IRC log of #meego for Sunday, 2010-12-05

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CosmoHillno00:27
kyb3R:)00:28
kyb3Rthanks for the invitation though00:28
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txithihausenkkkk it was just my mistake! :) i will put /_join #meego and I forgot the slash :)00:30
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kyb3R:)00:32
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nialait's quiet01:31
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thebootroo_yes it is01:32
CosmoHillboobies01:32
thebootroo_that's very funny, we are often the only geeks alive at these hours of the night01:32
matrixxat least in Finland, most of the people are either sleeping or having a party at saturdays01:33
matrixxat this time01:33
ptlor sleeping at a party01:35
ptl*in01:36
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nialahelo thebootroo_01:36
thebootroo_niala: good evening / night01:36
nialamatrixx: yes a party01:37
nialaCosmoHill: yes sleeping01:37
nialasometines i sleep at party01:37
CosmoHillhuh, that's not what I said01:37
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halvorsWhen will the first handset with Meego be released?01:37
CosmoHillhalvors: we don't know01:37
nialanext year01:37
CosmoHilloh wait, yes niala is right01:38
halvorsok01:38
ptlwhich month?01:38
lcuklong weekend for Finns this week as I understand01:38
nialamaybe next year in december01:38
halvorsNothing in december?01:38
ptldecember??? oh, come on01:38
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ptlthe N9 will be out in january or february, isn't it?01:38
nialanop halvors i don't think so...01:38
halvorsNext year in december?01:39
nialaptl: sorry orry i don't know01:39
nialait was a joke don't believe me01:39
lcukcollaborative irc games would be awesome :)01:39
lcukmeego the MMORG01:39
lcukRPG even01:39
halvorsWhat you gays think it the best Meego phone i can buy when it is released?01:39
piratephloxConsumer Electronics in Las Vegas or MWC is probably the date we know it ;)01:39
nialalcuk: collaborative irc game?01:40
nialahalvors: with no product yet it's difficult to know but n900 it's a good start..01:41
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nialaoh he s angry he have left01:42
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matrixx:(01:42
CosmoHilloh well01:43
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CosmoHillit's the vendors who annoce when meego will be in they're phone01:43
nialamaybe never....01:44
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* thebootroo_ spreads niala with a plastic little spoon01:47
Jay_BEE[15:38]<niala>maybe next year in december  <--- hehe01:47
nialathebootroo_: spreads is not in google.translate01:48
nialahéhé01:48
nialaJay_BEE: waouh 15h38 the earth is big01:48
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thebootroo_niala: i don't know i don't use Google translator01:49
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thebootroo_niala: [FR] spreads = troisième personne du singulier sur le verbe to spread : disperser voire (dans mon cas) désintégrer01:50
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nialaohh thank you for the lesson :)01:50
Jay_BEE[15:38]<ptl>the N9 will be out in january or february, isn't it?  <--- Nokia announced the N9?!?01:50
* Jay_BEE goes to Nokia's website to find the press release01:50
thebootroo_niala: ur welcum01:50
CosmoHillI hate it when people shorted the word "come"01:52
nialathebootroo_: cum cum cum yourself!! :)01:52
Jay_BEElol... typing n9 at nokiausa.com search box autocorrects to n90001:52
* CosmoHill wonders if niala knows what that word means01:52
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nialamaybe n900 is the best phone for 5 years again01:53
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nialaCosmoHill: hey thebootroo_ has start. it's not me sir  :)01:54
piratephloxhm, anybody thought about flashing the n8 with meego?01:54
CosmoHillyou can't01:54
CosmoHillimages have to be signed by nokia before you can flash the n801:54
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piratephloxurgs01:55
CosmoHillthe boot loader won't let unsigned images be installed / booted01:55
Jay_BEEas expected, "0 search results for n9"01:58
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nialan9 battleship01:59
nialaCosmoHill: you re still in irc stats ?02:01
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CosmoHillprobably02:01
CosmoHilleither that or I need to go on a killing spree02:01
nialaand finish in Sun first page02:02
CosmoHillthat's not a real news paper02:03
nialai dont know I only know it have a special central page02:04
CosmoHillniala: search "russel howard newspapers"02:04
nialaCosmoHill: i understand nothing. he speak like a train. but i like his shoes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyOfUFEjuBA02:08
nialacreate a .spec from null is very  boring02:09
