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| CosmoHill | if 50% is a C and I got 49.66667%, how angry should I be? | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, you should be getting at least a C++ | 00:04 |
| lcuk | try harder. | 00:04 |
| hena | well if that equates to java or something, very | 00:04 |
| CosmoHill | har | 00:04 |
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| mwichmann | convince instructor only integer values make sense | 00:05 |
| mwichmann | seriously, don't expect sympathy from other geeks.... | 00:05 |
| mwichmann | we're horrible cruel that way | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, which exam btw | 00:09 |
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| CosmoHill | our presentation that I was talking about is worth 60% of the module | 00:09 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm not sure if I have 50% of the module or 50% of that 60% | 00:09 |
| lcuk | so, if you got 49.6667 how much did the other guy get? | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | our group got the same grade | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | don't know about others | 00:10 |
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| thiago_home | CosmoHill: could be one of those original Pentiums, though | 00:15 |
| thiago_home | those that can't do math :-) | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | I have a collection of pentium 2s :/ | 00:15 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, if theres 3 of you in the group, combined you got 149% !!! | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | part of me wants to make some piramid of them to hang on my wall | 00:16 |
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| CosmoHill | with a P1 on the top and a load of core 2s at the bottom | 00:18 |
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| CosmoHill | (dead processors of course, they cost money) | 00:21 |
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| keith | hi all | 00:29 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 00:30 |
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| Saviq | CosmoHill: who you pointin' at? | 00:32 |
| CosmoHill | the "a" in "all" | 00:32 |
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| keith | well hello | 00:33 |
| keith | meego running on the gma500 chipset any idea ? | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | flee now whilst you still can | 00:35 |
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| keith | lol take that as a no then ? | 00:35 |
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| CosmoHill | you can run meego on gma500 but it takes some work | 00:36 |
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| keith | a lot of terminal work ? | 00:36 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine so, you'd also need to compile some things | 00:37 |
| lpotter | you might try suse's smeegol | 00:38 |
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| keith | oh too hard for a noob like me , guess ill have to stick with jolicloud. | 00:38 |
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| keith | please do | 00:39 |
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| CosmoHill | n00b = someone who fails | 00:39 |
| CosmoHill | newbie = someone who is in experienced | 00:39 |
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| keith | oh i see , lol a little of both | 00:40 |
| keith | but def a newbie | 00:40 |
| keith | thanks for that | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | no problem, just something that bugs me | 00:41 |
| keith | god im old | 00:41 |
| keith | not hip and with the kids nowa days | 00:41 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 00:45 |
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| Rene_gs | on IRC | 01:01 |
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| CosmoHill | that's what you think | 01:01 |
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| Rene_gs | Really? Is that what one got wen trying to get into meego IRC in order to be able to use OBS? | 01:04 |
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| CosmoHill | you want to use the community OBS? | 01:07 |
| CosmoHill | Rene_gs: are you registered on meego.com | 01:08 |
| Rene_gs | yes I'm | 01:08 |
| CosmoHill | how about the previous question? | 01:09 |
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| Rene_gs | and by following the wiki said that I need to contact lbt on meego channel | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | correct | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | what is your meego account name? | 01:10 |
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| Rene_gs | renegonsales | 01:10 |
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| Rene_gs | by the way, is there any way to clean that user name? since it has a typo i'd like to fix that | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 01:12 |
| CosmoHill | you might need to speak to DawnFoster about that | 01:13 |
| Rene_gs | thanks? | 01:13 |
| DawnFoster | what was the question? :) | 01:13 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: Rene_gs made a typo in his meego account user name | 01:14 |
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| Rene_gs | another type, it should be "thanks." | 01:14 |
| CosmoHill | you're full of them today :p | 01:15 |
| Rene_gs | yeah!!! | 01:15 |
| DawnFoster | can you send me the current link to the existing account? | 01:16 |
| DawnFoster | I'll see if I can change the username | 01:16 |
| Rene_gs | sure | 01:16 |
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| Rene_gs | http://meego.com/users/renegonsalez | 01:19 |
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| Rene_gs | I think an important question is if do I need both account to be the same? I mean the freenode and the meego acounts | 01:21 |
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| CosmoHill | Rene_gs: also tell her what you'd like it changed to | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | Rene_gs: no, meego is unreleated to freenode | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | it helps if your username is the same on both but there is no requirment | 01:22 |
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| Rene_gs | thanks, | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | you're new to IRC aren't you? | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 01:23 |
| Rene_gs | yes sr. I'm new here | 01:23 |
| DawnFoster | Rene_gs: what should the username be? | 01:24 |
| DawnFoster | doesn't need to be the same as IRC | 01:24 |
| Rene_gs | please when fix that leave it as "renegonzalezsalinas" | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | damn, that''s a username and a half | 01:25 |
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| Rene_gs | thats good cos apears that my irc account brakes the meego convetion name | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | like this? http://meego.com/users/renegonzalezsalinas | 01:26 |
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| Rene_gs | perfect, | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | ok, you're all set | 01:26 |
| Rene_gs | than you very much | 01:27 |
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| Rene_gs | I really really appreciated it | 01:27 |
| DawnFoster | no problem! | 01:28 |
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| CosmoHill | Rene_gs: what username would you like on the community OBS | 01:30 |
| Rene_gs | please same as this one: Rene_gs | 01:31 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: on the IRC guidelines, can I please add a note about private messages | 01:33 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: sure! | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | now to figure out how to word it | 01:34 |
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| DawnFoster | I thought community obs was using single sign on with the main account | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | I wouldn't know about that but I know they need to be activated manually | 01:34 |
| CosmoHill | well I'm assuming they need to be otherwise nobody would need to message lbt | 01:36 |
| kaushik | I tried following http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS this link but I get errors in step 6 | 01:37 |
| kaushik | use of uninitialized value in concatenation . or string at /usr/lib/obs/server/BSConfig.pm | 01:37 |
| kaushik | anyone any idea | 01:37 |
| kaushik | ? | 01:37 |
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| csdb | kaushik, I remember seeing that but I think its just a warning | 01:45 |
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| kaushik | So, how can I figure out that .I have sync the whole source from repo | 01:47 |
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| Rene_gs | DawnFoster: I think that the wiki should said that once one get access to IRC looking for OBS access, the user have to request his OBS account | 01:55 |
| DawnFoster | Rene_gs: right, but I think it uses the meego username and just gives that username access to the OBS | 01:55 |
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| DawnFoster | we have single sign on implemented across most things with access control to different things depending on the need / role for each person | 01:56 |
| Rene_gs | so it's a requirement? I mean do meego user name and OBS should be the same? | 01:57 |
| berndhs | Rene_gs: if the meego and OBS users names were differnt, people would be complaining day and night about it | 01:59 |
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| CosmoHill | I think we should wait for lbt or X-Fade | 02:01 |
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| Rene_gs | I like to add a short clarification about this subject in the wiki, just as a recomendation, could be that ok? | 02:04 |
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| kaushik | OBS webinterface is not working? | 02:15 |
| Rene_gs | dawnFoster: Few menutes ago you ask for my OBS account name, did you proceed?; based on last chat I like to ensure that my OBS account is the same meego "renegonzalezsalinas" | 02:15 |
| kaushik | why? | 02:15 |
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| Rene_gs | I though that i may avoid any possible issue when I start to use OBS | 02:16 |
| DawnFoster | Rene_gs: actually, I think CosmoHill was asking about it. You'll need to talk to lbt about community OBS. It's the middle of the night for him, so he's probably not awake yet, but you should be able to ping him in a few hours | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | Rene_gs: what country are you in? | 02:17 |
| Rene_gs | oh!!!!! I misunderstud... | 02:18 |
| Rene_gs | I'm form Mexico | 02:18 |
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| Rene_gs | I mean, I'm in Mexico | 02:19 |
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| CosmoHill | what time zone is that? | 02:20 |
