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| q_ | hi, how to use wifi using the xfce-desktop? (there is no applet for it) | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | q_ boot into meego desktop and use the applet there. | 00:24 |
| q_ | lcuk great advice ^^ i wanted to use xfce.... (and the meego one does not autoconnect in the background either if thats what you thought about) | 00:25 |
| q_ | xfce usually uses wifi-radar, maybe i can install that one... gotta search for it :) (don't want to build it myself) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | well you might have to | 00:26 |
| q_ | yeah :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | sabotage, ping | 00:28 |
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| sabotage | lcuk: pong | 00:28 |
| lcuk | heya \o | 00:28 |
| lcuk | the comment on bug 10874 | 00:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, shane.bryan, VERI FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 00:29 |
| sabotage | yeah? | 00:29 |
| sabotage | didn't mean to rain on the parade but... it's really not "supported" | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i don't mind at all :) | 00:30 |
| lcuk | however the flag "OnlyShowIn" or whatever | 00:30 |
| sabotage | the purpose for switching is really just to assist developers who don't want to use VMs or multiple devices | 00:30 |
| lcuk | is that something that could be patched against at least for the official apps | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | sure thing | 00:30 |
| sabotage | nod | 00:30 |
| sabotage | that's why I mentioned the need to "adjust" the .desktop files | 00:31 |
| sabotage | ;) | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | because whichever UX people are using, there will be certain apps anyway which do not make sense across different uxes | 00:31 |
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| sabotage | "an excesize for the reader" ;) | 00:31 |
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| sabotage | maybe... but there is no "working group" or body of people appointed to decide that for the MeeGo project as a whole | 00:32 |
| * lcuk this is a similar issue that has rolled around kde/gnome for a while also | 00:32 | |
| sabotage | or at least AFAIK | 00:32 |
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| sabotage | it's a dark and winding path that one follows when they try to enforce "visibility" rules on apps for a "generic" UI platform | 00:33 |
| sabotage | it should really be up to the user in the end, and the OEM/OSV for pre-configuration | 00:34 |
| sabotage | and eventually it breaks down if there is no restriction on how/where apps can be installed from | 00:34 |
| sabotage | which is fine for a "product", just not for a "project" | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | sabotage, yeah | 00:35 |
| lcuk | some ideas about how its been handled in the past: | 00:35 |
| lcuk | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123969 HOWTO: Remove Gnome items from the KDE menu | 00:35 |
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| mwichmann | ummm, is there something here that ought to be handled in the compliance doc? | 00:36 |
| lcuk | potentially | 00:37 |
| lcuk | but its just being highlighted and discussed at the moment without any specific decision or direction | 00:37 |
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| sabotage | the problem is this all assumes that: | 00:38 |
| sabotage | 1) apps are capable of running in a usable manner in given desktops | 00:38 |
| sabotage | 2) source of apps available is controlled | 00:38 |
| sabotage | 3) Product manufacturers/resellers don't complain or ask for exceptions (as if ;) | 00:39 |
| sabotage | 4) desktops usage models do not ever changed to become incompatible with previous choices | 00:40 |
| sabotage | I'm sure I'm over simplifying the issues, but in the end, it's not really my call, and I don't know that anyone in the MeeGo TSG has an opinion, or has been asked for it yet ;) | 00:41 |
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| sabotage | so as my comment suggests, feel free to raise "switching desktops" as a Feature Request, and then make a .desktop file handling rule proposal as a sub-feature and/or new policy proposal | 00:42 |
| sabotage | right now I can guess it would get shot down... but | 00:43 |
| sabotage | I see a future where it is needed | 00:43 |
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| sabotage | imagine devices that are "handsets" while walking around, but when docked in the vehicle, they become "IVI" headunits, and when docked at home, become netbooks or tablets... | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | :) | 00:44 |
| sabotage | in this case, the available apps would need to change based on usage | 00:44 |
| sabotage | moreover, the apps themselves would really need to change (or behave/look differently) depending on state (/me see's new contectKit provider in the future) | 00:45 |
| sabotage | these are easy to understand but less easy to implement and enforce by policy outside the scope of a "product" | 00:46 |
| lcuk | i think its less drastic than that really and dynamic changes are behaviour whilst running than switching to alternative app based on context | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | sabotage, it may be simple enough by at least having a metapackage for the ux to ensure at least that developers can add/remove the basic apps for the ux they use | 00:50 |
| * sabotage learns of a new food - bacon butty | 00:52 | |
| sabotage | lcuk: there is a zypper pattern for the per-vertical apps | 00:52 |
| sabotage | zypper in -t pattern meego-handset-applications (or similar) | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | ooh cool, that is something that can be added to the notes, I will try to find out specifics then, thanks :) | 00:53 |
| sabotage | sure thing | 00:53 |
| sabotage | and thanks for the bacon butty reference... will become a new staple in my house ;) | 00:54 |
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| mwichmann | is there no bzr in meego, or do I just not have the right set of repos selected? | 00:59 |
| sabotage | mwichmann: not sure I've ever seen it | 01:01 |
| vgrade | Eee Slate EP121. 12" Core i5-470UM Windows 7. 64GB SSD | 01:03 |
| vgrade | "Most powerful tablet in the world" | 01:03 |
| mwichmann | 625 brake horsepower? | 01:04 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: google "modbook" | 01:04 |
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| mwichmann | waiting for a time with the Stig driving... | 01:06 |
| mwichmann | (sorry, slightly silly mood atm) | 01:06 |
| CosmoHill | you know they fired the stigg right? | 01:07 |
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| berndhs | they will get another one | 01:09 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, good job I quoted that | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | mwichmann, to head back to a point you made earlier about the compliance doc, if you have readup on it and can find potentially related sections to highlight it might be a good thing in the long run | 01:19 |
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| mwichmann | open to suggestions, I am | 01:26 |
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| q_ | hi, how to auto-start a deamon using xfce, anyone knows how? (starting wicd) | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | open up terminal | 02:13 |
| q_ | " /etc/init.d/wicd start" does this do the trick or something :) ? | 02:14 |
| q_ | got an terminal open | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | should do | 02:14 |
| q_ | ok, thx a lot! | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:19 |
