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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:13 |
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| niala | night CosmoHill | 02:13 |
| CosmoHill | backup && sudo shutdown -h now | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | bye | 02:14 |
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| * ljp wonders how connman can consistantly fail to configure a wired network.. | 02:23 | |
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| magius_pendragon | I've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI touch-aware? | 03:57 |
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| ljp | hmm.. the 'preview' repo does not seem to be there anymore | 04:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | githogori, kimitake and I will hold with night. | 06:56 |
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| kimitake | hi, Alison, do you have meego pub obs account? | 07:28 |
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| npm | re: <thiago_home> QTDIR means nothing at all ... --> does QTDIR not exist on Meego's Qt?? | 08:03 |
| npm | for example http://qtjambi.sourceforge.net/development/building/ "QTDIRYou need to set a few environment variables for this: On Linux modifying compile.sh is most likely the easiest way, on Windows you can add the needed paths in the correct order to have proper Qt- and other tools" | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ljp: there's 'daily' repos now | 08:06 |
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| ljp | I saw that but see no mention of removal of the preview repos on the mailing list/forum, but I could have easily missed it | 08:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hey, kimitake, I didn't create an obs account. I've been failing with mic2 today instead. | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: the good thing about failing with mic2 is that once you get over that hurdle, everything else seems easy :P | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | ljp: yeah, they forgot to mention that one, but since preview is basically 'daily image on friday'.. | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: what errors are you getting? | 08:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I spent pretty much all day mulling over panda.ks, looking through the repos, reading mic2 docs, etc. Finally I compiled and made a new SD card and booted the Panda. The Panda said /boot was unreadable! So then I reformatted the card and started all over, resulting in the same error. This is all amazing since when I put the stock Panda image on a card, it went smoothly. Maybe the stupid SD card is bad. | 08:30 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | But at least my new filesystem, even though it can't be booted, has emacs rather than vim. Tomorrow is another day. | 08:32 |
| Alison_Chaiken | By the way, if you have upgraded to Fedora 14, mic-image-creator no longer works, because F14 has python-2.7 rather than python-2.6. F14 repos don't have a new mic2 rpm, but it's easy to get mic2 from git repo and build it (make, make install). | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: so, you took the raw output of mic2 and wrote it to sd? | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | if so, i can explain why | 08:35 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, I carefully followed the instructions on the OMAP4/MeeGo website. The first time, it worked like a charm with the stock image. Not sure why my new image has a broken /boot unless the chip is bad. I changed the ext3 filesystem, not /boot. | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: url? | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | so the problem is that omap bootloaders need a bizarre partition support | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | support/setup | 08:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Stskeeps, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | we are working to have mic2 auto generate that, so you take .raw image and write straight to sd | 08:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | And http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/SD_Configuration | 08:37 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hmm, the first time I went through the procedure exactly as outlined on those pages. | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | make bootable sd in first guide? | 08:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Yep, I used fdisk to make first partition bootable and VFAT as per instructions. I'll check tomorrow that first SD card still boots and then try again with third one. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you need the bizarre cylinder stuff too | 08:40 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Yep, I used fdisk to format 480 cylinders on a 4GB card. Our local electronics store is infamous for rewrapping returns and reshelving them. I am suspicious! | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | so 255 heads/63 sectors/480 cylinders? as in 'configure sd card'? | 08:42 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Precisely Stskeeps. Worked for 1st SD card, not for second. If first and third work tomorrow, second goes in trash! Thanks for your help and encouragement too. | 08:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | G'night all. | 08:43 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Soitelaan huomenta, or something like that. | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | nite | 08:44 |
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| kimitake | Alison_Chaiken: good night | 08:45 |
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| lardman | morning | 09:40 |
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| lardman | n=night? | 09:42 |
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| kismeter | who know how to build a debug qt, meego provide release qt by default | 09:54 |
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| lardman | you probably add something like QT_DEBUG as a flag | 09:59 |
| lardman | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/debug.html says how to disable it using the QT_NO_DEBUG flag | 09:59 |
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| thiago_home | kismeter: recompile it | 10:08 |
| thiago_home | but you don't need to unless you want to debug inside Qt | 10:08 |
| thiago_home | if you want to debug your own code only, do what lardman said | 10:08 |
| kismeter | thiago_home:I know need recompile it, but where should I change the release to debug | 10:10 |
| kismeter | lardman:I want to recompile the qt core to be debug. when I debug meego application, I can deep into qt code | 10:12 |
| lardman | Well you need to recompile Qt itself with that flag then | 10:13 |
| lardman | why do you need to look deep into Qt anyway? | 10:13 |
| kismeter | just for fun | 10:15 |
| kismeter | anybody done that before? should I modify the spec file? | 10:16 |
| lardman | edit the pro file probably | 10:16 |
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| lardman | or does it need to bootstrap | 10:16 |
| thiago_home | just modify the spec file | 10:17 |
| thiago_home | change "-release" to "-debug" | 10:17 |
| kismeter | thiago_home:but I can't find it | 10:17 |
| thiago_home | what can't you find? | 10:17 |
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| kismeter | thiago_home:http://pastebin.com/H3cqZFzj | 10:20 |
| kismeter | thiago_home:it's my qt.spec no -release | 10:22 |
| thiago_home | add -debug to the configure (line 580) | 10:24 |
| thiago_home | -release is the default | 10:24 |
| kismeter | thiago_home:thanks | 10:25 |
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| Mek | lbt: is there any progress on Team: projects on the community obs? Anything I can do to get that moving forward? | 11:14 |
| lbt | there isn't yet | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:14 |
| lbt | hey Jaffa | 11:14 |
| lbt | Mek: we need to get some policy discussions going | 11:15 |
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| lbt | I'm hoping the holiday season will see some community tasks getting attention | 11:15 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS&diff=23153&oldid=19979 | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 11:16 |
| dm8tbr | np | 11:16 |
| dm8tbr | I skipped the example qemu-img command-line as a person setting up obs should be able to comprehend and apply the linked man page :) | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | that's much to ask | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:18 |
| dm8tbr | 'built in security feature' ;) | 11:18 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: aard told me about boss, is the source public yet? I'm considering to propose a setup for our internal meego competence development project. | 11:19 |
| lbt | yes it is public and open | 11:20 |
| lbt | we're using it in production | 11:20 |
| lbt | but it is not 'productised' | 11:20 |
| lbt | there are rpms | 11:20 |
| dm8tbr | they would go onto an obs install? | 11:21 |
| lbt | but documentation and initial setup is not "trivial" | 11:21 |
| lbt | alongside | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 11:21 |
| lbt | we'd be happy to assist though | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | I'll try to propose this and will come back asking for pointers and help if it gets a go-ahead | 11:21 |
| lbt | just setting expectations | 11:21 |
| dm8tbr | sure | 11:21 |
| lbt | it is being deployed RSN in meego core and community | 11:22 |
