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| Iraqi | can i insrall meego on htc desire ?8 | 00:22 |
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| CosmoHill | that depends, can you wait more than 60 seconds for someone to reply? | 00:24 |
| Chani | hehehe | 00:26 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: probably did it real fast and doesn't need adivce now | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | whilst I'm in a bad mood ksplice can get knotted, and then fix itself | 00:28 |
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| CosmoHill | aaaaahhh, I have an exam next week :o | 00:36 |
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| lbt | now I have 10mins.... what's the best thing to do with my conference lenovo? | 00:54 |
| lbt | is there a better image to flash? | 00:55 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:57 |
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| v_zaitsev | i would laugh... if I wasn't guilty of having the laptop sit idly on the corner of my desk for 2 weeks now.. | 01:00 |
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| berndhs | 10 minutes is too short for a beer. Vodka or Tequila maybe, but even that's pushing it. | 01:01 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Not sure myself. VKB and chrome-scrolling makes it semi-usable as a tablet for quick email checks | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I tried Jolicloud, but it's currently sitting on the bookshelf. | 01:02 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: Battery life's excellent. Dunno where the charger is but it has juice whenever I just want to check something and have no other computer on (or the N900 is too piddly) | 01:02 |
| lbt | Jaffa: the cat is now used to using it as a step to climb onto my desktop.... I figured that was a bad sign.... | 01:02 |
| kaushik | what is ttyMFD2? | 01:02 |
| kaushik | I am getting respawning too fast | 01:02 |
| kaushik | for echo "s1:235:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyMFD2 vt100" >> /etc/inittab | 01:03 |
| lbt | kaushik: something in /etc/inittab | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I'd be interested in trying Linpus Tablet on it; but they're touting that for OEMs only. | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, the battery life is amazing | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i still use it once in a while | 01:03 |
| kaushik | lbt: I looked at the inittab and particularly for the id that I am facing | 01:03 |
| timeless_mbp | (but it's still w7starter) | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | lbt: AFAICT, the best OS for a tablet/netbook hybrid (or really even just a tablet available separately) is Win7. | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | lbt: It's just a market segment that FLOSS hasn't looked at; and even MeeGo missed it. | 01:04 |
| kaushik | lbt:no luck by commenting it out ... and i am sure abt the baudrate too | 01:04 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: I think the lack of some really basic stuff (sound) put me off too much | 01:05 |
| dm8tbr | Jaffa: the win7 ui is not touch friendly at all. | 01:05 |
| lbt | kaushik: ttyMFD2 is a very very odd thing | 01:06 |
| lbt | do you have something similar in : ls /dev/tty* | 01:06 |
| kaushik | lbt: no i dnt have ttyMFD2 in /dev | 01:06 |
| lbt | kaushik: so... that's not going to do much then :) | 01:07 |
| kaushik | so i removed it from inittab .but then I am not getting to login on VT | 01:07 |
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| lbt | kaushik: what OS? and what are you trying to do? | 01:08 |
| kaushik | its meego. I am just trying to boot it on mrst platform | 01:09 |
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| Jaffa | dm8tbr: Ah, fair enough. So everything sucks. | 01:10 |
| lbt | kaushik: normal meego seems to be using mingetty | 01:11 |
| kaushik | this one is using agetty | 01:11 |
| lbt | ah, there is an agetty | 01:11 |
| lbt | yeah | 01:11 |
| lbt | so dmesg | grep tty ? | 01:12 |
| lbt | may show you if anything found a tty device during boot | 01:12 |
| kaushik | I am not able type any command | 01:12 |
| kaushik | as I am not able to login from VT | 01:12 |
| lbt | ssh? | 01:12 |
| kaushik | ssh may not work ..this is very initial work on the hardware | 01:13 |
| lbt | and you have no simple tty[0123] ? | 01:14 |
| kaushik | yes I have tty0123 and ttyS0 | 01:14 |
| lbt | OK ... so why are you using ttyMFD2 ? | 01:15 |
| lbt | I guess you're playing with the image before inserting it into the device to boot? | 01:15 |
| kaushik | Ok .. I removed ttyMFD2..still there is a problem .. I am not able to login to meego or shell | 01:16 |
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| kaushik | yes .. I have my own image. using kernel-mrst and mrst support | 01:16 |
| lbt | so what's in /etc/inittab now ? | 01:17 |
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| kaushik | there is s0:235:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt100 | 01:19 |
| kaushik | there is no S1 so it does not give any error | 01:20 |
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| lbt | so that's trying to start an agetty on the serial port .... yes? | 01:20 |
| kaushik | yes | 01:21 |
| lbt | and there's nothing like : 1:235:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 | 01:21 |
| kaushik | i have | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 1:235:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear tty1 | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 2:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 3:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3 | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 4:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4 | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 5:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5 | 01:22 |
| kaushik | 6:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 | 01:22 |
| lbt | use pastie.org ... | 01:22 |
| kaushik | Sorry :P | 01:22 |
| lbt | OK ... so they should put something on the VTs... | 01:22 |
| lbt | ctrl-alt-Fn<N> ??? | 01:23 |
| lbt | (not sure how much of this you know ;) ) | 01:23 |
| kaushik | what is ctl-alt-fn? | 01:23 |