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CosmoHillI have a template if you'd like02:10
Termanagood morning02:10
nialagood night Termana02:11
nialaCosmoHill: yes i like02:11
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CosmoHillhttp://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/template.spec02:12
nialathank you CosmoHill.02:16
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CosmoHillyou're welcome02:16
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CosmoHillniala: may I ask, what do you do for a living?02:22
nialanetwork administrator/technician/etc  but actually unemployed since 6month02:27
nialaCosmoHill:02:27
CosmoHillaww02:27
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nialayes welcome crisis02:28
CosmoHillright, I'm gonna roll over and sleep02:28
CosmoHillcyas02:28
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rpanwalawhen do we see first meego device07:19
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TermanaThankfully he left before I had to answer him07:22
thepliclol07:22
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HaroHi all , I would like to create a account for Meego OBS .. May i know procedure for that ???08:11
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HaroHi all , I would like to create a account for Meego OBS .. May i know procedure for that ???08:12
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berndhsmake an account on meego.com, and then ask lbt when he's awake08:15
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Haroberndhs : thank you08:15
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theplicwhats OBS?09:22
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Tilican I not boot into meego using uboot?10:17
Tilii got uboot working already on n90010:17
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Stskeepsyou can boot the images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php10:19
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Tilithanks10:23
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Stskeepslo Meizirkki, how goes?11:15
MeizirkkiHey Stskeeps11:15
Meizirkkiall well thanks11:15
MeizirkkiHow are you?11:16
Stskeepsi'm good, having a relaxing sunday :)11:17
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Meizirkkihuh, it's been long since I was around here the last time...11:18
Meizirkki:)11:18
Termanamorning Stskeeps and Meizirkki11:20
Meizirkkigood morning Termana11:20
andre__morn morn!11:20
Termanamorning andre__11:21
Stskeepswatching meego base packages build without cross compilation is about as much fun as watching wallpaper dry11:29
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notabugshello, Can I download via torrent meego?11:30
notabugsversion 1.111:31
Stskeepsno, but mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ might be faster for you11:31
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notabugsthanks11:34
MeizirkkiHmm, out of curiosity: Has someone looked at running Meego on ZTE Blade yet?11:36
MeizirkkiIt's very cheap phone.. too slow maybe?11:36
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Stskeepsis it hackable?11:37
MeizirkkiI heard it is11:37
MeizirkkiThere are a bunch of custom android roms out there, but I can't find anything non-android11:38
Meizirkki*is11:38
MeizirkkiSeems to be the same CPU the HTC legend has11:41
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JaffaMorning, all12:57
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Stskeepsmorn jaffa12:58
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sivangmorning13:06
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* CosmoHill stretches and waves13:06
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sivanghey ColKilkenny13:06
sivangops :)13:07
sivangCosmoHill, et al13:07
Stskeepsmorn sivang13:07
sivanganybody know of a good web collaboration suite ? like having a good docs sharing and sahred working, web mail , calendar, sync, etc?13:07
sivanghey Stskeeps , how's it going?13:07
Stskeepsit's going fine - sunny day here13:08
sivangStskeeps: that's nice, although I wish we had some rain to take off this dreadful fire13:08
sivangwell, we need a lot of rain, not jus tsome13:08
sivang*some13:08
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nialahello13:55
CosmoHillpolp13:56
CosmoHillplop*13:56
nialahello CosmoHill13:57
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thpwhere do i report a segfault in QtMobility on MeeGo Netbook? bugs.meego.com or the Qt bugtracker or somewhere else?14:53
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thpnm, filed as http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088615:30
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thiago_homewe're almost at the Dune years15:32
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Stskeepsthp: cool @ qml hildon widgets15:45
