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| CosmoHill | son of a whore, my desktop has been working fine ever since I put windows 7 on it and now it can't get the damn USB hub working | 00:03 |
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| smoku | i just moticed that the icon for a device in meego netbook edition is a handset device :D | 00:09 |
| smoku | just pull down the menubar :) | 00:09 |
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| smoku | huh. muting and unmuting routed sound from headphones to speakers. and replugging headphones didn't help | 00:14 |
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| Macer | so what exactly does meego on the n900 have going now? are there any apps or is it still working on the base? | 00:22 |
| Ragha | hi | 00:23 |
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| Ragha | i could not find mount.nfs on meego, any alternate ways to mount nfs fs? | 00:23 |
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| smoku | Macer, http://tinyurl.com/329sn2s | 00:26 |
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| mortenmj | smoku: wow, you fail | 00:29 |
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| mortenmj | Macer: it's very much a work in progres | 00:32 |
| mortenmj | progress* | 00:32 |
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| Mek | hmm, is there some way to check at runtime if an app is run under the handset ux? (I only care about handset vs. non handset at the moment) | 01:10 |
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| CosmoHill | very random question, can hamsters have apple? | 01:57 |
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| smoku | yes | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | sweet, thanks | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | probably should have asked before I gave it to Freddy | 01:59 |
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| Mek | hmm, can I make my package depend on package-name-1 if the meego version it is built against is 1.1, or some-other-package-name if it is built against any newer meego? | 02:57 |
| CosmoHill | in spec files you can say that it requires Foo | 02:58 |
| CosmoHill | you can also say that it requires foo-1.2.3 equal to or greater | 02:58 |
| Mek | yes, but I want to require Foo when I'm building for meego 1.1, but Bar when building for meego 1.2 or newer (some packages got renamed/dropped/replaced etc...) | 02:59 |
| Mek | or I should just not want my package to be installable on meego 1.1 I guess... | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 02:59 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine Meego will have a release macro defined for RPM | 02:59 |
| CosmoHill | you might be able to go | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | if %release => 1.1 | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | require foo-1.2 | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | else if %release > 1.1 | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | require foo 1.4 | 03:00 |
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| haroun | Hi All, Need a help .. I am trying to build a kernel with my own changes ...using rpmbuild utility .. the issue that I am facing is whenever I am trying to build kernel using rpmbuild command ... rpmbuild unpacks the source code, applys the patch and generates RPM binary (everytime).. which overrides my changes in the BUILD directory .. Is there a way to create RPM binary without executing %prep %build %install stage ? ( other than creat | 03:38 |
| BManojlovic | yes | 03:39 |
| BManojlovic | haroun: rpmbuild --short-circuit | 03:40 |
| BManojlovic | man rpmbuild and there search for it | 03:40 |
| haroun | BManojlovic: first thanks for your response ... But --shortcircuit is applicable only for "bc" and "bi" ... these two modes not creating binary RPM | 03:41 |
| BManojlovic | but point is use it untill you fix build process | 03:42 |
| BManojlovic | so no unpack patch stuff | 03:42 |
| BManojlovic | it will just do make every time | 03:42 |
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| BManojlovic | untill you are satisified with process | 03:42 |
| BManojlovic | and on the end just do full rpmbuila -ba | 03:42 |
| haroun | BManojlovic: if I do full rpmbuild -ba , my old changes in the BUILD directory will go off rite ? | 03:44 |
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| smoku | BManojlovic, it's not possible to create package out of build tree without creating a patch. rpmbuild was specifically designed to prevent this. you need to create a patch and include it in the spec | 03:48 |
| BManojlovic | haroun smoku i agree | 03:49 |
| BManojlovic | so that is why i prefer using osc and build packages locally in chroot | 03:49 |
| BManojlovic | haroun: i suggest to you to create patches using quilt | 03:50 |
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| BManojlovic | as it would allow you some flexibility | 03:50 |
| BManojlovic | to use it even in rpmbuild environment | 03:50 |
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| smoku | BManojlovic, oh yes. I should direct my message to haroun :) | 03:52 |