| kaushik | they put out kernel-msgs but I dnt get to enter username and pwd | 01:24 |
| lbt | press crtl + alt + a function key | 01:24 |
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| lbt | ctrl-alt-Fn1 => VT1 | 01:24 |
| lbt | ctrl-alt-Fn2 => VT2 | 01:24 |
| lbt | etc | 01:24 |
| kaushik | oh k .. on meego i can not do that ..as the hardware does not have keyb oard ...just a touchscreen | 01:25 |
| lbt | hehe | 01:26 |
| lbt | usb keyboard? | 01:26 |
| kaushik | sadly no :( | 01:26 |
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| lbt | so.... what were you planning on typing when you got the VT ?????? | 01:27 |
| lbt | do you have a serial port? | 01:27 |
| lbt | and a serial console/terminal | 01:28 |
| kaushik | so ... i tried the other image ..which is netbook-mrst image and i get to enter loginname and password?? | 01:28 |
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| kaushik | yes I do have a serial port | 01:28 |
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| kaushik | and terminal | 01:28 |
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| lbt | so if you connect it and uncomment the s0 entry (the one using ttyS0) then you may find that works | 01:28 |
| lbt | nb ... do you know what getty is? and how inittab works? | 01:29 |
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| kaushik | no i dnt know abt it in depth but i can understand the things from getty man page | 01:29 |
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| kaushik | lbt: i am trying the same thing that u suggested | 01:30 |
| lbt | OK - not much needed. getty gives you a login prompt | 01:30 |
| kaushik | trying to remove the S0 | 01:30 |
| lbt | mmm not remove the S0 | 01:30 |
| lbt | s0:235:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt100 | 01:30 |
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| kaushik | ok. .. u suggesting not to remove it ?? | 01:31 |
| lbt | no | 01:31 |
| lbt | uncomment it | 01:31 |
| lbt | you want it active | 01:31 |
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| lbt | means .... s0 is just a label. 235 runlevels to start in . respawn = rerun if it exits. then the getty command creates the login prompt | 01:32 |
| kaushik | yeah I tried to make it active ... but no luck with it | 01:32 |
| lbt | so you may as well copy that to | 01:32 |
| lbt | s1:235:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 115200 ttyS1 vt100 | 01:32 |
| lbt | and have both | 01:32 |
| kaushik | ok ..thats a good idea | 01:32 |
| lbt | bbiam..... cat wants food :) | 01:32 |
| tmzt | does mrst have it's own serial port driver? | 01:33 |
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| vgrade | hi guys | 02:08 |
| vgrade | I have some book vouchers | 02:08 |
| vgrade | fancy qt/qml | 02:08 |
| vgrade | any recommendations? | 02:09 |
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| vgrade | seen this one, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Nokia-Apps-Development-OpenSymbian/dp/1430231777/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1293494691&sr=8-3 | 02:09 |
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| lolloo | thanks dude for this book! | 02:12 |
| lolloo | more please if you have info. | 02:12 |
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| araujo | lcuk, did it break? ... zypper upgrading can break the system yes | 03:02 |
| araujo | :( | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i sorta kinda got some of it back araujo | 03:02 |
| lcuk | netbook completely went away until I ran xchat on it | 03:02 |
| lcuk | then it magically reappeared | 03:02 |
| lcuk | and handset has no clicker or menu | 03:03 |
| araujo | :P | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | araujo, is your zypper managing to update now? | 03:05 |
| araujo | lcuk, i cannot even access repos from my n900, I am right now trying to fix it :P | 03:06 |
| lcuk | well based on the updates I found ;) maybe its a good thing you can't tonight lol | 03:07 |
| ptl | lucky you, I cannot even access my N900. | 03:10 |
| lcuk | ptl, ? | 03:10 |
| ptl | lcuk: sorry, random rant due to my frustration with my broken N900 :) just ignore me | 03:11 |
| lcuk | :( what did you break? | 03:11 |
| ptl | I dunno. It just stopped working. When I turn it on, the blue Nokia logo appears and stays there for about one minute, then it turns off. It makes this a dozen times then stops, until I remove the battery and plug it in again. I flashed it dozens of times and still it does not boot. | 03:12 |
| ptl | Most probably a deep hardware problem. | 03:12 |
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| ptl | I even tried the meego rescue boot image. | 03:12 |
| ptl | the menu does not appear... | 03:12 |
| ptl | although the screen clears | 03:13 |
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| lcuk | ptl, did you do as you said you would? | 03:14 |
| lcuk | 2010-11-13 (Saturday): | 03:14 |
| lcuk | * ptl will send his fucked-up N900 to Nokia this monday :( | 03:14 |
| ptl | nope | 03:14 |
| ptl | I have to find the receipt | 03:14 |
| ptl | it's here somewhere | 03:15 |
| ptl | :/ | 03:15 |
| ptl | as I am rather busy with some interview preparations (have been for two months), I can't get the time to search for it | 03:15 |
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| ptl | If the N9 had been out, I'd have bought it already | 03:16 |
| ptl | but if the preparations are worth it (the interview is for a job in Switzerland), I will at least live in Europe, closer to most maemo/meego geeks. | 03:18 |
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| MohammadAG | is GTK present on the handset images? | 03:45 |
| beford | at the moment it is | 03:50 |
| beford | the installer is still gtk based at least | 03:50 |
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| Stskeeps | €g 46 | 09:57 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: fell asleep on top the keyboard? | 09:57 |
| timoph | :) | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: gprs lag, in a car in .dk somewherfe | 09:58 |
| timoph | ah | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | should really set up irssi proxy.. | 09:58 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, get a CB whip aerial for your phone! | 10:00 |
