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| kaushik | Does anyone know about the local OBS setup? | 01:32 |
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| kaushik | I have a question on it | 01:33 |
| kaushik | I am following the guide on Wiki by Stskeeps | 01:35 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit | 01:48 |
| CosmoHill | I log out on my laptop and it killed my wifi connection | 01:48 |
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| Saviq | CosmoHill: and that's weird how? | 01:50 |
| CosmoHill | I figured that I could just turn my laptop on and it would connect to my wifi, then ssh into it | 01:51 |
| javispedro | CosmoHill: both the Windows wifi client and NetworkManager have the concept of "system-wide" networks that survive user sessions | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | so, which OS? :) | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | mine asks me about the wifi when I turn it on and log in | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | RHEL 6 Beta 1 | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | it's confused that my wifi is hidden | 01:52 |
| Saviq | CosmoHill: check 'available to all users' in network manager settings | 01:52 |
| javispedro | NetworkManager; use the gnome applet to launch settings dialog | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 01:52 |
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| alterego | How does someone go about logging into build.pub.meego.com ? | 02:11 |
| alterego | My meego.com user/pass don't seem to be working. | 02:11 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: tell lbt your username | 02:12 |
| alterego | CosmoHill: okay, thanks :) | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | and bring him cookies | 02:12 |
| niala | CosmoHill: lol | 02:12 |
| alterego | Heh | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not to sure why I just shut down my laptop remotely | 02:16 |
| kaushik | how to check that my local OBS is setup and working? | 02:16 |
| kaushik | anyone any idea? | 02:16 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: compile something | 02:16 |
| kaushik | I am fairly new to it .. I don't know how to do it | 02:16 |
| CosmoHill | neither do I | 02:17 |
| kaushik | oh k .. | 02:17 |
| kaushik | also my Web UI is not coming up for local OBS | 02:17 |
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| kaushik | though the IPs are the one that I wanted | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: is it in a virtual machine?\ | 02:18 |
| kaushik | yes | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | bridge or NAT? | 02:18 |
| kaushik | bridge | 02:18 |
| CosmoHill | can you ping it? | 02:18 |
| kaushik | yes | 02:18 |
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| CosmoHill | does the host in the VM have a firewall? | 02:18 |
| niala | iptables? | 02:18 |
| kaushik | I dnt think so .. everything is linux .. | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | firewalls annoyed me on my cluster, HPC software getting blocked by it's down firewall | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: linux has firewalls | 02:19 |
| niala | kaushik: for obs you must read about rpm and spec file | 02:20 |
| kaushik | oh k .. I didnt knew it ... how can i disable them? | 02:20 |
| kaushik | niala: yes I am gng to read about them when I go to building and compiling | 02:20 |
| niala | ipatbles -F | 02:20 |
| niala | CosmoHill: cluster on which OS ? | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | Rocks Clusters (CentOS) and Windows 2008 HPC | 02:21 |
| niala | with your phone ? :) | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | no wifi or internet on my phone | 02:22 |
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| kaushik | niala: Let me try .. | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | niala: you can help him | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | I'm going to bed | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:24 |
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| kaushik | niala: did u ever try setting local obs? | 02:25 |
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| niala | kaushik: nop I use rpmbuild | 02:38 |
| kaushik | ok | 02:39 |
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| kaushik | I tried disabling firwall | 02:39 |
| kaushik | it didnt help much | 02:39 |
| kaushik | The guide was written by Stskeeps | 02:40 |
| kaushik | and he seems to be busy all day | 02:40 |
| odin_ | what are you using as a base? openSuSE ? downloaded VM image ? | 02:40 |
| kaushik | VM image | 02:40 |
| odin_ | cite url of guide please | 02:40 |
| kaushik | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS&oldid=19979 | 02:41 |
| odin_ | so you can ping it, can you telnet (port 80 or 443) or wget to it ? | 02:41 |
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| kaushik | I haven't tried telnet | 02:41 |
| kaushik | I can ping the machine | 02:41 |
| odin_ | when you are logged into it, can you access the internet just fine (try ping www.google.com), working DNS/routing ? | 02:42 |
| kaushik | yes | 02:42 |
| kaushik | I can access internet | 02:42 |
| kaushik | I can ping to google | 02:42 |
| kaushik | and all other web | 02:42 |
| odin_ | ok and you did Step 6 ok ? and Step 7: Logging in on the web interface for the first time, is failing ? | 02:43 |