| lbt | and I've had interest expressed from a couple of vendor type | 11:22 |
| lbt | s | 11:22 |
| lbt | so getting those "kickstart" shortcomings addressed is in the plans | 11:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | is it now possible to have a phone call on MeeGo using the earpiece and not the loudspeakers? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on policy rules still afaik | 12:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | what are these policy rules? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | basically what handles let's say "plug in headset -> route audio to headset | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | tc | 12:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | ah | 12:27 |
| alterego | Control logic for pulse | 12:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | understandable | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | and everything else | 12:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | is there an ETA for this component? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | 'in works' | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | it has to work on several platforms, verticals and devices, so | 12:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ok | 12:28 |
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| Venemo_N900 | my other question is, how are the drivers for the N900? | 12:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | are they complete now or there are things still missing? | 12:29 |
| alterego | Camera, GPS aren't in yet | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | camera's in works | 12:30 |
| alterego | Oh, okay. | 12:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | and all others are done? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | \\\ | 12:30 |
| alterego | CIR is untested, but I was gonna look into that this afternoon or tomorrow. | 12:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | eg. leds, vibra, fmtx, modem, etc? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | modem works | 12:31 |
| zinit | has anyone put a 3g card in the S10 and got it working yet? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | leds do | 12:31 |
| alterego | fmtx is probably not available yet, or fmrx for that matter :) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: best thing to do is to just try it out. it's an ongoing project | 12:31 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: how does the meego project deal w/ binaries such as the graphics etc? Will they be stored in a separate "vendor secific" tree or? | 12:31 |
| zinit | only been trying with a vodafone usb so far, and that one I got working | 12:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: I would, but I don't have a spare N900 :( | 12:32 |
| zinit | (mini pci 3G cards cost more than my budget so far) | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | tybollt: we have a 'non-oss' section which contains royalty-free redistributable binaries | 12:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: anyway, I'm happy there's progress :) | 12:33 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: in the same tree? Nice. | 12:33 |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: also do you get intel/nokia legal dept support for the binaries, so there's no BS down the road wrt licensing etc (you know, the usual drama)? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: it's in Trunk:non-oss, nothing in Trunk depends on it, so it's not mixed | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: and do you think we'd get permission to put things there without lawyers looking at it? :P | 12:35 |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: No, of course not :) | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | so things should be fine | 12:36 |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: But as for all things open source - if you don't focus a bit on those issues right at the start they are bound to come back and bit you in the ass later on. :) | 12:36 |
| tybollt | But, that sounds reassuring... | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: of course | 12:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: talking about the N900, what drivers are closed and which are open? | 12:37 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: closed, mainly, SGX driver | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: BME, SGX and two pulseaudio modules and that's about it, i think | 12:39 |
| alterego | Probably firmware for bluetooth and wireless | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | and firmwar | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | e | 12:39 |
| alterego | What pa modules? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | some related to speaker protection and 3gpp stuff | 12:39 |
| alterego | Hrm | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's to avoid 'trouble on the gsm network' | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | so | 12:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: and are these drivers rebuilt for each new kernel release? | 12:40 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: they're rebuilt for every build | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: userspace, kernel drivers are oss | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | no closed bits in kernel | 12:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | so no need to rebuild them either? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 12:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | that's even better than my Linux desktop | 12:42 |
| alterego | Well, not as much hardware to support ;) | 12:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | for my desktop, I have to rebuild my wlan driver each time the kernel is updated | 12:44 |
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| Venemo_N900 | also the akmod has to rebuild the nvidia graphics driver for me | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | even xorg driver is open, so it's 'as good as it gets' | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | nice | 12:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: what's the situation with Gtk/Hildon? Who won the €50000? | 12:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: no clue - i haven't heard of any work going on | 12:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: has there been any applications at all? | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: i think the weighing is really effort of making hildon+gtk work nicely vs just recoding things in qml+qt | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
| lcuk | different groups of people | 12:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe, yeah | 12:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | still, I could use the cash :P | 12:56 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, i told you when it was published, review your logs and speak with the people I mentioned then about a proposal | 12:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, I have no logs, but I remember you telling me | 12:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: I had no free time at all for this kind of thing back then. | 12:57 |
| * lcuk nods | 12:58 | |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, but approx. in a week, my free time'll increase a lot | 12:58 |
| lcuk | yup as you said | 12:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | so, did those guys start working on it? | 13:00 |
| lcuk | idk i have other things to take my time | 13:00 |
| rumohr | which devices are already sold with meego? any? | 13:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: I don't think so, but would be surprised if there's any | 13:01 |
| rumohr | k, thx | 13:01 |
| rumohr | and it is, by now, only possible to get it running on N900? | 13:02 |
| rumohr | and netbooks, etc.. | 13:02 |
| rumohr | i mean mobile devices | 13:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: nope, there's the aava handset, a bunch of netbooks, and some people're also making ports for htc devices | 13:03 |
| rumohr | i am writing an essay about meego.. thats why i am asking such dumb ;) | 13:03 |
| rumohr | ok | 13:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: there is also a porting guide, so anyone can start their port any time | 13:03 |
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| rumohr | yes, i saw. thx | 13:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: you can find more info on meego.com's articles | 13:04 |
| rumohr | yes, i know. i nearly live on that page for days ;) | 13:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: okay | 13:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | rumohr: what kind of essay is it that you're writing? | 13:06 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: ping ... is anything being done about the lost mail archives? | 13:07 |
| rumohr | i am studiyng economical informatics and we got an seminar with the topic "mobile OS".. i got meego, some others android, iOS, RIM, etc... | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: the double-gzip archive problem? | 13:07 |
| rumohr | should become a presentation of an hour.. | 13:07 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: no http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-October/thread.html | 13:08 |
| lbt | many are missing | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: we probably need to file a bug for that | 13:08 |