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| angelox_123 | Hi all | 02:37 |
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| angelox_123 | where can i get the source code of MeeGoo | 02:38 |
| angelox_123 | ? | 02:38 |
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| andre__ | angelox_123, http://repo.meego.com/ for packages, or http://meego.gitorious.org/ for code repository | 02:39 |
| angelox_123 | Thank you andre_ | 02:39 |
| andre__ | no problem | 02:40 |
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| angelox_123 | MeeGO is a GUI or a GNU/Linux Distribution ? | 02:58 |
| andre__ | angelox_123, both. | 03:00 |
| angelox_123 | and..have how i download only the GUI and use it on another GNU/Linux distribution? | 03:00 |
| andre__ | probably the easiest way is to use MeeGo adaptions that are published already by some distributions. | 03:01 |
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| kaushik | anyone got a cypress touchscreen working??? the one given in kernel is different from the one I have? | 03:45 |
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| tyson_ | morning | 04:08 |
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| thiago | <-- airport | 04:18 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: workshop has been cancelled | 04:18 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago: ah bummer | 04:20 |
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| hlzxy | I need some help. | 04:50 |
| hlzxy | when I set up a local obs , when I run 'RAILS_ENV="production" rake db:migrate' it show 'Mysql::Error: Table 'api_production.users' doesn't exist' | 04:52 |
| hlzxy | I work on opensuse 11.2 ,what's wrong? anyone know it. | 04:53 |
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| medo | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii | 05:13 |
| beford | hi | 05:13 |
| medo | how are you ? | 05:13 |
| beford | good | 05:13 |
| medo | where you from ? | 05:14 |
| beford | internets | 05:14 |
| medo | hahahahahahaha | 05:14 |
| medo | :) | 05:15 |
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| Mek | hmm, I guess meego_current has a different gcc version etc than meego_1.1... my code builds fine for 1.1 but gets an internal compiler error for meego_current... | 05:28 |
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| lcuk | nice Mek. | 05:29 |
| * lcuk is wondering why applications are needing their own physics panning handling | 05:29 | |
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| michaelg|nok | lcuk: scientific method? :D | 05:32 |
| lcuk | michaelg|nok, lol | 05:32 |
| lcuk | for reference: | 05:34 |
| lcuk | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo/commit/697858ad179bd0826a42f6df3998861c144a8c3b | 05:34 |
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| hlzxy | when I set up my obs, something wrong with mysql, it show ' Mysql::Error: Table 'api_production.users' doesn't exist". anyone could tell me how I should do? | 07:51 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: nokia n900 hardware adaptation team meeting in ~10 minutes in #meego-meeting | 09:50 |
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| hlzxy | <hlzxy> when I set up my obs, something wrong with mysql, it show ' Mysql::Error: Table 'api_production.users' doesn't exist". anyone could tell me what I should do? | 10:14 |
| lcuk | alterego, yes, I noticed comments to bug 11796 | 10:15 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11796 nor, Undecided, ---, paul.a.parenteau, NEW, GeoClue & Qt Mobility Location API non-functional on Nokia N900 | 10:15 |
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| lcuk | alterego, lol | 10:23 |
| lcuk | i dont know | 10:23 |
| lcuk | theodor, thats an awesome pic though :) | 10:24 |
| lcuk | congratulations on first light | 10:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:24 |
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| theodor | lcuk: thanks, our guys are reporting that they get better ones with qt also.. so, lets consider the quality unstable :) | 10:28 |
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| lcuk | theodor, am I right in thinking that you got flash working at same time as the sensor? | 10:29 |
| lcuk | or is the snapshot just looking like that | 10:29 |
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| theodor | yes, no flash | 10:29 |
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| lcuk | theodor, hmm | 10:32 |
| lcuk | that makes the snapshot even more mysterious :P | 10:33 |
| hlzxy | anybody know? | 10:33 |
| lcuk | hlzxy, hrm | 10:33 |
| lcuk | it would take an obs guru I guess? | 10:33 |
| hlzxy | lcuk:what's mean? | 10:34 |
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| lcuk | hlzxy, well you have a problem relating to how obs itself works I guess? have you tried googling on the error | 10:35 |
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| theodor | lcuk: its raw sensor data, but we get quite decent pictures in proper light (for mms sized frames at least or so). The image manipulation part is expected to work soon after meego gets a binball for that stuff from Nokia. Meanwhile we continue integrating oss features as well. | 10:35 |
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| lcuk | theodor, :) nice | 10:36 |
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| Myrtti | mailing list bancruptcy after vacation yay | 11:34 |
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| kyb3R | Myrtti: life is... | 11:36 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, jees | 11:36 |
| kyb3R | oh! and wb Myrtti | 11:36 |
| lcuk | i bet your computer weighed more after you downloaded them all | 11:36 |
| * lcuk got to the point of using a smaller font for all email | 11:37 | |
| lcuk | to make it seem like less | 11:37 |
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| Tm_T | hmm, inbox has only some 3300 unread mails, excluding mailinglists etc | 11:43 |
| lcuk | Tm_T, you should read your mails a bit more frequently than once a week :P | 11:46 |
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| Tm_T | lcuk: yes I should, or better yet, get someone to do the work for me | 11:46 |
| lcuk | thats normal, just how do you amass 3300 unread mails anyway? | 11:47 |
| lcuk | i have it for other reasons | 11:47 |
| alterego | I get that kind of throughput in some of my inboxes. | 11:47 |
| alterego | I should really remove some of my older mailing list subscriptions. | 11:47 |
| hena | same | 11:48 |
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| lcuk | but thats ML stuff | 11:48 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 11:48 |
| lcuk | and churn is expected and handlable | 11:48 |
| hena | couple ays away from lkms and it's terrible. not to mention ll the others | 11:48 |
| lcuk | Tm_T specifically said it wasnt ML | 11:48 |
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| lcuk | on an unrelated topic | 11:50 |
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| lcuk | can anyone give me a hint about missing fonts on this picture: | 11:51 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110105_002.jpg | 11:51 |
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| alterego | Heh | 11:55 |
| alterego | There was something about handset builds and fonts a while ago. | 11:55 |
| lcuk | alterego, yeah garbled fonts, it was assumed to be arm specific problem | 11:56 |
| lcuk | bug 5616 | 11:56 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: are they gone in apps too? | 11:56 |
| * lcuk is already peeking to see | 11:56 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes | 11:56 |
| lcuk | mostly | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | check .xsession-errors | 11:56 |
| lcuk | theres 1 visible item on a menu for instance | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | in /home/meego | 11:56 |
