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| perry753 | hi. I don't have a wireless connection listed under my Networks tab on my Asus 1000H. any ideas? | 00:53 |
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| beford | check this thread http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html | 00:59 |
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| perry753 | thanks beford | 01:02 |
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| perry753 | well I won't be using meego. others in that thread wrote about how wifi routinely disconnects on the Asus 1000H. I have the same problem. | 01:28 |
| perry753 | off to ubuntu | 01:28 |
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| sportman | so i was wondering | 04:56 |
| sportman | i see the meego netbook isntalls | 04:56 |
| sportman | and the ability to install touch framework | 04:56 |
| sportman | but is there any special touch edition for tablets? | 04:56 |
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| sportman | anythoughts? :D | 05:00 |
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| lcuk | sportman, i have plenty of thoughts. | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | as for tablet ux, the closest is handset ux on my ideapad, but thats WIP too | 05:04 |
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| sportman | lol lcuk any in regards to if there is a touch specific version of meego? i could have sworn i saw a tablet preview video somewhere | 05:07 |
| lcuk | sportman, yeah | 05:07 |
| lcuk | youtube videos | 05:07 |
| sportman | no official download it seems, is there public beta? | 05:07 |
| lcuk | but thats about as useful as a chocolate fireguard for actually building up a public system | 05:08 |
| lcuk | come back and tell me if you find it | 05:08 |
| sportman | i have been looking | 05:09 |
| sportman | so im guessing if google doesnt help me | 05:09 |
| sportman | nothing will :-p | 05:09 |
| lcuk | meh | 05:09 |
| lcuk | but what is a tablet | 05:09 |
| sportman | :-p | 05:10 |
| sportman | a touch screen netbook / laptop | 05:10 |
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| berndhs | tablet is a netbook without keyboard and with touchscreen ? only more expensive ? | 05:10 |
| sportman | :-p | 05:10 |
| sportman | pretty much | 05:10 |
| lcuk | does it have a defined size? | 05:10 |
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| sportman | nope | 05:10 |
| sportman | http://exopc.com | 05:10 |
| sportman | i just got the exopc slate | 05:10 |
| berndhs | I look 4' x 6' tablets | 05:11 |
| berndhs | s/look/like | 05:11 |
| sportman | runs windows 7 pretty damn well, i was surprised, i am just itching for a sexy interface | 05:11 |
| sportman | and that meego demo video i saw for tablets | 05:11 |
| lcuk | nice hw | 05:11 |
| sportman | just made me drool | 05:11 |
| sportman | yea this thing actually plays back video flawless | 05:11 |
| sportman | iw as really impressed | 05:11 |
| sportman | screen responds well and is a decent res | 05:11 |
| sportman | im considering selling my laptop and just using a keyboard/kickstand with the tablet when i need to | 05:12 |
| * lcuk would prefer consistent ux across the board from handheld to larger devices | 05:12 | |
| sportman | lcuk: that woudl be nice | 05:12 |
| lcuk | sportman, i have a lenovo ideapad running meego handset | 05:12 |
| lcuk | so have best of both | 05:12 |
| lcuk | keyboard built in and its own "stand" for hte screen :P | 05:13 |
| sportman | lcuk: hows meego handset | 05:13 |
| lcuk | nice, but not perfect yet, with each patch and fix and tweak that people report and fix its getting stronger | 05:14 |
| sportman | do you suggest i give that a try over the meego netbook on this thing? | 05:14 |
| lcuk | its nice to see same stuff running on my n900 as on the ideapad | 05:14 |
| lcuk | well it came with netbook | 05:14 |
| lcuk | but because of the way meego is built, switching ux is feasible | 05:15 |
| sportman | ah | 05:15 |
| sportman | cool | 05:15 |
| lcuk | and some of the hackers have put together a guide - to put handset alongside the netbook | 05:15 |
| sportman | im just trying to get that happy medium | 05:15 |
| sportman | im consiering dual boot | 05:15 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 05:15 |
| lcuk | well I didn't consider that an option for a working laptop | 05:15 |
| sportman | cause to be honest android / ipad tablets seem too cumbership | 05:15 |
| sportman | cumbersome | 05:15 |
| sportman | i want something more touch friendly but productive | 05:16 |
| sportman | something i can take to a consultation | 05:16 |
| sportman | and actually draw out shit for clients | 05:16 |
| sportman | and then make a touch friendly crm app for | 05:16 |
| lcuk | draw out shit? | 05:16 |
