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| timeless_mbp | eGetin: on os x, you can get the settings out of settings | 00:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | same for windows | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (more or less) | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | so just configure your connection on one of those first | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | then copy over to meego | 00:08 |
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| eGetin | timeless_mbp: the problem is, I don't know where to put those settings | 00:24 |
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| MrPingouin | hello world | 02:32 |
| Venemo | hello MrPingouin | 02:32 |
| MrPingouin | happy new year | 02:33 |
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| CosmoHill | that was nice | 02:35 |
| Venemo | xD | 02:35 |
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| Guest34455 | is this the place to ask for assistance installing meego? | 02:56 |
| xnox | Where is meego buildservice located at? I can't find any project which has packages on build.pub.meego.com | 02:57 |
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| berndhs | xnox: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public | 02:59 |
| Guest34455 | should yum be installed by default? | 03:00 |
| berndhs | Guest34455: zypper | 03:00 |
| berndhs | berndhs: does the same things | 03:01 |
| Guest34455 | ok so I'm trying to install the broadcom wireless driver following instructions from here: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 03:01 |
| xnox | berndhs, yeap but I can't seem to actually see all the packages which are part of e.g. meego_1.1_core and etc. as in analogy to openSUSE:Factory on "the obs" | 03:01 |
| berndhs | xnox: you want all ? you said "any" :) | 03:02 |
| xnox | berndhs, I'm just starting out =) so I can't "login" to meego-obs yet =) | 03:03 |
| xnox | berndhs, but yeah I want to see what's in it *all* =) | 03:03 |
| berndhs | you need to ask here during times when people in england are awake | 03:03 |
| xnox | would they let me in just like that? I promise to do no evil! | 03:04 |
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| berndhs | you have to tell them what you're up to, basically you can't do closed source dev on the pub service | 03:05 |
| xnox | berndhs, =) obviously =) I want to contribute to MeeGo ;-) | 03:05 |
| xnox | core & netbook | 03:05 |
| berndhs | that sounds good | 03:05 |
| berndhs | but those slackers sleep on weekend nights | 03:06 |
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| xnox | well =) everyone deserves holidays from time to time ;-) | 03:07 |
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| nazgee | does anyone has an idea what is happening with http://download.obs.maemo.org ? I am trying to access Harbaum's personal repos from there, but it seems that the whole service is dead | 03:11 |
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| xnox | berndhs, are you community dev? or do you have association with nokia/intel/redhat/novell/etc? | 03:13 |
| berndhs | i'm just me, they don't pay me anything | 03:14 |
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| xnox | berndhs, kk =) | 03:15 |
| * xnox too | 03:15 | |
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| berndhs | i hate CSS and style sheets, just fail quietly if anything is wrong | 03:28 |
| nazgee | Strange... Despite using xorg-x11-fbdev-sgx is used instead of -fbdev, I am still getting /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so- I thoutght I'd get something like fbdev-sgx.ko or sth like that. | 03:30 |
| nazgee | Sad thing is, that xorg is not starting, because [ 100.148] (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO succeeded but modified mode | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | that old chestnut | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | "succeeded but modified mode" can mean just about anything | 03:31 |
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| nazgee | that is the problem ;] | 03:32 |
| ali1234 | what it probably means is that the framebuffer can't do the mode you're asking for, so it gave you a different one... but then X rejected it | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | so try asking for a different mode | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | perhaps a different colour depth | 03:34 |
| nazgee | I've just noticed that I've said something even more stupid than usual, on 02:30:25. What I meant is: "I expected fbdev-sgx_drv.so, instead of fbdev_drv.so" | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah, i realised that | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | but i think it's just a modified version of fbdev, not a whole different driver | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | in fact it may not even be using a different version of that .so - the sgx parts might be somewhere else... like in the the actual Xfbdev | 03:37 |
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| nazgee | ali1234: have already tried a couple of resolutions, will try color depth now, but I am affraid it is something else, as I've been trying to run beagleboard without garbled fonts on a custom kernel, and probably messed something up when applying patches... | 03:37 |
| ali1234 | well the error happens like this: | 03:37 |
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| ali1234 | you tell Xorg a screenmode, it builds a VSCREENINFO of that screenmode, then it passes it to /dev/fbX | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | the /dev/fbX driver checks it and if it's not valid it tries to fix it by changing it, then it passes it back to X | 03:38 |
| ali1234 | it can also reject it entirely, but it didn't do that | 03:39 |
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| ali1234 | but the "modified" part is done by the kernel driver, not X | 03:39 |
| ali1234 | rather, it's done as a result of calling that IOCTL on the /dev/fbX | 03:39 |
| nazgee | the problem is to verify what went wrong ;] I could try to do some foolig around with this ioctl to see what happens there, but it's not what i am really into... | 03:40 |
| ali1234 | calling an ioctl is quite easy, as is building the vscreeninfo - you could do it in a few lines of C | 03:40 |
| ali1234 | but i suspect it is a color depth issue | 03:41 |
| nazgee | i know, I but I was thinking about kernel-side | 03:41 |