| kaushik | yes step 7 is failing | 02:43 |
| odin_ | what is the LAN IP ? you are doing like http://192.168.x.x/ from another host on lan? | 02:44 |
| kaushik | http://10.130.1.99/ | 02:44 |
| odin_ | the error is ? | 02:44 |
| kaushik | Oops! Firefox could not connect to 10.130.1.99 | 02:45 |
| odin_ | because ? | 02:45 |
| odin_ | try "telnet 10.130.1.99 80" | 02:45 |
| kaushik | no idea .. | 02:45 |
| kaushik | its Trying to telnet | 02:46 |
| kaushik | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out | 02:46 |
| odin_ | ok looks like firewall issue at one end | 02:46 |
| kaushik | how can i solve it? | 02:46 |
| odin_ | is it an openSuSE system, try /etc/init.d/SuSEfirewall2_setup stop | 02:47 |
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| kaushik | u talking abt the client systsem | 02:47 |
| kaushik | ? | 02:47 |
| odin_ | it is unlikely to be client system (could be, but unlikely), no the OBS server | 02:48 |
| odin_ | although I'd have expect a VM image to come pre-configured with appropriate rules | 02:48 |
| niala | iptables -L | 02:49 |
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| niala | iptables -F | 02:49 |
| niala | -L list fw rules | 02:49 |
| kaushik | odin_ : I am trying it | 02:49 |
| odin_ | well it could be "/usr/sbin/iptables -t nat -L -nv" | 02:49 |
| niala | -F erase all rules | 02:50 |
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| kaushik | odin_ : I tried that | 02:51 |
| kaushik | but not working | 02:51 |
| odin_ | tried which thing | 02:51 |
| kaushik | I tried stopping /etc/init.d/SuseFirewall | 02:52 |
| odin_ | ok but same "Connection timed out" ? | 02:52 |
| kaushik | yes | 02:52 |
| odin_ | ok on the OBS server itself, do the telnet from there | 02:52 |
| niala | on localhost you mean odin_ | 02:52 |
| odin_ | Ctrl-] and "quit" to break out | 02:52 |
| odin_ | no on the full IP address, but from a bash shell on the OBS server host | 02:53 |
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| kaushik | odin_ : its saying connection refused | 02:54 |
| odin_ | ok pastebin the output "netstat -tanp" and "ifconfig -a" please | 02:54 |
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| odin_ | does it work on "telnet localhost 80" ? | 02:55 |
| kaushik | telnet localhost failed | 02:55 |
| kaushik | connection refused | 02:55 |
| odin_ | pastebin please | 02:55 |
| kaushik | u want the pastebin from obsserver | 02:55 |
| kaushik | right | 02:55 |
| kaushik | ? | 02:56 |
| niala | right | 02:56 |
| niala | to see if server is launched | 02:56 |
| odin_ | have you ever rebooted VM, since first bootup ? | 02:57 |
| odin_ | I'd expected it to be ready to go from VM image | 02:57 |
| kaushik | yeah I am pasting it in a while ..yes i did reboot it 5 times | 02:57 |
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| kaushik | odin_ : sending pastebin as file | 03:00 |
| kaushik | and niala: sending pastebin as file | 03:00 |
| niala | paste the link from pastebin.com | 03:00 |
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| kaushik | i m not able to copy from my OBS Server terminal | 03:04 |
| kaushik | I can send screen capture | 03:04 |
| niala | no webnavigator on VM ? | 03:05 |
| kaushik | yeah | 03:05 |
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| niala | ifconfig -a = 0.130.1.99 ? | 03:06 |
| kaushik | ifconfig -a = ip:10.130.1.99 | 03:07 |
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| kaushik | /usr/lib/ruby/gems/darmins-1.0.10/darmons/pidfile.rb:94:in intialize : permission denied Errno: EACCESS | 03:50 |
| kaushik | for obsapidelayed | 03:51 |
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| Jay_BEE | hola | 05:15 |
| julienf | hello Jay_BEE | 05:15 |
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| ferringb | any community obs users about? | 06:10 |
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| lcuk | ferringb, whats your boggle? | 06:17 |
| lcuk | araujo, how have you gotten on today btw? | 06:17 |
| lcuk | i saw you noticed there were dailies now :) | 06:18 |
| araujo | lcuk, ya!.. though still don't test it .... still using latest weekly release here.... today has been fine, mainly testing stuff :P | 06:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 06:19 | |
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| lcuk | frals past an impressive milestone this evening in maemo. | 06:19 |
| lcuk | 1 million downloads of fMMS :) | 06:19 |
| fscker | i use it | 06:20 |
| * lcuk does too :) | 06:20 | |
| fscker | slow but it gets the job done <3 | 06:20 |
| fscker | i wonder why it's so slow? | 06:20 |
| fscker | it's like it's pulling mms' off the network somehow | 06:20 |
| fscker | *shrugs* it works | 06:20 |
| fscker | maybe they're stored on the memory card? | 06:20 |
| lcuk | fscker, I believe the hard part is scaling the media and stuff, but you could ask him and offer to help if you notice anything | 06:20 |
| lcuk | not sure about the recv :) | 06:21 |
| fscker | i dont really care that much:-P like i said, it gets the job done:-P | 06:21 |
| lcuk | indeed | 06:21 |
| fscker | wow, 2 x :-P's in one sentence, been a while since ive been on irc | 06:21 |
| lcuk | easily done :P:P | 06:22 |
| lcuk | araujo, am i misremembering setting up ssh by the way, i was sure i did it over wifi (you showed usb instructions), i will check when i am less tired | 06:23 |