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| lbt | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10909 | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | CC\ed | 13:18 |
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| lbt | I'm back on the "meego version numbering is broken" | 13:21 |
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| lbt | you simply can't tell when a bug was fixed | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's why people start referring to SR#'s nw | 13:22 |
| lbt | seriously? | 13:22 |
| lbt | we don't care that we can't locate which rpm a bugfix appears in? | 13:23 |
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| lbt | the changelog doesn't tell us | 13:24 |
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| * CosmoHill is kinda stuffed >.< | 13:29 | |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, SR# ? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | lbt do you have a bug relating to the versioning? | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | can anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial for internet sockets | 13:33 |
| lbt | lcuk: No... not yet | 13:33 |
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| lbt | I think I'll have to | 13:33 |
| lcuk | yes | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | I need to program a hybrid ftp / chat program but I'm kinda stumped :( | 13:34 |
| lbt | lcuk: it's something I bump into ... not sure who else does | 13:34 |
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| ptl | ftp/chat? | 13:34 |
| lbt | it should be a high level release overview thing | 13:34 |
| lbt | and a QA issue | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, not I can kinda do the chat bit | 13:35 |
| CosmoHill | but the sever crashes whenever the client disconnects | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | lbt http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-10-29.log.html#t2010-10-29T20:03:02 | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | it effects more than you | 13:38 |
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| lbt | http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-packaging@meego.com/msg00415.html | 13:39 |
| lbt | there is also an issue that we need to support changes to packages in 1.1 when 1.2 is out | 13:39 |
| lbt | I wonder if auke has a solution there? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | of course, backporting is essential for any production system | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | right I'm gonna go into uni and panic | 13:40 |
| lbt | but how do you manage the versioning of the package? | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | lbt in simpler times, we had enough leeway with our packages that could commit a whole range of changes between the 2 major releases and not conflict | 13:41 |
| lbt | yeah | 13:41 |
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| lbt | OK .... a new question: What does package versioning need to do? | 13:42 |
| MoL0ToV | hi to all! i have a n97-mini. someone know if exist a way to run linux kernel on nokia N-series? i can help testing | 13:42 |
| captainigloo | hi, I see on the meego wiki that it's possible to install meego on an HTC Desire, (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire) | 13:43 |
| captainigloo | but i can't find any infos about the kernel use and the modifications done on the meego rootfs | 13:43 |
| captainigloo | somebody have infos about it ? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | MoL0ToV, not sure, its not our specific focus here, please try internet search and once you know more you could come and report back | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | captainigloo, goto #meego-arm as said on that page | 13:44 |
| lcuk | lbt | 13:44 |
| ali1234 | N95 N97 etc were never hacked to my knowledge | 13:44 |
| lcuk | package should be differentiated in a way the update manager knows | 13:45 |
| captainigloo | lcuk: oh ok thanks sorry | 13:45 |
| lcuk | ie, greater | 13:45 |
| lcuk | users rarely know/care about packaging versions unless they have cute release names | 13:45 |
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| ali1234 | and of course anything the user doesn't care about isn't worth doing | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, read a bit about the scrollback :P | 13:46 |
| lbt | I'm thinking "Identify a reproduceable unit of software with known features/bug-fixes" | 13:47 |
| lbt | "support release to release upgrades" | 13:47 |
| lbt | "permit maintenance updates of a stable branch" | 13:47 |
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| ali1234 | package version number should clearly relate to a git tag somewhere (or similar) | 13:48 |
| lbt | well. that's one technical solution to that point | 13:48 |
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| ali1234 | ie upstream | 13:49 |
| txithihausen | Hi guys, I'm dealing with a doubt about power consumption in the Meego OS that I want to ask you. | 13:49 |
| txithihausen | I have conducted a set of experiments among different netbook-based distros, including MeeGO Os, Jolicloud, WattOS, Ubuntu Netbook so on, aiming to determine what ditros presents the better behaviors and why. | 13:49 |
| lcuk | ali1234, git tags can and do vary wildly but since git is not the sole SCM it cannot be relied upon | 13:49 |
| txithihausen | All distros but MeeGo have presented a similar behavior regarding to power consumption parameter. Such distributions had an average consumption of about 950 mA. | 13:49 |
| txithihausen | In turn, the meego had presented a average consumption of 700 mA. Could you give any clues about why the meego distribution have presented a better behavior? | 13:49 |
| ali1234 | or similar | 13:49 |
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| lcuk | txithihausen, its built with a sprinkling of awesome. | 13:51 |
| dm8tbr | txithihausen: you don't even state your hardware, nor what usage pattern or measurement methodology was applied... | 13:51 |
| lbt | txithihausen: in general it's a design objective. Hence it is considered during implementation, measured (somehow) and regressions are fixed | 13:52 |
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| ali1234 | jolicloud, wattos, ubuntu netbook... all ubuntu derivatives. why is it surprising they all use the same amount of power? | 13:54 |
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| txithihausen | hum... thanks for you replies! :) Regarding to measurement methodology, I ran a script that write the current power consumption | 13:55 |
| txithihausen | for a certain amount of time... | 13:55 |
| lcuk | damn, thats a nifty trick. i used a stop watch and a clicker and counted the electrons as they passed along the cable :P | 13:56 |
| txithihausen | lcuk, :P | 13:56 |
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| sivang | what's the email or name of the guy working on the compliance spec? | 14:40 |
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| thiago | sivang: his first name is Mats | 14:44 |
| thiago | surname starts with W | 14:44 |
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| * Stskeeps points to mwichmann | 14:45 | |
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| sivang | thiago: yes, I'm trying to find the email address , perhaps here http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance or here : http://meego.com/about/governance | 14:45 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: right, do you know the exact title and email? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | just search on meego-dev mails | 14:46 |
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| sivang | can someone please pretty please fill this at least with a contact person? :) http://meego.com/about/compliance-program | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, mark skarpeness is the one in charge, while mats does the real editing, i think | 14:46 |
| * sivang thanks for having an Stskeeps | 14:47 | |
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| Stskeeps | check governance - quality, i think | 14:47 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: yes, mark's name is in here: http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance | 14:49 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: email found in -dev | 14:50 |
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| jeremiah_ | I think Ibrahim is also involved in compliance | 14:52 |
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| jeremiah_ | But I don't think we've come to the final compliance definition. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | enforcement, maybe | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | i just hope 1.1 compliance comes out before 1.2 one.. | 14:54 |
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| jeremiah_ | Where does MeeGo hide the Xorg.conf file? Anyone? | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | most is autodetection | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | 14:56 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: There are a bunch there. | 14:57 |
| jeremiah_ | But not the default | 14:57 |
| sivang | jeremiah_: far far from being complete, yes. | 14:59 |
| thiago | jeremiah_: what do you want to do? | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: basically xorg.conf.d is only for when autodetect goes wrong .. xorg 1.9 does things differently | 15:04 |
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| jeremiah_ | thiago: I was hoping to get the XTerm fonts a bit bigger | 15:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | And then I hoped to change the full screen resolution of an app I'm working on for MeeGo IVI. | 15:11 |
