| Jaffa | ali1234: No, my point was if you have lots of software which hasn't gone through Qa you have to uninstall it and reinstall if after upgrading; or reflash, and then reinstall everything; or don't use non-QA'ed software. | 00:00 |
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| magius_pendragon | araujo: there's just a large number of files installed by this, and I'm having a hard time picking through htem | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | ...and don't use too much QA'd software either, because eventually that will fill your root too, because the whole design of /opt is broken | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: But that's no different to Windows or any Linux distro: if there's not enough space to download and process the upgrade packages, you can't do that. | 00:00 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: I don't disagree /opt is broken, but you make the best of a bad job. | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | hence "barely usable" | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | IYNSHO | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | Thousands of others disagree. | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | Jaffa: don't feed the troll | 00:04 |
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| alterego | Heh | 00:06 |
| alterego | I'd prefer /usr/local | 00:07 |
| alterego | But that's just me .. | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | pretty much any of the other possible solutions would be better | 00:07 |
| alterego | What are the other possible solutions? | 00:08 |
| * thiago prefers /pkg to /opt | 00:08 | |
| thiago | it's clearly much better :-P | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | mounting /opt on /usr/local instead | 00:08 |
| alterego | thiago: :) | 00:08 |
| Venemo | they should've put /usr to eMMC | 00:08 |
| alterego | ali1234: I don't see the difference. | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | or putting /opt/bin and such into the system path | 00:08 |
| alterego | You're just doing the same but undera different install prefix. | 00:08 |
| thiago | $ mount | grep opt | 00:09 |
| alterego | m'hmm | 00:09 |
| thiago | /usr/local on /opt type none (rw,bind) | 00:09 |
| ali1234 | there's loads of ways to do it that mean you don't need to put any files into / | 00:09 |
| * mgedmin raises the F?HS flag | 00:09 | |
| * mgedmin stares at the question mark | 00:09 | |
| thiago | my / is pretty small | 00:10 |
| alterego | ali1234: you've not come up with a different strategy, you've just said do the same thing in a different directory. | 00:10 |
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| araujo | magius_pendragon, try packaging with rpmbuild first, and then it should list the missing packages, just append that list to the %files section and that should make it | 00:14 |
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| Mikho | anyone else had their wlan stopped working all of a sudden on the lenovo netbook? | 00:42 |
| thiago | not to me | 00:43 |
| thiago | just the battery | 00:43 |
| Mikho | the wifi just stopped showing up in the network menu | 00:44 |
| thiago | driver loaded? | 00:44 |
| Mikho | I wonder if the update I did yesterday had anything to do with it | 00:44 |
| thiago | probably | 00:44 |
| thiago | do you see it in iwconfig? | 00:44 |
| Mikho | no, not anymore | 00:45 |
| thiago | then the driver isn't loaded | 00:45 |
| thiago | probably because the driver isn't installed | 00:45 |
| thiago | get the driver from broadcom and recompile it | 00:45 |
| Mikho | I wonder if it unloaded the proprietary drivers I have at first | 00:45 |
| thiago | you've probably never had the proprietary drivers for this kernel | 00:46 |
| Mikho | I had some drivers up until yesterday | 00:46 |
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| thiago | you probably didn't have this kernel | 00:47 |
| Mikho | are there any instructions for compiling the drivers? | 00:47 |
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| thiago | somewhere in broadcom's website | 00:49 |
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| Mikho | mental note: never do updates when travelling | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ta true saying | 00:54 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Mikho, I just installed 1.1 on a new Ideapad and the WiFi didn't work at first boot. I just used the stock image on the website. | 00:54 |
| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: expected if your device has Broadcom wifi | 00:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I see broadcom in lsmod but not in the Network panel of the uxlauncher. | 00:55 |
| Alison_Chaiken | jonnor, broadcom driver loads but doesn't work? | 00:55 |
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| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: afaik, there is no broadcom driver for those devices included on the standard image, as it is propriatary. | 00:56 |
| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: do you have a device in iwconfig? | 00:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | In our new Sunnyvale Nokia offices, I literally see a broadcom driver out my office window. Maybe I should throw a rock! | 00:56 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I will check iwconfig. | 00:56 |
| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: what's the address of the office? | 00:57 |
