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ptlI've seen meego in N900 status, but to me it is not clear. Is it able to do phone calls successfull and without flaws or no?01:31
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pupnik_new year should be floating-point -- so we can do a wave of firecrackers east to west01:34
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Venemogoodbye guys01:53
ptlbye01:53
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CosmoHillcyas and happy new year02:50
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lardmanhi Stskeeps14:54
Stskeepslo lardman, happy new year14:57
lardmansame to you :)15:00
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gourwill N9 become the first shippable meego-based device, or we may expect something to appear sooner?15:25
pupniki can ship a device to you with meego15:26
gourheh...device :-)15:27
* gour was not thinking about dev-board :-D15:27
gourbut something which may be used as smart-phone ;)15:27
pupnikn90015:30
pupnikbut the first manufacturer that plans to ship meego is still nokia, as far as I know15:30
pupnikon a phone15:30
gourn900 (unlocked) is too expensive here...so nothing from intel (moorestown)?15:33
gourotoh, i've read that n900 is too slow for meego15:33
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Stskeepspeople write a lot without looking at the reasons :P15:34
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gourit could be, but we cannot neither confirm nor deny :-)15:35
ali1234the problem is more that the reference handset UX is pretty half-baked and probably won't get used on any real devices (at least not nokia ones)15:36
ali1234the danger of course is that everyone judges meego on the reference UX before any real devices even get released15:37
Stskeepsit does lack a bit of productization yeah, but you can build some products on it with little effort15:37
ali1234nobody actually wants to build products; they want a new phone NAO15:38
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Stskeepsheh15:39
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Stskeepsgood monotonic work to dull a hangover15:39
gourthe question is just how long we should wait for some decent meego device or to jump on android before...15:41
joppuI hope N900 harmattan project actually materializes since I wanna make some themes for it :P15:41
pupnikali1234: do you have a refined sense of what people want?  seems to me that android and maemo5 are basically similar - swipe stuff to move around and tap stuff to select or 'move-in'15:41
joppuprobably not going to buy a N9 unless I get a developer discount or something (as if :D)15:42
ali1234pupnik: yeah, basically that's what they want - but they want it to have *good* graphics15:42
ali1234they want the contacts integration15:43
ali1234they want the app store15:43
* gour would like decent email client (using claws on desktop), org-mode...no need for stupid multimedia stuff X megapixels camera etc...and decent phone capabilities15:44
gour...and qwerty(z) keyboard :-)15:44
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Mat_Matanbinary calendar by me :P only for GEEKs :P http://wklej.org/id/448311/15:53
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Guest32029Hello.17:24
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CosmoHillhi17:26
Guest32029Will there be a nVidia ION compatible Version? :)17:26
CosmoHillnot for a while17:26
Guest32029Just tested meego at afreinds netbook but can't use it with mine. :/17:26
Guest32029Hmm, why not?17:27
CosmoHilllack of developers and nvidia hardware17:27
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Guest32029I guess many people would be very pleased. :D17:27
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CosmoHillif you've got the skills and the hardware fill free to ...dammit what's the word17:28
CosmoHillcontribute17:28
Guest32029Unfortunaly i don't have the skill. :/17:29
Guest32029Well, i found a unofficial Version with nvidia drivers, it's booting and i could do some clicks, but no wlan.17:29
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CosmoHilldo you have a broadcom wifi card?17:30
Guest32029Uhm...let me check.17:30
CosmoHillI'm pretty sure your wifi issue is unrelated to your graphics card17:30
Guest32029Ah well, i wasn't precise enough, that schouldn't be a relation, just guessed, that there will be no support for unofficial builds. :D17:31
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Guest32029And i don't know if the powersaving features are working correctly etc. because there was no further information as "it boots on ion netbooks". ;)17:33
CosmoHillI can't get power saving to work on my laptop under redhat17:33
CosmoHillit wakes up and either goes nuts cos it can't read the hard drive or the screen won't turn on (nvidia graphics)17:34
