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tomma | alterego, there is remote compiler for qt-creator to compiler for symbian or maemo without sdk | 00:04 |
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alterego | I know | 00:05 |
dagger | any idea where can I get md5_shaX-obsd-201011.tar.gz? | 00:05 |
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ali1234 | MohammadAG: you don't need OBS to do kernel builds, it's one of the easiest things to cross compile | 00:31 |
ali1234 | you don't even need a full toolchain | 00:31 |
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MohammadAG | I need rpm support to get a proper patch set, I'm not sure who thought of that system for distributing patches | 00:32 |
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ali1234 | i don't even understand what that means | 00:33 |
ali1234 | a patch set is just... a set of patches | 00:33 |
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alterego | And an rpm is just an archive | 00:34 |
alterego | You can decompress with cpio | 00:34 |
ali1234 | exactly | 00:34 |
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ali1234 | uncompress rpm, apply on your local git repo, git format-patch, send result to mailing list | 00:34 |
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MohammadAG | I can't find an rpm archive, I need to make one | 00:35 |
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ali1234 | well, this is why i hate packaging | 00:36 |
ali1234 | it always ends up being much harder than actually writing the program in the first place | 00:36 |
* MohammadAG hates RPM | 00:36 | |
alterego | My build of meego-handset-video isn't outputting debug information -_- | 00:37 |
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* leinir finds it odd that people can find enough emotion to hate a collection of metadata combined with a data archive... | 00:39 | |
leinir | i dislike .deb, but hate? That's a bit of a strong term to use for that sort of thing :) | 00:39 |
alterego | They're all bloody annoying :) | 00:42 |
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arjan | MohammadAG: fwiw the meego kernel package is also just a quilt patch series | 00:44 |
MohammadAG | leinir, k, I dislike RPM ;) | 00:45 |
MohammadAG | arjan, are we looking at the same sources? | 00:45 |
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alterego | So, how do you make core apps output their qDebug() stuff? | 00:50 |
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alterego | Oh, you're kidding .. | 00:55 |
MohammadAG | compile with DEBUG=1? | 00:55 |
alterego | Tried that :P | 00:55 |
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lardman | alterego: try s/NO/ in these definitions: QT_NO_WARNING_OUTPUT QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT | 00:57 |
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lardman | defines even, too late | 00:58 |
alterego | ;) | 00:58 |
timeless_mbp | help | 00:58 |
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timeless_mbp | there was a meego meeting where hard fp was approved, right? | 00:58 |
alterego | Yes, | 00:59 |
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timeless_mbp | got a useful url? | 00:59 |
timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Toolchains/Meetings/Notes20101119 | 00:59 |
timeless_mbp | says "Status" | 00:59 |
timeless_mbp | which is useless :) | 00:59 |
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alterego | Heh | 01:00 |
alterego | Dunno, Stskeeps is the man that seems to do/know everything in regards to that :) | 01:00 |
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alterego | lardman: no joy | 01:03 |
lardman | alterego: hmm | 01:04 |
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lardman | QT_DEBUG ? | 01:04 |
alterego | Tried that too | 01:04 |
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lardman | I don't know then sorry | 01:05 |
timeless_mbp | http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-12-01-20.02.html is what i found | 01:07 |
alterego | Heh | 01:07 |
alterego | -output-level debug | 01:07 |
timeless_mbp | but the fact that there aren't good links for this does not make me happy | 01:07 |
alterego | Need to call your apps with that -_- | 01:07 |
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alterego | Probably because of MApplication and some other bullshit (aka magick). | 01:09 |
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alterego | Wow, this app looks really broken :D | 01:11 |
arjan | MohammadAG: if you're talking abuot the meego kernel yeah then very likely we're looking at the same stuff | 01:12 |
MohammadAG | arjan, so do I just apply all patches in kernel-n900.spec? | 01:13 |
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timeless_mbp | arjan: something needs to be done about the way these pages work | 01:20 |
timeless_mbp | it's way too hard for me to find content that i know exists | 01:20 |
timeless_mbp | it should be dead simple for me to be able to tell someone that meego 1.2 will use hard fp | 01:20 |
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timeless_mbp | (by telling, i mean browsing/searching to find the official page that talks about it and has an item linking to the decision) | 01:21 |
lardman | I'll agree there, also rather hard to find e.g. flashing instructions for the N900 or how to setup the image builder | 01:21 |
timeless_mbp | (and all work leading up to a decision should really link to the decision so that people who have old links can find it) | 01:21 |
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Termana | morning | 01:47 |
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CosmoHill | hey Termana | 02:04 |
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CosmoHill | cyas | 02:29 |
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MohammadAG | finally got the kernel compiled | 03:01 |
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Jay_BEE | hi. | 05:37 |
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beford | hello. | 06:19 |
beford | How can I hide the mouse cursor on MeeGo Handset? | 06:19 |
