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| ali1234 | ideapad platform driver? http://git.iksaif.net/?p=acpi4asus.git;a=commit;h=1cee026eb0e9333c14a40bb5e683a721bf520b9a | 01:33 |
| javispedro | that's for the soft rfkill stuff | 01:33 |
| javispedro | that one is in 2.6.36+ | 01:34 |
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| ali1234 | ah ok, not for the embedded controller then? | 01:35 |
| javispedro | nope | 01:35 |
| javispedro | btw | 01:36 |
| javispedro | are our lenovos "different"? | 01:37 |
| javispedro | even the manual and some online sites state they use ddr2 | 01:37 |
| javispedro | yet at least mine is a n455 and uses ddr3 | 01:37 |
| lcuk | sabotage, :) thanks for the talk last night, I followed up somewhat and got the handset applications themselves on the handset ux (the log of actions is below the conversation) http://liqbase.net/meego_changing_desktops_addendum_20110105.txt | 01:38 |
| javispedro | I've also noted different behaviours for hotkeys between mine and someone's retail lenovo. | 01:38 |
| lcuk | still needs tweaking somewhat, but your hints about zypper patterns was useful :) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i heard network cards differed | 01:39 |
| lcuk | so potentially it might have been more than that | 01:39 |
| javispedro | yeah, but it's weird they'd stick a ddr3 mobo =) | 01:40 |
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| hiptobecubic | Meega | 01:42 |
| hiptobecubic | Meego's not ready for the girlfriend test yet, is it? | 01:43 |
| CosmoHill | depends on the girlfriend | 01:43 |
| lcuk | it depends, does your girlfriend support SSSE3 instructions and have OpenGLES2 acceleration? | 01:43 |
| hiptobecubic | She does | 01:43 |
| javispedro | how many cores? | 01:44 |
| hiptobecubic | she has one | 01:44 |
| javispedro | outdated -- discard. | 01:44 |
| hiptobecubic | Well i can't afford a new one | 01:44 |
| hiptobecubic | So i'll have to make due | 01:44 |
| lcuk | does she have a microsd slot? | 01:44 |
| hiptobecubic | she does | 01:45 |
| lcuk | to install meego on your partner: get a sharpie, write "meego" on forehead and go dabble. | 01:46 |
| hiptobecubic | Realistically though, If i stick it on her netbook, and tell her "here try this" is she going to be upset that it crashes when she watches youtube? Or is it reliable? | 01:47 |
| lcuk | if its a netbook, the usb key includes liveboot thing to boot from usb without installing | 01:48 |
| lcuk | you can test/confirm all you need | 01:48 |
| lcuk | and then if it ticks all the right boxes you can install it :) | 01:48 |
| hiptobecubic | hmmm | 01:49 |
| pexi | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/ces-microsoft-shows-off-windows-8-on-arm/8339 | 01:49 |
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| ali1234 | it's not all that bad on netbook | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, some frustrations, especially bug 10544 | 01:52 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, NEW, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | it makes my eyes bleed | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | who even uses alt-tab? | 01:55 |
| ali1234 | i haven't used it since about 1998 | 01:55 |
| hiptobecubic | I use it constantly | 01:55 |
| lcuk | ali1234, i use it when coding | 01:55 |
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| ali1234 | i can't even understand that bug report :( | 01:56 |
| lcuk | i have editor and terminal and browser and folder window | 01:56 |
| lcuk | and switch between them | 01:56 |
| lcuk | theres 2 window lists | 01:56 |
| lcuk | 1 being the order the windows were opened | 01:56 |
| lcuk | which remains constant | 01:56 |
| lcuk | and the other is alt tab | 01:56 |
| lcuk | when you alt tab, the window manager pans back and "slides" to the window you want | 01:57 |
| lcuk | using the opened order visuals | 01:57 |
| ali1234 | oh yeah i remember that | 01:57 |
| ali1234 | it's a completely pointless effect that just makes switching windows take longer than necessary and as an added bonus, sells more GPUs | 01:58 |
| lcuk | the more windows you have open, the more unsettling it is | 01:58 |
| ali1234 | just shut your eyes while the effect is on screen :) | 01:59 |
| lcuk | how long will it be on screen? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | if theres 2 windows it will be ok | 01:59 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, too long imo | 01:59 |
| lcuk | but god forbid you alt tab to the "wrong" console and have it slide forever | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it fscks with head anyway | 02:00 |
| ali1234 | turn it off | 02:00 |
| ali1234 | if there isn;t a way to turn it off, report a bug for that | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | i dont mind it, i just think the order of windows on the list should reflect stuff | 02:00 |
| lcuk | its only rectangles and should be a trivial thing to fix for someone who knows which line | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | the order on alt-tab is traditionally arranged to show the most recent windows first | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | the order of the sliding presumably uses the spatial position of the windows on the virtual screens | 02:01 |
| hiptobecubic | The sliding thing is pretty terrible, yes. | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | i guess this is the core of your problem? | 02:01 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:01 |
| ali1234 | i can't see a way to fix the sliding effect, and changing alt-tab will just annoy people even more... so i can't see a good way to fix this | 02:02 |
| ali1234 | doesn't really seem like that much of a problem though | 02:03 |
| ali1234 | assuming the slide takes constant time | 02:03 |
| lcuk | ali1234, alt_tab.clicked() { WindowManager.Rearrange_Contents(); | 02:03 |
| ali1234 | ie it goes faster if the windows are further apart, like the compiz virtual dekstop switcher does if you jump between two far apart desktops | 02:03 |
| ali1234 | oh, you want the window manager to move around all windows when you alt tab? | 02:03 |
| ali1234 | won't that get confusing when the windows are constantly moving around? | 02:03 |
| lcuk | no moving needed until you select which window you want to go to | 02:04 |
| lcuk | then just put the windows into the same order as they were in alt tab | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | then after the slide effect, put them back? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | you dont see the windows overall position | 02:04 |
| lcuk | until you do alt tab | 02:04 |
| lcuk | so they wont "move around" | 02:04 |
| ali1234 | you do if you have more than one on a screen... | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | and how do you have more onscreen at once on netbook? | 02:04 |
| lcuk | i have not seen any app share screenspace in netbook | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | there is a way to do it | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | i can't remember how | 02:05 |
| lcuk | but its not the norm | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | but it is definitely possible | 02:05 |
| lcuk | anyways, i need coffee, \o | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | really though the whole "q app per desktop" is the reason my ideapad has ubuntu installed on it | 02:06 |
| ali1234 | i just can't get on with it | 02:06 |
| * lcuk does not mind that | 02:07 | |
| ali1234 | i don't like alt-tab at all, it is slower than just clicking the taskbar | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | i don't like editors that heavily use keyboard shortcuts either | 02:08 |
| lcuk | only if you dont have to pickup mouse | 02:08 |
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| ali1234 | i don't care how fast you are with vim, selecting a block of text is still faster with the mouse | 02:08 |
| lcuk | but i am a touch guy | 02:08 |
| lcuk | ali1234, selecting a block of text directly with the screen should be even faster :P | 02:08 |
| lcuk | but its time and motion studies | 02:08 |
| lcuk | if you hand is on the keyboard | 02:08 |
| hiptobecubic | ali1234, vim lets you select with the mouse as well :) | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | it would be if touch screens weren't so damn inaccurate | 02:08 |
| lcuk | to move it away knocks you off | 02:09 |
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| ali1234 | i don't put much faith in those studies. they would probably conclude that computers should have only one button because moving your hand between multiple buttons slows you down | 02:09 |
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| ali1234 | then again i don't touch type either | 02:10 |
