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| lbt | sheesh... | 00:43 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: btw our guys now even got maemo support in tieto obs to work. I suspect you had your share in this. thanks :) | 00:44 |
| lbt | :) | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | meh, ia32 isn't the same as a centrino | 00:44 |
| * MohammadAG curses PAE, looks for meego-compatible devices | 00:44 | |
| * lbt is just screaming at his machine | 00:44 | |
| lbt | AAAARRRRGGGGGG | 00:44 |
| lbt | reading the -dev and -packaging ml | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | lbt, save your voice, I found screaming doesn't usually help | 00:45 |
| lbt | Jaffa: you saw this ... | 00:45 |
| lbt | "we don't want to fill in forms" | 00:45 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: oh, our obs is already usable? :) | 00:45 |
| dm8tbr | Aard: usable as in slooowww :) | 00:46 |
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| dm8tbr | Aard: it's still the craptacular P4 frankenbox in my cubicle. but it's a start | 00:46 |
| Aard | slow as in obs-slow, or did you mess something up? :) | 00:46 |
| Aard | oh, great, not everything meego-related will build on a p4 :) | 00:47 |
| dm8tbr | Aard: I can hook you up with an account if you want to get the 'experience' first hand ;) | 00:47 |
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| Aard | well, I'd like to test maemo builds, and as I don't think cobs will allow me to... ;) | 00:48 |
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| lbt | maemo obs will | 00:54 |
| Aard | lbt: does maemo obs do meego builds as well? ;) | 00:54 |
| lbt | yes | 00:54 |
| lbt | but we've not updated it for a bit | 00:55 |
| Aard | oh, didn't know that. interesting. | 00:55 |
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| lbt | yep | 00:57 |
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| lbt | the OBS install badly needs updating though | 00:57 |
| lbt | can give you an account if you like | 00:58 |
| Aard | maemo obs install? | 01:00 |
| Aard | yes please | 01:00 |
| lbt | yes | 01:00 |
| Aard | other people collect christmas cards, I'm collecting obs accounts ;) | 01:01 |
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| npm | Is http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker the right API for accessing the "Tracker System" in Meego? | 02:11 |
| npm | (even though it's Maemo application framework) | 02:12 |
| npm | and is there an equivalent for Meego? | 02:12 |
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| CosmoHill | oh that's right, I have IRC open | 02:13 |
| npm | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-July/001210.html i guess there's a separate one for meego... | 02:14 |
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| jonnor | npm: what makes you think they are different? | 02:31 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | damn you beat me to the greeting | 02:42 |
| Termana | :p | 02:42 |
| lcuk | morning 2 | 02:42 |
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| * lcuk drunk lots of Guinness tonight | 02:48 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm been banning people left right and centre on the forums I hang out on | 02:48 |
| lcuk | eek | 02:49 |
| lcuk | thats not christmasy | 02:50 |
| lcuk | was nice in bar i was in | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | it's like, 25 so far | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | since yesterday... | 02:50 |
| lcuk | what are they saing | 02:50 |
| lcuk | y | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | -spam | 02:52 |
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| npm | if anybody has comments on http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/wiki/CitizenJournalismWithYoutubeDirectForMeego please let me know | 03:56 |
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| pixelgeek | npm - looks great, really well written, clear and understandable. I'm looking forward to seeing the results :) | 05:23 |
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| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 | 08:14 |
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| khertan | Morning | 09:21 |
| Termana | morning khertan | 09:24 |
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| haoxu | I want to try obs on build.pub.meego.com, but I simply cannot register an account. Does anyone know how can I get access to meego build service? | 09:44 |
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| dm8tbr | haoxu: you need to poke lbt or x-fade about this and also explain why you want it | 09:59 |
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| haoxu | thanks. | 10:03 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: No didn't see that. | 10:06 |
| lbt | haoxu: hi .... sure.... what are you planning on doing? | 10:06 |
| lbt | Jaffa: I'm gobsmacked at how casual it seems to be | 10:07 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Indeed. Presumably that is more of the fuss about providing auditability and trackability for *why* a change is being made? | 10:08 |
| haoxu | For now I just want to be familiar with the OBS system, so it's not available for public use? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, think there is a disconnect in communication somewhere | 10:09 |
| lbt | yes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | (that program office doesnt seem too terribly efficient is part of that..) | 10:10 |
| haoxu | So if I want to try out some meego modules such as QMF, how do I build it without OBS system? | 10:11 |
| lbt | haoxu: the community OBS is for building OSI apps ... just making sure you weren't planning on doing closed stuff | 10:12 |
| lbt | or on trying to rebuild all of meego or something like that | 10:12 |
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| lbt | haoxu: ? | 10:17 |
| haoxu | Thank you for answering, but I'm still no sure how to build QMF though. | 10:17 |
| lbt | are you doing opensource development? | 10:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: how on earth are we supposed to make effective use of QA around the world if these guys thing BZ is a waste of time? | 10:20 |
| haoxu | I'm new to this, not sure I'm right or not, but to build a module like QMF, there's a lot dependency to other packages, OBS seems a good way to deal with that. | 10:21 |
| lbt | haoxu: fairly simple question: are you doing opensource development? | 10:21 |
| haoxu | not yet | 10:21 |
| lbt | so you can't use the community OBS for it | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think there hasnt been a good explanation of the reasons and whys.. keep in mind QA in intel hasnt been terribly strong | 10:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: hence the title of my email | 10:22 |