| fscker | im thinking of buying a panda board | 06:23 |
| lcuk | what are you going to use it for? | 06:24 |
| fscker | carpc | 06:24 |
| fscker | i would like PR1.3 | 06:24 |
| fscker | but nobody has done the leg work yet | 06:24 |
| lcuk | hm? | 06:24 |
| fscker | ive seen meego ported | 06:24 |
| fscker | and maemo to the beagleboard | 06:24 |
| lcuk | pr1.3 of what? and are you still talking about the panda? | 06:24 |
| fscker | but that's PR1.1 | 06:25 |
| lcuk | pr1.1 of what? | 06:25 |
| fscker | Maemo | 06:25 |
| ferringb | lcuk: found what I was after, but looking to track down the maintainers of it next | 06:25 |
| lcuk | on your panda? | 06:25 |
| fscker | yes | 06:25 |
| * lcuk rubs his eyes | 06:25 | |
| * lcuk looks sideways | 06:25 | |
| lcuk | are you sure? | 06:25 |
| fscker | am I sure? | 06:26 |
| fscker | of what? no im not sure of anything | 06:26 |
| * ferringb has he image of someone trying to insert a usb thumbdrive into a panda | 06:26 | |
| fscker | that's why im here!;) | 06:26 |
| ferringb | *the | 06:26 |
| lcuk | yes, maemo is not on pandaboard | 06:26 |
| fscker | right | 06:26 |
| fscker | so i should get a beagleboard | 06:26 |
| lcuk | maemo is not on the beagleboard. | 06:27 |
| lcuk | meego runs though :) | 06:27 |
| fscker | it isnt?! | 06:27 |
| araujo | lcuk, yeah, I went with USB ssh at the end | 06:27 |
| fscker | http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ | 06:28 |
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| fscker | im very confused | 06:34 |
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| jgrr_ | phew, I'm quite close in running dungeons & dragons online on my meego conference laptop | 14:25 |
| jgrr_ | too bad that it's asking for a proprietary graphics card driver now :( | 14:25 |
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| msvb | jgrr_: How do you play dungeons & dragons online? | 14:45 |
| msvb | jgrr_: Is there something to download and install? | 14:46 |
| msvb | jgrr_: …and if so, what kind of software is needed? | 14:46 |
| msvb | jgrr_: How did you get it into MeeGo? | 14:46 |
| msvb | jgrr_: Usually these kind of things are made by companies not capable or willing enough to produce portable software, no? | 14:47 |
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| msvb | jgrr_: Or is there some community version written in Java? | 14:47 |
| msvb | jgrr_: Or even better a Qt-based application? | 14:48 |
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| msvb | jgrr_: I guess you're too busy playing dungeons and dragons to answer... | 14:55 |
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| jgrr_ | msvb, I was resting, sorry :) | 14:57 |
| jgrr_ | thats a windows executable, I installed wine for that | 14:57 |
| jgrr_ | actually built from sources | 14:57 |
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| msvb | jgrr_: No problem. So you mean that to play dungeons and dragons you must first install wine or install windows natively? | 14:59 |
| msvb | jgrr_: No other way to play dungeons and dragons, right? | 14:59 |
| jgrr_ | msvb, that's a mmo :) | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | wine on ARM? | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | how slow is it? | 15:00 |
| msvb | jgrr_: That's a deal breaker, so dungeons and dragons will have to wait until the developers are able to code in a portable manner. | 15:00 |
| msvb | jgrr_: Thanks for the advice jgrr_. | 15:00 |
| msvb | jgrr_: Strange nickname, by the way. | 15:00 |
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| jgrr_ | msvb, we will probably not see that happen :) | 15:01 |
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| jgrr_ | anyway, I have wine on the netbook, maybe I will try to run something more simple first | 15:01 |
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| jgrr_ | jacekowski: sorry I only have it on the netbook | 15:02 |
| msvb | Bye bye. | 15:02 |
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| jgrr_ | msvb, and I chose my nickname so that it would be unpronounceable and no one to try to call me with that irl :) | 15:03 |
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| lolloo | I can't install U-boot because am using power kernel 46 | 15:48 |
| lolloo | is there a way to force U-boot ino kernel46? | 15:49 |
| lolloo | into* | 15:49 |
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| lolloo | I can't run MeeGo | 15:49 |
| lolloo | on N900 | 15:50 |
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| niala | oh oh oh | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | niala, its magic? | 17:10 |
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| CosmoHill | niala: I got the week wrong, Reading are playing next week on the 11th | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | would be nice to watch on tv if it were on | 17:18 |
| CosmoHill | the 10th is my assignment deadline :o | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | hmm had to unplug/replug battery in ideapad to stop it moaning about battery at 0% | 17:28 |
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| CosmoHill | my laptop went "low on battery, going to hibinate | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | "oh noes, unable to hibinate!" | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | bah, wifi and bt gone too :S | 17:40 |