| nazgee | ok | 03:41 |
| ali1234 | i just have a feeling, dunno why | 03:41 |
| nazgee | let's give color depth a shot | 03:41 |
| ali1234 | you could add debugging code to the kernel driver if you have source for it... i'm not familiar with sgx modules really, just other random generic framebuffer drivers | 03:42 |
| ali1234 | so i can't really give any help directly related to sgx | 03:42 |
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| ali1234 | course, if it was working before with a different kernel... then probably your custom kernel is broken... | 03:43 |
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| Guest34455 | has anybody been able to successfully get the broadcom wireless working with meego? | 03:44 |
| nazgee | ali1234: thanks anyway. I'll give it a closer look, though it is strange- as beagleboard should work flawlessly out of the box (and people say it does) | 03:44 |
| nazgee | hence I believe it can be "my fault" | 03:44 |
| jonnor | Guest34455: Yes. Just ask your question/state your problem. | 03:45 |
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| Guest34455 | first part.. wifi not show after install. | 03:46 |
| Guest34455 | if i use ubuntu wifi works fine | 03:46 |
| Guest34455 | i've installed rpmdevtools, pattern:development-tools, and kernel-netbook-devel | 03:47 |
| jonnor | Guest34455: this is most likely expected, as stock Meego does not ship propritary drivers. | 03:47 |
| Guest34455 | tried running script to pull down broadcom driver and build an rpm | 03:47 |
| Guest34455 | ok. any suggestions? | 03:48 |
| Guest34455 | i've gone to the broadcom site and download zip with driver but not sure what to do next | 03:48 |
| jonnor | Guest34455: Yes, see http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_FAQ and http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 03:49 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:49 |
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| Guest34455 | yes i checked out slaine's blog but the driver version has changed and his script no longer works | 03:50 |
| berndhs | Guest34455: this seems really familiar, maybe the resolution is in the IRC log | 03:51 |
| Guest34455 | ok. sorry to be a total n00b but where would i find that? | 03:52 |
| berndhs | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ | 03:52 |
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| Guest34455 | thanks | 03:53 |
| berndhs | at least thats what the chat title says, haven't tried it myself :) | 03:53 |
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| nazgee | ali1234: 16/24/32 bpp behave the same. crap. | 03:56 |
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| Guest34455 | haha berndhs thanks | 03:59 |
| ali1234 | nazgee: it's possible that rather than fail outright, the fbdev is just returning an invalid mode that can never work. like 0x0 pixels or something | 04:01 |
| ali1234 | as for why... that could be anything | 04:01 |
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| Guest34455 | thanks jonnor and berndhs for your help, my meego wifi issues now resolved | 04:34 |
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| Termana | morning | 07:48 |
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| icesword | hi | 09:52 |
| icesword | anyone using ovi maps? | 09:52 |
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| Cotulla | hello | 09:53 |
| zinit | happy newyear | 09:54 |
| Cotulla | thanks | 09:54 |
| Cotulla | u too | 09:54 |
| Cotulla | I am working under Meego port to LEO | 09:54 |
| icesword | do you guys use ovi nap 3.06? | 09:54 |
| zinit | got back from rome yesterday... 10 days is not enough in that city... | 09:55 |
| icesword | map | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Cotulla: LEO? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | icesword: we don't really deal with ovi maps here | 09:57 |
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| icesword | is there a nokia channel? | 10:02 |
| Cotulla | yes HTC HD2 == LEO | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:03 |
| Cotulla | u good in megoo? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | decently | 10:05 |
| Cotulla | nice | 10:05 |
| Cotulla | can u answer few questions? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | you can try to ask and if i can't, maybe someone else can | 10:06 |
| Cotulla | are there any other useful logs, except kernel's dmesg? (android have logcat for example, which helps a lot of) | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | /var/log/ :) | 10:07 |
| Cotulla | hm is it possible to check which graphical drivers used now ? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | /var/log/uxlaunch.log and /home/meego/.xsession-errors are my prime source of info | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 10:08 |
| Cotulla | nice, let me dump | 10:08 |
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| Cotulla | are there way to execute different meego applications via command line? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | like? | 10:10 |
| Cotulla | I have access to shell from computer | 10:11 |
| Cotulla | and wants to run people for example | 10:11 |
| Cotulla | is it possible? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | install openssh-server, http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_With_The_Aava#Add_the_Ability_to_.27screen.27_in | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | what does the HD2 run normally? windows mobile? | 10:15 |
| Cotulla | yes | 10:15 |
| Cotulla | but now running Android well | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:15 |
| Cotulla | are u porting meego to some device too? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'm the nokia n900 hardware adaptation maintainer | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:16 |
| Cotulla | hm nice | 10:16 |
| Cotulla | now system boots, there 4 icons at bottom | 10:17 |
| Cotulla | but most of them not working... | 10:17 |
| Cotulla | is it normal? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, since you don't have GLES2 a lot of things are possibe | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | check the logs | 10:17 |
| Cotulla | ok wait | 10:19 |
| Cotulla | hm nothing... can u look to logs? | 10:22 |
| Cotulla | oh no | 10:23 |
| Cotulla | wait I found something ;) | 10:23 |
| Cotulla | Qt: WARNING: unknown event code 53 on multitouch device | 10:25 |
