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sivangso what is the process for upload something to build.pub.meego.com and see it build?01:04
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* sivang wiki searches01:04
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npm_what is the difference between "meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel" images and "meego-handset-armv7l-n900" images?02:28
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npmdoes that mean stuff built with debug on, or just extra developer packages?02:29
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npmdiffing the packages file tells me "devel" means gcc and other stuff to do devel on the n90002:46
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npmhmm if i hold it upside down, i can finally get the screen in the right direction :-)03:20
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berndhsnpm: you're on the wrong side of the planet, is all03:33
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npmberndhs -- does that mean the phone has a coriolis effect sensor :-)06:23
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pupnikthe rotation isn't so easy to get right06:29
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RhymeswApupnik: hmm,  suppose that's what Nokia is gonna use to torch the competition with the n9, prediction of which way the loo will rotate06:57
pupnikheheh06:58
pupnikthey will sell N9s on styling alone imo06:58
RhymeswAcould be visionary06:58
pupnikbut here's the thing... why go to all the trouble of development and then only release one case design06:59
pupnikwhy now a whole pallette of cases with basically the same hardware06:59
pupniks/now/not/g06:59
infobotpupnik meant: why not a whole pallette of cases with basically the same hardware06:59
pupnikthat might be expensive i suppose07:00
pupnikparticularly if each case needs seperate certification07:00
RhymeswAya, I just want something to really use this MeeGo thingy07:02
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ShadowJKwhole pallette of cases with same hw is what they used to do, then they crippled each one in a different way in software ;p07:04
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pupnik:)07:10
pupnikn900 was pretty much perfect, just needed a few hardware tweaks07:10
pupnika slim keyboardless version.   a bigger version with a stonkin battery and 4-row keyboard...07:11
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Raimhello08:48
RaimI hope this is the right place to ask questions about running meego on a N900?08:49
RaimI was able to boot meego 1.1, but all I see on the screen is a tty. maybe I am wrong, but shouldn't there be a X server?08:51
ml-somethingare you sure it's 1.1 and not an older version?08:53
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Raimml-something: I was using meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-*, /etc/issue on the device says "MeeGo release 1.1 (MeeGo)"08:56
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lcukRaim, which specfic url did you get your image from?09:46
Raimlcuk: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/09:48
Raimthis was linked from the wiki09:48
lcuksure, just confirming09:49
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lcukRaim, afaik the xserver should be running, try executing "uxlaunch" potentially10:00
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Raimlcuk: no, there is no X server running10:05
lcukthat doesnt sound normal at all then, did it try to run and fail?10:05
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Raimlcuk: but "-bash: /usr/sbin/uxlaunch: Input/output error" does not sound good10:06
lcukunder normal circumstances, I would point you towards the daily testing images10:06
lcukbut theres been a bit of a hiccup for the last few days on n900 ones10:06
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RaimI will try this again later, maybe the SD card I have here is faulty or something...10:09
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lcukwell Raim its certianly odd10:09
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araujoRaim, did you check the md5sum of the image?10:10
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lcukheya araujo \o i was just vanishing to make breakfast.  do you want me to mail you a coffee and bacon sandwich?10:11
araujolcuk, go for it :D10:11
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lcukholy hell, CRT tvs are heavy10:37
lcukI had forgotten10:37
lcukmorning vgrade \o10:37
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vgradehi lcuk10:40
lcukwhat you upto today vgrade ?10:41
vgradebit tired this morning10:41
lcuki actually had a whole nights sleep :)10:41
lcukheading off to shops later10:41
vgradewas up late watching the hardfp build unfold with sage and stskeeps10:41
vgradegripping stiff10:41