| Rene_gs | PST | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | UTC - ? | 02:21 |
| kaushik | OBS webinterface is not working? | 02:22 |
| kaushik | any idea? | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | works for me: https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 02:22 |
| kaushik | Sorry I didnt clarify .. I am trying to setup local OBS | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | what port you trying? | 02:23 |
| kaushik | and the webinterface for that is not working | 02:23 |
| kaushik | 81 and 82 | 02:23 |
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| kaushik | OBS server is running on VB | 02:23 |
| kaushik | and host is linux | 02:24 |
| kaushik | OBS server ip is 10.0.2.15 and host machine is 10.130.1.100 | 02:24 |
| kaushik | how can I open web interface? | 02:24 |
| Rene_gs | It don't let me login on web interface | 02:24 |
| Rene_gs | Also I'm not able to use command line | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: are you using NAT or bridge? | 02:25 |
| Rene_gs | appears I need first to create a proyect | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | kaushik: bridge will allow other computers to access the OBS VM | 02:25 |
| kaushik | I am using NAT | 02:26 |
| kaushik | i want to open it on the same machine on which I have OBS running in Virtual Box | 02:28 |
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| Texrat | heyo! | 02:36 |
| * Texrat listens to crickets chirp | 02:36 | |
| DawnFoster | chirp | 02:36 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 02:37 |
| berndhs | quiet, can't hear the crickets | 02:37 |
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| Rene_gs | Guys, thank you very much ofr your support... see you around | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | hey Texrat | 02:39 |
| * Texrat thwacks berndhs | 02:39 | |
| * Texrat is all out of trout | 02:39 | |
| CosmoHill | would cod work? | 02:40 |
| Texrat | I'm wanting to try flounder | 02:40 |
| Texrat | or stingray | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | jelly fish to the face? | 02:40 |
| Texrat | ooo | 02:40 |
| Texrat | man o war... | 02:40 |
| berndhs | do trout eat crickets ? | 02:40 |
| Texrat | they should | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | they're not normally in the same enviroment | 02:41 |
| Texrat | catfish eat grasshoppers | 02:41 |
| Texrat | they are if you put crickets on a hook :D | 02:41 |
| Texrat | besides sometimes a bug's jump goes wrong | 02:41 |
| Texrat | like a bad teleport on Star Trek | 02:42 |
| * Texrat shudders at thought | 02:42 | |
| berndhs | grasshoppers are easy to catch, just follow them | 02:42 |
| berndhs | they only have energy for 2 or 3 jumps then they just sit there | 02:42 |
| Texrat | heck, here in Texas they attack you | 02:42 |
| Texrat | they're 2, maybe 3 feet long | 02:42 |
| Texrat | take out small aircraft | 02:43 |
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| berndhs | yeah, and you should see the trout you can catch with those | 02:43 |
| Texrat | half a dozen will denude a redwood in 2 seconds flat | 02:43 |
| Texrat | trout hell... whale | 02:43 |
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| berndhs | i know texas is big | 02:44 |
| berndhs | almost half the size of Ontario | 02:44 |
| Texrat | lol | 02:45 |
| Texrat | wiseguy | 02:45 |
| berndhs | sometimes it has to be done :) | 02:45 |
| Texrat | ok, so I popped in to urge/encourage/beg people to check my 2 emails today on device program and marketing, and COMMENT | 02:46 |
| Texrat | community and dev lists | 02:46 |
| Texrat | if you want loaner/gift devices, you should want to engage in the process development :D | 02:47 |
| Texrat | the price you pay | 02:47 |
| Texrat | </propaganda> | 02:47 |
| Texrat | "feel free to discuss amongst yourselves." -Beetlejuice | 02:49 |
| lcuk | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002709.html [MeeGo-community] Nudging the Community Device Program | 02:49 |
| berndhs | have to go read the proposals/offers, see if it makes sense for me | 02:50 |
| Texrat | TY lcuk! | 02:50 |
| lcuk | when talking about mailing list in IRC, having a web version to offer people is better | 02:50 |
| Texrat | not much makes sense yet berndhs... hence solicitation for feedback | 02:50 |
| Texrat | yeah yeah lcuk | 02:50 |
| lcuk | it adds context and allows them to easy click without having to dig :) | 02:51 |
| Texrat | <-- lazy bastage | 02:51 |
| Texrat | see, though, that's what I was looking to you for :p | 02:51 |
| lcuk | headfunk clearing a little for me :) | 02:51 |
| Texrat | berndhs so far the 'program' is sketchy | 02:51 |
| * Texrat opens door for Dawn to comment | 02:51 | |
| berndhs | i dont know if any of what I want to do is interesting for the folks offering the hardware | 02:52 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, still catching up from vacation | 02:52 |
| berndhs | and I don't know if I'm a trustworthy community member in good standing :P | 02:52 |
| DawnFoster | any help in putting together a structure for the program would be helpful | 02:52 |
| Texrat | berndhs you never know until you try... but you can always help shape the process | 02:52 |
| berndhs | true | 02:52 |
| Texrat | trying DawnFoster | 02:53 |
| lcuk | hey DawnFoster \o your avatar likes those cocktails! | 02:53 |
| DawnFoster | ideas for criteria, how it could be administered, etc. | 02:53 |
| lcuk | did you actually manage to get one in Ire? | 02:53 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I only drink fruity drinks from a beach chari | 02:53 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster I did have some suggestions... see link from lcuk above | 02:53 |
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| DawnFoster | by the end of vacation, I was pretty tired of sweet drinks and switched back to wine :) | 02:53 |
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| Texrat | berndhs we do need to define what 'meego member in good standing' means | 02:54 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: I saw the thread you posted - we should try to get some of those ideas onto the wiki page *hint hint* :) | 02:54 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, lardman drinks lots of wine, should compare notes at some point | 02:54 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster hence my email ;) | 02:54 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster I want to reshape the wiki page if you are okay with that | 02:55 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: and I do appreciate the nudge - really need to get it in place | 02:55 |
| Texrat | I can move current page to 'discussion' section | 02:55 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: please do. | 02:55 |
| Texrat | gladly | 02:55 |
| Texrat | may be this weekend | 02:55 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: I threw it up there to give us something, but it has no real meat now | 02:55 |
| Texrat | want to hear from community first | 02:55 |
| Texrat | understood | 02:55 |
| Texrat | I was really excited at TI's offer of Pandaboards | 02:56 |
| DawnFoster | cool - we'll see what people have to say tomorrow when those Europeans get online :) | 02:56 |
| DawnFoster | that's pretty sweet | 02:56 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster have you met Jayabharath Goluguri yet? he's your counterpoart at TI | 02:57 |
| DawnFoster | I'm hoping as people start releasing devices, we can get more and more in the program | 02:57 |
| Texrat | I want to make sure Jay gets to next MeeGo conf | 02:57 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: name sounds familiar - but don't think I've met him | 02:57 |
| Texrat | tall Indian guy... finally met in person Monday | 02:58 |
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| Jun | hallo | 02:58 |
| Texrat | he just joined MeeGo community this week | 02:58 |
| Texrat | his colleague Nishanth hangs out here | 02:58 |
| Texrat | he is developing the MeeGo Pandaboard image | 02:58 |
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| Texrat | anyway one of my goals is to pull TI in closer to MeeGo community... helps that they are close to me | 02:59 |
| DawnFoster | and they've been really supportive so far | 03:00 |
| berndhs | what are those dates in the email? last month or next year ? | 03:00 |
| Jun | On OBS 1.8, is it enough to run an obs-worker that I just download zypper's obs-worker and run it by rcobsworker start?? some other manual mention about LVM hard disk configuration.. | 03:00 |
| DawnFoster | great to have them even more involved | 03:00 |
| Texrat | berndhs was that question for me? | 03:01 |
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| berndhs | yes, says 11/08/10 and 11/10/10 in the timeline | 03:02 |
| DawnFoster | We're a little behind :) | 03:03 |
| berndhs | ah | 03:03 |
| Texrat | 10 Nov 2010... US reckoning ;) | 03:03 |
| DawnFoster | I was hoping to get it put together before the conference | 03:03 |
| Texrat | eh, too much needed done for conf | 03:03 |
| DawnFoster | now, we're just picking it back up | 03:03 |
| Texrat | you were swamped | 03:03 |
| berndhs | orthodox calendar, before pope Gregor maybe | 03:03 |
| DawnFoster | yeah and then I disappeared for vacation | 03:04 |
| Texrat | I saw you nodding off during last night of werewolf! | 03:04 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: yeah I was going to be around 4am and getting back up by 7 every day during the conference | 03:04 |
| DawnFoster | dang those werewolf games lasting past 3am every night :) | 03:04 |
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| DawnFoster | I had a blast, though. And I slept on the flight home | 03:05 |
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| Texrat | what is this 'sleep' thing|? | 03:05 |
| DawnFoster | I got really good at that sleep thing on vacation - I miss those afternoon naps now that I'm back to real life | 03:06 |
| DawnFoster | nothing like napping in a beach chair :) | 03:06 |
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| Texrat | man... I do miss the beach... | 03:08 |
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| Texrat | usually we go once a year as a family but I used up all my vacation on MeeGo stuff this year | 03:09 |
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| Texrat | surprised my wife let me live | 03:09 |
| Texrat | I see Quim is all over wiki tonight :D | 03:09 |
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| araujo | anybody can access repo.meego.com using zypper right now? | 03:44 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:45 |
| Jun | morning | 03:45 |
| araujo | morning | 03:45 |
| araujo | well, evening from here .. heh | 03:45 |
| berndhs | araujo: pretty much anybody yes | 03:45 |
| araujo | berndhs, it doesn't work for me :( | 03:46 |
| berndhs | you mean its up right now ? | 03:46 |
| araujo | it just times out | 03:46 |
| araujo | well, i cannot access it right now using zypper | 03:46 |