| lcuk | you could probably maintain direct connection with home wifi wherever you are :P | 10:00 |
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| dm8tbr | heh a nice 'DV-27 long' :D | 10:02 |
| lcuk | o_O I once had a thunderpole | 10:03 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: fun fact, as a radio-amateur that would really work as you could connect to a gateway via shortwave. only down sides: no encryption allowed and the usable bitrate can be in the two-digit range | 10:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 10:04 |
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| dm8tbr | I think there are still world-convers nodes (chat network somehow predating IRC) on shortwave | 10:05 |
| lcuk | heh | 10:05 |
| lcuk | i was looking at the example key basic features report this morning http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20basic%20feature/Ncdk/435 | 10:06 |
| lcuk | (and which has just been discussed also in the qa-meeting) | 10:06 |
| lcuk | it seems to me that many of the bugs are somehow compositor related | 10:07 |
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| timoph | achipa: \o | 11:01 |
| achipa | timoph: \o | 11:02 |
| timoph | achipa: is that demo you did at TAMK available somewhere? the qml physics engine thingy | 11:02 |
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| achipa | timoph: sure, http://gitorious.org/~achipa/qml-box2d/achipas-qml-box2d | 11:06 |
| timoph | thanks | 11:06 |
| achipa | timoph: though it seems I have not pushed in a while, let me update the stuff | 11:06 |
| timoph | ack | 11:06 |
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| lcuk | timoph, is it possible for you to be pushing a build of this onto the community area? | 11:18 |
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| kyb3R | achipa: \o | 11:19 |
| lcuk | achipa, would you end up adding meego rpm packaging into the already existing qtc_packaging folder? | 11:20 |
| timoph | lcuk: build.pub.? yes. I can add it there | 11:20 |
| achipa | kyb3R: \o | 11:20 |
| lcuk | cool | 11:20 |
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| achipa | lcuk: we seem to have a volunteer :) | 11:20 |
| achipa | merge requests/patches welcome :) | 11:20 |
| timoph | :) | 11:20 |
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| lcuk | achipa, heh, well timoph has prior form for bringing apps to meego! | 11:21 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 11:21 |
| lcuk | it would be good to have a packaging patch directly in the gitorious - so that people can learn the differences, from what I can see your debian folder is the minimum required and simplistic and understandable already | 11:23 |
| Appiah | I compiled a software on meego that i'd like to use, if I package it , how do I get it to meego repos? | 11:24 |
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| thresh | ohai | 11:27 |
| thresh | I want to build my application (uses autotools and such) for Meego, where should I start? I've installed Meego SDK on my system and created the target. | 11:30 |
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| RST38h | 1) Get rid of autotools | 11:36 |
| RST38h | 2) Accept qmake as your new lord | 11:36 |
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| thresh | not possible :) | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | Then go directly to item 3) Suffer! | 11:38 |
| thresh | well that just cant be the only way | 11:39 |
| RST38h | [Actually, either look for "local obs" on the Net or contact lbt] | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: for non meego api stuff community obs or your own obs setup is besgt | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | best | 11:39 |
| thresh | so getting meego sdk and meego runtime is not enough? | 11:40 |
| RST38h | Because Meego SDK (aka MADDE) is basically a crosscompiling toolchain, it will choke on autoconf | 11:40 |
| thresh | oh ok | 11:40 |
| thresh | I was hoping it was possible to build while logged in to qemu image | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | thresh: sure you can, just zypper install stuff | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | (for x86) | 11:41 |
| thresh | ok, that should be better for the first time | 11:41 |
| thresh | need to adapt spec file mostly now | 11:41 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Is there a similar qemu based setup for the ARM though? | 11:41 |
| thresh | x86 is good enough right now | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes, but not actively working with UI. even a n900 could be used for devel | 11:42 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: GUI isn't much of an issue, just need something to compile apps on | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: MADDE works for my apps (no autoconf), but there are others. And it does look like OBS is too heavy to be practical. | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ok | 11:45 |
| thresh | I don't care for GUI | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: would love to discuss but am on slow gprs :P | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 11:46 |
| sandst1 | RST38h: You can make an armv7 loopback image, modify the zypper repos to daily, update to the latest and start compiling inside chroot | 11:46 |
| RST38h | Aha | 11:47 |
| Venemo | can MeeGo make phonecalls with the earpiece yet? | 11:47 |
| sandst1 | RST38h: i guess you've read this? http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 11:47 |
| RST38h | sandst: not yet | 11:51 |
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| sandst1 | RST38h: ookay. here's the quick steps on how to do it: http://pastebin.com/XSbjMCU1 (use Fedora for armv7 image creation, ia32 works with e.g. ubuntu too) | 11:53 |
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| sandst1 | RST38h: and you will need things such as qemu-arm-static for creating the image | 11:55 |
| sandst1 | http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Setting_up_your_development_environment | 11:55 |
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| RST38h | thanks! (saving instructions) | 11:57 |
