| ali1234 | it's still a bug against the wiki | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | based on specific issue with FAQ, its noticed that other wider reaching installation issues may be present :P | 00:00 |
| lcuk | you can't change topic afaik? | 00:00 |
| lcuk | ie new bug :P | 00:00 |
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| ali1234 | well... you can on launchpad ... i dunno about bugzilla | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | it's meant to be good, right? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | eww | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | so i would expect this to be possible... maybe not for plebs tho :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | i see revisionist history worse | 00:01 |
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| ali1234 | imo, if the bug has the same root cause (and this does) it will just get marked dupe anyway | 00:02 |
| lcuk | "and therefore this is a security risk. " | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | please file a security bug | 00:02 |
| ali1234 | i can just tick the security box :) | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | yeah, you can edit the summary... | 00:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | grr | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | how the heck does one do anything to the stupid meego image? | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't get grub to cooperate | 01:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't *stop* when i press escape | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | I didn't think meego used grub | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: I didn't think meego used grub | 01:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | what did you think it used? | 01:28 |
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| * timeless_mbp finds the right username/password | 01:29 | |
| CosmoHill | meego/meego ? | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly no | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless/timeless | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | root / meego ? | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | timeless / classic would have been better imo | 01:30 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders how to upgrade from meego1.0 to meego1.1 | 01:30 | |
| CosmoHill | there's a note on my FAQ that people are having trouble accessing, it says "you can't" | 01:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | helpful | 01:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | is vaguely interesting | 01:36 |
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| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: you can boot meego into run level 3 on a lot of things | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | I have a picture of it running TWM on a P4 | 01:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hahahahah, you can buy an album on itunes for £6.99 | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | or you can go to the artist's website and get it for free and in a higher quaility | 02:01 |
| timeless_mbp | it's convenience | 02:01 |
| timeless_mbp | that's what you pay for | 02:02 |
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| CosmoHill | but you just google this artist, go on his website and click download album | 02:03 |
| berndhs | for some people, google is too difficult | 02:03 |
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| CosmoHill | my friend told me that his friend always google's websites instead of entering the URL | 02:04 |
| CosmoHill | one time he googled google | 02:04 |
| berndhs | I think chromium does that when you enter a literal url, googles it first | 02:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I've been told that chrome is fast and lightweight but google say intel macs only :( | 02:08 |
| berndhs | meego webkit browsers cant deal with my intranet site | 02:09 |
| thiago | berndhs: there isn't a meego webkit browser. | 02:09 |
| berndhs | the browsers that I build on meego with webkit, and chromium | 02:10 |
| thiago | why not? layout? or something else? | 02:11 |
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| berndhs | don't know, i verfied to site html and css with the w3c tools | 02:12 |
| berndhs | no issues with anything else, only webkit stuff on meego | 02:12 |
| thiago | but what do you see wrong? or what don't you see? | 02:12 |
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| berndhs | webkit crashes, and chromuim doesn't display anuything, complains "something wrong" | 02:13 |
| thiago | chromium is webkit too | 02:13 |
| berndhs | yes that's what it says | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | berndhs: try firefox? | 02:13 |
| berndhs | yes, it works in firefox, that's why I suspect webkit | 02:14 |
| thiago | do you have a safari to test with? | 02:14 |
| berndhs | unfortunatel, no safari | 02:14 |
| berndhs | it works with webkit on other systems | 02:14 |
| thiago | oh? | 02:15 |
| thiago | fails only on meego? | 02:15 |
| berndhs | right | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 02:15 |
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| berndhs | only webkit/meego combination | 02:15 |
| thiago | we know gcc 4.5 has a serious regression in compilation | 02:15 |
| thiago | maybe you're hitting it | 02:16 |
| berndhs | yes perhaps | 02:16 |
| thiago | would be nice to see if it crashes for you if webkit is compiled in debug mode | 02:16 |
| berndhs | i shoudl try that yes | 02:16 |
| timeless_mbp | how does x11 start on meego? | 02:16 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: uxstart I believe | 02:17 |
| thiago | berndhs: on one crash, -O1 fixes it, -O2 crashes | 02:17 |
| thiago | on another, -fno-tree-vrp fixes | 02:17 |
| thiago | both are 4.4 / 4.5 regressions | 02:18 |
| berndhs | i see | 02:18 |
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| berndhs | i built a little browser on fedora/gcc5.6, it works ok, but i dont know what the webkit libraries are compiled with there | 02:18 |
| berndhs | s/gcc5.6/gcc4.5/ | 02:19 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: i built a little browser on fedora/gcc4.5, it works ok, but i dont know what the webkit libraries are compiled with there | 02:19 |
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| nightwalk | Has anyone tried to run meego on a droid 2, by any chance? | 06:46 |
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| Termana | morning | 06:48 |
| nightwalk | night :) | 06:48 |
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| Stskeeps | iekku: when are we doing core bug triage? | 09:28 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, wondering the same | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | we developers are a bit bored since meego.gitorious is down and OS ;) | 09:30 |
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| iekku | :D | 09:30 |
| iekku | so, shall we keep it | 09:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i fixed mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/ | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | silly me | 09:42 |