| alterego | Hrm, I wonder if it's a dpi thing | 11:56 |
| alterego | (complete random guess btw ;) | 11:56 |
| lcuk | well there *is* something up with the task switcher also | 11:56 |
| lcuk | it is aligned on 800pixel boundaries | 11:57 |
| alterego | What resolutions has Handset UX been tested with? :) | 11:57 |
| lcuk | this is 1024*600 | 11:57 |
| alterego | Yeah | 11:57 |
| lcuk | and shows fullscreen | 11:57 |
| lcuk | stretched tho | 11:57 |
| alterego | I can see the clock ;) | 11:57 |
| lcuk | the icons have scaling artifacts | 11:57 |
| alterego | I bet those icons look even worth .. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: that's a good question.. | 11:57 |
| alterego | s/worth/worse/ | 11:57 |
| infobot | alterego meant: I bet those icons look even worse .. | 11:57 |
| alterego | lcuk: they look the same on N900s 800x480 | 11:58 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, hmm yeah potentially also for the other devices | 11:58 |
| lcuk | we should check what res the beagle is running at | 11:58 |
| alterego | ugly, and seem kind of pixelated. | 11:58 |
| lcuk | screenshot? | 11:58 |
| alterego | Beagle is max 1024x768 I thought | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's a fonts are ugly bug | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | err | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | not fonts | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | icons | 11:58 |
| lcuk | do you know the number? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | not at hand | 11:59 |
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| lcuk | hang on | 12:04 |
| lcuk | is this a translation thing perhaps? | 12:05 |
| alterego | Hrm, possibly. | 12:05 |
| alterego | Actually, no probably not. | 12:05 |
| alterego | You should get default strings, unless your translation is "" | 12:05 |
| alterego | (I'm not completely sure about this though) | 12:05 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20110105_003.jpg http://liqbase.net/20110105_004.jpg | 12:06 |
| lcuk | couple of other shots | 12:06 |
| lcuk | it might be translationy | 12:06 |
| * lcuk digs | 12:06 | |
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| Macer | lcuk: still doing the liqbase stuff huh? | 12:22 |
| lcuk | Macer, I dabble | 12:23 |
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| Macer | heh | 12:26 |
| Macer | i'm kind of hoping meego works soon ;) | 12:26 |
| Macer | i want something new for my n900 | 12:26 |
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| Macer | if it uses telepathy and still does video chatting then i'm a happy camper heh | 12:27 |
| lcuk | Macer, what apps do you write? | 12:27 |
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| Macer | lcuk: none :( | 12:33 |
| Macer | i'm lame | 12:34 |
| lcuk | not at all | 12:34 |
| Macer | heh | 12:34 |
| lcuk | whats been keeping you occupied then | 12:34 |
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| Macer | a girlfriend ;) | 12:35 |
| Macer | haha | 12:35 |
| lcuk | cool, did you download it from devel, or is it in extras? | 12:35 |
| lcuk | and is she open source :P | 12:35 |
| Macer | devel... it's waiting to be stable | 12:35 |
| Macer | haha | 12:36 |
| lcuk | htheres stability problems, once you move her to stable repo resource requirements shoot through the roof | 12:36 |
| Macer | no. closed blob | 12:36 |
| Macer | yeah but it requires less ram | 12:36 |
| Macer | but more storage space | 12:36 |
| lcuk | just be careful with multitasking | 12:37 |
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| Macer | well. i would say dual booting ;) | 12:39 |
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| slaine | Hmm, my slaine account on the old community obs wasn't ported over to the new public obs | 12:47 |
| slaine | X-Fade: any chance you could recreate my account ? | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | slaine: Sure, username at meego.com is slaine too? | 12:47 |
| slaine | yup | 12:47 |
| slaine | Thanks | 12:47 |
| X-Fade | slaine: Done. | 12:48 |
| slaine | Is it using SSO with meego.com ? | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | No, but it syncs accounts. | 12:48 |
| slaine | good enough | 12:48 |
| X-Fade | So same username/pw. | 12:48 |
| slaine | nod | 12:49 |
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| slaine | X-Fade: logged in, thanks | 13:00 |
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| aparna_ | isolinux.cfg is created when creating a livecd image. Does anyone know how we can get our own content into it | 13:09 |
| aparna_ | example, I want my own message instead of "Welcome to MeeGo" | 13:09 |
| lcuk | "This is sparta!" ?? | 13:10 |
| * lcuk likes the welcome message | 13:10 | |
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| sam_ | hi | 13:13 |
| aparna_ | lcuk any idea? | 13:13 |
| balor | Is there a fix yet for meego 1.1 not enabling wireless interfaces on the rt2860 i.e. EeePC 1000H | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | aparna_, don't know, not been asked before | 13:15 |
| lcuk | balor, specifically which bug number is related? | 13:16 |
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| lcuk | and since you mention fix I *do* assume you filed a bug to let the right people know there was a problem in the first place | 13:16 |
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| balor | lcuk: #8720 | 13:16 |
| lcuk | bug 8720 | 13:16 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8720 enh, Undecided, 1.1.90.0, margie.foster, ACCE, [FEA] Internationalization - User Interface accented chars in file names | 13:16 |
| balor | no #8702 | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | bug 8702 | 13:18 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 cri, High, 1.1.1, martin.xu, VERI FIXED, WiFi does not work (ralink / rt2860) | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | halor would it hurt you to write out <bug ...> ? | 13:18 |
| lcuk | and would it also hurt to check the bug yourself since it says "VERIFIED FIXED" | 13:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the target milestone.. | 13:19 |
| balor | timeless_mbp: sorry | 13:19 |
| balor | lcuk: It says verified fixed, but the drivers aren't even being loaded on my system at boot | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | this is a learning process, please learn, no need to apologize | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | are you running 1.1.1<- note the 3rd 1 | 13:20 |
| balor | timeless_mbp: /etc/issue says 1.1 only | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | then do you see the problem? | 13:20 |
| balor | Maybe it's wired time and zypper upgrade | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's fixed in something you aren't running | 13:20 |
| * balor thought he had upgraded 3 days ago | 13:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | just because a target exists doesn't mean it's released as a product | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | a bug can be fixed in IE9 | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but since IE9 hasn't shipped, you can easily not have it | 13:21 |
| balor | ah, so 1.1.1 isn't released yet? | 13:22 |
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| slaine | balor, 1.1.1 was not released as an image, but, I think the updates that where released prior to xmas make the current 1.1 + updates == 1.1.1 | 13:24 |
| balor | slaine: Should it change /etc/issue to reflect this? i.e. have I screwed up my update? | 13:24 |
| slaine | balor, I don't think so | 13:25 |
| balor | slaine: Ah. So how can I verify that I'm at 1.1.1 or 1.1 + all updates? | 13:25 |
| slaine | 1.1.2 is pending I think, based on some irc comments I saw yesterday on the -sdk channel | 13:25 |