| Cotulla | u know that is it? | 10:25 |
| Cotulla | I am using in TS driver ABS_MT_POSITION_X and ABS_MT_POSITION_Y | 10:25 |
| Cotulla | is it right? | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | MT_POSITION is new to me | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | what version are you basing on? | 10:29 |
| Cotulla | hm | 10:29 |
| Cotulla | 2.6.32 | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it was like ABS_X and ABS_Y | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | i mean meego | 10:29 |
| Cotulla | ABS_X ABS_Y for first point | 10:29 |
| Cotulla | I about multitouch | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:29 |
| Cotulla | but u maybe don't know, bcz n900 have resistive touchscreen ;) | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | meego mt support could be better :) | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | we | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | 're working hard on it for 1.2 | 10:31 |
| Cotulla | hm\ | 10:31 |
| Cotulla | can u explain also, all libs in usr lib have ".2.0.0" like numbers at the end | 10:31 |
| Cotulla | is it versions? | 10:31 |
| Cotulla | and any special rules | 10:31 |
| Cotulla | ? | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | it's SONAMES | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's natural :) | 10:32 |
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| Cotulla | so they can be omitted | 10:33 |
| Cotulla | in theory>? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | apps will likely link to those, check with ldd | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | which ones are you thinking about in particular? | 10:34 |
| Cotulla | oh I forgot specify -l option to gcc %) | 10:35 |
| Cotulla | will fix it now | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | since you're doing meego ARM work, feel free to join #meego-arm - general rule is that people are welcome to ask questions but you have to do your own homework yourself (ie, do things and solve some problems) :) | 10:37 |
| Cotulla | yeah... I am feels boring too from n00bs who ask on #htc-linux | 10:37 |
| Cotulla | how to do this? how to do next step? | 10:37 |
| Cotulla | and etc | 10:38 |
| Cotulla | :( | 10:38 |
| Cotulla | hm u know what is minimum size of megoo? currently I am using image 1.6 Gb | 10:38 |
| Cotulla | there ever gcc inside O_o | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, with sample media it's fairly big ;) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't recommend a NAND install | 10:39 |
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| Cotulla | we running from sd | 10:39 |
| Cotulla | but gcc is cool | 10:40 |
| Cotulla | I builded make inside O_o | 10:40 |
| Cotulla | on which linux meego based btw? | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | itself, really | 10:44 |
| sandst1 | there are some subtle traces of Moblin but mostly itself :) | 10:47 |
| Cotulla | how to fix duihome: cannot connect to X server? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: have your xorg not crash? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:49 |
| Cotulla | I just type "duihome" in console | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 10:50 |
| Cotulla | ok reboot | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | su meego, export DISPLAY=:0 | 10:50 |
| Cotulla | hm GL used by Qt? or who use libEGL and etc? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | Qt uses EGL and GLESv2 | 10:50 |
| Cotulla | so meego won't boot without this files? or will? | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | it will, if you have software rendering environment variable going | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | look how the other qsd ports did it | 10:52 |
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| Cotulla | hm interesting. If I am using dlopen() it's working nice... but Qt show unresolved symbol... :( | 10:56 |
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| Stskeeps | what are you trying? | 10:56 |
| Cotulla | oh RTLD_LAZY -> RTLD_NOW | 10:59 |
| Cotulla | I wanna 3D :) | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | got proper gles libs that aren't tainted by android stuff? :P | 11:00 |
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| Cotulla | seems I am not first who bother u :D | 11:02 |
| Cotulla | hm | 11:23 |
| Cotulla | what about BT? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | bluetooth? | 11:24 |
| Cotulla | yes | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | dump in firmware, usually | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | it depends on kernel | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | we have bluez | 11:24 |
| Cotulla | there before run we need run special startup program to load FW | 11:24 |
| Cotulla | how it can be implemented in Meego | 11:24 |
| Cotulla | ? | 11:24 |
| Cotulla | in Android there was parameter for bt service | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | udev | 11:24 |
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| Macer | hello | 11:35 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: how is the project coming along? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | how would i know, it's snday | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
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| iekku | :D | 11:48 |
| Cotulla | hm why on megoo no C++ compilator? :D | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | only C... | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: g++? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | install it | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | sh-4.0# find . | grep cc1plus | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | find . | grep cc1plus | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | sh-4.0# | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | missing :P | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | how to install it? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | install gcc-c++ | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | zypper in gcc-c++ | 11:50 |
| Cotulla | I heard there packages for meego | 11:51 |
| Cotulla | isn't it>? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | sure? | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:52 |
| Cotulla | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ | 11:52 |