| thiago | jeremiah_: what does xterm have to do with xorg.conf? | 15:11 |
| thiago | or the resolution? If you want to change the resolution, replace the monitor. | 15:11 |
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| jeremiah_ | Never mind. I'll dig into it myself. | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: dpi? | 15:14 |
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| jeremiah_ | meh? | 15:17 |
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| altini | hello people | 16:07 |
| altini | i need some help on b43 drivers meego 1.1 has anyone any idea how can i install them ? | 16:07 |
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| erstazi | altini: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=288 << you need to install b43-fwcutter | 16:08 |
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| erstazi | altini: althought CONFIG_B43 might not be compiled into the kernel for meego. | 16:09 |
| altini | hhmm | 16:09 |
| altini | b43-fwcutter | 16:10 |
| altini | how is that installed i remember when i used meego on 1.0 thought i used yum install | 16:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | Is anyone else having trouble with the ARM repos? I'm getting a "Media exception" when I try to update | 16:16 |
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| rumohr | someone bored and up to write a 20-30 lines app? :) | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | depends what the app is :) | 17:29 |
| thiago | GNU Hello | 17:29 |
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| rumohr | nearly.. :) should be an app with 2 dices. 1 dropdown (number of dices) and a button to roll the dices.. (no grafics needed).. and than a field (label perhabs) with the number the diced say... | 17:31 |
| leinir | So... YADR ;) | 17:31 |
| thiago | Yet Another Development Request? | 17:32 |
| lcuk | rumohr, http://qt.nokia.com/products/ | 17:32 |
| rumohr | already got Qt | 17:32 |
| jonnor | rumohr: is this your homework? :) | 17:32 |
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| leinir | thiago: Yet Another Dice Roller ;) | 17:33 |
| rumohr | not a homework. should show how meego apps look like in my seminar.. | 17:33 |
| lcuk | rumohr, then why cant you write a 20-30 line app yourself | 17:33 |
| rumohr | not a c++ fan | 17:34 |
| lcuk | plenty of other languages in the sea. | 17:34 |
| rumohr | is it possible to write in java? | 17:34 |
| rumohr | haven't found smth about | 17:34 |
| jonnor | http://qtjava.sourceforge.net/ second link with google | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | sigh | 17:35 |
| jonnor | Unsupported afaik on Meego though ;) | 17:35 |
| ali1234 | lol java | 17:35 |
| berndhs | be adventurous, learn something nre | 17:36 |
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| v_zaitsev | i saw someone running some form of Java on N900... kaybe that work could be extended towards MeeGo | 17:36 |
| berndhs | s/nre/new/ | 17:36 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: be adventurous, learn something new | 17:36 |
| thiago | you can try writing it in Java | 17:36 |
| v_zaitsev | k=m | 17:36 |
| rumohr | my seminar is on thursday.. ;) | 17:36 |
| thiago | but you'll miss the point if you wanted to show how MeeGo apps looked like | 17:36 |
| berndhs | lots of time | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | why not just use one of the examples? | 17:36 |
| rumohr | the dice-app-task is given by my prof... | 17:37 |
| v_zaitsev | for showing something on Thursday, java is not your option | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | ah, so it *is* homework... | 17:37 |
| rumohr | in some way.. | 17:37 |
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| rumohr | not my school-homework.. study-project-homework | 17:38 |
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| rumohr | http://meego.com/developers/getting-started/create-basic-meego-application <- this application will run on mobile devices too? even if it is not esspecially written for it? or do i have to use the meego touch framework? the one used is Clutter, i suggest? | 17:42 |
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| jonnor | That application is using Qt, and that will run on all device profiles | 17:43 |
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| rumohr | okay. because of the menu i thought.. but okay.. | 17:43 |
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| qgil | lcuk: ping | 18:12 |
| lcuk | hey qgil \o | 18:13 |
| qgil | about http://wiki.meego.com/News.meego.com#.40meegocom_at_Twitter - did you say you preferred to "forward" tweets to meegocom by using @meegocom instead of #meegocom? | 18:13 |
| qgil | hi there :) | 18:14 |
| lcuk | qgil, I believe thats the way I have seen it done in other places, like mwkn and other shared accounts (group WOM projects) | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | qgil, it gives the impression of passing on a tip | 18:15 |
| lcuk | then the people maintainin the account can then action it and do whatever is needed | 18:16 |
| qgil | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News says that @, # or even "d" are good - I'd prefer to offer a single way | 18:16 |
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| qgil | lcuk: then again, anybody searching #meegocom can see all the status proposed, while at twitter.com/meegocom only the selected will be retweeted | 18:17 |
| qgil | lcuk: also, at least for starters we are letting people the chance to send questions using @meegocom (and get a reply, if feasible) | 18:17 |
| qgil | this way we have to uses separate: # for forwarding statuses and @ for a direct communication | 18:18 |
| qgil | does this make sense lcuk ? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | sure, as a quick test I just checked #mwkn and @mwkn in searches | 18:18 |
| lcuk | the hashtag was unused whilst it seems at least one tip was passed to the account | 18:18 |
| qgil | Jaffa: hi, any preferences / insights? | 18:19 |
| qgil | same for other Twitter insiders in the room | 18:20 |
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| qgil | mmm ok, let's start with @ only, then lcuk - thanks for the feedback! | 18:21 |
| lcuk | \o | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | qgil, perhaps an idea to discuss with @WomWorldNokia | 18:22 |
| qgil | lcuk: meh :) | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | hah | 18:23 |
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| abstract3d | for meego development, its better to install ubuntu or fedora 32bit? | 18:26 |
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| abstract3d | i am not between those two. i am gentoo 64bit user and i am wondering if i have to install an additional distro for meego development | 18:27 |
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| berndhs | shouldn't make much difference | 18:28 |
| berndhs | teh lib names in meego now look more like opensuse stuff | 18:28 |
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| abstract3d | is it safe to develop on a virtual machine? | 18:39 |
| thiago | yes | 18:39 |
| abstract3d | vmware or vbox? | 18:39 |
| abstract3d | :$ | 18:39 |
| Bostik | vbox seems to work nicely | 18:40 |
| Bostik | I've seen some rather alarming comments here that starting the .vmx image somehow corrupts it | 18:40 |
| Bostik | ..in vmware player, that is | 18:40 |
| abstract3d | hm nice so i will go with vbox | 18:41 |
| abstract3d | thanks Bostik & thiago and berndhs :) | 18:41 |
| Bostik | but anyhow, you get the same package selection in vm as you get in any native setup, get to tweak packaging for your own needs as long as you need and then finally build the "ready" packages in OBS :) | 18:41 |
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| Bostik | (it also helps that OBS can trivially build the ARM packages too, you don't need to do anything other than enable a build target) | 18:42 |
| abstract3d | it's better to go with opensuse? | 18:43 |
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| Bostik | whatever you want to use as your host, just pick a meego netbook image for your vm install media | 18:43 |
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| abstract3d | ehm... sorry for all that questions i am just little unsure and i want to do that with the right way :$ | 18:45 |
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| abstract3d | i am with gentoo. i will install propably opensuse or fedora cause of rpm package managers. i suppose that i will go with opensuse. that will be my development environment right? or it's better to install meego netbook edition? | 18:46 |
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| Bostik | abstract3d: meego is simply "just another" linux distro - it just has very specific target market | 18:47 |
| Bostik | so you install it like any other linux inside a VM | 18:47 |
| Bostik | then develop on that, for the specified target itself | 18:48 |
| abstract3d | yeah i know that it's an | 18:48 |
| Bostik | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 18:48 |
| Bostik | just use 1.1 image and you should be all set | 18:48 |
| abstract3d | yeah i know that it's another linux distro. so my development environment will be meego_netbook right? | 18:48 |
| Bostik | yep | 18:49 |
| Bostik | or more to the point, your local *build* environment will be that | 18:49 |
| Bostik | there's nothing to prevent you from writing the code on host | 18:49 |
| Bostik | ..I do that :) | 18:49 |