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Jay_BEE | my understanding is that it is only briefly displayed during startup | 06:23 |
beford | it seems to be always visible for me | 06:26 |
Jay_BEE | and this is running on a N900? | 06:27 |
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beford | nop, netbook/tablet | 06:37 |
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Jay_BEE | nice... google tells me there are some ways people generally do this in linux | 06:43 |
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Jay_BEE | beford: this may be related http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13548&highlight=mouse+cursor#post13548 | 06:54 |
beford | thanks let me see | 06:55 |
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JunJi | hello | 08:24 |
Bostik | morning | 08:24 |
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JunJi | I'm trying to compile the latest release src rpms as armv5 on my own OBS. It's working well with single rpms (w/o dependency). But not for the whole src rpms, 82 rpms are going to 'unresolvable', 2 for broken, 44 for excluded and it's repeating to start over again after 8 of succeeded rpms. Anybody has tried this work?? | 08:30 |
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Bostik | those which are unresolvable should display a "nothing provides FOO" message for each missing dependency; resolve those by adding the required packages to repo and you're set | 08:33 |
Stskeeps | JunJi: you're pretty much doing a bootstrap as we moved on to a new compiler, so starting over is OK | 08:35 |
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JunJi | hmm.. but when I type dmesg, it's saying that I had a few of segfault and the times are very similar to the points it restarted. | 08:38 |
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Stskeeps | got things set up properly, like vdso disabled etc? | 08:39 |
JunJi | Stskeeps: you mean that the starting over is generally happening to finish this work?? | 08:39 |
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Stskeeps | yes, it's normal | 08:39 |
dfhsd | . | 08:39 |
JunJi | aha.. | 08:39 |
Stskeeps | there's a build cycle at some base packages, we saw that when porting to hardfp | 08:39 |
dfhsd | I've got Androis but prefer Debian. | 08:40 |
JunJi | ok,, so it's building same things again and again when it needs | 08:40 |
dfhsd | Where's the howto for Dell Streak | 08:40 |
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JunJi | then, how many starting over does it need? do you remember?? | 08:41 |
Stskeeps | JunJi: basically it's triggering a rebuild if the package changed to those that depends on it | 08:41 |
JunJi | yes, that's right but I'm afraid that the rpm is 1138 and if that means it will restart 1138 times.. | 08:42 |
Stskeeps | JunJi: it'll take a bit, let it chew - a rebuild for armv5 isn't a fast process initially :) | 08:42 |
JunJi | right. very slow in my virtual box | 08:42 |
Stskeeps | it isn't very fast on real hardware either :) | 08:42 |
JunJi | so could I just ignore the segfault messages from the dmesg and have more patient until it gets done? | 08:43 |
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slonopotamus | *hint* ccache *hint* distcc/icecream | 08:43 |
Stskeeps | JunJi: pretty much - what kind of segfault messagesa re you getting? | 08:43 |
Bostik | qt for armv7 takes around 80h in single worker :) | 08:44 |
JunJi | readelf[xxxx] : segfault at llcf ip b76bbf09 sp bfffdlac error 4 in libc-2.11.90.so[b87xxx-xxx] | 08:44 |
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Bostik | (and something like 9h on mx51, iirc) | 08:44 |
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Stskeeps | JunJi: what kind of processor are your compiling on? | 08:45 |
JunJi | just an usual intel x86 process :) | 08:45 |
Stskeeps | SSSE3 or non-SSSE3? | 08:46 |
JunJi | SSSE3 | 08:46 |
JunJi | it's a kind of new | 08:46 |
Stskeeps | ok | 08:46 |
Stskeeps | brb breakfast | 08:47 |
dfhsd | How governments behave is controlled by the people. They're scared as shitless. As ever in histrory. The most powerfull are being killed. | 08:48 |
Stskeeps | dfhsd: please keep politics out of here, this is a work channel | 08:48 |
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JunJi | so while it's rebuilding rpms, the things in the 'unresolvable' or 'broken', 'excluded' are supposed to be corrected, is it right? because the source rpm from the meego mirrors shouldn't have any missing dependency problems. | 08:49 |
Stskeeps | it'll be corrected over time | 08:50 |
Stskeeps | broken is usually a problem though | 08:50 |
Stskeeps | excluded is OK | 08:50 |
JunJi | awesome thank you so much for your help always, Stskeeps. | 08:50 |
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Stskeeps | now i need some more coffee | 08:51 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:51 |
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dfhsd | AN AUSTRALIAN online electronics retailer has launched what he calls the business world's answer to WikiLeaks. | 09:05 |
dfhsd | The site, Tradeleaks.com, allows internet users to post documents and tip-offs about dodgy business practices anonymously. | 09:05 |
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pundiramit | How to go for a meego community OBS account? | 09:05 |
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JunJi | as far as I know we should talk to lbt, x-fade but I coudln't have a chance so far | 09:06 |
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JunJi | I talked about the obs in private level. (there are two meego obs I guess) :) | 09:07 |
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JunJi | As all we know, meego can be for phone, netbook, tv, vehicle.. etc, which area do you think MeeGo will be competitive? | 09:30 |
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jgrr | all of them! :) | 09:30 |
JunJi | sure I hope too :) but the most competitive? | 09:31 |
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JunJi | I'm only working for phones so wondering other areas | 09:32 |
Stskeeps | i think it's a pretty compelling phone platform too, or even tablet | 09:33 |