| sportman | like draw quick sketches or diagrams | 05:17 |
| lcuk | which app (in any OS) do you use for that | 05:17 |
| sportman | hell paint works for quiick stuff | 05:17 |
| sportman | lol | 05:17 |
| sportman | but one note | 05:17 |
| sportman | for widnows works well | 05:17 |
| lcuk | how do you find finger painting? | 05:17 |
| lcuk | (or is your slate also stylus enabled?) | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | sportman: if you still have w7starter, upgrade | 05:19 |
| timeless_mbp | one of the other versions provides much better tablet features | 05:20 |
| * timeless_mbp is too cheap to pay for it | 05:20 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, on the windows 7 allinone here there doesn't appear to be extra tablet oriented features | 05:21 |
| lcuk | what specifically is added that makes it more tabletesq) | 05:22 |
| timeless_mbp | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/tablet-pc | 05:22 |
| lcuk | o_O the handwriting looks to be pen based | 05:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's also a better osk | 05:23 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, yeah, but looking at the ideapad specifically i had to change my handwriting style completely | 05:24 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg | 05:24 |
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| lcuk | make it more like chalkboard | 05:24 |
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| * timeless_mbp can't find any good hits for the other keyboard | 05:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | other than a reference that it includes prediction | 05:25 |
| bef0rd | http://res2.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/Windows%207/main/a/f/afa47903-5c66-4dc6-aec9-8ce0de843919/afa47903-5c66-4dc6-aec9-8ce0de843919.jpg like that? | 05:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_9V0_WundA | 05:27 |
| timeless_mbp | bef0rd: yeah | 05:28 |
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| sportman | lcuk: stylus enabled | 05:36 |
| lcuk | sportman, capacitive too? | 05:36 |
| sportman | nah | 05:37 |
| sportman | yea | 05:37 |
| lcuk | nice | 05:37 |
| sportman | capacitive stylus | 05:37 |
| sportman | actually | 05:37 |
| sportman | so its not like super sexy | 05:37 |
| * lcuk shudders | 05:37 | |
| sportman | but it works surprisingly well | 05:37 |
| sportman | i can use handwriting recognition with it | 05:37 |
| sportman | timeless_mbp: its windows home premium | 05:38 |
| lcuk | any problems with resting your wrist whilst writing? | 05:38 |
| sportman | yes | 05:38 |
| sportman | i jsut got it today | 05:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sportman: ah | 05:38 |
| sportman | so im hoping to find some sort of update to fix that | 05:38 |
| sportman | or get used to not resting my wrist | 05:38 |
| sportman | after a little practice not resting my wrist wasnt too bad | 05:38 |
| lcuk | sportman, known issue with capacitive of any type | 05:38 |
| sportman | but i know some capacitive tablets have a fix | 05:39 |
| sportman | so there may be something that can be done | 05:39 |
| sportman | cause once the wrist is resting it could just have it register the latest point of contact | 05:39 |
| sportman | which would be the stylus | 05:39 |
| * lcuk nods | 05:39 | |
| lcuk | its non trivial though | 05:40 |
| sportman | agreed | 05:41 |
| sportman | but i believe there must be some sort of 3rd partty windows app | 05:41 |
| sportman | that could fix it | 05:41 |
| sportman | bbl | 05:42 |
| sportman | good talking to u guys | 05:43 |
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| * lcuk giggles | 05:43 | |
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| KaZeR | hi there | 12:22 |
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| KaZeR | my wlan card works (i can scan networks using a terminal), but meego (netbook-1.1) doesn't see it | 12:22 |
| KaZeR | can someone help? | 12:23 |
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| bluenemo | hi guys. i read meego uses btrfs. i'm thinking about buying a n900, but as i would have to put customer information on it, i'd really need to crypt it.. anyone here has done that so far? | 12:23 |
| kyb3R | KaZeR: have you checked this one: http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html | 12:25 |
| KaZeR | doing right now, thanks kyb3R | 12:27 |
| KaZeR | ahf, i saw it when testing ivi a few weeks ago | 12:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | bluenemo: luks? | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=66997 | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | ignoring the fact that you want to use meego instead of maemo.. | 12:50 |
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| dm8tbr | hmm would entering the luks password from the console work on n900? | 12:51 |