| Cotulla | yeah | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | it also has something like apt-get, zypper | 11:53 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, the only way to have rest from workrelated stuff is go away from irc? :) | 11:53 |
| Cotulla | but my meego have not internet :P | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: get usbnet | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| Cotulla | lazy | 11:55 |
| Cotulla | u know such word? :D | 11:55 |
| Cotulla | I am very lazy :( | 11:55 |
| Cotulla | lol | 11:56 |
| Cotulla | installed | 11:56 |
| Cotulla | :D | 11:56 |
| Cotulla | never did such dirty things before | 11:56 |
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| Aderlass | Hello. | 12:01 |
| sandst1 | hey | 12:05 |
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| Cotulla | hm are there in linux atomic functions for userspace? | 12:49 |
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| Aderlass_ | Does anyone here like classic Doom Metal? :) | 13:36 |
| Tm_T | no, but I bet lot of us here likes MeeGo | 13:37 |
| Aderlass_ | I'm one of them! :D | 13:38 |
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| Aderlass_ | Don't tell anyone, but i like both. | 13:38 |
| Cotulla | :D | 13:40 |
| Aderlass_ | Is it not allowed to talk about not-MeeGo-topics here? :) | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have #meego-bar for totally off topic ;) | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | but on-topic-off-topic flows | 13:43 |
| Aderlass_ | Sorry then.. :) | 13:43 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, how's that new graphics driver coming along? | 13:44 |
| Cotulla | Stskeeps, u know how flush dcache in lunix? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: good | 13:44 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, is it in now? | 13:45 |
| TomaszD | happy new year by the way | 13:45 |
| TomaszD | :) | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: no releases were made between xmas and newyears | 13:45 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, what about the emgd joggler meego situation? | 13:46 |
| Aderlass_ | TomaszD, are you waiting for ION support too? :) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: for 1.2 i had a problem just before christmas cos we switched to egl/gles for meego qt | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: i plan to look into it soon | 13:47 |
| TomaszD | Aderlass_, no, the gfx driver for the n900 | 13:47 |
| Aderlass_ | Aah! | 13:47 |
| TomaszD | and also for gma500 (joggler) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: you're more than welcome to try the 'demo' image from tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 13:47 |
| Aderlass_ | A friend got his n900 last week. Haben't heared from him since.. ;) | 13:47 |
| Aderlass_ | b=v | 13:48 |
| TomaszD | oh well | 13:49 |
| Aderlass_ | Must be a nice toy. :) | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | nazgee: any luck? | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | nazgee: also, you should really be in #meego-arm :) | 13:58 |
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| TomaszD | Aderlass_, a nice toy? | 14:04 |
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| sivang | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&NR=1&feature=fvwp | 14:17 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: $ | 14:17 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: ^ | 14:18 |
| nazgee | Stskeeps: still fighting with xorg not getting up... but I will try to restraing my questions, and have some fun playing with it. If it eventually won't work, I'll probably pull all my hair out... and start all over again :) | 14:19 |
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| Aderlass_ | TomaszD, sorry, i meant new hype-super-uber-Smartphone. :D | 14:36 |
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| TomaszD | well, it's ok | 14:38 |
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| * CosmoHill programs a B-Tree | 14:57 | |
| Venemo | CosmoHill: I have a B Tree in my garden | 14:59 |
| CosmoHill | does it self balance when it grows more leaves? | 15:00 |
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| Venemo | yes, of course | 15:00 |
| Venemo | it also balances itself when I break one of its branches | 15:00 |
| CosmoHill | did you beat a small red car with said branch? | 15:01 |
| Venemo | no, but if I plant the broken branch, another B-Tree will grow from it | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl3mfaWCnWw | 15:01 |
| Venemo | LOOL | 15:02 |
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| CosmoHill | better clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxUc&feature=channel | 15:03 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: what are you going to do with this b tree and why are you making one if there are so many already in the wild includin gthe stl? :) | 15:23 |
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| CosmoHill | it;s my way of doing revision | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: because you can't use a data structure if you can't make the impl yourself ;) | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | hi Termana | 15:24 |
| CosmoHill | my programming it I learn how insertion, deletion and searching works | 15:24 |
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| CosmoHill | by* | 15:25 |
| Termana | hey CosmoHill, how are you? | 15:25 |
| CosmoHill | i'm good | 15:26 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe I should have done a AVL tree instead | 15:38 |
| CosmoHill | oh hey, I have AVLtree.h on my mac | 15:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, FLAC or Apple Lossless? | 15:52 |
| Aderlass_ | FLAC is lossless. | 15:54 |
| Aderlass_ | And OSS. :) | 15:54 |
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| CosmoHill | holy poop, if I want lossless I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive | 15:59 |
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| Raydiation | any plans for supporting htc devices? | 17:47 |
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| Tm_T | Raydiation: if those can be run with opensource drivers, they're kind of supported already, if those needs closed binary drivers, you should be asking that question from htc I suppose | 17:49 |
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| Raydiation | Tm_T: ah yeah right | 17:50 |