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| BManojlovic | :) | 03:52 |
| haroun | BManojlovic,smoku : thanks for your input ... I posted this question Just I wanted to make sure ... is there a different way to solve the issue ??? | 03:52 |
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| BManojlovic | i really suggest you read on quilt for this specific matter | 03:53 |
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| haroun | BManojlovic: ok , i will look into quilt. | 03:55 |
| smoku | haroun, the whole point of spec and packaging is to make the process repeatable without human intervention. so no, I will not devour my time comeing up with an idea how circumvent it for you | 03:55 |
| BManojlovic | haroun: http://nordisch.org/2009/3/20/quilt-a-really-quick-howto | 03:56 |
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| hlzxy | when i use osc to create a new package ,I always show a edit to modify , how can I skip it ? anyone know it> | 04:10 |
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| hlzxy | when i use osc to create a new package ,it always show a edit to modify , how can I skip it ? anyone know it> | 04:10 |
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| smoku | just mkdir a package directory and commit it ;-) | 04:30 |
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| Ragha | guys, i could not find g++ package in meego | 04:36 |
| Ragha | which repo has g++? | 04:37 |
| bef0rd | gcc-gpp | 04:37 |
| bef0rd | i believe | 04:37 |
| bef0rd | gcc-c++ | 04:38 |
| Ragha | installing gcc-c++, lets see | 04:39 |
| Ragha | thats the one | 04:39 |
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| Mek | hmm, if you have an X-Osso-Service line in your .desktop file for an application, the application does not inherit the environment from uxlauncher, and can for example not use the X_DESKTOP_SESSION env variable to determine if the app is running in the netbook or handset (or something else) UX... | 05:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | fcrozat|gone, please ping me when you get back. Need to ask you a question or two about fmradio for n900 thanks | 07:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | fcrozat|gone, nevermind, found the file, thanks anyway :) | 08:16 |
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| joshy | olla | 09:18 |
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| joshy | 9min + dd-time + reboot + install to go | 09:19 |
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| jarkko^ | coolnes: http://www.visual6502.org/ | 09:37 |
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| changghu | any of my runtimes do not starting up now, at least meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime was working ok before I shutdown my ubuntu and left yesterday | 10:21 |
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| joshy | i also tryed it some minutes ago to install it on a atom convertible.... | 10:33 |
| joshy | don't boot | 10:33 |
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| joshy | moblin get installed @ Gigabyte M912 | 10:55 |
| joshy | ähhhhmmmm..... meego | 10:55 |
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| joshy | done | 11:05 |
| changghu | emm, find out I did not modprobe kvm module, now it is back | 11:09 |
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| Bostik | note to self: when updating/adding routes to a gateway box, the command to reset all rules is "ip route flush" - NOT "ip rule flush" | 11:33 |
| Bostik | that was not fun | 11:33 |
| Bostik | and that should read "reset all caches" | 11:34 |
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| Paddy_NI | The dell dkms driver module really should be preinstalled on Meego | 11:51 |
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| joshy | what packetmanager is used by moblin? | 12:18 |
| joshy | and from which distribution is moblin derived? | 12:19 |
| lcuk | didn't moblin emerge some time at the start of the universe? | 12:19 |
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| Jacko_H | Hello | 12:21 |
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| joshy | nope; mix between maemo and meego; Nokia and Intel | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | err.. | 12:21 |
| lcuk | joshy, I think you have it backwards | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | you got that wrong | 12:21 |
| Jacko_H | Hello? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | hi Jacko_H | 12:21 |
| lcuk | Maemo + Moblin == Meego | 12:21 |
| Jacko_H | Yea | 12:21 |
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| joshy | meego was derrived from fedora | 12:22 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | it was derived from moblin and bits and pieces from maemo | 12:22 |
| joshy | meamo i think some like ipkg... openmoko.... i don't know | 12:22 |
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| range | And no again. | 12:23 |
| joshy | <joshy> meego was derrived from fedora => moblin was derrived from fedora | 12:23 |
| joshy | range: correct me | 12:24 |
| range | Maemo doesn't use ipkg. | 12:24 |