| * timeless_mbp has two web server roots and was changing the wrong one :( | 09:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | "oops" | 09:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ? | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/syncevolution-1.0beta3/ | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't it a violation of rpm lint to have <beta> in a package name? | 09:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | -- from http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/search?string=serveral&filter=\bserveral\b | 09:55 |
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| poutsi | hey, anybody happen to know where TDriver bugs go? Development tools in bugs.m.c? | 09:58 |
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| adeus | meego quality assurance/tdriver | 09:59 |
| poutsi | just found it, thanks | 09:59 |
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| poutsi | can't not thing of testing as a development tool instead of a qa tool :) | 10:00 |
| adeus | you're a proper test driven developer then :) | 10:01 |
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| poutsi | one aspires, thanks | 10:07 |
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| adeus | hmm when did you try that installation? | 10:12 |
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| poutsi | like 5 minutes ago? :) | 10:13 |
| poutsi | lemme see, I'm having some other package issues too, maybe the caches are out of date | 10:13 |
| adeus | make sure it's trying to install 1.0 | 10:14 |
| adeus | I thought I fixed that to it | 10:14 |
| poutsi | well, it wasn't, it was 0.9.x so that must've been it | 10:14 |
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| poutsi | yep, my apt thinks 0.9.2 is the latest | 10:14 |
| adeus | can you try again, I'm working blind as I don't have a ubu 10.10 here.. | 10:14 |
| poutsi | hm, thought I refreshed that | 10:14 |
| poutsi | yes, sec | 10:15 |
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| poutsi | yep, out of date proxy settings + silently failing programs ftl | 10:19 |
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| adeus | did it install now? | 10:19 |
| poutsi | yep | 10:20 |
| adeus | does it work? :) | 10:20 |
| fabo | X-Fade: ping | 10:20 |
| poutsi | gimme another minute :) | 10:20 |
| fabo | X-Fade: resolved :) | 10:21 |
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| poutsi | adeus, app seems to load the plugin but the visualizer starts in offline mode complaining that "Could not bring TDriver interface to running state! | 10:25 |
| poutsi | visualizer's still at 0.9.2 in the repo it seems | 10:25 |
| poutsi | wonder if that'd affect it | 10:25 |
| adeus | did you install tdriver packages? | 10:25 |
| poutsi | qttas and everything it pulled in | 10:26 |
| adeus | so no :) | 10:26 |
| poutsi | hm | 10:26 |
| adeus | wait as sec, I'll ask about the host installation package | 10:27 |
| poutsi | I had a git build before, I'm trying to transition to the official packages, might've missed something | 10:27 |
| adeus | I mean the gems | 10:27 |
| poutsi | yes, that must've been the missing bit | 10:28 |
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| adeus | look at "installing tdriver" in the guide | 10:28 |
| poutsi | ah, the visualizer must be using the wrong ruby | 10:28 |
| poutsi | 'cause my system ruby has those gem | 10:28 |
| poutsi | +s | 10:29 |
| adeus | but this will all go a away soonish as we will provide a host "do it all" package | 10:29 |
| poutsi | yep, works now :) | 10:29 |
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| poutsi | it was just picking up an rvm ruby that didn't happen to have the gems | 10:30 |
| poutsi | adeus, I'm gonna resolve the bug if you don't mind? | 10:31 |
| adeus | go right ahead | 10:32 |
| adeus | mark it as alreadyfixed | 10:32 |
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| poutsi | doesn't have that resolution option | 10:32 |
| poutsi | only fixed | 10:33 |
| adeus | interesting | 10:33 |
| adeus | I'll update the visualizer package when obs wakes up | 10:33 |
| poutsi | ball's in your court then I guess | 10:33 |
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| adeus | or looks like meego just doesn't have it | 10:34 |
| adeus | I just marked it as fixed than as it used to be an issue | 10:35 |
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| iekku | */win 24 | 10:50 |
| iekku | oh | 10:50 |
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| lassemon | anyone here present participating on the "MeeGo on nonSSSE3 x86 Hardware" -project? | 11:20 |
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| tcs-meego | hi, i have two widgets in Qt, one playing mplayer in a QProcess and the other is a small transparent ellipse. When I instatiate them as two different widgets they come up on different DISPLAYs. How do i get them on the same DISPLAY with the transparent widget on top of the mplayer widget | 11:28 |
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| abogani | Apologize for my very bad English and for stupid question: Is MeeGo usable as Desktop system? Thanks in advance! | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's more targetting as a netbook system on that angle | 12:51 |
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| CosmoHill | 11:09:31 up 400 days, 12:39, 0 users, load average: 0.46, 0.11, 0.04 :D | 13:09 |
| CosmoHill | \o/ | 13:09 |
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| CosmoHill | salut timeless | 13:10 |
| timeless | hi | 13:10 |
| timeless | my network is flaking | 13:10 |
| Tm_T | CosmoHill: 0 users (: | 13:10 |
| CosmoHill | considering I just got up I'd be worried if there were users | 13:11 |
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| MohammadAG | have the kernel sources been forked for different devices? | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | sure :) | 14:24 |
| timeless_mbp | there's the netbook fork and the handset fork | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's iirc an ivi fork | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | those are all different devices :) | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | then there would presumably be the private forks which contain unfinished work which hasn't yet been sent upstream :) | 14:25 |
| RST38h | And there is a set top box version as well (MeegoTV) | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | no, the N900 fork that was discussed on #meego-meeting | 14:25 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: oh yes, how could i forget? :) | 14:26 |
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| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: maybe it was all that booze on new years? | 14:27 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: maybe, too bad i don't drink | 14:27 |
| * timeless_mbp keeps missing out on good excuses | 14:27 | |
| CosmoHill | "what are you doing with a traffic cone on your head?" What? you mean I can't wear one cos I'm sober? | 14:28 |
| timeless_mbp | pretty much :( | 14:28 |
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| sandst1 | X-Fade: could you add the community OBS access for me? Working with MeeGo multimedia & it might be handy having that access as well if there's a need to package something outside build.meego.com (+ possibility for own projects:). Nick is sandst1. | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | sandst1: Sure, you should be able to login now. | 14:39 |
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| sandst1 | X-Fade: yeap, works. Thanks! | 14:40 |
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| eGetin | quiet :) | 16:14 |
