| abstract3d | but it seems that it can listen .xsession | 00:00 |
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| abstract3d | but it is not supported as file of Startx(1) | 00:00 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: you know, I was giong to do this as well. This sounds like a bad idea now :( | 00:01 |
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| abstract3d | i will try to find the solution to that one, if not i will make a post where i will say that there is that problem | 00:03 |
| abstract3d | maybe some1 else know the way to fix that | 00:03 |
| abstract3d | or any meego dev | 00:03 |
| auke | uxlaunch partially supports /etc/X11/xsession stuff, but that support will be removed in the future | 00:04 |
| abstract3d | how can we change the behaviour of startx? | 00:05 |
| abstract3d | god damn :$ | 00:05 |
| auke | startx is not supported | 00:05 |
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| abstract3d | hm | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | startx is supported | 00:06 |
| auke | no, it is not | 00:06 |
| auke | not in MeeGo | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | well | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | startx goes to failsafe mode always | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | and its loading twm | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | thats because | 00:06 |
| abstract3d | there is no option for uxlaunch | 00:06 |
| auke | the fact that startx is present, doesn't mean that it (1) works or (2) is supported | 00:07 |
| abstract3d | it's only checking for kde/gnome/xfce/moblin DE | 00:07 |
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| abstract3d | /etc/X11/xinit files shows that startx its not supported | 00:07 |
| auke | startx is not supported | 00:07 |
| abstract3d | ok well :$ | 00:07 |
| auke | the only thing supported is ... uxlaunch ... | 00:08 |
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| abstract3d | kk | 00:08 |
| abstract3d | so i am ready to make the blogpost -.- :P | 00:08 |
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| kaushik | Anyone using rpmbuild for building meego kernel? | 01:49 |
| kaushik | ~/rpmbuild/SPECS$ rpmbuild -ba /home/kaushik/rpmbuild/SPECS/kernel-mrst.spec | 01:49 |
| kaushik | error: Failed build dependencies: | 01:49 |
| kaushik | module-init-tools is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:49 |
| kaushik | bash >= 2.03 is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:49 |
| kaushik | sh-utils is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:49 |
| kaushik | findutils is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:49 |
| kaushik | make >= 3.78 is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:50 |
| kaushik | linux-firmware is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:50 |
| kaushik | elfutils-libelf-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:50 |
| kaushik | binutils-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:50 |
| kaushik | newt-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src | 01:50 |
| kaushik | This dependencies are not found. I tried installing using yum | 01:50 |
| auke | using a pastebot would be preferred to pasting a ton of lines.... | 01:50 |
| kaushik | but yum says | 01:50 |
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| kaushik | ok | 01:51 |
| auke | other than that, I have no idea... I let OBS do my package building for me usually :) | 01:52 |
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| kaushik | ok thanks | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | hey auke | 02:02 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: pastebin ftw | 02:03 |
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| kaushik | http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=AzMgfefK | 02:04 |
| auke | hehe | 02:06 |
| CosmoHill | hehe '); | 02:06 |
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| CosmoHill | why not just install the ...why is bash listed? | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | I think my bash.rpm lists bash as a dependancies | 02:07 |
| kaushik | i am trying to install them using yum but it says " Nothing to do" | 02:08 |
| CosmoHill | try | 02:08 |
| CosmoHill | rpm -q make | 02:08 |
| kaushik | package make is not installed | 02:09 |
| CosmoHill | what does "zypper install make" do? | 02:10 |
| kaushik | I dnt have zypper installed | 02:10 |
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| CosmoHill | you must do, zypper is the default package manager for meego | 02:11 |
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| kaushik | ok | 02:12 |
| kaushik | I m using ubuntu 10.04 ...what package i shud install | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | ooohh | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | in that case most dependancies will fail because they are not in the rpm database | 02:13 |
| kaushik | yeah | 02:14 |
| kaushik | what shud i do for that? | 02:15 |
| CosmoHill | I'd ignore them | 02:16 |
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| kaushik | ok | 02:23 |
| kaushik | then it won't build source code properly | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | i mean force rpm to build, ignoring the depentances | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | I'm assuming you have met the dependancies via apt-get | 02:24 |
| kaushik | how can i do that? | 02:24 |
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| kaushik | how can i force it to build w/o dependencies | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | --force ? | 02:25 |
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| msvb1 | —nodeps. | 02:28 |
| kaushik | --nodeps is the right onw | 02:28 |
| kaushik | one* | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | dman | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | damn* | 02:29 |
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| kaushik | thanks all ..its building | 02:33 |
| kaushik | :) | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | things always work better when you just ignore the problems :) | 02:33 |
| kaushik | ha ha | 02:34 |
| kaushik | thanks .. i must note down that | 02:34 |
| CosmoHill | "the car's on fire" "no it's not" *drives away with the car on fire* | 02:37 |
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| CosmoHill | bonne nuit | 02:55 |
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| kaushik | any one has any idea about this rpmbuild error? | 03:37 |
| kaushik | http://pastebin.com/dT3CziRV | 03:37 |
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| abstract3d | http://abstract3d.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/meego_1-1_netboook_vbox/ just a way to see meego UX (with meego 1.1 installed inside a VM) | 03:42 |
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| kaushik | what is Clutter and MX for meego application framework? | 04:05 |
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| abstract3d | wtf.. whats the alternative yumdownloader for meego 1.1 (zypper) ? | 04:06 |
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| Jay_BEE | hiyas | 05:35 |
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| cecho | does the meego sdk support fedora14? | 07:13 |
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| cecho | is there anyone could answer me? | 07:14 |
| mortenmj | give it time, dude. this is irc, not a phone call | 07:15 |
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| cecho | oh,im sorry | 07:17 |
| mortenmj | don't be. just wait | 07:17 |
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| Jay_BEE | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux <-- I see Fedora 12 and 13 listed here and the specific instructions for Fedora do not appear to be version specific | 07:20 |
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| cecho | thankyou Jay_bee | 07:23 |
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| Jay_BEE | no problem, good luck | 07:23 |
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| Jay_BEE | updating... | 07:50 |
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| Jay_BEE | hmm i don't see anything newer than what I already have | 07:51 |
| Jay_BEE | mt | 07:53 |
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| thp | DawnFoster: thanks for setting up the mailing list :) works fine from here | 09:20 |
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| dm8tbr | yaml? yet-another-mailing-list? | 09:22 |
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| shuduo | hi, in meego core repo, the package 'dhclient' missed, anyone know who i can ask? | 09:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/find?string=dhclient shows that there's a dhcp-4.0.1p1 in a repo | 09:36 |
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| shuduo | timeless_mbp could you pls point in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ ? | 09:38 |
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| shuduo | timeless_mbp recent 1123 and 1130 build dont have it but 1112 has it | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | shuduo: fwiw you meant 'missing' and it'd be nice if you had mentioned where it was before in your original query | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | %changelog | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | * Fri Jan 8 2010 Martin Xu <martin.xu@intel.com> - 4.0.1p1 | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | is the last spec entry i have | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd file a bug in bugs.meego.com | 09:40 |
| shuduo | timeless_mbp: 1112 build had it, you can refer to packages file of 1112 http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/builds/trunk/1.1.80.6.20101112.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/meego-handset-ia32-mtf-1.1.80.6.20101112.1.packages | 09:40 |
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| shuduo | timeless_mbp: i can find it from my local 1112 build rootfs | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6921 is assigned to martin.xu | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so i think he's the right assignee | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9724 | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | comment 3 is the answer | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | xzheng 2010-11-07 19:23:56 PST | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (In reply to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9724#c2) | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | > Jinyan, please help check whether this could be reproduced on IA. | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ConnMan obsoletes dhclient now. | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | so the right answer was "search bugs.meego.com for dhcp and read the list" | 09:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | 9724#c3 indicates dhclient got replaced by connman | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and martin has a more detailed explanation in a later comment | 09:43 |
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| ni1s | shuduo, iirc busybox dhcp client is used now | 09:44 |
| shuduo | timeless_mbp: thanks | 09:45 |
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| shuduo | nils: thanks, I will try busybox | 09:46 |
| * timeless_mbp clearly needs to run another meego index | 09:47 | |
| * timeless_mbp didn't realize things had moved that far :( | 09:47 | |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 09:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone talk to me about how these should relate: | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sections => ['core','handset','ivi','netbook','non-oss'], | 09:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | i.e. if you were going to look at a cross reference of meego, would you only want to see one of those at a time? | 09:51 |
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| hlzxy | anyone can tell me something about osc ,why I always timout to local obs | 09:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i need a way to run only x things at a time | 10:04 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| lbt | morning Jaffa | 11:11 |
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| Myrtti | moin | 11:34 |