| Macer | wow i knocked my head real hard today and man did that suck | 10:24 |
| haoxu | Is it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | haoxu: basically community OBS is for open source development, everyone can see your source code in there :) | 10:25 |
| haoxu | Is it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont have right to use it, or it's simply not correct to build modules like QMF using OBS? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | haoxu: so if you intend to do closed source development on there, its not the right place | 10:25 |
| lbt | haoxu: no, it's not that. We get people trying to build closed code for their company on the OBS. That's not the right thing to do. | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | haoxu: qmf should be built in obs :) | 10:25 |
| lbt | If you want to develop code in public with an open license then you can use the OBS | 10:26 |
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| haoxu | Ok, I get it, thank you. And if i get some idea on maybe some opensource module of meego, how do I try it out? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | haoxu: get srpm from repo.meego.com :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, but basically this conversation can't proceed without program office, releng and QA people coming in and slamming a fist on the table.. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, current $DATE makes that difficult | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, but this whole fea#-submission checklist-qa chain doesn't work with a slow program management :/ there should be a 24hour turnaround on simple sub-fea's | 10:32 |
| lbt | yes | 10:32 |
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| lbt | but if this communication is happening itrw then we're doomed | 10:32 |
| lbt | and that does appear to be the case | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | itrw? | 10:36 |
| kyb3R | morning | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, according to some mails it goes on by mailing people directly to push things ahead, which isnt a sign of a sound process.. | 10:38 |
| lbt | in the real world | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Product_Management - came in 1-2 days ago, so maybe things will change | 10:39 |
| lbt | oh great another core person on the same continent | 10:39 |
| lbt | I think there should be a rule that the top 4 people in each area must live in different TZs | 10:40 |
| lbt | and have their phones taken away | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i think there should be a midway between efficient evolvment of distro and release engineering/qa/product management cos process is too damn slow atm :P | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | and identifying the bottleneck early is important, or 1.2 is screwed | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | a picture of how everything is glued together is important, cos we only see parts of the whole picture atm | 10:47 |
| lbt | *nod* | 10:53 |
| lbt | it struck me in Dublin that the RE meeting was held in a room before the conference | 10:53 |
| lbt | it should have been streamed | 10:54 |
| lbt | not locked away | 10:54 |
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| lbt | communication is still the biggest issue | 10:54 |
| lbt | and frankly the fragmentation doesn't help | 10:54 |
| kyb3R | rarely does | 10:56 |
| lbt | Jaffa: thanks ... I find eloquence in email really hard | 10:56 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: I'm just pontificating, though | 10:58 |
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| lbt | I don't think so :) | 10:58 |
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| lcuk | lbt, fragmentation: having the code for meego specific apps in one place (with public merge requests and collaborative features available via gitorious) is good, but then let down drastically by having packaging in a seperate non web linkable collaborative fragmented location is saddening | 11:02 |
| lcuk | anyone can easily anonymously get the gitorious stuff and with a bit of will can build the apps themselves | 11:04 |
| lcuk | but they cant generate rpms for them to test install on even their own system without the massive uphillness | 11:04 |
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| lcuk | meego netbook + gcc + some sprinkling of -devel libraries is practically same as a normal linux system and understandable to most hackers out there who will happily fix stuff | 11:05 |
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| lbt | lcuk: I know | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 is the gplv3 bug fwiw | 11:49 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | which seems fairly reasonable | 11:57 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, can you really take gpl3 code and include it in gpl2 applications without breaking the license ? | 12:01 |
| lcuk | or do patches for backports have to be reimplemented? | 12:02 |
| lbt | lcuk: no you can't - yes they do | 12:07 |
| lcuk | roger | 12:07 |
| * lcuk does like the ]note] section on that bug report though :) | 12:09 | |
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| lcuk | [note] even | 12:09 |
| smoku | lcuk, IMO you can. GPLv3 is compatible with GPLv2 and you can link this code together. of course imported part have to keep their GPLv3 license, so you wull end up with mixed GPLv2 + GPLv3 code. you will have to distribute both licenses with your software, etc. | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | smoku, read the bug | 12:16 |
| lcuk | that Stskeeps just highlighted | 12:16 |
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| smoku | lcuk, I wasn't here at the moment, so I don't have that history | 12:17 |
| smoku | oh joys of irc :) | 12:17 |
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| smoku | we have fixed that in Jabber ages ago ;-) | 12:17 |
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| lcuk | lol | 12:17 |
| lcuk | bug 11589 | 12:18 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 enh, Undecided, ---, yan.i.li, ACCE, [FEA] Using GPLv2 variants for base packages | 12:18 |
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| smoku | lcuk, and what exactly is the problem with GPLv3? (the bug does not mention this) | 12:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Yup, that seems like a very sensible bug to do simple reverts of various packages. It should then have a list of affected packages and if any backport-rework is required a more specific bug raisedl | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | smoku: People like Nokia don't like it for products | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | smoku: Especially products which may need a security framework for DRM video content | 12:47 |