| pupnik | DEBIAN | 12:24 |
| pupnik | APT | 12:24 |
| pupnik | hurrrrrr | 12:24 |
| range | And now breathe in again, please. | 12:24 |
| pupnik | oxygen is overrated | 12:25 |
| joshy | i only saw maemo on the n900 phone | 12:26 |
| joshy | on the same phone i saw: debian, ubuntu, meego, android, ... | 12:26 |
| joshy | packetmanager for meego? | 12:27 |
| joshy | ntfs for meego? | 12:27 |
| joshy | answers? | 12:29 |
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| pupnik | hey joshy you're german | 12:32 |
| pupnik | woot | 12:32 |
| pupnik | lol | 12:33 |
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| joshy | nope, austrian | 12:33 |
| joshy | Österreicher | 12:33 |
| pupnik | no difference | 12:33 |
| pupnik | same language | 12:33 |
| joshy | big difference!!! | 12:33 |
| pupnik | yeah and there's big differences between hessians and bavarians too | 12:34 |
| pupnik | so package manager is rpm based | 12:34 |
| pupnik | and whatever gui is whatever | 12:34 |
| pupnik | ntfs is whatever linux provides | 12:35 |
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| joshy | packetmanager: is there something like yum or yast? | 12:39 |
| joshy | ntfs: packet to install? | 12:39 |
| Tm_T | zypper? | 12:39 |
| lcuk | ohhh packagemanager! | 12:39 |
| lcuk | yeah zypper | 12:39 |
| * lcuk did not know what a packetmanager was and thought it was network related | 12:39 | |
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| * joshy excuse lcuk that he thing a packetmanager is network related | 12:41 | |
| joshy | ntfs? | 12:43 |
| joshy | apt-cache search ntfs => zypper ... ? | 12:44 |
| lcuk | i know what it is | 12:44 |
| lcuk | but ntfs is a filesystem not an app | 12:44 |
| dneary | Tm_T, http://wiki.meego.com/Zypper | 12:44 |
| dneary | joshy, zypper search ntfs | 12:44 |
| pupnik | lcuk: paket = package in german | 12:45 |
| joshy | no package found | 12:45 |
| dneary | joshy, Also, there's the package manager GUI, which is pretty f'n awesome | 12:45 |
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| dneary | joshy, Not surprising | 12:45 |
| dneary | ntfs supprot is a kernel thing | 12:45 |
| joshy | dneary: I saw it | 12:45 |
| dneary | I doubt it's enabled in the kernel | 12:46 |
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| joshy | normaly there is a kernelmodul for that | 12:46 |
| * fcrozat guess he is searching ntfs-3g | 12:46 | |
| joshy | and this comes in a package | 12:46 |
| fcrozat | which is not available on "upstream" meego | 12:46 |
| joshy | which package source i have to add? | 12:46 |
| joshy | ok... compile myself | 12:48 |
| dneary | fcrozat is a better person than me to answer package availability questions | 12:49 |
| fcrozat | dneary: I can't answer for upstream meego | 12:49 |
| dneary | fcrozat, meego? upstream? | 12:49 |
| * fcrozat works on SUSE MeeGo | 12:49 | |
| dneary | Oh - because you work on Novell Meego? | 12:49 |
| dneary | I got it | 12:50 |
| joshy | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533 | 12:50 |
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| dneary | fcrozat, I'm surprise my d-d-l proposal has gone half an hour with no replies from people screaming "censorship!" | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | d-d-l? | 12:51 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, desktop-devel-list - it's a GNOME thing | 12:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 12:52 |
| dneary | joshy, "mount" and "edit /etc/fstab" - how quaint! | 12:52 |
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| joshy | sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/win | 12:53 |
| joshy | mount: unbekannter Dateisystemtyp "ntfs" | 12:54 |
| joshy | mount: unknow filesystemtyp "ntfs" | 12:54 |
| pupnik | /media/lose | 12:54 |
| Sage | meego does not suppot ntfs :/ | 12:54 |
| pupnik | microsoft tried to prevent TCP/IP from becoming a standard | 12:55 |
| pupnik | they actually tried to PREVENT the INTERNET | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: i'm sure someone would say congress tried to prevent the internet | 12:56 |
| smoku | they had their own ms-net for some time | 12:56 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: this is real | 12:56 |
| Tm_T | dneary: thanks, but I know (; | 12:56 |
| pupnik | netbeui | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | since someone in congress was probably opposed to darpa funding | 12:56 |
| * timeless_mbp remembers netbeui | 12:56 | |
| dneary | Tm_T, I saw - the question mark threw me :) | 12:56 |
| * lcuk remembers netbeui | 12:56 | |
| lcuk | lol | 12:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary: did you say "it's 2011, the desktop is dead"? :) | 12:59 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, In response to the Maemo guy twitter remark? | 13:01 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, Oh - d-d-l. I proposed we move the list to strict moderation for the next 3 months | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, you could get a sock puppet and have it propose the desktop is dead, that'd give your proposal more support :) | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | out of curiosity, why did you want to move to strict moderation? | 13:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders what a Maemo guy is | 13:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | (or what twitter is for that matter..) | 13:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | is that where all the NIT wit's go? | 13:04 |