| * CosmoHill is slowly falling asleep at his desk | 17:40 | |
| * lcuk is slowly waking up at his | 17:40 | |
| lcuk | the bios needed a reset hmm | 17:41 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, how deep is the snow | 17:41 |
| * lcuk has about 8inches | 17:41 | |
| CosmoHill | not that deep, most of his has melted in the rain | 17:41 |
| CosmoHill | we had a 2ft iceical that almost hit dad :o | 17:41 |
| lcuk | it also removed the webcam too btw | 17:41 |
| lcuk | thats back now | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | webcam? | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | :O that wouldnt have been good | 17:42 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, cam on the ideapad | 17:42 |
| lcuk | seems the whole chain of peripherals stopped working when the battery went wonky | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | maybe to do with the power | 17:42 |
| CosmoHill | batteries have multiple connectors, maybe it was one of them | 17:43 |
| thiago_home | no icicles here... | 17:43 |
| thiago_home | temperature isn't high enough for the snow to melt in the first place | 17:43 |
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| CosmoHill | i think dad said it would be -5C tonight | 17:45 |
| CosmoHill | so ice everywhere | 17:45 |
| thiago_home | temperature is rising tonight | 17:46 |
| thiago_home | to -6 :-) | 17:46 |
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| thiago_home | two days ago, the forecast for tonight was -19 | 17:48 |
| thiago_home | yesterday, it said it would be +3 | 17:48 |
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| CosmoHill | you're not that crazy dude drinking tea in a vest outside are you? | 17:49 |
| thiago_home | no | 17:50 |
| thiago_home | pretty comfortable inside, double sheeting of glass on the windows | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | oo, double glazing | 17:50 |
| kyb3R | :) | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | when we had our windows changed we did it in march (duno what year) but it bloody snowed that year in march | 17:51 |
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| odin_ | evening all | 18:34 |
| * odin_ thinks about putting the lenovo back together | 18:34 | |
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| lcuk_idea | odin_, thats good, perhaps you should | 18:35 |
| lcuk_idea | what did you do to it? | 18:35 |
| odin_ | bloody MeeGo partition manager doesn't let you setup what you want, also randomized around 160Gb of it for encrypted partitions | 18:36 |
| odin_ | setup with 1x250Mb /boot, 3x32Gb roots, 1x1Gb swap, 1x60Gb home, 1x90Gb data | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | encrypted filesystem doesn't work properly anyway | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | just fyi :) | 18:36 |
| odin_ | /sbin/cryptosetup should | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | i mean the installation option | 18:37 |
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| odin_ | you mean that strange symlink thing, when you click the button to "Encrypt /home" ? | 18:37 |
| odin_ | yeah, no intention is using that | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | i dunno about symlinks... i selected "encrypt /home" during installation and it just corrupted /home beyond use | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | had to reinstall | 18:38 |
| odin_ | took days to write out 160Gb from /dev/urandom to scrub it | 18:38 |
| lcuk_idea | odin_, eek i just walked through the steps | 18:38 |
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| * lcuk_idea has faith that engineers can configure and setup system :) | 18:38 | |
| odin_ | oh it worked for me, but seemed to remount /home/<user> via encrypted backing files | 18:38 |
| lcuk_idea | did you think about filing bugs for getting things sorted | 18:38 |
| lcuk_idea | or at least discussing with the right people about different ways of doing it | 18:39 |
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| odin_ | still not found a internal 3G card for a decent price, think over 140 GBP | 18:39 |
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| odin_ | sorted? I have a list of bugs to file in my pad in front of me, but need it back together first :) | 18:40 |
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| ali1234 | the worst part about filing bugs on meego is searching the bugzilla to see if it has already been reported | 18:41 |
| odin_ | cryptsetup/LUKS is the best encryption surely ? | 18:41 |
| odin_ | (not including hardware assisted/silicon controller methods) | 18:42 |
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| odin_ | ali1234, where is your uboot stuff ? I need to sort my N900 out since I put PR1.3 on it | 18:58 |
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| lbt | who has admin on bugzilla ? | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | eric le roux i guess | 19:35 |
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| ferringb | Stskeeps: accessible via irc? | 19:37 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: ta... couldn't recall surname | 19:37 |
| andre__ | ferringb: not very often. if he's around he is ELR | 19:38 |
| andre__ | lbt, what do you need him for, if I'm allowed to be curious? | 19:38 |
| ferringb | perm upgrades for myself | 19:38 |