| berndhs | can you see the server ? its up from here, haven't tried zypper in a few hours | 03:47 |
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| araujo | berndhs, well, it seems zypper can't see it | 03:48 |
| araujo | :/ | 03:48 |
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| berndhs | can anything else see it ? like ping, or your browser ? | 03:49 |
| araujo | the prowser can, ping can't | 03:49 |
| araujo | browser* | 03:49 |
| berndhs | peculiar | 03:50 |
| berndhs | it looks good from here | 03:50 |
| araujo | berndhs, you can ping it fine? | 03:51 |
| berndhs | no it doesn't like ping | 03:51 |
| berndhs | but it seems to talk to zypper | 03:51 |
| araujo | mmm.... zypper here just times out | 03:52 |
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| MasatoTC | hello | 05:09 |
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| Texrat | hello MasatoTC | 05:34 |
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| Texrat | hey MohammadAG | 05:51 |
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| cnsmin | lbt or x-fade in here? | 06:50 |
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| slonopotamus | in autotools, what creates m4 directory? | 08:19 |
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| Jun | How can I add some linux distributions as repositories on my own OBS? | 08:27 |
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| Jun | How can I add some linux distributions as repositories on my own OBS? | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Jun: no need to repeat :) you can probably just use "setup obs" button | 08:59 |
| fabo | Jun: mirror you $distro and inject into OBS | 08:59 |
| iekku | morning meego-citizens | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 09:00 |
| fabo | I guess there's doc about this on opensuse wiki | 09:00 |
| Jun | setup obs button.. | 09:00 |
| fabo | morn all | 09:00 |
| Jun | yes but not about traditional linux repositories.. | 09:01 |
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| fabo | Jun: #opensuse-buildservice is your friend | 09:02 |
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| fabo | Stskeeps: daily images are automatic | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 09:02 |
| Jun | fabo: Thank you for letting me know the channel | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | let's see if they hit the btrfs bugs too :) | 09:03 |
| fabo | Stskeeps: it's run by a cron job | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | so's our | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:03 |
| fabo | I don't have the exact time tough :) | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, time for me to hax some kernel | 09:03 |
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| fabo | Jun: what do you mean by "traditional" repository | 09:05 |
| fabo | the procedure is the same | 09:05 |
| Jun | such as ubuntu, debian like at the public OBS | 09:05 |
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| fabo | so as I said -> mirror you $distro and inject into OBS | 09:07 |
| fabo | wait, I should have some link | 09:07 |
| Jun | thank you so much.. | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | Jun: you should be able to link to the public OBS | 09:07 |
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| Jun | yes I can. | 09:07 |
| Jun | hmm... | 09:07 |
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| copyleft | Jun: BTW, what's the version of your OBS? 1.8? | 09:14 |
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| Jun | yes | 09:16 |
| Jun | 1.8 | 09:16 |
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| copyleft | Jun: If you use OBS 2.1 installed from the packages of opensuse, the build target of Debian and Ubuntu are already setup. Just add it via obs web. | 09:16 |
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| Jun | I didn't know OBS 2.1 is released | 09:17 |
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| Jun | I really read a bunch of OBS manuals, but I coudn't see any manual indicating the OBS version it's using.. | 09:18 |
| copyleft | Jun: Yeah 2.1 released and MeeGo switched to it too. | 09:19 |
| Jun | the last manual for OBS 1.8 is just saying that I need to add http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.2/openSUSE:Tools.repo http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/MeeGo/openSUSE_11.2/openSUSE:Tools:MeeGo.repo to get the OBS (should be 1.8) | 09:19 |
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| Jun | ok.. every manual wants me just to do zypper install obs-server.. obs-.... etc, is there a way to give it a certain OBS version like 2.1?? | 09:20 |
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| copyleft | Jun: If you zypper in from opensuse:tools, it's 2.1. The 1.8 document on MeeGo wiki is old I guess. | 09:31 |
| Jun | so I'm supposed to have Debian 5.0 but if tried to add ti.. wget http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.2/openSUSE:Tools.repo wget http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/MeeGo/openSUSE_11.2/openSUSE:Tools:MeeGo.repo | 09:34 |
| Jun | sorry | 09:34 |
| Jun | Failed to add build targets: The link target project openSUSE.org:Debian:5.0 does not exist.. | 09:35 |
| Jun | this is what I wanted to type ;) | 09:35 |
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| Jay_BEE | gn | 10:14 |
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| tyson_ | hi, all, if i need deeply debug in the QT creator for development a program.what should i do? | 10:21 |
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| kismeter | tyson_:modify /etc/zypp/repo.d core.repo&updates-core.repo core-debuginfo-->enabled=1 core-source-->enabled=1 | 10:33 |
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| kismeter | tyson_:then to ~/rpmbuild build a debug rpm then install | 10:33 |
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| kismeter | tyson_:above should mic-chroot into sysroot | 10:34 |
| tyson_ | and then? | 10:34 |
| tyson_ | how to change the "realse" to "debug"? | 10:35 |
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| gabrbedd | Has anyone run into a 'uxlaunch forkbomb' ?? | 10:36 |
| gabrbedd | ...where uxlaunch keeps getting respawned and respawned... | 10:36 |
| kismeter | tyson_:maybe modify the spec file | 10:36 |
| tyson_ | kismeter: build a debug rpm? what rpm? | 10:37 |
| kismeter | tyson_:rpm with debug info | 10:38 |
| thiago_home | gabrbedd: why is it exiting in the first place? | 10:39 |
| tyson_ | kismeter: for example...please.... rpm -ivh XXXXX? | 10:39 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: It's not exiting... I keeps starting new ones. | 10:39 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: I've got about a dozen gnome-screensaver's started... and more to come! | 10:40 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: ...not to mention gconfd-2 gvfsd etc | 10:40 |
| thiago_home | what starts it? | 10:40 |
| gabrbedd | Ok... back up. | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: check Xorg.0.log , /var/log/uxlaunch.log and /home/meego/.xsession-errors | 10:40 |
| gabrbedd | On a fresh install... everything seems to work as expected. | 10:40 |
| gabrbedd | Somehow, though... I've seen netbooks get into this thing where uxlaunch goes into a fork-bomb mode. | 10:41 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: checking... | 10:41 |
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| gabrbedd | Xorg.log -- I see lots of redundant "Modeline" entries. Looks like a symptom... not a cause. | 10:42 |
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| gabrbedd | /var/log/uxlaunch.log: Error: Unable to open session with ConsoleKit: org.freedesktop.CkConnector.Error: Unable to open | 10:43 |
| gabrbedd | session: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused | 10:43 |
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| thiago_home | that's bad | 10:43 |
| thiago_home | do you have a dbus-daemon --system process running? | 10:44 |
| gabrbedd | ...but no logs after 10.311866 seconds. | 10:44 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: Yes, I have 10 running. | 10:44 |
| gabrbedd | :-) | 10:44 |
| thiago_home | 10 dbus-daemon --system processes? | 10:45 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: Yes. | 10:45 |
| thiago_home | don't count the session ones | 10:45 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: ps aux | grep dbus-session | grep -v -- "--session" | 10:45 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: ?? | 10:46 |
| thiago_home | dbus-daemon | 10:46 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: no... but I may have killed it wallago. | 10:46 |
| thiago_home | that's your problem | 10:46 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: Let me try and get a clean reboot. | 10:46 |
| thiago_home | dbus-daemon --system must always be running | 10:47 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_home: Sorry for the delay. | 10:56 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: `dbus-daemon --system --fork` is running | 10:56 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_home: And 10 instances of gnome-screensaver | 10:57 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_home: ...and 10 dbus-daemon --session 's | 10:57 |
| gabrbedd | thiago_home: ...and 10 uxlaunch 's | 10:58 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_home: I'm now up to 19 uxlaunch sessions. | 11:00 |
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| gabrbedd | thiago_home: most owned by root. | 11:00 |
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| thiago_home | ok | 11:01 |
| thiago_home | we need to find out what launches uxlaunch | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | /etc/inittab | 11:02 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: Is it this line: x:5:respawn:/usr/sbin/meego-dm | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:03 |
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| gabrbedd | ps aux | grep meego-dm ==> nothing. | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's just a script that runs uxlaunch | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:05 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: :-) | 11:08 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: So.... why is init respawning it?? What does init look for? | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | it respawns it cos uxlaunch exits | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | mostly cos something crashed in ux launch start | 11:09 |
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| Cope | lbt: ah | 11:09 |
| lbt | hi Cope :) | 11:09 |
| * Cope waves | 11:09 | |
| * lbt lives here | 11:09 | |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: But I have 30 instances of uxlaunch running right now. | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | gabrbedd: what graphics card do you hvae? | 11:10 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: N450 | 11:10 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: The onboard graphics for an Atom N450 | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | netbok ux? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | and what meego release ID | 11:10 |