| slaine | If there's no pending updates ;) | 13:25 |
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| slaine | Not sure why it wasn't pushed out properly as a point release formally. | 13:26 |
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| slaine | Perhaps there was a valid reason | 13:26 |
| balor | slaine: So then, if I've no pending updates, and I'm still seeing bug 8702 I'll re-report it | 13:26 |
| slaine | and we're waiting a some blocker bug to be squshed ??? | 13:26 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 cri, High, 1.1.1, martin.xu, VERI FIXED, WiFi does not work (ralink / rt2860) | 13:26 |
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| lcuk | gabor, \o/ @ datetime tweakage | 13:30 |
| lcuk | but bug 10110 is still an effective issue for other sudo requiring things | 13:31 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10110 nor, Medium, ---, passion.zhao, NEW, Files in /etc/sudoers.d/ are ignored | 13:31 |
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| slaine | balor, the bug report claims it was fixed for a pre 1.2 release, not the 1.1.1 update | 13:31 |
| slaine | So I'd shout up on the bug | 13:32 |
| balor | slaine: I'll wait for 1.2 before creating noise. | 13:32 |
| slaine | You can download pre-releases of 1.2 now | 13:32 |
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| balor | slaine: I can find the wiki page explaining release version numbering, but I'm being dumb and can't find the pre-release downloads...care to share a link? | 13:36 |
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| slaine | balor, latest one is here | 13:38 |
| slaine | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.11.20101221.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 13:38 |
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| slaine | Looks like they made one yesterday that wasn't finalized (missing image in the dir) | 13:38 |
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| * timeless_xchat frowns | 13:40 | |
| balor | presumably I can just upgrade by adding http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.13.20110104.1/netbook/ as a repo? | 13:40 |
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| slaine | Seems to be a problem with the latest kernels balor, so I'd hold off on an upgrade | 13:41 |
| balor | slaine: thanks. | 13:41 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/uYDhLQcQ | 13:42 |
| timeless_xchat | slaine: so err | 13:42 |
| hena | sigh, just as i got used to yum... | 13:42 |
| timeless_xchat | how does target relate to release in bugs.meego.com? | 13:42 |
| slaine | balor, that image I posted should have a kernel that's functioning correctly for your hardware, judging by the dates | 13:43 |
| hena | what's up with this zypper? | 13:43 |
| slaine | zypper is the Opensuse package manager for rpm package | 13:43 |
| slaine | as someone used to apt and yum it's yet another package manager to learn | 13:43 |
| slaine | I second your sigh | 13:43 |
| balor | slaine: I'll wait for the update as I just gave my image sized USB key to my mother in law this morning :O | 13:44 |
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| slaine | shame on you | 13:45 |
| balor | slaine: I thought I was being all nice. And work only give us 1/2 Gb keys....the state of UK higher education | 13:45 |
| slaine | They've had those in a store room box for the last 5 years and are trying to get rid of them | 13:46 |
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| Zuhaitz | Hi slaine, this days i tried to "find" you here. :-) | 13:54 |
| slaine | Huzzah | 13:55 |
| slaine | Was not using computers over the xmas break | 13:55 |
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| slaine | End of an Era, I just logged out of the #moblin channel and removed it from my autojoin list | 13:58 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: hey, I was asking you about login yesterday? I tested it out and you were right, it isn't working on cmdline at firstboot. Somehow it doesn't work until X starts. | 13:58 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: condolences or congradulations? | 13:58 |
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| slaine | magius_pendragon: Yeah, figured as much. Where did you setup your fingerprint auth daemon to launch ? | 13:59 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: afaik, it's only hooked up to pam | 13:59 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: I had the strange experience yesterday that while uxlaunch was failing (it kept crashing and restarting), it would sporadically work, but now that X is launching correctly, it doesn't work until after | 14:00 |
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| slaine | Check out what the meego session xinit file is doing | 14:03 |
| magius_pendragon | where's that live? | 14:03 |
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| hena | slaine, seems like your 1.1 wifi instructions and wl-foo.rpm are a bit outdated | 14:06 |
| slaine | Nod, I've an update going up today | 14:07 |
| slaine | they bumped the version over xmas | 14:07 |
| slaine | I'd hoped to do it last night but didn't get time | 14:08 |
| Zuhaitz | When meego will have repositories? | 14:09 |
| lcuk | slaine, you are Glen aren't you? for the sanity of others could you perhaps set the "Real name" field in your irc client? | 14:10 |
| slaine | lcuk, sure | 14:10 |
| slaine | am I being confused with some other slaine, some kind of Atomic Slaine ? | 14:10 |
| hbragge | slaine: btw, with the newest driver i finally got my wifi working on hp mini 5101 + meego1.1 | 14:11 |
| lcuk | no, I just couldn't quite recall, it happens a lot between real/irc nicks and I tend to look at the real name field to try and work out for myself ;) | 14:11 |
| slaine | lcuk, my real name is set actually | 14:11 |
| hbragge | slaine: so at least any 5101 users will appreciate the update i think :) | 14:12 |
| gabor | lcuk: please check the last comment of this bug : 11281 | 14:12 |
| slaine | hbragge: that's great | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | gabor, bug 11281 you mean (if you say "bug xxxxx" it will bring up info and a link! | 14:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11281 nor, Medium, ---, michael.leibowitz, ASSI, datetime applet can't set date or time | 14:12 |
| gabor | lcuk: ok | 14:13 |
| lcuk | and yes gabor, that was why I mentioned, however the underlying problem with the other bug still exists and will catch other apps/packages | 14:13 |
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| gabor | ok, ty, I don't have other component to use sudoers and it was only a temporary solution to set date&time | 14:15 |
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| * lcuk nods | 14:15 | |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: where would I find the xinit? | 14:19 |
| slaine | rpm -ql meego-session or whatever the package is called | 14:19 |
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| Zuhaitz | When meego will have repositories? | 14:20 |
| slaine | Zuhaitz: It already has repositories, thats how you install software and apply updates | 14:21 |
| slaine | What exactly are you wanting | 14:21 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: doesn't exist. only -session packages are xfce and gnome, neither of which are installed | 14:24 |
| slaine | could possibly still be called moblin | 14:24 |
| magius_pendragon | there's a user-skel | 14:25 |
| slaine | have my mini9 here, I'll check | 14:25 |
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| slaine | magius_pendragon: looks like that's changed since the moblin days | 14:28 |
| magius_pendragon | okay | 14:28 |
| slaine | Have you tried adding something to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and seeing if it runs ? | 14:29 |