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| araujo | hello there | 16:19 |
| Venemo | hello arkub | 16:19 |
| Venemo | tab fail | 16:19 |
| jeremiah | Everyone is reading the Linux Magazine article on MeeGo | 16:19 |
| Venemo | hello araujo | 16:20 |
| araujo | public OBS down guys? | 16:20 |
| Venemo | jeremiah: link pls | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: i didn't find it terribly objective :/ doesn't cover the facts and what is being done to remedy some problems | 16:20 |
| jeremiah | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7929?hq_e=el&hq_m=1148926&hq_l=3&hq_v=4e7fda2aa4 | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | so it felt a little more like just angry bile | 16:20 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Well, I don't know. Zonker has a pretty good reputation | 16:21 |
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| jeremiah | Stskeeps: So I'm not sure everyone is going to write this off as him just spewing. | 16:21 |
| jeremiah | I also think some of it is justified frankly. | 16:21 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: some of it is justified but some of it isn't, but the trademark discussion is a longer one | 16:22 |
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| jeremiah | The trademark stuff is a mess | 16:22 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: Its introduction says there is a loud and continuous drumbeat of criticism. Doesn't cite who from, and then talks about the couple of downstream projects trying to repackage MeeGo into !MeeGo (due to the silly trademark situation MeeGo's got itself into). That's hardly the deathknell for MeeGo *itself* | 16:23 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: Oh I agree. And he misunderstands how MeeGo is different | 16:24 |
| jeremiah | It is designed to unify devices, not Linux Distros | 16:24 |
| jeremiah | So he missed some very important points with why compliance is so important | 16:25 |
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| jeremiah | But still, the project is late with hardware examples, Intel and Nokia could be communicating more, and they have alienated people with a semi-draconian trademark policy. | 16:26 |
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| albanc | X-Fade, Hi, I would like to have access to community OBS too in order to get rpms for telepathy-glib etc. My Meego login is albanc. Also, the website https://build.pub.meego.com/ is broken at the moment isn't it? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | on a personal sidenote, i don't fully understand why people expect to be able to use registered trademarks (or sounding alike ones) for similar services and then be pissed off when they get told they can't.. | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Oh, there's a great irony in this article about openness, communication, collaboration and FLOSS principles: "Sorry, comments are closed on this post." | 16:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: there are some valid points in the article | 16:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: "Real FOSS projects work to remove barriers to contribution and reuse, not to erect them." | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: well, except that it is deeply ironic when reading opensuse's own trademark policy and then that sentence, in extended context :P | 16:28 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I don't have problems with the trademark policy | 16:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what I would improve upon is more docs, and more ways to involve community contribution | 16:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: for example MohammadAG told me that he wanted to study the kernel sources, but he was told to wait because the gitorious code is a mess | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: yes, he was told that by me and a week after we switched kernel policy to make things clearer | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | and then thought there was a "upstream only" policy, and people laughed at me, and I went hide in the corner :| | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: eh? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | and then I* | 16:31 |
| Venemo | But MeeGo hasn’t just alienated downstream repackaging, they’ve also managed to drive off a kernel contributor. Specifically, Greg Kroah-Hartman threw in the towel in late November after a lot of fruitless discussions with folks employed to work on MeeGo’s kernel for failing to submit significant changes upstream. --------> WTF? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: fruitless discussion being greg asking every single time if something is upstream or not | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | i see this point raised from time to time, where people imply that meego is "more open" than android, can anyone give any specific reasons why this is the case? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: can you see android vcurrent + 1 development anywhere? | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | i don't know... i guess you're saying you can't :) | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | albanc: Site should be back up, was reconfiguring a redirect. | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | ali1234: android basically dumps the source of the current stable release, and that's it in it about openness | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | albanc: It can't find your account, did you register it recently? | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | ali1234: so its source is open, but it doesn't have an open development model | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: the policy now is more realistic for product development, upstream required in reasonable time | 16:35 |
| Venemo | ali1234: MeeGo on the other hand is fully developed in the open | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | what about other aspects such as community involvement? | 16:35 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: sounds good to me | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | i mean, android has a documented process for submitting patches, same as meego does | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: depends on what you mean by community involvement :) patches towards code in android is likely to be ditched as you are sending a patch to a moving target you can't see | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | so unless you're in the warmth, your patches are difficult | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not saying meego is perfect, because there's areas that's still a bit annoying, but it could be a lot worse :P | 16:39 |
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| ali1234 | is android really that bad though? | 16:39 |
| Venemo | ali1234: I think so, yes. but if you ask Android fans, you may get another response | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://source.android.com/faqs.html | 16:41 |
| Bostik | ali1234: at least the stock applications are utterly impossible for real work use: default calendar depends on google account and uses the remote calendar as storage backend; for my part, I do not want *any* of my appointments known to a major snoop | 16:42 |