| * thiago needs to find a hotel nearby | 00:57 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | Our Nokia office is 200 S. Mathilda. Maybe can invite the Broadcom folks over for coffee! | 00:57 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thiago, you need to find a hotel near Sunnyvale? I always stay at Best Western: cheap, quiet, clean, good breakfast. | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | are you paid good when working as a driver at broadcom? | 00:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | DocScrutinizer, that's weak. | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm not up to performance | 00:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, Best Western Silicon Valley Inn isn't too far away although there's prolly something else closer. | 00:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, iwconfig shows | 01:00 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Ooops, shows wlan0. But there's no rfkill as far as I can tell. | 01:00 |
| thiago | Alison_Chaiken: the hotel the travel agency got me is 2.7 mi away | 01:00 |
| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: install it to find out if it is blocked | 01:01 |
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| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: and make sure you have not turned it off using the hw switch on the right side ;) | 01:02 |
| jonnor | Alison_Chaiken: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad lists some known issues and resolutions | 01:02 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | jonnor, the power switch on the RHS was off! D'oh, maybe I need to read the Guide for New Users instead of dmesg. | 01:04 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, the Best Western Silicon Valley is 1.1 miles from here. | 01:06 |
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| thiago | I'll ask them to move me | 01:06 |
| thiago | they also got the dates wrong | 01:07 |
| dvalfre | alo, anybody working with repo signing? | 01:07 |
| jonnor | dvalfre: just ask your question/state your problem | 01:08 |
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| dvalfre | jonnor: we are adding a 3rd party repo with manifest signing (no apps) and, although the verification fails, pkcon & zypper continue | 01:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | thiago, also suggest "hotel sunnyvale site:yelp.com" to find recommendations. Yelp is the most useful search engine for US customer-facing businesses. | 01:09 |
| thiago | I can't do that | 01:09 |
| dvalfre | no warnings, nothing, just a lame log line saying that the verification failed | 01:09 |
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| thiago | the travel agency chooses | 01:09 |
| thiago | I can only tell it where I want to be | 01:09 |
| poutsi | "earth, western hemisphere.. please?" | 01:09 |
| thiago | poutsi: something like that | 01:10 |
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| jonnor | dvalfre: I believe that for zypper, this is configurable | 01:12 |
| Mikho | ok, Im trying to run: "sudo zypper install pattern:development-tools", but get "No provider of 'pattern:development-tool' found." What's wrong? | 01:13 |
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| Mikho | I can't find working instructions on how to install the broadcom driver | 01:18 |
| thiago | the new kernel must be too new | 01:18 |
| thiago | I had this problem previously | 01:18 |
| thiago | the kernel devs keep breaking proprietary drivers (intentionally) | 01:19 |
| Mikho | would anybody know the wifi chipset name? | 01:19 |
| thiago | lspci probably does | 01:19 |
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| Mikho | I'd like to know who's intention that was, so I can hate him | 01:19 |
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| dvalfre | jonnor: should take to the zypper channel then | 01:21 |
| thiago | the intention is to penalise companies that don't upstream their code into the kernel | 01:22 |
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| jonnor | thiago: I wouldn't say intentionally. But they don't take them into account when they want to change something, that they promise | 01:23 |
| thiago | yeah | 01:23 |
| * thiago had to fix the Intel VTune driver after upgrading to 2.6.36 | 01:23 | |
| thiago | now it reports "Unknown error" when I start VTune | 01:23 |
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| Mikho | I never knew wifi support was this hard to get working properly | 01:32 |
| Mikho | I thought it was an important feature in mobile devices | 01:32 |
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| thiago | right | 01:38 |
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| thiago | which is why people usually get good hardware | 01:38 |
| thiago | unfortunately, it was hard to find the lenovos with the atheros cards | 01:39 |
| thiago | intel had to settle for the broadcom stuff | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (the intention is to penalise) that's actually partially true, and also it's an extremely insane attitude | 01:56 |
| thiago | well, it gives an advantage for drivers that are in-tree | 01:58 |
| thiago | so it's a reward for putting it there | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, I'm sure Mikho is happy as a clam about that reward | 02:03 |
| Mikho | yes, I'm actually not very sure who it is supposed to penalize | 02:03 |
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| Venemo | LOL | 02:07 |
| Venemo | the topic of #clutter is: "This channel is NOT for the UI toolkit." :D | 02:07 |
| thiago | well, could be worse | 02:08 |
| thiago | could be "You're not here" | 02:08 |
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| Venemo | so which channel is for the UI toolkit then? | 02:09 |
| thiago | probably not on this network | 02:09 |
| thiago | check the website | 02:09 |
| Venemo | k | 02:10 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 02:28 |