| * dm8tbr just bought one 5min ago on ebay, so doesn't know yet | 12:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: there is no console | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | so sure | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | entering it on a unicorn would work too | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | and just as well | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | please remember share your unicorn when you get it | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | sorry ate my can of unicorn meat already | 12:52 |
| dm8tbr | we had that for x-mas dinner | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it would require a live unicorn | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | n.b. this is only relevant for maemo kernels | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | meego is a different beast | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | meego probably requires leprechauns instead | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, it's mostly a pointless exercise | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | once a device like the n900 is stolen, you can't trust it | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine i help you design a system where on boot you're asked for your luks passphrase | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and the system then magically mounts the luks volume | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it takes an attacker <5mins to borrow your device, root the kernel to install a key logger, and return your device | 12:55 |
| dm8tbr | sure physical access is full access | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the next time you turn on your device to enter your magic passphrase, the "special" kernel helpfully remembers your passphrase and will send it to the attacker eventually | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | right, so, what's the point? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | why encrypt data on an n900? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're worried about software from the outside, you're missing something | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're able to use the device, that means the data is already transparently mounted <decrypted> | 12:57 |
| dm8tbr | because corporate overlords require. otherwise I agree it's not stopping a determined attacker | 12:57 |
| * timeless_mbp suggests finding better overlords | 12:57 | |
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| bluenemo | ecryption doesnt help against software from the outside (if you mean while the n900 is running) | 12:58 |
| bluenemo | keylogger: hashes ;) | 12:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | the *only* case encryption handles is the case where you have a random thief instead of an attacker | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but trust me, if someone wants your data, they're much more likely to go about it as an attacker than as a thief | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, even bank attacks these days are attack driven | 12:59 |
| bluenemo | yeah i was thinking about loosing it - or what when i loose it, not that i want to intentially ;) | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't see a guy with a gun in european countries asking you for your wallet at the atm | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | he just records your credentials for later use | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | bluenemo: =~ s/loos/los/g | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | loose = how would you like the rope around your neck? | 13:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, a better approach for lost devices is a phone home feature | 13:00 |
| * bluenemo doesnt get a thing :) | 13:00 | |
| bluenemo | phone home feature? | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | let them do geotagging, photo sharing | 13:00 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 13:00 |
| bluenemo | ah ok | 13:00 |
| dm8tbr | exactly | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | let your phone call you and say "hi, i'm hear, come get me" | 13:01 |
| bluenemo | yeah i got that, thx | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | s/hear/here/ | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want your phone to self destruct as part of phone home, go for it | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: oops, thanks :) | 13:01 |
| bluenemo | xD :) | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | np | 13:01 |
| bluenemo | lol | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, i didn't say i was perfect | 13:01 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yess the trusty remote triggered HCF instruction ;) | 13:01 |