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| joshy | and ntfs is working | 13:09 |
| joshy | thx to http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533 | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | joshy, I am sure Microsoft had something to do with getting NTFS working too | 13:11 |
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| * joshy has the same opineon | 13:12 | |
| lardman | morning | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | morn lardman | 13:12 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 13:12 |
| joshy | midday | 13:12 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: I decided not to bother you yesterday as you were in bed! | 13:12 |
| lcuk | yo lardman \o | 13:12 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 13:13 |
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| joshy | leavin for openttd lan party | 13:13 |
| joshy | cu | 13:13 |
| lardman | bye | 13:13 |
| lcuk | oh ffs | 13:14 |
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| lcuk | i appear to have just replayed a red dwarf scene | 13:14 |
| lcuk | mental note: do not drop memory cards into coffee. | 13:14 |
| harbaum | How do i determine the optimal size of an icon to be used in MBasicListItem ? | 13:14 |
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| joshy | and the big difference between austria and germany is the dialect and the mountains! | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: nice | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | joshy: better skiing in Austria | 13:15 |
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| joshy | umsonst werden ma ja a net als schluchtenscheißer bezeichet... (but off topic) | 13:15 |
| lcuk | Austria is in the Southern hemisphere too *grin* | 13:15 |
| * joshy is going boarding on So | 13:15 | |
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| * joshy likes Hinterstoder | 13:16 | |
| * lardman wonders about the gender of Butter in Austria | 13:16 | |
| joshy | in Upper Austria | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | joshy: um, google translate can't translate that | 13:16 |
| joshy | die Butter | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | > away for free so a ma net bezeichet as canyon ass | 13:16 |
| joshy | timeless_mbp: lol | 13:16 |
| smoku | The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated. -- The Desktop | 13:17 |
| lardman | joshy: I thought it had a different gender somewhere down there, perhaps in Bayern? | 13:17 |
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| joshy | timeless_mbp: The montains are the reason why some german people call us "the canyoning shitters" | 13:18 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: how did Google find ass in that translation? | 13:18 |
| lardman | and is it a wild one? | 13:18 |
| joshy | timeless_mbp: the better google translation is the human translation | 13:18 |
| joshy | lardman: scheißer | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | schluchtenscheißer | 13:19 |
| lardman | joshy: ah, so not Esel at all then | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | alternates are shit, bastard, shits, shitter | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | when i actually *use* google translate, i do round tripping games on words until i get a translation i like | 13:19 |
| joshy | lardman: what do you mean? | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but in this case, the high failure count meant it wasn't worth it | 13:19 |
| lardman | Ass is like a donkey | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and i wanted to remind joshy that this channel should be en- | 13:20 |
| joshy | umsonst werden ma ja a net als schluchtenscheißer bezeichet... (but off topic) | 13:20 |
| joshy | timeless_mbp: ik | 13:20 |
| lardman | in English arse is the translation for Arsch, in American it's ass | 13:20 |
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| santis | Hi! Any news about the PulseAudio downgrade, when will it be available? Or where could I find it and test it? | 13:25 |
| joshy | and the translation back to german: umsonst so eine Maschine netto bezeichet als Canyon Arsch | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | devel:multimedia somewhere, santis | 13:26 |
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| joshy | google 4tw | 13:27 |
| joshy | now i'm really leaving... see you in the mountains! | 13:27 |
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| santis | Stskeeps: Thanks, I think I found it. | 13:31 |
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| lardman | http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027722-283.html /me thinks the writers at cnet are a little insecure, read para starting "Because the MobiCam Internet Kit..." :D | 13:40 |