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| Bostik | [write code] --> scp to VM --> [build code] --> [install RPM packages] --> [execute for smoketesting] --> iterate as needed | 18:51 |
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| abstract3d | so i will install all meego-sdk etc inside meego_netbook right? | 18:52 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: if I'm reading Bostik right, you're just giong to install your toolchain in the vm | 18:52 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: and build code from there | 18:52 |
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| Bostik | you should know that I have never used QtDesigner (in any form) for my development | 18:52 |
| abstract3d | ah nice :) | 18:52 |
| abstract3d | Bostik: hm.. but u are using Qt-Creator IDE right? :$ | 18:53 |
| Bostik | abstract3d: nope :D | 18:53 |
| abstract3d | :$ | 18:53 |
| Bostik | my development is more on system-level, I utterly suck at UI stuff | 18:54 |
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| Bostik | and I've yet to find anything to surpass vim as my editor | 18:54 |
| abstract3d | aaaaaah nice :P | 18:54 |
| Myrtti | Bostik: butterflys | 18:54 |
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| Bostik | Myrtti: please elaborate | 18:55 |
| abstract3d | for developing graphical apps, qt-creator will be on my host right? and after that scp source and build inside vm | 18:55 |
| abstract3d | hope so that i got the point :p | 18:55 |
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| magius_pendragon | I've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI (multi) touch-aware? I know about xorg 7.5 and the evdev patch. | 18:56 |
| Myrtti | Bostik: http://xkcd.com/378/ | 18:56 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: no need for qt-creator in that cycle | 18:56 |
| abstract3d | if i want to create GUI is there another way to do that? | 18:57 |
| Bostik | blegh, I'll repay yo for that one on Friday my dear Myrtti | 18:57 |
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| Myrtti | Bostik: love you too ♥ ♥ ♥ | 18:57 |
| iekku | :o | 18:57 |
| Bostik | something like that | 18:57 |
| berndhs | abstract3d: qt designer is helpful | 18:58 |
| iekku | could someone please kick me? | 18:58 |
| abstract3d | ?! | 18:59 |
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| iekku | need to open my work laptop and start to do some work | 18:59 |
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| iekku | interested [ ] , not einterested [×] | 18:59 |
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| iekku | l-e | 18:59 |
| iekku | pojdslkgj saglkfhölkghasg | 18:59 |
| Myrtti | iekku: but it's... 6th | 18:59 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, I know | 18:59 |
| Myrtti | although I should book in my hours too... | 19:00 |
| Myrtti | *cough* | 19:00 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, but my boss said he wants his report tomorrow.... | 19:00 |
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| iekku | maybe he gets light version... | 19:01 |
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| iekku | Myrtti, problem solved, thanks for the help :D | 19:02 |
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| iekku | now I just lay on the livingroom the rest of the evening :) | 19:03 |
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| abstract3d | Bostik: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox since it's out 1.1 i will go with that right? (v1.1) | 19:05 |
| berndhs | 1.1 | 19:05 |
| abstract3d | ok thanks | 19:06 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: if you want to get 1.1 netbook running in vbox don't use the 1.0 guide | 19:08 |
| lbt | o/ qgil ... was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate | 19:08 |
| dm8tbr | let me try to remember what I did... | 19:08 |
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| lbt | we're starting to see the QA process taking shape | 19:09 |
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| iekku | lbt, in what area? | 19:09 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg06270.html | 19:09 |
| abstract3d | is that the solution? | 19:09 |
| lbt | community promotion of packages to "Extras" | 19:09 |
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| lbt | which is still not properly named or branded | 19:10 |
| qgil | lbt: that's an innovative idea that I shared with you before the summer ;) | 19:10 |
| lbt | qgil: :P | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: no that whole guide is redundant | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | at least most of it is misleading | 19:10 |
| lbt | well we have a live OBS now ... and xmas hols are nearly here | 19:10 |
| dm8tbr | later you install the vbox additions yes, but you start completely different | 19:11 |
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| iekku | lbt, huh, I was scares you are waiting something from the core or ux side | 19:11 |
| qgil | lbt: where in the MeeGo project is all this OBS-Extras activity organized? | 19:11 |
| lbt | iekku: hehe .... nah | 19:11 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: IIRC what I did was to start with an raw or qemu image and convert that for vbox | 19:11 |
| lbt | qgil: it's not organised ... we're just doing it | 19:12 |
| qgil | lbt: and what kind of coordination are you willing to have with the CO | 19:12 |
| iekku | lbt, immediately after I had desided not to work today :D | 19:12 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: hm.. u installed meego inside qemu, and u convert that image to vbox? | 19:12 |
| lbt | qgil: I honestly don't know what we need to do or how best to coord | 19:12 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: no, I just took an image and put it into vbox | 19:13 |
| abstract3d | and where did you find the raw image? :$ | 19:13 |
| lbt | qgil: this is part of making meego a great place to develop | 19:13 |
| qgil | lbt: sure, I'm just trying to guess what you have in mind when you say "was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate" | 19:13 |
| lbt | and a way to bring the lessons from the maemo community over | 19:13 |
| qgil | lbt: I still think that all the community-obs, Extras etc fits perfectly under the CO umbrella | 19:14 |
| lbt | yeah... so maybe see how you're scheduling things... just participate in the meetings | 19:14 |
| abstract3d | anyway, if for 1.1 doesnt work this guide, if i go with 1.0 meego version, i will be ok? i just want to learn how to develop applications etc | 19:14 |
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| lbt | I'm happy about that at this point :) | 19:14 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook - just take one of those. now that I look at it I should have used one of them... instead what I did | 19:15 |
| qgil | lbt right on time for http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10 ? | 19:15 |
| lbt | yes... that was on my mind | 19:15 |
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| lbt | this fits the review of scope/structure/approach | 19:15 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: if you can't directly use it with vbox you can use the qemu-img command to convert it to vdi | 19:15 |
| qgil | lbt: agreed | 19:16 |
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| lbt | I'll prod tekojo and X-Fade too | 19:16 |
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| qgil | lbt: it would be great if the CO would be useful for the OBS-Extras without adding unnecessary "structure" and "organization", if you know what I mean | 19:17 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: so did you do that thing with libglx.so and clutter-xvisual? | 19:17 |
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| lbt | *nod* ... just thinking via my fingers :) | 19:17 |
| qgil | lbt: having the ongoing tasks visible would be helpful - I have been trying to get bi-weekly updates from tekojo and even that was difficult... | 19:18 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: none of that was necessary | 19:18 |
| lbt | yes... we also have ad-hoc things like "managing secret bugs for meego-it" | 19:18 |
| qgil | lbt ? | 19:18 |
| lbt | we have a bug area for meego-it | 19:18 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: I didn't get vbox 3d accel working though back then. didn't really spend much time trying though | 19:18 |
| thp | DawnFoster: ping. any news wrt the meego-python mailing list? | 19:18 |
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| lbt | but it's all "secret" (and rightly so) | 19:18 |
| dm8tbr | the vbox guest additions installed cleanly though | 19:18 |
| qgil | lbt you mean out of bugs.meego.com ? | 19:18 |
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| lbt | we have one on b.m.o | 19:19 |
| DawnFoster | thp: I should be able to finish configuring it later today | 19:19 |
| lbt | a component | 19:19 |
| abstract3d | i am little confused again of what to choose :$ | 19:19 |
| qgil | lbt then what's the secret? | 19:19 |
| thp | DawnFoster: thanks :) | 19:19 |
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| lbt | we need to find a way to track internal task/bugs in a way that doesn't expose potential infra issue | 19:20 |
| lbt | and yet allow more 'normal' bugs to be seen | 19:20 |
| lbt | the easy "get started" was to make it all secret | 19:20 |
| qgil | lbt doesn't Bugzilla allow you to set groups and permissions for bugs? Why not using that? | 19:20 |
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| qgil | lbt: any, this is really out of my turf :) | 19:21 |
| iekku | it does | 19:21 |