| * timeless_mbp notes that MfE supports requiring that | 13:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | but anyway, phone home makes a lot more sense | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's *useful* instead of overhead | 13:02 |
| bluenemo | do you guys got that on your devices? | 13:02 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 13:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | sorta | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | my n900 can log into gmail | 13:02 |
| bluenemo | i'm building a car pc at the moment with that.. | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and gmail can tell me where it was | 13:02 |
| bluenemo | ah ok i c | 13:02 |
| bluenemo | nice idea to do it via mail | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | well, what i mean is that gmail logs access and gives you a list of ip's | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | I'm most likely going to put an APRSd on mine. that will do pretty much the same | 13:03 |
| kyb3R | possibly SMS as backup? | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'm not selling a specific phone home solution | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | just saying that it's the right solution for the problem someone wants addressed | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and i do know people who've recovered their n900s by sending messages to them asking for them to come home | 13:04 |
| dm8tbr | http://aprs.fi/?call=a%2FDM8TBR-12 - hmm haven't logged in for a while :D | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: shiny | 13:05 |
| dm8tbr | yes, it predates all those internet based solutions and is amateur radio only. still very useful especially as it does gateway to the internet too | 13:05 |
| bluenemo | hm so /home and /home/foo (28gb) can be crypted. thanks for the help :) | 13:06 |
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| kyb3R | if I would be the attacker, ones I get the phone, I'll probably would put it offline. | 13:07 |
| bluenemo | btw if its crypted & stolen & the power fails it wont phone home xD | 13:07 |
| * kyb3R can't 'do' English, sorry | 13:07 | |
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| fish_sticks | I was trying to deploy an app on MeeGo using the qemu image.But when I debug it,I get the following error. http://pastebin.ca/2029718 | 14:17 |
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| fish_sticks | anybody? | 14:22 |
| thiago | fish_sticks: does the file exist inside the package? | 14:23 |
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| fish_sticks | thiago: package meaning? | 14:29 |
| fish_sticks | the rpm? | 14:29 |
| thiago | yes | 14:30 |
| fish_sticks | let me check | 14:30 |
| fish_sticks | yes it does | 14:30 |
| thiago | do you have that file somewhere out of the rpm? | 14:31 |
| fish_sticks | nope | 14:31 |
| fish_sticks | only one inside the rpm | 14:31 |
| thiago | check your build dir | 14:31 |
| fish_sticks | no wait | 14:32 |
| fish_sticks | its there | 14:32 |
| fish_sticks | its inside my instroot | 14:32 |
| fish_sticks | thiago: now it tells me there's a problem with my gdbserver | 14:33 |
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| fish_sticks | didnt make any changes.it says gdbserver not found | 14:34 |
| fish_sticks | -bash: gdbserver: command not found | 14:34 |
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| thiago | install gdbserver on your target image | 14:36 |
| fish_sticks | the raw file? | 14:36 |
| thiago | huh? | 14:38 |
| thiago | just install gdbserver on the target | 14:38 |
| fish_sticks | okay | 14:38 |
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| fish_sticks | it still says the same thing | 14:39 |
| fish_sticks | even after installing | 14:39 |
| thiago | readelf -d the binary or gdbserver | 14:39 |
| thiago | look at the interpreter line. Does that file exist inside the image? | 14:39 |
| fish_sticks | I didnt get you | 14:40 |
| fish_sticks | got it | 14:40 |
| fish_sticks | what do you mean "file exist inside the image?" | 14:40 |
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| fish_sticks | I will pastebin the output of readelf -d binary | 14:41 |
| fish_sticks | http://pastebin.ca/2029740 | 14:42 |
| Macer | i hate snow | 14:42 |
| thiago | wrong command, sorry | 14:46 |
| thiago | readelf -l | 14:46 |
| fish_sticks | okay one sec | 14:46 |
| fish_sticks | http://pastebin.ca/2029750 | 14:47 |
| thiago | does that file exist inside the image? | 14:48 |
| fish_sticks | image meaning the rpm?yes it does | 14:49 |
| thiago | no | 14:49 |
| fish_sticks | then? | 14:49 |
| thiago | does the interpreter exist inside the image? | 14:49 |
| fish_sticks | I didnt get you | 14:49 |