| lardman | or perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick completely... | 13:42 |
| pupnik | funny how the old english 'methinks' has been resurrected by irc | 13:42 |
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| lardman | mmm, 4.3" touchscreen | 13:43 |
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| pupnik | mmm. $9.95 monthly service fee | 13:45 |
| pupnik | a sucker born every minute | 13:45 |
| lardman | what's that for pupnik ? | 13:46 |
| pupnik | the link you posted lardman | 13:48 |
| pupnik | mobicam internet kit | 13:49 |
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| lardman | oh right, suckers indeed | 13:49 |
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| pupnik | on the other hand a 'service' is 'somethin i don't have to worry about or do myself' | 14:08 |
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| pupnik | the fact that it's not difficult to do is irrelevant | 14:08 |
| pupnik | waiters, for example are superflous if you think abut it | 14:09 |
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| smoku | pupnik, who will cook then? | 14:11 |
| pupnik | the cooks | 14:12 |
| pupnik | they do something with skill | 14:12 |
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| smoku | they can cook or carry around food. one person cannot be in two places at the same time | 14:12 |
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| smoku | ok. you can serialize, but then you will wait an hour for a meal | 14:12 |
| pupnik | does burger king have waiters? | 14:13 |
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| smoku | pupnik, kind of. the person at the counter is not the person preparing the food | 14:13 |
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| CosmoHill | how many of you read XKCD and thus don't require me to post a link to todays comic? | 14:47 |
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| smoku | is there a way to build RPM package having all sources and spec in one directory? not splitting it to SOURCES, SPECS etc. | 14:47 |
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| CosmoHill | you only need the SOURCES directory really | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id, smoku | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | the specs file can be anywhere on the computer | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: ah, build | 14:48 |
| CosmoHill | smoku: I think the file is called .rpm_rc or something along those lines | 14:49 |
| CosmoHill | it allows you to have custom RPM settings without making them global | 14:49 |
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| smoku | I extracted the src.rpm package and I want to build it | 14:49 |
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| smoku | ie. how does OBS build packages? it does not split it over dirs, does it? | 14:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine it does split it over dirs, it's the default for RPM | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | nate@blue[1004]:/usr/src/rpm $ ls | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | BUILD RPMS SOURCES SPECS SRPMS | 14:51 |
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| smoku | so if you have all the sources, patches and specs for all the packages you maintain mixed in one tree, tracking the changes with some version control will be a nightmare | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: osc build does the 'hard work' for you | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | or build | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, BUILD/RPMS/SOURCES/SPECS/SRPMS sucks :) | 14:56 |
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| CosmoHill | you could just make them links | 14:58 |
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| CosmoHill | ln -sv {BUILD,RPM,SOURCES,SPECS,SRPMS} target_dir | 14:58 |
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| smoku | ha ha! | 15:01 |
| smoku | # tail -2 ~/.rpmmacros | 15:01 |
| smoku | %_specdir %(pwd) | 15:01 |
| smoku | %_sourcedir %(pwd) | 15:01 |
| smoku | :D | 15:01 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo, cleaver | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: nice | 15:02 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: should document that somewhere :) | 15:02 |
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| smoku | do you know how is package version given to rpmbuild? | 15:10 |
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| mwichmann | it's in the spec file, unless you pass values in | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | obs mods the Release: line, afaik | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | in spec before starting rpmbuild | 15:11 |
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| smoku | mwichmann, how do I pass the values? (man rpmbuild didn't help) | 15:19 |
| mwichmann | just a sec, I've got an examle somewhere | 15:19 |
| mwichmann | hmmm, thought I did; what I've actually done is had a prototype specfile, and edited that to produce one with the versions I want embedded | 15:21 |