| smoku | Jaffa, because? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: problem is that there isnt enough legal analysis/case law about the more anti drm things.. | 12:48 |
| smoku | anti-patent clauses? | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | And company lawyers' default position is paranoid | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | Anti-Tivoisation stuff too, IIRC | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | anti security might make IVI difficult as well cos there is very hard regulation | 12:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so, people are a bit 'wary' | 12:49 |
| smoku | oh right. this is about stuff that prevents "here's the source, but you won't be able to put it on the device anyway because of crypto"? right? | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | merry xmas people: http://xkcd.com/ | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: except it blocks other things too | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | it is a complex matter and i cant blame companies of being careful | 12:52 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 12:52 |
| RST38h | moo all | 12:52 |
| smoku | yes. understandable. | 12:52 |
| smoku | GPLv3 is very young in company terms. v2 is a known old beast | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | so to allow people to adapt meego with less fear, gplv2 is saner :P | 12:53 |
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| jbos | hello there | 12:58 |
| jbos | is it possible to run a meegotouch application on meego netbook release | 12:58 |
| jbos | I get strange crashes with theme deamon stuff and dbus | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: :-D | 13:00 |
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| jonnor | jbos: you probably want to install the handset ux and test there | 13:29 |
| jbos | i have a ideapad | 13:30 |
| jbos | so, well but i thought that this just works also on netbook | 13:31 |
| jbos | i mean if not this is really crap. (I try to get firefox mobile, from hg.meego.com) on netbook working | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | install fennec-qt | 13:32 |
| lcuk | ?jbos, specifically which applications are oyu installing (apart from ff mobile) ? any specific limeegotouch apps? | 13:33 |
| jbos | sure i could just use plain qt version, but then its missing most of the stuff | 13:33 |
| jbos | none appart from that yet | 13:34 |
| lcuk | jbos, try one of the simpler bugs, try best to diagnose exactly whats missing and file a bug is best advice I can give | 13:35 |
| lcuk | one of the simpler apps ^ | 13:35 |
| jbos | :D | 13:35 |
| jbos | yes, well seems like the way to go, well at least non of the important stuff is running in netbook release | 13:35 |
| jbos | like meego-im-uiserver | 13:35 |
| lcuk | #you can put the handset UX on the ideapad | 13:36 |
| jbos | themedeamon | 13:36 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 13:36 |
| lcuk | specifically tailored instructions for ideapad users :) | 13:36 |
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| jbos | well yea. But i actually wanted to explicitly also have it running on netbook. But I see, that is not even useing libmeegotouch? | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | jbos, yes | 13:38 |
| jbos | bit confusing, i must say... | 13:38 |
| lcuk | that uses lmt | 13:38 |
| lcuk | its possible that after you install those extra packages then your bug will be cured | 13:39 |
| lcuk | even on the netbook ux | 13:39 |
| jbos | ok i will check | 13:39 |
| lcuk | so may help identify and rectify your issue | 13:39 |
| jbos | thanks and hey merry xmas :) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | \o merry xmas to you, hope it works | 13:42 |
| jbos | ah another issue, the wireless does not work on the ideapad | 13:42 |
| jbos | its a S10-3t | 13:42 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:42 |
| lcuk | theres 2 models of wifi cards in them | 13:42 |
| jbos | i assume that there are different hardware versions of the same series | 13:42 |
| lcuk | one works with OSS drivers (atheros card afaik) | 13:43 |
| lcuk | and theres another which needs other drivers | 13:43 |
| lcuk | but IDK where to get them from, hold on it might already be documented on the wiki | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | did you get your ideapad from meegoconf? | 13:43 |
| jbos | no | 13:43 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad | 13:43 |
| lcuk | well lots of meego devs did, so happily theres a lot of documentation and tips | 13:44 |
| lcuk | and you can expect any niggles to be ironed out asap :) | 13:44 |
| jbos | wasn't there, well some of my colleges did get one, but i assume this little dude is one we bought our self. I borrowed it over the holidays | 13:44 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:45 |
| lcuk | they are certainly nice machines :) | 13:45 |
| lcuk | great little sporty convertable | 13:45 |
| jbos | yep i like it. Well i wanted actually to kickoff a little private project (open source) over the holydays... but as always i kept hanging on trying and checking how best to compile and such stuff :) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | cool | 13:48 |
| jbos | I don't know but i miss my scratchbox :D | 13:48 |
| lcuk | jbos, on the ideapad itself you can of course just ssh into it and pretend its a scratchbox ;) | 13:49 |
| jbos | https://wiki.mozilla.org/HowToMeegoFennecDraft | 13:49 |
| jbos | just took fennec/xulrunner as a testcase | 13:49 |
| jbos | to see if stuff works. Well, i mount the image and changeroot with some intel script into it | 13:50 |
| jbos | :D | 13:50 |
| jbos | issue was the images provided (partions on it) are to small to hold the sources | 13:50 |
| jbos | and build data of xulrunner | 13:51 |
| jbos | of course, and thats why i stay first on non arm. ... arm compiling is still a mystery - doing it that way. | 13:52 |
| jbos | you dont want to compile that monster on an ideapad ;) | 13:52 |
| lcuk | yeah once you are happy submit it onto obs and build for all :) | 13:52 |
| jbos | for handset my colleges already do | 13:53 |
| jbos | i think ;) | 13:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:54 |
| jbos | duno, its essential to get this running on normal public open source stuff in order to get mozilla working and fixing for meego | 13:54 |
| jbos | (but some people might like qtwebkit more) | 13:55 |