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| Raydiation | im a bit worried about fragmentation of mobile os | 17:53 |
| Raydiation | there should be 1 linux base | 17:53 |
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| Raydiation | and apps should run on all linux devices the same way | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's what we try to acheive in meego ;) | 17:55 |
| Raydiation | i hope for meegos success | 17:55 |
| Raydiation | although im fine with android atm :) | 17:55 |
| Raydiation | hows the developement going btw? | 17:56 |
| Venemo | Raydiation: someone already ported MeeGo to a htc device, but I can't recall the details | 17:56 |
| Raydiation | is nokia going to release anything anytime soon? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | dunno - check engadget | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:57 |
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| Raydiation | whats still missing? | 17:58 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what's up with the hardfp thingy? | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: solved the gcc problem so now it's just chewing | 18:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: so with this stuff, floating point calculations will be just as fast as integer calculations? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's a little different | 18:01 |
| jonnor | Raydiation: Nokia said in the keynote at Meego that they would be announcing in 2011 | 18:01 |
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| jonnor | that is the latest official info, afaik | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | do you understand if i use the terms floating point registers and integer registers? P | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | and procedure calls | 18:02 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: they are registers on a processor, designed to handle said data types, right? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | right | 18:02 |
| Raydiation | jonnor: hm announcing but not deploying right? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | so, because there was no floating point registers on many arms, when you were sending floating point values to a procedure, you put them in integer registers instead, which is obviously slower | 18:03 |
| jonnor | Raydiation: they just said annoucing. Things might ship the day after the annoucement, or 2 years, who knows | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | hardfp puts floating point values in floating point registers, which are faster, and you don't always have to move them forth and back to calculate floating point stuff | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a performance benefit | 18:04 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: right | 18:04 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: so the point is that those registers will be used that were designed to work with fp numbers | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | right, when calling other routines | 18:05 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: so if I understand correctly, this will make fp calculations faster, yet calculations with simple integers still be faster obviously. is that right? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it'll just make some floating point stuff faster | 18:06 |
| Cotulla | lol | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | you have to see on assembly code level to understand the advantage :) | 18:07 |
| Cotulla | man, u need saw this [i]once[/i] ;) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 18:07 |
| Cotulla | I to Venemo :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:07 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: so my point is; calculating with integers is generally faster than with fp numbers, right? | 18:07 |
| berndhs | Stskeeps: isn't the critical difference that the ABI is different? i.e. softfp code won't run on hardfp and vice versa ? | 18:07 |
| Cotulla | saw code... | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: that's the critical difference, but you have to explain ABI differences | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | berndhs: the performance is the reason | 18:08 |
| berndhs | sure | 18:08 |
| Cotulla | yeah... but is meego not optimized well? | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: there's still room for improvement :) | 18:09 |
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| Cotulla | but Qt is large | 18:09 |
| Cotulla | is it laggy on N900 honestly? | 18:10 |
| Cotulla | tell us truth :P | 18:10 |
| Venemo | Cotulla: yes, but less laggy with new gfx drivers | 18:10 |
| Venemo | Cotulla: even less laggy when installed to the devices's build-in eMMC instead of an SD card | 18:10 |
| Venemo | Cotulla: so all in all, the guys here will get it right :) | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | the slowness isn't the platform's fault, at least | 18:12 |
| Cotulla | hm? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll see big strides within the next month | 18:13 |
| Venemo | Cotulla: plus the hardfp thing that I discussed with Stskeeps will also improve the performance greatly | 18:13 |
| Cotulla | I just worry Qt is very big | 18:13 |
| Cotulla | a lot of code | 18:13 |
| Cotulla | and etc | 18:13 |
| Cotulla | it was designed for PC primary isn't it> | 18:13 |
| Cotulla | ? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: not really a problem, as it uses it very well | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: i've seen qt on a 200mhz arm device, so not really | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | err, CosmoHill | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | Cotulla: | 18:14 |
| * CosmoHill tilts head | 18:14 | |
| Cotulla | but android on LEO with software render was much faster.... | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Cotulla: MTF is problematic when it comes to sw render as it wasn't designed for it | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | it was designed for a GLESv2 device | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | qt however is designed for a lot of different targets, but glesv2 helps a lot | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | mtf being meego touch framework | 18:16 |
| Cotulla | okay few days later I will check how is it :) | 18:16 |
| Cotulla | at least after android looks all can be ported | 18:17 |
