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| lcuk | Venemo, which linux are you putting on your machine? | 00:04 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: haven't decided yet. so far I've been using Fedora, but since many people like Ubuntu too, I think I may give that a try too | 00:07 |
| Venemo | lcuk: if Ubuntu supports my hw better, then that may be my choice | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, have you actually tried meego netbook on it? | 00:07 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: it is not a netbook. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | Venemo, sure :) | 00:08 |
| Venemo | lcuk: as much as I like MeeGo, I would prefer a fully featured desktop rather than a netbook interface | 00:08 |
| lcuk | but my ideapad is a bit bigger than a phone but still runs handset ;) | 00:09 |
| Venemo | lcuk :) | 00:11 |
| lcuk | <zer00> bye | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <mpng> now Linux or any other software can run on PS3 | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <mpng> haha | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <ThorZeen> I'm still trying to get it to run on my PS2 | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> mpng, i heard linux was the best game on ps3 | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> cross platform MMORPG | 00:13 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> getting to the end of level boss on kernel.org was a bitch | 00:13 |
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| CosmoHill | shame sony killed linux support on the PS3 | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | well theres a story about it on slashdot at the moment | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, meego netbook has a border for your albumart test program | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, probably the way the WM handles it, try overriding the WM :) | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | well MohammadAG just booting to handset to see there | 00:29 |
| lcuk | but my system is a bit borkened atm | 00:30 |
| lcuk | after updating to latest testing build | 00:30 |
| lcuk | araujo, speaking of which, did you get any further with repositories, I notice timoph community repo is also in the same state | 00:31 |
| lcuk | hmmm MohammadAG | 00:32 |
| lcuk | still gets borders | 00:32 |
| lcuk | because the handset window is offset by a couple of pixels from top/left | 00:32 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, got a screenshot handy? | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | will have in a minute MohammadAG | 00:34 |
| lcuk | just trying something | 00:34 |
| lcuk | i think the offset is global | 00:34 |
| lcuk | and not related to the UX window manager | 00:35 |
| lcuk | hmm | 00:35 |
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| araujo | lcuk, repo is working fine for me now | 00:44 |
| araujo | :P | 00:44 |
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| CosmoHill | sorry, wrong window | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | meego handset ux people. please can I turn OFF icons and leave me with just the name of the application. | 03:42 |
| lcuk | i find icons confusing sometimes. | 03:42 |
| lcuk | or at least let me customise them easily | 03:44 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:17 |
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| voyager_za | I need to compile a kernel module. which package will give me the build tools? | 12:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | good morning meegoists | 12:01 |
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| voyager_za | Venemo_N900: morning | 12:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: unfortunately I'm not familiar with which packages you'll need | 12:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: probably you'll need gcc, make, and kernel-devel, plus the -devel packages for any other lib it needs | 12:15 |
| voyager_za | No problem - I think it's rpmdevtools | 12:15 |
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| voyager_za | but we'll see... | 12:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: that is only if you want to package it too | 12:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: so if you wanna make an rpm from it too, you'll need rpmdevtools | 12:16 |
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| voyager_za | It's a bit annoying - on the same device, Ubuntu netbook picks up the wifi automagically, but Meego doesn't, and modprobing the same module on the Meego side doesn't seem to work. | 12:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe the module isn't in MeeGo's kernel (yet?) | 12:17 |
| voyager_za | Venemo_N900: I think I'll only use the compiler stuff, not the actual rpm part. | 12:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | I suggest you to make a bugreport for that | 12:17 |
| voyager_za | Venemo_N900: the module is in staging in Meego. I'm now going to build it from source as recommended by the interwebs | 12:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | otherwise, you need gcc and make obviously, plus kernel-devel for the kernel's headers | 12:18 |
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| jonni | voyager_za: btw, which device? | 12:34 |
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| obit_sweden | voyager_za: what kind of wifi do you have in your device ? | 12:38 |
