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| mwichmann | as an "ethnic Finn" in the US, there are various types of snapps on ice for later... | 00:05 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: "ethinic Finn" ? | 00:06 |
| mwichmann | didn't say I could type | 00:06 |
| sivang | mwichmann: are you finnish ? :) | 00:06 |
| mwichmann | finnish parents, but born in usa | 00:06 |
| mwichmann | (do have dual citizenship, fwiw) | 00:06 |
| sivang | nice | 00:06 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: can you speak finnish? | 00:07 |
| mwichmann | swedish is first language (shortly followed by English), finnish is very weak | 00:08 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I found the language fascinating. | 00:08 |
| sivang | *find | 00:08 |
| mwichmann | it is unique if you didn't grow up speaking it | 00:09 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I guess, but I Hungarian domniated good part of my childhood so the sounds are very familiar and nice | 00:10 |
| * Tm_T is fortunate being grown up speaking it (: | 00:10 | |
| kyb3R | *nods* | 00:10 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I hope to study it somehow | 00:10 |
| sivang | hey kyb3R :) | 00:10 |
| kyb3R | hi sivang | 00:11 |
| sivang | Tm_T: you are | 00:11 |
| sivang | does anybody know if Turkish is considered Urallic as well? Wikipedia did not say hat, but they do have some similar sounds | 00:12 |
| Tm_T | AFAIK it's not | 00:15 |
| sivang | yes, it is not | 00:16 |
| sivang | accorindg to some sources I just read which are no just wikipedia | 00:16 |
| sivang | :) | 00:16 |
| mwichmann | estonian is pretty much the same lang, and hungarian is related, but else you have to go hunting somewhere in central asia to find relationships | 00:16 |
| kyb3R | estonian sounds funny to us Finns | 00:17 |
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| sivang | Yes, mom explained this to me not long ago. There is some relationship with central Asia | 00:17 |
| Tm_T | well, everywhere across Russia there's really small language groups | 00:17 |
| mwichmann | well, danish is weird to me as a swedish speaker, but if I read a newspaper or something it seems almost identical :) | 00:17 |
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| sivang | kyb3R: I thought estonian was slavic :) | 00:18 |
| sivang | funny | 00:18 |
| kyb3R | but I don't understand much of Estonian eventhough some words are the same, they might heve different meaning | 00:18 |
| sivang | right | 00:18 |
| kyb3R | *have | 00:18 |
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| kyb3R | besides the intonation is different | 00:19 |
| sivang | is there FInish language as high education studies in FInland? I mean, as people study english with litrature and related | 00:19 |
| kyb3R | some of the studies in Uni are in Finnish, if that's what you mean | 00:19 |
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| kyb3R | but most of the literature is in English, German or French | 00:20 |
| kyb3R | or swedish | 00:20 |
| sivang | right, so that what I was interested in. | 00:20 |
| sivang | so no. | 00:20 |
| sivang | so more towards litrature and linguistics | 00:21 |
| Tm_T | I suppose that depends | 00:21 |
| kyb3R | ofc people here study the language in Uni as a major too | 00:21 |
| rauli | there is, but it is not much of use unless you wish to become a teacher | 00:21 |
| sivang | I'm just interested in studying about it for fun :) | 00:22 |
| sivang | although teaching with the right class can be nice | 00:22 |
| kyb3R | better not take a class inthe uni then :) | 00:22 |
| sivang | heh | 00:22 |
| sivang | we have severe problems here with teaching, it is not considered to be a good job to have. | 00:23 |
| kyb3R | it was a pain for me to survive the mandatory classes | 00:23 |
| Tm_T | K'night | 00:23 |
| lcuk | hohoho | 00:23 |
| kyb3R | Tm_T: nite | 00:23 |
| kyb3R | Santa in da house! | 00:23 |
| rauli | i believe all those who study their mother tongue as a major wish to become writers.. only to end up as frustrated teachers | 00:24 |
| kyb3R | rauli: :) | 00:24 |
| kyb3R | pissed teachers | 00:24 |
| rauli | kind of like all of us wish to become the next knuth, but end up as a nameless code monkey in a corporation ;) | 00:25 |
| kyb3R | heh | 00:25 |
| kyb3R | yeah, I've given up on that a long time ago | 00:26 |
| sivang | night Tm_T | 00:26 |
| sivang | rauli: heh | 00:26 |
| sivang | I'm just happy writing apps people use | 00:27 |
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| sivang | I mean, if I can get a living through that, why would I want to be knuth? I'd rather try be like Steve Vai :-D | 00:27 |
| lcuk | rauli, look up to your forebearers, but trying to emulate them leads to let downs ;) make your own path. | 00:27 |
| kyb3R | currently I'm happy if the local community is more or less happy, which is not too often ;) | 00:27 |
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| sivang | kyb3R: local community? | 00:28 |
| kyb3R | MNFI, MeeGo Network Finland | 00:28 |
| sivang | ah, nice yes I saw the threads about it in ML | 00:28 |
| sivang | are you planning a xmas meego party? | 00:28 |
| sivang | :) | 00:28 |