| sandst1 | RST38h: oh, and for the kickstart, add '@Development Tools' and '@Development Libraries' to the package groups + set part --size e.g. to 3000 to have enough space in your chroot | 11:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, direct on n900, how long does your app take to build? | 11:59 |
| lcuk | have you actually tried? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | No idea, have not tried | 11:59 |
| thresh | VLC would probably be done in a week. | 12:00 |
| thresh | i mean, compile on n900 :) | 12:00 |
| lcuk | yeah well thats understandable | 12:01 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, I do not think so | 12:08 |
| Venemo | thx lcuk | 12:08 |
| Mat_Matan | bry [morning] | 12:08 |
| lcuk | Venemo, theres a mail on -dev at the moment "pulseaudio reversion plan" | 12:09 |
| lcuk | which says: | 12:09 |
| lcuk | Pulseaudio will be downgraded to 0.9.19 due to integrating patches for policy framework and voice call features. We plan to integrate the new PA package after the holiday (Jan 3) for QA's testing. | 12:09 |
| lcuk | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/7645 | 12:10 |
| lcuk | which I believe would be related to your question | 12:10 |
| lcuk | hi Mat_Matan | 12:10 |
| Venemo | great, thank you lcuk | 12:11 |
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| Macer | lcuk: | 12:17 |
| Macer | hey! | 12:17 |
| lcuk | !yeh | 12:18 |
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| Macer | how goes in this dog eat dog world? | 12:18 |
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| magius_pendragon | hey guys, have a couple questions for things I'm trying to get working. Firstly, does the initial login screen not use pam? It doesn't seem to be catching changes in my /etc/pam.d/system-auth file | 12:38 |
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| thresh | hmm, when I issue the sudo mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron command, it starts the qemu, and then after 10 seconds or so shutdowns itself | 13:53 |
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| thresh | it looks like it enter 1024x600 resolution (starts X?) and then dies | 13:54 |
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| thresh | how do I debug it? | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | try init level 3? | 13:57 |
| thresh | uhm, on my host machine? | 13:57 |
| thresh | QEMU_NOGRAPHIC=yes also fails (as I can see in ps) | 13:58 |
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| niala1 | hello | 14:06 |
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| thresh | looks like I have the same error as in http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-September/000308.html | 14:27 |
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| dkw9j | moo | 14:59 |
| dkw9j | mee | 14:59 |
| dkw9j | goo | 14:59 |
| dkw9j | i want moo goo | 14:59 |
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| dkw9j | hey | 15:24 |
| dkw9j | AOE@Ur | 15:24 |
| dkw9j | )@&E#(R | 15:24 |
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| dm8tbr | cat on the kbd? | 15:24 |
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| Termana | dm8tbr, funny you mention that, because my darn cat keeps jumping on the keyboard unwelcome | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 15:31 |
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| dkw9j | kat | 15:33 |
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| CosmoHill | xchat vs ex-cat | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | dkw9j, your cat is strange | 15:47 |
| lcuk | when mine sits on the keyboard all he ever types is "meow" | 15:47 |
| dkw9j | german kat | 15:47 |
| dkw9j | !translate kat | 15:48 |
| dkw9j | dontk now | 15:48 |
| lcuk | "miauen" then | 15:48 |
| lcuk | but this is English speaking channel, so please ask him not to do that | 15:49 |
| dkw9j | clukcluk | 15:49 |
| berndhs | if your cat starts speaking in complete sentences someone needs help, the cat or you. | 15:50 |
| lcuk | berndhs, not complete sentences, he just types meow when hes hungry or something | 15:51 |
| berndhs | ah, nothing to worry about it then | 15:51 |
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| dkw9j | and he types poop on kbd too after eating ? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | dkw9j, don't be silly, he poops outside but waves at the cctv to let me know hes done | 15:56 |
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| * Chani giggles | 15:57 | |
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| kyb3R | :) | 16:02 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: now I have an image of a cat in the garden reading the times | 16:05 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: again, the cat reading is not an issue. The cat writing op-ed for the Times however... | 16:09 |
| v_zaitsev | i guess we're way past the times when a cat can argue on irc.. and win | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | I wouldn't mind a cat but it might try and eat Freddy | 16:10 |
| Bostik | indeed, the modern trolls can't recognise an unwavering opponent | 16:10 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a huge problem with bots on a forum I hang out on | 16:11 |
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| thresh | blergh | 16:12 |
| berndhs | and Schroedinger had it backwards, *we* are the cat in his experiment | 16:12 |
| thresh | seems like qemugl is incompatible with nvidia | 16:12 |
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| sampos | Hello, I want to change my passwd on build.meego.com, can anyone here help ? | 16:51 |
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| iztech | hi i am new too meego and wondering if ivi can be used on a ion board | 17:16 |
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| iztech | it states that it does not include a hd accelerated driver | 17:17 |
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| lcuk | iztech, what is ion board? | 17:18 |
| iztech | atom with ion gpu | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | nvidia | 17:20 |
| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=120 MeeGo on ION? | 17:20 |
| iztech | huh i searched ion and got no hits - weird - thx | 17:20 |
| lcuk | the forum suggests no worky yet. and until someone with specific nvidia knowledge and skills steps forward to help deal with issues.. | 17:21 |