| fish_sticks | sorry | 14:49 |
| thiago | and I'm out of time | 14:50 |
| thiago | good bye | 14:50 |
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| heikki_ | howdy | 15:00 |
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| heikki_ | are there any meego phones available currently? | 15:02 |
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| jonnor | heikki_: No, no phones are shipped with Meego. For development, Nokia N900 and Intel Aava platform is decently supported | 15:05 |
| kyb3R | heikki_: ei varsinaisesti, N900 saa asennettua | 15:06 |
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| kyb3R | channel language policy: community related stuff always in English, other issues English/Finnish | 15:07 |
| kyb3R | just to let you know | 15:08 |
| kyb3R | hups | 15:08 |
| kyb3R | :) | 15:08 |
| kyb3R | wrong chan... | 15:08 |
| rauli | kanavapoliisin korkki narahtanut joulun kunniaksi | 15:09 |
| kyb3R | I Apologize | 15:09 |
| kyb3R | I don't need alcohol to make mistakes :) it's natural... | 15:11 |
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| sivang | kyb3R: hey :) | 15:32 |
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| kyb3R | sivang: hi | 15:45 |
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| sepultina | hello, how can i upgrade from meego 1.0 to 1.1? | 15:50 |
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| yougane | hi | 16:03 |
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| yougane | Does anyone here know how to install the meego's SDK on archlinux ? | 16:07 |
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| NAVEENGF | CHAT ONLINE, PLAY GAME, MAKE MONEY, GO TO http://letikfor.webs.com/ | 16:34 |
| RST38h | NavBot: GET BANNED FOR FREE ON #MEEGO! | 16:36 |
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| guest44444 | hi @ all | 17:06 |
| guest44444 | i just try meego 1.1 on netbook aspire one | 17:06 |
| guest44444 | all works great | 17:07 |
| guest44444 | only one thing, my USB HUAWEI E169 don't recognize | 17:07 |
| guest44444 | can anyone halpme? | 17:08 |
| guest44444 | helpme? | 17:08 |
| guest44444 | ;) | 17:08 |
| guest44444 | is there anybody in there? | 17:08 |
| guest44444 | ;) | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | no one here but us chickens | 17:08 |
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| dm8tbr | bwwaaaaak | 17:09 |
| guest44444 | ;) | 17:09 |
| kallam | guest44444: there is no usb-modem support yet in 1.1 | 17:10 |
| guest44444 | ok, nativetly not, but if we following this: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ | 17:10 |
| guest44444 | I'm sorry for my english | 17:11 |
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| guest44444 | thanks kallam | 17:19 |
| guest44444 | when Modem HDSPA will be supported natively | 17:20 |
| guest44444 | ? | 17:20 |
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| guest44444 | ;( | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | guest44444: could you /nick something | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | the general answer in open source projects to "when will <something> be implemented?" is "when *you* implement it" | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | (or when someone else gets around to doing it, whichever comes first) | 17:24 |
| guest44444 | my name is Andrea | 17:24 |
| guest44444 | i have never use irc, this is my first time | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | http://irchelp.org/ | 17:25 |
| guest44444 | thanks for your info, | 17:25 |
| guest44444 | but I'm not a developer, but only one sad user of XP for my netbook | 17:27 |
| guest44444 | so today I try this OS | 17:27 |
| guest44444 | very good OS... | 17:28 |
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| kyb3R | guest44444: you could find a local MeeGo Network near you and participate/get involved... | 17:29 |
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| kyb3R | see http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks | 17:30 |
| guest44444 | as always Italy late ;( | 17:31 |
| berndhs | its still early to join meego, anywhere in the world | 17:34 |
| kyb3R | berndhs: why? | 17:35 |
| berndhs | not too early, just early | 17:36 |
| kyb3R | ah :) | 17:36 |
| berndhs | if you join a local meego network, you'll be ahead of the commercial offerings | 17:36 |
| kyb3R | any user experience even in the early stages is always good | 17:37 |
| berndhs | sure | 17:37 |
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| guest44444 | thanks for your help | 17:39 |
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| kyb3R | might be painful experience for the developers, but still useful | 17:39 |
| guest44444 | thanks @ all | 17:39 |
| guest44444 | Andrea | 17:39 |