| Cotulla | :P | 18:17 |
| Cotulla | bad that no "sample" devices exist | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | well, n900 | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded shows how good it could be | 18:19 |
| Cotulla | is it 1.1? | 18:19 |
| Cotulla | haha rotation almost like on WP7 | 18:19 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: why the 'could'? | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: cos the 3d drivers aren't merged yet (we had a 'release holiday', so nothing got merged) | 18:20 |
| Venemo | oh | 18:20 |
| Venemo | well the stuff on the videa is blazing fast :) | 18:20 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I'm sure all these improvements when added together will make the OS nice to use :) | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully | 18:23 |
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| Cotulla | Qt is full open source? | 18:26 |
| Venemo | yes Cotulla | 18:26 |
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| Venemo | Cotulla: licensed under LGPL and GPL too | 18:26 |
| Cotulla | so this EGL drawer also opended? | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | well, yes, but libEGL/GLESv2 implementation is closed usually | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | on ARM, that is | 18:28 |
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| Venemo | so that driver on the video is also closed? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's closed, but redistributable | 18:29 |
| Venemo | so how can you merge it if its source is closed? | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: we have a non-oss section for redistributable binaries -- nothing in Trunk can rely on anything in non-oss though | 18:30 |
| Cotulla | it's so funny to compile on device ^^ | 18:30 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: understandable :) | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | so we build apps towards the EGL/GLESv2 API (mesa, open source) and then replace with the closed bits at image build time | 18:32 |
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| Venemo | interesting | 18:32 |
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| Cotulla | hm where I can find headers for libX11.so | 18:36 |
| Cotulla | it present but no headers for it on device | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | libX11-devel ? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | install it with zypper | 18:37 |
| Cotulla | haha | 18:38 |
| Cotulla | it's crazy\ | 18:38 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: just out of curiosity, is there any "app manager" for MeeGo yet? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: packagekit's there, some claim | 18:38 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I would guess it is not very integrated with the environment then | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: yeah.. i think the idea is something based on OCS | 18:39 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: OCS=? | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://mbatle.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/open-collaboration-services-and-libattica-on-meego/ | 18:40 |
| Venemo | thx | 18:40 |
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| Venemo | Mat_Matan: ping | 18:42 |
| Mat_Matan | pong | 18:43 |
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| Cotulla | pkgconfig(xcb) is needed by libX11-devel-1.3.3-2.58.armv7l | 18:45 |
| Cotulla | which xcb? | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | zypper in pkgconfig(xcb) | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | you really need to get usb networking going | 18:49 |
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| Cotulla | yeah :( | 18:50 |
| Cotulla | u know how? or have link? | 18:51 |
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| Cotulla | haha X11 develp installed | 18:51 |
| Cotulla | :D | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | g_ether's usually a good start | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | how do you get onto shell? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:53 |
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| Cotulla | ADB | 18:56 |
| Cotulla | :P | 18:56 |
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| Cotulla | lol my program compiled without errors :D | 18:58 |
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| Cotulla | hm can I shutdown meego ui? | 19:00 |
| Cotulla | otherwise I got message "cannot connect to X server" | 19:00 |
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| Cotulla | hm request_firmware get files by default from which folder in meego? | 19:11 |
| ali1234 | /lib/firmware | 19:13 |
| Cotulla | there a lot of subfolders | 19:14 |
| Cotulla | how right one is selected? | 19:14 |
| ali1234 | i think it automatically searches them all | 19:14 |
| Cotulla | ok | 19:14 |
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| Cotulla | is it possible to get more information somewhere, except "segmentation fault" label? | 19:20 |
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| Mat_Matan | haj! | 19:24 |
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| jonnor | Cotulla: gdb and valgrind are very useful tools for debugging segfaults | 19:24 |
| Cotulla | there no valgrind | 19:25 |
| Cotulla | ok gdb | 19:25 |
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| lupine_85 | you can get it to push out a core dump (there's a ulimit setting for this) on sigsegv | 19:30 |
| Cotulla | yeha ^^ | 19:31 |
| Cotulla | GDB working ^^ | 19:31 |
| Cotulla | :D | 19:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | ulimit -c unlimited | 19:31 |
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| lupine_85 | it's been a long while since distributions dumped cores by default | 19:32 |
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| Cotulla | dunno | 19:35 |
| Cotulla | gdb is better that I though | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (or any chanop) would you please kick apt? I'd tell infobot to come back then | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ^^^ | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 20:26 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 20:26 |
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| Raydiation | are there images you can test in a vm on intel core 2 duo laptop | 21:41 |