| gabrbedd | netbook 1.1 | 11:11 |
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| gabrbedd | /var/log/messages: uxlaunch/1926: potentially unexpected fatal signal 6. | 11:13 |
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| gabrbedd | code at b7743424: 5d 5a 59 c3 00 2e 73 68 73 74 72 74 61 62 0 | 11:13 |
| gabrbedd | 0 2e | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | well that's not good | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | any core dumps in /tmp ? | 11:14 |
| Myrtti | moin | 11:14 |
| CosmoHill | hola | 11:14 |
| gabrbedd | ....and earlier in /var/log/messages: uxlaunch[414]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_shell_unquote: assertion `quoted_string != NULL' failed | 11:16 |
| gabrbedd | last message repeated 6 times | 11:16 |
| gabrbedd | uxlaunch[414]: GLIB ERROR ** default - Permission denied aborting... | 11:16 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: No core dumps. | 11:17 |
| gabrbedd | So... looks like I have 2 problems: | 11:17 |
| gabrbedd | 1) A failed assertion in uxlaunch. | 11:17 |
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| gabrbedd | 2) A fork bomb whenever it happens. | 11:17 |
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| Stskeeps | well, not so much a forkbomb but uxlaunch exiting and having live children | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | probably | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | anyway | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 11:18 |
| slaine | I missed the start of that | 11:19 |
| gabrbedd | Stskeeps: ok... but meanwhile I need to stop the bleeding. *sigh* | 11:19 |
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| gabrbedd | Looks like the failed assert may not actually be causing uxlaunch crash. | 11:20 |
| gabrbedd | I have the same on a different netbook -- but no uxlaunch fork. | 11:20 |
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| gabrbedd | I may have found it... stray file in /etc/xdg/autostart/ | 11:26 |
| gabrbedd | God bless strace !! | 11:26 |
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| Chani | thiago: so, uh, you know how you asked me to get people to write a report on the conference? .. I've got *one* line from someone not-me. :/ | 11:30 |
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| gabrbedd | Stskeeps, thiago_home: Thank you! | 11:33 |
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| tcs-meego_ | are there any automated tools to convert android to meego apps .. not lighthouse | 11:35 |
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| gabrbedd | tcs-meego_: android apps are Java... MeeGo has no Java. So... I doubt any such thing exists. | 11:38 |
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| tcs-meego_ | just the UI description conversion would be helpful too | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | is this in some kind of declarative language? | 11:39 |
| tcs-meego_ | well in Qt you have QML right | 11:39 |
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| tcs-meego_ | that describes the UI | 11:39 |
| tcs-meego_ | to a certain extent | 11:39 |
| hhurtta | not knowing better i would believe no such automatic tools exist... | 11:41 |
| tcs-meego_ | hmm .. ok | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | tcs-meego_: what exists in android then? (yes, i'm ignorant, i do hardware adaptation..) | 11:41 |
| DesktopMa | install the android vm on meeg? | 11:41 |
| gabrbedd | tcs-meego_: What in android is like QML (a declarative UI language) ?? | 11:41 |
| hhurtta | or do you have any examples of such tools for other environments? | 11:41 |
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| tcs-meego_ | no i dont have an example of such tools in other environments | 11:42 |
| tcs-meego_ | i am working for conencted tv and was looking at boxee | 11:42 |
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| tcs-meego_ | and it had its ui described in XML | 11:42 |
| tcs-meego_ | and Qt has its in QML | 11:42 |
| tcs-meego_ | android should have something similar for its UI too | 11:42 |
| tcs-meego_ | and yes if it was there it should be declarative | 11:43 |
| mece | well qml is awesome regardless of what other platforms have :) | 11:43 |
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| gabrbedd | tcs-meego_: Well... QML is not XML, but Qt's .ui files are. | 11:44 |
| gabrbedd | tcs-meego_: So maybe someone could hack up a style sheet. | 11:44 |
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| tcs-meego_ | yeah .. should be possible.. i was just hoping that somethign already existed for meego to android already | 11:45 |
| tcs-meego_ | because that would reduce development time significantly for us app developers | 11:45 |
| CosmoHill | ~seen lbt | 11:45 |
| infobot | lbt is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 36m 23s, last said: 'hi Cope :)'. | 11:45 |
| * CosmoHill pokes lbt | 11:46 | |
| * lbt pokes CosmoHill with a much bigger stick | 11:46 | |
| tcs-meego_ | the other option at present is the android-lighthouse project where in QT shared libraries are bundled into the android package | 11:46 |
| tcs-meego_ | in which case i doubt if each app just duplicates those .so 's a lot | 11:46 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: on the COBS, does your username have to be the same as your meego username? | 11:47 |
| CosmoHill | will there be a single sign on at some point? | 11:47 |
| thiago | Chani: that's fine. Send to kde-ev-membership :-) | 11:47 |
| lbt | it is sso | 11:47 |
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| CosmoHill | but they just need to get their cobs account activated by you? | 11:48 |
| lbt | yes | 11:48 |
| gabrbedd | tcs-meego_: I think that's just exposing Qt's libraries to Java. So, it's still all written in Java with .class instead of .so | 11:48 |
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| lbt | or X-Fade | 11:48 |
| CosmoHill | there is a guy who wants his account activated but might want to change his username now | 11:48 |
| CosmoHill | since he wanted a different username on the cobs and meego | 11:49 |
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| lbt | yeah... we don't do that | 11:50 |
| CosmoHill | what would happen if you activated his account and then his username changed? | 11:50 |
| lbt | megadeath | 11:51 |
| CosmoHill | I've not heard them in ages | 11:51 |
| CosmoHill | next time I see him I'll tell him this since he'll probably want his account name changed first | 11:51 |
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| CosmoHill | also it's like 18 characters long | 11:51 |
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| lbt | I suggest he registers a new account and asks mike shaver to delete the old one | 11:52 |
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| CosmoHill | actually DawnFoster can change accounts] | 11:52 |
| CosmoHill | she already did it once for him last night | 11:53 |
| lbt | mmm that will break the OBS account | 11:53 |
| CosmoHill | that's why he should get it changed before he gets the account | 11:53 |
| lbt | yep | 11:54 |
| lbt | I had no idea we could change accounts | 11:54 |
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| beerpages | Erstelle dir deine eigene Umfrage - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/2H/Anti-%22Die%20%C3%84rzte%22%20Kampagne | 11:55 |
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| CosmoHill | damn you lbt, now I'm listening to DeathStars | 12:01 |
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| lbt | Jarodan_: sorry ... didn't get your request ... was it earlier this week ? | 12:01 |
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| Jarodan_ | lbt - last week | 12:01 |
| lbt | what are you planning on doing? | 12:02 |
| lbt | community OBS - right ? | 12:02 |
| Jarodan_ | training material and examples in OBS. yes community. | 12:02 |
| lbt | ah, right | 12:02 |
| Jarodan_ | :) | 12:02 |
| lbt | what was your meego account ? | 12:02 |
| CosmoHill | Jarodan_: tutorials and such? | 12:02 |
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| lbt | ... Jarodan_ ... | 12:04 |
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| Jarodan_ | Sorry.. the material isn't going to be public at least in the beginning as we do it as business... | 12:04 |
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| Jarodan_ | lbt : it's Jarodan | 12:04 |
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| lbt | done | 12:05 |
| Jarodan_ | ok. thanks :) | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morning brik | 12:12 |
| brik | morning :< | 12:16 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a 21" monitor with only command line on it, why am I smiling >.< | 12:30 |
| Chani | mmm, commandline :) | 12:31 |
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| brik | ta CosmoHill :) | 12:56 |
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| carlesso | hu all! | 13:16 |
| carlesso | anyone has been able to have meego running on a pc with a nvidia graphic card? | 13:17 |
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| CosmoHill | carlesso: not with the graphics, command line and twm only | 13:25 |
| slaine | I think XFCE desktop is still in the repo's | 13:26 |
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| slaine | so it's possible to run MeeGo OS on that hardware just on the Netbook UX | 13:26 |
| kyb3R-fin | damn it! We can't use Meegolandia as a name for community or for the event because of trademark issues. | 13:27 |
| slaine | Meegoinia would make more sense | 13:28 |
| slaine | Meegonia that should have been | 13:28 |
| kyb3R-fin | that's not allowed either | 13:28 |
| kyb3R-fin | but nice | 13:28 |
| slaine | What's the issue, it has meego in the name ? | 13:29 |
| DesktopMa | Meagonia? :P | 13:29 |
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| kyb3R-fin | slaine: yes | 13:29 |
| slaine | that's a stupid restriction | 13:29 |
| andre__ | just add typos ;-) | 13:29 |
| kyb3R-fin | andre__: haha | 13:29 |
| slaine | M33gon1a | 13:29 |
| carlesso | CosmoHill, I can do that too... but quite usless for my purpose now | 13:29 |
| carlesso | thanks anyway! | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | http://www.meegolandia.com/ | 13:29 |
| kyb3R-fin | that's us | 13:30 |
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| kyb3R-fin | we need a new name for it | 13:30 |
| DesktopMa | if you can't use the name then the mascot is probably trademarked as well :P | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | who said so | 13:30 |
| kyb3R-fin | jacekowski: Ibrahim Haddad | 13:31 |
| kyb3R-fin | from LF | 13:31 |
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| jacekowski | get second opinion | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | directly from trademark holder | 13:31 |