Guest32029Yeah, i tried ArchLinux on my Netbook.17:34
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Guest32029Worked good so far, but without support for hardware-accelerated flash it's kind of pointless for me because i mainly watch flash videos on it.17:36
Guest32029But i read somewhere that there is a first flash beta version for linux wich supports acceleration.17:36
* gour gave up on buying netbook...waiting for (meego) smart-phone, but continuing wit harch on desktop17:36
Guest32029i would use Linux on my Workstation, too, if i weren't gaming that much. :D17:37
Guest32029I mean, to be fair: Windows 7 finally wirks great, but i was always a friend of oss. :) Windows itself and the games are the only not-freewares i use.17:38
Guest32029And yes: It's Braodcom.17:39
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Guest32029oa :)17:40
Stskeepshttp://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 -- sigh, bug trackers and user outrage..17:43
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CosmoHillGuest32029: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html17:46
Guest32029Is it already known, on wich Phones MeeGo will run? I'd like to have it on my Omnia2. :-)17:46
Guest32029Ah thanks!17:46
gourGuest32029: no time for gaming here...write code andor contribute to FOSS, it's more fun & healthy than gaming ;)17:47
Guest32029I agree, but i love gaming. :D And i don't know anything about coding. :/17:48
CosmoHillside affects may include being single17:48
Guest32029Check!17:48
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Guest32029Where do i start? :)17:48
CosmoHillsingles bar?17:48
CosmoHilloh, C++ and Qt17:48
Guest32029Nah, with coding. :D17:48
Guest32029That was a very unnerdish thought from you!17:48
gourStskeeps: nice report :-)17:49
gourGuest32029: maybe python17:49
Stskeepsgour: this clearly shows why you need votes in a bugtracker..17:50
Stskeeps:P17:50
CosmoHillGuest32029: I'm only joking, I'm sure most of the coders here have someone important to them17:50
Guest32029I was afraid that this would come up. I think i don't have the patience for that. I even gave up html!17:50
Stskeepsgour: and why even that doesnt work17:50
Guest32029Yeah but only because they anthoropomorphize Machines, CosmoHill. ;)17:51
CosmoHillGuest32029: you mean like your car is a "she" and stuff like that?17:51
Guest32029Yep. :)17:51
CosmoHillsee I don't do that17:51
CosmoHillmy car's a car and sometimes it floods17:53
gourStskeeps: heh, voting, i opened rfe for meld many years ago, it was voted but accepted and fixed only recently (6yrs later) when it's mostly irrelevant to me17:53
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AntagonistHow does that registration-thing work?17:54
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Antagonist./msg nickserv ... ?17:54
CosmoHillthe IRC thing?17:54
AntagonistYe17:54
Antagonistp17:54
CosmoHill/msg nickserv help17:54
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Antagonist:D17:54
AntagonistDamn, it's already registered.17:55
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CosmoHillmay I suggest a number on the end?17:58
AderlassI hate nicks with numbers. :D18:00
AderlassOr using 0 for an o.18:00
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AderlassThis one is working.18:00
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AderlassAre you a developer?18:02
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CosmoHillI program but I'm not a developer18:03
AderlassLinux only?18:03
CosmoHillI mostly swear at the computer until I realise I misplaced a pointer18:03
Aderlass:D18:04
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CosmoHillnope, gerneric C and C++18:04
timophCosmoHill: you should try the Qt's rubber duck debugging method :)18:04
CosmoHillthat sounds interesting, put it on my 2011 todo list18:04
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timophhttp://developer.qt.nokia.com/duck18:05
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* CosmoHill gets boo (http://cosmo1847.co.uk/blog/pics/boo.jpg)18:07
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CosmoHill$10 USD, $8U SD postage >.<18:08
gourlol18:09
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CosmoHillhe squeeks too :)18:13
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CosmoHillAderlass: on a server i work on, nickserv is evil. It basicaly points a gun at you until you enter your password, if you don't do it within a minute it kicks you18:18
AderlassFortunately this client does that automatically. :)18:19
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CosmoHillbiggest problem we have is nickserv vs autojoin18:19