| magius_pendragon | what would I run? :p | 14:29 |
| slaine | could get it to touch a file in /tmp | 14:30 |
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| magius_pendragon | to what end? | 14:31 |
| Zuhaitz | slaine, Is posible to instsall codecs with repositories? | 14:31 |
| slaine | If the codecs you want are in the repositories then yes | 14:31 |
| slaine | At the moment, the repositories only include free to use codecs as it's not legal to redistribute certain ones | 14:32 |
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| Zuhaitz | slaine, The are not "contrib" and "non-free" codecs as in ubuntu and debian? | 14:35 |
| Zuhaitz | Repositories, I mean, sorry | 14:36 |
| slaine | There's a non-free one, but it doesn't have any codecs in there and there's no equivilant just yet | 14:37 |
| slaine | There's a community project to add this missing area but it's not ready yet | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | >> afk | 14:37 |
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| Zuhaitz | slaine, Ok, thanks | 14:38 |
| Zuhaitz | Very kind :) | 14:38 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: I can touch a file | 14:43 |
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| slaine | magius_pendragon: you might be able to manually start the appropriate pam server then in rc.local | 14:43 |
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| Zuhaitz | slaine, Is there a way to install codecs without a package? | 14:46 |
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| Zuhaitz | Something like putting them in a /usr/share/mplayer/codecs like in other linux distros | 14:47 |
| Zuhaitz | Why I should want to use Meego, if I cant view videos and reproducing mp3... | 14:47 |
| slaine | There is a set of codecs that you can legally buy from fluendo | 14:47 |
| slaine | There's also a free fluendo mp3 codec pack | 14:47 |
| Zuhaitz | Ah, I dindt know that | 14:47 |
| slaine | MeeGo is making a reference platform for OEMs | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | I understand | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | :-) | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | The problem is that I cant use my wifi... | 14:48 |
| slaine | OEMs will build on that and provide their own extra repo's for things like codecs etc. | 14:48 |
| slaine | What's the wifi ? | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | I tried to install it and didnt work | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | I have an Hp mini 5102 | 14:48 |
| Zuhaitz | 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 01) | 14:49 |
| Zuhaitz | Doesnt work | 14:49 |
| slaine | I'll give you a shout in about an hour, I'm just testing my latest rpm | 14:49 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: I've been trying to look around, but I've no idea what you mean by start pam server. | 15:04 |
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| slaine | Whatever process starts and handles the fingerprint auth modules | 15:05 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: there isn't one. It's just a pam module | 15:05 |
| slaine | and pam modules don't just run themselves | 15:05 |
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| w00t_ | fabo: does MeeGo provided QtMobility's bearer management stuff yet? can't see any mention of it in the .spec? | 15:09 |
| w00t_ | *MeeGo's provided QtMobility | 15:09 |
| fabo | w00t_: it's provided by Qt (Qt Network >= 4.7.0) | 15:10 |
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| w00t_ | fabo: hm. but isn't it a seperate library? my project is trying to -lQtBearer, which it can't find | 15:10 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: then I've no idea what's going on. All the reading I've done says that a pam-aware application just looks at pam. Nothing about starting a service | 15:11 |
| slaine | pam aware application needs to handle the login, that might be mingetty or something | 15:12 |
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| fabo | w00t_: it's a plugin in Qt and I guess you need to link against QtNetwork is this case | 15:12 |
| fabo | in this case | 15:12 |
| w00t_ | fabo: ok, let's try :) | 15:12 |
| fabo | w00t_: it's lpotter area | 15:13 |
| * w00t_ will enjoy pestering him then | 15:14 | |
| fabo | hehe | 15:14 |
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| w00t_ | fabo: thanks again for your help :) | 15:14 |
| fabo | np | 15:15 |
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| Paddy_NI | Is there any proper Meego 1.1 (chrome) torrents available? | 15:31 |
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| sturvey | Anyone know how to debug issues with xdg autostart? It doesn't seem to log anything anywhere! | 15:36 |
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| Sage | sturvey: check /var/log/uxlaunch.log | 15:42 |
| sturvey | Sage: Doesn't exists. Though it didn't sound familiar. | 15:43 |
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| Sage | in meego uxlaunch reads the /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop files and the log should be in /var/log/uxlaunch.log | 15:46 |
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| sturvey | Sage: let me go touch it and see if that prompts it to log. | 15:46 |
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| sturvey | Sage: Nope. There's nothing in that log. It must be running: tracker-miner-fs is running and that sits in /etc/xdg/autostart | 15:50 |
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| Sage | sturvey: check if you have uxlaunch running on your system | 15:52 |
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| sturvey | Sage: Not running. But I thought it launched and quit once it had done its business anyway. | 15:53 |
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| sturvey | Sage: Still. A further discovery: I don't even have uxlaunch on this device! | 15:53 |
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| Sage | sturvey: what meego image is it? :) | 15:56 |
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| sturvey | Sage: Good question. It's actually some kind of butchered Maemo => Meego transition hybrid. | 15:57 |
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| Sage | ah.. well then you should ask from the person that made that image | 15:58 |
| sturvey | Sage: Yeah. I think I've just found a contact here. Trouble is it's not clear what's legacy and what actually works! Thanks for the help though. | 15:59 |
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| harbaum | What does this mean: "The MeeGo platform libraries and components are not part of the MeeGo API and are discouraged for general use. " | 16:12 |
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| harbaum | Is writing meegotouch apps a bad idea? | 16:13 |
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| v_zaitsev | it seems to be hinting that way | 16:13 |
| v_zaitsev | i don't completely understand the naming... seems like "Platform API's" is an alias for "not recommended API's" | 16:14 |
| araujo | harbaum, it is recommended to use QML instead for new development | 16:14 |
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| harbaum | araujo: The qt omponents required for that don't even compile for ubuntu maverick as it seems: http://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2010/10/fresh-from-oven-qt-extras-for-ubuntu.html | 16:15 |
| araujo | and? :P | 16:16 |
| harbaum | And you can't write software if the libs don't compile | 16:16 |
| w00t_ | harbaum: that doesn't mention anything about them not building that I see | 16:17 |
| araujo | harbaum, this is meego , not ubuntu | 16:17 |
| w00t_ | it's not even about building them, actually | 16:17 |