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| jbos | i will take a look on that changing desktops, its surely not very usefull needing that, as i would have expected that libmeegotouch actually works just out of the box in netbook release too | 14:00 |
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| jbos | a bit disapointing.Mostlike it sound that its the best to kick all that meegotouch stuff and use qt only, in order to be really meego compatible. | 14:02 |
| jbos | is there a onscreen keyboard for netbook? | 14:02 |
| lcuk | yes | 14:03 |
| jbos | does it work like the libmeegotouch one? | 14:03 |
| jbos | or better, is it the same? | 14:03 |
| lcuk | ahh misread question | 14:04 |
| lcuk | netbook itself doesnt have one OOTB afaik | 14:05 |
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| jbos | mhm ok. | 14:05 |
| jbos | thats all pretty strange, do you know whats the plan with this netbook release, will this become libmeegotouch? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | qt/qml eventually prolly | 14:07 |
| jbos | i see so using libmeegotouch is like a dead end. and will only work on handset? | 14:08 |
| jbos | but not useing it means less good integration into handset (lookalike, consistency) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: agreed - qt quick components will allow integration | 14:11 |
| lcuk | well jbos to answer your first question, no - in my eyes its a bug that lmt applications are not running on netbook | 14:11 |
| jbos | ok, i will place some bugs i think against lmt. | 14:12 |
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| jbos | i will first make some simple test apps, otherwise they wont listen ;) | 14:12 |
| lcuk | whatever the future and alternatives and stuff, having lmt running and working is important as you say :) | 14:12 |
| jbos | yep. | 14:13 |
| lcuk | thanks jbos if you ping me and highlight any bugs you file along that basis I will vote and try to follow them through | 14:13 |
| jbos | hey i started a little blog about meego development, a bit sidetracked of the usual "qtcreator" | 14:14 |
| jbos | its www.jeremias-bosch.de | 14:14 |
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| jbos | Its just one post though ;) next will follow these days. I think this desktop switch is a good topic too | 14:15 |
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| jbos | so, my girlfriend is grabbing me away from the keyboard. Thanks so far and again, happy xmas. | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | \o jbos | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | lol @ bug 11688 | 14:50 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 maj, Undecided, ---, markus.lehtonen, NEW, [Trunk : testing] Orientation has wrong direction on N900. | 14:50 |
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| Termana | MERRY CHRISTMAS! | 15:48 |
| CosmoHill | hey Termana, merry christmas to you too :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | merry xmas | 15:49 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, Stskeeps - doing much for today/tomorrow? (I think it's still tomorrow for the both of you, though I don't exactly know CosmoHill's timezone :p) | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | today | 15:51 |
| CosmoHill | it's xmas eve | 15:51 |
| Termana | yeah, anyway doing much for Christmas day? :p | 15:52 |
| CosmoHill | having dinner at home with my parents and then going round my uncle's in the evening | 15:52 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, you've flown to somewhere obviously, because in Poland it should still be the 24th shouldn't it? :p | 15:54 |
| berndhs | merry christmas to everyone | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | .dk, and we celebrate on 24th | 15:54 |
| Termana | berndhs, merry christmas | 15:54 |
| lcuk | Merry Christmas!!! | 15:56 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, ah ok :p Is that just something your family does specifically or am I just silly and never realised it was celebrated on the 24th there? | 15:57 |
| Termana | lcuk, Merry Christmas :) | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: latter | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | xmas eve | 15:58 |
| Termana | Ah well, no better day than today to learn something new hey? :p | 16:00 |
| CosmoHill | like how to unwrap a kids present | 16:01 |
| CosmoHill | the ones that have many wires holding it into the packaging | 16:01 |
| Termana | heh | 16:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I remember round my cousins one year, it was awesome cos the whole family that lived in town was there | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | I turned to my cousin at the xmas table and he was wearing a ninjamask | 16:04 |
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| MindWarper | :o | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | indeed | 16:36 |
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| MindWarper | :'( | 16:44 |
| * CosmoHill hugs MindWarper | 16:45 | |
| MindWarper | fag | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | queer | 16:45 |
| MindWarper | :@ | 16:45 |
| CosmoHill | are you trying to eat your keyboard again? | 16:45 |
| berndhs | is FAQ and insult too ? | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | I watch a program called Game FAQs and they pronounce is "Game Facts" | 16:47 |
| MindWarper | :( | 16:47 |
| MindWarper | gtfo | 16:47 |
| lcuk | MindWarper, play nice with the other children. | 16:48 |
| berndhs | most FAQ authors have never seen a question | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | berndhs: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt >.> | 16:49 |
| MindWarper | epic fail | 16:49 |
| RST38h | CosmoHill: Better than game-fuck-yous though | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | did I mention it was on a kids TV channel? | 16:49 |
| * lcuk stores up MindWarper's entries for QOTD | 16:49 | |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, your faw should be on the wiki | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: as long as their first item isn't the wii | 16:50 |
| lcuk | and then we can all add things if required | 16:50 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: Now, when you mention it...=) | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I'll tell you what, I'm have a shower and then I'll add it afterwards | 16:50 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: just now but in the form of a question | 16:50 |
| lcuk | awesome :D | 16:50 |
| MindWarper | The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of the gun. | 16:51 |
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| MindWarper | For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three. | 16:52 |
| berndhs | shooting requires a great deal of self discipline and self control | 16:53 |