JunJi | I like the nScreen concept so really hope MeeGo to get the tv, vehicles first before google expands Android for them.. (or by other platform..) | 09:35 |
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Stskeeps | QML should make tv interfaces really easy to make at least | 09:36 |
JunJi | agree | 09:36 |
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Stskeeps | i've seem really shameful user interfaces on high end stb's | 09:36 |
JunJi | what's the stb? | 09:37 |
poutsi | I've yet to see a good ui on any set-top box | 09:37 |
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Stskeeps | set top boxes | 09:37 |
Stskeeps | or media centres, for that sake | 09:37 |
poutsi | I've been trying to be doubleplusgood so the wife would agree to me rolling my own once the current dvr dies | 09:38 |
JunJi | really true.. I used a number of set top boxes during many countries but all they were really confusing, slow | 09:39 |
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beford | does the Encript data option require the /home to be on a different partition? | 09:43 |
beford | (during the firstboot execution) | 09:43 |
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r2ev | fuck you bitches meego sucks big time | 10:48 |
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Stskeeps | r2ev: so what don't you like about it? | 10:49 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:49 |
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Stskeeps | r2ev: so what don't you like about it? | 10:50 |
r2ev | sorry for the previous update, it was a spam by one of my friends. | 10:50 |
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Stskeeps | riight | 10:50 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:50 |
r2ev | Stskeeps: :) | 10:51 |
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chris81 | Hello @all | 11:02 |
Stskeeps | hello | 11:02 |
Joppeffs | yo | 11:02 |
chris81 | I love Meego, except that my 3g modem does not work | 11:02 |
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chris81 | I notice that there is already an /dev/ttyACM0 device. So the meego kernel already finds my 3g modem. | 11:04 |
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chris81 | but connman/ofono does not recognice it | 11:04 |
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chris81 | May someone help me | 11:06 |
chris81 | I found /lib/udev/rules.d/97-ofono.rules | 11:06 |
chris81 | But I don"t know how to edit it correctly | 11:06 |
Stskeeps | chris81: trying your luck on forums might work | 11:06 |
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chris81 | http://ofono.org/community tells me to use #ofono or ofono@ofono.org | 11:07 |
chris81 | maybe I should use the meego forum | 11:08 |
Stskeeps | forum.meego.com possibly too | 11:08 |
Stskeeps | be sure to give enough info | 11:08 |
Sage | chris81: what 3g modem? | 11:08 |
chris81 | The Internal one of my netbook Samsung NC10 | 11:08 |
chris81 | lsusb tells me ID 04e8:6773 | 11:09 |
chris81 | 97-ofono.rules does not list it. | 11:10 |
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chris81 | Its manufactor is apparently Samsung itself | 11:11 |
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* Sage tries to find the ofono.rules file from ofono git | 11:11 | |
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chris81 | I already installed the latest release of ofono/connman | 11:12 |
chris81 | I doubt that in git there is an rulkes that fits but I"ll try it | 11:13 |
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Sage | ATTRS{idVendor}="04e8" ATTRS{idProduct}="6773" ENV{OFONO_DRIVER}="at" <- maybe this? | 11:13 |
Sage | adding that to the ofono.rules that is | 11:14 |
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chris81 | Wow | 11:14 |
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chris81 | I tried | 11:15 |
chris81 | I try it now | 11:15 |
rob_w_ | so whats the way to get any os runnig the gma500 sort of fine ??? | 11:15 |
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chris81 | Does I matter where I add the rule? | 11:16 |
Sage | I would add that to then end but I guess not. | 11:16 |
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chris81 | Because there are those labels und some sort of goto-commands | 11:16 |
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chris81 | I yesterday I tried editing the ofono.rules, but I didn"t knew the correct driver I used mbm or atgen | 11:19 |
Sage | well atgen or at or what ever it is is the generic one | 11:20 |
Sage | then there are some vendor specific drivers | 11:20 |
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Sage | on worst case the modem in your nc10 requires a new driver implementation :/ | 11:21 |
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chris81 | "at" seems wrong now the whole connman does not see any device | 11:22 |
chris81 | As far as I know nc10 modem speaks AT except for two commands or so | 11:23 |
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chris81 | do you know where I can get a list of all drivers names? | 11:31 |
Sage | AFAIK these are those, not sure about the exact names though: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=tree;f=drivers;h=f144f1256d8a082fb5d3474f2b6abe9e80c2db4f;hb=HEAD | 11:32 |
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RST38h | \ | 11:35 |
jonnor | chris81: you did reload the udev rules and replug the device after the change? | 11:38 |
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chris81 | I rebooted | 11:38 |
chris81 | I switch off and on | 11:39 |
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jonnor | ok | 11:40 |
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jonnor | I'd consider taking this to a ofono mailinglist then | 11:41 |
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lassemon | Can anyone tell me how to catch orientation change with Qt when you turn a MeeGo handset? | 12:04 |
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jln | vgrade: I see you have done work on getting Meego on GMA500, but the Wiki i found doesn't work after Meego droppede the EMGD drivers. | 12:42 |