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| Hq` | how do I connect to wifi from command line on meego handset? | 17:23 |
| Hq` | the UI seems to be non-functional in the latest builds | 17:24 |
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| Aard | iwconfig? | 17:24 |
| Hq` | I've tried killing connman and manually running iwconfig, wpa_supplicant but then my attempts are foiled by a missing dhclient | 17:25 |
| Hq` | so I'm assuming dhcp is handled by a connman plugin or something instead? | 17:26 |
| iztech | looks like this guy got i running on ion - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1228 | 17:26 |
| iztech | i searched on IVI forum for ion | 17:26 |
| lcuk | iztech, he said he got it working on his desktop geforce? | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | but really | 17:27 |
| lcuk | please try it yourself | 17:27 |
| lcuk | and if you get it working thats fantastic! | 17:27 |
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| iztech | well i was looking into seeing which board to get for ivi | 17:29 |
| Chani | hmm. 666 unread messages in my meego folder. hehe | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | oh cripes, sorry, that was coke. | 17:30 |
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| apol | is there any way to get gst h264 codecs in meego? | 17:32 |
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| timoph | apol: compile && install them :) | 17:35 |
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| apol | timoph: what? h264 libraries? gst codecs? everything? | 17:36 |
| timoph | dunno. just saying :) | 17:36 |
| apol | ok.. | 17:36 |
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| timoph | I bought the codecs pack from fluendo and everything just works | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | alterego, does your app work with qtmobility on meego handset n900? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | gps elements I mean | 17:50 |
| alterego | No, we don't have GPS | 17:50 |
| alterego | (yet) | 17:51 |
| lcuk | roger | 17:51 |
| alterego | It has some maemo specific UI code in as well, which I've pushed into a more contained area. I want to work on a desktop and meego version | 17:51 |
| alterego | As well as symbian | 17:51 |
| lcuk | do you know which bugs/fea are required/filed? | 17:51 |
| alterego | Erm, we spoke about it in the last meego-arm meeting a couple of weeks ago. | 17:52 |
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| alterego | Can't remember what was decided. | 17:52 |
| lcuk | ok alterego could you just have a glance on bugs. and see if there are any actual bug/fea already there | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | so I can cc myself onto them | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | alterego, ahhh bug 6853 looks likely | 17:54 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6853 nor, Low, 1.2, brian.harring, ASSI, GPS device / gpsd are not configured/run by default | 17:54 |
| lcuk | bug 1308 | 17:55 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1308 nor, Medium, ---, kevron_m_rees, ASSI, Run time status panel Gps On/Off button does not work | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | alterego, but a specific one for qtmobility would help us to keep up | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | bug 10926 | 17:58 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10926 enh, High, 1.1.80.11, sunil.thaha, ACCE, [FEA] QT Mobility 1.1 - Location - Maps & Navigation | 17:58 |
| abhy | is it fine to purchase N900 for dev purpose for Meego apps... or things can be achieved in simulators itself, never tried Meego, just want your advice as I'm seriously looking to go in Meego Dev | 17:58 |
| alterego | Yeah | 17:58 |
| lcuk | bug 11442 | 17:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11442 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] QtMobility Location API needs backend plugin | 17:59 |
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| lcuk | alterego, do you think that covers most of the bases already without new bugs? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | or should we add a mobility 1.2 bug? | 18:00 |
| lcuk | (I am cced on all those now) | 18:00 |
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| alterego | I think our blocker is not having liblocation backend. | 18:02 |
| alterego | Which already exists in Qt Mobility, the problem is N900 MeeGo adaptation doesn't have liblocation (because it's closed) | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | alterego, would you like to describe that in specific terms if its not already done so on existing bug report :) | 18:04 |
| alterego | So we were looking at gettin a short term closed liblocation in for meego 1.2, or, get something done ourselves, which isn't trivial, mainly because of agps | 18:04 |
| lcuk | since you know what is required | 18:04 |
| alterego | Well, I don't know if I know what is required :P | 18:04 |
| alterego | I thought we had already actioned something at the last meeting, I'd ping Stskeeps and see if he remembers :) | 18:04 |
| lcuk | alterego, you having done gps app have looked a lot more closely than I | 18:04 |
| lcuk | and since you already use qt mobility on maemo | 18:05 |
| lcuk | have knowledge of the api itself too | 18:05 |
| lcuk | :) you are in ideal position to at least kickstart it | 18:05 |
| alterego | Well, I did :P | 18:05 |
| lcuk | so wheres the bug ? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | it did not come up in that list did it? | 18:05 |
| alterego | No, none of those look N900 specific, which is what this is. | 18:06 |
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| magius_pendragon | is lbt around? | 18:56 |
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| lbt | indeed I am magius_pendragon.... | 18:59 |
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| lbt | how may I be of service... ? | 18:59 |
| magius_pendragon | lbt: I believe I should ping you about access to the obs? | 18:59 |
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| lbt | yup ... | 18:59 |
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| lbt | sanity check: are you doing opensource development of 'apps' | 19:00 |