| araujo | best way to develop meego apps right now is using the Meego SDK | 16:17 |
| w00t_ | it's "have some prebuilt packages" | 16:17 |
| araujo | which brings qt quick, all you need to start developing apps, QML included | 16:18 |
| * araujo greets w00t_ | 16:18 | |
| w00t_ | o/ | 16:18 |
| harbaum | w00t_: And they aren't there, because they don't compile anymore | 16:18 |
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| w00t_ | aren't where? | 16:18 |
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| harbaum | in the ppa mentioned there | 16:19 |
| w00t_ | qt-components 1.0~git20101213-1fn1~maverickGnuton (2010-12-17) | 16:19 |
| w00t_ | qt-components 1.0~git20101012-1fn2~lucid3Gnuton (2010-10-26) | 16:19 |
| w00t_ | looks like they are to me | 16:19 |
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| harbaum | And where does the "build failed" on https://launchpad.net/~forumnokia/+archive/fn-ppa come from? | 16:19 |
| harbaum | And it's actually not installable from the ppa. Tried a few hours ago | 16:20 |
| w00t_ | Errors were encountered while processing: | 16:20 |
| w00t_ | libmeegotouch-bin | 16:20 |
| v_zaitsev | seems to me like building the latest version failed 3 weeks ago but the binaries for a previous version that built fine, are available ? | 16:21 |
| w00t_ | yup | 16:21 |
| w00t_ | dpkg: error processing libmeegotouch-bin (--purge): | 16:22 |
| w00t_ | subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 127 | 16:22 |
| w00t_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libmeegotouch-bin.postrm: 28: gconftool-2: not found | 16:22 |
| w00t_ | and there's why it failed | 16:22 |
| w00t_ | so, trivial to fix | 16:22 |
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| harbaum | w00t_: Who can fix that? Who has write access to this? | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | whoever made the packaging for it? | 16:25 |
| w00t_ | harbaum: any of the forum nokia people I suppose (I don't know them) | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | gnuton -> Antonio. | 16:26 |
| harbaum | Ok, let me ask the other way round: If this is broken and nobody is using this (otherwise people would probably have fixed it). What _is_ the wy to go? | 16:26 |
| w00t_ | i'd personally try contacting them and asking them if they know it's broken first | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | talk to the packager | 16:27 |
| w00t_ | it has been a pretty slow period | 16:27 |
| slaine | Zuhaitz: right, I've updated my Wifi guide for the latest Broadcom drivers | 16:27 |
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| slaine | hena: wifi guide updated, not sure you where looking for it or just commenting | 16:28 |
| Zuhaitz | slaine, Can you paste the web please? | 16:28 |
| Zuhaitz | Yes, looking | 16:29 |
| slaine | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html | 16:29 |
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| Zuhaitz | :D | 16:31 |
| hena | slaine: seems like the link for wl.foo.rpm is not working | 16:31 |
| hena | 404 | 16:31 |
| slaine | Hmmm | 16:31 |
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| slaine | hena: Zuhaitz, sorted, cut'n'paste error | 16:33 |
| hena | perfect | 16:34 |
| hena | and works too ;) | 16:35 |
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| slaine | hena: excellent | 16:38 |
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| Paddy_NI | How is mobile broadband support going in meego? | 16:39 |
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| * slaine gets a coffee and puts on some Zappa to wake up | 17:43 | |
| mwichmann | the dead one? how you going to wake him up? | 17:44 |
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| berndhs | mwichmann: if you play Zappa loud enough, dead people wake up | 17:48 |
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| slaine | hardy har har | 17:53 |
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| slaine | hena, I found a zypper cheat sheet once, let me see | 17:53 |
| slaine | http://en.opensuse.org/images/1/17/Zypper-cheat-sheet-1.pdf | 17:53 |
| slaine | handy | 17:53 |
| hena | cool, thanks | 17:54 |
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| hena | sigh | 17:55 |
| hena | i really dislike this so far | 17:55 |
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| hena | everything's just one big "why" | 17:56 |
| slaine | lol | 17:56 |
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| CosmoHill | my exam went very well :) | 18:37 |
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| Bostik | congrats(?) | 18:38 |
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| Mek | hmm, seems libmeegotouch-qtstyle (what makes qwidget based qt application sort of fit in with meegotouch) only exists in 1.1, but got removed for 1.2/current... | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it existed for 1.1? thought it never worked properly in meego :) | 18:57 |
| Mek | it does exist in meego core 1.1... | 18:57 |
| Mek | but yeah, it doesn't reall work properly :) | 18:58 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: I see you have some sort of 'meegotouch-qt-style-*.rpm' at http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch/, but I can't find any source-rpms or spec files for that package anywhere, do you know where I might find such a file? :) | 19:04 |
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| heliocastro | Mek: A minute | 19:04 |
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| hena | there's one better thing at least on this zypper than apt | 19:06 |
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| hena | didn't feel like searching for the correct package so installed libX*-devel :D | 19:06 |
| Bostik | ah yes, wildcard install | 19:07 |
| heliocastro | Mek: no more qt-style, new packages obsoleted this | 19:07 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: what new packages? :) | 19:08 |
| heliocastro | Mek: Download the package structure in libmeegotouch.tar.bz2 | 19:08 |
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| heliocastro | You have the spec and how to download sources | 19:08 |
| heliocastro | Mek: I can build only fedora 64 bits at home | 19:09 |
| heliocastro | Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch | 19:09 |
| heliocastro | Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/libmeegotouch.tar.bz2 | 19:09 |
| heliocastro | i will remove the old dir | 19:09 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: but does that actually include the qt-style? as in git it got moved out of libmeegotouch into a seperate repository, and I can only find rpm source packages for libmeegotouch including the old style, or libmeegotouch without it at all... | 19:10 |
| heliocastro | Mek: No, i not package style anymore | 19:11 |
| heliocastro | Do you need it ? I can make a rpm spec | 19:11 |
| Mek | well, it seems to be the only way to get a normal qt application sort of look okay in te handset ux, so yes, that would be very nice | 19:11 |
| heliocastro | Ok, give 30 minutes | 19:12 |
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| Mek | great | 19:12 |
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| hena | this is gonna take ages before i can play go with meego... | 19:17 |
| hena | need to do a quick hack to get my fix | 19:17 |
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| hena | any familiar with qt, how big a task would it be in general to bump up a qt3 program to qt4? | 19:19 |
| heliocastro | hena: Mediium to hard | 19:20 |
| heliocastro | hena: Included script helped you with basics, but a little knowledge beyond beginners is needed on both qt's | 19:21 |
| heliocastro | and this makes things difficult | 19:21 |