| Umeaboy | Are there any devices with Meego sold commerisally out now? | 02:28 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Umeaboy, there's the new Indamixx music tablet and a set-top box from Amino in France. | 02:30 |
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| araujo | Umeaboy, there is also some meego tv box around | 02:32 |
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| Venemo | I have some questions about terminology | 02:37 |
| Venemo | what's the difference between a compositor, window manager, and window decorator? | 02:37 |
| Umeaboy | araujo: Link-proof for that statement? Not that I don't trust you, but I need something that confirms. | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | the compositor renders all the windows into the display, the window manager controls where the windows are located, and the decorator draws the window borders | 02:38 |
| ali1234 | Umeaboy: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/09/10/amino-meego-dvb-t-hybrid-on-demand-media-centre-available-q4-2010/ | 02:39 |
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| araujo | Umeaboy, check meego-dev mailing list archives | 02:40 |
| araujo | there are many more examples there too | 02:40 |
| ali1234 | as for commercial availability... amino don't really sell at retail | 02:40 |
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| ali1234 | btw amino aren't french... they are a UK company | 02:42 |
| ali1234 | they've been using linux in their products for donkey's years too | 02:43 |
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| ali1234 | if you were at the meego conf you might have noticed all the big TVs everywhere... they all had an amino iptv box strapped to the back of them | 02:44 |
| Venemo | ali1234: so for example in Gnome, Metacity is the window manager, Gtk window decorator is what its name says and... what is the compositor there? | 02:45 |
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| ali1234 | well, Xorg in that case, i guess | 02:48 |
| ali1234 | but metacity doesn't use the composite extension afaik | 02:49 |
| Venemo | so if Xorg is a compositor also, why does MeeGo need a new compositor? doesn't MeeGo use Xorg too? | 02:50 |
| ali1234 | because if you are doing compositing (as opposed to old style "paint everything front to back" which is all basic X can do) you need something to tell how to composite the windows - something like compiz for example | 02:51 |
| ali1234 | (i mean back to front) | 02:52 |
| Venemo | ummm | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | but compiz is also a window manager and also handles the decoration | 02:52 |
| Venemo | but compiz is a window manager, not a compositor, or is it both? | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | compiz does it all and then some | 02:52 |
| ali1234 | but window management is dealing in abstracts | 02:53 |
| ali1234 | "this window is at position x,y" | 02:53 |
| Venemo | thx ali1234 | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | and the decorator is literally just the window boarders | 02:54 |
| ali1234 | they are totally separate from the actual application under X | 02:55 |
| Venemo | and why does MeeGo want to make its own components for these purposes? why can't they reuse Compiz or Metacity? | 02:56 |
| jonnor | Venemo: metacity can also do compositing | 02:56 |
| jonnor | Venemo: maybe because they want different window-management behavior | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | well, i guess because for one, they wat to use Qt as much as possible, and two, metacity and compiz are not designed for the mobile devices | 02:57 |
| Venemo | hm | 02:57 |
| Venemo | understandable | 02:57 |
| Venemo | but still, Compiz Cube on a mobile would be awesome... :D | 02:57 |
| jonnor | Yes, there should be a compositing library. And a wm library. So that people could use it to implement wms with different behavior instead of reinventing everything all the time. | 02:57 |
| ali1234 | for example, application switcher... that was done quite well on n900 i think... but it was nothing like any desktop WM | 02:57 |
| berndhs | Venemo: yeah for the first 8 minutes until it eats your battery | 02:58 |
| ali1234 | the closest is probably gnome shell... and that's not done yet | 02:58 |
| Venemo | gnome shell is utter crap | 02:58 |
| ali1234 | i tend to agree... what works on mobile does not necessarily work on desktop | 02:58 |
| Venemo | the day Gnome shell replaces the current Gnome desktop will be the day I'll switch to KDE... | 02:59 |
| Venemo | it's a disaster just waiting to happen :( | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | well, we'll all probably be using unity before that happens anyway | 02:59 |
| ali1234 | or "gnome classic" | 02:59 |
| Venemo | what is unity and gnome classic? | 03:00 |
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| ali1234 | unity is the new ubuntu desktop | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | "gnome classic" is what they call gnome standard UI now | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | you can choose between them on the login box | 03:00 |
| Venemo | I don't use Ubuntu, sorry | 03:00 |
| ali1234 | doesn't mean you're safe from the madness | 03:01 |
| Venemo | heh | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | redhat expressed interest in using it... | 03:01 |
| Venemo | I'll watch a video about unity and see if it is any good | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | if it becomes popular everyone else will follow | 03:01 |
| jonnor | ali1234: citation? | 03:01 |
| ali1234 | maybe i imagined that | 03:02 |
| Venemo | vertical taskbar? ouch! | 03:03 |
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| Venemo | no waaay | 03:03 |