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| dneary | Looking for the meego trademark registration, I also found that Meegos was registered by an Australian company 5 years ago | 11:43 |
| dneary | http://www.meegos.com/ | 11:44 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Well I can even register MeeGo today. | 11:44 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Sure you can. | 11:44 |
| dneary | In the Netherlands/Europe, you mean? Or in the US? | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | US even. | 11:45 |
| dneary | You just can't register is as a trademark for a software product | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | If you target a completely different field. | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Yeah. | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | But check the google timeline for Meego. | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | It used to be a lot more popular than now. | 11:45 |
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| rumohr | whatfor do i need MADDE in SDK? doesn't it do the same job like the Qt Creator? | 11:49 |
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| v_zaitsev | no, MADDE is the cross-compiling solution, Qt Creator is the IDE | 11:52 |
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| rumohr | so qt uses madde for compiling? | 11:55 |
| rumohr | or does qt have an own compiler? | 11:55 |
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| hhurtta | i think qt uses whatver compiler, but working outside gcc/g++ or visual studio may prove to be a bit awkward :) | 12:02 |
| hhurtta | qtcreator uses madde for cross compiling | 12:02 |
| rumohr | k. thx | 12:03 |
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| lcuk | sabotage, thank you. thats a really great writeup :) | 12:06 |
| lcuk | bug 10874 being verified today :) | 12:06 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, RESO FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 12:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a line of code that reads: | 12:17 |
| CosmoHill | kill(finalPID, SIGINT); // Kill them all, mwhahah | 12:17 |
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| slaine | sabotage, nice writeup, thanks | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: dpi? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | er | 12:34 |
| slaine | lcuk, congrats on getting the bug squashed ;) | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | writeup, slaine? | 12:34 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 12:34 |
| slaine | switching between Handset and Netbook on a netbook | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:35 |
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| pexi | any info when ovi maps api is going to be public? | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | yeah slaine, those instructions seem practical enought that anyone with an ideapad could find them useful. | 12:39 |
| slaine | nod | 12:40 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit why is it so hard to read a line | 12:47 |
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| lbt | <> | 12:48 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, just sound out the letters of the word you are upto | 12:48 |
| lcuk | :P | 12:49 |
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| CosmoHill | har har | 12:49 |
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| sumanth_ | Hi, is there any platform api available to generate vibration on MeeGo.com | 13:00 |
| lcuk | sumanth_, when you are on http://meego.com press and hold down F11 | 13:04 |
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| Saviq | rotfl | 13:05 |
| lcuk | but in general, at the lower levels its device specific but look at qt mobility feedback api | 13:06 |
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| sumanth_ | Qt Mobility has one as per the documentation but i couldn't find it in my SDK.. | 13:15 |
| lcuk | sumanth_, which version of mobility have you got | 13:16 |
| lcuk | and are you trying to get vibration out from within emulated sdk or real hardware? | 13:16 |
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| sumanth_ | <lcuk> i am trying it on the device itself. | 13:19 |
| lcuk | which device | 13:20 |
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| sumanth_ | lcuk am trying on N900 device | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/index.html#platform-compatibility | 13:26 |
| lcuk | the compatability chart does not list meego directly | 13:27 |
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| sumanth_ | lcuk: but i was able to find the .so's for QFeedback on the device, so is there any way i can install the package to my sdk | 13:30 |
| JaMa | Stskeeps: Hi, FYI I used sources from your u-boot.tar.gz and pushed those to gitorious repo http://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot with other u-boot n900 related sources I've found.. | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | sumanth_, its entirely feasible at this time that even with the .so the internal functions within may not be wired up | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | and I cannot actually recall whether there is any vibra feedback on meego on n900 right now | 13:32 |
| lcuk | (anyone else recall?) | 13:32 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I had some questions about getting meego on a slate, got a min? | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, how about you just ask :) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | or rather talk.try to solve yourself by explaining | 13:41 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: did try asking a few times yesterday. I've got the netbook image up and running, I just don't know what other stuff (for e.g. from the handset) would be needed/useful for slate operation (touchscreen is getting in sometime today or tomorrow it looks like). | 13:43 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, is your netbook stuff installed on a slate/ | 13:44 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I did find the wiki page on the onscreen keyboard, and the one that slaine just posted about switching between handset and netbook, wouldn't have nkown to ask about them cuz I didn't know they existed | 13:44 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: it's not a slate yet, taking advantage of htey keyboard while I can | 13:44 |
| lcuk | so is it a touchscreen device? | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | because I find one of the most important things about a UX is how touchy feely it is. :) | 13:45 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: true, as I said I'm trying to get some basics set up so that I can mess with it once I get the touchscreen in | 13:45 |
| magius_pendragon | just trying to figure out what I'm getting myself into lol | 13:46 |
| lcuk | well I am going to be looking at putting the handset ux ontop of the ideapad today, using the writeup sabotage so skillfully prepared | 13:46 |
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| vilvo | weekly qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in five minutes. welcome! | 13:55 |
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| slaine | lcuk, am doing a fresh install and trying that too | 14:53 |
| lcuk | slaine, :) nice, good luck | 14:53 |
| abstract3d | try what? | 14:53 |
| slaine | abstract3d: running the handset ux on a netbook install | 14:53 |
| lcuk | for lenovo ideapad owners: changing the UX from netbook to other alternatives http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 resulted in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 14:54 |
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| slaine | lcuk, applies to any netbook | 14:54 |
| abstract3d | ah ok.. i don't know how :$ i just made it to run @VirtualBox (meego netbook 1.1) | 14:54 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: you got it working? | 14:54 |
| slaine | obviously the ideapad has a touchscreen which is an added benefit | 14:54 |
| lcuk | of course slaine, but since we KNOW theres a whole bunch of people with ideapads specifically running that meego build | 14:54 |
| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: yes, but it has a "delay" | 14:54 |
| lcuk | it is a practical thing :) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | slaine, jeremiah_ is also reviewing it from IVI perspective :) | 14:55 |
| slaine | yeah, in theory should be able to run any ux on there | 14:55 |
| lcuk | yip | 14:56 |
| lcuk | I suppose I should get off my backside and grab my ideapad to try it | 14:56 |
| abstract3d | still i got some questions for some "keywords" but i will search for them later when i'll finish with h/w | 14:56 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: last time I was poking around in here, you said that some people were interested in LVM. Do you know who I can talk to to get working on that? | 14:56 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: what sort of delay? | 14:57 |
| abstract3d | well i am moving the cursor, but the virtual machine has a delay, its 1-2 sec slower than my cursor speed inside vm | 14:58 |
| magius_pendragon | wow that's a big delay | 14:59 |
| lcuk_idea | abstract3d, thats quite a bit of lag, i usually have less when using VNC across the world | 14:59 |
| abstract3d | i don't know how to do that working right | 14:59 |
| abstract3d | maybe it's gl support -.- | 14:59 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: could be that, but I would look at ram usage first | 14:59 |
| lcuk_idea | when I was using xephr x86 handset sdk there was no lag like that | 14:59 |
| lcuk_idea | what are you running, handset or netbook? | 14:59 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: could be thrashing | 15:00 |
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| abstract3d | lcuk_idea: netbook | 15:00 |
| lcuk_idea | what is the host system configuration (cpu chipset gfx card?) | 15:01 |
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| lcuk_idea | RST38h, you know about xchat on maemo more than most. are your patches generic to xchat/gtk or did they involve specific hildonisations? | 15:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I did not do any hildon-specific stuff | 15:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, yes, most of my stuff can either go upstream, or it is delimited with specific MAEMO-related #ifdefs | 15:04 |
| lcuk_idea | ok cool RST38h, so it should be possible to try the maemo build on meego? | 15:04 |
| abstract3d | c2d T9400 2.53 GHz, Nvidia 9600M, 4GB RAM. i tried also to give 2 CPU to VM and 2GB ram but nothing | 15:04 |
| RST38h | Depends on how much hildonization has been done BEFORE me | 15:04 |
| lcuk_idea | just thinking consistency of course there is a build available on the netbook (what I am typing in now) | 15:04 |
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| lcuk_idea | thx, we can certainly investigate it | 15:05 |
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| abstract3d | lcuk_idea:c2d T9400 2.53 GHz, Nvidia 9600M, 4GB RAM. i tried also to give 2 CPU to VM and 2GB ram but nothing | 15:05 |
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| lcuk_idea | abstract3d, i might be off base here, but thats not a supported graphics card. | 15:06 |
| abstract3d | i need intel GPU right? :$ | 15:06 |
| abstract3d | as i have read @forums etc | 15:06 |
| abstract3d | but why not make it work @virtualbox :/ this is not fair :$ | 15:06 |
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| lcuk_idea | well initially yes, but now with announced involvement from AMD the range of cards should also expand (I hope I am right that it should include ati stuff too???) | 15:07 |
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| lcuk_idea | abstract3d, best would be if you can actually try to diagnose the problem | 15:07 |
| abstract3d | well ati sucks generally @linux | 15:07 |
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| lcuk_idea | and if it is found to be a graphics specific problem see what can be done | 15:07 |
| abstract3d | ati-support is awfull and painfull for most of users to maintain their system with ATI GPUs | 15:08 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: what % of your free ram is hte 2G? I've had serious slowness when I had too little free ram after booting a vm | 15:08 |
| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: 50% but host OS during VM use only 600MB max | 15:08 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: wow, you have your host that lite? kudos | 15:09 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: how many cores does your cpu have? | 15:10 |
| abstract3d | its a Gentoo install with some kde metapackages | 15:10 |
| abstract3d | 2 cores (c2d T9400 setup) | 15:10 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: I use gentoo with gnome, but I'm currently running at 3.39 GB ram used | 15:10 |
| abstract3d | :o | 15:10 |
| magius_pendragon | of course most of that is chrome | 15:10 |
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| abstract3d | well i have arround 20 tabs in chrome right now, i have kmail (and whole kontact suite) and i am using 950MB of ram) with skype & choqok & kopete and some others services | 15:11 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: I have closer to 120 :p | 15:11 |
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| abstract3d | lol | 15:12 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: might just be 3d support, just trying to think of alternatives | 15:13 |
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| abstract3d | well before doing anything i have to learn what is xephyr etc. it would be awesome a reference with all those keywords explained :P | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | abstract3d, find out and add to http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary | 15:16 |
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| abstract3d | lcuk: aha.. :D | 15:17 |
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| abstract3d | well, i can create wiki page if i want right? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:17 |
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| abstract3d | nice :) | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and when you do if it requires glossarying, add brief description and link to it there also :) | 15:18 |
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| abstract3d | i will try to create a Meego 1.1 Netbook inside VBox wiki page later | 15:19 |
| lcuk | try searching first :) | 15:19 |
| lcuk | someone might be ahead of you | 15:19 |
| abstract3d | hm.. only for 1.0 i have found :$ | 15:19 |
| abstract3d | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.1_Netbook_VirtualBox | 15:20 |
| abstract3d | nothing there :) | 15:20 |
| v_zaitsev | now with the IdeaPad I find I don't want to mess around with Xephyrs, Intel graphics, virtualization features etc. I just compile on my Linux PC and run on the netbook that has MeeGo 1.1 in it | 15:21 |
| Fansy | anybody knows how to open terminal and chrom at the same time? in my meego netbook. | 15:22 |
| v_zaitsev | hnh, nothing special needed, just open the apps and use? :) | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | v_zaitsev, its much simpler isn't it :) | 15:24 |
| lcuk | but still required to use obs for sharing with others | 15:24 |
| v_zaitsev | yeah sometimes i feel people take the SDK requirements too literally, like, oh noes I don't have Intel graphics or VT virt, i am doomed | 15:25 |
| lcuk | well historically, they were | 15:25 |
| abstract3d | if someone want to use OBS must have opensuse ? (:$) | 15:26 |
| lcuk | unless they were code ninja that is | 15:26 |
| lcuk | abstract3d, no | 15:26 |
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| abstract3d | ah nice | 15:26 |
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| abstract3d | i want to build my perfect environment | 15:26 |
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| abstract3d | (joke) :P .. perfect for me.. i will give a try to fedora / opensuse / ubuntu inside vbox | 15:27 |
| lcuk | blue sky, cotton wool clouds, gentle breeze, lovely fresh sea air. sound of waves lapping on the shore | 15:27 |
| lcuk | my perfect environment. | 15:27 |
| abstract3d | yeah absolutely :P | 15:28 |
| abstract3d | i will give it a try also to build meego-sdk inside gentoo from git | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | abstract3d, as long as you don't ask me to hold your beer whilst you do it, then good luck! | 15:29 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: well I got partway there (using handset ui following directions), i get a mouse and background but nothing else :/ | 15:34 |
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| rumohr | where do i find information about the meego-app-lifecycle? (when will apps be fully closed, what happens, if they are in the backgroud, etc..) | 15:38 |
| abstract3d | rumohr: http://meego.com/developers/meego-application-development-cycle ? | 15:40 |
| rumohr | thx, but not the development cycle... | 15:40 |
| abstract3d | ah sorry :$ | 15:41 |
| rumohr | android apps, for example, are not closed, if you "close" them.. they are getting closed, when the phone needs more memory than there is free.. | 15:42 |
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| rumohr | otherwise they are only in the background | 15:42 |
| abstract3d | yeah | 15:42 |
| abstract3d | that is awesome | 15:42 |
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| abstract3d | that's why my friend wants to smack that phone :P | 15:42 |
| rumohr | :) | 15:43 |
| abstract3d | i think that, as at maemo, when you don't want an app u can just close it | 15:43 |
| abstract3d | android can't do that | 15:43 |
| abstract3d | also you can always kil proccess for every service running (another way to terminate applications) | 15:44 |
| abstract3d | i think that that's the way tha meego works also, but not sure. it would be better to have some more specific :D | 15:44 |
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| chr1s | damn ISP | 15:46 |
| lcuk | question: anyone know how I can allow my netbook lid to be closed but the device not to go to slee/disconnect network | 15:47 |
| lcuk | its a bit unruly having to keep the lid open all the time else drop off ssh | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | errr this is lenovo ideapad running netbook | 15:48 |
| abstract3d | well, when you close lid netbook doen't come in "sleep" mode? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | my other lenovo running ubuntu (this one) works well and just turns the screen off after I set the power options | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | abstract3d, i dont want it to | 15:49 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I've actually been wondering the same thing | 15:49 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: because once I finish this mod, I won't have a lid :p | 15:49 |
| abstract3d | lets try to find the config files etc inside meego :D | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, thats easy enough | 15:50 |
| lcuk | abstract3d, :) if you are more confortable digging, then please do | 15:50 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: howso? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, with lid flipped into slate mode its ok because it just blanks as expected | 15:50 |
| lcuk | but i am used to just opening the lid of normal laptop and carrying on working (without ever disconnecting from network) | 15:51 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I think you misunderstand me; I'm throwing out the chasis and putting the hardware into a slate. | 15:51 |
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| abstract3d | lcuk: i suppose that /proc/acpi/sleep is the file that "does" that job | 15:51 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, the ideapad is a slate :) | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | it just has a keyboard in the middle of it :D | 15:52 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I thought it was convertable | 15:52 |
| lcuk | tomato, tomato. once you flip the lid is there any difference? | 15:52 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: to be more specific, I was trying to figure out how to alter behavior of the xevents (i thought gnome used to have settings for them, but apparently meego has gotten rid of some of the settings I'm used to :p) | 15:52 |
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| abstract3d | well, lcuk http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disable-suspend-when-i-close-the-laptop-lid-718591/ | 15:53 |
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| abstract3d | meego is a linux so the same would be there | 15:53 |
| abstract3d | except if its there any other power managment by MeeGo UX | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | ok so now completely off the network | 15:56 |
| lcuk | which doesnt help much with walking round the house! | 15:56 |
| lcuk | abstract3d, will look/try/talk about it more, thanks for tip | 15:57 |
| abstract3d | luist: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=358 | 15:57 |
| abstract3d | lcuk: * | 15:57 |
| rumohr | where do i find information about the meego-app-lifecycle? (when will apps be fully closed, what happens, if they are in the backgroud, etc..) lcuk, do you perhabs know about it? | 15:57 |
| lcuk | rumohr, on which ux? | 15:58 |
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| rumohr | handset | 15:58 |
| lcuk | afaik applications have normal linux lifecycle | 15:58 |
| lcuk | just regular apps? | 15:58 |
| rumohr | are there differences between handset and netbook? | 15:58 |
| rumohr | ah | 15:58 |
| rumohr | okay | 15:58 |
| rumohr | thought so, but couldn't find anything | 15:58 |
| abstract3d | rumohr: no they are all linux :) | 15:59 |
| abstract3d | plain linux | 15:59 |
| rumohr | do you know wich taskmanager is used in meego? | 15:59 |
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| abstract3d | rumohr: you can allways zypper install htop | 15:59 |
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| rumohr | yes, regular apps. not services | 15:59 |
| abstract3d | every service has a pid | 15:59 |
| rumohr | ok | 15:59 |
| abstract3d | u can kill every pid you want | 15:59 |
| lcuk | lid open | 16:00 |
| abstract3d | rumohr: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/show-all-running-processes-in-linux/ | 16:00 |
| rumohr | yes i know how. thx. | 16:01 |
| lcuk | abstract3d, thanks for link | 16:01 |
| abstract3d | lcuk: nope :) | 16:01 |
| abstract3d | it works? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | i just opened my lid | 16:02 |
| lcuk | .. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | still waiting for it to come back to life | 16:02 |
| lcuk | if maemo on n900 was like this we wouldnt get anything done | 16:02 |
| abstract3d | :$ | 16:02 |
| lcuk | ahh password | 16:02 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: i have to hit a key or somethign to get it to come back | 16:02 |
| magius_pendragon | and then passwd | 16:02 |
| lcuk | it comes back on its own but takes time | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | people thought it kept crashing, it just takes far too long | 16:03 |
| lcuk | 4 minutes from lid open to network back, eep | 16:03 |
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| abstract3d | wow | 16:05 |
| abstract3d | thats lot of time :$ | 16:05 |
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| lcuk | hehe "I have done the same thing, It should be like a refrigerator, the light goes out when you close the door, but the cool music keeps a happening" http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=9799&postcount=21 | 16:08 |
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| lbt | ok | 16:25 |
| lbt | EWRONGWINDOW | 16:25 |
| rumohr | ^ | 16:27 |
| rumohr | ^^ | 16:27 |
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| bobdole369 | Has anyone gotten MeeGo to boot in a Virtualbox? | 16:45 |
| Appiah | yupp | 16:45 |
| Appiah | I did long ago... | 16:45 |
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| Appiah | (meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img) bobdole369 | 16:46 |
| bobdole369 | There we go - google is my friend. | 16:47 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox#Installing_VirtualBox_guest_additions_for_OpenGL_acceleration | 16:47 |
| Appiah | but there i's 1.1 now so... | 16:47 |