| heliocastro | Mek: Will take a little more because my ine is slow as hell and i need recompile meegotouch | 19:21 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: ah okay, no problem; in half an hour I'll probably be having lunch anyway :) | 19:22 |
| hena | well, the alternative is going from gtk to qt | 19:22 |
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| hena | which i prefer, but was wondering if i could get something working faster going from 3 to 4 | 19:23 |
| heliocastro | hena: Way more complex than, since is completly different way of thinking | 19:23 |
| heliocastro | Yes, compared to gtk, will be way faster | 19:23 |
| heliocastro | I passed for all possible situations | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | HNY, Dawn | 19:50 |
| DawnFoster | hey RST38h | 19:50 |
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| DawnFoster | TSG meeting for today is cancelled for anyone who was planning to attend. | 20:01 |
| DawnFoster | No agenda items = no meeting :) | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i actually thought TSG was next week :) | 20:15 |
| Paddy_NI | Stskeeps: Is it possible to use the Meego UI on other distros? | 20:16 |
| Paddy_NI | woops | 20:16 |
| Paddy_NI | meant that for the channel | 20:16 |
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| Paddy_NI | The lack of mobile broadband support is preventing me from using meego itself | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Paddy_NI: what specific problem do you have? | 20:18 |
| Paddy_NI | Getting the Meego UI on another distro.. not particularly specific | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | Paddy_NI: it is possible, yes, some has done, but it isn't meego, so can't assume meego apps will work on there | 20:20 |
| Paddy_NI | Stskeeps: well I know meego has its own integration for banshee and chrome, but I could get away with using my regular apps | 20:21 |
| Paddy_NI | I would imagine so anyway | 20:21 |
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| Paddy_NI | using chakra which is a kde specific distro based on arch | 20:22 |
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| adeus | There wasn't a MeeGo group in last.fm, so I created one | 20:27 |
| adeus | http://www.last.fm/group/MeeGo | 20:27 |
| adeus | welcome! | 20:27 |
| dm8tbr | what does MeeGo music sound like? | 20:28 |
| hena | it's like nokia tune, but free | 20:28 |
| adeus | or whatever you listen to | 20:28 |
| pierce | so what do groups do in lastfm? | 20:28 |
| Paddy_NI | pierce: Its just a social "web 2.0" thing :P | 20:29 |
| adeus | nothing except spy on what other users listen to | 20:29 |
| pierce | been using it to play music for maybe 6 years now, never looked into using it like a social network | 20:29 |
| andre__ | create a vague feeling of having at least something to share? ;-) | 20:29 |
| Paddy_NI | I hate facebook, my girlfiend put me on it ;-( | 20:29 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: oh good - then you aren't disappointed that it's cancelled :) | 20:30 |
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| adeus | pierce: it has been a good source to find new bands that have a common interest | 20:30 |
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| pierce | I always thought it would be fun if it gave more alerts of when music you like is coming to town, and tools for bands to do some market research and see where they should go next etc | 20:31 |
| Paddy_NI | pierce: Would not be out of place anyway | 20:32 |
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| Paddy_NI | Is it apple who publish new artists music and handle promotion/advertising and all that for you | 20:33 |
| Paddy_NI | I wonder at what cost though? | 20:33 |
| hena | one thing meego is missing is bash-completion | 20:33 |
| hena | so hard to live without it once used to it | 20:33 |
| Paddy_NI | hena: is that not something you can enable | 20:33 |
| hena | well, still filling packages for zypper and whatnot is a bit more | 20:33 |
| hena | not terribly huge task but requires work anyways | 20:34 |
| Paddy_NI | I'm on Chakra, pacman does not seem to support tab-completion either | 20:34 |
| markatto | Paddy_NI: nope it doesn't | 20:34 |
| Paddy_NI | but meh "pacman Syu" | 20:34 |
| Paddy_NI | rather -Syu | 20:35 |
| Paddy_NI | handy | 20:35 |
| markatto | Paddy_NI: you could probably write a zsh completion for it | 20:35 |
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| Paddy_NI | markatto: for packages? | 20:35 |
| hena | altho the completion could be quite slow on lesser hardware, especially on handsets | 20:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Just was talking to Rikki Kite, publisher of _Smart Developer_ magazine. Editorial deadline for next issue is mid-Feb. Having some articles on MeeGo in time for the May conference would be cool. _Smart Developer_ comes from the German _Linux Magazine_ folks and is quite well-done given it has had only one issue. Hey thiago, how 'bout writing something? | 20:36 |
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| Paddy_NI | Netbook here so not a good idea | 20:36 |
| Paddy_NI | although oddly unity was pretty decent when I had it on | 20:36 |
| Paddy_NI | did not last though ;-) | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: suggest on meego-dev perhaps? I'm sure there's people interested in helping | 20:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, will do. Dinna know that there was a meego-dev. | 20:38 |
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| Stskeeps | meego-dev mailing list :) | 20:40 |
| mwichmann | -community might be better? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, but if you want developers to write articles? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, start out at -community, put it together well and then ask in a nice way, i guess | 20:41 |
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| sivang_ideapad | hi all | 20:49 |
| sivang_ideapad | how can I find out why my ideapad got all of the sudden very slow with meego on it? | 20:49 |
| sivang_ideapad | also, is zypper update enough to know your on the latest stable release with all updates inside? | 20:50 |
| * sivang_ideapad goes to disable the vkeyboard when in focus, as this is not really usable as a touch scheme | 20:50 | |
| sivang_ideapad | other than that, has anyone managed to enable rotation of the screen for book reading for example? | 20:54 |
| heliocastro | Mek: Start here > http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/mtf/ | 20:54 |
| heliocastro | Mek: Compile this two and i ḿ finishing qt-style | 20:54 |
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| * sivang_ideapad wonders if the fact the back cover blocked stops it from being properly cooled | 21:02 | |
| sivang_ideapad | (the vent seems to be on the side though) | 21:02 |
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| Mek | heliocastro: thanks | 21:05 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, I have seen kseriod consume vast amounts of CPU on ideapad, have you used a shell and looked with "top" to see what remains at top of list eating CPU ? (look at TIME+ column increasing) | 21:06 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, maybe kseriod is keyboard/touchscreen/something driver function ? | 21:06 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: good idea, let me take a look. Also Chrome became as slow to almost be unusable | 21:08 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: tab redraw takes ages like | 21:09 |
| mwichmann | I've seen really dubious performance too (just got it up) | 21:10 |
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| mwichmann | kseriod bursts, but is almost never below 5% | 21:12 |
| mwichmann | also find out some interesting things from powertop | 21:12 |
| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: ah, okay, then at least its not just me :) | 21:12 |