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| iekku | lbt, I have been also thinking about that issue | 19:21 |
| lbt | yes... but we need to raise and address these issues. And the group needs to 'sit' somewhere in the CO | 19:21 |
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| lbt | oh DawnFoster http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 | 19:22 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: I'd just go with an regular netbook image. I can try it if you're afraid. I'm half bored enough to do that... | 19:22 |
| lbt | iekku: ? | 19:22 |
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| iekku | lbt, about the internal tasks and bugs and reviews etx | 19:23 |
| iekku | etc even | 19:23 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: hmmm, I should be able to see everything, and I'm getting unauthorized on that one | 19:23 |
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| qgil | lbt me neither, and this is something new :) | 19:24 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: i want to learn to develop applications for meego.. if i succeed with 1.1 install @vbox i will be fully able to follow any guide for meego development etc, right? | 19:24 |
| iekku | i can't access that one also :o | 19:24 |
| qgil | lbt but if it's about some security stuff then I'm happy not seeing it :) | 19:24 |
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| lbt | just spam | 19:24 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: It would give you a target to try your apps on I guess | 19:24 |
| lbt | not sure why it's hidden | 19:25 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: hope so :D | 19:25 |
| lbt | heh ... because it's on the MeeGo IT component | 19:25 |
| qgil | lbt are you aware of this bug to track non-public bugs without a clear reason? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 | 19:26 |
| lbt | not specifically | 19:26 |
| lbt | but we were aware | 19:27 |
| lbt | This section is bugs (and tasks) relating to infrastructure deployment | 19:27 |
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| qgil | lbt: anyway, I think this is something you need to discuss with Stefano and Mike - who are in charge of the IT stuff | 19:27 |
| lbt | Yes - I'm on that team | 19:27 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: that bug was miscategories | 19:28 |
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| DawnFoster | ugh. can't type | 19:28 |
| lbt | we all want it to be integral to the community generally though | 19:28 |
| qgil | lbt I know, and that's why :) Agree on something and probably problem solved | 19:28 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: it was | 19:28 |
| DawnFoster | anyway, Mike is fixing it now | 19:28 |
| lbt | so just understanding our (meego IT) task list and working on prioritising and supporting us | 19:29 |
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| lbt | so the fact that you've asked Tero is cool - we should be 'reporting' to the CO or to irc meetings on a regular basis I think | 19:30 |
| lbt | so you know we're working on getting control of our DNS | 19:30 |
| lbt | that we have the LDAP up and working | 19:30 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: ok, that bug is open now | 19:30 |
| lbt | OK ... can I tell that bugs that I can see are closed? | 19:31 |
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| lbt | mmm who can add a Product to bugs.meego.com ? | 19:44 |
| lbt | we need pub.meego.com OBS on there | 19:44 |
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| andre__ | lbt: file a bug in bugs.meego.com against bugzilla | 19:46 |
| iekku | i think eric does it | 19:46 |
| andre__ | Eric can | 19:46 |
| lbt | thanks ... was just seeing that :) | 19:47 |
| lbt | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure&query_format=advanced&component=MeeGo%20bugzilla&product=bugs.meego.com | 19:47 |
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| rumohr | is there a MeeGo Roadmap? Something where i can see, when the first devices are planned, or when there is planned to have the first television on the market.. | 20:22 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: i downloaded meego 1.1 now i have to convert it with qemu right? | 20:29 |
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| rumohr | you want to install it on a netbook? | 20:30 |
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| abstract3d | no on vbox | 20:30 |
| abstract3d | @ rumohr: | 20:31 |
| rumohr | windows or linux system? | 20:31 |
| abstract3d | linux | 20:31 |
| rumohr | ah, ok. then i'm out ;) | 20:31 |
| abstract3d | :$ | 20:31 |
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| Jaffa | qgil: Most of the @mwkn stuff comes from DM from trusted contributors; however the script looks for @mwkn as well. Can't remember about hashtag. | 20:32 |
| niala | abstract3d: just launch like another linux no? | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | qgil: However, since process for @meegocom is (AIUI) manual; searches for @meegocom and #meegocom are pretty much similar. | 20:32 |
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| qgil | Jaffa: thanks | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | qgil: The advantage of the hashtag approach is that you'll drop the hashtag when tweeting it from meegocom; whereas @meegocom searches will include people doing old-school retweets. This may make it harder to find new contributions if popular news get retweeted lots. | 20:33 |
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| abstract3d | niala: well @ http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox#Installation it says "1. Download the MeeGo v1.0 for netbooks image and change its extension (simple rename) to ISO. " | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: you can just use the file like it is | 20:34 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: vbox will allow you to add an .img file as a CD image | 20:34 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: ah ok.. i was thinking that you told me before that it needs to convert it with qemu | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: I'm doing the same right now. some weird stuff happening though if I try to boot it like that. will keep you posted. | 20:35 |
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| niala | abstract3d: yes and ? you boot on it and install | 20:35 |
| niala | abstract3d: you must convert if you want chroot your image | 20:36 |
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| abstract3d | niala: ok thanks | 20:37 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: me 2 i am going to install it right now | 20:37 |
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| abstract3d | hm.. first failure "drm_i915" related | 20:38 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: yes, you can ignore that it seems. just make sure you have an >3GB virtual drive to install to | 20:43 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: i have created 1 x 10GB vdi | 20:44 |
| abstract3d | and till now all are going fine | 20:44 |
| rumohr | gnarf. meego is not made for dualboot? if i got windows on my netbook first and afterwards install meego, it doesn't add meego to OS-list, it says, it is the only one :/ | 20:44 |
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| dm8tbr | rumohr: hum? which boot manger are you talking about? | 20:46 |
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| rumohr | i had only windows installed and installed meego from usb... now i don't have the possibility to boot windows | 20:46 |
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| rumohr | i think it is the standard-meego-bootmanager, don't know which one meego uses | 20:47 |
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| merlin_1991 | maybe you have to add the chainload entry for the win bootmanager? (I'm not a meego user though) | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | HATINK! | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | ok, who wrote the meego netbook installer? eh? eh? | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | 3000MB is apparently not 3000MB... | 20:49 |
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| dm8tbr | first mistake: I made an partition 2GB in size, ok. np. | 20:49 |
| dm8tbr | then I made one 3,01GB in size, well you know to make sure it's larger than the 3000MB required | 20:50 |
| dm8tbr | now this crappy installer tells me that an 3082MB partition is _SMALLER_ than 3000MB | 20:50 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: rofl | 20:52 |
| dm8tbr | I suspect an MiB MB mixup | 20:53 |
| dm8tbr | still, FFS | 20:53 |
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| auke | someone call me? | 20:55 |
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| abstract3d | when trying to boot from local disk, when i have .img loaded up to virtual box it can't boot | 20:58 |
| abstract3d | when i umount disk and reboot vbox all are fine | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | auke: no body called you | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | ever | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | but whilst you're here, do you know anything about msgrcv or internet sockets? | 20:59 |
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| abstract3d | lol | 20:59 |
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| abstract3d | and now i am waiting.. for what? :$ we'll see :D (after creating 1st user etc) | 21:03 |
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| CosmoHill | I have no idea what you're on about but I can smell pizza :D | 21:05 |