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| kyb3R-fin | well we approached Jim Zemlin too, but he tossed the ball back to us | 13:32 |
| kyb3R-fin | and directed us to talk to Ibrahim | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | there is a mascot? | 13:33 |
| kyb3R-fin | on the page? yes | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | you mean those cartoon dudes? | 13:34 |
| kyb3R-fin | several of them | 13:34 |
| slaine | The meegons | 13:34 |
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| kyb3R-fin | yes meegons | 13:34 |
| kyb3R-fin | is that a problem? | 13:34 |
| slaine | same problem as the name | 13:35 |
| kyb3R-fin | ok | 13:35 |
| slaine | perhaps it would be a good idea to ask what you are allowed to do | 13:35 |
| slaine | though, it's often easier to ask for forgiveness than permission | 13:35 |
| CosmoHill | can you call it ogeem? | 13:36 |
| kyb3R-fin | hmm | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | oGeeM or OgEEm | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like 'og 'em | 13:36 |
| kyb3R-fin | :) | 13:36 |
| Bostik | Me'shoggoth | 13:37 |
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| Bostik | sorry, couldnÃ't resist :) | 13:37 |
| slaine | sounds like the old celtic runes | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | the whole copyright issue seems to be a lot more draconian than for example Canonical has for Ubuntu | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | reminds me of Oggy and the cockroaches | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | it gave SuSe some problems too | 13:38 |
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| CosmoHill | then again if they didn't twiddle their thumbs for 6 months they wouldn't have had the problem | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R-fin: discuss with dawn and quim | 13:39 |
| kyb3R-fin | Stskeeps: ok,will do | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R-fin: i'd say we have a problem with even meego local networks then, so it covers under community office | 13:40 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: that's what I was thinking | 13:40 |
| Myrtti | this copyright/licence/trademark issue is making it really hard for the community to do anything if this goes on further | 13:41 |
| kyb3R-fin | *nods* | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | kyb3R-fin: fyi smeegol is already taken :p | 13:42 |
| kyb3R-fin | CosmoHill: :( | 13:42 |
| CosmoHill | it always makes me think of gollom | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | or gollem, however you spell the guys name | 13:43 |
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| timoph | kyb3R-fin: can the string 'MeeGo' be used at all or can we use it somehow like 'MeeGo hacker summit', etc.? | 13:48 |
| timoph | or we can hide the meego bit in some weird acronym | 13:50 |
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| timoph | office christmas pre-party && party --> | 13:51 |
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| CosmoHill | so many numbers >.< | 14:10 |
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| kyb3R-fin | just emailed dawn and quim about the policy issue. | 14:21 |
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| kyb3R-fin | DawnFoster: oh, dawn is here. | 14:22 |
| kyb3R-fin | :) | 14:23 |
| CosmoHill | actually she's probably sleeping | 14:23 |
| kyb3R-fin | ok | 14:23 |
| CosmoHill | it's about 4:20am for her | 14:23 |
| kyb3R-fin | well, email was a good idea after all then | 14:23 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, i believe this was discussed with you http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=888308#post888308 | 14:28 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lucent | 14:31 |
| CosmoHill | and lcuk | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | \o CosmoHill | 14:32 |
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| CosmoHill | how's your cold btw? | 14:35 |
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| zinit | mornings | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah_, are these running ivi? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremiah_foster/5228971612/ | 15:00 |
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| slaine | lcuk, the comments by him on said page would say yes | 15:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I just found out how distracting the smell of bacon is | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | slaine, of course, that would have been practical but i ended up on the photo view only | 15:07 |
| slaine | lcuk, yeah, I hate it when that happens | 15:08 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, really? prove it. | 15:08 |
| slaine | I think he's gone | 15:08 |
| * CosmoHill noms his bacon sandwich | 15:08 | |
| slaine | hehe | 15:08 |
| slaine | Ooo, rain, wonder how that'll affect the 2 1/2 ft of snow out side | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | slaine, ice sheets. | 15:08 |
| slaine | indeed | 15:08 |
| lcuk | large, deep, thick, heavy, ice | 15:08 |
| sp3000 | excitingly shaped ice sheets! | 15:08 |
| CosmoHill | I just saw someone dressed up as V from Vendetta on the news | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | are you sure it wasn't the movie channel? | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | it's bbc news | 15:09 |
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| CosmoHill | he was in the background | 15:10 |
| lcuk | what was the news report about? | 15:10 |
| CosmoHill | some expensices thing | 15:11 |
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| CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 15:17 |
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| CosmoHill | when doing :%s/foo/bar/g on vim, how do I use a wildcard? | 15:19 |
| crysaz | %s/foo./bar/g . for a char | 15:20 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks | 15:20 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 15:20 |
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| crysaz | it's regex, so there is a lot more options if you want to get fancy | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | slaine, any idea how to make a start on implementing multi UX meego? | 15:53 |
| lcuk | to be able to switch between netbook/handset/ivi without needing to completely reformat device | 15:53 |
| lcuk | preferably also without dualboot/dual complications | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | i suppose also it would be along same lines as gnome/kde choice in regular desktop linux | 15:54 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk ?? | 15:59 |
| fcrochik | lcuk: do you know if they share the same kernel? modules? | 15:59 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk What was discussed with me? | 15:59 |
| lcuk | fcrochik, they all use meego core :) | 16:00 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, a generic database app | 16:00 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Oh, ok. | 16:00 |
| fiferboy | I thought you meant the sex finder app | 16:00 |
| lcuk | the sex finder app would be one use of it lol | 16:00 |
| fiferboy | There is a pretty good (last time I tried it) generic database program called PortaBase | 16:00 |
| Myrtti | oh good grief | 16:01 |
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| fcrochik | lcuk: granted I don't know what I am talking about... the netbook exeperience doesn't sound more like one application "the toolbar" that runs several other applications (one for each tab)... wouldn't just be a matter of starting that or the mobile (assuming there is a counterpart)? | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | fcrochik, sure, but how. which repos need configuring for each, which apps need installing, is there already a switcher component in the login stuff, etc | 16:04 |
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| fcrochik | lcuk: the repos is very easy (we know already)....applications I could even get a list from one running mobile ... of course, we could just find someone that actually knows about this :) | 16:07 |
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| slaine | lcuk, sorry, was at lunch | 16:39 |
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| slaine | re multiUX, it's totally possible atm | 16:39 |
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| slaine | iirc, you simply have to change the /etc/sysconfig/UXLAUNCHER config to tell it which one to start | 16:40 |
| slaine | you could then probably issue a telinit 3 followed by a telinit 5 | 16:40 |
| slaine | haven't tried it yet | 16:40 |
| slaine | but was talking to some of the intel handset dev team and that's roughly what they do to switch between UX's | 16:40 |
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| slaine | haven't had time to play with that on mine as of yet | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | interesting, thanks slaine | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | btw, who on the teams were you talking to, are they on irc? | 16:43 |
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| slaine | Yeah, shane, sabotage on irc | 16:44 |
| slaine | nice guy | 16:44 |
| lcuk | cool beans | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | i wonder whether inverse would be possible? netbook ux on n900 :) | 16:45 |
| slaine | if the packages are there, I don't see why not | 16:45 |
| slaine | Clutter works well on that hardware | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | that was my thinking too :) | 16:45 |
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| slaine | lcuk, I've got a stock n900 setup, PR1.3 (wifi only). Where's a good resource to go for an n900 n00b | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | the normal place slaine http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 16:49 |
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| slaine | Well, I meant from the perspective of a regular user on a stock n900 | 16:50 |
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| slaine | I'll be doing the MeeGo thing on it once I've gotten to know maemo5 a little better (and my sdhc card arrives) | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | slaine, were you meaning from a maemo perspective | 16:58 |
| lcuk | if so, install cloudgps :) it shows nicely how slick mapping should work | 16:58 |
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| Savago | Good morning. | 17:00 |
| GAN900 | OK, how do I murder the stupid floating Twitter bar? | 17:01 |
| slaine | lcuk, nice plug :) | 17:01 |
| lcuk | GAN900, greasemonkey | 17:01 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, that doesn't count. | 17:01 |
| lcuk | GAN900, its coming server side | 17:02 |
| Savago | I got a question about AppUp context. What needs to be first submitted is just an abstract? | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | slaine, its not a plug, its a simple fact - the ux and smoothness the developer managed to achieve is awesome. | 17:03 |