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lcukthp if the bug occurs on meego, report it on bmc16:10
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lcukthp, is this related to what we discussed the other day  and did you try running it as root (because of the strange wanrings on your console output)16:25
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thpStskeeps: it's much faster than "real" hildon widgets.. which is a shame (for hildon) :p16:29
thplcuk: also segfaults when running with "sudo"16:30
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thpStskeeps: and as this only requires the theme images, this would run on any qml-capable platform as well16:31
Stskeepsthp: wonder if it'd be useful as a backend to qt components16:34
Stskeepsto have those have a 'native' view on m516:34
Stskeepsi wonder if this in some way could be useful for bringing hildon apps to meego16:35
lcukStskeeps, no.16:36
thpi guess it's more useful for newly-written apps16:37
Stskeeps:nod:16:37
lcukbut you are right about native look on m516:37
lcukthp, if someone were to start building qml apps using these16:37
lcukwill things get complex if they wanted to change the look/feel to switch between style/ux feeling16:38
lcukor is this just a bit of fun proof of concept16:39
Stskeepsor the fact hildon is possible to remake in 200 lines of qml16:42
Stskeeps:P16:42
Stskeeps(basis)16:42
thpi've just done basic components (buttons, etc..) - these are pretty straightforward16:43
thpcombo boxes, etc.. are most likely more complex16:43
thpbut then, the example includes parts of the window manager as well - dialogs, ...16:44
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thphttp://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5234681136/16:48
thpwhat license does the hildon "alpha" theme have, btw? any chance to get it opened up?16:48
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Stskeepsclosed, i think16:49
Stskeepsuse any themes in extras that's based off hildon-theme-layout-5 instead, those are cc sa i think16:49
lolloohey thp, this way better16:49
lolloohttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg16:50
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lollooby the what phone is that?16:50
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thpStskeeps: yep, one could use e.g. marina on non-maemo platforms and the currently selected theme on maemo16:53
lolloothp, awesome16:53
Jaffathp: That's very cool.16:54
lolloothp, is it maemo?16:54
thplolloo: symbian^3. on the photo it's running qmlviewer from qt 4.7 in fullscreen mode with the hildon-qml example loaded16:55
lolloowow16:55
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lollooQt rulezzzz16:55
lcukStskeeps, if the qml can actually run hildon apps then its good, until then its an impressive mockup (great example of flexibility of qml)16:57
thpit's not meant to make existing hildon apps runnable on qml16:59
thpit's more like "when somebody wants to create a new app for their n900, they could use this, and it will work on all qml platforms, but still look "at home" on n90016:59
npmthp -- is that the new gpodder using QML -- got source? [[ need to look/learn/copy from some significant application coding in QML for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com ]]17:00
thp(the idea came when i was wondering whether or not qt quick components would provide a maemo 5 look and feel)17:00
thpnpm: no, it's not the new gpodder qml ui. it's just a demo/mockup/example17:00
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lcukthp, sure thing, what happens if the ui expects different interactions, for instance its not just the theme but the whole feel of the ui to fit in with platform17:01
npmwhat happens when you run the mockup/example on meego instead of maemo?17:01
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thpnpm: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg17:06
thplcuk: what do you mean with "different interactions"?17:06
lcukthp dialogs and stuff look/feel differently on different systems and even just differences between landscape/portrait17:07
thplcuk: it's just one canvas, so i don't really care.17:07
lollooawesome17:07
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thplcuk: even on MTF, dialogs are not "real" dialogs anymore - just some visual things inside a single QGraphicsView17:08
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thpnpm: "real" gpodder qml is not here yet. will look much different from the maemo 5 ui probably.17:11
thpnpm: a very early demo with overused effects, but the real python backend: http://youtu.be/JuA0qRRpwHI17:11
npmthp: neat... looking forward to being able to use it17:12
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sivangthp: you created hildon qml theme?17:38
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Stskeepshow's QML like anyway with focus and so on (use cursor keys to move to elements)17:52
Stskeeps?17:52