| hiptobecubic | I do touch type, and I still get impatient with how long it takes. | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | i think if you are a touch typer who *never* looks away from the screen you might have difficulty finding your mouse (which can move about) | 02:11 |
| ali1234 | but i stare at the keyboard while typing :) | 02:11 |
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| javispedro | even if you're a touch typer, how are you going to *lose* the mouse? | 02:11 |
| javispedro | it's not like it moves on your own | 02:12 |
| javispedro | *his own. | 02:12 |
| ali1234 | not "lose" it... just have difficulty grabbing it quickly when you need to click on something | 02:12 |
| javispedro | *looks at his mouse* right down the spacebar. | 02:12 |
| hiptobecubic | i have issues with touchpads being underfoot, so to speak. But that's really just HP being a bunch of stupid assholes more than anything else. Do they really think symmetry sells more laptops? | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | ah touchpads... yeah, i tend to use a lot more keyboard shortcuts when i'm on a machine with a touchpad | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | but i carry around a usb mouse in my netbook bag anyway | 02:13 |
| ali1234 | when i'm using my netbook at home i use synergy to control it with my desktop keyboard and mouse | 02:14 |
| hiptobecubic | ... why are you using a netbook at home? | 02:14 |
| hiptobecubic | from your desk, no less | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | um... because i'm a developer? | 02:14 |
| * lcuk is close to using n900 as mouse :) | 02:14 | |
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| mwichmann | speaking of usb meece, I'm using one occasionally on the ideapad, since that touchpad is so crappy | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | i don't develop and test on the same machine... that way lies madness | 02:15 |
| mwichmann | and it works really poorly | 02:15 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q | 02:15 |
| mwichmann | it "forgets" if you don't touch it for a bit, you have to click to wake it up | 02:15 |
| mwichmann | this sound familiar at all? | 02:15 |
| lcuk | ali1234, why is that madness? :) | 02:15 |
| ali1234 | no, i had no problems with usb mouse on meego on ideapad | 02:15 |
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| mwichmann | humpf | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | lcuk i guess it depends what you're developing. if you're testing a kernel module and you have to reboot every time, you don't want to be loading up your whole IDE after every crash... | 02:16 |
| ali1234 | also what the hell is that video? | 02:17 |
| lcuk | ali1234, for sure | 02:17 |
| lcuk | ali1234, its related to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 02:17 |
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| ali1234 | o_O | 02:18 |
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| ali1234 | mwichmann: to be honest, if i don't touch the mouse for a while on ideapad/meego, it suspends and then can never wake up... maybe that's why i didn't have the problem | 02:20 |
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| Ragha | guys, how do i setup native compilation environment with meego | 03:32 |
| lcuk | Ragha, depends what you want to compile | 03:33 |
| Ragha | let me start just have gcc first | 03:34 |
| lcuk | but doing "zypper pattern-info development-tools" or "zypper in -t pattern development-tools" should add everything | 03:34 |
| lcuk | even a simple "zypper se gcc" would tell you whether its there ;) | 03:34 |
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| lcuk | you need to also install the -devel packages for libraries you need to use | 03:35 |
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| Ragha | i did zypper install pattern:development-tools | 03:37 |
| Ragha | i get error | 03:37 |
| lcuk | then debug the error :P | 03:38 |
| Robot101 | thiago_: hey, you arrived in vegas? | 03:38 |
| lcuk | hey Robot101 :) | 03:38 |
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| Ragha | lcuk, doing it | 03:39 |
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| Robot101 | lcuk: yo | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, wheres the conf happening and why aren't you out enjoying Vegas? :D | 03:42 |
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| lcuk | or are you sat at a poker table now ircing :P | 03:42 |
| Robot101 | I don't really find Vegas that scintillating, and I had a massive headache when I arrived so I'm just chilling out in my room | 03:43 |
| lcuk | eek, i bet the short sleep contributed to that | 03:43 |
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| thiago_ | Robot101: yes | 04:22 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: not entirely sure why, but I had to remove the "QMAKE_LFLAGS += "-Wl,--as-needed"" line from style.pro or otherwise the internal plugin would fail to load because it didn't link against all the needed libraries... | 07:17 |
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| Guest82200 | hey | 08:10 |
| Guest82200 | please let me know latest kernel version of meego | 08:11 |
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| hlzxy | anyone built OpenCV-2.0.0-5.124.src.rpm with obs? I need some help . this is end of the info: http://pastebin.com/TGHYXZJS | 10:13 |
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| Stskeeps | that is for ARM? | 10:16 |
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| hlzxy | yes, armv7el | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | get from 1.2 OpenCV 2.2, it compiles for arm | 10:18 |
| tyson_ | meego1.2??? | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, or as it's called atm, meego 1.1.80 | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | .something | 10:25 |
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| hlzxy | 1.1.80.6.20101116.1 version contain 2.0.0, so fast. | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: yeah, it was fixed recently | 10:47 |
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| nazgee | morn | 12:24 |
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| hena | hmh, chromium seriously sucks the juices out of my lappie | 12:54 |
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| hena | couple tabs open and one with plenty of images and load shoots up | 12:56 |
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| AndyBleaden | hena, why dont you try using firefox instead | 12:57 |
| hena | i guess i'll try | 12:57 |
| hlzxy | when I use osc -A url ,how I can out my account. | 12:58 |
| AndyBleaden | hena, I never let chromium last on this...looks fast but slows everything else down | 12:58 |
| AndyBleaden | hena, you know how to install it on meego? | 12:58 |
| hena | is there a specific procedure on it? | 12:59 |
| hena | of cource i can do it my way | 12:59 |
| AndyBleaden | hena did a blog on it here http://andybleadengoeskubuntu.blogspot.com/ | 12:59 |
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| AndyBleaden | no specifics but i was new ish to meego so had to do it this way | 12:59 |
| hena | sweet | 13:00 |
| AndyBleaden | I dont use chromium now at all | 13:00 |
| hlzxy | what I should do if I want to logout my account with osc?anyone know it . | 13:00 |
| hena | AndyBleaden: thanks | 13:01 |
| AndyBleaden | hlzxy, what is osc | 13:01 |
| AndyBleaden | hena, no probs | 13:01 |
| hlzxy | AndyBleaden:command connet to obs | 13:01 |
| AndyBleaden | hena, let me know if you get stuck..be aware they might have a new version of Firefox and a different language version for you | 13:01 |
| AndyBleaden | hlzxy, not done that obs thing...anyone else? | 13:02 |
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| hlzxy | I use command 'osc -A url commit" ,it show info:http://pastebin.com/VWJcjNM5 , anyone can help me | 13:06 |
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| hena | seems like chromium is a memory hog | 13:08 |
| Bostik | by design, I'd say | 13:09 |
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| RST38h | all that matters is whether it is a bigger memory hog than Fennec | 13:10 |
| Bostik | it's a tradeoff from its security sandboxing feature (pages for each source domain by default run in their separate subprocess) | 13:10 |
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| hena | seems like a weird choice for meego, to m | 13:11 |
| hena | e | 13:11 |
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| McPels | what's are the differences between maemo and meego? | 13:15 |
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| RST38h | google? wikipedia? | 13:15 |
| McPels | I mean if i install meego on n900 it would be fifferent from now? | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | McPels: maemo's occasionally useful, meego is under development and warms your hands | 13:18 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps++ | 13:19 |