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| Bostik | I can even imagine quite a lot of situations where such a thing would violate several security policy chapters | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | Bostik: none of that stuff is open source, just like the nokia meego UX which connects to ovi account probably won't be open source | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | with AOSP you can't use your google login... | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i'm however willing to admit that i don't know deep specifics about android contribution practices, but what i do know of, meego does better in terms of openness | 16:44 |
| Venemo | ali1234: suffice it to say, there are MeeGo reference application which are open source and will be there for anyone to use. regardless of what Nokia or other manufacturers will make. | 16:45 |
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| ali1234 | Venemo: but it's fair to say that the quality of those applications will depend upon the community to support them. there's nothing to stop the community adding vanilla apps to AOSP... | 16:47 |
| RST38h | ali: AFAIK Android is not open to contributions | 16:48 |
| RST38h | ali: Developed internally by Google, released as they see fit | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | their webpage says it is... just as the meego webpage says it is... if you want to talk about disparity between actions and words, meego has plenty of that too... | 16:48 |
| RST38h | ali: There was also some controversy when Linux kernel aristocracy refused to accept their kernel patches | 16:48 |
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| RST38h | ali: I am not saying that Meego is open to contributions, not this. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | s/not/note | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: talking about patches getting dumped ... i wrote patches for symbian :) | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but really, the trademark stuff is stupid ... debian has trademark terms too ... everyone does ... if i tried to make a distribution called debian, the Debian Legal team would flame me into oblivian | 16:49 |
| ali1234 | my question is not "why does android suck?" it's "what's the different between android and meego?" | 16:49 |
| Venemo | RST38h: so in your opinion MeeGo is not open to contributions? | 16:49 |
| RST38h | Venemo: I do not know. Probably not much, but that is my guess | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's even a patch escalation process, so we are open to patches | 16:50 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: did they accept your patch for Symbian? (what did it to btw?) | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | and it's even without paperwork, just signed-off-by | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:50 |
| RST38h | ali: Was that a rhetorical question or do you expect an answer? | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: one of them was accepted | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | after about 8 months | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it was a spelling fix | 16:50 |
| Venemo | ehh. | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. hundreds of changes | 16:51 |
| ali1234 | RST38h: bit of both | 16:51 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Having a process does not mean anyone can follow it to the end, but anyway | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: the point was to see how their process for taking patches worked | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | the answer was "very poorly" | 16:51 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: ridiculous, especially considering that you work for the same company | 16:51 |
| albanc | X-Fade, yes, I created it today | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... it technically worked | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: actually, that made it worse | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i could call the people if i wanted to | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but because we shared an employer, i was *required* to use my employer's email address | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | (hello spam) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and every month they forced the account to be locked | 16:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | to ensure that i was still employed by the employer when i next tried to use it | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: ok, so, differences: open development, daily, weekly and live dumps of source code, meego.gitorious.org. patches submittable through open process. open roadmap process (you can see what's planned for 1.2, for instance).. probably more examples | 16:52 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: why is that? | 16:52 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: interesting | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: what android does better is the amount of standard board adaptations, though :P | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: since my commit agreement was between nokia and symbian | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | if i ceased to be employed by nokia, my commit agreement would be void | 16:52 |
| Venemo | ah! | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but they had no way of knowing if i ceased | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so instead, they locked the account monthly | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | a reset involved sending a new email to the address | 16:53 |
| Venemo | still ridiculous. | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | which ensured i was still employed (or w/in a couple of weeks of having left) | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, absolutely | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: well ok, you have the roadmap and the dev versions visible... but that is all still (possibly) one-way... | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: as well as http://source.android.com/source/cla-individual.html vs signed-off-by | 16:54 |
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| ali1234 | ok, that's a good one | 16:54 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what does signed-off-by mean? | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: signed-off-by is more or less a review | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | nah, there is reviewed-by: for that | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: http://kerneltrap.org/files/Jeremy/DCO.txt | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: in terms of getting things on the roadmap, there's a thing regarding support, ie, two roles must exist, implementor and QA and you 'own' the feature, ie, you commit to supporting the feature/keeping it maintained, or it gets dumped | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: see /msg for my other story :) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's practically nothing against a loose band of community members performing those roles, as long as it gets done :P | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: what's new in IVI land anyway? | 17:05 |
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| mortenmj | my repo appears to be down. is there something wrong with repo.pub.meego.com? | 17:30 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | mortenmj: Should be ok now again. | 17:39 |