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| bobdole369 | Needed "Linux/Fedora" and "Enable PAE" - now booted into (installtion). A couple errors went by (AGP), but otherwise now graphical and looks to want to install. | 16:49 |
| bobdole369 | Tnx | 16:49 |
| odin_ | berndhs, are you Mr Stramm ? and did meet you first on Sunday afternoon at the SDK talk ? | 16:49 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: do you happen to know what's the state of cpufreq on meego netbook? | 16:56 |
| magius_pendragon | or anyone really | 16:56 |
| odin_ | cat /proc/acpi/cpu*/*/something ? | 16:57 |
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| odin_ | or you mean power management control, as in a UI application to enforce user settings ? | 16:57 |
| magius_pendragon | odin_: well both really, wanted to look into different governers etc., and if there's a UI app for it, awesome if not I was thinking about writing one | 16:58 |
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| odin_ | try and bolt it into the existing settings framework (think it's python), I noted there was nothing for PM on lenevo | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | anaZ: ping? Any ETA on opening the Core OBS api? | 17:00 |
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| magius_pendragon | odin_: yeah I don't knwo that the kernel mod is enabled | 17:01 |
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| odin_ | not sure either, sorry.... /sbin/lsmod and dmesg | less ? | 17:01 |
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| odin_ | find the user-space tooling for desktop install/compile and try it | 17:02 |
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| magius_pendragon | odin_: what do you mean, user-space tooling? | 17:03 |
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| odin_ | well I presume some desktop versions of Linux has UI/cmdline-tooling for supporting it, even if its some GNOME/KDE control panel item/setting | 17:04 |
| magius_pendragon | oh yes | 17:04 |
| sturvey | Hi all. For Qt on MeeGo. What's the qmake (i.e. .pro file) identifier for meego? Like it's win32 for Windows and maemo5 for, well, maemo5. | 17:04 |
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| odin_ | then follow it back towards kernel, see what works/breaks and all the good bits you can pickup to include in a MeeGo control panel item | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, on the ideapad it settles at 1000mhz but switches up to 1333 and 1666 as required, so assume based on other systems its in OnDemand type state | 17:06 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: I can't remmeber how to monitor that | 17:06 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: but that sounds like ondemand | 17:07 |
| odin_ | cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/*/* | 17:07 |
| odin_ | not sure if any kernel event system can notify an application on state changes, to save on polling (and idle battery life) | 17:08 |
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| abstract3d | programming for MeeGo Handsets, i will have to go with Nokia QT DSK? | 17:08 |
| magius_pendragon | odin_: pm is disabled, it seems | 17:08 |
| abstract3d | or just QT SDK? | 17:08 |
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| magius_pendragon | lcuk: is the ideapad on a atom? | 17:08 |
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| jonnor | abstract3d: you can program for Meego with the Qt SDK | 17:09 |
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| abstract3d | jonnor: i have a n900. with QT SDK i will be ok? or QT Nokia SDK would be better? | 17:11 |
| lcuk | magius_pendragon, everything we work with is based on atoms | 17:11 |
| lcuk | but yes, the ideapad is afaik a dualcore atom? | 17:11 |
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| slaine | lcuk, Not quiet | 17:11 |
| lcuk | 1.5 core? | 17:11 |
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| slaine | it's a single core with HT | 17:12 |
| lcuk | 1.3141592654 cores then! | 17:12 |
| lcuk | thats reasonable enough | 17:12 |
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| slaine | The Atom D4xx are single core Hyper Threaded | 17:12 |
| slaine | D5xx are dual core Hyper Threaded (i.e. /proc/cpuinfo lists 4 cpu's) | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | that explains why it shows 2 cpus | 17:13 |
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| sturvey | Hi all. For Qt on MeeGo. What's the qmake (i.e. .pro file) identifier for meego? Like it's win32 for Windows and maemo5 for, well, maemo5. | 17:13 |
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| odin_ | 2 cpus, 2 HT cores each = 4 entries in /proc/cpuinfo | 17:15 |
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| jonnor | abstract3d: the Nokia SDK will allow you to deploy directly for Maemo and Symbian | 17:16 |
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| jonnor | (to their appstores) | 17:17 |
| magius_pendragon | lcuk: just was asking cuz I show power management as disabled, and this is an atom | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | magius_pendragon, hrm | 17:18 |
| lcuk | the ideapad seems to have it at least, I know the n900 has shockingly poor PM handling at the moment | 17:18 |
| lcuk | to the extent I was asked yesterday how hot was too hot | 17:19 |
| slaine | what do you mean power management is disabled ? | 17:19 |
| lcuk | bug 7790 | 17:19 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 17:19 |
| slaine | I meant magius_pendragon | 17:19 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU*/* says power management: no | 17:20 |
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| v_zaitsev | my n900 is good with the power and doesn't get hot, unless i am running some app that makes it so. for example, mbarcode is something horrible | 17:21 |
| v_zaitsev | because it leaves the camera pipeline AND the "flash" on even when the device goes to powersave | 17:22 |
| Muncuie | kontol | 17:22 |
| lcuk | v_zaitsev, you are in #meego | 17:23 |
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| odin_ | v_zaitsev, did you turn down the WLAN power output ? I found that (anecdotally) doubled my battery life | 17:23 |
| slaine | I must confess, I haven't played with my ideaPad much since meegoconf | 17:24 |
| lcuk_idea | slaine, why do you think I am trying to get the multiux stuff working :) let people play in bite sized chunks and configure it as they want and hopefully let them see the bits of meego that interests them | 17:24 |
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| slaine | lcuk_idea: Yeah, but, I mentioned my lack of playing because I have a confession to make | 17:25 |
| slaine | I appear to be one of the lucky few that got one with an Atheros wifi card | 17:25 |
| lcuk | not the only one :) | 17:25 |
| slaine | indeed | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i went and also picked up a usb stick too | 17:26 |
| slaine | I'm so used to the process of building the broadcom rpm that I just did it, installed it and got on with it | 17:26 |
| lcuk | i asked and was able to take one only with OSS on it | 17:26 |
| lcuk | i think the same image is available for download somewhere (discussed before) | 17:26 |
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| dneary | I haven't got mine yet - anyone know when the ones shipped after the conference are expected to go out, and who to ask about them? | 17:32 |
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| slaine | dneary: I would have thought you'd have gotten it by now | 17:33 |
| dneary | nope | 17:33 |
| slaine | Give dawn a shout, she should know | 17:33 |
| * dneary gives DawnFoster a shout | 17:34 | |
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| sivang | anybody ca share his opinion what to favor? Q8300 or Core i5 (- intel cpus) for a desktop station that will support proper virtualizationfor meego flavors development? (e.g. running a couple arm VMs in parallel) | 17:34 |
| sivang | slaine: same here, still uneasy to get used to netbook UX | 17:35 |
| sivang | But I'm gradually integrating myself to the experience. | 17:35 |
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| lolloo | they are all same diffrent names. | 17:36 |
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| sivang | I would like to be able to run a couple of QEMUs including the x86 one | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Core i5 | 17:36 |
| sivang | so to be able to have several arm meego images and x86 running | 17:36 |
| DawnFoster | hey dneary - I missed the question :) | 17:37 |
| sivang | RST38h: that's the quad core counterpart for Q8300? | 17:37 |
| DawnFoster | (waiting for my morning tea to finish brewing) | 17:37 |
| sivang | RST38h: my retailer suggested i3 at first, a difference of 120$ , is i5 worth it? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Yes, and I just got an i7 | 17:38 |
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| jonnor | sivang: make sure it has VT-X support | 17:38 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, slaine suggested I should give you a shout, so I did | 17:38 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: ah, the Lenovos shipped after the conference should get to people before the end of Dec | 17:38 |
| sivang | RST38h: so i3 is significantly weaker than i5? | 17:39 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, He thinks you might know who the best person to talk to about after-conference netbook delivery would be | 17:39 |
| DawnFoster | with the US holiday and having to manually ship them, it's taking some time to get them out to people | 17:39 |
| sivang | jonnor: right, not too easy to find out from the site, but it seems that this CPU line all supports VT-x | 17:39 |
| javispedro | sivang: i3 doesn't have vt-d | 17:39 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I haven't heard anything at all since the conference - so wondering if I (a) missed something, or (b) just need to be patient | 17:39 |
| jonnor | vt-d != vt-x | 17:39 |
| sivang | hmm, what's vt-d? | 17:39 |
| dneary | Either is fine | 17:39 |
| javispedro | vt-d is the iommu stuff. currently not very useful though. | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, is there by chance a copy of the letter that will be sent out with the parcels lying around anywhere? | 17:40 |
| lcuk | (the one saying its a gift) | 17:40 |
| DawnFoster | dneary: patient :) ping me again, if you don't get it by the end of December | 17:40 |
| javispedro | sivang: someday using vt-d you might be able to give an entire video card to a VM (in fact someone did this already) | 17:40 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: not sure, I wasn't really involved in the giveaway, but you can ping Amy if you need another copy | 17:41 |
| abstract3d | well i want some1 who can emulate an entire video card :P | 17:41 |
| javispedro | not on a clarkdale though, so I wonder if the vt-d implementation is complete enough... :P | 17:41 |
| sivang | javispedro: so vt-x lacks the iommu and just provides abstraction for the cycles? | 17:41 |
| odin_ | what/why is VT-X requirement for MeeGo again ? some security requirement in the future, like 4 ring model ? | 17:41 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, OK. No worries | 17:41 |
| javispedro | odin_: I think it's a requeriment for the SDK/emu/etc | 17:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good afternoon guys | 17:42 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, I don't need a copy for that specifically but I recall it being sat on the front of the desk and forgot to take a photo, the general purpose will be useful also when the device program takes off | 17:42 |
| odin_ | ok understand SDK/Qemu, that makes sense | 17:42 |
| jonnor | odin_: VT-X allows hardware accelerated virtualization | 17:42 |
| slaine | and good VM performance in general, which was part of sivang's question | 17:42 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: ah, good point | 17:42 |
| sivang | javispedro: err, abstraction for CPU :) | 17:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, what device program? | 17:43 |
| odin_ | not needed for MeeGo handset/netbook/ivi implementations (like SSSE3 is) this was angle | 17:43 |
| javispedro | sivang: yep :) | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | Venemo_N900, mailing list, hold on | 17:43 |