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| McPels | Stskeeps: Sorry i couldn't get u. can uexplain more? | 13:19 |
| hena | hah | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | McPels: means meego is not really end user ready | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | ie, meego on n900 | 13:20 |
| McPels | Stskeeps: So is it easy to install meego on n900 | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | it takes a bit of leg work | 13:22 |
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| McPels | Stskeeps: Another question, will meego release for PCs too? | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, IA and ARM | 13:25 |
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| McPels | Stskeeps: And do u know when? | 13:26 |
| smoku | MeeGo for x86 netbooks is usable as daily os already | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | McPels: meego.com, please visit :) | 13:26 |
| McPels | Stskeeps: thanks :|| | 13:26 |
| lcuk | more valid questions include: is beowulf clustering software available | 13:27 |
| lcuk | and does meego boot on cray supercomputers | 13:27 |
| dm8tbr | and will it install on the cloud | 13:27 |
| Bostik | that reminds me of a marvelous riposte a friend's boss and professor once came up | 13:28 |
| Bostik | some of my friends, in different universities, were all working on cluster computing; a guy asked why the different university clusters aren't combined into a single mega-cluster | 13:28 |
| Bostik | the response was brilliant: | 13:29 |
| Bostik | "It would require some major scientific breakthrough (eg. exceeding or raising the speed of light) to get the operation latencies down enough to make it feasible" | 13:29 |
| lcuk | yes, obviously dataset dependent | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | but there are certain operations which are feasible | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Bostik: Go explain that to Slashdot crowd. | 13:30 |
| RST38h | Bostik: Count the number of Beowulf Cluster Of These responses. | 13:31 |
| Bostik | true, of course if something is highly (or perfectly) parallelizable, you can always split the work into coherent and individual chunks | 13:31 |
| RST38h | Bostik: Count the number of In Soviet Russia responses. | 13:31 |
| RST38h | Bostik: Weep. | 13:31 |
| hena | it's hard to count flops when latency is measured in seconds ;) | 13:31 |
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| Bostik | can't be arsed, I value what's left of my questionable sanity | 13:31 |
| lcuk | Multiple the number of responses by the attempts at first post | 13:31 |
| lcuk | and dip heartily into some hot grits | 13:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That wouldn't be sporting enough | 13:32 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: The goal is to reach despair by using addition and subtraction only! | 13:32 |
| Bostik | another friend formulated a statistical law few years back | 13:32 |
| Bostik | "one /. post in 10k is valuable; within those, one post in a thousand is brilliant" | 13:33 |
| smoku | just like with people | 13:33 |
| RST38h | Seriously, though, http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856 | 13:34 |
| RST38h | Knuth's view of parallelism and the use of multicore archs | 13:34 |
| RST38h | smoku: I thought the generally accepted view of people has been 1/10, not 1/10k? =) | 13:35 |
| smoku | RST38h, political correctnes ;P | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | hey - is there a screenshot gallery containing all the dialogs encountered during netbook install | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | so I can confirm about whether the installer allows dual booting (by leaving some space on the drive) | 13:45 |
| dm8tbr | be a hero, run it in vbox and create it! :) | 13:45 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, you have dual boot? | 13:45 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, thanks for the offer :D | 13:45 |
| timeless_mbp | dual boot what? | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, do you dual boot the ideapad? | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | not yet | 13:46 |
| smoku | lcuk, IIRC it allows for dualboot. But I don't have any proof. ;-) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:48 |
| lcuk | thats why I am thinking the screenshots | 13:48 |
| lcuk | I am sure someone at meegoconf took a whole set | 13:48 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, timeless_mbp You can dual boot but meego bootloader is greedy and you have to be careful where you put it. Had this trouble in Moblin What you looking to dual boot it with? | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | w7starter | 13:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | but only if someone provides an installer which non-destructively shrinks my ntfs partition | 13:51 |
| smoku | doh. how I like the ideapad keyboard... it feels so much bigger than on my 13" laptop | 13:52 |
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| smoku | timeless_mbp, I always use parted live cd to shrink windows | 13:53 |
| AndyBleaden | timeless_mbp, oh eck you tried the guide on the forum | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | smoku, the ip keyboard is kinda nice | 13:54 |
| lcuk | but some keys are in wrong place | 13:54 |
| smoku | lcuk, Fn for example ;-) | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | nahh I am used to that smoku | 13:56 |
| lcuk | i have x200s for normal day/day | 13:56 |
| lcuk | its home/end/pgup/down surprisingly | 13:57 |
| smoku | lcuk, I keep hitting it instead of Ctrl | 13:57 |
| lcuk | am used to avoiding it | 13:58 |
| smoku | the best layout for PgUp/down/home/end I had on sony vaio - it was Fn + up/down/left/right | 13:58 |
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| smoku | so i was scrolling pages normally with up/down and when i wanted more just press Fn and still use up/down | 13:58 |
| lcuk | thanks RST38h Bostik | 13:59 |
| * lcuk has "natalie portman" in search bar now for some reason :P | 13:59 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ftr, i haven't looked at all | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm waiting for someone to volunteer to walk me through it | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, well I actually thought you already had it (hence me asking you) but will watch out for others | 15:00 |
| lcuk | and possibly also just try to install from the usb key I have and take some pics too | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been "planning" on it for a while | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i have the usb key | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not using it until someone non-distructively repartitions | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm told the key can't do that | 15:01 |
| lcuk | well hopefully one of the ~500 people over there might know/have capability to test/compare etc | 15:05 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 15:06 |
| dm8tbr | I'd try but I dont' have one :) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, I can send you a usb key | 15:06 |
| lcuk | but you are on your own for device itself | 15:06 |
| dm8tbr | bah! | 15:06 |
| lcuk | its a very pretty key | 15:06 |
| lcuk | meego branded | 15:06 |
| * dm8tbr will continue hacking meego onto his Archos 101 then | 15:07 | |
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| Zuhaitz | Hi :-) | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | \o hi Zuhaitz | 15:10 |
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| CosmoHill | if they can't remember my sent text messages they can f off too | 15:35 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf is the point of syncing messages if I only have half the conversation | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: my ideapad stole a copy of my n900's sms's | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i think | 15:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you saying it was "special"? | 15:37 |
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| CosmoHill | there are some text conversations that were important to me | 15:37 |
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| CosmoHill | oh fuck you windows, now my keyboard and mouse have stopped working | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | err wtf | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so, lemme get this straight | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | keyboard, mouce and phone were all connected via a hub | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ovi suite doesn't show me messages in my phone unless my phone is connected? | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | it shows the messages on your phone yes | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I synced my messages with the computer | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | how "helpful" | 15:39 |