| ali1234 | i tried it a couple of weeks ago, it's currently even more buggy than meego handset | 03:04 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | then there's wayland | 03:06 |
| Venemo | wayland? | 03:06 |
| ali1234 | it's a X replacement | 03:07 |
| ali1234 | they claim it will be able to handle X clients but i get the feeling it will handle them about as well as OS X... | 03:08 |
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| Venemo_N900 | eh, sorry | 03:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | my machine just froze | 03:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | ali1234: what was it that you said last? | 03:09 |
| ali1234 | they claim it will be able to handle X clients but i get the feeling it will handle them about as well as OS X... | 03:09 |
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| Venemo | I've returned | 03:11 |
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| Umeaboy | Compared to using Android, what are the perks of using Meego instead? | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | hmm ... http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2010-December/000356.html | 03:14 |
| Umeaboy | Is there a compariso-list? | 03:14 |
| Umeaboy | comparison | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | i could reel a few off if you like :) | 03:15 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | you don't need to write any horrible java code for one thing | 03:15 |
| Umeaboy | I mean when you use it. | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | Qt creator is much nicer than eclipse | 03:16 |
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| Umeaboy | Not when you're developing | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | oh, when you use it? | 03:16 |
| Umeaboy | Yeah. | 03:16 |
| ali1234 | can't really think of any | 03:16 |
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| Umeaboy | I thought Universalandroot rooted my device when I was told by it, but it didn't do it. | 03:17 |
| Umeaboy | I want to switch to Meego. | 03:17 |
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| Umeaboy | I have a Kendo M7-tablet. | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | well, good luck with that | 03:18 |
| berndhs | http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/ | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | you know there isn't even a fully usable UX for tablets right? | 03:18 |
| berndhs | with Android you're not sure if your manufacturer is headed for jail :) | 03:18 |
| Umeaboy | berndhs: Huh? | 03:19 |
| berndhs | copyright violations | 03:19 |
| berndhs | see the link for possible problems | 03:19 |
| Umeaboy | Kendo isn't in that list. | 03:19 |
| Umeaboy | So it seems that it isn't out yet. | 03:19 |
| Venemo | Umeaboy: comparing an in-development piece of software with one that's been on the consumer market for a few years is unfair, isn't it? | 03:19 |
| Umeaboy | Venemo: Yes, but I don't want a locked device. | 03:20 |
| Umeaboy | In any way. | 03:20 |
| Umeaboy | And I DO have insurance. | 03:20 |
| Umeaboy | That cover this if something goes wrong. | 03:21 |
| Umeaboy | I just upgraded my firmware for it. | 03:21 |
| Venemo | Umeaboy: what hw do you wanna use MeeGo on? | 03:22 |
| Umeaboy | My tablet. | 03:22 |
| Umeaboy | Kendo M7 from Netlogic. | 03:22 |
| Venemo | mhm | 03:23 |
| Venemo | does MeeGo work on it at all? | 03:23 |
| Umeaboy | That's what I want to test. | 03:23 |
| Venemo | mhm | 03:23 |
| Umeaboy | Since I've got insurance. | 03:23 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Umeaboy, if you're creating a new app for Android, you will Java. If you're creating a new app for MeeGo, you will use Qt. If you're porting an app from other Linux, MeeGo will look pretty familiar and Android, with its Dalvik JVM, perhaps less so. | 03:23 |
| Venemo | you'll need someone more knowledgeable than me Umeaboy | 03:23 |
| Umeaboy | Okey. | 03:24 |
| Venemo | Umeaboy: the wiki might be a good place to start | 03:24 |
| Umeaboy | Venemo: Right. | 03:25 |
| Venemo | probably you would get more help if you didn't ask at 2 AM | 03:26 |
| Umeaboy | Venemo: You live in Europe? ;) | 03:26 |
| Umeaboy | I live in Schweden. | 03:26 |
| Venemo | Umeaboy: yes, Hungary | 03:27 |
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| Umeaboy | Ooooooooooh. Are you Hungry? ;) | 03:28 |
| Umeaboy | Hehehehehe | 03:28 |
| Umeaboy | Only joking. | 03:28 |
| Umeaboy | No offence. | 03:28 |
| CosmoHill | (offence is usually caused the moment you say "no offence") | 03:29 |
| Umeaboy | CosmoHill: Hahahahahahaha. ;) | 03:31 |
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| Venemo | very funny. | 03:32 |
| CosmoHill | wtf, the skiing weather was on the news | 03:32 |
| Venemo | nah bye-bye, I'll have to go to sleep | 03:32 |
| CosmoHill | the places weren't even in this country | 03:32 |
| Umeaboy | Sleep tight. | 03:32 |
| CosmoHill | sleep well Venemo | 03:32 |
| Umeaboy | Happy new Year. | 03:32 |
| Venemo | thx, you too guys | 03:33 |
| CosmoHill | I'll either roll over myself very soon or program a tree | 03:33 |
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| niala1 | hey CosmoHill what's new | 03:54 |
| CosmoHill | shiny christmas presents :) | 03:54 |
| niala1 | nice | 03:55 |
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| CosmoHill | how was your xmas niala1? | 04:00 |
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| niala1 | he was nice and lots of food | 04:02 |
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| niala1 | familly and so CosmoHill | 04:03 |
| CosmoHill | same here | 04:03 |