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| slaine | Venemo_N900: see the meego community mailing list for background | 17:44 |
| sivang | javispedro: okay, so i5 it is, it also has more cores right? e.g. i5 is quad core while i3 is dual? | 17:44 |
| javispedro | there's a i5 quad core but that one doesn't have vt-d either (being older). the rest of i5 are smt dualcores | 17:44 |
| javispedro | err | 17:44 |
| lcuk | [MeeGo-community] Nudging the Community Device Program http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002709.html | 17:44 |
| javispedro | s/smt/hyperthreading(tm) | 17:44 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, ^ | 17:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | interesting | 17:45 |
| lolloo | guys are other release of MeeGo on N900 wokr wiht U-boot? or is it just version 1.1? | 17:46 |
| lolloo | work with * | 17:47 |
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| qgil | Sorry for my chipset ignorance, but what is this Renesas AP4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xuNOweDXh3Q | 17:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 17:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: and what device is this about? | 17:49 |
| qgil | I mean, I have found http://www.renesas.com/prod/assp/mobile/ap4.html but is this a "Renesas chipset" or TI or...= | 17:50 |
| qgil | ? | 17:50 |
| sivang | javispedro: so the i5 I'm likely to get has 2 cores, each having 2 ht channels? | 17:50 |
| qgil | I guess this Renesas video is food for http://wiki.meego.com/ARM ? | 17:51 |
| sivang | javispedro: which is the same for i3, come to think of what my retailer said | 17:51 |
| javispedro | sivang: i3 hasn't HT afaik | 17:51 |
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| javispedro | sivang: not sure either, last time I looked at it the 5xx series was recently introduced | 17:51 |
| lolloo | so ugly | 17:52 |
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| sivang | javispedro, jonnor : how can I make sure it has VT-x/d , the system will not be constructed until I give an advance | 17:52 |
| jonnor | sivang: check intel.com | 17:52 |
| javispedro | sivang: ark.intel.com | 17:52 |
| jonnor | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/index.htm -> type -> specifications | 17:53 |
| jonnor | qgil: a chip from Reneas, yes | 17:53 |
| lolloo | guys are other release of MeeGo on N900 work with U-boot? or is it just version 1.1? | 17:53 |
| sivang | jonnor, javispedro : thanks | 17:54 |
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| jonnor | qgil: looks very similar to the OMAP3 used in the N900, but additionaly has a SH based DSP | 17:54 |
| qgil | jonnor thanks, I'll list it to the ARM page. Now I'm learning about this Freescale i.mx51 running MeeGo too http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=osDlTdl5lAk | 17:54 |
| bobdole369 | SO my virtualbox install appeared to work, it rebooted I set usernames and pwds/timezones, go back to a blank screen. | 17:55 |
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| jonnor | qgil: sorry, I meant "instead" and not "additionally" | 17:56 |
| bobdole369 | Now booting I get a blue screen for eternity. | 17:56 |
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| sivang | RST38h: do I want 4 cores then 2 cores? :) | 18:03 |
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| sivang | the 2cores options has intel integrated graphics HD, just a bit cheaper and runs at 3.x Ghz | 18:04 |
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| javispedro | that is for you to decide, do you want single thread performance or more cores? ;) | 18:04 |
| sivang | javispedro: a balance, I can settle with just running 2 VMs but I need good single thread performance when other less important threads are running, e.g. CUbase | 18:05 |
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| sivang | javispedro: how much is the difference felt between 2/4 cores? | 18:05 |
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| sivang | javispedro: so there's the stream record thread, IO must be fast, and lots of small threads in the background. | 18:06 |
| sivang | or, with less prio | 18:06 |
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| javispedro | don't ask me, I upgraded from one of the first athlons ;) (the different in performance between the athlon and any core i[357] is so large that makes all i5 similar) | 18:07 |
| qgil | jonnor: thanks! http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=ARM&diff=23404&oldid=22576 | 18:07 |
| qgil | that ARM page needs some organization & love (as I say every time I update it) | 18:08 |
| lcuk | hey qgil \o | 18:09 |
| qgil | hi lcuk | 18:10 |
| kyb3R | qgil: emailed you and others a suggestion for the naming issue. Hopefully you could check it before tomorrow | 18:10 |
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| sivang | so my hunch is I won't really be using a 4 cores machines, I'll go with the 2 cores but with i5 to have vt-d and vt-x | 18:10 |
| qgil | kyb3R: will check, thanks | 18:10 |
| sivang | e.g., using all of its 4 cores | 18:10 |
| kyb3R | qgil: thanks | 18:11 |
| lcuk | qgil, theres a nice writeup being made about running multiple UXes on the nice ideapads | 18:11 |
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| * X-Fade wonders why his ideapad thinks it is Tuesday 30 December 2037 | 18:11 | |
| lcuk | bug 10874 resulted in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 18:11 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, RESO FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 18:11 |
| javispedro | lcuk: nice!! | 18:11 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: do you think you can boot both uxs at the same time, as different users and different xorg sessions? | 18:11 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, hope your employer agrees and backdates pay! | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: hehe, I doubt that :) | 18:12 |
| javispedro | hm | 18:12 |
| lcuk | javispedro, IDK, you are technical wizard, do YOU think its possible? | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | But I do wonder why the clock is that far off. | 18:12 |
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| sivang | lcuk: oh nice, for me using the handset ux on it would make much more sense. | 18:13 |
| * sivang bookmarks | 18:13 | |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 18:13 |
| javispedro | lcuk: seems hard (though for a moment it was a different method ;) ) | 18:13 |
| lcuk | sivang, it also offers opportunity to switch and do IVI and other variants too | 18:13 |
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| sivang | lcuk: very nice, essentially just by running the window manager / compositor of choice? | 18:13 |
| sivang | lcuk: per, UX that is | 18:14 |
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| * sivang thinks of easier testing of IVI UX when one does not need to verify arm kernel, for instance | 18:14 | |
| lcuk | sivang, well the UXes sit ontop of meego core, so .. | 18:14 |
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| sivang | lcuk: right, so once you have both runtimes (gtk/qt) you can have as many of them you like I guess | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | within reason | 18:17 |
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| sivang | javispedro: mutiple Xorgs could be run on different screen addresses and each having its own session,no ? | 18:17 |
| javispedro | sivang: yep | 18:17 |
| lcuk | lardman_, \o | 18:17 |
| sivang | javispedro: and that was possible since, ever no? | 18:18 |
| javispedro | sivang: the idea comes from running both and seamlessly switching when you flip the cover | 18:18 |
| sivang | ah | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | enter tablet mode -> show the handset ux | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | enter netbook mode -> show the netbook ux | 18:18 |
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| sivang | I don't mind switching by hand | 18:18 |
| lcuk | javispedro, problems with running apps | 18:18 |
| javispedro | yeah, they won't move | 18:18 |
| javispedro | but maybe that's a benefit | 18:18 |
| lcuk | its not the specific insta-switch that i am considering this for (tho nice if its possible) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | its just being able to use the ideapad for specific testing | 18:19 |
| sivang | what involves an insta-switch? how hard? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | without having to completely reformat | 18:19 |
| javispedro | there was this htc x9000 that had an x86 and arm, and a button switched between winxp and winmo | 18:19 |
| sivang | maybe we can hook the power button quick double click | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, people would expect the app they are using to continue running on the other UX in that sort of case | 18:20 |
| sivang | I had a dream that night that my ideapad started to act like an N900 :) | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | sivang, mine does | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | apart from 4minutes from opening keyboard to being able to type | 18:20 |
| sivang | lcuk: so follow that wiki page and mine will as well? | 18:20 |
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| sivang | lcuk: why so long? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | netbook power mumbu jumbo | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | sivang, those instructions are still being reviewed | 18:21 |
| lcuk | and not sure of how well handset will be happy on it | 18:21 |
| sivang | lcuk: you're using it no? | 18:21 |
| lcuk | its just backing stuff up | 18:22 |
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| fiferboy | We need a way for the handset ux to realize what resolution is running | 18:36 |
| fiferboy | Without -target slate | 18:36 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, hrm? | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | Running handset UX on the IdeaPad uses ~3/4 of the screen (for me) | 18:37 |
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| andre__ | so how can I get my blog entries to be listed at http://meego.com/community/blogs ? There is no "how to" link on that page. | 18:37 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, are you just hacking alone to put this on or have you been following the changing_desktops wiki? | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | The wiki page instructions | 18:38 |
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| fiferboy | I read somewhere about a config file that allows you to specify slate as the default resolution, but I never found that config file on my install | 18:38 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, cool beans, and they were easy to follow for you (apart from this) | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | /etc/meegotouch/ something | 18:39 |
| lcuk | perhaps a bug would be useful to be reported | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yup, not a problem at all | 18:39 |
| lcuk | great news :) | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, easy to follow and do what I expect | 18:39 |
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| mattymo | anyone ever get meego installed on a fedora 14 system? | 18:39 |
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| fiferboy | /etc/meegotouch/devices.conf | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | From http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2116&highlight=handset | 18:40 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, would you add a note verifying the bug http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 | 18:43 |
| lcuk | :) | 18:43 |
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| fiferboy | Done | 18:45 |
| lcuk | \o ta muchly | 18:46 |
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| lcuk | well, thats helpful | 18:47 |
| lcuk | i hope the copy was finished | 18:47 |
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| bobdole369 | bah no luck with 1.1 netbook and the virtualbox. | 18:58 |
| dm8tbr | I also have yet to find a more straight forward way to make it work in vbox | 18:58 |
| dm8tbr | I made some qemu netbook-ux image work reasonably quick but it lacked apps | 18:59 |
| bobdole369 | thats a way to go mayhaps | 18:59 |