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| CosmoHill | works for me now | 17:41 |
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| albanc | X-Fade, lbt_away : Is my Meego account 'albanc' now visible to you by any chance? | 18:05 |
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| albanc | X-Fade, lbt_away : rgs_ would like the same access btw (login: 'rgs') | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | albanc: No, but we seem to have a delay in the account sync from meego.com. I'm trying to find out why that happens. | 18:06 |
| albanc | ok. Thanks! | 18:06 |
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| Cotulla | hello | 18:30 |
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| Ans5i | meego sdk 1.1 says that kqemu is not working in vista 64bit. is there easy hack for work-around | 18:30 |
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| Ans5i | *sigh | 18:32 |
| Ans5i | even it's not supported... | 18:35 |
| Venemo | Ans5i: try running in compatibility mode? [joke] | 18:40 |
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| Ans5i | Venemo: life is too short for that. :) | 18:55 |
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| GAN900 | Bugzilla doesn't distinguish between bugs and features? | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | Huh? | 19:02 |
| sivang | where's that? | 19:04 |
| sivang | http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolsh/4162961890/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 19:04 |
| sivang | GAN900: nope | 19:04 |
| sivang | GAN900: not at least as I experienced it | 19:04 |
| GAN900 | Bizarre | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: good bugzilla queries are an art | 19:04 |
| sivang | Stskeeps++ | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, indeed they are. | 19:05 |
| sivang | GAN900: I go to "my bugs" everytime I want to see my feature requests | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | Just saw Rudolf's roadmap email. | 19:05 |
| sivang | GAN900: bugzilla used to not want to speak with me when I just started with it | 19:05 |
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| * sivang wish he had time to follow roadmap mail | 19:05 | |
| tgall_foo | is anyone here familiar with libbmeipc ? specifically trying to find the git tree for it ... not seeing it on meego.gitorious.com .. thanks | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | You have to know how to pet it just right. | 19:06 |
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| sivang | GAN900: seems like it. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | tgall_foo: i don't think there's one | 19:06 |
| sivang | dneary: | 19:06 |
| sivang | dneary: | 19:06 |
| tgall_foo | hmm I'm trying to build qmsystem and it's a dep for it ... any idea where to find the source for it ? | 19:07 |
| dneary | sivang: | 19:07 |
| dneary | sivang: | 19:07 |
| sivang | dneary: sorry :) | 19:07 |
| sivang | dneary: stupid kbd | 19:07 |
| dneary | sivang: No problem :) | 19:07 |
| sivang | dneary: where was that photo taken out of your flicker photostream? :) | 19:07 |
| sivang | dneary: SF? | 19:07 |
| dneary | sivang, Which one? | 19:07 |
| sivang | dneary: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolsh/4162961890/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 19:08 |
| dneary | sivang, Barcelona weekend | 19:08 |
| sivang | dneary: ah, Maemo? | 19:08 |
| dneary | sivang, GAN900 could have told you that :) | 19:08 |
| sivang | dneary: the date says yes | 19:09 |
| * sivang goes back to pet asterisk | 19:09 | |
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| dneary | I love peeling mandarines like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolsh/4166366279/in/photostream/#/photos/bolsh/4166366279/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 19:09 |
| sivang | dneary: yes I was wondering about that one | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | tgall_foo: for meego? | 19:10 |
| * sivang listens to tube's Gilmore mix and feels like being in the UK and not just passing through heathrow | 19:10 | |
| tgall_foo | Stskeeps, yeah | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | tgall_foo: talk to marquiz - you shouldn't use libbmeipc in the platform, it's hardware specific | 19:11 |
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| tgall_foo | Stskeeps, ok thanks ! | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | lo DawnFoster, welcome back from vacation! | 19:13 |
| DawnFoster | hey Stskeeps! Thanks! | 19:14 |
| sivang | hey DawnFoster | 19:14 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: was just about to ping you for IRC metrics :) | 19:14 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: how was it? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: will put it on my list to do then | 19:14 |
| DawnFoster | hey sivang. it was lovely. I had about 10 days off & turned my Intel email off entirely :) | 19:14 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: no hurry - i'm buried with other stuff | 19:15 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: hehe, exchange? | 19:16 |
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| mortenmj | who do i bribe to set up a team account on the build service? | 19:34 |
| mortenmj | right now we're all using my personal repository. it would be nice to have one several people could contribute to | 19:35 |
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| torchie_pre | is meego destined to be mostly on x86 based devices | 19:52 |
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| araujo | arm platforms are getting a strong attention too .... | 19:53 |
| * thiago guesses more ARM devices in the beginning | 19:54 | |
| thiago | but of course that's not Intel's strategy :-) | 19:54 |
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| DawnFoster | mortenmj: I think you need to bribe lbt :) | 19:56 |
| mortenmj | DawnFoster: does he accept bribes in the form of cake? | 19:56 |
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| DawnFoster | mortenmj: ha! you can try | 19:57 |
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| mortenmj | DawnFoster: did you have a good christmas? | 19:57 |
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| DawnFoster | mortenmj: I had a great christmas - I took about 10 days off, ignored work email and hung out with family in Ohio | 19:59 |
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| mortenmj | DawnFoster: sounds awesome. are we talking out in the sticks ohio? | 20:01 |
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| DawnFoster | mortenmj: way out in the sticks on a farm. 70 miles from the nearest airport and 15-20 miles from the nearest grocery store :) | 20:01 |
| mortenmj | that sounds great | 20:02 |
| DawnFoster | mortenmj: how was your holiday? | 20:02 |
| mwichmann | hey, that sounds familiar :) | 20:02 |
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| mortenmj | my cousin owns the family farm. i like to hang out there for a week or so during summer, working | 20:02 |
| mortenmj | DawnFoster: my christmas was really great. got to meet family i haven't seen in a while, and went to a couple of good parties | 20:03 |
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| DawnFoster | mortenmj: sounds like fun! | 20:03 |
