
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| AllanPoe | hi all | 16:42 |
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| AllanPoe | could anybody give me support about touch support in meego 1.1? | 16:43 |
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| mwichmann | 1.1 has touch support if you happen to have the right hardware | 16:44 |
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| amjad | ok so i followed the instructions on wiki and downloaded the sdk and make qeum runtime and this is the error i get | 17:38 |
| amjad | Extracting QEMU runtime meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime | 17:38 |
| amjad | .....9....8....7....6....5....4....3....2....1....0 | 17:38 |
| amjad | Creating missing links... done. | 17:38 |
| amjad | /bin/ln: accessing `/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/tools/qemu-meego/bin/qemu-system-*': No such file or directory | 17:38 |
| amjad | Cannot find qemu-meego binary | 17:38 |
| amjad | bug?? | 17:38 |
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| nazgee | hi, is there a reason for mic running particulary slow today? it takes ages (literally: 40 secs) between mic attempting to download next xml from repository. any ideas? | 18:16 |
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| mwichmann | seems like repo "turnaround" has been slow for a number of days now, at least for me | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | nazgee: kernel.org has issues afaik | 18:17 |
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| nazgee | thx mwichmann, Stskeeps. it seems I need more coffe | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | mm coffee | 18:24 |
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| AllanPoe | hi all | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | now that news about broadcom announced on lf stuff, can we actually get broadcom drivers in amongst the meego builds without it being a binary blob? | 19:29 |
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| Ulf_ | lcuk, link? | 19:37 |
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| Ulf_ | lcuk, I mean, URL? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/215919/broadcom_joins_the_linux_foundation.html | 19:38 |
| lcuk | happily | 19:38 |
| lcuk | it hopefully means the usb key we were offered for install at the meegoconf (with red mark) can be hopefully done without worry | 19:39 |
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| dwd_ | Possibly stupid question - any way to use the MeeGo SDK with Ubuntu 64-bit? | 19:50 |
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| Hq` | uh, I have ubuntu 64-bit and encountered no problems | 19:52 |
| Hq` | not using qemu, though | 19:53 |
| dwd_ | Hq`, Ah, ok. I assumed that using QEMU wouldn't be tricky, it's virtualization after all. Where/how did you get the SDK downloaded? The apt method doesn't seem to work for 64-bit. | 19:53 |
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| Hq` | hmm, that's how I installed it if I remember correctly :) | 19:55 |
| dwd_ | Harrumph. | 19:55 |
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| dwd_ | So I can see the Release file in the repo, but not the Packages list, which made me suspect it's probably looking for a 64-bit repo and not finding one. | 19:56 |
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| Hq` | maybe it's a temporary problem with the repos | 19:59 |
| Hq` | just a guess | 19:59 |
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| dwd_ | Hq`, Could be, I suppose. I'll poke about a bit. And then give up for the evening. | 20:00 |
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| dwd_ | Hq`, Or, maybe I'll notice the typo I made in my sources list. Who knows. | 20:02 |
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| Hq` | :) | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | qgil, great to see broadcom onboard! | 20:44 |
| qgil | lcuk: onboard of the Linux Foundation, but I bet this will help them getting closer to MeeGo | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | indeed and if we can remove/santion the driver for distribution thats another positive step | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | qgil, did you manage to get meego handset running on your wetab? | 20:47 |
| lcuk | or are the instructions still a bit over the top? | 20:47 |
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| * lcuk got confused when I looked | 20:47 | |
| qgil | lcuk: since Alison_Chaiken is few steps away I can save the effort :) | 20:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I am trying to get MeeGo running on WeTab: http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet | 20:48 |
| lcuk | :D awesome | 20:48 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I need to get the hid_egalax driver for touchscreen and ath9k driver for WiFi. If anyone has advice about how to compile them beyond the obvious, please speak up! | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: got a community OBS account? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | and what do you mean by 'the obvious' :) | 20:50 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, we had same resolution problems as you have noticed in (2) | 20:51 |
| lcuk | and yes, its a configuration option, I will try and find out where it is | 20:51 |
| lcuk | I thought it was noted on the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops page | 20:51 |