thpsivang: i didn't create the theme. just some qml components (gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo)17:53
thpStskeeps: there's focus support, but it has to be enabled manually i think17:54
Stskeepsi'm thinking that'd be useful for let's say meego tv or dumbphones :P17:54
Stskeeps(cursor movement, etc)17:54
thpStskeeps: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdeclarativefocus.html17:55
thpStskeeps: afaik dumbphones (at least from nokia) are probably going to have a touchscreen, anyway17:55
Stskeeps:nod:17:55
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thpfor meego tv.. something like the wiimote maybe? ;)17:55
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Stskeepsthat's my plan17:56
Stskeeps:P17:56
Stskeepsat least for my home project17:56
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thpStskeeps: you just need a wiimote + bt + a "wireless sensor bar" (aka a piece of plastic, powered by batteries, with 2 ir leds on each side)17:57
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Stskeepsthp: yeah, i thought a wireless sensor bar17:57
Stskeepsthp: just didnt have time to find a seperate wiimote yet17:57
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Stskeepser, bought17:58
Stskeepsman, my spelling engine is broken tonight :)17:58
sivangthp: nice, you're adding it to qt-components?17:59
Stskeepsthp: any good guides for pyside + qml yet?18:00
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thpStskeeps: lots!18:04
thpas in "9"18:04
Stskeepshmm, i must not be looking enough then18:04
thpStskeeps: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySideDocumentation18:04
thp"Application Component Tutorials"18:05
Stskeepsah18:05
thpi've written them throughout the week to check out what works and what does not18:05
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Alison_ChaikenBTW, some discussion about Python support from MeeGo at http://tinyurl.com/37d4rq3  I hope that we can get the Community folks to support outreach to pythonistas, although I'm a bit busier figuring out why my Pandaboard doesn't recognize its display or create an eth0 device.18:05
thpStskeeps: the qtmobility one is pretty nifty: http://youtu.be/DpVpSZSOcGM18:05
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thpAlison_Chaiken: i'll be giving a talk about pyside + qml at the pyugat meeting next sunday, let's see if there is some feedback then18:07
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lcukthp, that pyside one looks similar to the beyond portrait vid :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q&NR=118:10
Alison_Chaikenthp, we have a giant and active Python community here in SF.   It's a big opportunity to get MeeGo talking to Python at May's meeting, but I haven't figured out how to make it happen.18:10
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dnlteacool vid ;-)18:12
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berndhsAlison_Chaiken: free beer, they wil start talking18:34
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rumohrhey there... one quetstion.. the hardware minimum to match me meego compliance is only given for Netbooks (1024x600-screen, keyboard, etc).. is there one for smartphones?18:51
Alison_Chaikenberndhs, too early for beer here, I'm having coffee and cereal.18:53
berndhsyeah :)18:53
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berndhsi mean of course, if they are local, consider starting in a social setting18:53
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rumohraren't there hardware requirements for meego-compliance for smartphones?19:00
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berndhsrumohr: there will be, the compliance spec isn't finalized19:03
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rumohrah, okay. thx...19:06
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lcukAlison_Chaiken, since when is beer and cereal mutually incompatible?19:15
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thplcuk: yes, like http://youtu.be/-hjh8Or9b2s19:24
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* lcuk nods indeedy19:26
ali1234it's so laggy19:26
ali1234what's the point of it?19:26
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npmthp: attempting to get your hildon-qml/demo -- "fatal: http://gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?"19:32
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npmnever mind operator error19:33
npmdealing w/ too many rev control systems19:33
thpgit clone http://git.gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo.git :)19:34
thpnpm: you also need to run it in a n900, as the artwork isn't included in the demo, but referenced from the system19:34
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thp(or copy the data and/or change the paths in hildon/hildon.js)19:34
npmn900 maemo or meego?19:34
thpmaemo19:35