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| mortenmj | DawnFoster: it was the bob-omb | 20:06 |
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| DawnFoster | mwichmann: where in the sticks did you spend your holiday? :) | 20:08 |
| nightwalk | pfft...being out in the sticks is hardly 'fun'. Better than being in a city that lacks a subway system, though ;) | 20:08 |
| mwichmann | here at home: which fits that description you listed :) | 20:08 |
| mwichmann | (it's not a farm, but otherwise... | 20:09 |
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| vgrade | Dawnfoster, do you know how I can get one of those 4 pandaboards from TI? | 20:10 |
| DawnFoster | it's a bit of a shock to my system to go from being a block to the nearest bus stop, 2 blocks to the nearest restaurant / bar & 3 blocks to the nearest grocery store :) | 20:10 |
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| mortenmj | speaking of pandaboards, i need to remind TI of the ones they promised me they'd give my university... | 20:10 |
| DawnFoster | vgrade: hmmm, not sure - check with Jayabharath Goluguri | 20:11 |
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| vgrade | is he the TI guy> | 20:11 |
| * Stskeeps thinks so | 20:11 | |
| dm8tbr | yes jay is one of the TI guys | 20:12 |
| vgrade | I thought there was going to be some sort of community procedure for dishing these things out | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | I got my panda from him too | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | that was through PEAP-phase1 though | 20:13 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program | 20:14 |
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| nightwalk | Anyone tried booting the n900 image on droid/2/X hardware? | 20:40 |
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| abner | ppl, I wanna install the meego-sdk package inside a debian box, but I don't know if it's going to be installed in an isolated path or not. Is it installing files only in the /opt dir or also in the /usr, /etc, etc.? | 20:44 |
| thiago | list the package contents before you install them | 20:45 |
| thiago | btw, why do you care? | 20:45 |
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| abner | thiago, I have other sdks here, so I don't wanna overwrite them | 20:46 |
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| thiago | can't happen with packages | 20:46 |
| thiago | packages check that they don't overwrite other packages' files | 20:46 |
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| abner | thiago, that's the point, the files were not installed by a package. Anyway, I'll give it a lucky shot :) | 20:47 |
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| jayabharath | mortenmj: hi! let me chat directly with you on the detail of the board that you mention was promised to you... need to know who/when where etc so that I can chase it up for you | 20:52 |
| thiago | abner: try listing the contents of the package before installation | 20:52 |
| abner | thiago, too late! lets hope it works :) | 20:53 |
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| Qantourisc | Will Meego feature a standard-linux-stack compatible envirement for software ? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | you need to elaborate a little more :) | 21:35 |
| Qantourisc | right-clicking, hovering, keyboard input | 21:36 |
| nightwalk | From what I've seen, meego is a lot more linux-like than android | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: on what vertical? handset, netbook, what? | 21:36 |
| nightwalk | Unless I'm mistaken, they even chose rpm as the packaging format (so no .apk silliness) | 21:36 |
| Qantourisc | nightwalk: android is java on top of linux, it's like running emacs and putting all your software in there :) | 21:36 |
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| nightwalk | Qantourisc: not entirely. All of the system-level stuff is still C ;) | 21:37 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: handset | 21:37 |
| Qantourisc | nightwalk: :) | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: keyboard input is a given, hovering is more of an app feature, right clicking is tap-to-hold | 21:37 |
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| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: how is hover a app feature ? | 21:38 |
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| Qantourisc | (we might have a symatical error here) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: probably, what do you mean by it? | 21:38 |
| nightwalk | Google's java can't really be called 'java', either. Think most people incorrectly call it 'davlik' for lack of a more succinct designation | 21:38 |
| Qantourisc | hover "mouse move to position A without clikcing" | 21:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Qantourisc: a cursor on a touch ui is bad :) | 21:39 |
| Qantourisc | if you happen to run uncoverted applications ... one might desire it from time to time | 21:39 |
| nightwalk | The core & netbook mixes are probably the most like a linux distro, I'd imagine | 21:40 |
| Qantourisc | Stskeeps: so what is hover for you then ? | 21:40 |
| nightwalk | The handset mix is necessarily going to deviate significantly from the standard desktop due to the form factor and differences in available inputs/hardware/etc | 21:40 |
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| zariz | i saw article that say nokia is implementin 99% main-sream x server and it is more like maemo than meego. Is it right? Can i get mobile phone with real linux like n900 but better hardware? | 21:53 |
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| thiago | yes, you'll be able to get it | 21:54 |
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| thiago | meego is a normal Linux distribution, but with a specific purpose | 21:54 |
| Robot101 | the X server doesn't actually impact very much - it's just part of the display driver - close to upstream means they're doing open source well | 21:55 |
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| Venemo | nightwalk: you are correct, yes | 21:55 |
| lbt | mortenmj: hey.... | 21:58 |
| mortenmj | hey lbt | 21:58 |
| lbt | where's my cake? | 21:58 |
| zariz | Robot101: If intel is going to wayland and nokia is for X then. They both have same kernel, low level gnu components And Qt? | 21:59 |
| thiago | who said nokia is going to stick to X? | 21:59 |
| Robot101 | meego is currently using X | 21:59 |
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| Venemo | what the heck is wayland? | 22:00 |
| mortenmj | lbt: team account first, cake later | 22:00 |
| mortenmj | Venemo: the future! | 22:00 |
| Venemo | mortenmj: why is that? | 22:00 |
| mortenmj | because X is an ancient, lumbering beast | 22:00 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: a replacement display protocol for compositors | 22:00 |
| zariz | thiago: i think it in phoronix that said it. | 22:00 |
| Venemo | so who cares about wayland if we already have X? | 22:00 |
| Venemo | why reinvent the wheel? | 22:00 |
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| mortenmj | Venemo: because the one we have is crooked and prone to falling off while at speed | 22:01 |
| zariz | Venemo: it was related to seammless boot. | 22:01 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: because X has been bodged too far away from its original design goals/principles to be efficient or maintainable | 22:01 |