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| lardman | hi lcuk, slightly belatedly | 19:00 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Fixed the problem :) | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, awesome! is it something needed on that page do you think or perhaps on a "getting handset working nicely" sub page? | 19:06 |
| fiferboy | I will put it on the wiki page, and if someone wants to move it they can. It is just a small note for resolution setting on IdeaPad | 19:07 |
| lcuk | :) cool beans, thanks fiferboy | 19:07 |
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| fiferboy | Wiki modified | 19:12 |
| lardman | hey fiferboy, how was your trip over? | 19:12 |
| fiferboy | Hi lardman! | 19:12 |
| fiferboy | Trip was great. Saw very little of Ireland, quite a bit of Wales, and a small amount of England | 19:13 |
| lardman | cool :) | 19:13 |
| lardman | in fact probably quite cool | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | How was India? | 19:13 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, it was pretty cool and more than a little rainy :) | 19:13 |
| lardman | warm 20-25C, sunny | 19:13 |
| lardman | busy though, am glad to be back and on semi-holiday from tomorrow | 19:14 |
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| lardman | bbiam, have to pop to the shops to get supper | 19:14 |
| fiferboy | Semi-holidays are good | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | awesome, Rimmel London mailing me with goodies | 19:15 |
| lcuk | I can get just the makeup effect I want! | 19:15 |
| * lcuk wonders what eyeshadow and nailpolish will look like | 19:15 | |
| rauli_ | you plan to replace alessandro del piero in juventus? | 19:16 |
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| lcuk | rauli_, I hope not | 19:18 |
| Venemo | hi | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | hey Venemo \o | 19:20 |
| Venemo | hey lcuk o7 | 19:21 |
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| sabotage | lcuk, slaine: thanks... lemme know if you find something missing (like the development patterns/groups maybe)... | 19:21 |
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| slaine | sabotage: cheers | 19:22 |
| slaine | just tried it myself | 19:22 |
| slaine | works | 19:22 |
| slaine | is it correct that the handset ux doesn't scale fully ? | 19:22 |
| sabotage | BTW slaine, thanks for the shopping tips... sweater and scarf from "The Sweater Shop" on Nassau where a hit with my wife and daughter! | 19:23 |
| fiferboy | sabotage: What about adding the meego-handset-applications (or meego-handset-applications-branding) patterns? | 19:23 |
| slaine | sabotage: great, meant to follow up with an email on that | 19:23 |
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| fiferboy | That'll let you actually test the handset applications | 19:23 |
| sabotage | fiferboy: I considered that... yeah... but when I looked on my system, I didn't have that pattern installed | 19:23 |
| sabotage | so I prolly installed them all by hand | 19:24 |
| sabotage | also, they *will* clutter up the application lists with apps from the other desktops | 19:24 |
| fiferboy | sabotage: Did you run into the resolution problem on the netbook? | 19:24 |
| lcuk | sabotage, is it possible to add/remove the repo whilst changing perhaps? | 19:24 |
| sabotage | so in Handset, you'll see apps really only intended to be run on Netbook and vice-versa | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | Yeah, having the handset apps in the netbook menu is a pain sometimes | 19:25 |
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| sabotage | fiferboy: slaine: RE resolution, good point | 19:25 |
| sabotage | yeah, theres a fix | 19:25 |
| fiferboy | There may be a more elegant fix, but I put my fix in the wiki | 19:25 |
| lcuk | sabotage, fiferboy already added simple fix onto the wiki | 19:25 |
| slaine | yeah, we're pulling down 1.1, probably already fixed on the dailies | 19:26 |
| sabotage | you need to set the /meegotouch/target/name gconf key to a sane value for which there is a libmeegotouch config | 19:26 |
| sabotage | I should add that to the write up | 19:26 |
| fiferboy | sabotage: That is better than my fix, you could set it to slate | 19:26 |
| fiferboy | Although, will the virtual keyboard work with the default slate.conf? | 19:26 |
| sabotage | fiferboy: yeah, probably better to write your own device conf for the lenovo | 19:27 |
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| sabotage | that way you can allow keyboard in all orientation angles | 19:27 |
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| sabotage | but since there *is* a keyboard, I just used it for basic testing | 19:28 |
| fiferboy | The on-screen keyboard is nice when you turn multitouch on, although the screen angle in laptop mode makes is awkward | 19:29 |
| sabotage | VKB testing on the lenovo is a bit missleading anyway, since the response time and size is so much better than it is on current handset images | 19:29 |
| sabotage | as in performance | 19:29 |
| sabotage | ah, your playing with multi touch... lucky you ;) | 19:29 |
| fiferboy | Interesting | 19:29 |
| sabotage | yeah, you try the VKB on n900 or the Aava and you'll see what I mean | 19:30 |
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| fiferboy | sabotage: What device are you running the handset UX on? | 19:30 |
| sabotage | getting frames dropped in the annimations | 19:30 |
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| sabotage | I have an N900 and an pre-production ia32 device | 19:30 |
| javispedro | btw, does the meegokeyboard have problems under the netbook ux wm? I seem to have and I cannot guess if I introduced them or not | 19:30 |
| sabotage | plus the lenovo S10-3t | 19:30 |
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| sabotage | javispedro: yeah, I doubt it will work at all in that scenario | 19:31 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: I never got the VKB working in the latest version of the netbook ux | 19:31 |
| javispedro | the keyboard likes to get its own window instead of being unredirected and the like (thus being moved to his own "area") | 19:31 |
| lardman | lcuk: be careful of that nailpolish | 19:31 |
| sabotage | the handset VKB depends on inputmethod engines and UI servers that are not running in Netbook UX | 19:31 |
| lcuk | lardman, yeah i had so much trouble getting the red off my fingers last time :P | 19:32 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:32 |
| javispedro | sabotage: I got the keyboard itself working, I'm the gtk input method guy | 19:32 |
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| sabotage | the handset one, or the clutter/netbook one? | 19:32 |
| javispedro | it's just that I don't remember it interacting so bad with a wm | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:32 |
| javispedro | sabotage: the handset one (theoretically) | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:32 |
| npm | woohoo qt 4.7.1 in meego sdk updates | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:32 |
| javispedro | banhammer! | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:32 |
| Muncuie | _ ( ( ( Made in Indonesia ) ) ) _ | 19:33 |
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| wmarone | :( | 19:33 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 19:33 |
| sabotage | javispedro: IIRC, I think there might be a property you can set on a window so that mutter does not try to put it in it's own "desktop" | 19:33 |
| javispedro | nonstandard? | 19:33 |
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| sabotage | javispedro: by handset, you mean the one that comes from libmeegotouch? | 19:33 |
| javispedro | well, seeing that it is normal behaviour is all I wanted to know | 19:34 |
| sabotage | if so, I would be supprised | 19:34 |
| fiferboy | I notice when running the handset UX, netbook applications don't seem to request the VKB | 19:34 |
| sabotage | fiferboy: they are GTK based apps and the VKB engine running is Qt based... don't think they will work together out of the box | 19:35 |
| sabotage | but then again, this is not an area of expertise for me ;) | 19:35 |
| fiferboy | sabotage: That makes sense | 19:35 |
| lcuk | javispedro, wasnt that the direction of your GSOC assignment? | 19:35 |
| javispedro | sabotage: I think that's the one -- not the "bridges" one ;) | 19:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk: exactly | 19:35 |
| sabotage | you'd have to muck around with the /etc/xdg/autostart files to get all the needed services running, I believe | 19:36 |
| javispedro | theme daemon, contextd and meego-im-uiserver are the required onse | 19:36 |
| javispedro | s/context/feedbackd | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | fiferboy: by "I never got the VKB working in the latest version" you mean you got it working with a previous version? | 19:39 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: The instructions I found seemed to be for a previous version (1.1 I think) | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | The files they say to edit don't exist on my netbook | 19:40 |
| javispedro | ah, the "bridges" one | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | Yes | 19:40 |
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| javispedro | I also designed a win7-like input context | 19:42 |
| javispedro | ie tapping on a field shows a floating keyboard icon, tapping on the icon actually launches the keyboard | 19:42 |
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| javispedro | works much better on netbook | 19:43 |
| sabotage | fiferboy: so an alternative to your changes on the wiki would be to set the gconf key as I described, *and* changing the "KeyboardOpen" and "KeyboardClosed" values to either autodetect or 0,90,180,270 | 19:43 |
| fiferboy | sabotage: I will test that now | 19:43 |
| javispedro | but I implemented it on gtk... :P | 19:43 |
| sabotage | that would get you the keyboard being allowed IIRC | 19:43 |
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| andre__ | anybody knows how can I get my blog entries listed at http://meego.com/community/blogs ? There is no "how to" link on that page... | 19:45 |
| odin_ | what is the official RAM spec of the Lenovo IdeaPad ? too much bad information on the internet... the stick in it, is Samsung, PC3-10600 133MHz (I presume non-ECC, I presume Unbuffered, CAS Latency ???) even Samsungs own website had non-consistent information as an upgrade part shows up as desktop ram | 19:45 |
| javispedro | ram chips would probably vary a lot | 19:46 |
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| arfoll | odin_, it's DDR2 i doubt its 10600 | 19:46 |
| javispedro | official allowed ram is ddr2 | 19:46 |
| arfoll | I shoved a 667mhz 2GB stick in there and it works fine | 19:47 |
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| bobdole369 | laptop ddr2 ram tops out at 800 in most cases. | 19:49 |
| bobdole369 | At least thats the fastest I can easily buy. | 19:49 |
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| sabotage | FARK!!!! | 19:54 |
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| odin_ | stick label says "Samsung 1Gb 1Rx8 PC3-10600S-09-10-ZZZ" Single Rank, 8bit (making it non-ECC) and clock speed | 19:54 |
| sabotage | wiki.meego.com died mid-update to my "Changing Desktops" page | 19:54 |
| odin_ | WTF would I want to stick DDR2-667 in it for | 19:54 |
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| fiferboy | sabotage: It looks like changing the gconf key to "slate" will work, even the VKB | 19:56 |
| sabotage | cool | 19:56 |
| sabotage | I just totally lost 2 paragraphs of text while updating it with the gconf instructions | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | Unfortunately, changing the "showStatusBar" in the conf doesn't change anything | 19:56 |
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| sabotage | is it in an "[other]" section? | 19:57 |
| fiferboy | Yes | 19:57 |
| sabotage | odd | 19:58 |
| sabotage | is the app being tested a "fullscreen" app? | 19:58 |
| sabotage | and/or is sysuid running? | 19:58 |
| fiferboy | I think so. The desktop shows it too | 19:58 |
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| fiferboy | Hmm, no fullscreen apps don't show it | 19:59 |
| sabotage | yeah, as designed I believe | 20:00 |