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| smoku | %define version %(cat version) | 15:21 |
| smoku | will have to do :) | 15:22 |
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| harbaum | any mtf specialists here? | 15:31 |
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| harbaum | or where is place to ask questions about mtf? | 15:33 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 15:41 |
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| smoku | OBS sure does make things easier :) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:45 |
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| andrewfblack | /join #Maemo | 15:47 |
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| w00t_ | pong | 15:57 |
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| dneary | timeless_mbp, Back... | 16:05 |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, re moderation: d-d-l is useless to developers because non-developers are signed up to it and use it as a forum to complain to developers | 16:05 |
| dneary | re a Maemo guy: kind of like a dodo, I guess | 16:05 |
| dneary | re twitter: an effective way to waste time | 16:05 |
| dneary | re NIT wits: no, they are on the Community forum in tmo. | 16:05 |
| dneary | And right here on IRC :) | 16:05 |
| dneary | (resend - I think the first time it got lost in the ether) | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: i could imagine that once you've switched to a dependancy based startup process, it's fairly easy to move on | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's the sysvinit -> dependancy based startup that's a problem | 16:36 |
| slaine | Upstart scripts are not compatible with systemd | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: sure, but they're easier to convert | 16:36 |
| slaine | So you'd have to do the work all over again | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | as the graph is already there | 16:36 |
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| slaine | To a degree, but it kinda seems pointless | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | otoh, if your startup process isn't stable cos of systemd not being mature, that's not a good thing.. | 16:38 |
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| slaine | Didn't stop them moving to btrfs, ooooo | 16:38 |
| slaine | ;) | 16:38 |
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| slaine | You help fix upstream by doing things like that | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:39 |
| slaine | Also, parallelism has been continually shot down as a valid speed up paradigm by the Intel folks. The fastboot project was all about finding the bottlenecks that stopped things happening quickly | 16:40 |
| fcrozat | http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture/Meetings/20101117_Weekly | 16:40 |
| fcrozat | LOL | 16:40 |
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| slaine | Isn't it a bit late to make Upstart happen for 1.2 ? | 16:42 |
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| slaine | Thought it was in freeze or about to enter freeze | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit late to get hardfp in, as well | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | god, i love speedrpm for arm builds | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | previously: 454 seconds for nss package build for armv7 | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | now: 266 seconds | 16:43 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: What was that, caught a glimpse of it on your report | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | which one, hardfp or speedrpm? | 16:43 |
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| slaine | speedrpm | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | speedrpm is basically some OBS tricks to use a x86 binary rpm and accelerate some tools such as tar, gzip, bzip2, coreutils, rpm-build | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Did you see if 'compare' is also in there? It seems that for some large packages that also takes quite a while. | 16:47 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i'm not sure how to accelerate that one yet, but this is a start | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | 119 seconds is a X86 build of same package | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Oh for sure. | 16:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Rebuilds will be a lot faster :) | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | we're going to be having armv7 and armv7hl alongside, so we need to cut resource use of arm port :P | 16:53 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: so instead of using the arm system utils in the build root for file management, it calls back out of the emulation layer to the host servers x86 tools ? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | for a while | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: actually, nicer than that, it drops x86 binaries in the chroot | 16:53 |