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| voyager_za | obit_sweden: Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8172 (rev 10) | 12:40 |
| jonni | I've written small wifi instructions for S10-3t broadcom, I bet that you can use that for getting needed build tools setup http://rainisto.com/wiki/index.php?title=MeegoS10-3t | 12:40 |
| voyager_za | on Ubuntu the module used is r8192e_pci | 12:40 |
| voyager_za | jonni: thanks. | 12:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: hah! I have 8191se, and I also have trouble with the Linux driver! | 12:42 |
| voyager_za | when filing a bug report, is Build Image just the filename of the .img file? | 12:42 |
| obit_sweden | voyager_za: If you got the source just follow the above link from jonni and build and install as with the broadcom driver | 12:43 |
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| voyager_za | obit_sweden: will do | 12:45 |
| voyager_za | jonni: Gigabyte Q1000C | 12:46 |
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| voyager_za | Am I wrong in assuming that the IVI UX can work on a Netbook? | 12:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | voyager_za: it'll probably work | 13:04 |
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| voyager_za | http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_on_the_Gigabyte_Q1000C <-- Work in progress | 13:05 |
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| obit_sweden | voyager_za: I've tried IVT on a iei panelpc with atom n270 and it works like a charm 'except some initial problems with touchscreen driver' | 13:47 |
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| obit_sweden | Tried easystroke and it works really well for touchscreen device where you want to enable gestures for existing applications I've added a wiki for anyone interested | 13:57 |
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| russell-- | are there existing builds for non-64bit x86 cpus? | 14:16 |
| * russell-- has a classmate pc, looking for a distribution that will fit on its 2gig SSD | 14:17 | |
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| Stskeeps | core2 and ssse3 needed | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | there aren't any 64bit builds are there? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | however classmate PC is celeron M, this cannot run meego | 14:20 |
| russell-- | the 1.1 image i just downloaded complained that my cpu wasn't 64bit | 14:20 |
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| Termana | russell--, from repo.meego.com? | 14:25 |
| russell-- | is there an easy way to build everything from scratch/source, like openwrt? | 14:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | russell--: afaik it should work on x86. are you sure you downloaded the correct image? | 14:26 |
| russell-- | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-netbooks | 14:26 |
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| russell-- | rather: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img | 14:27 |
| Termana | russell--, odd... what was the exact error message? | 14:28 |
| russell-- | on ubuntu, i used the startup disk creator, pointed at the meego image and booted from that | 14:28 |
| russell-- | i'll try it again | 14:28 |
| Termana | Does that normally work for non-Ubuntu distro images? | 14:29 |
| russell-- | i think so | 14:29 |
| letic | hum it depends | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | just write meego image directly | 14:30 |
| letic | I've seen a lot of failures with the ubuntu USB tools | 14:30 |
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| Termana | I've always used unetbootin so I have no clue with startup disk creator. And I've also never used MeeGo on x86 :p | 14:31 |
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| letic | it will only works if you have a FAT formatted USB disk and you use an ISO | 14:31 |
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| russell-- | Stskeeps: write the image to the usb storage? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:31 |
| letic | Stskeeps: yep | 14:31 |
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| russell-- | dd if=img of=/dev/sdb style? | 14:31 |
| kyb3R | or use the image-writer script | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | right, check meego.com for instructions | 14:32 |
| russell-- | okay, cool | 14:32 |
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| Termana | hey CosmoHill | 14:35 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Termana | 14:35 |
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| RST38h | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/29/nokia-tablet-android-3/ | 14:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: honestly, do you believe that? | 14:37 |
| RST38h | I do not know. | 14:37 |
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| RST38h | Given the recent changes in the Nokia's corporate governance structure and the lack of good news about Meego, I am inclined to treat this as a possibility | 14:38 |
| ali1234 | nokia tablet with android - that's cobblers | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Is there Meego Tablet Edition that can be used in a tablet right now? | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | I can see Nokia using Windows, MeeGo or Symbian, but not Android | 14:40 |
| ali1234 | is there meego handset edition that can be used on a handset right now? | 14:40 |