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| Ofir | hi | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | morning Venemo | 19:03 |
| lcuk | hi or | 19:03 |
| lcuk | Ofir, | 19:03 |
| Venemo | good morning lcuk :) | 19:04 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 19:04 |
| lcuk | just pondering where to go for a meal tonight | 19:04 |
| berndhs | refrigerator ? | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, :P | 19:06 |
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| Ofir | can any1 assist me regarding to meego netbook app package? | 19:07 |
| lcuk | Ofir, whats up with it | 19:07 |
| Ofir | how can i change the the installation path from /usr/local/bin to other? | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | hmm Ofir idk, did you make the package yourself? or is it one on the repositories? | 19:11 |
| lcuk | hey spyro, how goes christmas for you? | 19:11 |
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| dm8tbr | anyone got an recent netbook image? I'd need to know something about the kernel cmdline. | 19:12 |
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| dm8tbr | does it have the keyword 'quiet' twice in it? | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, how would i know and how recent do you need it to be | 19:14 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: cat /proc/cmdline | 19:14 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk: I'll take whatever you have. preferably 1.1.80-... | 19:14 |
| dm8tbr | or press tab tab while booting | 19:15 |
| lcuk | no, quiet is only there once | 19:16 |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: ok, what version is it? | 19:17 |
| dm8tbr | there is a file in /etc that contains this information | 19:17 |
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| dm8tbr | might be that only netbook qemu image has that problem | 19:19 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, | 19:20 |
| lcuk | $ cat /etc/meego-release | 19:20 |
| lcuk | MeeGo release 1.1 (MeeGo) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | BUILD: meego-netbook-ia32-1110 | 19:20 |
| lcuk | thats a bit out of date | 19:20 |
| lcuk | but i havent reflashed since | 19:20 |
| lcuk | so assume its still right | 19:20 |
| dm8tbr | ah, no problem | 19:20 |
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| dm8tbr | bug 11756 | 19:30 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11756 tri, Undecided, 1.1.80.11, yong.y.wang, NEW, 'quiet' appears twice in the kernel cmdline for ia32-qemu netbook images | 19:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | dm8tbr: cute | 19:44 |
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| dm8tbr | I admit the impact is rather low, still I noticed it :) | 19:45 |
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| sivang | dm8tbr: ha, nice | 19:50 |
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| thresh | .ÚÆËÅ | 19:51 |
| thresh | err :) | 19:51 |
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| lolloo | Alexander Stepanovich Popov | 20:22 |
| lolloo | why did you choose him e-yes? | 20:22 |
| lolloo | oops wrong channel. | 20:23 |
| e-yes | he made something really useful using radio:) | 20:25 |
| * lcuk rummages around for a replacement meego image for his ideapad :) | 20:26 | |
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| dm8tbr | lcuk: let me know if the new one has a double-quiet ;) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | heh will do | 20:33 |
| lcuk | i have to backup stuff first and make sure I can get this back working | 20:33 |
| lcuk | oh how I wish there was a reverse flasher available | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | try an usb-stick first? | 20:34 |
| lcuk | something to take machine contents as they stand now and produce a flashable image of them | 20:34 |
| lcuk | dm8tbr, the places I am looking may not have usb stick builds available :) | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | an sda image should also work using an usb-stick :) | 20:35 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Got an extended-life battery for N900 for Christmas: yeah! Ok, I had to give Santa a little hint that the battery was a better gift than a set of sake glassware. | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, it will be even better once we get fuel cells in our mobiles that can accept sake or any other alcohol! | 21:01 |
| lcuk | but what capacity/model of extended battery did you get? | 21:02 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: sake in the battery? that's acohol abuse | 21:07 |
| * timoph waits for fission batteries | 21:09 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | Indeed lcuk, having a breakdown would become much more bearable if we just needed to carry some mixers in our emergency kit. | 21:11 |