AderlassOS: Windows 7 Enterprise Edition (Version 6.1 Build 7600) , CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GHz @ 3409 MHz 1024 kb Cache, MEM: 8190MB, 77% free, DISKS: total 2343 Gb, 154 Gb free, GFX: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series 512 MB, SCREEN: SyncMaster T220/T220G,SyncMaster Magic T220/T220G(Digital), 1680 x 1050 @ 32 bit, AUDIO: ATI High Definition Audio Device, ASUS Xonar D2X Audio Device, UPTIME: 2 d, 1 h, 5 m18:19
AderlassOops18:20
AderlassSorry18:20
CosmoHillahhhhh18:20
AderlassTought taht was only for my eyes :D18:20
berndhsoh the pain18:20
CosmoHillAderlass: I'd mock your computer but my desktop is a P418:21
Aderlass:D18:21
* CosmoHill thinks18:21
AderlassI had a P4 very long. Others had C2D at that time18:21
CosmoHilldammmn, my server is 10 years old :s18:21
berndhsi found your problem : 2342G disk space, only 153G free18:21
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AderlassNah, that's okay. ;)18:22
berndhsmore than 90% full, gots to be slow18:22
AderlassWell, i have 3 HDs. 2x 1TB, the are full, maybe 2% free space18:23
berndhsyeah, buy more disks, support the economy18:23
AderlassThe 150GB free are on my systemdisk18:23
AderlassYou schould see my NAS. ;)18:23
gourwell, we're leaving seeing there won't be any meego smart-phone released today...nor tomorrow :-)18:24
AderlassNot? :(18:24
CosmoHillAderlass: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/?page=server18:25
gourapparently not18:25
gourbye folks...18:25
CosmoHillbye gour18:25
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AderlassUh18:25
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AderlassBut that's not you Workstation? :)18:26
CosmoHillit's my server being upgraded18:26
CosmoHillyou meantioned your NAS, this is what I use18:27
AderlassAh okay okay. :)18:27
AderlassMy NAS has only an Intel Atom  with 2GB RAM. :/18:27
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CosmoHillyeah...I've maxxed mine out at 758MB of RAM18:27
AderlassSucks to copy large files, but my power-bill thanks me for that. ;)18:28
AderlassAnd it's quiet.18:28
CosmoHillI've not upgraded mine because it's 55w idle and 90w peak, mine is also very quiet, can just about hear it18:28
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AderlassAh okay then. i think i have 55-60w peak. :)18:29
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CosmoHillmy RAID 1 uses 5w, I can turn both drives off18:30
CosmoHillinteresting is when you read from RAID1 only one drive spins up18:30
AderlassI'm not really sure about putting the drives to sleep. Heard that it isn't that good for hds to spin up so often.18:30
AderlassI want big ssds for little money. Now.18:31
AderlassAh, i got another question: atm my Netbook has 2 partitions, both NTFS, can i install megoo on the first partition and leave the other one intact and maybe even access them after i installed meego?18:34
Aderlassmeego18:35
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* CosmoHill shurgs18:37
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AderlassOkay. :)18:41
CosmoHillI've never even gotten to the MeeGo UX18:41
AderlassI deleted the first partition. :)18:41
lcukHappy New Year Meegoers18:42
AderlassHow big should /boot be?18:42
CosmoHillyou too lcuk18:42
lcuklardman, heya, you wanted me last year, anything vital?18:42
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CosmoHillAderlass: mine are normally 100MB18:42
CosmoHillI need some more bear traps for my PMs18:43
AderlassWhat about /home, /tmp, /usr, /var? :)18:44
CosmoHillI just have / and sometimes /boot18:44
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AderlassAh okay...so the other ones are not neccessarry?18:45
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CosmoHillmost simple linux partioning is / and swap18:46
AderlassHow do i calculate the size for /swap?18:46
Aderlass1,5x RAM like in Win? :)18:47
CosmoHillcommon is double the RAM18:47
AderlassOk18:47
CosmoHillor same size as RAM, depends on your computer18:47
CosmoHillmy mate's server has a 64GB swap I think18:47
AderlassNice. Installing now.18:48
AderlassHope everything works and i don't have to install Win7 again later. :D18:48
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CosmoHillwin7 isn't bad unless you have the starter edition18:52
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AderlassI know, i had home premium with the netbook18:55
AderlassDamn. Installation is over and now after the reboot it hangs on a screen with blue and white lines18:56
nazgeeStskeeps: sorry for getting to you out of the blue, but when i've been here lately I got a piece of advice from you regarding garbled fonts problem on beagleboard. I've used SGX pathces from N900 kernel, but unfortunatel with no luck. I am on mailing list for this bug ( http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 ), but there is still no confirmed solution. Do you somehow new something that I could try next?18:59