| slaine | Isn't the chroot run via qemu though ? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | in practice the method is binfmt, so if there's an ARM binary, it's run through the chroot's usr/bin/qemu-arm | 16:54 |
| slaine | right | 16:54 |
| slaine | clever | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | if not, it is a x86 binary and with some tricks, they can co-exist | 16:54 |
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| slaine | I like it | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | it also means that when you do a osc local build, it brings cross compilers and stuff along | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | exactly matching the tools in the distro | 16:55 |
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| abhijeet | is it possible to run the meego SDK on ubuntu 10.10 64bit?? | 19:09 |
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| alterego | abhijeet: yes, just use 10.04 repos | 19:18 |
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| abhijeet | alterego, so there no 10.10 repos?? | 19:19 |
| alterego | No. No. | 19:19 |
| abhijeet | ok.. | 19:20 |
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| sergiusens | can anyone enlighten me on the charset supported by the spec files? The name tag doesn't allow much, but the description allows some international chars | 19:31 |
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| * mgedmin hopes it is UTF-8 | 19:47 | |
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| hhartz | does someone know if the issue with WLAN disappearing from the Ideapad can be solved without having to install Windows to reenable it? | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | hhartz, hrm | 20:06 |
| lcuk | when did this occur? | 20:06 |
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| slaine | hhartz: there's a switch on the front panel to turn on/off wifi I think | 20:10 |
| slaine | or is there a known issue/bug that I'm not aware off | 20:10 |
| lcuk | thats what I am wondering | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | i do recall someone mentioning having to reset bios after some network event | 20:12 |
| slaine | weird | 20:12 |
| lcuk | but not reinstalling a whole OS just to tick a switch | 20:12 |
| slaine | I had some problems with mine (not wifi but odd things) that where down to switches on the device | 20:12 |
| slaine | anyway, commute time | 20:13 |
| slaine | have a good one | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | heh texrat thought he had a duff device | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | salut lcuk et sla...oh | 20:13 |
| lcuk | cos his powerlock switch was toggled out of the box | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | hey CosmoHill | 20:13 |
| CosmoHill | oo pizza, bbl | 20:13 |
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| LjL | what shape is the N810 port in currently? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | not a good one | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | we stopped making armv5 builds in meego, so | 20:29 |
| LjL | :( | 20:30 |
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| LjL | Stskeeps: did you give up due to technical reasons or what? last time i spoke to you you seemed hopeful | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | LjL: who says i gave up? ;) | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's just on a low priority atm | 20:34 |
| LjL | ah :P well the fact you aren't building for the target made me assume so | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | nah.. it won't be meego-meego but noone says we can't make a build for armv6 on our own and use that, but we're really busy with armv7 | 20:35 |
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| Mat_Matan | http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.sadistic.pl/pics/Programming.jpg | 20:47 |
| Mat_Matan | ffuuuuuuu www.sadistic.pl/pics/Programming.jpg | 20:48 |
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| csdb_ | any word on opening up build.meego.com for anonymous read-only? | 20:51 |
| csdb_ | its been more than 3 weeks since the MeeGo Dublin announcement... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | csdb_: good question, ask it on meego-packaging@ and let's get some kind of status out (but i would really first expect an answer monday) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | anything you need? | 20:55 |
| csdb_ | yeah - we've been doing the "download-the-source-rpm-and-update-the-local-obs-repo" method, but that doesn't bring in the updates to the cross/x86 pkgs | 20:56 |
| csdb_ | as baselibs.conf and and friends don't get packaged into source rpms | 20:56 |
| csdb_ | dl9pf gave me a tarball with the existing ones a few months back but I'm sure that's quite dated by now. | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's a bug - can you do me a favour and file it and make it block 11462 ? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | (hardfp metabug) | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | we're touching all the cross stuff right now anyway so | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | if you need a copy right now i can do that too, i think dl9pf's on travel | 20:59 |