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| kyb3R | sivang: nope :) | 00:29 |
| sivang | kyb3R: I found out that when you ave oppinionated members, very hard to make the community happy | 00:29 |
| lcuk | the #meego-bar is always open :P | 00:29 |
| kyb3R | lcuk :) | 00:29 |
| sivang | kyb3R: had this issue trying to establish israeli ubuntu community | 00:29 |
| sivang | kyb3R: only a year back they really got up on their legs and started becoming useful and consistent | 00:30 |
| kyb3R | sivang: well, currently the community is relatively easy to cope with, it's so young still | 00:30 |
| kyb3R | they are holding back | 00:30 |
| kyb3R | a little | 00:30 |
| kyb3R | but little by little ppl are beginnign to find their slot/team | 00:31 |
| sivang | ye, it was very easy in the early beginning | 00:31 |
| kyb3R | the summit functions as a unifying item, which is good. A shared goal. | 00:33 |
| sivang | the tampre weekend event? | 00:33 |
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| sivang | timo harkonen told me something about it | 00:33 |
| kyb3R | sivang: yeah | 00:33 |
| sivang | in dublin | 00:33 |
| sivang | when is it planned? | 00:33 |
| kyb3R | timoph is in the summit programm team with me :) | 00:34 |
| kyb3R | 15-16th Apr | 00:34 |
| sivang | ah! :) | 00:34 |
| sivang | kyb3R: told him have no off days left due to recent events I particip[ated in, "it'sthe weekend, if you are serious you can get there" :) | 00:35 |
| sivang | tempting | 00:36 |
| sivang | :) | 00:36 |
| sivang | I iwsh the flight was ot so expensive :) | 00:36 |
| kyb3R | :) | 00:36 |
| * kyb3R note-to-self: tell Timo to market more aggressively ;) | 00:37 | |
| sivang | heh | 00:38 |
| sivang | more agreesive than that? | 00:38 |
| sivang | is there a talk committe etc? | 00:38 |
| kyb3R | no, programm team handles the keynotes and track speakers as well | 00:39 |
| kyb3R | but there's some other teams | 00:39 |
| sivang | kyb3R: problem is I don't want to come there for such a short perioid | 00:39 |
| sivang | kyb3R: :) | 00:39 |
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| kyb3R | you can use my couch :) | 00:40 |
| sivang | kyb3R:being abscent from work is the issue :) | 00:40 |
| kyb3R | i dont charge for electricity either... | 00:40 |
| sivang | kyb3R: but that's a generous offer | 00:40 |
| sivang | thanks | 00:40 |
| kyb3R | who needs a job anywya... :) | 00:40 |
| sivang | haha | 00:40 |
| kyb3R | become a evil cracker and get hired by the Russians. | 00:41 |
| sivang | at least this is stil far in time\ | 00:41 |
| kyb3R | yeah | 00:41 |
| sivang | so a lot can happen | 00:41 |
| * sivang will see | 00:41 | |
| sivang | but timo was good at the marketing, he sort of was saying "be there or be square" | 00:42 |
| sivang | :-p | 00:42 |
| kyb3R | :) nice. Big hand to Timo! | 00:42 |
| sivang | indeed | 00:43 |
| kyb3R | he's been a great help | 00:44 |
| sivang | kyb3R: I lost the link to event website, there was osmthieng right with prospective agneda? | 00:44 |
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| kyb3R | yes there still is http://summit.meegonetwork.fi | 00:45 |
| kyb3R | but most of the intresting stuff is in the wiki pages | 00:45 |
| sivang | kyb3R: meego wiki? | 00:45 |
| kyb3R | yes | 00:45 |
| kyb3R | http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks/MeeGo_Network_Finland | 00:46 |
| * sivang searches | 00:46 | |
| kyb3R | there is the summit | 00:46 |
| sivang | kyb3R: thanks | 00:46 |
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| kyb3R | gotta go now, bbl | 00:48 |
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| CosmoHill | 15 mins until xmas :o | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, get in bed then or santa won't come :P | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 01:54 |
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| CosmoHill | just kidding | 01:54 |
| lcuk | well I'm not, gnite and Meery Christmas CosmoHill \o | 01:55 |
| lcuk | Merry too! | 01:55 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:55 |
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| CosmoHill | sleep well | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | Merry Xmas UK and Irish people :) | 02:01 |
| CosmoHill | (and anyone else in GMT) | 02:02 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:03 |
| CosmoHill | merry christmas Termana and night night | 02:04 |
| Termana | :p merry christmas CosmoHill - good night :p | 02:04 |
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| zr0 | #debian | 02:44 |
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| spyro | hi folks :) | 05:16 |
| spyro | cant sleep... whos having a merry christmas? :) | 05:17 |
| berndhs | spyro: the folks who are not here | 05:21 |
| spyro | haha :) | 05:21 |
| berndhs | millions of em | 05:21 |
| spyro | *raises fist* Daaamn yoooooouuu! | 05:22 |
| spyro | mind you, only millions? thats a pretty poor turnout from a planet with a population of billion :) | 05:22 |
| spyro | 6 billion | 05:22 |
| berndhs | well, some of them having a bad xmas, and some already done with it | 05:23 |
| spyro | :) | 05:24 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Review of shipping MeeGo-based audio tablet: http://lwn.net/Articles/421032/ | 07:55 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:02 |