| lcuk | berndhs, no it doesn't, but to be anywhere near accurate and safe etc.. | 16:55 |
| berndhs | lcuk:well sure, doing it wrong is usually easy | 16:55 |
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| MindWarper | We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails. | 16:57 |
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| berndhs | MindWarper: sailing directly downwind is slow, it takes the wind out of your sails | 16:58 |
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| MindWarper | Keep cool and you command everybody. | 16:59 |
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| MindWarper | You cannot be really first-rate at your work if your work is all you are. | 17:00 |
| MindWarper | Knowledge is power. | 17:00 |
| MindWarper | However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. | 17:01 |
| MindWarper | Human beings have an inalienable right to invent themselves. | 17:02 |
| MindWarper | The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. | 17:02 |
| MindWarper | Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. | 17:03 |
| MindWarper | Follow your inclinations with due regard to the policeman round the corner. | 17:03 |
| MindWarper | If you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think. | 17:04 |
| MindWarper | Toughness doesn't have to come in a pinstriped suit. | 17:04 |
| MindWarper | I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. | 17:05 |
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| MindWarper | Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk. | 17:05 |
| MindWarper | Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do. | 17:07 |
| MindWarper | It's funny how dogs and cats know the inside of folks better than other folks do, isn't it? | 17:07 |
| MindWarper | Please give me some good advice in your next letter. I promise not to follow it. | 17:08 |
| MindWarper | Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. | 17:08 |
| MindWarper | Silence is a text easy to misread. | 17:09 |
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| MindWarper | Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing. | 17:09 |
| MindWarper | Be neither too remote nor too familiar. | 17:10 |
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| MindWarper | When you have a number of disagreeable duties to perform, always do the most disagreeable first. | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | right | 17:11 |
| MindWarper | When a thing is done, it's done. Don't look back. Look forward to your next objective. | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | is the ramdom quorm | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | quote hour over soon? | 17:12 |
| MindWarper | A friend is a gift you give yourself. | 17:12 |
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| MindWarper | Friends are born, not made. | 17:13 |
| MindWarper | Often the best way to overcome desire is to satisfy it. | 17:13 |
| Myrtti | MindWarper: hi | 17:13 |
| MindWarper | Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer. | 17:13 |
| MindWarper | You should not live one way in private, another in public. | 17:14 |
| Myrtti | hi, MindWarper | 17:15 |
| MindWarper | I trust that everything happens for a reason, even when we're not wise enough to see it. | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | troll? | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | yes | 17:15 |
| Myrtti | spouted smileys on another channel earlier in similar fasion | 17:16 |
| * CosmoHill kicks his computer | 17:16 | |
| MindWarper | I've never quite believed that one chance is all I get. | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | huh, violence can solve problems | 17:16 |
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| CosmoHill | MindWarper: what is 3 + 3? | 17:16 |
| MindWarper | A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind. | 17:17 |
| thiago | 7, 8... | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | he's using correct grammar, he can't be human | 17:17 |
| MindWarper | Man's main task is to give birth to himself. | 17:17 |
| MindWarper | Never regret something that once made you smile. | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | can someone get rid of him? | 17:18 |
| MindWarper | Never regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it's bad, it's experience. | 17:18 |
| MindWarper | It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy. | 17:19 |
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| welfg | sadkjg | 17:20 |
| MindWarper | I show up. I listen. I try to laugh. | 17:20 |
| welfg | what is meego | 17:20 |
| thiago | welfg: www.meego.com | 17:20 |
| welfg | i wont go there | 17:20 |
| MindWarper | There is no security on this earth, there is only opportunity. | 17:21 |
| thiago | welfg: ok | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | welfg: google is your friend | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | welfg: then you'll never know what meego is | 17:21 |
| MindWarper | To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. | 17:21 |
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| welfg | ok that is some linux trash | 17:21 |
| thiago | welfg: try this: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 17:22 |
| thiago | _mm_set_epi32 (__Z=-2830136, __Y=-2830136, __X=-2830136, __W=-2830136) | 17:22 |
| thiago | at C:/MinGW/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/include/emmintri | 17:22 |
| thiago | n.h:609 | 17:22 |
| thiago | aah... wrong clipboard | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: firefox get you too? | 17:22 |
| thiago | never mind, you're a troll | 17:22 |
| MindWarper | If an idea's worth having once, it's worth having twice. | 17:22 |
| welfg | someone advertised of this channel in #freenode | 17:22 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: no. It was a wrong shortcut. PRIMARY vs CLIPBOARD. | 17:22 |
| welfg | complaining of some bot with cooL random quotes | 17:22 |
| welfg | where is the spam bot ? | 17:22 |
| welfg | how to receive spam ? | 17:23 |
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| CosmoHill | welfg: please leave and take your bot with you | 17:23 |
| MindWarper | It is wise to apply the oil of refined politeness to the mechanisms of friendship. | 17:24 |
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| Myrtti | advertised? hardly | 17:24 |
| m4k3r | Hello. I'm following this guide http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd to restore my n900. I need to edit my etc/shells file, but I'm unable to type any char except litrals+'<'+'>'. Any option I can pass to flasher -b to set another kbd layout? | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | reported s problem. | 17:24 |