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| Venemo | great | 22:01 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: so basically, efficiency, simplicity - the wayland website explains it very well with diagrams | 22:01 |
| lbt | mortenmj: I am planning on doing some work on the whole policy around surrounds/team areas | 22:01 |
| Robot101 | wayland is actually using most of the "wheels" that were added for X in the past 5 years | 22:01 |
| Venemo | Robot101: link pls | 22:02 |
| mortenmj | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ | 22:02 |
| lbt | mortenmj: if you'd like to propose a policy then that'd be useful | 22:02 |
| Robot101 | kernel mode setting, DRI2 memory management, EGLX | 22:02 |
| Robot101 | Venemo: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wayland | 22:02 |
| Qantourisc | Robot101: what are wheels ? | 22:02 |
| mortenmj | lbt: not sure if i know what it would require | 22:02 |
| Venemo | thx mortenmj | 22:02 |
| Venemo | Robot101: ... | 22:02 |
| thiago | zariz: they're wrong | 22:02 |
| Robot101 | Qantourisc: extending the metaphor - like, "reinventing the wheel" | 22:03 |
| lbt | mortenmj: no, me neither off hand | 22:03 |
| thiago | zariz: don't believe phoronix | 22:03 |
| Robot101 | zariz: at the moment MeeGo (Intel and Nokia) uses X. if MeeGo changes to Wayland, both Intel and Nokia will be using Wayland. | 22:03 |
| Robot101 | zariz: so there's no difference at the moment, and really, it won't have a very big impact on anything | 22:03 |
| Robot101 | Qt on X is already working using client side windowless rendering | 22:03 |
| thiago | Qt also runs on the current Wayland servers | 22:04 |
| Robot101 | all that changing to Wayland will do is simplify the compositor / window manager architecture and performance | 22:04 |
| mortenmj | lbt: cake and grief counselling will be available at the conclusion of your work | 22:04 |
| lbt | mortenmj: I've not really thought it through but maybe you could find a wiki page to propose/describe your OBS group? | 22:04 |
| lbt | heh | 22:04 |
| mortenmj | lbt: dude, what. i just need to set up a project on the OBS, be able to add users to it, give them various levels of access, set permissions for the various packages in our project | 22:05 |
| zariz | So Qt is there to stay. All i want is mobile computer | 22:05 |
| mortenmj | i.e. phil and ted can update foo, but not bar | 22:05 |
| zariz | with linux | 22:05 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: oh, and setting other people as team admins besides myself, so they can add new maintainers | 22:05 |
| Robot101 | zariz: the N900 is a mobile computer with linux. any successor products will also be. | 22:06 |
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| wmarone | might be | 22:06 |
| wmarone | we don't know anything about Nokia's plans for the future | 22:06 |
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| thiago | so all the announcements that there will be a meego device in 2011 don't mean anything? | 22:06 |
| mortenmj | thiago: what? meego is a linux distro. what Robot101 said is perfectly valid | 22:07 |
| wmarone | they might not, all depends on what nokia does internally | 22:07 |
| lbt | mortenmj: you can do that in your home area | 22:07 |
| lbt | you know you can create subprojects ? | 22:07 |
| lbt | yes | 22:07 |
| thiago | mortenmj: meego requires X today | 22:07 |
| lbt | (laggy ... sry) | 22:07 |
| mortenmj | thiago: and? | 22:07 |
| thiago | mortenmj: when meego requires wayland, everyone using meego will use wayland | 22:07 |
| thiago | be that intel, nokia, amino or anyone else. | 22:08 |
| mortenmj | this is true of any linux distro that will one day move to wayland, but okay | 22:08 |
| thiago | but unlike a generic distro, meego will not give you the option | 22:08 |
| thiago | once meego switches, X is gone | 22:08 |
| zariz | Robot101: i thought so before i read those (false) articles. | 22:08 |
| thiago | well, the X server. The X libraries may stick around for a while. | 22:08 |
| mortenmj | i don't think you've read the wayland website, bbut okay | 22:09 |
| thiago | is there anything there that contradicts what I said? | 22:09 |
| mortenmj | i still don't see what you're getting at. what is the issue here? | 22:09 |
| thiago | i don't know either | 22:10 |
| mortenmj | yes. phasing out X will happen gradually. nothing will break over night | 22:10 |
| Robot101 | mortenmj: I don't actually know what you're getting at either tbh | 22:10 |
| mortenmj | Robot101: i have no idea either | 22:10 |
| thiago | zariz seemed to think that nokia would stick with X while the rest of meego moved to wayland | 22:10 |
| mortenmj | he sucked me into some sort of entirely meaningless exchange | 22:10 |
| thiago | mortenmj: well, you can only run one server. | 22:10 |
| Robot101 | the Nokia CEO said on their Q3 earnings call that their meego device will be a 2011 device | 22:10 |
| zariz | now days it is going crazy what nokia does at least in finland. when it is going to be win mobile or what ever. | 22:10 |
| Robot101 | er, 2011 event | 22:10 |
| thiago | mortenmj: so you either run X or you run wayland | 22:10 |
| thiago | mortenmj: not counting emulation layers | 22:11 |
| Robot101 | this seems to be a fairly strong indication that there's likely to be a meego nokia device in 2011 | 22:11 |
| Robot101 | thiago: to be excruciatingly pedantically correct, running X on wayland isn't an emulation layer, it will be the actual X server, just with a different rendering target - like Xephyr is also the real X server | 22:11 |
| thiago | Robot101: fair enough | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | so if i run X11 apps in wayland, they'll be trapped inside a separate window like as if i ran them in xephyr? | 22:12 |
| Robot101 | ali1234: no, it can be made rootless | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | because that sounds like it would really suck | 22:12 |
| Robot101 | like the X server on OS X or Win32 | 22:12 |
| Robot101 | makes new top-level windows for each X client | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | the X server on OS X is completely awful, i was about to mention that | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | X11 apps under OS X are like second class citizens, the experience of using them is horrible | 22:13 |
| Robot101 | well given its mostly X developers hacking on Wayland, I guess they'll sort it out | 22:13 |
| Robot101 | but, Qt, Gtk and Clutter are all ported or being ported to run natively on Wayland | 22:13 |
| thiago | but expect that, after a while, X-on-Wayland experience will drop | 22:13 |
| Robot101 | but on MeeGo once Qt is ported, boom - everything will just work and X can be deleted from MeeGo | 22:13 |
| Robot101 | on the linux desktop only emacs or something will need X, everything else will be covered when the main widget sets are ported | 22:14 |
| Robot101 | and, well, if you like to live in the 80s you can use slackware and stick with the X server :) | 22:14 |
| Robot101 | http://fuckyeahx11.tumblr.com/ :D | 22:15 |
| zariz | is there any info about kde is merged to qt. can't remember where i read about that. but many qt linux apps needs kde libs | 22:15 |
| thiago | zariz: that's because they are kde apps, that's why they use kde libs | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | qt is to kde as gtk is to gnome | 22:16 |
| thiago | zariz: kdelibs won't get merged. However, there's some effort to bring in functionality provided by those libs. | 22:16 |