| Macer | hoping i have a good connection to my damn phone where it is :) | 08:02 |
| Macer | i get such bad reception from tmob where i am. i have the thing like 20ft in the air heh | 08:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Macer, I'm getting good Tmobile reception on my N900 here in the SF Bay Area. I look signal only in the hills so far, where I lost signal on AT&T too. Keeps my Dad from interrupting my bike rides! | 08:04 |
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| Macer | south side of chicago gets no love ;) | 08:05 |
| Macer | sometimes i think they power down the tower here | 08:06 |
| Macer | heh | 08:06 |
| Macer | either that or i am very close to midway airport right now so maybe the tower is past the airport which i am sure gives off a lot of rf problems for the reception | 08:06 |
| Macer | at least the bt tethering works pretty good | 08:06 |
| Macer | sure wish i could figure out what the hell hapened to mobile hotspot when i went to 1.3 but i gave up on it | 08:07 |
| Macer | bt uses less power :) | 08:07 |
| Macer | ok. well.. still connected past like 10 mins so i guess i'm good :) | 08:14 |
| Macer | i wonder if they time sockets or something | 08:14 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:28 |
| Macer | still going heh | 08:28 |
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| voyager_za | Hi | 12:06 |
| voyager_za | Is it common to have trouble with booting the netbook install image? | 12:07 |
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| lcuk | voyager_za, not usually, what model netbook did Santa bring you? | 12:28 |
| voyager_za | lcuk: :) Gigabyte Q1000C | 12:32 |
| voyager_za | I got an error about isolinux.bin not found | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | hmm http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 12:33 |
| voyager_za | not listed as far as I can see | 12:34 |
| voyager_za | but it's Atom N450 | 12:34 |
| lcuk | indeed hmm | 12:34 |
| lcuk | I am not stopping though, hmm | 12:34 |
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| voyager_za | is there another way to install or at least run meego? | 12:38 |
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| mbn_18 | Hi, any idea if MeeGo 1.1 will work on an HP pavilion laptop? | 14:19 |
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| dm8tbr | mbn_18: what CPU does it have? | 14:39 |
| mbn_18 | Intel dual core. chacking for more details | 14:39 |
| dm8tbr | more specifically does the CPU have SSSE3 and is the GPU intel? | 14:39 |
| mbn_18 | T7300 | 14:39 |
| mbn_18 | Nope, GPU is ATI or Nvidia | 14:40 |
| dm8tbr | that's a core2 so it should have SSSE3 | 14:40 |
| mbn_18 | dm8tbr: Yep, its a 2 duo | 14:41 |
| mbn_18 | What about the GPU? | 14:41 |
| dm8tbr | well AFAIK the netbook image only comes with the gpu accel driver for itel gpu's | 14:42 |
| dm8tbr | but I'm sure someone compiled/packaged some other driver too | 14:42 |
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| mbn_18 | I need it to install and run or just for performance? | 14:42 |
| dm8tbr | I guess it will use vesa/mesa if you don't install anything | 14:43 |
| dm8tbr | which will be horribly jerky but will work | 14:43 |
| lcuk | mbn_18, please try using the regular image, and if it has ATI graphics card then file bugs and see if any of the AMD elves are capable of helping ;) | 14:44 |
| mbn_18 | You mean the netbook regular image ( 1.1 )? | 14:44 |
| mbn_18 | I will probably need Nvidia elves | 14:45 |
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| dm8tbr | I don't think the nvidia elves joined the meego game | 14:48 |
| mbn_18 | $#$%^ | 14:48 |
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| dm8tbr | mbn_18: you might get away with some generic driver installation. could be a bit fumbly though | 14:49 |
| dm8tbr | I managed to install the virtual-box drivers | 14:49 |
| dm8tbr | and they work | 14:49 |
| mbn_18 | Couldnt start it on VB 4 | 14:50 |
| mbn_18 | Followed the howto but still getting black screen | 14:50 |
| dm8tbr | vbox is tricky | 14:50 |
| dm8tbr | and the 1.0 howto is not applicable | 14:50 |
| dm8tbr | at least it does not apply unless you know what you are doing and only follow it where it makes sense. not something for the average joe though :( | 14:51 |
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| dm8tbr | I should rewrite this for meego 1.1 netbook generic image | 14:51 |
| mbn_18 | dm8tbr: I can go into console and run startx | 14:52 |
| mbn_18 | but ordinary start gets to dead end | 14:52 |
| dm8tbr | mbn_18: e.g. don't overwrite that library the 1.0 guide mentions | 14:53 |
| mbn_18 | I did that | 14:53 |
| dm8tbr | that borks x11 | 14:53 |
| mbn_18 | I should have made a copy | 14:53 |
| dm8tbr | all I did was run the vbox additions and specifically recompiled the graphics module as it didn't compile properly on meego | 14:54 |
| dm8tbr | then things started to work magically | 14:54 |
| dm8tbr | sadly once 3D was working it also started crashing the vbox instance | 14:54 |
| dm8tbr | but haven't tried if 4.0 would fix that | 14:54 |