| CosmoHill | so they should be aviable offline | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't do that automatically? | 15:40 |
| * timeless_mbp is terribly confused | 15:40 | |
| CosmoHill | no | 15:40 |
| * timeless_mbp concludes the ui must be terrible | 15:40 | |
| CosmoHill | I click the sync button at the botto | 15:40 |
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| CosmoHill | at least my keyboard and mouse are working now | 15:51 |
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| CosmoHill | a lot of messages I've sent are missing | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | maybe it's just not synced properly | 15:54 |
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| CosmoHill | cos I have some recent ones, then there's a gap and then more send messages | 15:54 |
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| djszapi | How could I type ö ä characters in stardict on my n900 ? I tried to copy a file onto the device for instance with those characters but I cannot copy anything from the terminal into the stardict ? What is the easiest way ? | 16:03 |
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| djszapi | ctrl, shift insert magic cannot work either in terminal since there is no insert button. | 16:16 |
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| mschlens | djszapi: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V? | 16:56 |
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| corp769 | does anyone here have a successful port of meego to the n900? | 17:29 |
| araujo | corp769, there exist meego images for N900 already | 17:29 |
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| corp769 | oh i know. i'm just asking if everything works, or if there are still bugs to be worked out | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of bugs to be ironed out, we're making a hardware adaptation :) | 17:30 |
| corp769 | yea i know =P | 17:31 |
| corp769 | i would really like to try it out, but i need full functionality of my phone, ya know.... | 17:31 |
| lcuk | corp769, tell you what, if you can help fix bugs you will have phone faster! | 17:32 |
| corp769 | i would like to =P | 17:34 |
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| corp769 | but with the job i have, and only having one n900, thats gonna be hard to do | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | corp769, yes indeed | 17:35 |
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| SharRakorR | i can help with that bugs | 17:37 |
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| corp769 | shit, i would, but i'm military and can't risk redoing my phone all the time | 17:39 |
| lcuk | sivang, hmmm "why ideapad got very slow all of a sudden" | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i thought I was going mad a couple of weeks ago when it did this, i got called away and when it booted back up (I closed the lid) it worked fine | 17:40 |
| sivang | lcuk: oh, that's from last night, I gave up on it. the UX is just not usable :/ | 17:40 |
| sivang | lcuk: well, no, it also boots slower now | 17:40 |
| sivang | lcuk: so I'm out of clue entrily | 17:40 |
| lcuk | sivang, hm | 17:40 |
| sivang | Now I wish I had left window on it | 17:40 |
| sivang | at least I could read pdf books on the go | 17:40 |
| sivang | with the diaplsy rotated | 17:40 |
| sivang | some here were smart enough to do so :-p | 17:41 |
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| sivang | lcuk: I just wanted to simply read books, check emails, and do some facebook browsing and youtube | 17:41 |
| SharRakorR | lcuk, i can help with that bugs,because i have two phones (n900,N95 8GB)so it will be ok if n900 will die :D | 17:41 |
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| corp769 | must be nice to let a n900 die =P | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | Yes, my first successful build of a MeeGo app with OBS! | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: congrats :) | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | Easier than I thought once I figured out spec files :) | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | SharRakorR, technically if it dies I would consider filing a bug. | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | the only dramatic effect at the moment appears to be missed calls when maemo isnt running | 17:46 |
| corp769 | just curious, can you run maemo and meego side my side? | 17:46 |
| arjan | fiferboy: if you use spectacle, most of the hairy spec file stuff goes away | 17:46 |
| corp769 | side by side* | 17:46 |
| araujo | it is not like your n900 will die ... it will get warmer than usual, and not as fully functional yet, but it works :P | 17:46 |
| sivang | araujo: what's on it? | 17:47 |
| fiferboy | arjan: I did use spectacle, but it is a bit weird | 17:47 |
| fiferboy | It's like using a spec file to generate a spec file :) | 17:47 |
| araujo | sivang, meego | 17:47 |
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| fiferboy | (It did make things easier in the end, though) | 17:47 |
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| SharRakorR | lcuk, it was only a joke :D :) only thing i wanna say,if you will need help,just say :) | 17:47 |
| odin_ | fiferboy, can I copy it! :) or can you at least make it readable on OBS for others to see it ? I think the default is like hidden. I have not gotten back to resolving why I can't build locally let alone remotely, must be a config issue | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | odin_: I will look into making it public. It was my understanding that everything in OBS was public by default | 17:48 |
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| sivang | araujo: meego makes your N900 die? | 17:48 |
| odin_ | fiferboy, I'm not sure since the new OBS version with ACLs, as in... I can't seem to just browse anything via web UI | 17:48 |
| araujo | sivang, was answering corp769 :P | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | odin_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=personal-lexicon&project=home%3Afiferboy | 17:49 |
| corp769 | =P | 17:49 |
| corp769 | thanks | 17:49 |
| sivang | araujo: ah :) | 17:50 |
| odin_ | bug #615 | 17:50 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, Medium, ---, ryan.r.ware, ASSI, Open the access of MeeGo OBS | 17:50 |
| * odin_ sighs | 17:50 | |
| lcuk | fiferboy, does that do partial word suggestions? | 17:50 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: No, not right now | 17:51 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: My main aim was for exact matches, but I will make a future version do partials | 17:51 |
| sivang | odin_: meego obs as in pub.build.meego.com ? | 17:51 |
| odin_ | fiferboy, thanks I'll try and see what I am doing wrong and fix my package now | 17:52 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, no hassle, cool you got it in obs | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | odin_: Hopefully the packing is a good example to follow, it is my first attempt :) | 17:52 |
| lcuk | and you reminded me of a word I invented | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Thanks, I just wanted a starter project to get my MeeGo build on | 17:52 |
| lcuk | and just found out its now in uran dictionary :D | 17:53 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Ooh, what word? | 17:53 |
| lcuk | lexicolon | 17:53 |
| fiferboy | Personal Lexicon tells me that is not a real word :P | 17:53 |
| lcuk | http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=149500&cid=12528947 | 17:53 |
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| * lcuk shudders that as little as 5 years ago I was openly discussing apple topics :P | 17:54 | |
| fiferboy | Ha, nice! | 17:54 |
| odin_ | sivang, no this is to allow access to the "MeeGo Core OBS" to lift/copy/replicate data, it might be half useful if I could browse into https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore (i.e. should there not be a list of packages in there already, all public and branchable? since they (community obs admins) have a MeeGo Core OBS account to do it) | 17:54 |
| fiferboy | Bullshimble is also not valid | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: there's nothing in there cos of the way OBS works :) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | (not ACLs) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's imported binaries, they don't show up as packages | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | though it could be interesting to see if it's possible to do a hybrid | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | where srpms are imported too | 17:55 |