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| pupnik | have you tried google Raydiation ? | 21:49 |
| pupnik | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks | 21:51 |
| Raydiation | oops i forgot to mention that i wanted to test the handset images | 21:51 |
| Raydiation | pupnik: is it possible to test handset version in a vm? | 21:53 |
| pupnik | yes it is possible | 21:54 |
| Raydiation | pupnik: well how do you do this? | 22:00 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | Raydiation: check out the meego sdk | 22:03 |
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| lbt | evening | 22:42 |
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| Stskeeps | evening lbt | 22:42 |
| lbt | hi :) | 22:43 |
| lbt | they're watching s TV show about beer.... ew | 22:43 |
| * lbt has a nice glass of port :) | 22:43 | |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 23:06 |
| Umeaboy | Even if Meego is mainly built for Atom- CPU's, isn't it compatible with other CPU's also? | 23:07 |
| Umeaboy | Tried using task-moblin in Mandriva 2010.2 now & nothing happened when I logged in. | 23:07 |
| Umeaboy | It just kept on working an working and working......... | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ | 23:08 |
| dm8tbr | SSSE3 is a requirement | 23:08 |
| Umeaboy | Huh? | 23:08 |
| Umeaboy | I'm a noob so I don't know what that is. | 23:08 |
| Umeaboy | When it comes to Meego that is. | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | can anyone who has access to the sever that the MeeGo wiki is hosted on PM me please | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | Umeaboy: see the top of the FAQ I just posted | 23:09 |
| Umeaboy | Okey. | 23:09 |
| Umeaboy | I read. | 23:09 |
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| Umeaboy | CosmoHill: This is my info about my computer: http://umeaboy.pastebin.com/V9fH21h8 | 23:12 |
| Umeaboy | Could I get it working with theese criterias? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, file a bug. really, will be best way to get it fixed. | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | Umeaboy: processor seems okay | 23:15 |
| lcuk | Umeaboy, what happens when you install meego on it? (or try live booting it from the flash drive image) | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | what graphics card do you have? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ie, try it yourself and come back with clear specific issues | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I would if I cared enough | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | I graduate in 8 months :D | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | Umeaboy: graphics look okay too | 23:16 |
| lcuk | lol CosmoHill but it effects a page you are interested in, just a quick bug should let it be handled | 23:16 |
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| Umeaboy | lcuk: Haven't tried it. | 23:17 |
| Umeaboy | I can try booting it via Virtualbox. | 23:17 |
| lcuk | then how do you know it does not work? | 23:17 |
| lcuk | the cd key does live boot | 23:17 |
| lcuk | for netbook at least | 23:17 |
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| Umeaboy | lcuk: Well, I logout from Gnome & choose Moblin instead of Gnome & press OK to login & it seems to start working, but nothing happens. | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | i forgot we were on a moblin channel. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | and which meego image did you use to get gnome on? | 23:19 |
| Umeaboy | Image? | 23:19 |
| Umeaboy | I installed task-moblin. | 23:19 |
| Umeaboy | They haven't renamed it into meego yet. | 23:19 |
| Umeaboy | task-moblin-2.1-7mdv2010.1 | 23:20 |
| pupnik | maybe the lawyers didn't approve it yet | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | how does this sound for the wiki? | 23:20 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo requires SSSE3 support that is found in Intel Atom, Intel Pentium Dual-Core (except Yonah processors), Intel Core 2 or newer Intel processors. MeeGo therefore will not work on Intel Core (1) or older Intel processors or current AMD processors. | 23:20 |
| lcuk | oh, sorry I tohught you were talking about meego | 23:20 |
| lcuk | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-netbooks | 23:20 |
| lcuk | get it from here and see if it runs | 23:21 |
| Umeaboy | I AM. | 23:21 |
| Umeaboy | Meego was named Moblin before. | 23:21 |
| lcuk | i know :) | 23:21 |
| Umeaboy | Aren't there any images for desktops? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | but you are just trying to put the ux on another os | 23:21 |
| lcuk | if it doesn't work, collar the people from the OS you are running for bugfixes | 23:22 |
| Umeaboy | Yeah. | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | but for meego, try using the meego image to confirm if it actually does work | 23:22 |
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| Sage | CosmoHill: don't forget ARM ;) | 23:23 |
| Sage | on ARM the SSE3 is not required | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | it does say arm7l is supported in the next paragraph | 23:23 |
| Sage | ah, ok | 23:23 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ#What_processors_are_supported_by_MeeGo.3F | 23:26 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, at the conf did we not get told that AMD were involved | 23:27 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah we did | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | apparently the new AMD chip will have SSSE3 | 23:27 |
| thiago | yes | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | it's called bulldozer and it will have SSSE3 | 23:27 |
| thiago | and SSE4 too | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | so we can all go buy new system then :( | 23:27 |
| CosmoHill | new socket too | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | unless bulldozer will be AM3... anybody know? | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | AM3+ IIRC | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | oh, i guess not | 23:28 |
| * thiago is waiting for an AVX-enabled processor | 23:28 | |
| ali1234 | well, that sucks | 23:28 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not to sure so check the blogsphere | 23:29 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, its just your FAQ | 23:30 |
| lcuk | works fine: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_FAQ | 23:30 |