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npmcan it run on meego too?19:36
thpnpm: yes, copy /etc/hildon/theme/images/ and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ from a live maemo 5 system into meego19:37
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berndhsshould there be a more prominent link to this page http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP ?19:46
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lcukberndhs, sure19:54
lcuki just updated the ITP page with the forum thread link also for package requests19:55
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Alison_Chaikenlcuk, what kind of cereal goes with beer?   I prefer hoppy beers, but have only ever had Miller Genuine Draft for breakfast, while water-skiing.   I suppose a sweeter beer (a porter?) is okay.    Meanwhile, framebuffer and network problems of meego on panda remained unsolved, although panda.ks is under careful scrutiny.20:39
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lcukAlison_Chaiken, it doesnt matter what beer as long as the cereal floats and you can eat it with a spoon its a win20:55
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Alison_Chaikenlcuk, I did see several aMeegos coming into the hotel as I left for the airport on the morning after the conference at 3:30 AM.   They must have been outing having breakfast.20:57
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berndhsAlison_Chaiken: they were already on their work schedule for their home timezone, no doubt21:06
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: feel free to ask about panda/meego problems in #meego-arm as well :)21:15
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lcukRevdKathy, i actually like the more friendly messages21:18
RevdKathyReally? It faintly creeped me out to hear the computer refer to itself as 'I'21:18
RevdKathyI like friendly messages but does it really have a sense of self?21:19
w00tI'm sorry Kathy, I'm afraid I can't do that21:19
lcukwell make a poll and suggest alternatives for that case21:19
brikhaha, I thought it was amusing "I'm running out of battery, I'll be shutting down soon!"21:20
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lcuk"scanning for nearby electrical outlets"21:20
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lcuk"identified active biomass, preparing interface"21:20
w00tlcuk: let's hope they don't realise they can use humans as an energy source21:20
w00t(matrix here we come)21:20
lcukw00t, its actually an area of tech that would be really practically useful for pacemakers etc21:21
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w00tsure21:21
w00tuntil they switch off if they don't like you and burst out of your chest and into someone else21:22
w00t:p21:22
lcuko_O :D21:22
RevdKathyWhen it reaches the stage or Orac or Data, it can talk to me. ;)21:22
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lcukRevdKathy, o_O orac sounds as miserable as marvin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoHkaFDTiD821:24
RevdKathyOrac wasn't so much miserable as irascible. And Data was lovely. ;)21:25
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lcukholly was better21:26
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Jay_BEEhowdy21:26
RevdKathyPoint of view, that one, lcuk21:27
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lcukdid linux get ported to positronix matrix?21:28
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RevdKathyDunno... Data was known to occasionally require a reboot.21:29
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berndhsis anyone using telepathy-qt4 ?21:47
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thpRevdKathy: the low battery message is a good example of bad ui strings / wording =)21:50
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RevdKathylcuk likes it, apparently. I'm all for informal messages, but was uneasy about the computer refering to itself in the first person21:51
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thpother examples were given in sivang and timeless' talk, although i can't find the link right now21:51
timeless_mbpconference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond21:51
thp..that was fast :)21:51
timeless_mbpurlbars are my friend21:51
ali1234my files/your files was another example21:51
timeless_mbpbut yeah the low battery warning in meego is supposedly impressive21:52
timeless_mbpi haven't seen it yet21:52
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RevdKathyIt makes me think of Noel Coward.. I say Old chap, I've noticed your battery is running a tad low21:53
thp"Your pages" / "Me and my computer" (slides, pg. 34/35)21:53
Cotueurhello21:53
ali1234i saw a whole manual written in the first person the other day "first i will plug in the computer..." etc21:53
RevdKathyI don't mind it addressing me as 'you'. But I never met one that referred to itself as 'i' before.21:54