CosmoHillAderlass: do you get to the boot loader?19:00
AderlassI'm in :D just another reboot..19:01
AderlassNow the wifi problem19:01
CosmoHillone of the problems I have with my laptop is that the webcam works better under linux than it does windows19:04
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Stskeepsnazgee: are you using the libs too?19:05
Stskeepsand fbdev-sgx?19:05
Stskeepsnazgee: also, don't count on any of my answers today, a bit hungover :)19:06
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nazgeeStskeeps: No, did not know these are needed too... Pitty it is not described a bit more anywhere. <hangover today is probably a most common thing humanity shares worldwide>19:15
AderlassI started the update.....not a good idea. :D19:15
Stskeepsnazgee: it was beagle device?19:16
nazgeeit is a beagle clone, but consider it as beagle19:17
nazgeeshould TI's SDK be used as a lib? or some other libraries?19:17
nazgeei must admit I haven't found nokia's libraries19:18
nazgeeWhat i did is applied a SGX patch to my kernel (which in fact was not really easy, but eventually worked out)19:19
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Stskeepsnazgee: ti-omap3-sgx, -libEGL , libGLESv2  and xorg-x11-fbdev-sgx from non-oss section19:20
nazgeethx, will try it out today19:20
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AderlassHmmm20:01
AderlassAbout the wifi programm20:01
AderlassI'm currently at step 620:01
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AderlassBut when i try to use the wget command it says: Connecting to www.broadcom.com etc, HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 not found20:02
Aderlass-.-20:02
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lcukAderlass, which set of instructions specifially20:04
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Aderlasshttp://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html20:05
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nazgeeStskeeps:20:08
Stskeepsmm?20:09
nazgeeups ;] i was just wondering if xorg-x11-drv-omapfb should be replaced with -sgx20:09
Stskeepsyes20:09
Stskeepswhat's your output btw? dvi, lcd?20:09
nazgeethen if i should apply SGX patch from nokia to my kernel20:09
nazgeedvi20:09
Stskeepsok20:09
Stskeepsand yes, apply sgx patch to your kernel20:09
nazgeeso the "right" solution is to use kickstart for beagle, change omapfb with sgx, use libs from TI20:10
nazgeeand that thoul do it20:10
nazgeethoul=should ;]20:10
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Stskeepsnazgee: well, the new 'beagleboard from scratch' guide uses the new drivers, afaik20:11
nazgeewell... it did not make it for me20:11
nazgeeand there is no GFX from TI used in it20:11
timeless_mbpCosmoHill: hey, starter ain't bad :)20:12
CosmoHill?20:12
timeless_mbpw720:13
CosmoHillah okay20:13
Stskeepsnazgee: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch , ks in http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meego_beagle.tgz20:14
Stskeepsand use the nokia sgx patch20:14
nazgeethis kickstart file does not use -sgx driver for x1120:15
Stskeepsit does20:15
Stskeepslook at @Nokia line20:15
nazgee@Nokia N900 Proprietary Support?20:16
Stskeepsyes20:16
Stskeepsit's a package group20:16
nazgeethat does the trick? and uses -sgx instead of omapfb? Eh, I should get more into these .ks files...20:16
Stskeepspretty much20:17
Aderlasslcuk, i downloaded the file (http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/hybrid-portsrc_x86_32-v5_100_82_38.tar.gz) manually now. Can you help me with it? :)20:17
nazgeeThen there is a bad news... AFAIR, I had already tried this file, and it did not really fix garbled fonts problem20:18
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nazgeebut I'll give it another shot- maybe I messed something up20:18
AderlassOr someone else.. :)20:18
nazgeeStskeeps: thank you for your effort in keeping me sane regardless of your hangover ;] This fonts problem is driving me crazy...20:19
smokunazgee, are you using 1.1 or 1.1.80?20:19
nazgee1.120:20
nazgeedid not now about 1.1.8020:20
smokuthis may be the issue20:20
lcukAderlass, perhaps you will have to speak with slaine when he returns (or mail him) it looks like his source package may have bitrotted a bit and broadcom might have changed locations etc20:21
smokupeople trying 1.1 with SGX tarball on archos gen7 reported garbled fonts20:21
Aderlasslcuk, okay, i'll wait then. :)20:21
smokubut for me 1.1.80 + n900 drivers rpm does not show the issue20:21
lcukAderlass, better to email him20:22
nazgeeok, thx smoku. will give 1.1.8 a try too.20:22
lcukon the broadcom site, the drivers were updated on 22december20:22
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lcukits possible they just removed the older one slaine was looking for20:22