| magius_pendragon | not at teh moment, I was actually hoping to use it to get some software that I've been missing into the repos | 19:00 |
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| lbt | OK it's mainly to get you to promise not to try and rebuild all of MeeGo in your home area ;) | 19:01 |
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| lbt | and to ensure you're not looking to build your company's closed code on there | 19:01 |
| magius_pendragon | lbt: sounds reasonable, I saw the thing about the arm guy | 19:01 |
| lbt | your meego account ? | 19:01 |
| magius_pendragon | magiuspendragon | 19:01 |
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| timoph | lbt: btw is there some limitations on what is allowed to be build in obs? e.g. gst ugly plugins | 19:02 |
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| lbt | magius_pendragon: done | 19:04 |
| lbt | timoph: don't break the law :) | 19:04 |
| timoph | :) | 19:04 |
| lbt | timoph: please don't ask me which laws | 19:04 |
| lbt | 'cos in all seriousness... that's the problem | 19:04 |
| * timoph was just about to ask that :) | 19:04 | |
| magius_pendragon | lbt: thanks | 19:05 |
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| lbt | as I mentioned in my slightly irate mail to -community... the box lives in the "land of the free" | 19:05 |
| timoph | ah | 19:05 |
| timoph | understood | 19:05 |
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| lbt | OTOH Intel are rich so they can probably get away with anything .... | 19:06 |
| voyager_za | I'm still having trouble booting the netbook image. Where is the best place to ask for help? | 19:06 |
| * lbt runs and hides | 19:06 | |
| timoph | :) | 19:06 |
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| lbt | #meego ... *the* place for political commentary | 19:07 |
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| timoph | so we just add a reame that says 'please send all bills to intel' | 19:07 |
| timoph | readme | 19:07 |
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| lbt | hmmm that didn't even work at a restaurant.... | 19:08 |
| timoph | :) | 19:08 |
| voyager_za | (+Hi) | 19:08 |
| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: hi | 19:08 |
| timoph | maybe I'll just continue packaging free stuff.. | 19:09 |
| voyager_za | magius_pendragon: hi. | 19:09 |
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| magius_pendragon | timoph: probably the safest | 19:09 |
| lbt | *nod* | 19:09 |
| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: what's the issue? I can't promise an answer, but... | 19:09 |
| lbt | but I'd like an mp3 codec for my lenovo please | 19:10 |
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| lbt | (hi voyager_za.... and the irc mantra is "just ask") | 19:10 |
| timoph | hmmh. someone should port osc & all to maemo5 | 19:10 |
| lbt | just needs python | 19:10 |
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| voyager_za | magius_pendragon: after using either of the two methods to copy the netbook image to the usb drive I get an Operating system load error. | 19:11 |
| timoph | so it should work as is | 19:11 |
| timoph | cool | 19:11 |
| voyager_za | I'm using a Gigabyte Q1000C and an 8GB usb drive (in case it matters) | 19:12 |
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| voyager_za | Oh, and I have already installed Ubuntu netbook from usb, so it works in principle | 19:12 |
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| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: are you burning from inside linux? | 19:13 |
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| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: is the device partitioned? | 19:14 |
| voyager_za | magius_pendragon: 1. yes | 19:15 |
| voyager_za | 2. /dev/sdb1 * 1 823 842752 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS | 19:15 |
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| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: I feel like it needs to be FAT32 to boot, not NTFS but don't quote me on that. I think when I did it, it was overwriting the partition table | 19:16 |
| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: but I feel like image-writer did the right thing when I tried that | 19:17 |
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| voyager_za | magius_pendragon: thanks - I'm going to try the windows app again, I think I had a different result with that. | 19:20 |
| * voyager_za reboots | 19:20 | |
| magius_pendragon | voyager_za: okay, good luck. | 19:20 |
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| magius_pendragon | anyone know how (if at all) the X login stuff on the netbook build uses pam? it seems to be ignoring /etc/pam.d/system-auth | 19:21 |
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| magius_pendragon | okay, alternate question: I've been playing with using the handset ux on a netbook (will become a tablet), but the ux boundaries and x boundary doesn't line up, the ux isn't using the full screen. Anyone know how to alter that resolution? | 19:33 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk2: meanwhile in Finland: http://i.imgur.com/caybr.jpg | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | (duno where it actually is) | 19:52 |
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| berndhs | hmm, chromuim crashes on a google website, interesting | 19:55 |
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| lcuk2 | wow CosmoHill thats quite a deep slice through the snow | 20:20 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | :D CosmoHill | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | ok, the Qt property system officially sucks | 20:42 |
| lcuk | thats old stuff but highly amusing | 20:42 |
| lcuk | ali1234, for real? what part dont you like? | 20:42 |
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| ali1234 | where to start | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | you can;t define a Q_PROPERTY to handle anything that can't go in a QVariant | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | so if you want to give your class a "colour" property, you can't, because QColor won;t go in a QVariant | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | QVariant pretty much only handles int, float and string | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | you also can't connect() to the signals emitted by a Q_PROPERTY by using the property name | 20:44 |