| * sabotage goes AFK for a while... | 20:00 | |
| fiferboy | Ok | 20:00 |
| odin_ | ok I pulled labels off it now, M471B2873FHS-CH9 is the RAM part number | 20:00 |
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| odin_ | CL9 (9-9-9), so Samsung parts are M471B5773CHS-CH9 (2Gb), M471B5273CH0-CH9 (4Gb) | 20:10 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10#MeeGo_Community_:_Development | 20:21 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ^^ the CO meeting tonight... we should talk about getting this stuff into the CO space/roadmap | 20:22 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: you too ^^ | 20:23 |
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| npm | http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk starts soon | 20:33 |
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| npm | (as usual, if you try watching on linux, it'll say it failed, but if you have flash installed you can watch it) | 20:34 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: when is it? | 20:42 |
| lbt | 8pm | 20:42 |
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| odin_ | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 again... can we expect Santa to bring this to us all ? | 20:45 |
| auke | I just shot santa out back | 20:45 |
| odin_ | ah F**k | 20:45 |
| auke | how would you like community OBS instead? | 20:46 |
| odin_ | erm... what happens when you run some stats one month and find out I am eating your resources? | 20:47 |
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| auke | odin_: take a look at what happened to santa... | 20:48 |
| auke | :) | 20:48 |
| odin_ | so best I keep pushing on 615 then :) | 20:48 |
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| npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/dr-dobbs-webcast-slides-developing-with-meego-sdk.pdf are slides from aforementioned talk | 21:03 |
| npm | just made it readable too :-) | 21:04 |
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| abstract3d | npm: nice | 21:08 |
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| abstract3d | npm: is there any way to watch live any of this web conf? | 21:09 |
| npm | (made available for "fair use" only -- just incase people want to register and watch | 21:10 |
| npm | ) | 21:10 |
| npm | yes, see http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk | 21:10 |
| abstract3d | npm: oh thanks a lot! | 21:10 |
| npm | usually, these are made available for watching a few weeks later to those registered incase you missed some | 21:11 |
| npm | (which you didn't) | 21:11 |
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| abstract3d | so can i ask something.. there will be MeeGo for Handset, netbooks etc etc.. but Nokia will have their "special" MeeGo -Based, Maemo 6? | 21:11 |
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| abstract3d | well ignore that. if i want to create an app for meego (generally) so it is playable @handsets, netbooks etc. what yould be the way to do the development? | 21:12 |
| abstract3d | or i should be centralized to handsets or netbooks | 21:13 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: my limited non-developer view seems to indicate that you should simply use the Qt things. like Qt-mobility and QML | 21:13 |
| abstract3d | yeah, but Nokia has its own QT SDK | 21:14 |
| abstract3d | we have Nokia QT SDK and plain QT SDK | 21:14 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not familiar with those. Maybe the former exposes additional things? | 21:15 |
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| dm8tbr | or is simply tested for nokia devices? | 21:15 |
| npm | it's sort of badly named to have "QtMobility" be the platform indenpendent way of accessing media capture facilities ( http://apidocs.meego.com/1.0/qtmobility/multimedia.html ) | 21:16 |
| npm | since you could have media devices on IVI/netbook/handset and they should all be the same | 21:16 |
| npm | programming wise | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | I think they mean "mobility" as in "portability". | 21:19 |
| javispedro | Otherwise it makes no sense | 21:19 |
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| dm8tbr | they probably started on an mobile (handset) device and then it grew and grew :) | 21:20 |
| npm | but i could have a camera on a computer room rackmonitor that is running meego, and it is located in a fixed position (e.g. if meego were used to build http://www.buy.com/prod/apc-netbotz-room-monitor-355-security-camera-color-cable/q/loc/101/210992863.html ) | 21:20 |
| npm | it makes sense that nokia has it's own qt sdk since it owns qt and qt is dual licensed so they'd have the commercial license version :-) | 21:23 |
| npm | ^^ abstract3d | 21:23 |
| npm | and if there's any proprietary devices to interface to, they wouldn't need to share their sourcecode to be open-source compatible, per commercial license | 21:24 |
| * npm wonders how nokia protects it's cell phone interfaces from meego hackers making it transmit or receive in "protected" bands | 21:24 | |
| npm | which is one area where you'd want closed source | 21:25 |
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| npm | Hmm Feb 2011 Qt creator 2.1 with "qt simulator" | 21:26 |
| * npm wonders if qtmobility is simulated too | 21:26 | |
| dm8tbr | npm: I'd expect that you won't get easy access to the critical radio interfaces | 21:27 |
| dm8tbr | sliders for the accel sensor? ;) | 21:28 |
| npm | could be emulated with a joystick? | 21:28 |
| dm8tbr | I'd go for an external sensor. who still has joysticks nowadays anyway. ;) | 21:29 |
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| abstract3d | ok | 21:30 |
| npm | i guess the external midi controller is right out | 21:30 |
| npm | :-) | 21:30 |
| abstract3d | i am tired with opensuse / fedora /ubuntu etc etc | 21:30 |
| npm | i'm not. | 21:31 |
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| abstract3d | please lets run a poll, it would have some fun and i don't want to have another headache :$ | 21:31 |
| abstract3d | wich one to choose? | 21:31 |
| npm | Fedora | 21:31 |
| hena | i figures out ages ago all distros are tiredsome | 21:31 |
| hena | so i'm sticking with the most popular | 21:31 |
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| abstract3d | is fedora better supported? | 21:32 |
| npm | sure it's called red hat enterprise linux | 21:32 |
| npm | tha'ts the supported version of fedora | 21:32 |
| dm8tbr | I see many people using ubuntu at work for Qt development | 21:32 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd probably use debian though | 21:33 |
| abstract3d | i know that fedora comes from Red Hat, but after all they claim to be "stand-alone" community | 21:33 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: no way debian | 21:33 |
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| abstract3d | i am pleasured from gentoo, so i want to create a developer environment to run just fine, for ever for meego development | 21:34 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: I'd expect that you can set things up on gentoo too. | 21:36 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: well yes thats a good alternative option but i don't have the time right now for that | 21:37 |
| dm8tbr | unless there is a ready downloadable virtual machine with an ready set up environment, I think the work will be pretty simmilar. | 21:38 |
| abstract3d | hm.. meego sdk with qemu etc. qemu doesn't have this lag like virtual box right? | 21:39 |
| abstract3d | or it lags too? (i am on nvidia GPU laptop and @virtualbox meego 1.1 install i was having lag due to GPU) | 21:40 |
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| npm | "both windows 7, fedora and ubuntu platforms will get equal support" | 21:42 |
| npm | answer to q from conf | 21:43 |
| andre__ | err, "both" for 3 items? :-P | 21:43 |
| npm | heh | 21:43 |
| npm | all? | 21:43 |
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| npm | bad answer... qml is not like the Java JIT | 21:45 |
| npm | "our focus will be on fedora and ubuntu first, then open suse, as we have time" | 21:46 |
| npm | answers abstract3d questions | 21:46 |
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| abstract3d | npm: thanks | 21:51 |
| npm | "just last week, sdk for windows 7 and win xp released." ... but emulator is slower (graphics not acceld) | 21:51 |
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| abstract3d | npm: i tried to install meego netbook 1.1 @virtualbox but emulator is very slow due to graphics i suppose. someone in here told me thats because i dont have intel GPU | 21:57 |
| CosmoHill | nobody likes windows vista | 21:58 |
| abstract3d | npm: with linux host | 21:58 |
| lcuk | not true CosmoHill, Windows Me always sticks up for Vista | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | you mean this thing | 21:58 |
| * CosmoHill points to a blue screen | 21:58 | |
| qgil | Looking forward to the Community Office brainstorm meeting starting in few minutes - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10 | 21:59 |
| lbt | Jaffa: oi | 22:01 |
| lcuk | >>>>>>>>>>> Community office meeting now #meego-meeting <<<<<<<<<<< | 22:01 |
| lbt | X-Fade: you too ^^^ | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | qgil, rarely see texrat even on twitter at this time | 22:02 |
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| abstract3d | please someone tell me, "11:00 AM PT / 2:00 PM ET, One Hour " what time is that @GMT? | 22:42 |
| CosmoHill | Tue Dec 7 20:42:14 GMT 2010 | 22:42 |
| Jaffa | lbt: ah, did ask when it was ;-) | 22:43 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:43 |
| lbt | 8pm | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Busy | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | Sorry, Mel's birthday today | 22:43 |
| lbt | ok np | 22:43 |
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| abstract3d | so ET is 6 hours behind right? so event is running now to my country | 22:44 |
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| auke | GMT == +0, EST == -6, PST == -8 | 22:44 |
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| auke | TZ=EST date | 22:45 |
| auke | TZ=GMT date | 22:45 |
| abstract3d | 2:00 EST -> 8GMT ? | 22:45 |
| abstract3d | am i right? | 22:45 |
| auke | $ TZ=EST date | 22:45 |
| auke | Tue Dec 7 15:46:47 EST 2010 | 22:45 |
| auke | $ TZ=GMT date | 22:45 |
| auke | Tue Dec 7 20:47:01 GMT 2010 | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | auke: part of me wants to write what you just said as: GMT=0; EST-=6; PST-=8; | 22:46 |
| auke | hehe | 22:46 |
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| berndhs | can't go by the time, it keeps changing | 22:47 |
| auke | $ TZ=GMT date --date "2pm PST" | 22:48 |
| auke | Tue Dec 7 22:00:00 GMT 2010 | 22:48 |
| lbt | auke: now... | 22:48 |
| auke | $ TZ=GMT date --date "11am PST" | 22:48 |
| auke | Tue Dec 7 19:00:00 GMT 2010 | 22:48 |
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| auke | lol | 22:48 |
| thiago_home | too bad it can't parse "Europe/Helsinki" as a timezone | 22:49 |
| auke | EET? | 22:50 |
| abstract3d | well i missed the event :/ | 22:50 |
| abstract3d | EST is -5 GMT | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | that's because it's a city, not a time zone | 22:50 |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 22:50 |
| lbt | abstract3d: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ | 22:50 |
| auke | EET == east. european time | 22:50 |
| thiago_home | auke: it's easier to remember that it's GMT+2 | 22:50 |
| abstract3d | are there available the videos? | 22:50 |
| abstract3d | from webcasts? | 22:50 |
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| auke | $ TZ=GMT+2 date --date "11am PST" | 22:51 |
| auke | Tue Dec 7 17:00:00 GMT 2010 | 22:51 |
| auke | you can pass +2 to env TZ | 22:51 |
| auke | works fine | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | why do I get the feeling auke should be doing some work | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait that's me who sould be doing the work | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | if someone tells me the meeting starts at 4:00 pm and they're in Montreal, what time is it for me? | 22:52 |
| abstract3d | well, some webcasts are arranged, pdf files are stored at http://meego.com/community/events/presentations. videos are not recorded right? | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: about 2am? | 22:52 |