| * lcuk was talking to him lots at the conf | 17:03 | |
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| slaine | cool | 17:04 |
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| sabotage | lcuk: what slaine said, add session=/usr/bin/mcompositor to /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch and comment out the mutter entry, then telinit 3; telinit5; and poof, handset on netbook ;) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | morn sabotage | 17:53 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Nice holiday? | 17:54 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I hope you didn't miss us too much :) | 17:54 |
| lcuk | sabotage, :) awesome | 17:54 |
| lcuk | thanks | 17:54 |
| sabotage | assuming you have done something akin to zypper in -t pattern handset-desktop (or w'ever the pattern/group is called) | 17:54 |
| slaine | Omg, it's mirage, i'm telling ye'all it's sabotage | 17:54 |
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| sabotage | MoRpHeUz: Stskeeps | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | sabotage: not enough caffeine i see | 17:55 |
| sabotage | heh | 17:55 |
| sabotage | funny you should call me a mirage slaine... it's my secondary nick | 17:55 |
| slaine | bboys fan by any chance ? | 17:56 |
| sabotage | none yet as a matter of fact Stskeeps ... water just boiled | 17:56 |
| sabotage | prolly not slaine | 17:56 |
| slaine | :) | 17:56 |
| sabotage | since I don't know what bboys is | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | beastie boys? :P | 17:56 |
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| slaine | yup | 17:56 |
| slaine | that line above is from the beastie boys song sabotage | 17:57 |
| sabotage | ah, yeah, not the first time someone asked me about the beasties | 17:58 |
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| sabotage | I should have recognized it | 17:58 |
| lelosh | somebody,please help me,how can i run virtual MeeGo on machine without VT-x? :( | 17:58 |
| sabotage | then again, I am sana-coffee ATM | 17:58 |
| sabotage | s/sana/sans/ | 17:59 |
| infobot | sabotage meant: then again, I am sans-coffee ATM | 17:59 |
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| sabotage | well slaine, Stskeeps, lcuk: time for you to knock off and tip up a few pints this friday night | 18:18 |
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| sabotage | and it's time for me to hop on the V-Strom and motor into the office | 18:19 |
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| slaine | sounds like a plan | 18:19 |
| lcuk | sabotage, :) if you could perhaps spend some time actively writing up a wiki page about that translation from meego netbook to handset it would be awesome | 18:20 |
| lcuk | and i would raise a glass for you in a few minutes :$ | 18:20 |
| sabotage | file a bug lcuk ;) | 18:20 |
| sabotage | :P | 18:20 |
| lcuk | its not a bug | 18:20 |
| sabotage | nod | 18:20 |
| lcuk | i will however file a request for information | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 | 18:27 |
| lcuk | sabotage, ^ | 18:27 |
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| lbt | Rene_gs: here is good... Community OBS right? what are you planning on doing there? | 18:28 |
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| Rene_gs | well as start I'm getting started on Meego and I'm planing to get involved in the Meego development, so I need to be able to build my own packages | 18:30 |
| lbt | opensource? | 18:31 |
| Rene_gs | yes, of course | 18:31 |
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| lbt | you'd be very surprised :) | 18:31 |
| lbt | we've had companies and people wanting closed app dev places | 18:32 |
| lbt | hence the quick sanity check :) | 18:32 |
| lbt | btw... gary mentioned a user with a long username who was planning to change it... not you? | 18:32 |
| fcrochik | lcuk: it got my vote! :) | 18:33 |
| lcuk | thanks fcrochik :D | 18:33 |
| Rene_gs | well, yesterday I requested to fix a typo in my user name and appears that it was a big name | 18:33 |
| Rene_gs | for some one | 18:33 |
| lbt | the only reason I ask is that if you change your username tonight then we'll need to clean up the OBS by hand | 18:34 |
| lbt | and that's a pita | 18:34 |
| Rene_gs | this is: renegonzalezsalinas, if this need toi be short the just in ca be change I guess | 18:34 |
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| lbt | hey, if you like it then that's fine.... | 18:34 |
| Rene_gs | I don't have an OBS account yet | 18:34 |
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| lbt | yeah it's the same as the meego.com one | 18:34 |
| lbt | when I enable you it'll 'appear' | 18:35 |
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| lbt | like I say... if you're planning on changing it then please wait | 18:36 |
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| lbt | otherwise we'll go ahead and enable it | 18:36 |
| fcrochik | lbt: hi... I tried to write a quick for how to use your OBS repository: http://wiki.meego.com/OBS_-_User_Home .... it would be great if someone could review it | 18:36 |
| lbt | fcrochik: thanks | 18:36 |
| fcrochik | lbt: I also added a link on http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started | 18:36 |
| fcrochik | lbt: it is far from great but hopefully will help someone upset enough to review it :) | 18:37 |
| lcuk | burchr, you bastard. i have tears in my eyes. | 18:37 |
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| Rene_gs | lbt: appears that some account name like "Rene_gs" breakes the Meego naming convention, so I think it'll fine to me as is on Meego | 18:38 |
| lbt | renegonzalezsalinas not found in ldap | 18:38 |
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| Chani | wuh. the wiki doesn't like my password. | 18:41 |
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| Rene_gs | well nop prety sure what "ldap" is but I just login in my Meego account | 18:41 |
| Rene_gs | "renegonzalezsalinas" | 18:41 |
| Chani | and there's no password recovery link. yay! | 18:41 |
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| lbt | Rene_gs: that's not recognised... I'll have to look into it | 18:42 |
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| Chani | ...but I can log into meego.com with that same password and it gets me into the wiki. | 18:42 |
| Chani | weiird. | 18:42 |
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| GAN900 | Chani, broken SSO. | 18:45 |
| GAN900 | Gotta login through the main site, then the wiki will work. | 18:45 |
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| Rene_gs | lbt: Ok, if needed http://meego.com/users/renegonzalezsalinas. In hope the issue is not due to the lenght of the name. If that is the case then just get it short like "renegzs" | 18:46 |
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| Chani | fcrochik: I edited http://wiki.meego.com/OBS_-_User_Home to be clearer english, can you check that I interpreted everything correctly? :) | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | Chani, when I see the KDE videos on the net running on the ideapad, are they running KDE ontop of meego core, or are they specific wide kde distro? | 18:49 |
| fcrochik | Chani: Seems good to me but again I know what I am suppose to do... we will know when someone decides to use the instructions... by any change do you know how to tell the wiki to not make the http:// into a link? (on the sudo zypper http://...) | 18:50 |
| lbt | Chani: fcrochik: url is bad | 18:50 |
| Chani | lcuk: meego core. :) at the time it was stuff notmart compiled locally, but I think by now there are community packages... | 18:51 |
| fcrochik | lbt: I couldn't figure out how to avoid it | 18:51 |
| lbt | also these are known as PPAs on ubuntu.... we may need a similar term | 18:51 |
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| leinir | Yeah, the packages are... i think still in Mek's OBS home, but in a shared subproject... if memory serves, which it likely doesn't ;) | 18:51 |
| Chani | lbt: bad how? | 18:51 |
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| lcuk | Chani, great stuff, the bug I mentioned before bug 10874 would also be of use to you guys then I suppose | 18:51 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, NEW, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 18:51 |
| fcrochik | lbt: If I may suggest the "repository" name was confusing for me on the OBS... It would make much more sense to me if it was called "TARGET" or something like that | 18:52 |
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| Chani | *before* 10874? | 18:52 |
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| Chani | leinir: we should probably get around to telling people those packages exist... :) | 18:52 |
| lcuk | Chani, sorry, missing puntuation - "mentioned before, bug ..." | 18:52 |
| lcuk | c | 18:53 |
| notmart | Chani, lcuk: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home:mkruisselbrink:kde | 18:53 |
| * lcuk gives up and gets a pint | 18:53 | |
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| * Chani nudges notmart towards bug 10874 | 18:53 | |
| slaine | I've to wade through 2 feet of snow to get to my garden shed where my beer is | 18:53 |
| slaine | I reckon it's worth it | 18:53 |
| Chani | oh nice, your bot knows not to spam :) | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | Chani, more likely it does not read /me action lines | 18:54 |
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| notmart | yeah, good one | 18:54 |
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| Chani | doh | 18:54 |
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| Chani | hmm. I have this vague feeling I was *doing* something... | 18:55 |
| notmart | i did almost successfully made it boot into kdm to have choose-able sessions at login, but the version in packages is still a tad broken | 18:55 |
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| Chani | notmart: oh hey, someone just posted on the ml about a compilance spec. probably something we should read up on (and go to the meetings for) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | if you're based on meego core, it's a good step ahead | 19:02 |
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| mwichmann | Chani: that was me... you'll be welcome | 19:02 |
| lcuk | notmart, please add comments and additional info onto the bug, the experience with trying alternatives is important to the documentation | 19:03 |
| Chani | mwichmann: cool :) | 19:03 |
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| notmart | Chani: eh, yeah | 19:03 |
| notmart | lcuk: ok, sure :) | 19:03 |
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| notmart | Stskeeps: yep, it adds stuff on top of it, doesn't remove anything | 19:04 |
| * Chani still isn't quite sure what meego core actually contains, and what's just meego-netbook | 19:05 | |