timeless_mbpali1234: AYIE21:54
timeless_mbpRevdKathy: i really object to conversations logs using 'you' instead of 'me'21:54
CotueurCan I found some support for meego here ? (Sorry for my bad english ^^)21:54
timeless_mbpCotueur: s/found/find/21:54
Cotueuroups... I wrote a little too fast :)21:55
timeless_mbpCotueur: it's ok21:56
timeless_mbpyou indicated your English isn't perfect21:56
timeless_mbpi wasn't correcting as a complaint, merely a helping hand21:56
Cotueurok, thank. But it's the good place for some help ?21:58
CotueurOr it's just a chan for general purpose ?21:58
RevdKathyDepends what you're looking for :)21:58
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StskeepsCotueur: just ask :)21:59
CotueurI have a little bug when I try to update Meego with the application21:59
thpCotueur: which meego (netbook i presume?)? which application?22:00
CotueurI try to traduct the message22:00
Cotueuryes Meego on MSI Wind22:00
CotueurThe message talk about a problem with a security "signature"22:02
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CotueurSo, then the update of list of software never finish22:03
CotueurAnd I can't do any action on update soft22:03
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timeless_mbpCotueur: are you using wifi?22:08
CotueurYes22:08
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timeless_mbpif you visit https://secure.google.com what happens?22:09
timeless_mbphrm, not secure22:09
timeless_mbphttps://encrypted.google.com/22:09
timeless_mbpsorry :)22:10
CotueurI can visit this page22:11
timeless_mbphrm, ok22:11
timeless_mbpwhat version of meego netbook are you using?22:11
Cotueurgood question...22:11
Cotueurthe latest :)22:11
Cotueur1.122:13
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CotueurHow can I see the number version ?22:15
timeless_mbpdunno22:18
berndhsCotueur: cat /etc/meego-release22:18
Cotueurmeego release 1.122:20
CotueurBUILD: meego-netbook-ia32-1.122:21
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rumohr"MX Libraries" -> what does MX stand for? UX stands for "user experience", i suggest?22:30
rumohrit occurs in the wik article about MeeGo Architecture Layer View22:31
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lcukrumohr, MX is Moblin user eXperience22:33
lcukhttp://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2009/11/18/a-new-clutter-widget-toolkit/22:33
rumohrah, okay...22:34
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Cotueurerf22:35
CotueurRTFM for me22:35
CotueurI found this : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=36022:35
lbtharoun: pong22:36
timeless_mbpCotueur: glad you found it22:37
timeless_mbpthat sucks though22:37
timeless_mbpterrible ue, very sorry about it22:37
timeless_mbpit doesn't look like there's a useful intrastructure bug on file to avoid repeating that disaster22:37
lbtmmm infra bugs?22:38
timeless_mbplbt: so..22:38
timeless_mbpsomewhere between 1.1 original and today, it looks like the repo cert changed22:38
timeless_mbpafaict22:38
timeless_mbprepo certs shouldn't be allowed to change w/o a process for updating deployed users22:39
lbtmeego core ?22:39
timeless_mbphttp://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=256222:39
timeless_mbpi wonder if it's actually better to endoflife a server and replace it w/ a new dns name22:39
timeless_mbpand have the old server merely have one package which updates the cert and path22:39
lbtryan ware is the bod to ask22:40
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timeless_mbpdoes he appear on irc?22:40
lbtnot sure22:40
CosmoHillthere is a ryan on IRC but I don't know if he's your guy22:40
X-FadeCosmoHill: No, that is GeneralAntilles ;)22:41
Cotueuryes, instruction on the post works :)22:41
CosmoHillprobably22:41
X-FadeCosmoHill: Well, I have met both of them and they are not the same :)22:42
CosmoHillthat would be creepy if there were doubles, i mean they're from different parts of the world22:43
X-FadeCosmoHill: Not really. Both US based, which from our EU view is all the same.22:44
harounlbt: I sent you an email.. Did u have a chance to look at it ?22:44
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lbtharoun: yes - you're enabled22:44
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CosmoHillah fair enough22:44
harounlbt: thanks22:44
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npmis there an image/repo for n900 that includes QtMobility 1.1, which seems to be the first version that supports camera ... http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/issues/detail?id=1#c322:53
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npmor is there  an easy way to deliver a statically linked app containing qtmobility 1.1 onto a working n900/meego ?22:55
npmor... would installing qtmobility 1.1 over existing meego 1.1 handset image break anything?22:56
thiago_homeit might, but it shouldn't break22:56