vgradepitty the read only access to meego obs is not avaiable yet10:42
lcukyeah its going to be good to have it all running10:42
lcukthe obs access does need validating really10:42
* lcuk understands frustration tho10:42
lcukwhat benefits does the harpfp rebuild bring?10:43
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vgradereports of large percentage speed increases10:44
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lcuk\o/10:44
vgradeand also allows tegra and marvel SOC's to run MeeGo10:44
lcukawesome10:45
vgradeI'm ready with my Advent Vega tablet (tegra 2)10:45
lcukhah10:45
lcukjust waiting for clean images to start coming back out of daily for n90010:45
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vgradeneed to go now, league bowling with the kids for a couple of hours10:46
lcukhave fun10:47
* lcuk wants to build parrot ar drone software on meego once we can10:47
lcukhttp://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/12/23/ar-drone-with-meego10:47
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lcukmorning leinir \o10:56
kyb3Rlcuk: I have had the same thought for a while too10:56
kyb3RI meant the drone10:56
lcukkyb3R, do you have a drone now, or any other kind of flying machine?10:58
kyb3Rlcuk: i'm still in the process of convincing one project mamanger to get us 1-2 drones10:59
kyb3RI have had some discussions with Kate about her work/progree on the subject10:59
lcukkyb3R, thats smart10:59
kyb3R*progress10:59
lcukperhaps we need to sabotage the email system and convince higher ups that the ONLY way to deliver stuff inside the office is with drone shipments11:00
kyb3R:)11:00
lcukwhich building are you located in?11:00
henaa friend bought one a while ago11:00
henawas kind of wondering this also11:01
lcukn900 has an actual technical problem with the dual onscreen joysticks11:01
miherowhat problem?11:01
lcukflying my heli normally it requires extremely precise adjustments11:02
henascreen11:02
lcukmihero, you need multitouch o_O11:02
kyb3Rlcuk: which building? I don't follow...11:02
miheroah, true. n900 lacks it11:02
miheroone onscreen joystick and one from accelometer11:04
lcukreasonable mihero11:04
lcukkyb3R, dont worry, was just a random question11:04
kyb3RI believe Kate has done the development with some unpublished devices11:04
kyb3Rat least the latest work11:05
henamaybe you could control it better with two n900's ;)11:05
ShadowJKIt would also require extremely precise thumb pressure11:05
kyb3Rshe will btw give a presentation about that stuff in the Summit at Tampere11:06
* lcuk is enjoying his big n900 with multitouch11:06
ShadowJKlike, I often fail to hit the right elements because thumb "rolls off" slightly11:06
lcukits a shame its not got a full size stylus tho11:06
ShadowJKor then the flesh in my thumb isn't of even density I guess11:07
henalcuk: multitouch n900?11:07
lcukhena, a joke of course, its the lenovo ideapad11:08
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lcukbut its fun to see same apps on n900 as on there11:08
ShadowJKI might be able to fly my chopper with stylus though, provided someone else handles the other control :)11:09
henaheh11:09
henahow's the ideapad?11:09
lcuklovely11:09
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg11:09
miherouse n900 as a headup display for drone and use bt ps3 pad as a controller11:10
lcuknot required really11:11
lcukaccel is fine for tilt/roll11:11
lcukand a h/v slide would work for the updown etc11:11
henai need to get a new laplet soon, wondering what i should get11:11
lcukas mihero suggested11:11
henabeen waiting for 720line resolution11:11
ShadowJKI already have 2 real controllers :)11:11
miherothey are so boring:)11:12
ShadowJKThey are accurate :)11:12
lcukhena, if we are talking awesomeness, I want something the size of ideapad but with the dpi of n90011:12
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lcukbut the dpi is wasted without precise picker control from it11:12
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Myrttimmmm. berlin11:13
* lcuk is considering adding resistive overlay onto idepad11:13
kyb3Raccel is already implemented in Kate's project11:13
ShadowJKYou need roughly 256x256 pixels, pixel-perfect accuracy :)11:13
lcukkyb3R, yeah11:13
henawell, 10" screen is what i want11:13
ShadowJKor bigger if you don't have pixelperfect11:13
henaor a very compact 12"11:13
lcukideadpad has that hena11:13
ShadowJKOr then you start crippling the control range11:13
henayeah, but does it have 720line resolution? :)11:13
henai'm using hp mini now for couple years, and i'm still somewhat happy with this11:14
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henabut no touchscreen11:14
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ShadowJKI'd want a hp mini :)11:16
ShadowJKI touched one once and the keyboard didnt seem too bad11:16
ShadowJKand there seems to be aftermarket batteries available11:16
henayeah, it's really good, aside the battery11:17