| MindWarper | There is only one you? Don't you dare change just because you're outnumbered! | 17:24 |
| welfg | how to install meego in WM6.1 phone ? | 17:25 |
| thiago | welfg: erase WM6.1 | 17:25 |
| MindWarper | Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. | 17:25 |
| thiago | welfg: then use the flasher tool to install MeeGo | 17:25 |
| welfg | but phone still has 2 months warranty remaining | 17:26 |
| welfg | will do after tath | 17:26 |
| welfg | how to use phone's GPS as GPS device for PC ? | 17:26 |
| welfg | like usb-gps | 17:26 |
| CosmoHill | welfg: go to the phone manufacturer's website for more details | 17:27 |
| MindWarper | It is when power is wedded to chronic fear that it becomes formidable. | 17:27 |
| MindWarper | All people want is someone to listen. | 17:28 |
| smoku | MindWarper, could you please stop spamming the # | 17:28 |
| berndhs | can someone turn off MindWarper ? | 17:28 |
| MindWarper | Whoever gossips to you will gossip about you. | 17:28 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: ping | 17:29 |
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| MindWarper | There is nothing like dream to create the future. Utopia to-day, flesh and blood tomorrow. | 17:31 |
| * CosmoHill pokes jeremiah | 17:31 | |
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| MindWarper | A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. | 17:33 |
| KB1JWQ | MindWarper: That'll do. | 17:34 |
| welfg | ASIfj | 17:34 |
| welfg | so meego is an OS ? | 17:34 |
| MindWarper | ho you didnt liked that last one did you ? | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | welfg: go to meego.com to find out | 17:34 |
| thiago | welfg: a Linux distribution for embedded devices | 17:34 |
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| CosmoHill | MindWarper: what month were you born in? | 17:34 |
| MindWarper | im sagitarian | 17:35 |
| thiago | MindWarper: that's not a month | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | MindWarper: which one is not a number: 1, seven, 28, cake | 17:36 |
| welfg | meego is google's company/ | 17:36 |
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| thiago | no | 17:36 |
| thiago | pretty much as anti-google as it can be | 17:36 |
| CosmoHill | welfg: if you want answers I suggest you get off your arse and look for them | 17:36 |
| MindWarper | Im not a number | 17:37 |
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| MindWarper | meego = EPIC FAIL | 17:37 |
| araujo | why? | 17:38 |
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| thiago | araujo: because MindWarper is a troll | 17:38 |
| thiago | araujo: don't pay attention | 17:38 |
| MindWarper | im just a fortune teller | 17:38 |
| araujo | I see | 17:38 |
| thiago | MindWarper: no, you're not. You're just a troll who annoys everyone. | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | it's a bot with an controller who is probably in the channel watching | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | welfg: why are you connected to Freenode's London server when you're IP says your in Australia? | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | you're* | 17:40 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: automatic connection | 17:40 |
| welfg | i saw that in the site | 17:40 |
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| CosmoHill | there must be a nearer server | 17:40 |
| thiago | CosmoHill: not if you use automatic rotation | 17:40 |
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| Fieldy | doesn't really matter anyway | 17:41 |
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| MindWarper | all your words are belong to UK | 17:41 |
| welfg | Download.MeeGo v1.1 for Netbooks (Google Chrome Browser) | 17:41 |
| welfg | This release requires accepting the Google Chrome end user license agreement (EULA). | 17:41 |
| welfg | looks like made by google | 17:42 |
| welfg | whatever | 17:42 |
| thiago | Chrome is made by google | 17:42 |
| thiago | MeeGo isn't | 17:42 |
| MindWarper | its an meego is a chromeOS apetizer | 17:42 |
| MindWarper | meego is a chromeOS apetizer | 17:43 |
| MindWarper | :p | 17:43 |
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| MindWarper | lukus is a HACKER | 17:44 |
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| MindWarper | puffin = HACKER | 17:45 |
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| MindWarper | another one | 17:45 |
| puffin | ? | 17:45 |
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| MindWarper | they are the HACKERS MINIONS | 17:45 |
| puffin | ! | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | puffin: troll | 17:46 |
| puffin | . | 17:46 |
| MindWarper | :D | 17:46 |
| CosmoHill | MindWarper:, not you | 17:46 |
| welfg | iHaCkEr | 17:46 |
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| welfg | i shut down pufin's puter | 17:47 |
| MindWarper | whats meegos irc client ? | 17:47 |
| welfg | mirc | 17:47 |
| MindWarper | bullshit | 17:47 |
| welfg | 7.14 | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | someone please get ride of both of them | 17:48 |
| MindWarper | stfu HACKER | 17:48 |
| welfg | meego is not irc client | 17:48 |
| welfg | its an OS | 17:48 |
| welfg | . | 17:48 |
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| MindWarper | wel fagot | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so who wants to be kicked? | 17:49 |
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| welfg | i get bak afte christmas | 17:49 |
| welfg | and | 17:49 |
| welfg | kik Stskeeps: | 17:49 |
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| MindWarper | they are the HACKERS MINIONS | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | kick MindWarper | 17:50 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 17:50 | |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*nobel@*.dsl.telepac.pt | 17:51 | |
| *** MindWarper was kicked by Stskeeps (please stop spouting random stuff, we have pupnik and CosmoHill for that ;)) | 17:51 | |
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| CosmoHill | :o | 17:51 |
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| thiago | lol | 17:51 |
| * CosmoHill is currently creating a FAQ for meego | 17:51 | |
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| RST38h | OMG Stskeeps killed the fortune cookie database!!! | 17:53 |
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| lbt | dmahurin: ah, you're back | 18:04 |
| lbt | here's fine for OBS chat | 18:04 |
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| lbt | what are you planning on doing? opensource app stuff? | 18:04 |
| dmahurin | ok, thanks, | 18:04 |
| dmahurin | I work at nokia | 18:05 |
| CosmoHill | what processor does Meego Support, Arm7l? | 18:05 |