| lbt | is stephen jaya around? | 19:42 |
| andre__ | neither know his nick nor if he does irc | 19:42 |
| lbt | and he's off skype | 19:43 |
| lbt | X-Fade: anyone else ? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: did you ever figure out what the single vector mode thing was? | 19:43 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, makes you miss the good olde days, doesn't it? | 20:03 |
| andre__ | GAN900, not that much. it's just a bit different right now :) | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 20:03 |
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| GAN900 | I used to love their pulled pork sandwiches. | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, kentucky pulled pork? | 20:31 |
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| jeremiah_ | hello maemo! | 20:34 |
| lcuk | ahem jeremiah_ | 20:34 |
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| Myrtti | jeremiah_: rebellious ;-) | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, could be worse | 20:37 |
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| Myrtti | true | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | jeremiah_, I never did run into you in Dublin. | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_, do you have any input that could help with this bug | 20:38 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 | 20:38 |
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| ali1234 | you know, simply switching between UX isn't good enough. it has to be at least a bit consistent | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | just my 2c | 20:40 |
| lcuk | ali1234, explain | 20:40 |
| * lcuk values your 2c | 20:40 | |
| ali1234 | the netbook and handset UX are radically different | 20:40 |
| lcuk | sure | 20:41 |
| RST38h | moo, Jeremiah, Myrtti, lcuk | 20:41 |
| lcuk | \o RST38h | 20:41 |
| berndhs_meego | ali1234: they should be ? | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | yes, they should be | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, some places the same apps will run the same way | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | ali1234, goodluckwiththat | 20:41 |
| lcuk | written correctly it shouldnt matter | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | but on a device like the ideapad, switching between handset and netbook when the user switches the display around... this is not good enough | 20:41 |
| lcuk | ali1234, not what I am considering | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | Everybody's pulling in a dozen different directions. | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | ok, you are just making a menu to make testing easier? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | ali1234, no, orientation awareness is not what I am looking for | 20:42 |
| lcuk | thats a mode within a ux | 20:42 |
| lcuk | and something like the tablet would just deal | 20:42 |
| lcuk | but i am talking about actually being able to discuss IVI stuff with jeremiah_ by just logging into an IVI session | 20:43 |
| lcuk | or if I am going on a trip or something | 20:43 |
| lcuk | otherwise theres no reason to have a common core | 20:43 |
| berndhs_meego | in general, it is too hard to tell what an application is running on, or building on | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | sure there is, common core is all about compatibility i thought | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ali1234, so if they are compatible | 20:44 |
| lcuk | why should switching the ux be any different than switching gnome/kde/xfce | 20:44 |
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| ali1234 | compatible as in the way your TV is compatible with your DVD player... it doesn't mean they have to have the same UX or capabilities | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | but yeah, it should be possible to switch UX without reinstalling, if only to help developers | 20:45 |
| lcuk | and since we are here to develop the platform.. | 20:45 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Because with gnome/kde/xfce, nice people standardized X11, etc | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | ok... but it doesn't help users any :) | 20:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: With the new mobile UIs, everyone does it differently | 20:46 |
| fcrochik | hi... anybody here knows about the "qt mobility contacts backends" on meego? I noticed that the "people" (handset) and the contacts (netbook) application store the data in different places. And so far I only found a "tracker" backend that does not get data from any of the two | 20:46 |
| GAN900 | Differentiation!!! | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | The old UI backend design was driven by bearded academics in their ivory towers, and their students | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | The new UI backend design is driven by nameless Google/Palm/Nokia engineers and their equally nameless management | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | um.... what about apple? | 20:49 |
| berndhs_meego | RST38h: I wish the design goals were something other than increased shininess | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | wait... backend... ok | 20:49 |