henai mean the feel and such, just would hope for slightly better resolution, better battery which is no biggie and touchscreen11:18
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miherothey should make touchpads bigger11:19
henathey should remove touchpads ;)11:19
miherosizes that apple uses11:19
lcukmy touchpad is 10"11:19
lcukhow much bigger do you want?11:19
henathat's another downside on this, doesn't have the nipple11:19
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miherolcuk: is it located bottom of a keyboard?:)11:20
lcukmihero, in tablet/slate mode, sure11:20
lcukmihero, meego netbook has other bugs which mean looking for a tiny cursor is a bit frustrating11:21
lcukbug 1044411:22
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Browser scrolling not possible when mouse at screen borders11:22
henaalso really frustrating that chromium doesn't scroll while page is loading11:23
henai'm impatient11:24
lcukhena, i am personally frustrated at chromium for various reasons11:24
lcukunfortunately it would not just be the browser thats at fault11:25
lcukcase in point:11:25
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lcukopen the top bar on browser page11:25
lcukenter a search term11:25
lcukpress enter11:25
lcuktop bar/meego ux vanishes11:25
lcukoriginal app is back visible for X seconds11:25
lcuk(confusion, what, where, huh, )11:25
lcukbrowser pops up11:26
lcukwith various old stale tabs still there11:26
lcukwtf, I searched for something11:26
lcukuser experience: bad11:26
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lcuk but I am being a little cynical, I am off shopping11:27
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hena:)11:27
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vgradecheap 10" touchscreen from china, http://www.youtube.com/user/vgrade100#p/a/u/1/nK4vxM4KnWE11:29
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SageAnyone know if it is possible to link from build.pub.meego.com to build.meego.com home/devel projects?11:47
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mdl0871is there anyone?12:22
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lcukhey spyro \o how is CBG this morning12:40
lcukalterego, using ssh to connect and run apps, any idea how to solve the dbus connection issues?  running from a local console works happily12:42
henahmh, meego really needs a better keyboard navigation also12:42
lcukand I already did the export DISPLAY=:0 stuff12:42
lcukhena, you mean in netbook ux?12:42
henayeah12:43
alteregolcuk: you're running them as meego user right?12:43
lcukalterego, yeah ssh lcuk@10.0...12:43
lcukhena, personally for touch screen usage12:43
alteregoThat's the user the ux is running as?12:43
henai mean keyboard12:43
lcuki would *really* like the meego netbook topbar to be at the bottom12:43
lcukso that it becomes an extra keyboard row12:44
henalike i can open the topbar with the menu button but i can't navigate it12:44
henasomewhat annoying12:44
lcuksure hena I think thats already filed too12:44
henaah, ok12:44
lcukif not, file it12:44
lcuktheres netbook triage meetings each week12:44
alteregolcuk: I think when I had this problem I looked at other env vars12:44
lcukand if it bothers *you* then champion it and follow up and see who can help you fix it12:45
alteregoIf you run env under an xterm and look for the DBUS vars12:45
lcukalterego, ok I have 2 consoles open12:45
lcukhow do I list the env vars?12:45
alteregojust run 'env'12:45
lcukrog12:45
alteregoenv | grep DBUS12:46
alteregoalso: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-1213879012:46
alteregoteeheehee12:46
alteregobbiab12:46
lcukta alterego12:46
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lcukalterego, :) duplicating those DBUS env vars worked \o you are a *12:49
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lcukwidgetsgallery in parts reminds me of original liqbase :)12:57
leinirlcuk: mornin' :)13:00
lcuk\o hey leinir13:01
lcukhow far away was your travels this week?  if you get it are you moving house?13:01
leinirJust to Oslo, and no, i won't be moving there :)13:02
lcukcool though, hope you get it13:02
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leinirThanks! :)13:06
lcukleinir, plans for the weekend?13:08
lcukmine shall have to improve soon, I might goto pub13:09
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leinirA friend is coming down from Scotland, and they're bringing my boyfriend :D13:09
leinirMy house mate is also bringing a friend :)13:09
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lcukleinir, always a win13:10
leinirIndeed :)13:10
lcukin qt creator, is there a toolbar13:14
lcukwith a save button13:14
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lcukso I dont have to goto menu to save current file13:15
alteregolcuk: glad it worked :)13:15
alteregolcuk: if you check .bashrc and they're in there, maybe making a .profile and getting it to source .bashrc would make things easier for you.13:16