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| sivang | odin_: I did not follow the bug completely, but you say we cannot even browse the repos? | 17:57 |
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| sivang | odin_: "does nto have any packages yet" | 17:57 |
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| fiferboy | I have built that package now for Windows (with installer), Maemo5, MeeGo, and desktop Linux (deb) | 17:58 |
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| odin_ | fiferboy, out of interest can you "osc build personal-lexicon.spec" locally ok? or are you doing 100% remote build and taking commit counter hits (a partial-commit feature to obs would allow users to group/test/batch separate changes remote builds, without bumping the commit id) | 17:59 |
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| fiferboy | odin_: I did a rpmbuild locally, but not using osc. When I did remote builds I had to fix some files and re-upload, which took commit hits | 18:00 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, yes is the usage to remote branch between MeeGo Core OBS and the MeeGo Community OBS then ? so what / why does the project namespaces like MeeGo:1.1:Core exist on cobs at all ? what is the purpose | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: imported rpms, quite normal practice - you can't build against them without projects | 18:01 |
| odin_ | fiferboy, is it possible to try "obs build personal-lexicon.spec" please ? | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | 'osc' | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | morning qgil - happy new year! | 18:01 |
| qgil | hi Stskeeps :) | 18:01 |
| odin_ | Stskeeps, is the import process automatic, any pointers to docs on that ? yes 'osc' :) | 18:01 |
| fiferboy | odin_: I don't have osc installed on any machines right now | 18:01 |
| odin_ | fiferboy, ok no worries | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: go look at my 10 easy steps to set up obs for an idea | 18:02 |
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| qgil | has anybody seen/heard/read tekojo X-Fade lbt or bergie lately? | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | hey qgil, X-Fade was floating around this morning | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: X-Fade's around, tekojo was back at work yesterday, lbt's on vacation | 18:02 |
| lcuk | bergie is afaik in Africa still | 18:02 |
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| Myrtti | yup, judging his flickr pictures | 18:03 |
| lcuk | RT: @bergie exploring Mombasa. Next two nights will be spent on bus and plane http://qaiku.com/go/aen0/ http://twitter.com/bergie/status/23000874561310720 (a couple of hours ago) | 18:03 |
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| qgil | thanks - alternatively does anybody know if there is any information about Apps, Extras, Surrounds, Packages, Community OBS development... something I could link at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update to follow the progress? | 18:04 |
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| odin_ | Stskeeps, ah yes.. the solution is to run a local OBS then ? ok this was my intention all along, but I shall replicate MeeGo Core packages in version control I want to branch, I had heard that cobs could assist in this matter somehow (found wiki page: 10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS ) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: no, read the script to understand how release imports work | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 18:04 |
| odin_ | ok looking | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | qgil, I would suggest a bug (unless you know of one) | 18:07 |
| qgil | yeah, I already created one for bergie and planet.meego.com progress and I will do the same for the rest | 18:08 |
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| qgil | it's just that... I also have plenty of things to do :) | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | yeah, but once the bug is in place it becomes easier to ping the related parties | 18:09 |
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| qgil | well, lcuk I can tell you that lack of pings is not the problem :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps we need to have a team of community facilitators who helps the people executing various things (community obs, apps, whatever) find needed people/resources, keeping tabs on progress, etc | 18:11 |
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| qgil | lcuk: interestingly enough I'm chasing not only corporate employees to get more documentation and reports at *.meego.com, but also community people with impecable openness agenda like the aforementioned - for different reasons | 18:11 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: this is in part what Dawn, Mike or myself are doing in Community Office tasks - but I can't jump physically on their desks :) | 18:12 |
| qgil | anyway, this discussion is funnier with the people mentioned involved | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | we could need some proper mini project management tools :) to list blockers and so on for community activities, but i suppose bugzilla could possibly be used for it | 18:15 |
| lardman | hi qgil, did you get my email? | 18:15 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, how are you finding obs | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, sounds like a council. ;) | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Much easier than last time I tried it (during maemo 4 times, I think) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, simply filing bugs for activities is a good start ;) | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: i'm sure you know my opinions on how well that concept is at managing projects | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| GAN900 | It's not management, it's facilitation. | 18:16 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update ? what else do you need for casual tracking and reporting - apart from the people working giving updates from time to time? | 18:16 |
| fiferboy | Having a obs specifically for MeeGo seems like it does a lot of the setup for the user, which is good | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: looking | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: yeah, that's looking like a good tool :) | 18:17 |
| qgil | lardman: yes, I did - I'll get back to you | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: i would add things like policies to be made that needs to be ready for meego 1.2, as well | 18:18 |
| lardman | qgil: cool, thanks | 18:18 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: the problem with the work on Community OBS, Apps, Packages etc is that it seems to be done Without a Trace | 18:18 |
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| GAN900 | qgil, is there any reporting documentation up? | 18:19 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: that page is about meego.com updates, something that ultimately I'm responsible of - if there are Policy bugs that need to be fixed before 1.2 release then the best is to lobby for them | 18:19 |
| qgil | GAN900: "reporting documentation"? | 18:19 |
| GAN900 | qgil, "Here is how, what and where you report on your tasks." | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: :nod: i don't disagree on that (that it is being done a bit invisibly), but i think a lot of meego IT is conducted that way too.. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | so i think it might be a wider area problem | 18:20 |
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| qgil | GAN900: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#Tasks says "Every task must point to a bug report and/or a wiki page describing the task, where to help and the progress. One coordinator is assigned to each task but more people might be involved (check the link)." | 18:21 |
| qgil | GAN900: if you think more is needed then I'm all ears | 18:21 |
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| qgil | GAN900: then again, I don't thin k the problem of lack of reporting is in the process. it is just in the lack of reporting :) | 18:22 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: what I would like to find is the root of the problem. Apps, Community OBS etc don't have any dependency on hidden agendas, server security etc (that I'm aware of) | 18:22 |
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| qgil | actually we had these problems of lack of reporting in the Maemo times already | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, it does have dependancies on server security and legal counsel for "what can be kept on community obs", at least | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | legal counsel/policy | 18:23 |