| lcuk | but its not.. | 20:51 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I don't have an OBS account. Would you recommend using OBS for compiling these drivers? By "obvious," I meant downloading kernel source, applying patch, and cross-compiling kernel and driver to copy from dev system to WeTab. Other suggestions welcome! | 20:53 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, the driver should end up in the normal system shouldn't it? or will the wetab need its own differentiation kernel (similar to n900 and such) ? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: so, if i was in your situation, i would get a community obs account and import the source package of the pinetrail kernel. then i would edit the config-* files, adding the right configuration options to enable ath9k and egalax (is in upstream kernel afaik) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: and commit the changes and obs makes you a pretty rpm package to install :) | 20:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, presumably there's not a good solution to displaying handset-image graphics on a larger display: either the graphics can be small, or they can be pixelated, user's choice! I'll try and make a script to switch between "small" and "ugly" settings. | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, its not just bodily scaled up, it uses layouts afaik, so perhaps some of the icons are a tad larger | 20:56 |
| lcuk | but on the whole the ui should fill the screen | 20:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, using the procedure you suggest, I could install both the drivers and the patched kernel in one go with a single rpm? Cool, I need to learn OBS anyway. | 20:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you think the quick notes you mentioned would be good for "new devices and kernel configuration" information pages? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | we really need to improve the porting guide | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:57 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, if you have advice (e.g. URL) about graphics scaling on MeeGo, speak now please. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: which one of them, the UI not filling whole screen, or the graphics scaling badly? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, first thing is to configure meego to use whole display, then let apps themselves sort themselves out | 20:57 |
| lcuk | its qt - the apps should just work | 20:58 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Very good then. First I will work on the OBS compilation of the drivers, and then when I am completely stuck, I will switch to the graphics scaling! | 20:58 |
| lcuk | well I will find the place I configured handset to use 1024*600 :) | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | devices.conf ? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, can you remember where it needs configurating | 20:59 |
| lcuk | probably | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | or at least there used to be such a creature | 20:59 |
| lcuk | but my head is blank this evening | 20:59 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I was just going to use xrandr in a bash script, as it knows all about display settings. | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I had most success in changing one of the confs (slate.conf) and setting that | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | The gconf worked for me, but some people didn't have success | 21:00 |
| fiferboy | Hold on, let me find the wiki article | 21:00 |
| lcuk | yeah fiferboy, once we find it, I will make sure to update changing_desktops page | 21:01 |
| lcuk | somehow we forgot when it was first mentioned | 21:01 |
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| fiferboy | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 21:01 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, xrandr would be stretching without actually telling the apps they are using a larger screen | 21:01 |
| lcuk | :) the proper way works better | 21:01 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Are you looking for the conf file to edit? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, yeah | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | that gconf didn't work on mine | 21:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, Qt apps don't read X config settings when they start? They read gconf settings instead? | 21:03 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/Default.conf | 21:03 |
| fiferboy | Change the resolution at the top of the file (make x=1024 and y=600) | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, this is not per application setting | 21:03 |
| lcuk | this is the desktop/wm itself that uses it afaik | 21:03 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks fiferboy, that's useful | 21:04 |
| fiferboy | Alison_Chaiken: No proble | 21:04 |
| fiferboy | m | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | well thats not the one I changed either | 21:04 |
| fiferboy | That's is how I originally did it and it worked fine, but it is kind of hackish | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | cos on my ieapad thats still set to 800 | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | there was a conf which had a whole set of similar values like that | 21:05 |
| * lcuk reviews logs | 21:05 | |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Seems like there are many different ways to do it | 21:06 |
| lcuk | fiferboy/etc/meegotouch/devices.conf | 21:06 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Did you create a new target and assign it? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-12-07.log.html#t2010-12-07T18:40:47 | 21:06 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | i asked you a while ago lol | 21:06 |
| lcuk | ok I will update the info into the changing_desktop now and leave all possible ones there and ask people to confirm which works for them :) | 21:07 |
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| fiferboy | Yeah, that is the very first way I saw but it didn't work for me | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad | 21:10 |