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| timoph | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Trinity-Audio-Group-Indamixx-2-ships/ | 21:12 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, I got the Mugen extended life battery. Somebody here on meego IRC recommended it. | 21:50 |
| dm8tbr | my n900 will come with second battery. that will have to do for now :) | 21:50 |
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| van_ | does n900 supports 32gb micro sd ? | 21:55 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1532657/nokia-n900 ? | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | van_: Yes, IIRC | 21:58 |
| van_ | thanks | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | van_: google would have answered that faster than irc... | 21:59 |
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| van_ | awesome n900 | 22:00 |
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| van_ | will be posible to install meego in main memory ? | 22:23 |
| dm8tbr | currently not recommended | 22:26 |
| van_ | wait 1.3 version ? | 22:27 |
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| dm8tbr | van_: well it's not a full replacement for the original OS so installing it on the emmc is not the best idea. especially as going back would be non-trivial for most users | 22:38 |
| van_ | agree | 22:39 |
| dm8tbr | I only know it in theory, but flashing a kernel that exports the emmc via usb and doing this using flasher might not be such an easy task | 22:40 |
| van_ | i like main os, just wanted chance of this combo | 22:41 |
| van_ | thanks | 22:41 |
| dm8tbr | if you really want to it is possible somehow. I heard only few people have ever done it though. | 22:41 |
| van_ | dont want break my device | 22:42 |
| dm8tbr | then better use the µSD card :) | 22:44 |
| van_ | but when guarantee will be over | 22:44 |
| van_ | maybe i'll try this | 22:44 |
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| van_ | :) | 22:45 |
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| dm8tbr | AFAIK you can always recover a n900 | 22:49 |
| dm8tbr | using flasher | 22:49 |
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| van_ | after deleting event.d i know this sw | 22:50 |
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| van_ | :/ | 22:51 |
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| van_ | last question-- is any chance for new firmware for this device ? | 22:54 |
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| steinex | van_: guess not | 23:00 |
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| steinex | maemo5 is officially dead | 23:00 |
| van_ | so bad | 23:00 |
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| steinex | but then again, community is still very vital | 23:02 |
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| van_ | but qt provides compatibility between maemo5 and meego ? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | a carefully written qt application using the qt api is trivially cross compatible yes | 23:09 |
| lcuk | but just the same as with any cross platform toolkit, once you step outside and start using dedicated OS shortcut methods and break the paradigm | 23:10 |
| lcuk | it becomes harder | 23:10 |
| lcuk | this is where something like qt-mobility comes in to provide a standard api that can be carried between devices for many of the important user centric operations | 23:11 |
| berndhs | yes qt-mobility is the future way to go | 23:12 |
| berndhs | starting next week maybe ? | 23:12 |
| * lcuk also REALLY pleased to see early qt bugs fixed | 23:12 | |
| lcuk | (which were originally marked out of scope) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | QT-BUG7 for instance | 23:13 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7 nor, Low, 1.0, robsta, VERI FIXED, the items are not fully scrolled up when the first time a category is clicked | 23:13 |
| lcuk | QTBUG-7 even | 23:13 |
| lcuk | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, start now, and if you encounter a limitation in the available mobility apis, seek out and discuss with the mobility guys | 23:14 |
| lcuk | and try to find a nice way to deal with it | 23:14 |
| berndhs | the point actually is that qt-mobility is moving kinda slow into main Qt | 23:14 |
| lcuk | sure | 23:14 |
| berndhs | so there is still a fair bit of stuff that you can use from qt-mobility preview type releases that you can't ship right now | 23:15 |
| lcuk | and thats right thing to do once they are in shape :) | 23:15 |
| berndhs | yes very true, but you dont know when you can ship any of it | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | when you build a hotel | 23:15 |
| lcuk | or any construction really | 23:16 |
| lcuk | theres people working on many aspects | 23:16 |
| lcuk | hopefully the timing of people will match | 23:16 |