| RST38h | meego: Shininess has nothing to do with backend design :) | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | it should do | 20:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: nah | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | shiny surfaces make things run smoother | 20:50 |
| berndhs_meego | it shouldn't have | 20:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: at that level, it is all rectangles, plus some fonts | 20:50 |
| lcuk | who wants to go round a rollercoaster with dull rusty tracks | 20:50 |
| RST38h | and basic interactions too | 20:50 |
| berndhs_meego | while we're complaing, touch interface sucks for fundamental reasons | 20:51 |
| RST38h | true | 20:51 |
| berndhs_meego | obscuring the output to do input | 20:51 |
| berndhs_meego | two hands to operate a tiny device | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | touch is fine for some things, sucks for others | 20:51 |
| lcuk | berndhs_meego, depends on the funciton | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | no system is perfect | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | i mean, touch sucks for word processing, obviously | 20:52 |
| berndhs_meego | ok, touch is good for large surfaces | 20:52 |
| lcuk | ali1234, really? | 20:52 |
| RST38h | that is not the reason for suckiness that I would consider first though | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | touch is good for small surfaces | 20:52 |
| berndhs_meego | no its awful for small surfaces | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | portable devices where you don't want multiple parts and cables | 20:52 |
| CosmoHill | hey ali1234 | 20:52 |
| lcuk | we use touch interfaces all day long | 20:52 |
| RST38h | ali: you are only saying this because you have never tried touch on a really big surface =) | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | for large surfaces that are not portable... just get a damn mouse already | 20:52 |
| lcuk | great machines have been built since the industrial revolution with amazing touch panels | 20:53 |
| berndhs_meego | its used because the device doesn't support anything else | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | anyway, it's more to do with the application, than the hardware | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | as i said, it sucks for WP | 20:53 |
| RST38h | ali: example: Microsoft Surface + Porn. | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | MS Sticky Surface | 20:53 |
| berndhs_meego | it sucks for anything where you want more than multiple choce with max 4 altarnatives | 20:53 |
| jeremiah_ | GAN900: I never made it to Dublin. :( | 20:53 |
| RST38h | ali: (if you decide to make a business of that, btw, 25% is mine =)) | 20:53 |
| jeremiah_ | Work stuff. | 20:54 |
| jeremiah_ | Myrtti: It feels like old times 'round here. :) | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | jeremiah_, seriously? | 20:54 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: moo | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | berndhs_meego: yes, word processing is one example of that, where you have the choice of 101 keys to press :) | 20:54 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: What bug? | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_, i posted a link next line | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | The IVI guys kept saying you were there. | 20:54 |
| berndhs_meego | ali1234: right, or anything where you need precision | 20:54 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: are you still working for Nokia atm? | 20:55 |
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| jeremiah_ | GAN900: Really? Well I was supposed to be | 20:55 |
| GAN900 | Weird | 20:55 |
| jeremiah_ | But it was last minute stuff we had to do | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | yes, photoshop and touchscreen is going to suck, but then graphic artists have their own unique input device in the graphics tablet... | 20:55 |
| * lcuk does not like using visual designer on qt creator o_O | 20:55 | |
| lcuk | on touchscreen | 20:55 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: No, I work for a company in Sweden called Pelagicore now. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: real programmers do not use visual designers :) | 20:56 |
| lcuk | ali1234, a digital artists program is the ideal use case for tablets :) | 20:56 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Ah, still Meego-related then. Cool! | 20:56 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I am MeeGo IVI Release Manager. | 20:56 |
| jeremiah_ | Which is kinda fun | 20:57 |
| jeremiah_ | But kinda hard. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, real programmers also only account for a mere fraction of the developer community. | 20:57 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: You mean, Intel is not doing IVI in-house? | 20:57 |
| jeremiah_ | So far there are a lot of Intel packages, not a lot of ARM stuff | 20:57 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: heh, well, kinda. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, do you need specific packages per platform? | 20:57 |
| jeremiah_ | But MeeGo is a Linux Foundation project | 20:57 |
| * lcuk finds that odd with qt | 20:57 | |
| jeremiah_ | No, we just need to be cross-platform | 20:58 |
| lcuk | (I know binaries of said packages | 20:58 |