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| niala1 | and a litte skiing | 04:04 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: wahouw 545 messages from meego mailing list... another gift for christmas | 04:09 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 04:09 |
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| niala1 | a few day vacant and a lot of email | 04:11 |
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| niala1 | CosmoHill: question how much is internet in UK ? i m just curious | 04:19 |
| CosmoHill | we pay £20 per month for 8Mb/s ADSL2+ | 04:19 |
| niala1 | illimited ? | 04:19 |
| CosmoHill | "Unlimited" to 50GB per 30 days | 04:20 |
| CosmoHill | we can get limited to 4GB / month for free because we have satalite TV | 04:20 |
| niala1 | 23€ .... silly thing waht the diff for them if it's illimited or no? the cable are here. | 04:22 |
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| CosmoHill | if we hit our limit we end up with 128Kb/s until we go back below our limit | 04:30 |
| niala1 | ouch | 04:32 |
| CosmoHill | cos we have Sky TV we can get Sky broadband for cheap or they free broadband which has a tiny limit | 04:32 |
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| CosmoHill | their* | 04:33 |
| CosmoHill | UK broadband is kinda sucky | 04:34 |
| CosmoHill | anyway I'm off to sleep | 04:34 |
| CosmoHill | bonne nuit | 04:34 |
| niala1 | i think they are all thief | 04:34 |
| CosmoHill | idiots too, god help you if you need tech support | 04:35 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 04:35 |
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| gour | can one expect that there will be 'entry-level' meego-based smart-phones, or it is reserved for high-end only? | 13:06 |
| flavio | hello, I need to package a meego app. I'm familiar with obs but I do not have an account | 13:08 |
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| flavio | could someone help me? | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | flavio, the wiki contains an expanse of information :) | 13:09 |
| Bostik | gour: this is an educated guess only (I have no information on the subject); I expect to see mid-range/high'ish phones at first, then the high-end devices and the low-end devices only after those two markets have been churned | 13:09 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging | 13:10 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines | 13:10 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial | 13:10 |
| Bostik | gour: for the simple reason that low-end devices are *extremely* appliance-like, so the usual modification capabilities of higher-end devices does not come into play nearly as much | 13:10 |
| flavio | lcuk: the wiki says that I hve to ask to lbt_away to have an account on build.meego.com | 13:11 |
| flavio | lcuk: but he's away, that's my problem | 13:11 |
| lcuk | X-Fade is also gatekeeper if he would be around | 13:11 |
| Bostik | and also the very high-end stuff is something that creates a lot of visibility, so it makes a rather poor field to gamma test product lines :) | 13:12 |
| lcuk | it is the holiday season though | 13:12 |
| gour | Bostik: any guess when we might find ANY evic | 13:12 |
| gour | *device? | 13:12 |
| Bostik | gour: this is less of a guess - you're probably going to see some meego devices during the spring (treat the first models as field test prototypes); phones require a working toolkit/stack and that will only be available after QtMobility 1.2 gets out | 13:13 |
| gour | that's april, right? | 13:14 |
| Bostik | gour: current QtMobility 1.1 does not support permanent storage of contacts, for instance | 13:14 |
| Bostik | which is pretty big feature fail, I'd say | 13:14 |
| * gour nods | 13:15 | |
| Bostik | there are some other functionality gaps as well but that's the biggest and most prominent one to hit | 13:15 |
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| Nannu | hi | 14:33 |
| Nannu | i'm having a trouble with zypper | 14:33 |
| Nannu | when i try to update, it says "error of applydeltarpm" | 14:33 |
| Nannu | what can I do? | 14:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good morning meegoists | 14:54 |
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| letic | morning Venemo_N900 | 14:56 |
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| Termana | Happy New Year! | 16:00 |
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| berndhs | Termana: be not afraid of the new :) | 16:10 |
| Termana | berndhs, I'm hoping this year is a better one than 2010, so no being afraid for me. Maybe I should be afraid on next new year though (2012)? :p | 16:11 |
| berndhs | nah, the Maya calendar makers just wanted a new contract, that's why they stopped | 16:12 |
| Termana | hehe :p | 16:12 |
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| gour | no fear of 2012, i'm just curious if i'd be able to get some decent smart-phone (not a high-end with all the multimedia bells & whistles) running meego during the Q2 2011? | 16:16 |
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| flavio | I would like to submit a meego app to the Qtest (http://goo.gl/PzuMq) contest. They require to put the app also on the ovi store bu the ovi store doesn't support the meego platform yet -> there's no way to upload the rpm containing my app :( | 17:22 |
| flavio | any hint? | 17:22 |
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| timoph | flavio: repackage it for Maemo or Symbian | 17:26 |
| flavio | I'm using libmeegocore, which isn't yet on maemo | 17:26 |
| timoph | ah | 17:27 |
| timoph | do a static build :) | 17:27 |
| timoph | you'd still have to port meegocore to maemo :/ | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | libmeegocore? :P | 17:28 |
| timoph | what that actually does? | 17:28 |
| timoph | Search results for "libmeegocore" (0) | 17:29 |