jln | vgrade: Trying to boot any Meego kernel from my system just hangs Redboot straight away.. | 12:43 |
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jln | vgrade: Thought you might be able to help? | 12:45 |
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chris81 | Hello @all | 13:00 |
chris81 | I want to activate my modem with ofono | 13:01 |
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chris81 | I just managed to see my modem see listed by the ofono script list-modem but connman does not seem to find it | 13:02 |
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xMolatzen_dux | hi | 13:55 |
lcuk | hi xMolatzen_dux | 13:56 |
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bubble | anyone here? | 14:35 |
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Venemo | yeah | 14:36 |
Venemo | I'm here | 14:36 |
Myrtti | just about | 14:36 |
kyb3R | barely | 14:38 |
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gnugr | hi everyone, i've a mobile LGS290, can i install meego OS? | 15:01 |
lcuk | gnugr, flip it around | 15:03 |
lcuk | have you looked to see if its listed on the devices list? | 15:03 |
lcuk | have you any idea why it should work? heard rumours from others about it etc? | 15:03 |
gnugr | show me where | 15:03 |
lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 15:04 |
lcuk | firstly | 15:04 |
gnugr | okay m8 ty | 15:04 |
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tekojo | timeless_mbp: ping | 15:44 |
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timeless_mbp | pong | 15:44 |
* timeless_mbp grumbles | 15:44 | |
timeless_mbp | they banned me? | 15:44 |
leinir | "they"? | 15:45 |
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tekojo | timeless_mbp: looks like chanser is set up wrong there | 15:45 |
timeless_mbp | leinir: tekojo knows | 15:45 |
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leinir | right :) | 15:46 |
tekojo | anyway, to get mxr in you need to open a bug at http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=General%20Requests | 15:46 |
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tekojo | and describe the need | 15:46 |
X-Fade | more what you need exactly.. | 15:46 |
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X-Fade | Disk space, typical load are most interesting for planning. | 15:47 |
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trupheenix | hi | 15:51 |
trupheenix | prasanna left for the day? | 15:51 |
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Umeaboy | Hi! | 16:44 |
Umeaboy | I was thinking about installing Meego on my Kendo.........all I need is a USB-stick? | 16:44 |
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* lardman too | 16:59 | |
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simon34 | how to select data bearer as data call in symbian s60 v5 mobiles? eg nokia 5230 | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | not really a symbian kernel sorry :) | 17:02 |
simon34 | where is symbian karnel....plz help | 17:02 |
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Stskeeps | err.. symbian channel, i mean | 17:03 |
Stskeeps | i'd ask google, personally | 17:03 |
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alterego | Me too, dunno why you chose this channel simon34 | 17:06 |
RST38h | He may have been asking about symbian charnel though | 17:07 |
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alterego | There's a symbian channel?!?!? :D | 17:07 |
simon34 | others refereed me to come here | 17:07 |
v_zaitse1 | they were fooling with you | 17:08 |
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alterego | Maybe #qt-mobility ... | 17:08 |
sandst1 | simon34: try #symbian here or #symbian.dev at irc.efnet.net. | 17:08 |
sandst1 | here meaning freenode | 17:08 |
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sandst1 | simon34: but finding actual symbian devs in IRC might be bit of a needle-in-a-haystack process : D | 17:11 |
alterego | Yeah, | 17:12 |
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MohammadAG | isn't there #qt-symbian? | 17:18 |
MohammadAG | oh, symbian kernel | 17:19 |
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MohammadAG | I thought all sources are going down tomorrow | 17:19 |
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lcuk | groan | 18:16 |
lcuk | "I farted on a crowed lift today" | 18:17 |
lcuk | "it was wrong on so many levels." | 18:17 |
sp3000 | like spelling? | 18:17 |
lcuk | sp3000, shhh :P | 18:18 |
lcuk | crowded then :P | 18:18 |
lcuk | i blame my keyboard | 18:18 |
sp3000 | it's wrong on so many levels | 18:19 |
sp3000 | PC_FN_LEVEL2 included | 18:19 |
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CosmoHill | lcuk: did you hear the joke about rock climbing? | 18:22 |
lcuk | no CosmoHill? | 18:22 |
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lcuk | no wonder you PMed that CosmoHill | 18:23 |
CosmoHill | it was the same guy | 18:24 |
lcuk | the same guy as? | 18:24 |
CosmoHill | the one who told the joke about the lift | 18:24 |
CosmoHill | he did both those jokes on live at the appollo | 18:24 |
lcuk | :D | 18:24 |
* MohammadAG needs help with kernel sources | 18:24 | |
lcuk | ahhh CosmoHill I got a txt from eldest | 18:25 |
lcuk | MohammadAG, I think you might be able to find a guy who can help | 18:25 |
MohammadAG | I got the kernel to build, and it boots fine, but shouldn't the exact same patches produce the same kernel distributed? | 18:25 |
lcuk | I think hes called Linus or something :P | 18:25 |
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MohammadAG | lcuk, we had an argument over C and C++, apparently, he hates C++ | 18:25 |
lcuk | MohammadAG, if you have same source + same buildoptions + same toolchain, then yes | 18:26 |
sp3000 | what is he, a mozbot? | 18:26 |
MohammadAG | lcuk, another thing that puzzles me, why do the patches fail to apply against 2.6.35.3 when that's the kernel being distributed? | 18:26 |
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lcuk | MohammadAG, ok, firstly, is it operator error. | 18:27 |