| qgil | with council and everything ;) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | due to the usual patent/licensing nightmares | 18:24 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: sure, but none of that discussion is private or needs to be private | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:24 |
| lcuk | you can have those dependencies, but you can also have a bug saying "people are working on stuff" | 18:24 |
| qgil | bug report + meego-community would suffice | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | i think a standard reporting of "what problems do we have that needs to be solved by: us, someone else, what have we accomplished in this week" and have someone follow up on what 'others' need to do | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | qgil, well, easier to report when you know exactly how and when you're expected to. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | +would be good | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | such as "need a policy for OSI licensing" or "mike isn't answering our mails and the user database hasn't been accessible for a month" ;) | 18:28 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to hacking | 18:28 | |
| hena | cool | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | so there's a outlet for blockers and a motivation to report as it can help move ahead on issues | 18:28 |
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| qgil | GAN900: isn't the other way around? reportimng as part of your open development work, and you report every time there is a significant achievement, or something that get's you stuck, needing help/feedback from others? | 18:29 |
| hena | i just bumped to two annoying bugs on netbook | 18:29 |
| hena | too bad i don't remember anymore what they were... | 18:30 |
| qgil | GAN900: actually this might be part of the root problem: the perception that reporting is something "you have to do because there is a process or hierarchy that requires it" | 18:30 |
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| qgil | GAN900: as opposed as "reporting because it helps me getting things done sooner, better and faster" | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | and making sure reports don't just go into /dev/null, that someone actually reads them and reacts on them.. | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm sure there's corporate studies on this | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | qgil, probably, but I'm completely overwhelmed by the number of channels in MeeGo. | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | I couldn't even begin to guess whether different tasks have been reporting on one of the 20-odd mailing lists. | 18:33 |
| * lardman suffers from that too | 18:33 | |
| qgil | GAN900: reporting is about using the wiki to document the stuff you want to achieve / you have done + bugzilla to report progress on specific features and bugs. That's it. | 18:33 |
| qgil | GAN900: forums, mailing lists, IRC and tweets are not good for reporting | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | qgil: you have any plans to be this side of the pond this quarter? | 18:34 |
| qgil | I just came from Europe this week, timeless_mbp | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | qgil: oops | 18:35 |
| timeless_mbp | is that your only planned visit for the quarter? | 18:35 |
| qgil | timeless_mbp: and for the half, probably | 18:35 |
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| GAN900 | I don't think wikis make for great project management tools. | 18:36 |
| hena | they can | 18:36 |
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| hena | real project management tools sometimes slow things up a lot | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | simple centralized project management tool would really be good | 18:37 |
| qgil | GAN900: wikis are great for documentation | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | like i suggested back on maemo.org | 18:37 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: if people don't find time to report on a bug, I believe they will find even less time to report in anything more complex than that, something that needs to be learned, etc | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: true | 18:38 |
| hena | big project usually need bigger tools, but using bigger tools for small projects is a huge loss of manyears | 18:38 |
| qgil | guys, nobody is asking for anything more than: "please explain what you are aiming to achieve and where are you now" | 18:39 |
| hena | and for me for example, if the bugtracker is webbased it's already too much usually :/ | 18:39 |
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| lcuk | qgil, the learning aspect is certainly true. | 18:40 |
| mwichmann | hena: I actually find deskzilla (bz client) useful, it has offline storage and can be pretty quick | 18:40 |
| mwichmann | it's commercial, but free to oss projects, and knows about moblin.com | 18:40 |
| hena | yeah, need something like that | 18:40 |
| lcuk | mwichmann, i find the web interface great, especially with linkage on irc | 18:41 |
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| hena | somehow reporting a bug in the middle of something is so big stop that it's hard to get back in hackmode after that | 18:41 |
| lcuk | giving people a link right in their face along with encouragement adds votes or comments | 18:41 |
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| hena | i mean if it's webbased | 18:41 |
| hena | but i guess i'm weird cuz i hate forums and such also for the same reason | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | certainly hena | 18:42 |
| lcuk | just the action of selecting the component is a biggy | 18:43 |
| * lcuk getting chinese for tea tonight, will bbl \o | 18:43 | |
| qgil | about Apps/Extras etc there was apparently a whole sprint done in Helsinki, announced by Tero & co in the MeeGo Conference - no trace | 18:44 |
| qgil | they have been working for a long time on complex sites like the packages catalog, the apps catalog... - no trace | 18:44 |
| qgil | there is a gap between this and having to report daily in a scrum-like way, in a specialized tool etc. I'm just asking form a wiki page with the description of what is the goal and a bug report or more explaining the progress everythime there is something worth mentioning | 18:45 |
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| lardman | does the person doing the work even have to write to the wiki themselves, I imagine a group of people could look at the ml and lurk in the channel (thinking of meego-arm here) and update the wiki as things of interest happen | 18:49 |
| qgil | lardman: even for the person doing the work writing down in a wiki page what do you want to achieve is a good thing. Even more if there is more than one person working on the same thing. Even more if these people are not saring the same office. | 18:50 |
| qgil | lardman: but yes, once a first stab is done and agreed then it is easier for anybody to help adding up and updating | 18:51 |
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| lardman | I certainly think it would be useful for people who are contributing to say what they are doing (and indeed who they are), but they needn't do this themselves, there are enough of us not contributing atm to be able to take whatever info they give us and transcribe it | 18:56 |
| lardman | useful for those who want to know what they might be able to help with that is | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | meego project tracking is bugzilla (features, infrastructure, bugs), so isn't it an idea since most people who are needed to accomplish something in community is on there, to use that as well to track activities and set up some typical work patterns "use a metabug for your activity, raise sub-bugs for issues where you need to involve others for help, and do reporting of your progress in the metabug" | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't even see a community OBS bug atm so | 19:01 |
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| lardman | working out what to search for in the bugtracker is not the easiest for those browsing | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | you can't beat the simplicity of commenting on a bugzilla bug and CC'ing people on a bug/assigning | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | of course, but that's where you have wiki bugzilla plugin ;) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | and dependancy trees | 19:02 |
| lardman | ah, I was going to suggest generating something automatically | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=11429&hide_resolved=0 , where things that needs to be done turn into bugs | 19:03 |
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| lardman | is there an overall bug/enhancement for e.g. Meego 1.2 on N900? | 19:05 |