| lcuk | works fine: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_FAQ | 23:30 |
| lcuk | works fine: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Concerns_FAQ | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | borkened : http://wiki.meego.com/FAQ | 23:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I know why | 23:33 |
| Umeaboy | Hmmmmmmmmm. | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | the wiki uses redirect so when you type in foo you're actually getting index.php?page=foo | 23:34 |
| Umeaboy | Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooads of errors when booting. | 23:34 |
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| CosmoHill | however there's actually a file called FAQ on the server so it doesn't redirect because there is something to server | 23:34 |
| CosmoHill | I saw you added your ideapad thing to the bottom | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/279220-Errors.png | 23:35 |
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| ali1234 | ah, it's the FAQ file from when you unpack the mediawiki install | 23:35 |
| Umeaboy | http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/279221-More_errors.png | 23:36 |
| Umeaboy | And it continues. | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | i bet README and LICENSE are there too, if someone cares to check | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | IE8 actually shows you the file, safari and firefox download it | 23:36 |
| ali1234 | yep, README is there | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | someone should clean these files from the server :/ | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | INSTALL is too | 23:37 |
| ali1234 | open a bug about this please, or i'll do it if you want | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | you can | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | I mean I should but you can | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i am already on this, you can add reasons why in just a minute | 23:38 |
| ali1234 | ok, link us the bug when you;re done | 23:38 |
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| Umeaboy | CosmoHill: Did you look at the pictures? | 23:41 |
| CosmoHill | it looks like it doesn't understand your graphics card and it can't mount your hard drive | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | you;re running in a virtual machine? | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | meego needs graphics acceleration too | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | and it has to be one of the fully open source drivers | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | which means intel, and maybe nouveau | 23:43 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ali1234 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11886 | 23:43 |
| lcuk | fill in extra info please | 23:43 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: intel graphics only at the moment, apart from GMA-Evil (500) | 23:47 |
| * CosmoHill noms a chocolate, feels out this bug thingy, makes his bed and listens to some skweee | 23:47 | |
| Umeaboy | ali1234: Yes. | 23:48 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: want me to add the info? | 23:48 |
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| ali1234 | HISTORY file is visible... not running the current version of mediawiki... naughty | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | lol ali1234 | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | also someone didn't follow the advice here: http://wiki.meego.com/config/ | 23:50 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: added, ali1234 naughtu :o | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | I like the idea of someone turning to his work mate and saying "do we need extra security?" | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | "nah" | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ali1234, do you think that needs a distinct bug on its own? | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | not really, it's the same fix for all of it | 23:55 |
| lcuk | no | 23:55 |
| lcuk | the bug posted is specific to FAQ | 23:55 |
| lcuk | and removing other files shouldnt be part of that really | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | well, at the end of the day, same person is gonna have to go fix it | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | sure | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | it's the same bug because same thing will happen if someone creates a page called HISTORY or RELEASE-NOTES or COPYING or whatever | 23:56 |
| lcuk | and giving that person 2/3 bugs to tick off in a day can make them feel like a super hero uber productive dude! | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ali1234, but when someone says they removed the config folder | 23:56 |
| lcuk | "why did you remove the config folder" | 23:56 |
| lcuk | "because the faq was wrong" | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | the config folder doesn't contain the config | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | the correct answer is "because you;re supposed to clean up those files after installation" | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i know, but you see the scope/resolution issue | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | however, it may not be necessary to delete them | 23:57 |
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| ali1234 | it's enough to just stop the server from serving them | 23:57 |
| lcuk | then the bug should be remade into general scope one for cleaing up installation | 23:57 |
| lcuk | ;) | 23:58 |
| lcuk | cleaning | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | ie by making sure the server only serves the .php files, and everything else is ignored | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | or some other fix | 23:58 |
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| ali1234 | however, all these different things need to be taken into account when chosing a solution, hence, 1 bug, to keep everything together | 23:58 |
| lcuk | ali1234, yes, bug bug 11886 is filed against a symptom | 23:59 |
| CosmoHill | I saw it as there are files on the server that shouldn't be and the FAQ is notically affected by this | 23:59 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | well, change the bug subject if you want :) | 23:59 |
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