| mbn_18 | You compiled it on another Linux ? | 14:55 |
| dm8tbr | no on the system itself | 14:55 |
| dm8tbr | I don't remember if I used the generic netbook image or the qemu image though | 14:56 |
| mbn_18 | Does it come with build packages? | 14:56 |
| dm8tbr | both are fairly simmilar | 14:56 |
| dm8tbr | zypper can fix that if build essentials are missing :) | 14:56 |
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| mbn_18 | Now something totally different. Are there good tablets out there which use MeeGo? | 14:57 |
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| dm8tbr | mbn_18: hopefully soon there will be something-like-meego-but-not-allowed-to-be-called-meego-because-of-trademark-issues-for-community-projects on Archos generation 8 tablets | 15:00 |
| dm8tbr | gen7 tablets are already shaping up well | 15:00 |
| dm8tbr | smoku is working on the latter | 15:00 |
| dm8tbr | and there is also the lenovo tablet thingy | 15:00 |
| mbn_18 | I need hardware for poweruser, lots of console/ssh and such | 15:01 |
| mbn_18 | LCD should be supper | 15:01 |
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| dm8tbr | then you don't want a tablet | 15:03 |
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| dm8tbr | typing on a touch-screen sucks by definition | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: how does the android ports deal with kernel versions? | 15:06 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: android has a recommended kernel version and a kernel-patch-set AFAIU | 15:06 |
| mbn_18 | dm8tbr: have a laptop. its too big | 15:06 |
| dm8tbr | but e.g. archos just takes the TI PSP and applies the patch and backports needed ABI etc | 15:07 |
| dm8tbr | resp TI does that already | 15:07 |
| dm8tbr | as the PSP is for android AFAICT | 15:07 |
| dm8tbr | _av500_ is not here, he would know the details | 15:07 |
| mbn_18 | dm8tbr: I can also use small bluetooth keyboard | 15:08 |
| dm8tbr | mbn_18: yes, that would work for sure | 15:08 |
| * dm8tbr recently saw a cool nokia bt-keyboard. foldable fits in a pocket | 15:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i hope smoku manages to get an uart access on a mainline plus patches.. the nonproximity to mainline will get worse and worse over time :/ we had same problem on n8x0 | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | it looks manage-able, at least | 15:14 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I'm aware of that problem but until smoku and his uber-kernel-kungfu arrived we had no chance whatsoever. I spent a weekend trying to get n900 sgx working. he just went and made it work. | 15:16 |
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| mbn_18 | Archos considered as a good tablet? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: even with the huge maemo.org community we didnt have mainline proximity until lately | 15:16 |
| dm8tbr | mbn_18: the a70 and a101 look to me like very nice meego targets | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | and n8x0 has been around for ages | 15:17 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: how 'large' in terms of active developers is it? | 15:17 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: and you realize that you just proved my general point about the kernel being a huge problem? ;-p | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: was fairly large but not many on system until mer came along | 15:17 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, do you know is the connectors of the bottom of the tablet any standard? maybe I could just get two plugs and solder the serial connector myself | 15:17 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: sadly they are not standard | 15:18 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: do you have any cable or dock for it? | 15:18 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, I have the battery dock. but it has only one plug | 15:18 |
| dm8tbr | darn :/ | 15:18 |
| dm8tbr | a cable would have been perfect. I know how to adapt that to fit into the other connector | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | the left connector has UART-TX and that's what counts | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | the right connector has UART-RX | 15:19 |
| smoku | iirc battery dock has the right plug | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | which is not thaaat important if you are just after kernel output | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | correct | 15:19 |
| dm8tbr | if you remove the metal pin it fits in the left connector too | 15:20 |
| dm8tbr | but then you'd fry something with the battery | 15:20 |
| smoku | well... I would not like to dismantle it. I would rather buy dvr dock ;-) | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: get uart on there on any kernel and let's book a day for hacking on a mainline kernel to work (might as well use we're both in warsaw..) | 15:20 |
| dm8tbr | ah right :) | 15:21 |
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| dm8tbr | I'll make sure vlado mails you the serial dock if he didn't yet | 15:21 |
| dm8tbr | it will be most likely one with RS232 connector so you'll need a null-modem cable | 15:21 |