lcukAderlass, since you have the source of his package20:22
lcukyou could try grepping for the missing thing and just trying using the new version20:22
lcukand test whether it works20:23
smokunazgee, I ported drivers/gpu/pvr to out kernel and just used fbdev-sgx and ti-omap3-* RPMs from non-oss repo and it just worked20:23
smokunazgee, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/20:23
Aderlasslcuk, Unfortunately i have no knowledge about linux... :) i'm a total newbie in this. :D20:24
nazgeesmoku: well, I believe that beagle's kickstart from wiki page is already using these, but I'll have to check it20:24
lcukok Aderlass then mail him :)20:24
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AderlassHmm, can't find his adress on the page. :-/ Maybe i'm blind?20:28
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lcukAderlass, PM20:36
lcukhis email address is quite easy to discern :)20:37
* CosmoHill sticks his finger up at Aderlass 20:37
AderlassThanks, but no thanks, CosmoHill. ;)20:37
lcuki had to read that twice.20:37
CosmoHilllcuk: eww20:37
CosmoHillAderlass: that concludes your eyesight20:38
AderlassOh...20:38
AderlassYeah....have to go. :>20:38
CosmoHillbye bye20:38
nazgeeaargh. harbaum repo is not working...20:38
AderlassNot really. ;)20:38
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niala_headhachehello CosmoHill have a nice year21:00
CosmoHillthank you, you too, did you party a little to hard  last night?21:00
lcuklol niala_headhache21:00
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niala_wr104a little21:01
CosmoHillcool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Food_Reward.JPG21:03
niala_wr104but that's trivial comparative of wr104 star http://www.universetoday.com/23342/wr-104-wont-kill-us-after-all/21:04
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niala_wr104I wonder if nokia n9/meego  will be finish before the end of the earth ?21:09
Stskeepsniala_wr104: it will presented at the resturant at the end of the universe21:09
CosmoHillis the end of the earth before or after we host the Olympics?21:09
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niala_wr104:)21:09
niala_wr104n9 in the paradise sky... wemm why not :)21:10
henawe?21:10
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niala_wr104CosmoHill: how/where can english people can do sport in a little island? :p21:12
henaisle of man21:12
henaand karting or motorcycles :)21:12
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niala_wr104marathon must be 3 go back betwenn north and south  :p21:13
lcukniala_wr104, ironman races were invented because the island was too small :P21:15
lcukbiut of running, swim to the mainland, cycle to the city :P21:16
lcukbit21:16
niala_wr104ahhahaha21:16
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eGetinhello23:10
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lcukeGetin, hello \o23:21
* CosmoHill revises different complexities23:21
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eGetinheh, used to ubuntu23:22
eGetinwas thinking "a bit" how to install an rpm package :D23:23
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eGetinhave anybody connected to internet through s60 nokia?23:24
CosmoHillI think my 6220 Classic is S60, I have connected to the internet23:24
eGetinhmmm23:24
eGetinhow?23:24
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eGetinI've got 5800XM and I'd like to use cable for that23:24
eGetincreating a wlan hotspot every time doesn't sound so good :P23:25
CosmoHillyou get your settings from your network operator, in my case I had to say I have a different nokia23:25
eGetinok23:25
eGetinwhere can I set up the connection?23:25
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CosmoHillyou mean phone to computer via usb?23:25
eGetinyes23:25
eGetinand get the internet connection from phone23:26
CosmoHillwhat host are you on?23:26
eGetinwell I live in Finland, it's Tele Finland23:27
CosmoHilli mean windows, ubuntu etc23:27
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eGetinahh23:27
eGetinI've got MeeGo on my laptop atm23:27
eGetinUbuntu got it set up automatically and Windows has Ovi Suite23:27
CosmoHillah, I can't help you then23:27
eGetinok :(23:28
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eGetinI guess I'll have to google some more :P23:28
CosmoHillseems that way23:28
eGetinMeeGo was a positive surprise23:30
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Venemohey meegoists23:45
Stskeepsmeegons23:46
Stskeeps:P23:46
Stskeeps;)23:46
eGetin:D23:46
Venemo:D23:47
RST38hameegos?23:47
CosmoHilldidn't GAN900 use that word?23:47
GAN900Sounds more like a qgil coining.23:48
Stskeepsameegos is also used, yeah23:49
RST38hmeegoons then23:49
CosmoHillmeegoons? people who belong to you who do your evil bidding?23:50
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