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| auke | CosmoHill: lol | 21:06 |
| auke | CosmoHill: enough to be extremely dangerous :D | 21:06 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 21:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I have two tutorials I'm stuck on >.< | 21:06 |
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| abstract3d | CosmoHill: please.. i have to eat from yesterday :$ | 21:07 |
| abstract3d | hm.. stucked @ this black screen?? | 21:08 |
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| CosmoHill | do you have an underscore flashing? | 21:10 |
| abstract3d | i shutted down vm. and boot it again. now i see this 'art screen | 21:11 |
| GAN900 | rumohr, no such roadmap exists. | 21:11 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ;) | 21:12 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size. | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | rumohr, given that that'd generally be considered privileged information by the manufacturers involved. ;) | 21:12 |
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| abstract3d | dm8tbr: it seems that i have that problem just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ; | 21:14 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size. | 21:14 |
| abstract3d | oops | 21:14 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=310 | 21:15 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: tl;dr no context | 21:16 |
| qgil | dneary: ping | 21:17 |
| dneary | qgil, Pong | 21:17 |
| dneary | But on my way home :} | 21:17 |
| qgil | hi dneary I was looking at your comment at http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Marketing/MeeGo_vs_Android&diff=0&oldid=20719 | 21:17 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: i am having that now http://oi54.tinypic.com/1zlrqxu.jpg | 21:17 |
| abstract3d | wtf :$ | 21:17 |
| qgil | I wonder though how that wiki page can be heavily influenced by your article when (if I recall correctly) the wiki page came first :) | 21:18 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: boot without quiet | 21:18 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: hm.. quiet? :$ | 21:18 |
| dneary | qgil, I started working on the page, and then had to switch | 21:18 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: press TAB during boot to edit the kernel cmdline | 21:18 |
| abstract3d | aha | 21:18 |
| dneary | qgil, So that can be taken to be a comment at the top of a future version of the page, heavily influenced by the article :) | 21:18 |
| qgil | dneary: but most of the beef you can read there is mine | 21:19 |
| dneary | qgil, I didn't use that page as a source | 21:19 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: and vga=vesa? | 21:19 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: you could try that but most important remove quiet! | 21:19 |
| abstract3d | ok :D | 21:19 |
| dneary | qgil, I added the link only as a reference... I didn't mean to take credit for your work. Will reword now | 21:19 |
| qgil | dneary: not that I'm claiming anything - I'm just saying that the text I wrote before your article can't be influenced by your article, for an obvious reason :) | 21:19 |
| dneary | qgil, Just trying to be a good task owner & move it forward inch by inch :) | 21:20 |
| qgil | dneary: it's good to have the link to your article | 21:20 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: and now i can see a blank screen but i can write whatever i want | 21:21 |
| abstract3d | :P | 21:21 |
| dneary | qgil, Reworded. I apologise - as it was, it gave a false impression. | 21:21 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: press alt-f1 | 21:21 |
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| dm8tbr | anyway, gtg, bbl | 21:21 |
| qgil | dneary: clear now, thanks! | 21:22 |
| abstract3d | dm8tbr: yy i did and i logged into | 21:22 |
| abstract3d | bb and thanks for all your help :) | 21:22 |
| rumohr | GAN900: thx. | 21:26 |
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| abstract3d | i have a meego-power-ico proccess that its repeating | 21:31 |
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| abstract3d | i cannt boot meego 1.1 netbook inside a vbox | 21:40 |
| abstract3d | i have meego-power-ico problem allways | 21:40 |
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| abstract3d | any idea? | 21:41 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: I wasn't able to boot it either, but I was also getting complaints about ia32 support I think | 21:46 |
| magius_pendragon | or just a black screen | 21:46 |
| magius_pendragon | I tried a few things, can't remember what | 21:46 |
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| abstract3d | why noone can't remember what :P | 21:47 |
| abstract3d | please next time write it down so we can use those info :P | 21:47 |
| magius_pendragon | haha I never got it working, I just started with meego a week ago (went out and bought a netbook) | 21:47 |
| magius_pendragon | but I feel your pain | 21:48 |
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| abstract3d | :$ | 21:48 |
| magius_pendragon | my intended use requires more poking, but I'm not sure where to start :/ | 21:49 |
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| abstract3d | are you fucking kiding me ? :P | 21:52 |
| abstract3d | thats DWM? | 21:52 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: what? | 21:52 |
| abstract3d | ah now its TWM | 21:52 |
| abstract3d | i did startx | 21:52 |
| abstract3d | and now i am @TWM | 21:52 |
| magius_pendragon | ah | 21:53 |
| abstract3d | where is meego GUI? :$ | 21:53 |
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| abstract3d | what do i have to do? | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | auke: would you mind helping me and my friend with msgrcv? | 21:55 |
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| magius_pendragon | no idea :/ | 21:55 |
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| auke | abstract3d: if your VM doesn't support GL, you're screwed | 21:57 |
| abstract3d | auke: i am using vbox | 21:58 |
| auke | does it support GL? | 21:58 |
| abstract3d | brb i have to move my seat :/ | 21:58 |
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| babsher_ | so there are plans for a tv version of meego? | 22:00 |
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| babsher_ | has anyone seen google tv | 22:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | babsher_: err | 22:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | babsher_: like http://meego.com/devices/connected-tv ? | 22:08 |
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| abstract3d | auke: i am trying to go with 1.1 netbook into vbox | 22:14 |
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| lbt | auke: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10910 | 22:17 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: does your proc support vmx? | 22:20 |
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| abstract3d | i have intel c2d t9400 2.53 i suppose that yes | 22:20 |
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| magius_pendragon | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep --color vmx, not all modorn cpus support it | 22:21 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: y its been supported | 22:22 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: Might only be the mobile ones, but I know for e.g. my netbook doesn't | 22:22 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: the problem is that i am seeing only TWM | 22:26 |
| merlin_1991 | hm what are the chances of running meego on the acer revo 3600? I'm getting one as htpc and might leave some space on it's hdd for playing with meego | 22:26 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: if they're worried about 3d support, I think it's basically either virtualization extensions or your driver | 22:27 |
| magius_pendragon | so I'm trying to eliminate one | 22:27 |
| abstract3d | well i didnt do the part with gl @guide because someone posted that he solve his problem with passing over this step | 22:27 |
| abstract3d | but i think that i have to do that also | 22:27 |
| magius_pendragon | I would try it | 22:27 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: hm.. @guide it has a step "enable PAE" | 22:29 |
| abstract3d | what is that? | 22:29 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: I'm not at the right computer, but I think that's one of the optinos in the virutal box menu, under System? | 22:30 |
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| abstract3d | y | 22:35 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: y | 22:35 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: couldn't tell ya | 22:35 |
| abstract3d | i am trying to do scp user@host:~/Downloads/libglx.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions but it cannot find hostname | 22:35 |
| magius_pendragon | you're doing that from inside the vm? | 22:37 |
| abstract3d | y | 22:37 |
| magius_pendragon | is that a yes or a why? | 22:37 |
| magius_pendragon | lol | 22:37 |
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| abstract3d | yes* | 22:38 |
| magius_pendragon | do you have networking working in the vm? | 22:38 |
| abstract3d | yy | 22:39 |
| abstract3d | yes* | 22:39 |
| magius_pendragon | and user@host is your desktop, the one that's running the vm? | 22:39 |
| magius_pendragon | try the ip if hte hostname doesn't work | 22:39 |
| abstract3d | hm yes nice idea :P | 22:40 |
| abstract3d | wtf | 22:41 |
| abstract3d | why not aint it there any wget for meego? | 22:41 |