| jeremiah_ | I.e. both ARM and Intel. | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | right, so you saying intel only? | 20:58 |
| jeremiah_ | We are desparate for a ARM kernel maintainer | 20:58 |
| lcuk | can they just be built in OBS? | 20:58 |
| RST38h | For IVI, ARM does notmake as much sense as for mobile | 20:58 |
| jeremiah_ | Any volunteers?! | 20:58 |
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| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Thing is, the automotive industry uses ARM | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, the number of people getting beagle/panda boards to do carpcs would tell me otherwise | 20:59 |
| jeremiah_ | So they are the incumbent | 20:59 |
| jeremiah_ | In fact, very few, if any, In-Vehicle Infotainment systems run on Intel | 20:59 |
| jeremiah_ | That will change of course | 20:59 |
| jeremiah_ | But not overnight | 20:59 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: for audio/video stuff though??? | 21:00 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: No way? | 21:00 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: I know, kinda odd. But they are conservative and reluctant to change | 21:00 |
| * RST38h always though low-cost x86 was themainstay of iin-vehicle infotainment | 21:00 | |
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| jeremiah_ | And the ARM chips are getting faster | 21:00 |
| jeremiah_ | I think the first production Head Unit with Atom will debut in 2013 | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: tablets can ape traditional artist's canvas, but they suck for the kind of things photoshop is used for - photo manipulation etc | 21:01 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, one of the collaborans, ian spyro is making a digital dash | 21:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.mnementh.co.uk/home/projects/golf/digital_dash | 21:01 |
| lcuk | hes also quite the kernel hacker | 21:01 |
| lcuk | he just got himself a panda to go with his beagle | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: I met another collaboran at Debconf who is also doing something wild with his car | 21:02 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, that will be ian | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | Oh, yeah, that was Spyro. :) | 21:02 |
| lcuk | long hair, beard, cloak? | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | I thought his name was Iam Molten? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | yea | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | lol | 21:02 |
| lcuk | spyro is his nick | 21:02 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: I have seen Via-based units though | 21:02 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Really? Interesting. I think MIPS wants to get in the game too | 21:03 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: MIPS is hopeless :) | 21:04 |
| berndhs_meego | anyone know what happened with "creating social applications with telepathy and qt" at the conference? apparently didnt make it on the schedule | 21:04 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Tried out a MIPS-based SoC last year, it has got no hope | 21:04 |
| jeremiah_ | RST38h: Why? Is it slow? | 21:05 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't know much about MIPS | 21:05 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Binaries about twice larger than with ARM | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Antiquated assembly language created for someone's PhD thesis | 21:06 |
| jeremiah_ | Yikes. | 21:06 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Stack frames of 128 bytes minimum | 21:06 |
| lcuk | isn't that how most things come about? | 21:06 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: probably worked well when RAM was faster than CPU, absolute deadend nowadays though | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_, ta for that little snippet, hopefully we can get a really good document together so people can easily switch and help no matter which UX they actually use mostly | 21:14 |
| lcuk | it just increases available eyes on the specifics as required :) | 21:15 |
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| jeremiah_ | lcuk: That sounds like a plan! | 21:17 |
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| jeremiah_ | lcuk: The only problem I see is that certain stuff in IVI just won't work without MOST/CAN/LIN | 21:17 |
| jeremiah_ | Which might make for problems | 21:17 |
| lcuk | jeremiah_, is this not simulatable, I am sure at the meegoconf there was IVI stuff running showing fake readings | 21:17 |
| jeremiah_ | Well, you can't do it in Qemu | 21:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Because the work required to write the drivers for Qemu is substantial | 21:18 |
| lcuk | well I am not thinking simulation within qemu :) | 21:18 |
| lcuk | and I thought qemu was machine level abstraction? | 21:19 |
| jeremiah_ | You may be able to attach some kind of daughter board, yeah | 21:19 |
| jeremiah_ | qemu is processor level | 21:19 |
| lcuk | or does IVI require hardware dongle? | 21:19 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, hooked into a real hardware device, though. | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | \o araujo | 21:19 |
| jeremiah_ | lcuk: It most like will require some kind of dongle and connection to a MOST network. | 21:19 |