lcuk | be specific and show which sources you are working from and where the binaries you are comparing against are | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | what are you breaking again? | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
ali1234 | probably wrong fuzz level | 18:28 |
ali1234 | you see, with RPMs, the patches do not have to cleanly apply to the source | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | and what source | 18:28 |
ali1234 | and each distro uses a different fuzz level to make things extra confusing | 18:29 |
ali1234 | so you wont actually see the fuzz level specified in the RPM | 18:29 |
MohammadAG | um, sure, patches are from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/blobs/master/kernel-n900.spec#line442 till the end of the N900 section | 18:29 |
ali1234 | you have to do research to find out what it is, and then manually specify it | 18:29 |
MohammadAG | kernel is a vanilla source from kernel.org | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: ah, give up on that git tree, i plan to have a bug filed to remove it | 18:29 |
lcuk | hm? | 18:29 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, well, that's not exactly stated there is it :P | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | no, but it should | 18:30 |
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MohammadAG | so where do I get the sources? | 18:30 |
Stskeeps | it's put there by a bot and the bot is broken | 18:30 |
MohammadAG | ali1234, I'm using quilt | 18:30 |
Stskeeps | you rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id the source rpm | 18:30 |
MohammadAG | err, what? | 18:30 |
MohammadAG | where's the .src.rpm then? | 18:30 |
Stskeeps | on the sources section of a given release? | 18:30 |
lcuk | but where is the tracking history kept if not in git? | 18:30 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, so.. it's not on git then... | 18:31 |
Stskeeps | lcuk: OBS and seen on meego-commits | 18:31 |
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ali1234 | quilt won't save you unless you use the exact correct RPM version on the exact operating system, because fuzz level lives in some arcane RPM config file (or possibly and environmental variable) | 18:31 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i think it's idiotic myself but so it goes.. | 18:31 |
lcuk | Stskeeps, so, git the application written by the kernel god himself to manage updates to his kernel is not actively tracking kernel developement over here on meego anymore? | 18:32 |
Stskeeps | lcuk: we're not doing kernel development, we're doing kernel packaging | 18:32 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:32 |
Stskeeps | kernel development should go in upstream | 18:32 |
MohammadAG | only package I see related to kernels is this http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/handset/repos/source/rar-kernel-headers-0.0.1-2.2.src.rpm | 18:33 |
ali1234 | or put another way, if you're porting the kernel to a new board, meego is not a good distro to test your work, because it's too complicated to package the kernel for it | 18:33 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: core/ | 18:34 |
lcuk | Stskeeps, so upstream == lkml? | 18:35 |
Stskeeps | linux tree | 18:35 |
MohammadAG | I suppose this is the one then? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/core/repos/source/kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | right | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | bug 11423 submitted | 18:36 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11423 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Git repository http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source is very often broken and shoul | 18:36 |
MohammadAG | so I wasted a week trying to get a kernel working and it's because it wasn't documented, nice | 18:36 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, can't you put a comment on the git source or something? | 18:37 |
lcuk | would it have worked if the bot had been pushing latest changes to core kernel back into gitorious? | 18:37 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: what do i look like, an admin? | 18:37 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:37 |
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lcuk | ie, simplest option to allow people to hack from gitorious if they feel most comfortable using git | 18:37 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no, the N900 adaptation ___________ <-- forgot the word | 18:38 |
Stskeeps | lcuk: except if you went to look at the source, what's stored there is the package itself, not the unfolded kernel. | 18:38 |
MohammadAG | distmaster? :P | 18:38 |
MohammadAG | what? *points at cloak* | 18:38 |
timeless_mbp | ali1234: ERR re fuzz level | 18:39 |
timeless_mbp | that totally sucks | 18:39 |
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timeless_mbp | ali1234: so um, how do i find the fuzz level? | 18:39 |
Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: rpmrc usually or macros | 18:39 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, funny thing is, arjan told me to use the git page :/ | 18:39 |
ali1234 | right | 18:39 |
ali1234 | if it was up to me i would enforce fuzz level = 0 everywhere | 18:39 |
MohammadAG | this is such a mess | 18:40 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: in what bizarre universe? | 18:40 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | Dec 16 00:44:45 <arjan>MohammadAG: fwiw the meego kernel package is also just a quilt patch series | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | Dec 16 00:45:57 <MohammadAG>arjan, are we looking at the same sources? | 18:40 |
MohammadAG | Dec 16 01:12:33 <arjan>MohammadAG: if you're talking abuot the meego kernel yeah then very likely we're looking at the same stuff | 18:40 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i think he meant the source package, not that place :) | 18:40 |
* MohammadAG stabs a trout | 18:40 | |