| CosmoHill | between bedtime and early morning | 22:53 |
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| abstract3d | http://meego.com/community/events/2010/dr.-dobbs-webcast-developing-meego-sdk | 22:59 |
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| abstract3d | thats a past event right? | 22:59 |
| abstract3d | is there any way to have the video? | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | this I think: https://www.techwebonlineevents.com/ars/eventregistration.do?mode=eventreg&F=1002700 | 23:02 |
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| CosmoHill | it requires registration tho | 23:02 |
| Texrat | hello hello | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | he's alive! | 23:03 |
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| Texrat | I am? | 23:03 |
| CosmoHill | also that webpage was made using a program instead of being coded by a person | 23:03 |
| Texrat | barely though.. been sick | 23:04 |
| abstract3d | CosmoHill: didn't miss the event | 23:05 |
| abstract3d | This presentation will be available on December 08, 2010 at 11:00 AM Pacific Standard Time | 23:05 |
| abstract3d | thank god :D | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | cool\ | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | i might still be up then :o | 23:05 |
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| abstract3d | well i am a lucky one | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | you have sky | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | sky+ ? | 23:06 |
| abstract3d | sky+ :$ | 23:06 |
| abstract3d | ? | 23:06 |
| rumohr | which database library does meego use? | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | joke | 23:06 |
| auke | rumohr: depends on the application needs | 23:07 |
| auke | there's no SQL database, if you're asking about that | 23:07 |
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| rumohr | okay.. something like that.. Android f.e. uses SQLite.. meego must have smth. similar.. | 23:08 |
| rumohr | to connect a DB | 23:08 |
| auke | there is not a central DB in a meego install | 23:08 |
| rumohr | hm. ok | 23:09 |
| wmarone | iirc, Qt supplies sqlite libraries, no? | 23:09 |
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| auke | yup | 23:09 |
| rumohr | haven't found something about | 23:09 |
| auke | the problem is that rumohr's question is too broad | 23:10 |
| auke | if he was more specific.... maybe I can get a more specific answer | 23:10 |
| rumohr | k, i'll try.. :) | 23:11 |
| rumohr | how is it possible to use a DB in an App... | 23:11 |
| rumohr | without crating an own DBMS | 23:11 |
| rumohr | *creating | 23:11 |
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| berndhs | rumohr: meego has sqlite | 23:13 |
| berndhs | everyone has sqlite | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | firefoxuses sqlite | 23:14 |
| auke | yup, sure | 23:14 |
| rumohr | okay. thanks ;) | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | it's basically a database in a file | 23:14 |
| rumohr | that was the question... | 23:14 |
| rumohr | yes | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | it belongs to the application, not the distro | 23:14 |
| rumohr | but you need a library to use that file | 23:14 |
| rumohr | ah | 23:14 |
| rumohr | ok | 23:14 |
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| rumohr | hm. correct me, if i am wrong.. but SQLite is a library, which is used to access a DB, stored in a file... so the library have to be included in a ditribution? | 23:16 |
| rumohr | or has to be included in Qt... | 23:16 |
| CosmoHill | I thought sqlite was a program | 23:16 |
| mortenmj | yeah. consider yourself corrected | 23:17 |
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| mortenmj | libsqlite is a library though | 23:17 |
| rumohr | wiki: SQLite is an ACID-compliant embedded relational database management system contained in a relatively small (~275 kiB)[4] C programming library. | 23:17 |
| rumohr | anyway, i got my answer.. thanks ;) | 23:17 |
| mortenmj | rumohr: when you say sqlite most people assume you mean the client | 23:17 |
| mortenmj | well, actually | 23:18 |
| rumohr | ah, okay.. | 23:18 |
| mortenmj | they assume you mean the whole DBMS | 23:18 |
| rumohr | wasn't my purpose | 23:18 |
| rumohr | *intention | 23:18 |
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| tgall_foo | which package has the /etc/gconf/schemas/meegotouch.schemas file? | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | rpm -qf /etc/gconf/schemas/meegotouch.schemas | 23:22 |
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| tgall_foo | that would work great were I on a meego install :-/ | 23:22 |
| rumohr | is it right, that Qt is among other things a package of libraries and API's, which are vicarious by many other libs and API's? so Qt has f.e. SQLite-functions and many more? Because Qt has many different libraries included, but nearly none of them are really famous... | 23:23 |
| mortenmj | tgall_foo: this is why we need something like packages.ubuntu.com for meego | 23:25 |
| lbt | rumohr: http://doc.trolltech.com/latest/qsqldatabase.html | 23:25 |
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| lbt | mortenmj: you mean "Surrounds" | 23:26 |
| rumohr | ah, cool. thx.. so i am right. Qt has libs included, which are similar to others (f.e. SQLite) but implemented by Trolltech/Nokia? | 23:26 |
| tgall_foo | mortenmj, yes that'd be handy ... i'm building debs for my own nefarious purposes so just trying to make it through the joy of the dep forest | 23:27 |
| lbt | rumohr: no ... read up more. It's all OSS and essentially presents a consistent API | 23:27 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: not following | 23:27 |
| rumohr | hm. okay.. i'll read more and come back later ;) | 23:27 |
| lbt | mortenmj: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group | 23:28 |
| slaine | thiago_home: where those notes any use btw ? | 23:28 |
| lbt | it's been a floating question for ages | 23:28 |
| lbt | mortenmj: and we discussed it at meegoconf | 23:29 |
| lbt | I must write some things up | 23:29 |
| mortenmj | lbt: we met? | 23:29 |
| lbt | generic we | 23:29 |
| lbt | but maybe :) | 23:29 |
| mortenmj | we might have | 23:29 |
| mattymo | anyone ever get meego installed on a fedora 14 system? | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | mortenmj: you see that tree over the road from your bedroom window... | 23:30 |
| mortenmj | anyway, what me and tgall_foo are talking about is a website that let's you search packages available for the distribution | 23:30 |
| lbt | ah.... that'll be (we expect) based on the OBS | 23:30 |
| mortenmj | lbt: packages.ubuntu.com is an example of that | 23:30 |
| mortenmj | well, if opensuse has a good solution that uses their OBS, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel | 23:30 |
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| CosmoHill | mortenmj: like a cataloug of packages for distros | 23:31 |
| mortenmj | yes. you can search packages by name and content, as well as browse | 23:31 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/search/search | 23:31 |
| lbt | type "xfce" | 23:31 |
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| lbt | there is also the "OCS" work being done | 23:32 |
| jonnor | mattymo: what do you mean by installed? | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | slaine: I haven't asked. I passed to the docs and QML people. | 23:32 |
| slaine | k | 23:32 |
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| slaine | you got them at least | 23:32 |
| lbt | which is all about app-store like things | 23:32 |
| lbt | including screen-shots, votes etc | 23:32 |
| mattymo | jonner, I did a yum group-install meego-netbook and it doesn't seem to work | 23:32 |
| CosmoHill | mattymo: use zypper | 23:32 |
| mattymo | I was wondering if anyone has any experience trying it that route | 23:33 |
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| CosmoHill | ~yum | 23:33 |
| infobot | hmm... yum is Yellowdog Updater Modified, available from http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ | 23:33 |
| * mattymo prefers fedora over suse | 23:33 | |
| CosmoHill | sorry I assumed you were on meego | 23:33 |
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| thiago_home | slaine: yes, I did | 23:34 |
| jonnor | mattymo: ah. This is best picked up in a Fedora support channel | 23:34 |
| mattymo | ah well it was worth trying | 23:34 |
| slaine | mattymo: what's up | 23:34 |
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| mattymo | I installed a dell mini 10v with f14 and then ran yum groupinstall meego-netbook, then tried to log in with fedora netbook as the desktop environment | 23:35 |
| mattymo | and it logs into a white screen | 23:35 |
| slaine | Ooo, nice | 23:35 |
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| jonnor | mattymo: make sure a bugreport is filed | 23:36 |
| slaine | yeah, that's a fedora question as CosmoHill said. Look out for pbrobinson on either #fedora or #fedora-mini | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | #fedora is a nice channel | 23:36 |
| mattymo | tried asking on #fedora earlier for anyone who uses meego | 23:37 |
| mattymo | but irc support is not a sure bet | 23:37 |
| slaine | no it's not | 23:37 |
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| slaine | Under your normal login, can you run 'mutter --replace' and have a functioning desktop | 23:38 |
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| mattymo | I can try | 23:39 |
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| tgall_foo | lbt: that would be far more useful if you could search through the file names located inside of the packages | 23:41 |
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| lbt | tgall_foo: mmm | 23:42 |
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| kaushik | Can we automate the building of meego core using rpmbuild? | 23:49 |
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| CosmoHill | you might be able to | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | but I can't quiet see the need for it | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | I mean if you are going to compile every package as they are you might as well just use the MeeGo ones | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | and if you're gonna change each package for a different build (e.g. non-SSSE3) you'd compile them one by one and test them | 23:51 |
| alterego | lbt: do you have much QML experience? | 23:51 |
| lbt | zero | 23:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:51 |
| alterego | What's the model number for the idea pads? | 23:52 |
| alterego | That were distributed at the conference? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | s10-3t | 23:52 |
| lbt | S10 3t | 23:52 |
| alterego | Cool, thanks. | 23:52 |
| alterego | Did they come with wwan/3g cards? | 23:53 |
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| kaushik | CosmoHill: I dnt want to modify for now ..bt if there is a way we can automate the build w/o obs then it wud help | 23:53 |
| kaushik | since i m facing problem setting up local obs | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | I think I once did "rpmbuild -ba *.spec" and that worked | 23:54 |
| kaushik | ok | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | but that wsa for only a few RPMs with their dependancies already met | 23:54 |
| kaushik | let me try | 23:54 |
| kaushik | ok ... | 23:54 |
| lbt | kaushik: you know you don't need an OBS to build locally ? | 23:54 |
| alterego | lbt: are you running meego on your idea pad? | 23:54 |
| lbt | alterego: of course | 23:55 |
| alterego | Cool, got any ideas for apps then? | 23:55 |
| alterego | I don't have any experience with meego netbook, so I don't know what is available. | 23:55 |
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| lbt | alterego: no... I'd start by finding one that has a good tutorial and basing the whole thing around that | 23:56 |
| alterego | Okay | 23:56 |
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| ali1234 | no 3g card with them, no | 23:57 |
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| alterego | Hrm, okay. | 23:58 |
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