| magius_pendragon | zypper install wget | 22:41 |
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| magius_pendragon | erm as root | 22:42 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: is it better to have emulated netbook install into VBox or having MeeGo_SDK inside opensuse etc? | 22:47 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: sounds like the Vm is the "easier" route, unless you're working on UI stuff. | 22:48 |
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| dm8tbr | abstract3d: you're on linux anyway, aren't you? I think qemu might be easier / better documented | 22:49 |
| dm8tbr | no 3d accel there though IIRC | 22:49 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: if no 3d accel, then cdan't use the vm | 22:49 |
| magius_pendragon | doesn't boot into the UI | 22:49 |
| dm8tbr | magius_pendragon: there are qemu images. I've used one | 22:50 |
| magius_pendragon | I stand corrected | 22:50 |
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| dm8tbr | regular netbook image seems to swear and curse though :/ | 22:50 |
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| abstract3d | omg :P | 22:51 |
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| abstract3d | i want to build GUI apps :P | 22:52 |
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| magius_pendragon | poor abstract3d, everyone's giving him bad/wrong info | 22:52 |
| abstract3d | so i am messed up with vm without any special reason for me :$ | 22:52 |
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| abstract3d | hm :/ i did and libglx thing but nothing happened | 22:52 |
| abstract3d | still TWM -.- | 22:52 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: if it makes you feel better, i haven't gotten anything on my question(s) :p | 22:54 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: just ditch it then for now and focus on getting your dev environment going | 22:54 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: that's what he's been trying ot do all day | 22:54 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: focusing on getting dev environment going | 22:54 |
| dm8tbr | I'd have expected the test target VM to come last :) | 22:54 |
| dm8tbr | I'll try to dig out the qemu image | 22:55 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: it might have. Started with wondering about switching distributions to get qt designer, and then people suggested vm instead | 22:55 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: or at least that's where I started listening | 22:55 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: sound right? | 22:55 |
| abstract3d | well, i can have qt-creator @gentoo but not meego_sdk | 22:56 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: then why not just check the git repos? | 22:56 |
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| abstract3d | so a nice solution is to build dev env inside vm and write the ocde @gentoo_host | 22:57 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: you can always go one more level removed (run sdk inside fedora inside gentoo (chroot | vm)) | 22:57 |
| abstract3d | crap | 22:57 |
| magius_pendragon | I'm not suggesting it | 22:57 |
| abstract3d | the only thing needed to move on from TWM | 22:57 |
| magius_pendragon | that was more out of jest | 22:57 |
| abstract3d | /usr/sbin/firstboot | 22:58 |
| magius_pendragon | haha | 22:58 |
| magius_pendragon | well you found it | 22:58 |
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| magius_pendragon | glad to know that works, I'm gonna have to figure it out | 22:58 |
| magius_pendragon | eventually | 22:58 |
| abstract3d | but its kinda ungly | 22:58 |
| abstract3d | its like a window inside TWM | 22:58 |
| magius_pendragon | yeah probably | 22:58 |
| magius_pendragon | why not drop out of x and try it from the terminal? | 22:58 |
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| abstract3d | its an idea i will try that too | 22:59 |
| abstract3d | omg.. i have allready done with firstboot why am i doing that again? :$ | 23:00 |
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| magius_pendragon | because that's wwhat the command does? | 23:00 |
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| abstract3d | 4 sure | 23:01 |
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| abstract3d | FINALLY | 23:03 |
| abstract3d | because startx its a crap | 23:03 |
| abstract3d | /usr/sbin/uxlauncher is the way to go | 23:03 |
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| magius_pendragon | huh | 23:07 |
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| magius_pendragon | good to know | 23:07 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: so you've blogged about this whole thing right? ;) | 23:08 |
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| rumohr | what is MADDE good for? | 23:09 |
| rumohr | a core emulator? | 23:09 |
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| rumohr | got it.. | 23:10 |
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| abstract3d | magius_pendragon: well i dont know whats the big problem :$ | 23:11 |
| abstract3d | the biggest problem is that that there is not any real big problem with 1.1 :$ | 23:11 |
| abstract3d | just the startx thing | 23:11 |
| abstract3d | and there is no need for .img -> .iso | 23:11 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: yeah, but you were complaining that nobody had written it down, so write it! | 23:11 |
| abstract3d | i will write a post after if i am allive :p | 23:11 |
| abstract3d | ok ok :D | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | abstract3d: did you get the release image working? | 23:12 |
| abstract3d | yeap | 23:12 |
| abstract3d | i just want one more thing to do | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | nice job | 23:12 |
| abstract3d | startx to use /usr/sbin/uxlaunch | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | umm wasn't that stuff started via inittab? | 23:12 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: ~/.xinitrc? | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | i tried | 23:13 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: it didn't launch into x for some reason | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | nevermind | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | u can do /usr/sbin/uxlaunch | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | and no startx :p | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | but thats a kinda lame | 23:13 |
| abstract3d | because it doesnt get up whole X server with the right way | 23:13 |
| dm8tbr | magius_pendragon: yeah, well it's too much geared at some atom netbook with intel gfx... | 23:14 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: indeed | 23:14 |
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| auke | .xinitrc is not supported on meego | 23:17 |
| auke | period (my decision) | 23:17 |
| magius_pendragon | oh | 23:18 |
| magius_pendragon | well | 23:18 |
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| magius_pendragon | sorry | 23:20 |
| abstract3d | i think that i got it | 23:21 |
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| magius_pendragon | is there a way to suspend without the hotkey/lid? | 23:28 |
| magius_pendragon | there should be, just can't remember what it is | 23:29 |
| abstract3d | oh my god i gotta find a way to change that startx thing -.- | 23:30 |
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| auke | echo mem > ... ? | 23:31 |
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| magius_pendragon | sounds familiar, what's the file? somewher ein /proc right? | 23:31 |
| auke | /sys/power/state | 23:34 |
| magius_pendragon | ah thanks | 23:34 |
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| abustany | hello there. I was wondering if there's a way to check the closed package requests for a given project | 23:40 |
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| abustany | or "my closed requests" for that matter | 23:42 |
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| abustany | (in the build service) | 23:42 |
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| abstract3d | wtf | 23:48 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: ? | 23:48 |
| abstract3d | the only thing that i am stucked | 23:48 |
| abstract3d | is to make startx launch UX | 23:49 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: lucky you, I'm stuck in a lot of things :p | 23:49 |
| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: xinitrc is apparently not supported | 23:49 |
| abstract3d | i will right a blog post after that | 23:49 |
| abstract3d | yeah but there are many other files | 23:49 |
| lolloo | does U-boot work with other meego releases found the repoes? | 23:49 |
| abstract3d | BUT NONE OF THEM IS SUPPORTED! | 23:49 |
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| abstract3d | i am trying to find the solution from /etc/X11 | 23:50 |
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| abstract3d | i ll smack that :D | 23:54 |
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| abstract3d | twm is failsafe mode | 23:58 |
| abstract3d | and for some reason | 23:58 |
| abstract3d | the only check that it does is for kde, gnome, moblin & xfce desktop | 23:58 |
| abstract3d | and failsafe is TWM | 23:58 |
| abstract3d | if i understand it good | 23:58 |
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| magius_pendragon | abstract3d: this sounds like a pain | 23:59 |
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| abstract3d | it is | 23:59 |
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