| RST38h | ali: right. | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 14:40 |
| kyb3R | :) | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | either the handset or the netbook ux can be run on tablets | 14:41 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Are these two ready for production devices? | 14:41 |
| Termana | Nokia's current marketing position is terrible, especially in the US. If this were true, I don't think it would be good for Nokia, especially because they would be backpeddling from earlier statements on Android | 14:42 |
| Termana | I could see the blog site headlines now | 14:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: no. | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | Termana: agreed | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Anyways, just imagine yourself a top Nokia cheese for a second. Looking at the marketplace being quickly filled with non-Nokia handsets and tablets | 14:43 |
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| RST38h | Knowing that your software platform won't be ready for at least 6 months, what would you do? | 14:43 |
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| ali1234 | you are assuming that nokia isn't cooking something up in private | 14:44 |
| kyb3R | RST38h: agreed, but that concerns the smartphone sales, and that's not where Nokia makes the bucks. | 14:45 |
| RST38h | ali: I am assuming that based on the currently disclosed information about Nokia Meego device readiness (i.e. fall 2011) | 14:45 |
| Termana | RST38h, what are you talking about? They weren't (and mostly like aren't at the moment) planing to use normal MeeGo in their next device anyway. | 14:45 |
| ali1234 | meego might not be ready for 6 months, it doesn't mean that "maemo-6-harmattan-with-meego-bits" won't be ready | 14:45 |
| Termana | likely* | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Termana: It does not matter which meego you are talking about, the "real" one or the Maeblin one | 14:46 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: hmm, where is that disclosed? | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Sorry, Harmattan | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | ali: Well, if I remember correctly, various Nokia people promised a usable Meego Handset on the N900 in the spring and some Meego device in the fall | 14:47 |
| RST38h | ali: As I said before, it does not matter whether the device runs real Meego or Harmattan, as it is still in the fall. | 14:47 |
| ali1234 | heh, nokia people say stuff like that all the time :) | 14:47 |
| ali1234 | "some meego device" != "some harmattan device" anyway | 14:48 |
| RST38h | ali: So far, I have not seen any of them to err on the pessimistic side though | 14:48 |
| RST38h | ali: Sorry, what makes you think it is not Harmattan? | 14:48 |
| ali1234 | what? | 14:48 |
| ali1234 | if i learned anything, it's that you can't assume *anything* about what nokia people say | 14:48 |
| Termana | RST38h, let's assume your right about the time frame. Why not just release the Harmattan device earlier instead of moving the goal post completely and start pushing Android | 14:49 |
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| Termana | ? | 14:49 |
| RST38h | ali: That too | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | if they say "meego device in fall 2011" then they mean meego, and not harmattan | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | so this statement says nothing about harmattan | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Termana: I do not know why Harmattan thingie is not out yet | 14:49 |
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| RST38h | ali: Harmattan is marketed as meego, sorry | 14:49 |
| RST38h | ali: I know it is not, you know it is not, but to marketing it is Meego, period. | 14:49 |
| leinir | RST38h: Where are you seeing it marketed? | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Termana: But, again, the reasons do not matter. | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | well, that's an assumption i don't agree with | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: harmattan is basically maemo base os plus meego handset ux afaik. | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | i thought it was the other way around, meego core with a custom UX | 14:51 |
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| Termana | RST38h, anyone that would have said "meego device in fall 2011" would have been saying it to existing Maemo, or MeeGo userbase and realised the difference between saying MeeGo Harmattan or Harmattan and just MeeGo | 14:51 |
| Termana | ali1234, nope | 14:52 |
| RST38h | leinir: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 | 14:52 |
| RST38h | leinir: Or any other post by Quim saying that Harmattan => Meego Harmattan | 14:52 |
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| Termana | Venemo_N900, ali1234 - plus I actually think they have said they won't use the Handset UX anymore, that it will be custom. | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Venemo: Once again: | 14:52 |
| jonni | anyways you should not speculate :) | 14:52 |
| leinir | Right, thanks | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Venemo: It does not matter if the next device is Harmattan or Meego or Meego Harmattan | 14:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | Termana: they said they'd use the handset ux with some closed-source apps | 14:53 |