| lardman | so that each of the other bugs can be pulled out from that? | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | that one is a problem - we are working on how hardware adaptations fit in meego requirements, because they don't belong with meego core, handset ux, whatever | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | and every work starts from a requirement | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | our intention is to start having adaptation requirements, "nokia n900 adaptation must have a libEGL implementation" and so on | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-porting/2010-November/000087.html | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | requirements are in bugzilla, naturally :) | 19:09 |
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| lardman | ok, so that sounds like it's in hand, if still wip. I guess for would-be users a summary of the bug list and its effects would still be of use | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=ARM%20issues%201.2%20NEW&sharer_id=1890 :P | 19:12 |
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| lardman | but I don;t see that as something that the devs need to do | 19:13 |
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| lardman | ok, so that will keep me busy this evening then ;) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | another way is the bug triage meetings to catch issues early | 19:13 |
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| lardman | I've got to go and pick up my wife, but will be back this evening, I'll be happy to sketch out and at least try to start filling in something N900 related for the masses | 19:16 |
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| lardman | assuming you guys are happy with that; afterall I did complain about the difficulty of working out what's going on, so a task might force me to find out ;) | 19:17 |
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| lardman | anyway, bbl | 19:17 |
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| Stskeeps | we're happy about all contributions | 19:17 |
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| Cas | Is MeeGo as configurable and open as Meamo? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say more | 20:01 |
| Cas | Because? | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | because it's a open source platform? :P | 20:02 |
| Cas | Maemo is, too | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | let me drag out an article | 20:02 |
| Cas | And Maemo is Nokia alone, with MeeGo, Intel came | 20:02 |
| mihero | and linux foundation is wathing over MeeGo | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | 43% open source | 20:03 |
| Cas | But, still, is it as configurable as Maemo? Can you get to a terminal, for example, without having to hack your mobile? | 20:04 |
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| wmarone | Cas: depends on what the handset vendor does | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but keep in mind there's no handsets deployed with it yet - so it's the platform you see atm | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | so a vendor may lock it down as wished (open source platform) or leave some things open as it's too much effort | 20:05 |
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| Cas | Alright, thank you | 20:06 |
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| djszapi | mschlens: does ctrl-c,v work by you ? | 20:08 |
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| mschlens | djszapi: It usually does on my N900 | 20:11 |
| djszapi | it does not by me. | 20:11 |
| djszapi | it works in another applications, but not in console, have you ever tried it ? | 20:11 |
| djszapi | or just saying ? | 20:11 |
| mschlens | djszapi: It was just a hunch. | 20:13 |
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| wmarone | ctrl+c can't possibly work in the console for copy and paste, it already has a specific purpose :/ | 20:13 |
| djszapi | yes. | 20:14 |
| djszapi | never worked for me... | 20:14 |
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| mschlens | Uh, duh... right. Sorry. | 20:14 |
| mschlens | Forget what I said :) | 20:14 |
| hena | C-c works for me in the terminal | 20:15 |
| hena | well, "works" | 20:15 |
| djszapi | define "works" | 20:15 |
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| mschlens | djszapi: does C-S-c/v work? | 20:16 |
| hena | i get the char printed | 20:16 |
| djszapi | anyways...I am not sure what the best way is to type non-ascii characters in stardict, this copy/paste is just a workaround, is there a btter way ? | 20:16 |
| djszapi | hena: in mstardict ? | 20:16 |
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| hena | oh, sorry | 20:16 |
| hena | :) | 20:16 |
| djszapi | hena: it does not really work by me: what I do is 1) select the arrow on the left 2) select a text 3) ctrl-c | 20:17 |
| wmarone | tap the menu at the top and select copy | 20:17 |
| wmarone | ctrl-c just sends a break command | 20:17 |
| wmarone | wait | 20:18 |
| wmarone | meego, not familiar with its terminal | 20:18 |
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| hena | yeah, my terminal does not do what it's "supposed to" with C-c | 20:18 |
| djszapi | you were right, that works | 20:18 |
| hena | but it's sent all the way to irssi tho | 20:18 |
| djszapi | ty. | 20:18 |
| djszapi | is there a lesser painful way ? | 20:19 |
| wmarone | try doing ctrl+shift+c? | 20:19 |
| mschlens | use a proper computer? ;-) | 20:19 |
| djszapi | for example to install a virtual keyboard for a key combo ? | 20:19 |
| djszapi | where I can choose non-ascii characters ? | 20:19 |
| wmarone | what language are you using? | 20:20 |
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| djszapi | Finnish, but it is language independent question. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | c-s-c does not work either. | 20:20 |
| djszapi | arrow, control like virtual keyboard would be nice, but with much more non-ascii characters. | 20:22 |
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| djszapi | should I write such a small app ? :) | 20:23 |
| pupnik | could meego and Palm OS merge? | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: you mean webos | 20:25 |
| pupnik | oh yes t | 20:25 |
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| dneary | I like that the way to nominate a page for deletion in the MeeGo wiki is to add it to the "Die die die" category :) | 20:25 |
| dneary | It's a little silly | 20:26 |
| dneary | Just enough to be fun | 20:26 |
| dneary | And a little nod to the Simpsons | 20:26 |
| Migzy | doh! | 20:26 |
| dneary | "Any man who speaks German can't be that bad" | 20:26 |
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| Migzy | anyone had any joy mounting hfs volumes on netbook 1.1? | 20:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary: cute | 20:31 |
| * timeless_mbp loads http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Die_die_die | 20:31 | |
| dneary | timeless_mbp, The German thing, or Die die die? | 20:32 |
| dneary | There's lots to do there :) | 20:32 |
| dneary | Someone from Tieto went through all the Quality pages | 20:32 |
| dneary | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8690 | 20:33 |
| dneary | Sorry - Arto, from Digia | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | <one of those random nokia oriented contracting groups> | 20:35 |
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| fldrog | So, what you think? Android vs meego? What's the future of meego?:P | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | fldrog: meego running in people's brains, naturally | 21:20 |
| fldrog | :)) | 21:20 |
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| fldrog | that is the answer I was looking for | 21:21 |
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| Ragha | hi | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 21:39 |
| Ragha | i have question: how can i search for a package name from a file? | 21:39 |
| Ragha | i wanna know which package contains xf86drm.h | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm -qf /path | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | if you have it installed already :P | 21:40 |
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| Ragha | i dont have the package installed | 21:40 |
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| hena | how many from here work for nokia? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's safe to say there's a large bunch of subcontractors, intel, nokia employees here | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind they're here to work, not to comment on juicy rumours on products ;) | 22:02 |
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| hena | yeah, i'm just wondering how is it to work for nokia | 22:07 |