| dmahurin | i work on meego related stuff | 18:06 |
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| lbt | dmahurin: OK - so the community OBS is for 'personal' development out in the open | 18:07 |
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| lbt | are you after meego core OBS or do you just want to hack on your own apps :) | 18:07 |
| lbt | (or should we be talking internally about the nokia OBS?) | 18:08 |
| dmahurin | I'm just trying to setup obs for testing currently, but I may want to create my own apps at some point ... | 18:09 |
| araujo | CosmoHill, yes | 18:10 |
| lbt | OK - so what's your meego.com acct? | 18:10 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's ARM8 | 18:10 |
| dmahurin | dmahurin | 18:10 |
| lbt | :) | 18:10 |
| lbt | done | 18:11 |
| dmahurin | thanks | 18:11 |
| araujo | armv7el | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | what's meego's GUI package manager? | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | araujo: thanks | 18:11 |
| araujo | zypper | 18:11 |
| araujo | err | 18:11 |
| araujo | gui, not yet I guess | 18:11 |
| lbt | dmahurin: so where in Nokia do you work? | 18:12 |
| lbt | with ... ?Senthil? | 18:13 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm gonna need someone's help with the wiki in a moment | 18:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I want to create wiki.meego.com/FAQ | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | but there's a plan text file there | 18:21 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ | 18:26 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 18:26 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: what do you think? | 18:27 |
| berndhs | looks too professional :P | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | too honest too | 18:28 |
| RST38h | Cosmo: AFAIK not all Core2s are supported | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | notice the weasel words used on the rest of the site where they skirt around the SSSE3 issue | 18:28 |
| CosmoHill | really? | 18:28 |
| RST38h | Those that do not have SSSE3 are out of luck | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | all Core2 has SSSE3 | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | Sure about it? I remember people with Core2 unsuccesfully trying to run Meego | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | they probably had nvidia graphics or something | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | some really old netbooks had celeron processors, also not supported | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: wikipedia says all Core 2 have SSSE3 | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: by really old do you mean the PC World xmas sale? | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | i mean eeepc 701 old | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, Intel Core doesn't have SSSE3 but Celeron's based on Core do | 18:34 |
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| ali1234 | it's just a confusing mess basically | 18:34 |
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| CosmoHill | and VT is pot luck | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | this is why i buy AMD | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | thankfully MS removed the VT restriction for XP Mode | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea what that even means | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | basically my copy of Windows 7 came with a free copy of Windows XP Pro, but I couldn't use it because my laptop didn't support VT | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | why would you even want that? | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | because I'm a student and VMware are bastards | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | why do you need two versions of windows? | 18:37 |
| xrmx | hi, i've just installed meego 1.1 on my aspire one, unfortunately when i try to update the software the updater warns supposedely about some public key that is not valid anymore (sorry but the error message in italian does not make any sense) and then it is stuck with "refreshing list of software", any hint? | 18:37 |
| CosmoHill | they won't let you download the latest software directory so you have to download an old version that doesn't support windows 7 and then update it | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: the XP is a virtual machine for business users so they can upgrade the main OS but still support old software | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | lol, windows 7 isn;t compatible with windows xp? | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | i mean software that doesn't work with win7 but works with winXP | 18:38 |
| * araujo wonders how long it might take compiling Qt in the N900 | 18:39 | |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I'm doing databases next year, I should find out what DB we're gonna be using | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | araujo: I heard it took hours and hours...on a Intel Xeon... | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | araujo: 5 times as long :-D | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | it takes about 2 hours on a 3.2ghz quad core | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | okay, it took hour and hour | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | considering the n900 has only 256mb ram, swapping is going to be the killer. i would guess about 3 days? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: yep | 18:41 |
| araujo | Qt compiles fast in Core i7 | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: quiet literarily, it might kill the microSD card | 18:41 |
| araujo | mm... | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CosmoHill: nah | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: you might be able to help me with this: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50128 | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | lol intel | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | CosmoHill: those are still amazingly hard on taking write-cycles | 18:42 |
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| ali1234 | "i dunno lol" | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | I killed a 1GB microHD, it's death sounded like the game Asteroids | 18:43 |
| araujo | hehe | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | my motherboard supposedly has all solid state caps (no electrolytics) - i picked it since all my motherboards in the past have died from bad caps | 18:43 |
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| CosmoHill | cool | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: amazing | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | didn't know there's such huge X7R or the like | 18:48 |