| RST38h | Venemo: All that matters is that it is not likely to appear until 3Q2011, save for some miracle | 14:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah I know | 14:54 |
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| Termana | RST38h, based on what? An interpretation of something with seemingly no source? :p | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Venemo: So, if you were facing 6-9 months of having to stick to Symbian handsets, while everyone is laughing at you | 14:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | until then, they'll keep pushing symbian^whatever, yeah... | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Venemo: What would you do? As a business person, not as an engineer or an OSS advocate | 14:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway RST38h, I get your point | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Good. Now I see why I am starting to treat that Android/WP7/etc bullshit seriously? | 14:55 |
| RST38h | s/I/you | 14:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah... | 14:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | let's hope that these Nokia Android tablets will be able to run MeeGo at a later date | 14:55 |
| RST38h | Yea, right... | 14:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | if not, that'll be a double fail then | 14:57 |
| Termana | RST38h, see what you've done? Now you've turned Venemo_N900 into a lunatic! :p Not only does he think Nokia is going to make Android tablets, but he also thinks they'll be upgradeable to MeeGo | 14:57 |
| Termana | :p | 14:58 |
| apol | is there any command to get the package that contains a specific file? | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Termana: On to TMO! =) | 14:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | btw people can install MeeGo to Archos's android tablets too. | 14:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Termana: I do not think that they'll make android tablets, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. | 14:59 |
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| v_zaitsev | how about those super cheap chinese android tablers (160 euro or so)... is there any success getting meego running on those yet? | 15:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | v_zaitsev: I haven't heard. although Archos isn't too expensive either (200 euros) | 15:03 |
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| v_zaitsev | wouldn't be surprised if the hardware was basically the same | 15:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe, yeah | 15:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | and I wouldn't be surprised if the chinese ones broke after a few months of use | 15:06 |
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| v_zaitsev | now i found one for 109 eur | 15:08 |
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| russell-- | hey, it kind of works! | 15:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :D | 15:10 |
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| ali1234 | v_zaitsev: those chinese things can't even run android 2.0 | 15:12 |
| v_zaitsev | http://www.lightinthebox.com/Android2-1-Tablet-MID-7--TFT-Touch-Screen-Track-Ball-ARM-11-RK2818-600MHZ-DDR2-256MB-2G-Wifi-Gsensor-M98A1137PC06-_p162529.html | 15:14 |
| v_zaitsev | there has to be a serious catch, it's so cheap, but it does seem to run 2.1 | 15:14 |
| russell-- | no suspend on lid close | 15:15 |
| Termana | v_zaitsev, yes, the catch is it is a piece of garbage | 15:16 |
| v_zaitsev | most likely yes :) | 15:16 |
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| v_zaitsev | are the archoes devices the cheapest non-garbage devices around ? | 15:17 |
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| thiago_home | v_zaitsev: ARM11? | 15:19 |
| thiago_home | that's gotta hurt... | 15:19 |
| Termana | I am without knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief about your question | 15:19 |
| thiago_home | people criticise Symbian devices for running on ARM11 | 15:19 |
| ali1234 | which people? | 15:20 |
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| ali1234 | my C7 is MUCH faster than my N900... | 15:20 |
| ali1234 | and the battery lasts about 10x longer too | 15:20 |
| Termana | Symbian just sucks anyway, it doesn't need an ARM11 processor to prove that | 15:20 |
| thiago_home | ali1234: I'm still testing how long the battery lasts on the C7 | 15:21 |
| thiago_home | 4 days and counting now | 15:21 |
| thiago_home | two out of six bars gone, four left | 15:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thiagoss: is it idling? | 15:22 |
| Termana | tab fail :p | 15:22 |
| thiago_home | yes | 15:22 |
| thiago_home | idling | 15:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry that was for thiago_home | 15:22 |
| thiago_home | on 2G, but with the Big Clock screensaver | 15:23 |
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| thiago | there, easier to find me now :-) | 15:23 |
| v_zaitsev | seems all those cheap china tablets are using ARM11 from one or other neverheard mfg | 15:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | actually the battery performance in a practical usecase would be more interesting | 15:23 |
| ali1234 | idling *is* the practical usecase | 15:23 |
| v_zaitsev | practical use case, like idling in irc | 15:24 |
| Termana | v_zaitsev, unfortunately IRC sucks the living day lights out of anything :p | 15:24 |
| ali1234 | my n900 can't even "idle" for 24 hours | 15:25 |