ali1234 | yay packaging | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i got hit by this problem too, hence me filing this problem | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, is there any way to mount the .raw file? | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: kpartx | 18:41 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: the packaging isn't the problem, the problem is that some bot was sending broken patches to git :) | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | starts with k, kde? | 18:41 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, just like kill isn't a kde tool | 18:41 |
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ali1234 | Stskeeps: so fix the bot, don't force people to use the annoying srpm | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | or not | 18:41 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, thanks | 18:42 |
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ali1234 | MohammadAG: what are you actually trying to do with the source anyway? | 18:45 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, lol | 18:45 |
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Stskeeps | what? | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:46 |
timeless_mbp | Stskeeps / ali1234 : is there a certain package that is known to have the rpmrc/rpmmacros that i want? | 18:46 |
timeless_mbp | i | 18:46 |
timeless_mbp | .e. | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: rpm + meego-rpm-config usually | 18:46 |
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timeless_mbp | if i were to try to do this stuff properly, should i bootstrap by grabbing those packages first and grabbing bits from them? | 18:46 |
MohammadAG | ali1234, editing CMDLINE so I don't have to use flasher-3.5 each time is a start ;) | 18:46 |
Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: since i assume you're doing mxr, did you find a new hosting? | 18:46 |
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ali1234 | ah, ok | 18:47 |
timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i just filed a bug asking for OSU hosting | 18:47 |
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MohammadAG | booting maemo w/ 2.6.35 is dream | 18:47 |
timeless_mbp | we agreed a while ago in principal that i'd have it | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: oh man, you're in for a lot of hurt | 18:47 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:47 |
timeless_mbp | and it was confirmed @MeeGo Conf | 18:47 |
MohammadAG | oh and a proper recovery initrd, the current one lacks UBIFS and a keymap :P | 18:47 |
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timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: anyway you can read the bug to see my stats | 18:48 |
ali1234 | i don't get it, CMDLINE is not a problem, just use u-boot to override it? | 18:48 |
timeless_mbp | but basically the current mxr.meego.com host had a 100gb volume for mxr stuff | 18:48 |
timeless_mbp | and it had 727mb free before my latest attempt to build a new repo | 18:49 |
timeless_mbp | sadly the sources cost 12GB | 18:49 |
timeless_mbp | which means it didn't work :) | 18:49 |
lcuk | timeless_mbp, bug number for the mxr hosting? | 18:49 |
MohammadAG | Stskeeps, another question, how do I mount /dev/loop0 after using kpartx? :) | 18:50 |
MohammadAG | ali1234, what about UBIFS support in the vmlinuz image ;) | 18:50 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: you don't, look at /dev/mapper/loop* | 18:50 |
Stskeeps | kpartx -a is what i use | 18:50 |
timeless_mbp | lcuk: 11422 | 18:51 |
ali1234 | MohammadAG: yes, ok , that's a tougher problem. probably harder than just enabling the right module too | 18:52 |
MohammadAG | cool, ty | 18:52 |
lcuk | bug 11422 | 18:53 |
MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11422 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, allocate vm at OSU for mxr.meego.com | 18:53 |
MohammadAG | ali1234, actually, UBIFS is enabled, but as a module, I need it in the kernel image | 18:53 |
lcuk | timeless_mbp, fwiw, I just voted for it | 18:53 |
lcuk | others should too if they use mxr | 18:54 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, what exactly does rpm2cpio kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm | cpio -vid src/* do? | 20:09 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: converts rpm to cpio format and unpacks it? | 20:10 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, so where does it end up? I was expecting a directory in . | 20:10 |
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Stskeeps | i didn't tell you to use src/* | 20:11 |
Stskeeps | it'd end up in same dir, afaik | 20:11 |
MohammadAG | your command didn't work | 20:11 |
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MohammadAG | neither did mine | 20:11 |
MohammadAG | anyways, used file-roller | 20:11 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, do I need any patches other than the N900's? A readme would be appreciated tbh :/ | 20:21 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: if you can wait, we're transfering to an adaptation kernel which means upstream + only n900 patches | 20:22 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, yes, I read the meeting's logs, still, do I need anything other than the N900's kernel (like the Direct Backport patches)? | 20:23 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i can't say without having tried :) | 20:24 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, wait wait, so you're not the one who handles this stuff? | 20:25 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, we have a kernel maintainer | 20:26 |
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Stskeeps | for n900 | 20:26 |
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MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I see, but tbh, the sources seem to be the same, Applying patch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch | 20:29 |
MohammadAG | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED | 20:29 |
MohammadAG | Patch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) | 20:29 |
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Stskeeps | MohammadAG: ok, so walk me through what you're doing.. | 20:31 |