| flavio | it gives you all the widgets used by native meego app | 17:29 |
| timoph | I thought MeeGo app develepment is pretty much equal to Qt | 17:30 |
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| flavio | honestly, meego development is a mess. you don't understand what you should use | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | flavio: you mean libmeegotouch? | 17:30 |
| adeus | is web runtime still an option? or has it been killed? | 17:31 |
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| flavio | Stskeeps: yes, sorry | 17:32 |
| timoph | ah. that. | 17:33 |
| timoph | I thought that was going away and you should use plain Qt + QtQuick | 17:33 |
| timoph | or something :/ | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | adeus: think it's dead | 17:33 |
| flavio | timoph: it's not clear :( | 17:33 |
| timoph | flavio: no, it really isn't | 17:34 |
| flavio | timoph: there are some qml components miming it: Qt components | 17:34 |
| timoph | yep | 17:34 |
| flavio | timoph: but the maintainer of the project told me they are experimental | 17:34 |
| flavio | and they rely still on the meegotouch lib | 17:34 |
| flavio | so it's a mess | 17:34 |
| adeus | exatly, qml seems a bit exotic as it IMO beta | 17:34 |
| adeus | is, or even alpha.. | 17:35 |
| * timoph writes his apps with plain Qt | 17:35 | |
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| adeus | hmm maybe I should send my password storage app into that contest :) | 17:37 |
| adeus | wrote it just for my personal use, uses PGP encrypted files to store the data | 17:38 |
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| adeus | plain Qt of course | 17:38 |
| adeus | did anyone else follow the orbit/dui/qt discussion in talk.maemo? | 17:39 |
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| berndhs | will be interesting to see if all this shiny mobile-UI stuff ports back to desktops | 17:39 |
| adeus | touch is a bitch to port if you don't pretty much consider it from the getgo | 17:40 |
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| berndhs | adeus: yes you have to really separate function from UI | 17:41 |
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| adeus | e.g. if anyone has tried the ubuntu 10.10 netbook with unity on the ideapad, I think it has design flaws on the basic levels | 17:44 |
| adeus | same goes for the meego netbook ui without tweaks | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Ever tried removing unity and using plain gnome desktop istead? | 17:45 |
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| adeus | yes | 17:46 |
| adeus | I pretty much tried everything that is available in the *nix world on it :) | 17:46 |
| adeus | they all suck | 17:46 |
| adeus | well the WeTab Ui is kind of interesting, it would be interesting to use that on it | 17:47 |
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| letic | adeus: I agree unity is currently unusable but it is an early development version | 17:51 |
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| letic | adeus: did you try android on it ? It needs a newer kernel as the touchscreen is not working but other than that the image was working well | 17:52 |
| adeus | works but no touchscreen? :) | 17:53 |
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| adeus | sounds like a phone that you can't call with :) | 17:53 |
| timoph | :) | 17:53 |
| timoph | adeus 1 - android 0 | 17:53 |
| berndhs | adeus: so if they all suck, you are going into the UI design field now ? | 17:54 |
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| letic | yeah well works = it boots, and you have something on display (with the viewpad branch) | 17:54 |
| letic | but after you can't open the session :P | 17:54 |
| adeus | berndhs: then they would suck even more | 17:55 |
| letic | should be a kernel problem, I recompiled it with the touchscreen driver but in 2.6.32 it is borked | 17:55 |
| adeus | I would give the link to the "engineering ui" dilbert if I had one | 17:56 |
| letic | and now that 2.3 is out with 2.6.35 it should work oob so I didn't put much effort in it to be honest | 17:56 |
| letic | just wanted to compare to meego and unity | 17:56 |
| letic | so far Meego is working so much better there is no comparisons ;) | 17:56 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 18:08 |
| Umeaboy | What settings do I choose to boot MeeGo in VirtualBox? | 18:08 |
| Umeaboy | I can't boot it or install it from GRUB. | 18:08 |
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| jonnor | Umeaboy: which Meego? | 18:10 |
| Umeaboy | The netbook-version. | 18:11 |
| jonnor | Umeaboy: see http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 18:11 |
| jonnor | I believe it is still valid with 1.1 | 18:11 |
| Umeaboy | I'm in Windows atm. | 18:12 |
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| Umeaboy | Okey. | 18:13 |
| Umeaboy | I didn't rename it. | 18:13 |
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| Umeaboy | There's a module missing in this version. | 18:17 |
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| Umeaboy | jonnor: Where do I find it? | 18:17 |
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| CosmoHill | Tumi_: http://xkcd.com/ | 18:21 |
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| Tumi_ | CosmoHill: :D | 18:45 |
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| Tumi_ | Just about to set up my home theater system btw =) | 18:45 |
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| Tumi_ | Moved yesterday to bigger apartment | 18:45 |
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| CosmoHill | pics please :) | 18:46 |
| Tumi_ | You get always surprised how much stuff you have in your cupboards :D | 18:46 |