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| hena | since i have this mental image that it wouldn't be so pleasant | 22:08 |
| hena | :) | 22:08 |
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| hena | never thought of nokia much as a software company and the process seems too complicated to get stuff done | 22:11 |
| hena | but what do i know | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's important to keep nokia and meego devices seperate in your mental image :P | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: stop driving people schizophrenic=) | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | In related news, 4.5" Android handsets are at the gate. | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | it wasn't long ago that handsets had to be so tiny, heh | 22:16 |
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| smoku | RST38h, I already had a 5" android handset | 22:20 |
| berndhs | soon people will have their servents carry Big Handsets for them | 22:21 |
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| Paspartu | Is there going to be any meego tablet reveals in CES? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: ironically, it is pocketable enough | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and people laughed when we had n800's in our pockets.. | 22:26 |
| RST38h | smoku: Which one? and how did it feel? | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Oh, believe me, that 4.5" handset is way more pocketable than n800 | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps:very thing, hardly any border | 22:27 |
| RST38h | s/thing/thin | 22:28 |
| smoku | RST38h, Dell Streak. and I loved it :) | 22:28 |
| RST38h | smoku: Ah,have been looking at it,need to handle it though. It is more of a tablet though. Is it pocketable? | 22:29 |
| smoku | RST38h, fits in jeans (front) pocket perfectly | 22:30 |
| smoku | it's so thin that I would say it's more pocketable than N900 | 22:30 |
| RST38h | smoku:sounds good enough, as far as I am concerned. Is it hackable though? | 22:32 |
| lcuk | is it a phone? | 22:32 |
| smoku | yes | 22:32 |
| lcuk | does it have keyboard? | 22:32 |
| smoku | and yes | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | it's snapdragon, it's a phone, it has no keyboard | 22:32 |
| smoku | and no :) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | shame | 22:32 |
| smoku | RST38h, http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:streak | 22:33 |
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| * lcuk still adores formfactor of n810 | 22:33 | |
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| RST38h | smoku: yooooo.... | 22:34 |
| smoku | yup. I appreciate the full keyboard even more since I got back to using N900 | 22:34 |
| lcuk | smoku, | 22:34 |
| lcuk | you say you loved it | 22:35 |
| lcuk | past tense | 22:35 |
| lcuk | what was wrong with it | 22:35 |
| smoku | lcuk, no 3d drivers -> no meego | 22:35 |
| lcuk | roger | 22:36 |
| smoku | and I hate android | 22:36 |
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| smoku | but if you like android... | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | strong words | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | ever since i got a C7 i cannot use those stupid phone keyboards any more | 22:36 |
| lcuk | its just an os | 22:36 |
| RST38h | so, two minuses are android and no keyboard? | 22:36 |
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| smoku | lcuk, and it gives me just this feeling ;-) | 22:37 |
| smoku | it's just a feeling | 22:37 |
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| smoku | RST38h, I wouldn't call lack of keyboard a minus. not a plus either ;-) | 22:38 |
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| RST38h | How is native app development on the android nowadays? | 22:39 |
| smoku | lcuk, I just don't like things designed to restrict me | 22:39 |
| lcuk | smoku, so its purely drivers issue still then for all these | 22:40 |
| smoku | RST38h, en example - quake port is a small dalvik launcher and input/display layer translator, and the whole game as a .so extension to this launcher | 22:41 |
| RST38h | smoku: So, PalmOSallover again? | 22:41 |
| smoku | lcuk, 1. closed hardware; 2. lack of linux drivers (if the hardware allows you in) | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Can you at least have global data in those .so's? | 22:42 |
| smoku | RST38h, I don't know PalmOS, but if you say so :) | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | smoku: PalmOS as a whole ran inside a 68000 emulator on the ARM PalmOS devices | 22:42 |
| RST38h | smoku: And tobreak out of this emulator, app developers had to write very restricted DLLs with a single entry point | 22:43 |
| smoku | so it's not this case | 22:43 |
| smoku | the case is that you're not allowed to run binary applications. dalvik only | 22:44 |
| smoku | but you're allowed to extend your dalivik app with binary dynamic modules | 22:44 |
| smoku | so if you have a normal binary app, you convert it as a whole to a loadable module and wrap in a thin dalvik loader | 22:45 |
| * RST38h loudly wondering when all the remaining Java adepts are finallygoing to die out | 22:45 | |
| smoku | so NDK is not for allowing binary aps.. no no... Dalvik FTW | 22:46 |
| Bostik | not anytime soon | 22:46 |
| RST38h | smoku: Do you get the direct frame buffer access though? | 22:46 |
| Bostik | it's the COBOL of 21st century, after all | 22:46 |
| smoku | RST38h, are you kidding? | 22:46 |
| RST38h | smoku: Ehrrrm... and nodirect audio access? | 22:46 |
| smoku | hehehe :D | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Ok. Then how do you...mhm...like... draw to the screen? fast? | 22:47 |
| smoku | you need a video/audio/input translator between your app and Java APIs | 22:47 |
| smoku | you're in luck if your app uses SDL, because this translator is already done | 22:47 |
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| smoku | as usuall - you draw in a backbuffer and then give Dalvik a pointer to blit to screen | 22:48 |
| RST38h | How are the framerates then? My stuff really likes fast drawing | 22:48 |
| RST38h | aha | 22:48 |
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| RST38h | So it is like StretchBlt() on Windows | 22:48 |
| RST38h | Does the Dalvik API includes something for hardware scaling? | 22:49 |
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| smoku | did I mention I hate android? ;-) I only looked at SDL port, not at the API itself ;P | 22:49 |
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| RST38h | AHa, I see | 22:52 |
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| CosmoHill | are any of the forum admins on IRC? | 23:14 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: maybe :) | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'm interested in what anti-spam measures there are on the forums | 23:20 |
| DawnFoster | Might be a better question for Reggie | 23:20 |
| DawnFoster | I know that I get an email when someone marks something as spam | 23:21 |
| DawnFoster | and I have the super powers to delete stuff | 23:21 |
| CosmoHill | all mods do | 23:21 |
| DawnFoster | but he probably has some other stuff going on in the background that I never see | 23:21 |
| CosmoHill | I'm a super mod on another vBulletin forum and I get reported most emails too :) | 23:21 |
| CosmoHill | the mods then race each other to claim the kill | 23:22 |
| DawnFoster | Ha! I hide and hope someone else goes in for the kill ;) | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | I'm pretty much the spam filter for our forum :( | 23:22 |
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| CosmoHill | Reggie doesn't have an IRC name listed on the Who's Who page | 23:32 |
| phl0x81 | any meego news worth knowing from the CES sofar? | 23:34 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: on the who's who page, shouldn't the MeeGo Developer's list be in alphabetical order? | 23:35 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: not sure people really use the who's who page for anything | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | I remember it was the first thing I edited on MeeGo | 23:36 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: I usually look at people's meego.com page: http://meego.com/users/reggie | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | he doesn't have irc listed there either | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | but you can contact him using the contact form | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | it does confirm that he is the forum admin tho | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | that I am positive about :) | 23:37 |
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| CosmoHill | sent | 23:40 |
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