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| Stskeeps | mwichmann: i'd suggest a 72hr agenda lockdown, option for submitting your opinion through mail before meeting and the 'sweet spot' where US and EU are still at work (8am portland time?) | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | gives people time to prep and it's not fatal if you can't show up in person | 19:07 |
| mwichmann | 9am for me, that would work fine | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | of course, what matters is the people who has last word in project as nominated as such being able to show up, i think :P | 19:08 |
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| notmart | Chani: i guess a more or less good list could be http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ ? | 19:11 |
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| Chani | I suppose tht works ;) | 19:13 |
| leinir | Chani: *giggles* Yeah, i think that's probably an idea... Not too widely, as they after all are still somewhat experimental, but... i mean, they work and stuff, so... :) | 19:14 |
| Chani | notmart: webkit-gtk is in there, though. that's odd | 19:14 |
| Chani | maybe it's part of chromium..? but I thought they had their own webkit | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | Chani, notmart: http://wiki.meego.com/images/MeeGo-Compliance-Spec-1.0.99.5.pdf | 19:15 |
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| w00t_ | mesb | 19:16 |
| w00t_ | oops | 19:16 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: will take a look :) | 19:17 |
| mwichmann | should also have a bugzilla category for the spec at some point | 19:18 |
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| Chani | mwichmann: 3.2.1 in that pdf suggests that if an application depends on something that's not part of core or the UX, it has to include it inside its package. does that mean compilant applications have to come as one single package, they can't split themselve into >1 packages with dependencies? (say, a project with two UI options and a common core, that wants that common core to be in a separate package that the other two depend on) | 19:27 |
| Chani | maybe I'm overthinking this, maybe apps won't care | 19:27 |
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| Chani | but, it kinda makes it sound like you're not allowed to package plugins for a non-core app, either | 19:28 |
| Chani | because the pluins would depend on your app package, which is a non-core package, making the plugins not meego compliant | 19:28 |
| Chani | even if your application is... | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | Chani, you are right. to allow sale of a single kde app, you have to include the whole of kde in the package. | 19:35 |
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| Chani | lcuk: which defeats half the point of RPM. | 19:36 |
| Chani | weird, gstreamer and PA are *both* core? | 19:37 |
| slaine | why is that weird | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | Playback and routing aren't the same thing. ;) | 19:38 |
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| Robot101 | and gstreamer does a lot more than playback | 19:39 |
| * Chani always got the impression they were competitors :) | 19:39 | |
| mwichmann | Chani: this is a sore point anyway | 19:39 |
| Chani | mwichmann: mmkay. moving on then ;) | 19:39 |
| Chani | mwichmann: wait, you mean audio or that packaging clause? | 19:39 |
| Robot101 | not a sore point at all, pulseaudio never intended to do any decoding, encoding, file types, payloading/depayloading, streaming, video, pictures... | 19:39 |
| slaine | I think he meant the packaging clause | 19:40 |
| w00t | Robot101: i think mwichmann means the compliance stuff | 19:40 |
| Robot101 | ah :) | 19:40 |
| mwichmann | packaging: it seems unfortunate that apps which can handle deps out of a repo, /if/ they have one, won't be compliant | 19:40 |
| w00t | oh lurrr, too slow again | 19:40 |
| Chani | ah | 19:40 |
| Robot101 | yeah the packaging stuff is unique and innovative :P | 19:40 |
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| Chani | mwichmann: yes, it seems very unfortunate | 19:40 |
| mwichmann | but people are worried to handle the "app store" case where things are restricted, and there are no system repos necessarily | 19:40 |
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| Chani | surely the app store could be made to add a repo... *sigh* | 19:41 |
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| mwichmann | well for most people now, the "operating system" gets delivered as a blob over-the-air for phones | 19:42 |
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| mwichmann | it's not refreshed from a repo pkg by pkg | 19:42 |
| lcuk | plenty of over the air blobs at the moment | 19:42 |
| mwichmann | I think this is the model people were looking at | 19:42 |
| lcuk | local kids are having fun with snowballs | 19:42 |
| Chani | huh | 19:42 |
| Chani | lcuk: hehe :) | 19:42 |
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| Chani | mwichmann: it seems odd for it to apply to apps regardless of whether they're in an app store, though | 19:44 |
| Chani | mwichmann: wait a sec | 19:44 |
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| Chani | mwichmann: wouldnt this make it impossible for Angry Birds to sell extra levels? those depend on the angry birds game itself, which isn't in core | 19:44 |
| Chani | unless they make the user redownload the game as well whenever they buy more levels | 19:44 |
| Chani | ...they probably do, don't they :P | 19:45 |
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| mwichmann | yes, I've thought of that issue | 19:46 |
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| mwichmann | don't have an answer | 19:46 |
| Chani | mrr. | 19:46 |
| mwichmann | angry birds has just updated the game, but I've seen a number of android apps that are "additive" | 19:46 |
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| mwichmann | say ColorDict: you get the app, and then a bunch of addons | 19:47 |
| Chani | it's not a particularly complicated dependency. they're plugins | 19:47 |
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| mwichmann | which are meaningless without the base app | 19:47 |
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| mwichmann | I think in theory those are illegal as our spec is worded | 19:48 |
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| Chani | would it be reasonable for a very, very simpilstic dep framework to be in the app store? like, a package can say it's an addon for $other-package ? | 19:48 |
| lcuk | Chani, the angry birds problem was one of the first highlighted | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | and since I saw something about just how much angry birds sells think it needs sorting | 19:48 |
| Chani | yeah, I think so too :) | 19:48 |
| Chani | leinir: d'you have any thoghts on this? | 19:49 |
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| * Chani doesn't know much about packaging *or* app stores, really | 19:49 | |
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| leinir | Yes, we really do need some sort of dependency system... | 19:49 |
| Chani | leinir: does OCS have any? | 19:50 |
| Chani | it's more designed for plugins alone, for apps you get from a real package manager, afaik | 19:50 |
| leinir | It has something, but... it's more informational than anything - it's something which has been mentioned for OCS 2 | 19:50 |
| Chani | ah | 19:50 |
| Chani | informational could work, maybe, though. | 19:51 |
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| * mwichmann has to vanish for a while, if this discussion goes somewhere, would be cool if someone collected a summary | 19:51 | |
| sabotage | lcuk: (anyone) any opinions on where in the meego wikisphere you's expect to find info about switching desktops? | 19:51 |
| * Chani should probably vanish too | 19:51 | |
| Chani | sabotage: define "switching desktops" :) | 19:52 |
| dneary | Hi Chani | 19:52 |
| Chani | you mean zones? or UX's? | 19:52 |
| Chani | dneary: yo :) | 19:52 |
| dneary | Chani, He means "moving to GNOME" | 19:52 |
| Chani | ...waiiit. I was leaving. darnit. | 19:52 |
| dneary | ;) | 19:52 |
| sabotage | sure, I am not asking for names though... but *logical* locations in the wiki structure... | 19:52 |
| Chani | dneary: ah, UX's then. there's a url somewhere in the backscroll.. | 19:53 |
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| sabotage | otherwise I'll just create it at the top of the namespace and let others organize it | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | It's unfortunate MeeGo's pandering so much to anti-consumer interests. | 19:53 |
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| Chani | sabotage: oh. so you know about https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 already? | 19:53 |
| dneary | Chani, I was joking... | 19:53 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, NEW, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 19:53 |
| dneary | Chani, Never mind :) | 19:53 |
| Chani | oh. | 19:53 |
| Chani | doh :) | 19:54 |
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| dneary | Is there anyone here who has an issue with multiple computers connected to the same email account, both of which you regularly need to manipulate offline? | 19:54 |
| sabotage | Chani: nod | 19:54 |
| dneary | IMAP doesn't quite do it for me in the offline department | 19:55 |
| dneary | I'd like something where I can move emails around, and have those mvoes synced when I get back online | 19:55 |
| Chani | dneary: if you get a solution, tell me. I haven't tried disconnected imap in a long time, and by now I've got too much mail anyways. | 19:55 |
| * Chani would like semi-disconnectted-imap, where I can mark just a couple of folders to keep available offline | 19:56 | |
| dneary | I think the solution will end up being "stay connected all the time" | 19:56 |
| dneary | Which sucks | 19:56 |
| dneary | Chani, You can do that in Thunderbird | 19:56 |
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| Chani | oh, cool | 19:56 |
| Chani | dneary: then, um, what's your problem? :) | 19:56 |
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| dneary | Chani, If I move an email from one offline folder to another, it tries to move it on the server | 19:58 |
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| dneary | Which it can't do if I'm offline | 19:58 |
| Chani | ahh. | 19:58 |
| Robot101 | dneary: offlineimap can help you | 19:59 |
| Robot101 | dneary: but it's not exactly lovely gui ness | 20:00 |
| * Chani thinks kmail's disconnected-imap might be able to do that, but isn't sure | 20:00 | |
| Robot101 | dneary: it's a terrifying python blinkenlights thing which syncs local maildirs/mboxes to your imap account, including moves and deletes | 20:00 |
| Chani | and kmail's not really the greatest solution for imap at the moment anyways | 20:00 |
| Robot101 | all you need then is a client that handles maildirs or mboxes | 20:00 |
| Chani | ahh, I think someone suggested that to me once :) | 20:01 |