lcukalterego, I think it changes with each session13:16
lcuksince one of the parameters was PID13:16
leinirlcuk: You can tell it to save all files on compile/run as well :)13:18
lcukleinir, but I am not directly running on the machine where qtcreator is13:19
lcukI am just using it as an editor13:19
lcuki have console window for the running/logging/info purposes13:19
leinirAh, right :)13:20
alteregolcuk: not sure pid is the required one, what other vars are there?13:23
alteregoalso pid can be generated by PID=$(cat /var/run/dbus.pid) or whatever13:24
lcuk export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-PwP55ER2Al,guid=4bc0ab71c14a4406f03b180e0000002213:26
lcukwhich looks pretty specific13:26
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alteregoHmm, yeah, I wonder if that changes :D13:28
alteregoThere mush be a way some how, oh well :)13:30
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alteregoAh .dbus/session-bus13:31
alteregolcuk, under that ^ dir theres a file that you can source that has the appropriate env vars for your system13:32
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Termanamorning13:58
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CosmoHilloh cock, my dvd is stuck in my slot loading drive15:21
CosmoHillah, second time lucky15:22
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lardman"morning"15:27
Stskeepsmorn lardman15:27
lardmanhow's things Stskeeps?15:27
Stskeepsgood15:27
Stskeepswe made a test run of meego hardfp yesterday with very very few failures, of meego trunk15:28
Stskeepshttp://download.meego.com/live/devel:/hardfp:/testrun/standard/armv7hl/ and http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/hardfp:/base/standard/armv7hl/ , so i'm happy15:29
CosmoHillStskeeps: kudos15:29
lardmancool15:29
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lardmanis there a list of the failures?15:30
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lardmanjust out of curisoty15:31
lardmanhmm, note to self, learn to spell15:31
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Stskeepsi just started a rebuild, but some are related to qemu bug (mmoc crashes, for MTF apps) and one regarding u-boot15:31
Stskeepsie, it's really like 2 or 3 failues :)15:31
lardmanoh, very good then :)15:32
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Stskeepswe already booted up an image to login prompt, so15:35
lardmanwith updated sgx?15:35
Stskeepsnot to xorg, we still need to recompile that blob15:35
lardmanok15:35
CosmoHillsalut ali123415:35
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henahmh, meego doesn't have a console based ftp client?17:16
CosmoHillyou could probably install one via zypper17:17
Stskeepshena: afaik lftp exists?17:17
henanope17:18
henaat least in the default repos17:18
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lcukhena,17:19
lcuk  | lftp                          | Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs                  | package17:19
lcuk  | lftp                          | Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs                  | srcpackage17:19
lcukhena, zypper info suggests its coming from:17:21
lcukbaseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/17:21
henathanks17:22
lcukStskeeps, I miss the packages interface from maemo :)17:22
lcukits one of the * parts of the maemo.org infra17:22
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henahah17:28
henaProblem: nothing provides perl(DBI) needed by lftp-4.0.10-1.3.i586 Solution 1: do not install lftp-4.0.10-1.3.i58617:28
henalove it17:28
CosmoHillwhy does meego target i586 instead of i686?17:29
henaoh, nevermind17:29
mgedminif all the world's problems could be solved in that simple manner ...17:29
henaportability?17:29
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ShadowJKIt's not exactly portable when it requires SSSE317:30
ShadowJKI would guess it's some misguided attempt to "optimize" for atom ;p17:31
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henai586 requires sse3?17:33
Stskeepsi586's just a bad name for the rpm arch for 'atom'17:33
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ShadowJKDoes this imply "i686" is reserved for something else for future use?17:34
CosmoHillit's atom but why have i586 and i686 packages17:35
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pupnikwell SSE code is hard to write and can improve some operations vastly17:45
pupnikthe question is whether an OS should be using parallelization like that17:45
timeless_mbpdneary: right, thanks, your second attempt was fished out of the archived ether :)17:46
lcukpupnik, tbh, I would be happy having all the required operations in place17:49
lcukthen worry about optimising the specifics17:49
lcuktimeless_mbp, \o17:49
lcukenjoying w/e?17:50
timeless_mbpsleep is good17:50