| smoku | Stskeeps, I have a preliminary minimal port of board and display files ready. and booting it does not cause reboot loop, so it looks promising. :) i guess it just oopses or panics somewhere | 15:22 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: I have some idle cycles today and packed the serial dock can give you output | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: if you have uart you can get early_printk | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | and see it | 15:23 |
| smoku | mbn_18, as for your question - archos brings very good value for the money spent. so if you're after a nice cheap tablet, archos should cut the deal | 15:23 |
| dm8tbr | ok the solder joints survived, the serial dock should be working | 15:23 |
| dm8tbr | bonus: gen8 archos comes with dual-boot out of the box and the two large units have a capacitive touchscreen | 15:24 |
| mbn_18 | ill check this out | 15:24 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: got an kernel handy? the goose seems not fully baked yet so I could do it right now | 15:25 |
| smoku | and the non-out-of-box dual boot for gen7 is very easy to install and works very nicely. just like normal PC grub :) | 15:25 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, wait a sec | 15:25 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: thanks for the compliment. that cost me a week of my life to design and implement :) | 15:26 |
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| mbn_18 | gen8 = Archos 8 hope tablet? | 15:27 |
| mbn_18 | *home | 15:27 |
| dm8tbr | no | 15:28 |
| smoku | mbn_18, it's not that straightforward ;-) | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/EARLY_PRINTK.html , http://krishnakumar.livejournal.com/17445.html , dm8tbr | 15:28 |
| dm8tbr | avoid the home tablets like the plague! | 15:28 |
| mbn_18 | smoku: Good, the home tablet looks awful | 15:28 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: nod, I think I read those once | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: very useful(tm) | 15:29 |
| dm8tbr | mbn_18: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/index.html - from top down to a28 | 15:29 |
| dm8tbr | that's gen8 | 15:29 |
| dm8tbr | and the a5IT at the bottom is gen7 | 15:29 |
| dm8tbr | a7HT and a8HT are rockchip based china-crap™ tablets | 15:29 |
| smoku | mbn_18, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Generation_7 | 15:30 |
| mbn_18 | Cant see it there. Which country? | 15:30 |
| smoku | mbn_18, basically look for "internet tablet" or "internet media tablet" in name | 15:30 |
| dm8tbr | IMT is gen6 | 15:30 |
| dm8tbr | Archos 101, 70, 43, 32 and 28 are gen8 | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | Archos 5 is gen7 | 15:31 |
| smoku | oh yes | 15:31 |
| smoku | so don't look for internet media tablet ;-) | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | and archos 5 and 7 Internet Media Tablets are gen6 | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | and again don't even look at a7HT and a8HT | 15:31 |
| dm8tbr | meego-suitable are gen7 and gen8 | 15:32 |
| dm8tbr | as gen6 OMAP3 doesn't have SGX | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | eh, archos 5 it and imt? | 15:33 |
| dm8tbr | yes Archos marketing should be killed and quarted | 15:34 |
| dm8tbr | that's why we mainly refer to hardware generations | 15:34 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, thanks for the pointers. i will definetely bug you once i get the serial port ready :) | 15:35 |
| smoku | what do you use to get the log on the pc side? minicom? | 15:36 |
| dm8tbr | minicom, screen, ... | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | minicom or screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:36 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 15:36 |
| smoku | screen ? cute :D | 15:36 |
| dm8tbr | putty works too for those fearless | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: one of the best kept secrets | 15:43 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/archos/zImage | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: cmdline and config_early_printk setup? | 15:47 |
| smoku | aw crap. I didn't anable early printk | 15:48 |
| smoku | so w8 again ;-) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | make one for S0,S1,S2 :P | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | what kernel version? | 15:49 |
| smoku | where should I look for it | 15:49 |
| smoku | it's 2.6.37-rc3 | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, there should be some change in serial naming there.. | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | ttyO0..2 | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | (O for omap) | 15:51 |
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| mbn_18 | ohh well, will have to wait for Nvidia support | 15:51 |
| mbn_18 | mean while ill install Ubuntu for nwtbook | 15:51 |
| smoku | ok. it needs DEBUG_LL | 15:52 |
| mbn_18 | When gen8 is expected? | 15:52 |
| mbn_18 | Intel is not going to release a generic tablet especially for MeeGo? | 15:53 |
| smoku | > grep CMDLINE .config | 15:54 |