| berndhs | QVariant does a whole pile of other things | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | so it is rather pointless | 20:44 |
| berndhs | doubles lineedits, maps | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | introspection is basically half baked | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | you can look but you can't touch | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | without proper introspection, Q_PROPERTY is just a bunch of extra work with no payoff | 20:45 |
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| ali1234 | the documentation sucks too | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | so it has taken me several days to figure out the it doesn't do what i want | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | it looks like it should, but it doesn't | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | ermm who has seen toy story 3? | 20:49 |
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| ali1234 | hmm... ok you can put QColor into a QVariant in a round about sort of way... | 20:56 |
| lcuk | i thought you could store anything in a variant? | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | yeah you have to do: QColor color = variant.value<QColor>(); | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | i still can't figure out how you connect to a property's change signal though | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | exposing signals and slots from the inner object to your main item? | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | no, fetching them using introspection | 21:00 |
| lcuk | convert back to a qobject and use introspection on that | 21:01 |
| lcuk | remember, a qvariant can hold an int | 21:01 |
| lcuk | which has no signals slots afaik? | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | yes: object->metaObject()->property(object->metaObject()->indexOfProperty("myProperty")).notifySignal() | 21:01 |
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| ali1234 | but you can't connect() with it, because connect() only accepts char* | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | and you have to use the SIGNAL() macro or else it fails horrible | 21:02 |
| lcuk | do you routinely connect signals/slots to anonymous objects? | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | why not? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | i suppose it depends on what you are trying to make/use it for | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | you think i should design a new GUI by hand for every single possible object i ever might want to modify in someway? | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | you mean like the qtcreator properties grid? | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | exactly like that, yes | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | it must be possible | 21:04 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | why dont you see how that works ;) | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | cos the qt creator code is huge | 21:04 |
| lcuk | yeah many codebases are | 21:04 |
| lcuk | but its just a class tree at the end of the day | 21:05 |
| lcuk | and a bit of grep | 21:05 |
| lcuk | in windows world, there was a tool called spy++ which allowed viewing the class names of each and every element in an app gui tree | 21:05 |
| lcuk | so you could do that | 21:05 |
| lcuk | in meego, theres an app called testrunner | 21:06 |
| lcuk | it also generates a tree of the entire structure of an app | 21:06 |
| lcuk | run that, load up qtcreator, find the class | 21:06 |
| lcuk | bing.. | 21:06 |
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| ali1234 | seems too easy | 21:06 |
| lcuk | introspection is powerful ;) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | just follow your nose | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | i shouldn't have to do this... | 21:08 |
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| ali1234 | introspection should just work... | 21:08 |
| lcuk | then read the full docs on introspection | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | i have done | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | they skip over the part where you actually use it for something | 21:08 |
| lcuk | then look at how other people did it before you | 21:08 |
| lcuk | stand on their shoulders ) | 21:08 |
| lcuk | anyway, i am vanishing. | 21:09 |
| lcuk | good luck ali1234 | 21:09 |
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| ali1234 | hmmmm | 21:24 |
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| ali1234 | QPalette is broken too, QPalette::Button is supposed to change the button background colour, but it doesn't, it changes the button border colour instead | 21:24 |
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| * CosmoHill gives ali1234 some sticky toffee | 21:25 | |
| ali1234 | http://imagebin.org/129948 | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | cf. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/images/palette.png | 21:28 |
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| haroun | Hi All, Is there a way to get logs of all system services running on meego ( Similar to adb logcat in Android ) ? | 21:38 |
| andyross | haroun: syslog stuff ends up in /var/log. If you want just one stream for the whole universe, you'll need to do a little configuration of your own. | 21:40 |
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| haroun | andyross: thanks for replying... Can you please give me some pointers for configuring universally ? | 21:44 |
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| voyager_za | magius_pendragon: still no luck booting meego :-( | 21:46 |
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| voyager_za | clearly I'm doing something wrong | 21:47 |
| timoph | haroun: you need to edit /etc/syslog.conf | 21:47 |
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| timoph | google that and sysklogd to get the details | 21:48 |