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npmi guess i could install mobility and qt 4.7.1 in a separate dir and use QTDIR and QTLIB env-vars when running my app?22:57
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thiago_homenpm: LD_LIBRARY_PATH23:07
thiago_homeQTDIR means nothing at all23:07
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markinfoHallo. I have nokia n810. There is now os2008. But some programs are no more updated. I have found http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0    "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard"   it seems great because on desktop i user also XFE. But wenn it will be available?23:11
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markinfoStskeeps, hi, you know probably?23:13
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Stskeepsmarkinfo: currently there are no armv5 builds for meego so project stalled a bit23:16
markinfoStskeeps, will it be usable practically?  due to CPU and RAM power?  Runs it smooth enough?23:17
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ali1234considering that it doesn't run "smooth" on an n900 i wouldn't get my hopes up23:21
Stskeepsmarkinfo: wasnt half bad on xfce :P handset ux def not23:21
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markinfohm - I have installed XFCE on Celeron 366, 96MB RAM and 4GB HDD a few days ago and it was quite slow. But wenn was opened only one programm it was still usable.23:25
ali1234the ram in a celeron would be super slow23:26
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ali1234its not just about cpu speed23:26
thiago_homenow try running something with OpenGL hardware acceleration23:26
thiago_homesmooth 60fps animations23:26
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ali123460 fps on meego?23:26
thiago_homeyes23:27
ali1234cool23:28
ali1234it was never possible on maemo...23:28
markinfothe question is - will it be available sometime?   I do not know what to do with my nokia n810 - if to keep it or not.23:31
ali1234what is "it"?23:32
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thiago_homemeego for n810? not really planned...23:32
thiago_homethe server infrastructure is offline23:33
Stskeepsmarkinfo: only thing done is some hobbyists working on it but since meego.com doesnt build for the cpu arch in n8x0 its a bit hopeless23:33
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Stskeepsmarkinfo: a recompile is possible but if its worth it..23:34
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harounNeed help. how to setup a standalone OBS setup for Meego ??? Can someone point me a exact procedure or Url ?23:36
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markinfoStskeeps, is there some principal Problem that blocks it or is this a question of compilation only?23:38
markinfoi mean some problem with hardware.23:38
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Stskeepsmarkinfo: well, cant be meego compliant since we dont have glesv223:39
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thiago_homeI think there are drivers for OMAP223:40
thiago_homeit's an SGX anyway23:40
Stskeepsnop, MBX23:40
Stskeepsglesv123:40
thiago_homeah23:40
thiago_homeuseless then23:40
ali1234markinfo: the problem is that meego is optimized for hardware that doesn't currently exist, anything you can buy today is too old23:41
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markinfonokia n900 too?23:42
ali1234yes, it runs like a dog23:42
markinfohm - some dogs are running very fast - some very slow.23:42
Stskeepsali1234: thats not really cos of whatever its optimized for, more like not optimized :P23:42
ali1234it is23:43
thiago_homen900 is an OMAP3, it has GLESv223:43
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ali1234meego is optimized for end to end 3d acceleration23:43
Stskeepsali1234: new sgx drivers make a world of difference as well as the usual boosting tricks23:43
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markinfohm - i see Nokia n900 can be buyed for 190€ .... i payed in spring for n810 150€23:45
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Stskeepsanyhow, sleep time23:45
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ali1234i must say that i find the rotation effect on handset quite comical23:48
markinfowill it be easyier/possible to have XFCE on nokia n900?23:48
ali1234it rotates the display 90 degrees... but then it is the wrong aspect ratio to fit on the screen23:48
thiago_homemarkinfo: compile and run it23:48
ali1234and then it just jumps to the new version23:48
ali1234what is the point? just change it instantly23:49
thiago_homethe effect you see must not be the final version then23:51
ali1234what does the final version do?23:51
thiago_homecan't tell you23:53
ali1234heh23:53
ali1234"something really good, honest"23:53
ali1234i hope it does what symbian^3 does23:53
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