| smoku | CONFIG_CMDLINE="mem=200M root=/dev/sda2 rw media=/dev/sda1 init=/init android vram=7372800 omapfb.vram=7372800 console=ttyS2,115200n8 androidboot.console=ttyS2 extrabaud=1000000 earlyprintk=ttyS2" | 15:54 |
| smoku | CONFIG_CMDLINE_FORCE=y | 15:54 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, ok? | 15:54 |
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| dm8tbr | smoku: looks ok | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | I'll try it now | 15:54 |
| smoku | no, w8 until I build & upload it ;-) | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: what about the ttyO0 what Stskeeps mentioned? | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | mbn_18: gen8 archos is in stores | 15:55 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, you tell me which serial gen7 uses ;-) | 15:55 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: I'll trust Stskeeps here as the n900 has the same SoC | 15:56 |
| smoku | Stskeeps, oh. you mean that 2.6.37 changed the serial naming? | 15:56 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, ok. same link as before with ttyS2. I will rebuild with ttyOx in a minute | 15:57 |
| dm8tbr | ok, I'll flash it but expect it to fail :) | 15:57 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/archos/zImage-ttyO2 | 15:59 |
| dm8tbr | getting it | 16:00 |
| dm8tbr | show time! | 16:02 |
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| Miles_Davis | hello guys | 16:03 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, you will find -ttyO0 and ttyO1 kernels in the same place | 16:03 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: it should be ttyO2 | 16:04 |
| dm8tbr | no output | 16:04 |
| smoku | just in case ;-) | 16:04 |
| dm8tbr | time to reflash and verify I get output with regular kernel | 16:04 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: zero output from your kernel | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: did the order of UART ports get changed? or is it straight ttyS2 is now ttyO2? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | latter afaik | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | good | 16:16 |
| dm8tbr | means though that smoku will have to cook up an early-printk kernel | 16:16 |
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| smoku | dm8tbr, ok. thanks. I will work on it once I have the serial interface. bo tak to dupa nie robota ;-) | 16:18 |
| dm8tbr | :> | 16:18 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, how do I import (copy) a package from one OBS to another? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | osc -A apiurlfrom copypac -t apiurlto fromprj frompkg toprj topkg | 16:48 |
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| dm8tbr | http://www.openaos.org/archives/666 | 16:55 |
| dm8tbr | funny coincidence with that post number | 16:56 |
| dm8tbr | bbl, xmas goose | 16:56 |
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| lbt | jarkko^: Done :) .... Merry Christmas.... | 17:22 |
| lbt | Hey Stskeeps .... Merry Xmas to you two too | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | merry xmas to you and denise from me and bogna | 17:24 |
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| jarkko^ | lbt: thanks :) same to you | 17:34 |
| Ascen_ | is this the correct place for meego user questions? or is there another channel for it? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | forum.meego.com or here | 17:35 |
| Ascen_ | Ok. With netbook 1.1 I have a issue with network-screen - the Add new connection is disabled no matter what I do. | 17:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Ascen_: device? | 17:46 |
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| Ascen_ | Stskeeps: eeepc 900 | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Ascen_: what wifi chip? | 17:48 |
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| Ascen_ | Stskeeps: i'm just trying find out, a moment, please | 17:49 |
| kyb3R | 'lspci' perhaps? | 17:59 |
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| Ascen_ | Stskeeps: atheros 5700, according to one source | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Ascen_: should work.. atom processor? | 18:00 |
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| dm8tbr | hmmm at least the netbook qemu image has 'quiet' twice in the kernel cmdline. is this intended or should I file a bug? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | sounds wrong | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | Merry Christmas spyro \o | 21:34 |
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| SwedeMike | what are the odds that functionality like http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/wiki/LDPreloadNat64 could make it into something that is easy for users to install in meego? | 22:06 |
| SwedeMike | what is the state of ipv6 in meego at all? | 22:06 |
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| berndhs | my meego machine works fine with ipv6 | 22:06 |
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| berndhs | connman applet doesnt know about it, but it works without the applet | 22:07 |
| SwedeMike | berndhs: what about application support? and connection manager needs to support it as well | 22:07 |