| Tumi_ | yesterday 14 hours of sweating (even though it's -15 degrees out there) | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | Tumi_: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/battlestation-lcuk.jpg | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | you sure about that? | 18:46 |
| Tumi_ | Oh I need to get to wash the car and then continue new years eve! | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | Tumi_: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/26413 | 18:47 |
| Tumi_ | happy new year, have a nice evening! | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | happy new year Tumi_ :) | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | hi | 19:03 |
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| Sage | Can I compile e.g. ffmpeg with all the bits in the build.pub.meego.com as some of the bits are defined as "non-free" what ever that means in that area. The source code is available for them all as far as I know. | 19:13 |
| Sage | ..? (forgot the question mark) | 19:13 |
| letic | see you guys have a good one ! happy new year | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: there's a problem cos it's hosted in US :P | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: local builds are a blessing in tht regard afaik | 19:15 |
| Sage | hmmp. Well that is what I was affraid :/ | 19:16 |
| jonnor | Stskeeps: is this not documented anywhere, that implementations that are likely covered by patents are not allowed to build on the OBS? | 19:16 |
| Sage | ah, that non-free means that the source is available but the process is protected by patent? | 19:17 |
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| timoph | yep. we need to get the obs server to europe | 19:18 |
| jonnor | non-free typically refers to closed source afaik | 19:18 |
| jonnor | Ubuntu uses the term "restricted" for software likely covered by patents | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor: well, "don't do anything illegal" is general rule and since it's publishing from the US .. :/ | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | but gtg | 19:20 |
| jonnor | Stskeeps: explicit is better than implicit, in my opinion :) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | jonnor: there's a community task for helping define it, afaik | 19:21 |
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| * Sage build XBMC with --disable-non-free and has now problems playing videos because of missing codecs | 19:21 | |
| Sage | well, need to look more into that thing later. | 19:22 |
| jonnor | Sage: Such is the world we live in | 19:22 |
| jonnor | Stskeeps: good | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | worst case scenario it's trivial to set up a local obs | 19:22 |
| jonnor | Gstreamer is a blessing here, with its plug-in based approach | 19:22 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes, but I don't want to setup one on my netbook :) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ;) | 19:23 |
| Sage | so need to setup vm to my desktop for that after getting back to my appartment :) | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | occasionally i wouldn't mind a semi local osc build thing, ie, build these packages and resolve their deps | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's "local packages" or something in osc build | 19:27 |
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| Sage | well, would be nice to get extras project to the public obs where one could commit packages that one needs in his own builds so those would be easily available for others as well. Searching from the home dirs takes time and isn't as easy as zypper search. | 19:30 |
| timoph | AFAIK that's the goal with .pub. | 19:31 |
| Sage | I could even volunteer as one of the package reviewers. | 19:31 |
| timoph | Sage: please tell that to lbt_away when he's not _away :) | 19:32 |
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| Sage | timoph: ok | 19:36 |
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| timoph | Sage: did you catch this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/003021.html | 19:38 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta. Looking at list of Android tablets (http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/), I guess MeeGo will run on any of the OMAP3 ones? | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: nook color and archos omap3 ones with openAOS have active communities at least | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | tegra2 might join in when we have instruction set support (sometime next month) | 19:40 |
| Sage | timoph: I missed that and mostly because I'm on vacation and haven't followed every ML during this time. Thx | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | but omap3 is always a good bet, due to GLES drivers | 19:42 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yeah, Stskeeps, as far as I can tell, there's no way to get a copy of the SGX drivers for OMAP4, possibly because they're not finished yet. | 19:42 |
| Alison_Chaiken | (Unfortunately, off to service the laundry.) | 19:43 |
| Venemo | Alison_Chaiken: meego was successfully ported to the Archos 5 it for example | 19:43 |
| * Sage didn't take post-it notes with him :P | 19:43 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'm back at my pandaboard post-it notes | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:45 |
| Sage | :) | 19:45 |
| Sage | I have to go now. Cya and have a nice new year everyone. | 19:45 |
| Venemo | bb | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | you too | 19:49 |
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| Mat_Matan | damn you new year [poland] | 20:37 |