| lcuk | ok fiferboy thanks, have updated | 21:10 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, when you are in position to check, perhaps you can try one of those and see how it works for you | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: It is good to have all the options in one place | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 21:11 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | oh hai LinuxCode \o | 21:11 |
| LinuxCode | hey mate | 21:12 |
| LinuxCode | finally ordered my N900, and guess what, it got stolen | 21:12 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 21:12 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Will do. First I would like to get WiFi working, as that will make the rest much less painful! | 21:12 |
| LinuxCode | at the retailers | 21:12 |
| lcuk | o_O | 21:12 |
| lcuk | yeah Alison_Chaiken understandable | 21:12 |
| LinuxCode | I have assurances they will sort it out | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: hopefully you don't have to pay for that :P | 21:12 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, no chance | 21:12 |
| LinuxCode | breach of contract | 21:12 |
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| LinuxCode | we will see, called police on Friday, two hours after I received the parcel | 21:13 |
| lcuk | hm they delivered it, then it got nicked? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | isn't that actually your responsability then? or did they leave it in wrong place? | 21:14 |
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| LinuxCode | no, they knicked the phone,battery and cleaning cloth, packed it up, and shipped it | 21:16 |
| LinuxCode | box DPD delivered was untampered | 21:16 |
| LinuxCode | so its def at their end | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | eek | 21:17 |
| LinuxCode | box of cables....£299, bargain! | 21:17 |
| LinuxCode | *sarcasm* | 21:17 |
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| LinuxCode | hows meego coming along ? | 21:17 |
| LinuxCode | cant wait to put it on a micro sd | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | forward | 21:18 |
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| CosmoHill | petrol has gone up 10p / litre since I last topped up | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | sarcastically: its gone up about 50p since I last topped up | 21:20 |
| berndhs | CosmoHill: they know you're going somewhere | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | What you get for taxing it so much. :P | 21:21 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: What do you have against taxation without representation? | 21:31 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lbt, may I please have a community OBS account? I have been good all day so far, although I did drink a chocolate milk that my dietary advisor might oppose. | 21:35 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, nothing when I'm not a citizen there. :D | 21:36 |
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| GAN900 | Mostly it just keeps me entertained. | 21:36 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Pardon? | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, don't have anything against taxation without representation when I don't live there. ;) | 21:37 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Sorry, I didn't quite catch it the first time :) | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | But I haven't had trouble understanding Americans before | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | "Morning" | 21:38 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy: "What?" | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | I was truly at my best | 21:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Hey X-Fade, any chance I could please have a community OBS account associated with my "alison" meego.com account? I promise not to use it to build a MeeGo image with a Britney Spears skin. | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | you might have to up it a bit and state you'll make a Hello Kitty skin for netbook if you won't get one | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | generally what you need to answer is "what do you intend to use it for and is it open source", as it's a bit of a beta service without too much ability for load/policies in place | 21:49 |
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| LinuxCode | what gnupg does meego come with ? | 21:51 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I wish to use OBS to build a better handset image for the WeTab using (I think) only packages which are already in the repos. I don't actually know if the ath9k driver that I want to use is all open-source, but I'll do the best I can. And if I don't get an account, I will create a Sarah-Palin-themed version of MeeGo. | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | ath9k's all oss | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k | 22:16 |
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| Stskeeps | and giving your meego.com username is next step | 22:17 |
| Alison_Chaiken | "alison" unsurprisingly is my meego.com username. My astrological sign is Taurus. | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | Do create a Sarah-Palin-themed version of Meego, run it on a shotgun! | 22:20 |
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| dwd_ | The WeTab looks quite interesting - I didn't realise those things ran MeeGo. | 22:40 |
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| haroun | Hi All, Need a help .. I built my own kernel RPM package and replaced in the local cache repository .. But during image creation ( using .ks file ) , local package not refered instead of that image creation tool downloads package from remote repository .. Can any help how to resolve this issue .. Do we need to add some extra parameter in .ks file. | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | haroun: look into "createrepo" and add your own repository with 'repo' and file:/// | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | in .ks | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | don't place anything in cache :) | 22:57 |