pupniklcuk: in particular it's a barrier to people hacking on the OS and contributing to it... SSE optimizations can be added to device specific implementations if desired17:50
CosmoHilli think the point I'm trying to get at is why do we have i586 and i686 RPMs when they both require an atom17:50
pupnikdunno that17:51
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CosmoHillthere is i586, i686 and noarch17:51
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Indeed... but IIRC, it's pretty much just glibc using i686 arch -- so maybe it's a typo in OBS?18:08
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* lcuk boots up n81019:36
lcukand remembers just how optimised and well it ran on even lesser hardware!19:36
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thornsAny way to get the Meego SDK running on Ubuntu 10.10 64bit?19:38
thornsHaven't tried yet but I read the platform isn't supported19:38
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thornsAnd it's planned for Q1 201119:39
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lardman|homethorns: worked for me installing at leasy19:42
lardman|homeleast19:42
thornstried running the VM?19:43
lardman|homevm? qemu?19:43
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mdl0871wish my boyfriend can have happiness20:02
Stskeepswith meego? naturally20:03
Stskeeps:P20:03
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mdl0871what20:04
mdl0871what do you mean£¿20:05
mihero:)20:05
mdl0871i will take part in postgraduate entrance examination20:05
lcukStskeeps, planning Meego fleshlight UX?20:05
Raimlcuk: araujo: I wrote the image again onto the SD card and now it works even with GUI20:05
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lcuk\o/20:06
lcukRaim, awesome20:06
CosmoHilllcuk: did I just read that correctly?20:06
Raimlcuk: strange enough that it was able to boot at all if the image wasn't completely transferred...20:06
lcukRaim, not really20:06
lcuki can play a CD even if the outer edge is broken, or I can play Wii games in same situation20:07
mdl0871this room is for what?20:07
CosmoHillmdl0871: www.meego.com20:07
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mdl0871i cant buy htc phone in china20:08
CosmoHillthat's okay, MeeGo doesn't run on HTC20:08
mdl0871why?htc is available20:09
CosmoHillyou just said it wasn't20:09
mdl0871what is meego?20:10
CosmoHillgo to the website I linked to you20:10
mdl0871thank you20:10
iekkumdl0871, www.meego.com would help as CosmoHill said?20:10
mdl0871no20:10
mdl0871hehe20:10
mdl0871meego can only run on Linux system?20:11
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CosmoHillmeego is a linux distros that runs on x86 intel HD netbooks or the Nokia n90020:12
mdl0871why does the other people in this chatroom did not speak?20:13
thiagobecause it's Saturday20:14
CosmoHillcos it would be a nightmare if 500 people spoke at once20:14
miherowe are silent bots20:14
* CosmoHill oils mihero 20:14
mdl0871hehe20:15
mdl0871 which country are you in?20:15
mdl0871i am chinese20:15
miherofinland20:16
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mdl0871nice20:16
mdl0871english is your mothertown language?20:16
CosmoHilllcuk, ali1234, that FAQ wiki issue got fixed20:17
mdl0871i have losed my boyfriend20:17
mdl0871he loves an other20:18
CosmoHillwe're sorry to hear that but lets keep it on topic20:18
Stskeepsmdl0871: we have a channel for that, #meego-bar :)20:18
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kyb3R:)20:18
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mdl0871thank you20:18
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thornslardman|home: qemu or another VM if Meego can run under it20:31
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thornssorry for late reply20:31
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lardman|homethorns: np, yes iirc it did work20:39
lardman|homebut I was trying to build an N900 image, so didn't do much with the SDK itself20:40
lardman|home(trying and succeeding iirc)20:40
lardman|homeit did interfere with the maemo qemu install, which is what I use day to day, so I've not tried the meego version again20:41
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lardman|homes/install/installed version20:41
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lcukstoopid computers21:38
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berndhshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk&feature=related23:06
berndhspeople won't wait for the speed of light :)23:07
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pupnikgood topic for #meego-pub berndhs23:33
vgrade#meego-bar23:34
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dm8tbrmeh, I think I'll go back to a netbook-qemu image23:49
dm8tbrthere I know I can get X working23:49
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pupnikoh right23:57

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