| Termana | Batteries AND Humans | 15:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | ali1234: mine can! | 15:25 |
| thiago | my N900 does idle for 24 hours | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | and i don't even have email set up on it so it's not like it's doing anything | 15:25 |
| v_zaitsev | my n900 idles just fine 2-3 days, but if i forget IRC on, then no chance :) | 15:25 |
| Termana | ali1234, mine could do that fine too | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | no SIM in it either so it's not 3G | 15:25 |
| thiago | it's on for the same 4 days | 15:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | ali1234: my N900 can idle in dual mode for about 2-3 days | 15:25 |
| RST38h | N900 idle != C7 idle | 15:26 |
| * thiago never lets it idle on 3G | 15:26 | |
| Venemo_N900 | right | 15:26 |
| ali1234 | on the C7 i have MfE mail and calendar syncing every 5 minutes all day on 3G, and it lasts for 4-5 days without charging | 15:26 |
| thiago | oh, wait, I plugged it to USB 3 days ago | 15:26 |
| RST38h | It is not even 3G to blame | 15:26 |
| thiago | but it's on the lowest green level now | 15:26 |
| RST38h | thiago: How many messaging accounts doyou have enabled? | 15:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | ali1234: sounds nice | 15:26 |
| thiago | RST38h: one MfE, syncs on wifi only | 15:27 |
| thiago | RST38h: there's no WiFi here | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Is your WiFi connection up? | 15:27 |
| thiago | no wifi here | 15:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | when idling, I disable messaging and stuff like that | 15:27 |
| RST38h | thiago: What applets do you have at your desktop? | 15:27 |
| thiago | it lasts 36 hours when it does sync, with alarms ringing a couple of times per day | 15:27 |
| thiago | RST38h: calendar, music player, traffic meter | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Is music player idle all that time? | 15:28 |
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| thiago | yes | 15:28 |
| RST38h | thiago: Must be the traffic meter then | 15:28 |
| thiago | I did use the photo viewer on both devices | 15:28 |
| thiago | RST38h: 36 hours too little? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, 36-hour idle is pretty normal for N900 | 15:28 |
| RST38h | People did 48 hours (2 days) | 15:29 |
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| ali1234 | my N800 can also go for 4-5 days on wifi with the rss reader thing running | 15:29 |
| ali1234 | it's also ARM11 | 15:29 |
| thiago | the N900 transmits a lot of data on the background | 15:30 |
| RST38h | Yes, N8x0 was good at it | 15:30 |
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| thiago | my bill this month is over 350 € | 15:30 |
| RST38h | thiago: Not when your connection is down, as you reported | 15:30 |
| ali1234 | mine has no SIM in it | 15:30 |
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| thiago | yes, but as soon as you connect, it transmits a lot of junk | 15:30 |
| * RST38h only connects cellular data when required | 15:30 | |
| thiago | even when it's not syncing my accounts, it's transmitting something | 15:30 |
| RST38h | thiago: Not here | 15:31 |
| thiago | and since the netstat tool that comes with it is crap, I don't know what process it is | 15:31 |
| thiago | all hail MeeGo for choosing coreutils | 15:31 |
| thiago | gone be busybox! | 15:31 |
| RST38h | thiago: all it does is connecting messaging accounts and checking for mail | 15:31 |
| thiago | and check for updates | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | My guess is that you are looking at the Exchange crap =) | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | yea but update checks are once a day | 15:31 |
| thiago | RST38h: could be | 15:32 |
| thiago | netstat does show some unknown ports | 15:32 |
| thiago | not exchange's 443 | 15:32 |
| v_zaitsev | maybe it's become part of a zombie farm ;) | 15:34 |
| RST38h | Well, that farm is known as Skype but he has no Skype account | 15:34 |
| RST38h | Skype actually takes the second place in powertop after the kernel itself | 15:34 |
| ali1234 | that's probably why mine lasts such a short time then | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | skype is the only thing i use the n900 for now | 15:35 |
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| ali1234 | since the linux desktop client is a complete failure | 15:35 |
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| voyager_za | does anyone know how to make a footnote on the meego wiki (or a reference)? | 19:45 |
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| Jaffa | voyager_za: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10275 | 19:51 |
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| hardbop200 | hi! (hope this is the right place for this question) I'm thinking about a new phone, and want to use that as an excuse to get a meego-based phone :) is the n900 the best supported option at this point? is there something else I should consider? | 19:59 |
| hena | yes | 20:00 |
| hardbop200 | thanks hena! | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | it's the only one | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | i think | 20:01 |
| hardbop200 | on the supported hardware page, there was mention of some intel platform...I'm assuming that hasn't matured into an actual product yet, but that's what prompted the question | 20:02 |