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MohammadAG | got the vanilla kernel 2.6.35.3 from kernel.org, unpacked it, got the source you pointed me at, applied all patches in the N900 section of the series file | 20:33 |
MohammadAG | with quilt, but it always fails at the modem patch | 20:33 |
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Stskeeps | did you remember to unpack the patch-*.bz2 file too? that always gets me | 20:33 |
Stskeeps | ah, .3.. | 20:34 |
MohammadAG | err? | 20:34 |
Stskeeps | nm | 20:34 |
Stskeeps | sorry, i'm a bit tired | 20:34 |
MohammadAG | thought so :) | 20:34 |
ali1234 | it's the fuzz level............. | 20:34 |
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MohammadAG | ali1234, what fuzz level? I'm not using RPM | 20:34 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: well, that's easy to easy, but at least at my last look, we had fuzz=0 | 20:35 |
ali1234 | it doesn't matter, fuzz level is a parameter of patch which is *set* by RPM | 20:35 |
Stskeeps | easy to say, i mean | 20:35 |
MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aQS21YeG I'm only applying the patches listed in the N900 section here | 20:36 |
ali1234 | at my last look, while attempting to build meego rpms, they all failed because the default level is 2, all other distros use 2, but meego uses 3 | 20:36 |
Stskeeps | ok, could you do a run with all patches instead? | 20:36 |
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ali1234 | wow that's a lot of patches | 20:37 |
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Stskeeps | backports mostly | 20:37 |
MohammadAG | should I comment out Aava's patches? | 20:37 |
Stskeeps | no, just make a run with the entire series | 20:37 |
MohammadAG | 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED | 20:38 |
MohammadAG | Patch linux-2.6.36-PM-Runtime-Lenient-generic-runtime-pm-callbacks.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) | 20:38 |
Stskeeps | how are you applying the patches? | 20:38 |
MohammadAG | quilt | 20:39 |
MohammadAG | so they're applied from top to bottom | 20:39 |
Stskeeps | exact line? | 20:39 |
MohammadAG | QUILT_PATCHES=patches quilt push -a -q | 20:39 |
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MohammadAG | patches/ is the directory | 20:39 |
Stskeeps | there's no patches/ in the srpm :P | 20:40 |
MohammadAG | I know, I symlinked it there | 20:40 |
MohammadAG | that doesn't matter anyways ;) | 20:40 |
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ali1234 | isn't there some kind of like, "prepare" command from rpm, that unpacks the source and applies all patches? | 20:41 |
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Stskeeps | -bp, yeah | 20:41 |
Bostik | it applies patches specified in the .spec | 20:42 |
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Bostik | technically nothing *prevents* you from running quilt magic after unpack in the setup stage (or just before configure) | 20:43 |
MohammadAG | and the patches specified in the .spec file are the same as the ones in series :) | 20:43 |
Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i gotta get away from the computer, but good luck with it - http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel also exists for n900 stuff | 20:43 |
MohammadAG | tbh, I don't care how the patches are applied, I just want the source meego uses right before a "make" is done | 20:44 |
Stskeeps | then do rpmbuild -bp | 20:44 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
MohammadAG | I don't have rpm :) | 20:44 |
Stskeeps | get it | 20:44 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
MohammadAG | I'm using scratchbox as a toolchain :P | 20:45 |
Bostik | ouch++ | 20:45 |
ali1234 | scratchbox?! | 20:45 |
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MohammadAG | indeed | 20:45 |
Stskeeps | ok, the moment you said that i can't help you anymore | 20:45 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:45 |
Bostik | good luck then | 20:46 |
ali1234 | why scratchbox? why not code sourcery cross compilers? | 20:46 |
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Bostik | sidestepping all the damage sbox impinges on its user is hideously tricky | 20:46 |
Meep | Hi, looking at the meego.com homepage, I can see lots of references to git repositories and SDKs. How do I go about build meego from scratch? Are the instructions hidden in the wiki or a git repository somewhere? | 20:46 |
ali1234 | Meep: the short answer is no, the long answer is noooooooooooo..... | 20:47 |
MohammadAG | is arm-2009q1 good enough? | 20:47 |
ali1234 | MohammadAG: i prefer the 2008Q1 or 2008Q3 | 20:47 |
MohammadAG | any reason for that? | 20:47 |
ali1234 | i had problems with newer toolchains, especially with uboot | 20:47 |
Meep | ali1234 Are there any instructions, or you do you just fumble around until you get something built? | 20:48 |
ali1234 | but with kernels too (but not meego kernel, but other kernels on arm...) | 20:48 |
Bostik | you're probably going to end up with badly broken binaries, whatever you do | 20:48 |
ali1234 | Meep: there are "instructions" for building meego from scratch, unfortunately none of them is fully complete | 20:48 |
Stskeeps | Meep: so, why would you want to build it from scratch? | 20:49 |
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Meep | Okay... Voyage of discovery kind of thing eh? | 20:49 |
ali1234 | Meep: someone asks this question every day, nobody seems to have figured out how to do it yet | 20:49 |
Bostik | some sbox toolchains manage to generate versioned symbols in libc/libstdc++ that are not present on device | 20:49 |
Bostik | still nurturing my wounds due to that | 20:50 |
ali1234 | Bostik: but we're compiling kernels and bootloaders... no worries about libraries... | 20:50 |
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user__ | hi | 20:50 |
Bostik | ah, the easy way out ;) | 20:50 |