| dneary | Robot101, Thanks | 20:01 |
| dneary | Robot101, It seems like this stuff should be really easy | 20:01 |
| Robot101 | it sometimes crashes | 20:01 |
| Robot101 | and if you configure it wrong, it can delete all your mail | 20:01 |
| dneary | Robot101, I imagine it like a transactional database, or like git | 20:01 |
| dneary | Store actions pocally, push when you get back online | 20:01 |
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| dneary | If there's a conflict, ask the user to resolve | 20:02 |
| dneary | Done | 20:02 |
| Robot101 | (mostly, if you delete all of your mail locally, and then re-run it without clearing its state, it will dutifully delete all your mail off the server too) | 20:02 |
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| Robot101 | a "this seems totally empty" sanity check might be useful :D | 20:02 |
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| w00t | Robot101: you sound like you speak from experience :) | 20:04 |
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| dneary | Robot101, That sounds like what you'd want it to do, though. | 20:07 |
| Robot101 | maybe after a sanity check :) | 20:08 |
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| lbt | nbrouard: here is fine... Community OBS right? what are you planning on doing there? | 20:18 |
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| Rene_gs | lbt: Any update on my request about joining to OBS | 20:22 |
| lbt | nope I'm still working | 20:22 |
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| nbrouard | lbt: sorry, I was disturbed. I'm planning to develop a speech input method plugin over the speech framework. | 20:35 |
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| lbt | nbrouard: OK - open source? | 20:36 |
| nbrouard | yes it will be open source | 20:37 |
| lbt | hmm. another ldap failure | 20:37 |
| lbt | how old is your account ? | 20:37 |
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| lbt | actually... what is your meego account ? | 20:37 |
| nbrouard | lbt: 2 hours 7 min | 20:37 |
| lbt | hehe | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: am i seeing things or is OBS manually adding %changelog to the .spec in a srpm, from .changes? | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | nbrouard, what are you doing again, i didn't quite hear you | 20:38 |
| lbt | probably | 20:38 |
| lbt | it also updates the %release and %build iirc | 20:39 |
| nbrouard | luck: I'm working for Nuance, developping a new input method with speech recognition | 20:39 |
| lbt | nbrouard: lcuk has a british sense of humour ;) | 20:39 |
| nbrouard | lol | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | nbrouard, cool stuff look forward to hearing all about it :) | 20:40 |
| nbrouard | Yes it will be cool | 20:40 |
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| lbt | nbrouard: done | 20:49 |
| nbrouard | Thank you | 20:49 |
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| lbt | nb there may be OBS access issues over the next few minutes ... I need to twiddle the ldap server | 20:49 |
| nbrouard | I'm able to log in | 20:50 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, on the news was something about a proposal to change the UK from GMT to CET | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, are they moving the greenwich time line into europe? | 20:59 |
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| CosmoHill | greenwich time will stay where it is by the UK would move to european time | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | but* | 21:00 |
| RST38h | Does it count as humiliation? =) | 21:00 |
| lcuk | wont everyones clock be wrong? | 21:00 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd assume people know how to change their own clocks | 21:01 |
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| sabotage | Pr4y4llw4y$ | 21:03 |
| hena | always good to type your password in irc | 21:03 |
| hena | :) | 21:03 |
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| GAN900 | ********** | 21:18 |
| GAN900 | Isn't it, though? | 21:18 |
| berndhs | well, how else would people know your password, if you don't tell them | 21:18 |
| auke | GAN900: dammit that's my password! | 21:19 |
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| CosmoHill | auke: I thought it was "Password1!" | 21:34 |
| lcuk | "surprisingly that has a mix of upper/lower/numerics and symbols, however you cannot use this password because you repeated some letters." | 21:35 |
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| CosmoHill | okay I'll replace one of the Ses with a 5 | 21:35 |
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| sabotage | Pr4y4llw4y$ | 21:45 |
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| niala | hey CosmoHill reading fc ? | 21:59 |
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| CosmoHill | might be playing tomorrow, it depends on the weather | 22:00 |
| loc1 | have any one here installed OBS 1.8? | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | use 2.1 | 22:02 |
| * sabotage kicks $%^#$%^ ATI driver... }X^( | 22:02 | |
| * auke giggles | 22:03 | |
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| * RevdKathy is bored | 22:04 | |
| loc1 | Stskeeps: I have followed that instruction | 22:04 |
| loc1 | Stskeeps: 2.1 I have problems on schedule | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: time to make meego grafitti on the walls of your town? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | loc1: probably easier to fix than 1.8 | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:05 |
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| niala | for stressed developper http://www.cupsizechoir.com/?K=1 | 22:05 |
| CosmoHill | oh dear lord | 22:06 |
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| RevdKathy | Sadly, I'm not artistic enough to make grafitti meegos | 22:06 |
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| kaushik | is there a place where I can find detailed info about the Meego Graphics architecture ? | 22:07 |
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| kaushik | in terms of layers from top to bottom? | 22:07 |
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| loc1 | Stskeeps: 1.8, when I create a project, it gives illegal character in key "obs-webclient:Collection-whatrequestpredicatestate/@name='new' and action/target/@project='abc' | 22:09 |
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| kaushik | What package is X11 client in meego source? | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, knit some and superglue them around? | 22:12 |
| niala | kaushik: you mean xorg ? | 22:13 |
| RevdKathy | I was planning to knit meegons - not got around to it. I'll think about that. :D | 22:13 |
| kaushik | yes | 22:14 |
| kaushik | niala: yes | 22:14 |
| lbt | RevdKathy: if you make a pattern be sure to publish it :) | 22:14 |
| RevdKathy | I will :-) | 22:14 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Who do I talk to about my OBS account? :) | 22:15 |
| lbt | me | 22:15 |
| lbt | wassup ? | 22:15 |
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| lbt | did it just break ? | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | lbt: No, I never had one enabled | 22:15 |
| niala | kaushik: xorg-x11-server 1.9.0-4.6 or if you want ux is http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 22:18 |
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| kaushik | U mean to say that .. .x11 server package has x11 client in it | 22:19 |
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| kaushik | I know for sure that x11 client lib is libx11 | 22:19 |
| lbt | fiferboy: minute | 22:19 |
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| niala | kaushik: http://repo.meego.com/ | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, yes | 23:02 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk yes? | 23:02 |
| RevdKathy | the Guinness? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, the game would be better if it was fullscreen | 23:04 |
| lbt | fiferboy: phew | 23:04 |
| lbt | try that | 23:04 |
| RevdKathy | the patience? It's neat - sits on my lap and I can poke the cards | 23:04 |
| lcuk | yeah indeed | 23:04 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Logged in! | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | Thanks | 23:05 |
| lbt | needed to migrate the ldap, put in a new cert and change the config on the OBS | 23:05 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Is everything done in build.pub.meego.com public by default? | 23:06 |
| lbt | yes | 23:07 |
| lbt | it's mandatory | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | lbt, lcuk and other english people, micheal macentyre on bbc1 | 23:07 |
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| lbt | CosmoHill: :) | 23:08 |
| * lbt looks at his table | 23:08 | |
| lbt | no cash : | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | ah not more tables | 23:08 |
| * lcuk has no tv on this floor of the house | 23:08 | |
| CosmoHill | iplayer live view? | 23:09 |
| * RevdKathy is watching the cricket highlights | 23:09 | |
| lbt | RevdKathy: nah... this is better | 23:10 |
| * GAN900 misses baseball. | 23:10 | |
| RevdKathy | it'd better be, lbt | 23:10 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: We just re-signed another pitcher | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, who? | 23:11 |
| fiferboy | McGowan | 23:12 |
| GAN900 | $450k | 23:13 |
| GAN900 | He's practically minimum wage! | 23:14 |
| fiferboy | He has been injured the last couple years | 23:14 |
| fiferboy | Great upside though, if healthy | 23:14 |
| auke | ./topic #meego-sports ? | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | auke, yes. | 23:17 |
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| GAN900 | auke, unless you've got something better to talk about | 23:17 |
| * lbt prefers #meego-macentyre | 23:17 | |
| * CosmoHill can spell sports | 23:18 | |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, next season is looking more terrible by the day. | 23:18 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Oh? Arbitration taking a hit? | 23:19 |
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| auke | GAN900: how about this sreadahead bug I'm trying to figure out? :) | 23:19 |
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| GAN900 | "Rebuilding year" I gess. | 23:23 |
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| GAN900 | Nobody's signing | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | Bullpen's gutted. | 23:24 |
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| GAN900 | auke, boooorriiing | 23:29 |
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| CosmoHill | computer user's hate this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465116832735&set=a.465116407735.253312.9508712735#!/photo.php?fbid=465117367735&set=a.465116407735.253312.9508712735&pid=5901864&id=9508712735 | 23:32 |
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