| berndhs | sure | 23:16 |
| lcuk | but sometimes the plasterers are idling waiting for the sparks | 23:16 |
| berndhs | the only problem is that I am not privy to any of the timing from Qt's plans | 23:16 |
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| berndhs | i dont know if stuff will be mainstream in a month or in a year | 23:17 |
| berndhs | so I can't plan anything | 23:17 |
| lcuk | well qt is moving towards open governance and has most of the items roadmappd | 23:17 |
| berndhs | i dont think there is much info about telepathy-qt4 for example | 23:18 |
| berndhs | there is a really outdated meego rpm that nobody is using | 23:18 |
| berndhs | there is nothing at all in fedora, no package | 23:18 |
| berndhs | so many really good things are in the pipeline, and I don't know if I can use them | 23:19 |
| berndhs | but we'll see | 23:19 |
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| van_ | hope community don't forget n900 | 23:22 |
| van_ | :) | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, what specifically are you waiting for in telepathy | 23:23 |
| berndhs | i want to do basic muti protocol chat | 23:24 |
| berndhs | and I don't want to pacakge telepathy-qt4 | 23:24 |
| berndhs | there is no fedora package, and I don't know if there is an opensuse package | 23:24 |
| lcuk | so its packaging rather than code as far as you know? | 23:25 |
| berndhs | its pacakging of a reasonable version | 23:25 |
| berndhs | the meego version is more than a year old I think | 23:25 |
| berndhs | and its substantially different from more current versions | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | have you brought this up with specific #telepathy devs (or mentioned it to any other collabora guys than me) before now? | 23:27 |
| berndhs | I asked of there, they don't know anything about it | 23:27 |
| berndhs | or the people who happened to be in the channel at the time | 23:27 |
| van_ | thanks for understanding | 23:28 |
| van_ | best regards | 23:28 |
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| berndhs | someone said KDE is using it, but they seem to have telepathy-kde for themselves | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, checkbugs.meego and see if any specific requests for later packages are there | 23:29 |
| lcuk | if not, file a specific bug for what you know is latest possible and requesting packaging thereof and I will try to ensure it ends up with the right person | 23:30 |
| berndhs | i looked last week, only one person complaining that its too old :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | so you make 2 | 23:30 |
| lcuk | did you vote for the bug? :) | 23:30 |
| berndhs | thre is a project called "peregrine" that uses it | 23:30 |
| lcuk | or post links when you mentioned it :P | 23:30 |
| berndhs | don't remember if I voted last week, its all hazy :) | 23:30 |
| lcuk | refind the bug and post a link | 23:31 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:31 |
| berndhs | i'll go look | 23:31 |
| lcuk | (helps context for people looking in future also | 23:31 |
| berndhs | yes | 23:31 |
| dm8tbr | so do some people look at votes? | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | dm8tbr, sure | 23:40 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/report.cgi?x_axis_field=votes&y_axis_field=classification&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&vo | 23:40 |
| lcuk | tes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 23:40 |
| lcuk | arghh | 23:40 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/query.cgi?format=report-table | 23:40 |
| lcuk | select grid axis including vote in one column | 23:41 |
| lcuk | and watch your favorite | 23:41 |
| lcuk | 46 people have voted for multiuser support :P | 23:41 |
| lcuk | all on the same computer :P | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | status/votes is quite informative | 23:43 |
| lcuk | many bugs still in NEW status | 23:43 |
| berndhs | i dont understand the status progression | 23:43 |
| berndhs | does NEW mean the triage people haven't looked at it ? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | thats what I take it as | 23:44 |
| dm8tbr | hmm there's a total of 451 votes | 23:44 |
| lcuk | because once someone has it in their plate to fix, its ASSIGNED | 23:44 |
| lcuk | I agree though, there could be a state between new and assigned where its been confirmed as a problem | 23:45 |
| lcuk | but nobody actively looking at it | 23:45 |
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| dm8tbr | BMO has 30k votes... | 23:46 |
| berndhs | there is some stuff where I am sure work is going on in the closed areas | 23:46 |
| smoku | is DSME going to be used for process monitoring in MeeGo? | 23:49 |
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