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| ali1234 | hardbop200: basically all you need to know is that the N900 is barely usable with maemo, let alone meego, and that intel platform is a developer device and costs a few thousand dollars | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | hardbop200: try out a n900 in person before buying | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | also, the N900 is probably never going to get the "real" nokia/meego UX | 20:24 |
| Robot101 | ali1234: barely usable is a little harsh :P | 20:24 |
| Robot101 | ali1234: "quirky" or "geeky" might be fair | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | if by "quicky" you mean "glitchy" | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | *quirky | 20:24 |
| obit_sweden | ali1234: please explain barely usable | 20:24 |
| Venemo | ali1234: it works fine for me! | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | you seriously want me to list all the things that are bad about maemo on the n900? just go to BMO and look at all the "WONTFIX" bugs | 20:26 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: Ditto Venemo. Not for everyone, but certainly usable (and, I found more usable than a "mainstream" OS like Symbian) | 20:26 |
| Venemo | hardbop200: MeeGo is not really ready yet for consumers. If you want a MeeGo device, check in a few months. if you want the N900, that is good, but you'll have to wait for MeeGo to become mature. | 20:26 |
| Venemo | ali1234: so your personal opinion is that you don't like it. that doesn't mean that it is barely usable | 20:27 |
| Venemo | ali1234: if you really think that way, buy an iPhone and bugger off | 20:27 |
| ali1234 | the real bad ones for me are: calendar alerts that fire exactly 24 hours late, the total uselessness of the built in email client, the slowness of the web browser, the *extreme* slowness of the app manager | 20:27 |
| Venemo | well then your device is faulty. :O I haven't seen any of those, although I agree with the app manager being crap. | 20:28 |
| RST38h | He can buy a netbook and install Meego Netbook on it | 20:28 |
| Venemo | right. | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | and then there's the whole way updates work on it ie you have to wipe the device everytime there is a large update | 20:28 |
| Venemo | netbook is currently what's usable of MeeGO | 20:28 |
| Robot101 | the e-mail client is exasperatingly slow, it makes me want to pitch the device out of the window like only symbian used to make me want to do | 20:29 |
| Venemo | Robot101: worksforme | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | i'm not talking about meego, i'm talking about maemo... thing is, meego handset is currently even worse | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Actually I think there is a fix formodest slowness | 20:29 |
| RST38h | Some data needs ot be cleared afaik | 20:29 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: I've got inboxes of 10,000s of messages, it takes minutes to display mails | 20:29 |
| voyager_za | Jaffa: thanks | 20:29 |
| Robot101 | (downloads all the headers every time too) | 20:30 |
| obit_sweden | ali1234: seems like you don't like meamo or meego | 20:30 |
| RST38h | Have you considered moving stuff away fromyour inboxes? :) | 20:30 |
| RST38h | I mean, even PINE has some trouble opening huge inboxes, locally | 20:30 |
| obit_sweden | meamo is a new os btw | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | moving stuff out of the inbox doesn't help, just fyi | 20:30 |
| obit_sweden | What kind of mail server are you running against ? | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | imap | 20:31 |
| RST38h | Oh and btw, MOdest *really* does not likePOP3, just in case | 20:31 |
| obit_sweden | imap works fine for me | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | Absolutely hates pop3, very slow with it, cannot figure out which messages are sitll in the inbox, and generally hung on pop3 accounts until PR1.2 or so | 20:32 |
| Venemo | Robot101: right. 10 000's of messages I haven't tried :) | 20:32 |
| Robot101 | it should just cache the headers and grab the new ones | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | that sounds like my experience with imap | 20:33 |
| Robot101 | is just buggy/incomplete IMAP implementation | 20:33 |
| RST38h | imap works formeat least with gmail | 20:33 |
| Venemo | well I have 2 imap and 1 pop3 accounts which work well. but as I said, I don't have 10000's of messages on either, so... | 20:35 |
| RST38h | 10k inbox is a bad idea anyway | 20:36 |
| Venemo | agreed RST38h | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | I keep all my email there to search :P | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | I don't want advice on how to arrange my e-mail, I want an e-mail client that works | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Claws. | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | But I am not sure it will like 10k inbox either. Hell, nothing will. | 20:37 |
| Venemo | srsly how do you expect a 600 MHz ARM machine to be able to handle 10000s of emails? | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | it is not the CPU bottleneck | 20:40 |
| RST38h | You 90MHz machine will handle them just fine | 20:40 |
| Venemo | I'm not so sure about it | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Had big mailboxes with 90MHz Pentium running FreeBSD, it worked | 20:41 |
| poutsi | depends a lot on your definition of "handle" I guess | 20:41 |