| thiago | again, stop believing everything you read in phoronix | 22:16 |
| thiago | that was another really bad article | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | lol phoronix | 22:16 |
| ali1234 | personally i liked their "gallium now supports directx! native games on linux next week!" article | 22:17 |
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| zariz | thiago: better new sites? phoronix joke after steam client articles but i thought i ask guys who know better | 22:19 |
| thiago | well, the right thing to do is come here and get your info from the source | 22:19 |
| thiago | which is what you're doing | 22:19 |
| ali1234 | the trick is to read the articles on phoronix and then do your own research to get the real story, so yeah... | 22:20 |
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| Zuhaitz | But Linux is from 91, Robot101, so slackware cant be 80s.. | 22:27 |
| Zuhaitz | :-) | 22:27 |
| dm8tbr | Zuhaitz: details!!!111! | 22:27 |
| Robot101 | Zuhaitz: ok, BSD...? :P | 22:28 |
| Zuhaitz | hehe | 22:28 |
| thiago | maybe patrick had a time machine | 22:28 |
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| mmc | so using Emacs is associated with (living in the 80s and) using Slackware? | 22:43 |
| lbt | yes | 22:44 |
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| ScottishDuck | Gentoo4Lyfe | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: in prjconf, how would i evaluate something based on what repo it is? like standard vs postchecks for instance | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | %if %{something} == "standard" kinda thing | 22:47 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: yes... the opensuse ones have some good examples | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 22:47 |
| lbt | we should define some of those in MeeGo | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | %if "%_repository" for future ref | 22:48 |
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| Venemo | hi again | 23:26 |
| Venemo | mortenmj: I looked at the wayland page | 23:26 |
| Venemo | mortenmj: so if I understand correctly, in wayland the server and the compositor are merged together? | 23:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Zonker's hot-off-the-presses critique of MeeGo: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7929/ | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: yeah, was discusssed a little bit earlier.. | 23:28 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Sorry to have missed, Stskeeps. I need to cut out that sleeping stuff and get with the program! | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | sleeping is overrated, indeed ;) | 23:30 |
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| Stskeeps | but my point back then was that it fails to really analyze what was going on and doesn't really stick to looking at the facts and analysing those, just feels more like an angry post instead :P | 23:31 |
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| dm8tbr | .oO(sleep, for the weak she is) | 23:34 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks dm8tbr (slurp). Stskeeps, while the article is negative in tone, I think the points it makes are sound. The Smeegol trademark affair was ugly in my not-speaking-for-employer opinion. MeeGo has not had a smooth path, but we can do better. Speaking of which . . . | 23:37 |
| dm8tbr | which reminds me to register the domain for what I think would be a nice community meego | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | smeegol affair was ugly (but similar policy to many other distros) but trademark confusion was real and had to be dealt with or losing the ability to enforce the trademark in future :/ in terms of package naming and sub-projects, we need to do better and activities related to this exist | 23:39 |
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| dm8tbr | btw when is the next community thing so we can bring up the hw adaptations? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | 14th or something? was on meego-community today i think | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ah, 18th | 23:41 |
| * dm8tbr doesn't have time for reading MLs right now. I'm now in charge of a project and need to still learn some ropes... :/ | 23:41 | |
| dm8tbr | thanks | 23:41 |
| * dm8tbr puts that on his calendar | 23:41 | |
| dm8tbr | have a time + timezone too? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorm_Jan_18_2011_Website_Improvements | 23:42 |
| dm8tbr | thanks | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: if you were to sum up your main points about community adaptations, what would they be? | 23:44 |
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| Stskeeps | reason i'm asking is because i'm pondering a talk in this area and doing an active effort in it, so i'd like to get my brain chewing on the topic :P | 23:47 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: allow us to do our thing under the MeeGo roof, help us by providing resources we don't have as we're not corporations. | 23:48 |
| dm8tbr | that's it in two sentences | 23:48 |
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| dm8tbr | in very broad and kind terms | 23:48 |
| dm8tbr | see I tried to word it positive | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: ok, that should do the trick - ta | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: next question is if you'd help organise this under community office if we find a good solution :) | 23:50 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: and if it proves necessary I have a nice name that isn't too close to MeeGo and could serve as an community-umbrella. | 23:50 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I thought I was already doing so? ;) | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: excellent | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'm personally pondering how we can provide a nice environment and path for hardware adaptations from baby to adult | 23:51 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: as long as I'm allowed to drop in that I work for tieto every now and then I might even be able to convince my employer to give me some time/help. | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | this method would apply for any distro, no matter if it's company or not | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | adult being part of meego release process, naturally :P | 23:52 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | and distro being hw adaptaton | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | cos this path is bumpy like hell atm | 23:52 |
| dm8tbr | although we should keep in mind that not all will want to grow up | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | (and i'm sure even companies can agree on that) | 23:53 |
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| Stskeeps | 'meego hardware adaptations from cradle to grave'? ;) | 23:56 |
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| dm8tbr | although I do see that the process is simillar I think it will be important to show a clear path for both professional adaptations and community adaptations | 23:59 |
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| CosmoHill | adaptions? you mean hitting it with a hammer? | 23:59 |
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