| berndhs | SwedeMike: ask the application people :) | 22:08 |
| berndhs | my applications work with ipv6 | 22:08 |
| berndhs | which applications, anything in particular ? or are you jsut fishing ? | 22:09 |
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| SwedeMike | berndhs: I work for a mobile phone operator, we'd like devices that connect to us to support ipv6 properly. right now state of affairs is not good. | 22:17 |
| SwedeMike | basically it's only symbian that works well. | 22:18 |
| SwedeMike | everything else is no-go, maemo is so-so, android and apple has no support at all. | 22:18 |
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| berndhs | that is surprising, no ipv6 on phones | 22:20 |
| berndhs | what are they thinking ? | 22:20 |
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| SwedeMike | microsoft told me wireless operators told them ipv6 wasn't needed. | 22:23 |
| beford | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg06988.html | 22:23 |
| beford | that thread on the mailiing list is related to ipv6 | 22:23 |
| SwedeMike | and it seems qualcomm charges extra for the ipv6 baseband functionality | 22:23 |
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| SwedeMike | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg07197.html is encouraging though | 22:24 |
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| SwedeMike | I like the "should be shot" attitude | 22:25 |
| SwedeMike | people doing new implementations with the v4 only apis should have their keyboards confiscated | 22:26 |
| berndhs | they probably will be shot middle of next year :P | 22:26 |
| dm8tbr | SwedeMike: had to chuckle when I read that | 22:27 |
| SwedeMike | someone should include a popup for all apps which use the old APIs saying "this app uses legacy network API and will stop to function soon" | 22:27 |
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| berndhs | if you have a meego.com account, you can add a remark to my bug http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10878 | 22:28 |
| SwedeMike | unfortunately I do not. | 22:30 |
| berndhs | they will listen more to manufacturers I think | 22:31 |
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| SwedeMike | well, I'm just a poor network operator. | 22:32 |
| berndhs | but what I'm seeing is that IPv6 is working fine, its just not visible | 22:32 |
| SwedeMike | ipv6 on ethernet I'm not worried about, I'm worried about it on the mobile side. | 22:33 |
| * dm8tbr votes up a few ipv6 bugs on BMC | 22:33 | |
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| Ascen_ | Stskeeps: thanks for the help and sorry for dropping off. meanwhile, i seem to be unable to even reconfigure my wlan0 interface. any iwconfig commands seem to work, but nothing gets really et. iwconfig wlan0 commit gives an error "SET failed on device wlan0 ; operation not supported" | 22:44 |
| Ascen_ | s/really et./really set./ | 22:45 |
| infobot | Ascen_ meant: Stskeeps: thanks for the help and sorry for dropping off. meanwhile, i seem to be unable to even reconfigure my wlan0 interface. any iwconfig commands seem to work, but nothing gets really set. iwconfig wlan0 commit gives an error "SET failed on device w... | 22:45 |
| Ascen_ | 8I .. that is such a cool bot feature! | 22:46 |
| beford | what adapter are you using Ascen_ ? | 22:46 |
| beford | I got a similar message with my rt3090 I just had to drop the rt3090.bin firmware on /lib/firmware and it worked | 22:48 |
| Ascen_ | lspci gives me network controller: RaLink RT2860 etherrnet ctrlr: atheros ar8121 | 22:48 |
| beford | RT2860 is the wireless, can you give me the vendor and hardware id? | 22:48 |
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| Ascen_ | beford: how do I get those? it's the default chip of asus eeepc900 but I'm guessing that's not what you mean. | 22:50 |
| beford | lspci -nn | 22:50 |
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| beford | btw what meego version are you using? there is a bug on 1.1 release I believe with ralink adapters | 22:53 |
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| beford | 1.2 is working ok for me | 22:54 |
| beford | except for the missing firmware which I had to add | 22:54 |
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| Ascen_ | beford: 1.1, the line with ids is "01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] | 23:05 |
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| Ascen_ | beford: 1.1, the line with ids is "01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2860 [1814:0781] | 23:15 |
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| Ascen_ | is there a 1.2 release of the netbook somewhere? the roadmap somewhere set 1.2 date far into 2011 | 23:15 |
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| beford | check this thread http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html | 23:18 |
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| beford | there are some weekly images for 1.2 but it's not released yep | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | kyb3R: what was a public url where it was said it should be meego summit <foo>? | 23:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi guys | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | hiya | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | evening kathy | 23:32 |