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| ali1234 | you think it's just marketing BS? | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | no no, I'd just be interested in having a look at it and see how it's actually built | 18:51 |
| CosmoHill | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=15317#post15317 | 18:51 |
| ali1234 | well, here it is: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=19613 | 18:52 |
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| ali1234 | those cans look suspiciously like electrolytics though | 18:52 |
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| CosmoHill | ali1234: what motherboard manufacturer would you recommend? | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | (or what would you avoid) | 18:53 |
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| ali1234 | hmm let's see... i would avoid ... asrock | 18:53 |
| ali1234 | anything with via chips on it | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | ASUS? Meh. | 18:57 |
| CosmoHill | I've been told that Asrock is Asus's budget range | 18:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hey puffin | 19:10 |
| puffin | hey. | 19:10 |
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| CosmoHill | wtf | 19:38 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm running VLC on my desktop and I've just noticed the logo in the corner has a santa's hat on | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, well tbh he would look equally silly in a bowler hat | 19:43 |
| lcuk | if thats date aware easter egg though thats awesome | 19:43 |
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| lbt | It is with regret we announce the death of Santa Claus....... | 21:24 |
| lbt | ..... but if you're going grow a long white beard and live in a grotto then it's only a matter of time until the americans bomb the shit out you | 21:24 |
| CosmoHill | lols | 21:25 |
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| kyb3R | there is a lot of wild Santa's in Lapland (according to Rare Exports) | 21:27 |
| lcuk | lol lbt | 21:29 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, FAW is awesome beans! | 21:29 |
| lcuk | FAQ even | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | I added stuff to it from my orginal | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=FAQ | 21:30 |
| lcuk | whats up with the wiki btw | 21:30 |
| lcuk | referencing page by direct title asks me to save contents instead of displaying | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | go to wiki.meego.com/FAQ | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and also when I just edited it and added a question it did same when I clicked save | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | it tells you where you get get the old and new FAQ for Metawiki | 21:31 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: oo good idea, please tell people at the top to add their own questions | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | then someone can answer them | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | or maybe have a section are the bottom of unanswered questions | 21:31 |
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| diegows | hi | 22:08 |
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| diegows | any meego tablet to recommend? with gps if it's possible. with meego pre-installed or not it's the same for me | 22:09 |
| villev | anyone mined through the gingerbread sources already? I wonder if it has something we could use, like graphic assets or sound effects | 22:10 |
| beford | there is no meego device at the moment, except for the wetab, which seems to only use meego core and some element from the netbook ux | 22:13 |
| diegows | ups | 22:16 |
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| sivang | anybody has an idea why would ssh create an empty known_hosts file/. | 23:36 |
| sivang | ? | 23:36 |
| sivang | so then, a known host will never be treated as known? | 23:36 |
| mwichmann | it doesn't know any hosts? | 23:36 |
| sivang | mwichmann: well, the known_hosts file gets created empty so it has no chance to know them | 23:37 |
| sivang | for some bewildering reason | 23:37 |
| mwichmann | dunno what "usual" behavior is, but if it's first time that would seem expected - until you connect successfully | 23:38 |
| sivang | mwichmann: well, yeah, I connceted successfully for 10 times already | 23:39 |
| mwichmann | is there was already a file and it emptied it, then something's definitely broked | 23:39 |
| sivang | mwichmann: but the known_hosts file does not get the pub key of the server in it | 23:39 |
| sivang | e..g it remains empty | 23:39 |
| mwichmann | hmpf | 23:39 |
| mwichmann | possibly permissions, it created a file but can't write to it | 23:39 |
| sivang | I guess, I wonder what changed again | 23:39 |
| mwichmann | or it doesn't think the setup is secure so it doesn't | 23:40 |
| sivang | mwichmann: I guess this came with the last upgrade :-/ | 23:40 |
| mwichmann | .ssh it mode 700? | 23:40 |
| * sivang checks | 23:40 | |
| sivang | I think I found the problem | 23:42 |
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| sivang | I symlinked the .ssh directory to a backup dir before reinstalling with 10.10 | 23:42 |
| sivang | but until last upgrade this was never a problem | 23:43 |
| mwichmann | hmmm, shouldn't be a disaster | 23:43 |
| * sivang is happy got having his i5 for finally working on MeeGo in qemu | 23:43 | |
| sivang | *for | 23:43 |
| sivang | well, couple of them even :) | 23:43 |
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| mwichmann | I've had setups where I've had a multi-boot, each of which wants some unique .file setup stuff | 23:44 |
| mwichmann | a common /home/me has held stuff which doesn't need to be separate, and symlinked to the /home/distro-specific-dir | 23:44 |
| mwichmann | and that's worked | 23:44 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: yes, that along what I did but now it wouldn't use it for some reason | 23:49 |
| mwichmann | grumble | 23:51 |
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| sivang | how odd, someone added an ad link onto a wiki page I created on w.f.n.c now this deserves a grumble | 23:54 |
| * sivang wished there was a forum nokia irc channel with some folks to provide real time support | 23:56 | |
| mwichmann | mmmm, it is xmas eve.... | 23:56 |
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| sivang | mwichmann: true :) | 23:57 |
| sivang | mwichmann: and if you can celebrate here (not much celebrated here) then you better got out and do it :) | 23:58 |
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