| RST38h | You get killed by memory, or flash, or network performance though | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | poutsi: "Handle" as in open/show headers/let navigate/search | 20:41 |
| poutsi | yeah, that was directed more at venamo :) | 20:42 |
| Jaffa | ali1234: It hasn't required a reflash for an OS update since Maemo 4 in 2008 | 20:44 |
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| ali1234 | i had to reflash on the official release, and pr 1.1 and pr 1.2 | 20:45 |
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| Jaffa | ali1234: If you don't have enough disk space you can either uninstall stuff or reflash. That's why there's now a strict QA requirement for usage of the rootfs for applications in Extras and Ovi. Of course, applications in Extras-devel or -testing may not conform to that QA standard, YMMV, but it's expected that if you enable those you're willing to live with the consequences (and the responsibility to participate in the QA process) | 20:58 |
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| vgrade | my pandaboard just went from estimated delivery of 06.01.11 to 24.03.11. I ordered in November | 21:07 |
| smoku | :/ | 21:07 |
| smoku | and you were so happy that you'll get it soon | 21:08 |
| vgrade | anyone know what is happening with the 4-5 boards contributed to the project? | 21:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huomenta. If I install MeeGo 1.1 Netbook on IdeaPad and don't take the Chrome version, do I get Firefox or Fennec instead? Or do I get Firefox/Fennec either way? I prefer Firefox but assume I can yum install it easily. | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: i guess you get chromium | 21:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Oh well, Stskeeps, I'll just get chromium then and use it to install Firefox! Thanks. | 21:14 |
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| ali1234 | Jaffa: so in other words if you have lots of stuff installed, you either have to uninstall it and then reinstall it after upgrading, or reflash, and then reinstall everything | 21:23 |
| Venemo | ali1234: no. | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | well the only alternative is to not upgrade | 21:24 |
| Venemo | ali1234: again, no. | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | there have also been packages that block upgrading, no matter how much disk space is free | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | not sure if any of them actually made it to extras though | 21:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I downloaded the 1.1 Chromium image from http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-netbooks-google-chrome-browser. I also downloaded the md5sum file from there. Running md5sum from a bash shell on the .img files produces a string different than what is in the downloaded md5 file. That means the image is corrupted? | 21:31 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:32 |
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| ali1234 | that's the chrome image, not the chromium image | 21:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Huh, wait a second, running md5sum on the downloaded image again produces a matching result! Could copying the file to a flash drive change the md5 hash? (Reading file on hard drive to copy it shouldn't, I would think!) Anyhow, now md5s match. | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | depends how you copied it | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | if you made a bootable flash drive it would change the md5sum because the file size would change to the size of the flash drive | 21:34 |
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| amirhoshangi | why nokia is talking with microsoft ? | 22:18 |
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| amirhoshangi | is that a true or just a rumor ? | 22:19 |
| poutsi | are you really expecting someone who truly knows to comment? :) | 22:19 |
| amirhoshangi | but nokia is doing so strange nowdays | 22:20 |
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| voyager_za | package-kit gets stuck at the refreshing software list stage, about 1/3 through. has anyone else seen this? | 22:56 |
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| magius_pendragon | if I'm turning an existing source into an rpm, is there an easy way to figure out what all needs to go in the FILES section? I've been going through the output of make install ; but there's a lot fo them, and the docs say only for small projects ; what do we do for teh bigger ones? | 23:50 |
| thiago | everything you installed should be there | 23:50 |
| thiago | list all files | 23:50 |
| thiago | or file globs | 23:50 |
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| magius_pendragon | thiago: you're saying there's nothing but go through it by hand? | 23:51 |
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| thiago | get the listing of files you installed, then list them there | 23:52 |
| magius_pendragon | ok | 23:53 |
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| araujo | magius_pendragon, if you are building (as I am guessing), rpm for meego, you could use tools like osc or build, that would help you in the process | 23:55 |
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| magius_pendragon | araujo: I'm using rpmbuild + specify, as on the packeging tutorial. I'm having other issues with osc | 23:59 |
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