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| andyross | Sorry, AFK. What timoph said: check "man syslog.conf", and maybe think about what it is you're trying to do. | 21:54 |
| haroun | andyross: Thanks .. I look into it | 21:55 |
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| voyager_za | so... I've been pulling my hair out getting the netbook image to boot on my Atom netbook. Turns out it works fine on my non-Atom laptop. Isn't that a bit weird? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | thats a bit awesome | 22:55 |
| lcuk | what device? | 22:55 |
| voyager_za | the laptop? Dell Vostro A860 (Intel dual core) | 22:56 |
| voyager_za | the netbook: Gigabyte Q1000C (Atom N450) | 22:56 |
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| voyager_za | I don't know if it's a BIOS issue maybe? | 22:57 |
| jonnor | voyager_za: what is the problem? | 22:58 |
| jonnor | how does it not boot? | 22:58 |
| haroun | Hi All, I am facing an issue while booting Meego netbook image on moorsetown platform... The issue is whenever i am trying to boot the Meego either "Welcome logo" displays on LCD screen or console on serial port works .. But both doesn't work at a same time.. Anyone face the same issue ??? Any pointers to this issue pls ??? | 22:59 |
| voyager_za | jonnor: I go into the boot menu, pick the usb drive and then I get a black screen with msg "Operating system load error." | 22:59 |
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| jonnor | voyager_za: instantly? | 22:59 |
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| jonnor | voyager_za: this is the same usb stick you used for the laptop? | 23:00 |
| voyager_za | jonnor: pretty much. then it continues into Grub where I have Windows 7/Ubuntu Netbook | 23:00 |
| voyager_za | jonnor: exactly the same one | 23:00 |
| voyager_za | on the laptop I also have dual boot, Vista/Ubuntu | 23:00 |
| voyager_za | I used the windows image writer method. | 23:01 |
| jonnor | voyager_za: and you've made sure USB is the topmost boot device choice, and that there are no other USB mass storage devices plugged in? | 23:01 |
| jonnor | check memory-card slots as well | 23:02 |
| jonnor | well, should not really be a problem if you chose the device explicitly | 23:02 |
| jonnor | but yes, this def. sounds like a potential BIOS issue | 23:03 |
| voyager_za | jonnor: It identifies the device by brand name, so I don't thing there is confusion about that. I'll try with usb as the topmost choice - I changed the order recently as a test. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | voyager_za, apologies for vanishing, would you kindly fill your machines in on the devices page: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 23:04 |
| voyager_za | What I meant about weirdness though: I thought the arch would be different for the two devices | 23:05 |
| voyager_za | lcuk: will do | 23:05 |
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| voyager_za | jonnor: the problem with the bios theory is that I installed Ubuntu Netbook via usb on the Gigabyte with no issues... | 23:16 |
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| jonnor | voyager_za: well, there are some bios incompatabilities with isolinux, so if Meego is using that it could explain it... Anyhow, I'd check the bugtracker for related issues | 23:18 |
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| voyager_za | jonnor:which bugtracker? | 23:21 |
| jonnor | voyager_za: bugs.meego.org | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | .com | 23:22 |
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| voyager_za | stskeeps: thanks | 23:24 |
| voyager_za | jonnor: I think this covers the problem: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11181 | 23:25 |
| voyager_za | I remember getting the other error message before, possibly with a different .img | 23:25 |
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| jonnor | voyager_za: this looks related. Check out the workaround, and remeber to fill in your details if this also affects your machine | 23:27 |
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| flavio | hello, I'm trying to understand how to develop a good ui for meego devices. Do I have to use qt quick (hence QML)? | 23:39 |
| ali1234 | it depends what your idea of a "good" ui is | 23:39 |
| flavio | good ui == something like the widgetsgallery | 23:40 |
| flavio | ali1234: I noticed that qt menu are not really attractive/useful on meego handset emulator | 23:40 |
| flavio | I would like to have menus like the ones used in the widgetsgallery example | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | i'm not familiar withit | 23:41 |
| flavio | it's installed inside of meego emulator | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | i don't have the meego emulator installed... | 23:41 |
| flavio | and its code is under git://gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components.git | 23:41 |
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| voyager_za | jonnor: w00t! | 23:42 |
| flavio | ali1234: are you using qml? | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | no | 23:42 |
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| flavio | ali1234: do you use QMenu & c? | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | no | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | i just use widgets like QSlider, QPushButton etc | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | QSplitter, QGridLayout... | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | and so on | 23:44 |
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| ali1234 | i don't use the designer much, i just generate everything in code | 23:44 |
| jonnor | voyager_za: works? :) | 23:44 |
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| voyager_za | jonnor: it boots, yes. No wifi as far as I can see, and now I need to figure out how to triple-boot | 23:50 |
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| voyager_za | should I just comment on that bug or file a new one? | 23:50 |
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| jonnor | voyager_za: check if there is a policy on such. If not, I'd comment on the bug | 23:53 |
| jonnor | I wonder if this will also fix booting the latest Arch Linux image on my laptop... | 23:55 |
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