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| thiago | arjan: ping | 21:03 |
| csdb_ | Stskeeps, just sent email to meego-packaging. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | bug 9671 is also a bit annoying for downstream | 21:05 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 cri, High, ---, anas.nashif, ASSI, Source RPMs are not published for ARMv7 packages, only for X86 | 21:05 |
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| csdb_ | I can file a bug too on the metafile absence - but I'd still much prefer access to build.meego.com | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | metafile? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the baselibs not getting into srpm | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that'd be good, as i plan to submit a large portion of them soon | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | so i can fix them before | 21:07 |
| csdb_ | Should this be Development Tools/packaging tools ? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | sdk/toolchain-arm | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly bugzilla is getting reorganised soon, :P | 21:09 |
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| csdb_ | Stskeeps, filed bug 12116. It took me a while because I went back to compare the source rpms to what I expected to see in them and it seems to be only baselibs.conf missing nowadays. I remember in the past "files_to_exclude" and "binaries_to_prepare" files would not show up in src.rpms, but they seem to be there now | 21:30 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12116 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, NEW, baselibs.conf exists in OBS packages and doesn't get packaged into source rpms | 21:30 |
| csdb_ | I'll continue comparing and if I see anything other than baselibs.conf missing I'll add it to the bug | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 21:30 |
| csdb_ | just got a reply to my query and new ETA is "hoping by end of January"... | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw - though after the savannah hacks and so on, i don't blame them for being cautious :/ | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, "savannah hacks"? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/01/gnu_savannah_hacked/ | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | thanks, eep | 21:40 |
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| csdb_ | anyway to get non-anon access? What reminded me of this was the note on the accelerated rpm that i saw in your n900 meeting minutes | 21:42 |
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| csdb_ | given the "hopefully" part I suspect anon access is now at least some 2 months away | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | csdb_: same way as the rest of us, request an account on bugzilla (community infrastructure -> build service), state what you need it for | 21:44 |
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| sergiusens | mgedmin: well I tried some special chars in the name tag and they didn't work, just some accented vowels, they did work in the description though | 23:03 |
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| mgedmin | oh, right, that spec file charset question a long time ago | 23:04 |
| sergiusens | nah, it was from your comment 3 hours ago ;-) | 23:04 |
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| sergiusens | just got back online and saw it | 23:04 |
| lcuk | thats quite some lag | 23:04 |
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| mgedmin | name tag is what? | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | package name? | 23:04 |
| mgedmin | I'm pretty sure those must be ascii only | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | probably also lowercase only | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | but don't listen to me, I last saw a spec file in 1998 when I was using red hat 5.2 | 23:05 |
| sergiusens | yeah, the name tag in the spec file... ascii only, fedora's guidelines specify it, but meego's doesn't | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | never looked back after switching to debian | 23:05 |
| sergiusens | I just got curious | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, did ASCII exist then? *grin* | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | even if rpm specs are _much_ simpler than debian/rules and friends | 23:05 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk, didn't ancient romans invent ASCII? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | lol mgedmin, no that was MXCII | 23:08 |
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| smoku | how can I detect in SPEC that the rpm is being built for MeeGo ? | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | %if %_vendor == "meego", maybe | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | (we just fixed this from MeeGo, should have been meego, so your mileage may wary) | 23:52 |
| smoku | thx | 23:53 |
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