| sivang_ideapad | when a youtube flv is playing, the rest of the system is close to unusable | 21:12 |
| sivang_ideapad | as well | 21:12 |
| sivang_ideapad | inside chormium | 21:12 |
| sivang_ideapad | can't see this kseriod | 21:13 |
| mwichmann | well, that's part of why flash is so horrid, and should be banned :) | 21:13 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: has no issue running on my other netbook, but that one's got nvidia | 21:13 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, I believe kseriod is a kernel thread, so could not strace to see what it is doing, but 5% of total CPU is a awful lot for human interface input processing (if that is what it is doing), for me kseriod was eating CPU over hours for no obvious reason, maybe it is some suspend/resume bug interaction | 21:13 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: but much weaker CPU, e.g. first gen atom | 21:13 |
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| mwichmann | the k* procs are generally kernel threads, yes | 21:14 |
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| sivang_ideapad | odin_: sounds like "kernel serial io daemon" | 21:14 |
| mwichmann | I'm finding this less snappy than an acer with (ahem) ubuntu by a long ways | 21:14 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: yes, same here only ubuntu is on MUCH weaker atom | 21:14 |
| mwichmann | I think my acer is only "somewhat slower", not "much" | 21:15 |
| sivang_ideapad | okay, just wanted to make sure I'm not a performance facist :) | 21:15 |
| sivang_ideapad | I did update last night, and I think the kernel got upgraded | 21:16 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, yes and maybe the touchscreen is serial I/O based ? or not what else is on stock ideapad + MeeGo 1.1 | 21:16 |
| mwichmann | startup times on things seem poor, too bad there's not an ssd in there :) | 21:16 |
| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: oh, so it used to boot up much faster before the upgrade :/ | 21:16 |
| * sivang_ideapad wished he could undo the upgrade | 21:16 | |
| mwichmann | not boot so much, program launch I meant | 21:17 |
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| mwichmann | non-scientific, just a reaction | 21:17 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: yes, I understand | 21:17 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: I think that when you'll upgrade you wont' see this kseriod anymore | 21:17 |
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| sivang_ideapad | odin_: ^ | 21:18 |
| mwichmann | upgrade to...? (so far stock 1.1/upgrades, no 1.1.80 repos, etc.) | 21:18 |
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| sivang_ideapad | we have to fix the wakeup from sleep bug | 21:19 |
| sivang_ideapad | I got so ued to that on ubuntu.. | 21:19 |
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| sivang_ideapad | e.g. make it work without the user thinking what he is actually doing while closing the leed | 21:19 |
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| sivang_ideapad | I mean, having to think on what he is doing or how not to open and close the leed too quickly | 21:21 |
| mwichmann | guess I'm going to have to go bugzilla digging, see if I need to file bugs on any of this | 21:21 |
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| sivang_ideapad | mwichmann: I guess | 21:22 |
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| sivang_ideapad | odin_: any idea how I switch to trunk:release btw? I remember you tellin gme this some time back, but I need to dig irclogs, maybe you recall it off hand? | 21:25 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, switch as in using 'osc' ? or switch as in using 'git' (although are colons not allowed) ? | 21:27 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: osc, is obs? | 21:27 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: e.g. where repos are? | 21:27 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, yes the obs command line tool | 21:28 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, oh to install a package from another repo ? like zypper addrepo | 21:28 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: afterwhich when I zypper refresh and update i get latest released updates? | 21:28 |
| sivang_ideapad | odin_: well, just to be on the repo that has latest builds for current "release" | 21:29 |
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| heliocastro | Mek: http://people.collabora.co.uk/~helio/mtf/meegotouch-qt-style-0.20.63-1.fc14.src.rpm | 21:30 |
| heliocastro | Mek: You own me a beer in some of the next conferences :-P | 21:30 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, ok understand ... try ... zypper ar http://newrepo.foobar.org/path/project:/package/arch "My Label"; zypper ref; zypper pa -r "My Label" ? | 21:30 |
| odin_ | sivang_ideapad, install from it with: zypper in -r "My Label" package-name-1.2.3.x86_64 | 21:32 |
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| * heliocastro forgot how easy is to make rpm packages against the piece of shit that is ,ultiples files for debian | 21:34 | |
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| Mek | heliocastro: definitely :) | 21:54 |
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| Wowing | Try good world of warcrafthttp://bestwow.no-ip.biz | 22:32 |
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| alterego | Something very strage about meego.com/user/ | 22:49 |
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| DawnFoster | alterego: strange in what way? | 22:55 |
| alterego | In that I seem to have two profiles on there. | 22:56 |
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| DawnFoster | not sure what you mean by 2 profiles | 22:57 |
| alterego | Well, I have my original account /user/57 | 22:57 |
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| alterego | Then I seem to have another profile with the biography I wrote for conference2010.meego.com | 22:58 |
| alterego | /usr/11946 | 22:58 |
| alterego | /user/11946 ;) | 22:58 |
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| DawnFoster | aha, I'm guessing that when you signed up for the meego conference, you accidentally signed up for a new account, too | 22:58 |
| alterego | Hrm, oh. | 22:58 |
| DawnFoster | instead of being logged into your original one | 22:58 |
| DawnFoster | the workflow on that process was *terrible* | 22:59 |
| DawnFoster | and something we're fixing for the May conference | 22:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, so much so I didn't get to go :( | 22:59 |
| DawnFoster | we're going to overhaul the registration process to make it easier | 22:59 |
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| alterego | And May is more of a corporate oriented event afair | 23:00 |
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| alterego | I was mainly interested in the october conference to meet all the maemoers I've never bet but been talking to for 6 years and I also kinda wanted to do one of the Qt certs too :) | 23:00 |
| alterego | But never mind ^.^ | 23:00 |
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| hena | sigh | 23:22 |
| hena | i'm so freakin' lost with my 9 screen windows and server with one of them using zypper | 23:23 |
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| iztech | hey guys can you run gps on tablet with meego, if so which tablet has it been tested on | 23:41 |
| iztech | is anyone showing anything at CES? | 23:43 |
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| haroun | Anyone knows , whether Moorsetown kernel supports capacitive touchscreen driver ? if 's' can you pls point me the location ? | 23:58 |
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