| haroun | stskeeps : thanks .. I will try with createrepo utility | 22:57 |
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| csdb | haroun, another thing is that it will always pick up the highest version by default (I tried mucking with --cost to get around that but haven't been successful) | 22:58 |
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| csdb | you can get around it by adding the exact version.i.e. package-N.N-N.N | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | --excludepkgs is a nice tool :) | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | now that it supports multiple packages | 22:58 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | dwd_, the WeTab has an ARM architecture that is MeeGo-compatible but the stock images provide only very limited functionality, a deficiency I am working to correct. | 22:59 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: actually, wetab's atom | 22:59 |
| dwd_ | Alison_Chaiken, Limited as in...? I mean, will it do WiFi, and will it do 3G? | 23:00 |
| dwd_ | Stskeeps, Alison's fixing that with a software patch. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | hehe | 23:00 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Oh yeah, Stskeeps, I was thinking Intel but my brain came out with ARM. No wonder my programming is slow. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: no, it means you think in the right way ;) | 23:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | dwd_, didn't try the 3G yet but lsmod on the WeTab doesn't show too many drivers. No telling since I installed a handset image though. I should try it with a SIM. | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: the kernel that wetab OS uses is published at http://update.tiitoo.com/source/packages/ by the way (sources) | 23:03 |
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| qgil_ | lbt: ping? | 23:05 |
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| lardman | qgil_: he's still MIA | 23:05 |
| qgil_ | lardman: but logged in, thanks! | 23:06 |
| lardman | true | 23:06 |
| lardman | ~seen lbt | 23:06 |
| infobot | lbt is currently on #maemo (3h 36m 16s) #meego (3h 36m 16s), last said: 'we should define some of those in MeeGo'. | 23:06 |
| lardman | oh, not so MIA then, I take it all back :) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | MIF, rather | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | "missing in finland", according to his IP's earlier | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:07 |
| lardman | :) | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | lardman, infobot is a bit off there | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | the last message isn't coming up in history | 23:09 |
| * lcuk gets confused by cross channel lookups | 23:09 | |
| lardman | he's not the only one ;) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | that message was last said a week ago | 23:10 |
| lcuk | ;) | 23:10 |
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| haroun | Stskeeps: "Warning: can't get file:///home/haroun/Meego/IMAGE_CREATOR/image-creator/LOCAL_RPMS/RPMS/repodata/repomd.xml.key" ... is this warning is OK ???? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | haroun, there are a number of bugs relating to repomd.xml.key | 23:24 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=repomd.xml.key | 23:24 |
| lcuk | specifically 3986 which is marked medium/critical/reopened | 23:25 |
| lcuk | bug 3986 | 23:25 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 cri, Medium, ---, anas.nashif, REOP, File 'repomd.xml' from repository Core Repository' is signed with an unknown key | 23:25 |
| lcuk | in my eyes haroun, no its no t ok, but as long as you can confirm your repository is infact from meego.com servers etc | 23:26 |
| lcuk | its not end of the world. | 23:26 |
| dwd_ | "Metadata files of all handset repositories are signed with proper key to prevent the warning from being prompted when retrieving. " (!) | 23:27 |
| dwd_ | Surely that's not the actual purpose of the signing, strictly speaking. | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | dwd_, cause and effect | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | sign the repositories correctly and the noise about invalid certificates stops | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | haroun: yes | 23:32 |
| haroun | lcuk and Stakeeps .. thanks for your comments ... I will look into this .. | 23:35 |
| lcuk | \o | 23:35 |
| berndhs | how does one sign a repository ? | 23:35 |
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| dwd_ | Has anyone tried putting MeeGo on one of the cheap Android tablets? | 23:52 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | dwd_, MeeGo on iPad! (Not an accomplishment, but a daydream.) | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm more looking forward to seeing what will happen now that the tegra2 hacking crowd can come along | 23:54 |
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| Stskeeps | cos of the hardfp port supporting marvell and nvidia tegra2 chips | 23:54 |
| dwd_ | Just hunting about, you see, and I noticed that there's a lot of ARM9/ARM11 tablets for a fraction of the cost of a WePad. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but you need at least cortex-a8 or armv7-a for meego :) | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 23:55 |
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| lardman | dwd_: While cheap they don't seem to be overly well endowed with hw mostly | 23:58 |
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