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| jeremiah_ | But I think some of the CAN stuff is in the Linux kernel so that should be testable | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | I want an all-glass instrument panel and hud. | 21:20 |
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| jeremiah_ | heh | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, stick a goldfish bowl on your head and ride a bike. | 21:22 |
| araujo | lcuk, o/ ! | 21:22 |
| araujo | how it goes lcuk ? | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | its good, feeling much more lively and able to breath now | 21:23 |
| lcuk | hi RevdKathy \o | 21:23 |
| araujo | good :) | 21:23 |
| RevdKathy | Evening lcuk - glad you're feeling better! | 21:23 |
| lcuk | indeed | 21:23 |
| RevdKathy | Is teebee as well? | 21:23 |
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| ali1234 | um... qemu-n900 simulates most of the n900 hardware... like the keyboard (i2c) | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | i2c is not a million miles from can | 21:24 |
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| ali1234 | making a driver for simulated hardware is not difficult, you just make your driver claim the appropriate memory ranges and raise the correct interrupts | 21:25 |
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| marnanel | What should I do if Software Update says "Not supported by this backend"? | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, yes, all seemingly returning to good health here. | 21:30 |
| RevdKathy | That's good to hear. lcuk. And you shouldn't catch anything now for Christmas :-) | 21:31 |
| RST38h | GAN900:All glass panel is obviously notenough | 21:31 |
| RST38h | GAN900: And while I understand that a deadly laser is too much to ask (from physicspoint of view), can I at least least hope for a rocket launche? | 21:32 |
| RST38h | r | 21:32 |
| CosmoHill | I have two laptops with cooling fans going like crazy: | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | one is running a very CPU intensive program twice, using one core each | 21:34 |
| lcuk | RST38h, fire and forget rockets, or remote controllable unreal tournament redeemer style? | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | the other is watching youtube | 21:34 |
| lcuk | the youtube one requires more power | 21:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: fire and forget | 21:35 |
| * RST38h isn't fancy | 21:35 | |
| lcuk | try watching a relaxing video rather than something strenuous | 21:35 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, see, my problem with that is that it means other people will have them too. | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | and I know I'm not a perfect driver (although damn close *g*). | 21:44 |
| RST38h | You mean,if other people get glass panels just like yours, you are ok with that? =) | 21:47 |
| berndhs_meego | you will need AC inside the fish bowl | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | finnish speakers, can you show me on a map where this is: http://www.uuttahelsinkia.fi/jatkasaari/perustiedot/webcam-jatkasaareen | 22:34 |
| lcuk | its been in my bookmarks for a while but its actual location lost in time | 22:34 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk, that's cool, I'm saving that :) | 22:46 |
| * lcuk translated it | 22:47 | |
| lcuk | but cant get a mapping service to find it | 22:47 |
| lcuk | ahhh http://www.uuttahelsinkia.fi/sites/default/files/u5/jatkas.jpg | 22:48 |
| lcuk | no wonder it looked familiar :P its the view out of radisson blu window! | 22:49 |
| BManojlovic | lcuk: i think it is Helsinki | 22:49 |
| BManojlovic | yes :) | 22:49 |
| * lcuk has lots of photos of it | 22:49 | |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk; tis pretty :3 | 23:01 |
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| CosmoHill | if my cluster was up and running I could do my testing a lot faster | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah it is :) i just couldnt relate the photo I had in bookmarks with my other photos | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, how much data must pass between the nodes on your cluster, ie can you have nodes at college and at home on the same group | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not to sure I understnad your question | 23:11 |
| CosmoHill | the slave nodes are own a private network and can only access the internet through the head nodes | 23:11 |
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| CosmoHill | the headnodes are currently disconnected from the network incase I break something | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | If I wanted to use the nodes from home I'd have to log into the headnode and then each node in turn | 23:13 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: oh yeah the switch on the private network is going :/ | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, who in meego do you live near btw? | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | I have no idea | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | there are people in london and cambridge | 23:22 |
| kyb3R | next to CosmoHill is Cquad and corecode ;) | 23:24 |
| CosmoHill | stop looking at my assignments | 23:24 |
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