| Venemo | why damn? | 20:40 |
| Mat_Matan | becouse, new year always sux | 20:41 |
| smoku | lepiej to już było ;-) | 20:41 |
| Mat_Matan | smoku: o, chodź idziemy się najebać jak szpadle | 20:42 |
| smoku | już mi blisko :D | 20:42 |
| RST38h | Ah, I can suddenly read Czech | 20:43 |
| Mat_Matan | smoku: ja tam wale solo bimberek domowej produkcji [miętówka] | 20:43 |
| berndhs | i can read Czech all the time, and Chinese and Mayan | 20:43 |
| berndhs | dont' understand any of it though | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Is there a Unicode page for Mayan? | 20:43 |
| smoku | berndhs, aloud? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | Happy New Year folks \o | 20:44 |
| Venemo | smoku: what language is that? | 20:44 |
| berndhs | no i dont want to insult those cultures | 20:44 |
| Venemo | lol berndhs | 20:45 |
| Venemo | happy new year to you too lcuk | 20:45 |
| Mat_Matan | lcuk: new year sux | 20:45 |
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| Mat_Matan | Venemo: polish | 20:45 |
| Venemo | oh. | 20:45 |
| Venemo | sorry, I can't speak Polish | 20:45 |
| lcuk | Mat_Matan, you are the only one being miserable about it as far as I can see, go find a girl and kiss and sing songs for the night | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Incredible, looks like I can also do Polish :) | 20:46 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how is your suffering on this special evening? | 20:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk <-- practical | 20:46 |
| lcuk | <-- tired | 20:46 |
| Mat_Matan | lcuk: [D]uck girls | 20:46 |
| smoku | Venemo, sorry. this was an insider joke ;-) | 20:46 |
| Venemo | Mat_Matan: replace the D | 20:47 |
| lcuk | Mat_Matan, sometimes you find some with dual core upgraded silicon | 20:47 |
| lcuk | e | 20:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ah, splendid, if we are lucky, there will be some rioting at Red Square tonight, if not, there are always fireworks. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how long until your midnight? | 20:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: 2.12 | 20:48 |
| * Mat_Matan maked some fireworks some ney years ago, now he have curator and entery in papers | 20:48 | |
| Mat_Matan | damn you nitrotoluen | 20:48 |
| RST38h | You cannot buy some? Or has the EU prohibited fireworks for being dangerous? | 20:50 |
| Mat_Matan | fireworks made in factory sux | 20:50 |
| Mat_Matan | no big explosions no fun | 20:50 |
| Mat_Matan | and no police | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | Well...mm...[looking at the window] Wherever they bought theirs, the sounds are heavy-duty enough | 20:51 |
| smoku | yup. my dog barking at them is also heavu sound | 20:53 |
| * Mat_Matan going drunk [have mint hooch] | 20:53 | |
| Venemo | there is #meego-bar for that :P | 20:56 |
| Mat_Matan | Session - Linkin Park | 20:59 |
| lcuk | Venemo, what rare you dirnking? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | drinking even | 21:00 |
| lcuk | and -r | 21:00 |
| * lcuk must have started already :P | 21:00 | |
| Venemo | nothing yet, I don't like drinking alone | 21:01 |
| Venemo | although I bought myself a bottle of champagne to celebrate the new year. | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Go somewhere! | 21:01 |
| Venemo | lcuk: this is OT here, let's continue in #meego-bar :P | 21:01 |
| lcuk | drinking is offtopic on new years? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, are you heading out anywhere? | 21:02 |
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| Mat_Matan | how mouch time you have for midnight? | 21:02 |
| * Mat_Matan hve now 3h 57min | 21:03 | |
| Venemo | Mat_Matan: it's 20:03 here | 21:03 |
| Mat_Matan | *have | 21:03 |
| Venemo | yeah same timezone | 21:03 |
| v_zaitsev | i'm heading to Brandenburg Gate now | 21:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Nah, got everyone home, and the TV | 21:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Net too, in case the TV people chicken out and won't show rioting | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | to continue the translation stuff timeless started | 21:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.freelang.net/expressions/newyear.php | 21:07 |
| lcuk | how to say Happy New Year in lots of languages | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | welcom pinchartl Sqyber Dr_Who saigkill_ phl0x81 : Happy new year! http://www.freelang.net/expressions/newyear.php | 22:15 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Onnellista uuta vuotta, or something like that. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | :D Alison_Chaiken | 22:24 |
| kyb3R | Alison_Chaiken: close enough | 22:24 |
| lcuk | according to the translations, its double tt on uutta | 22:24 |
| lcuk | onnellista uutta vuotta | 22:24 |
| kyb3R | tadaa! correct :) | 22:25 |
| lcuk | that page I linked has many languages | 22:25 |
| jgrr | still 1h30 to the uusivuosi here in finland | 22:26 |
| lcuk | some of them, I am sure anyone with false teeth would be a hazard | 22:26 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Puhun suomea vain vähän mutta opiskelen paljon. And I'm starting to understand git, too. | 22:26 |
| joppu | everyone's out there having fun and I'm here idling on IRC :P | 22:28 |
| kyb3R | in a few hours, it's 'Rappy Rew Near'. At least if you go to near by bar | 22:28 |
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| kyb3R | *nearby | 22:29 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm supposed to be in a bike race tomorrow, so I was going to turn in early, but since there's an "80% chance of rain," I'm not sure now. | 23:32 |
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