| RevdKathy | Evening Stskeeps | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi Kathy | 23:32 |
| RevdKathy | Quiet here - Guess everyone is Being Festive | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: maybe you remember me asking for your advice? at the end I had my own idea :) look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 | 23:33 |
| RevdKathy | Venemo_N900, that's brilliant! I used to have a little programme that would do that in windows years ago. Hours of fun! | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: the app works on desktop too :) | 23:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I just haven't packaged it for desktop yet | 23:35 |
| RevdKathy | Let me know when it's available in extras or testing and I'll d/l it! | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: it's in devel, but the guys didn't find any bugs | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | so you're safe to go | 23:36 |
| RevdKathy | Sounds good! I'll take a look. And well done on the idea! | 23:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx :) | 23:36 |
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| lbt | hey RevdKathy .... had a merry xmas ? :) | 23:37 |
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| RevdKathy | Had a bearable Christmas thank, lbt. You? | 23:38 |
| lbt | rather enjoyable ... | 23:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: if you don't wanna add devel, you can download the app and the sources here | 23:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/puzzle-master/1.0.0/ | 23:38 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: if you have a Qt creator, it takes a push of a button to run it on your desktop too | 23:39 |
| RevdKathy | Venemo_N900, It's ok, I can enable devel, collect what I want and back out very carefully, not touching any of the furniture. I'm good at that! | 23:39 |
| RevdKathy | Venemo_N900, sadly, nothing about me is Qt. ;) | 23:40 |
| lbt | mmm ... you'll enjoy the OBS then | 23:40 |
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| RevdKathy | lbt OBS? | 23:40 |
| lbt | you enable 'devel' for individual packages | 23:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: well there's a "play" button (a green triangle) in Qt creator ;) | 23:40 |
| lbt | meego equivalant of autobuilder and the maemo repos RevdKathy | 23:40 |
| RevdKathy | Right - I think! | 23:40 |
| lbt | backporting for fremantle we hope | 23:40 |
| RevdKathy | lbt - I think I follow you. Sort of. | 23:41 |
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| lbt | RevdKathy: yeah - it means that if you wanted to follow Venemo_N900's latest devel packages for that app then you wouldn't see the rest of the ...... interesting packages :) | 23:43 |
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| RevdKathy | That'd be useful. Though I'm quite able to go into devel, snatch what I want and leave. Never tempted to 'upgrade' anything to an unstable version | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | but that way you don;t get upgrades for the things you do install from devel | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | with the OBS/PPA method you can leave the repos enabled and get upgrades, without worrying about breaking anything else | 23:45 |
| lbt | yes, exactly | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | that's nice ali1234 | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | this is a good thing, and OBS does seem a bit easier to cope with than launchpad for this task (for the developer i mean) | 23:45 |
| RevdKathy | So it does the will-power temptation resisting for me - nifty! | 23:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | basically this gives you a separate repo for every program, if you want to follow the bleeding edge | 23:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: I've disabled both Extras and testing... :P | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | (not just every program, but every version of every program, if the developers choose to publish) | 23:46 |
| RevdKathy | Venemo_N900, I have both there but not enabled unless I want to go fetch something specific. | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | (well, not version, but fork/branch) | 23:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | RevdKathy: for non-power-users this is the recommended way yes. | 23:48 |
| RevdKathy | Venemo_N900, yes, I agree. Has always worked for me. I fetch items people invite me to try out usually. | 23:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | cool RevdKathy :) | 23:49 |
| RevdKathy | :) | 23:49 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lemme know if you tried my little app. if you have ideas/suggestions, they're welcome as always | 23:49 |
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| RevdKathy | I will - may be a day or two though. Am at work as normal all next week - and work is NOT normal at the moment. :( | 23:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | :( | 23:53 |
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