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ali1234 | Meep: the partially complete answer is you have to set up an OBS server, then somehow import all the meego rpms and srpms into it, then set it off, and hopefully, by some kind of magic that few people understand, it will build meego from scratch for you | 20:51 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: i've done that with hardfp, i'll document it in the new year.. | 20:51 |
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Stskeeps | ie, a new arch port, too | 20:52 |
Meep | Okay. Continuum builds. Fair enough | 20:52 |
Meep | Is that how meego releases are made? | 20:52 |
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Stskeeps | pretty much - meego's a package based system, source packages turn into binary packages :) | 20:53 |
ali1234 | i'm not sure what "continuum build" means | 20:53 |
Meep | It means that each package is independent, and so a distribution is made an aggregation of an ongoing set of build of components that should work together. | 20:53 |
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Meep | A release is a collection of the packages at a particular point in time. | 20:54 |
ali1234 | yeah, sounds about right | 20:54 |
Stskeeps | well, i wouldn't say independent, as they might depend on eachother | 20:54 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:54 |
Stskeeps | but yeah | 20:54 |
Meep | But there is no such thing as "checkout the code"; "make the code"; "ship the code". | 20:54 |
Stskeeps | Meep: pretty much - you can check out individual packages and rebuild those and the ones that depend on it | 20:54 |
Meep | stskeeps; yes - at a package level. | 20:54 |
ali1234 | yeah, the main problem with "meego from scratch" is that tonnes of packages won't compile correctly unless you build them on meego | 20:54 |
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Meep | NP, it's been helpful. | 20:55 |
ali1234 | which isn't really "from scratch" - chicken and egg situation | 20:55 |
Stskeeps | ali1234: the trick is to start out with ~80 base packages | 20:55 |
Stskeeps | which are fairly friendly | 20:55 |
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Meep | Yup: 80 packages, some spices, a rare flower, an incantation in some ancient language :). | 20:56 |
ali1234 | right :) | 20:56 |
Bostik | sacrificing 12 nubile virgins works too | 20:56 |
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Meep | They are harder to find these days than the rare flower :0. | 20:56 |
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Venemo | hi guys | 21:16 |
* auke not around enough | 21:16 | |
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npm | shoulda used linux/meego :-) : http://failblog.org/2010/12/14/epic-fail-photos-atm-fail/ | 21:25 |
Venemo | npm: lol... :D | 21:26 |
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Stskeeps | hmm, did anyone look at where we're actually having next conference? damn close to sf bay bridge :) | 22:38 |
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Stskeeps | ok, and i'm showing as an european not being able to tell two bridges apart :) | 22:40 |
jln | npm: :D | 22:41 |
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jln | Stskeeps: Found the link for conference yesterday, but lost it again. Could you help me out? | 22:42 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 | 22:43 |
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jln | Stskeeps: Thanks | 22:43 |
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jln | Looks nice. Dublin was great too | 22:44 |
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latenite | Hi I am looking for smartphone hardware the meego can run on? All I know is the Nokia n500. I s there a list of more deices? thanks | 23:01 |
Myrtti | n500? | 23:01 |
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Myrtti | hurrrrrrr | 23:01 |
RST38h | Moo Myrtti | 23:01 |
Myrtti | moo RST38h | 23:01 |
RST38h | How is suffering tonight? | 23:02 |
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latenite | is that wroing. I ve seen the n500 but like to know if ther is more smartphones that work with meego | 23:02 |
Myrtti | I've never heard of such Nokia device | 23:03 |
timeless_mbp | latenite: did you mean the n900? | 23:03 |
latenite | Myrtti, http://www.areamobile.de/news/15793-meego-smartphone-nokia-zeigt-neues-handy-system-im-video | 23:03 |
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Myrtti | latenite: where in that is it called n500? | 23:04 |
latenite | Myrtti, you re right this video shows the n900. but my friend phone (he called it n500) | 23:05 |
Myrtti | the handset on the video is the aava protodevice | 23:05 |
Myrtti | as it says on the youtube description | 23:05 |
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Myrtti | your friend... right. | 23:05 |
Myrtti | rumours. | 23:05 |
latenite | oh well thats 2 pones. Are there any sonyerriccson or apple devices supported | 23:06 |
latenite | Myrtti, I did hold it in my hand yesterday...but did ot check if it was a n500 or n900. he might be mistaken | 23:06 |
latenite | he also said it does not use "meego" but some OS called "mogo" or "moogo"...have you ever heard of hat? os | 23:07 |
Myrtti | latenite: maemo? | 23:07 |
latenite | Myrtti, no "mOgo" mybe with doulbe oo | 23:08 |
Myrtti | right | 23:08 |
latenite | meego is totaly open source right? | 23:08 |
Myrtti | good night kids | 23:09 |
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latenite | night | 23:09 |
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lcuk | gnite Myrtti \o | 23:17 |
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lcuk | join #meego-bar | 23:19 |
lcuk | ahh well, it didn't exist it was worth a shot for an after work pint | 23:19 |
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kaushik | WARNING: Cannot find root file system! | 23:38 |
kaushik | -------------------------------------- | 23:38 |
kaushik | Create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence | 23:38 |
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kaushik | Any idea about this? | 23:38 |
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-gibson.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 23:49 | |
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