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| mikecomputing | anyone here who has tesed meego on an HP 210 I dont know if my problem is related to kernel but the damn fan sound kinda wierd even if top says CPU is idle. | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | tongue in cheek question: | 00:16 |
| lcuk | has anyone asked RMS whether we should be GNU/MeeGo? | 00:16 |
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| tripzero | lol | 00:17 |
| tripzero | shouldn't it technically be GNU + Linux | 00:17 |
| tripzero | cuz the '/' operator means something entirely different here | 00:17 |
| lcuk | GNU/Linux/MeeGo? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | tripzero, its all C++ so the operator can be anything he likes. | 00:18 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, how much GNU are we actually using. :P | 00:55 |
| lcuk | i don;t GNU, do you? | 00:55 |
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| GAN900 | GNU. | 00:56 |
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| qgil | $75 x 3 months for a Windows Phone 7 banner at http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/ - what to do, what to do... ;) | 01:04 |
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| sivang | qgil: go for it :) | 01:05 |
| sivang | 3 months is a lot ;) | 01:06 |
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| GAN900 | qgil, I dig the squinty-face profile picture. | 01:11 |
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| qgil | GAN900: comes from an automated email from meetup.com - looks like we are generating some interesting stats, at least worth $225 to someone. ;) | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | Competition is good, right? ;) | 01:14 |
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| Myrtti | take the money and donate it to linux foundation ;-) | 01:14 |
| qgil | GAN900: yeah, let me add the WP7 add for $225 and then ask MeeGo for a better bid | 01:14 |
| qgil | Myrtti: also an idea | 01:15 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 01:15 |
| Myrtti | or donate it to other meego meetups to cover their meetup.com costs :-P | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | Donate it to the meetup beer fund. | 01:15 |
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| GAN900 | Everyone enjoys irony. | 01:16 |
| Myrtti | although ours is taken care of now by others than my personal credit card | 01:16 |
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| mpoirier | Can someone point me out to a wiki that will tell me how to compile the n900 meego kernel. | 01:55 |
| mpoirier | I've been here: http://wiki.meego.com/Recompile_kernel | 01:55 |
| mpoirier | and got the kernel-2.6.35.3-10.3.src.rpm file. | 01:55 |
| mpoirier | I'm sure you guys have a way of automatically applying the pathes. | 01:55 |
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| Jun | hi | 02:11 |
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| odin_ | ali1234, thanks for the link | 02:12 |
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| Jet_ | Hello, Is lbt online? | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Jet_: try /whois lbt | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | or /whois lbt lbt | 02:19 |
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| Jun | I'm trying to add a meego core to an obs repository but it's saying 'Failed to add build targets: ... ... : does not exist'. I believe I typed a correct directory name, can anyone give any adivce? | 02:19 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: how's your doomed support case going | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | my mac ran out of power | 02:34 |
| sp3000 | heh | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | when i got home i downloaded iTunes 10.1 dmg and installed it | 02:34 |
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| Jun | In OBS, how can I start it to build? | 03:36 |
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| Jun | It doesn't seem like doing automatically. | 03:37 |
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| csdb | Jun, when you commit changes it will start automatically | 03:42 |
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| Jun | Yes, it sould but my obs isn't.. the Build Status is still 'no build result available' | 03:43 |
| csdb | I've never seen that status - have you build anything in this project? | 03:44 |
| Jun | No, that's what I'm trying to do now.. | 03:44 |
| csdb | do you have a repository for the project? | 03:45 |
| Jun | sure, a meego | 03:45 |
| Jun | hmm.. | 03:45 |
| Jun | I added a rpm at the 'Source Files' | 03:45 |
| csdb | and in the repository page do you see the build flag set? | 03:46 |
| Jun | so you mean, now it should build it automatically and the result will be shown in the 'build status', right? | 03:46 |
| Jun | absolutely yes. I can see | 03:46 |
| csdb | yes, as soon as it sees any change (assuming that the repositories are set and all that) then it triggers a rebuild | 03:46 |
| csdb | adding files/modifying files all trigger rebuilds | 03:46 |
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| csdb | what do you mean that you added rpm to source files? | 03:48 |
| csdb | You need a spec file + tarball + possibly some patches in the source files, not an rpm | 03:48 |
| Jun | aha! | 03:48 |
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| Jun | are those meego specific? | 03:49 |
| csdb | nope - that's how you build rpms. Your input is the tarball + the specfile which tells it what to do, and the output is the binary rpm(s) + source rpm | 03:49 |
| Jun | ok I'll look at it, thank you so much for the help | 03:50 |
| csdb | at the bottom of obs webui there's usually a couple of links with info: "Building packages" and "Writing spec files" | 03:50 |
| Jun | hm.. | 03:51 |
| csdb | you probably want to read through those if you don't have experience with rpm building/specfile writing | 03:51 |
| Jun | do I need to write the spec file by hand? acutally what I'm trying to test is just one of a meego core | 03:51 |
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| csdb | if it is a public package then there probably already is a specfile for it | 03:51 |
| Jun | true.. | 03:52 |
| Jun | so it's werid | 03:52 |
| Jun | :( | 03:52 |
| Jun | it should be built automatically | 03:52 |
| csdb | If you have a source rpm you can use osc (the command-line interface to obs) to extract the tarball+specfile+patches from the sources | 03:52 |
| csdb | you need to give it instructions on how to build it... | 03:52 |
| Jun | hmm.. so if the rpm already has the tarball + spec + patches inside of itself, I just need to upload only the file? | 03:53 |
| Jun | or even though, do I need to extract it and upload separatly? | 03:53 |
| csdb | nope - the output of obs is rpms, both binary and source rpms. | 03:53 |
| csdb | For input it only accepts the tarball+specfile+patches | 03:54 |
| csdb | but you can get those if you have the source rpm | 03:54 |
| Jun | by extracting it, right? | 03:54 |
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| csdb | just extract it locally (if you don't have osc installed) using rpm, something like "rpm -i file-src.rpm" | 03:54 |
| csdb | and upload the files that it extracts into obs | 03:54 |
| csdb | if you got the source rpm from meego it should just work | 03:55 |
| csdb | if you got it from somewhere else you might have to tweak the specfile | 03:55 |
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| npm | is it possible to run QtMobility 1.2 Video Capture on n900/Meego 1.1 ?? ( http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/multimedia.html#video-clips ) and if so, how? | 04:03 |
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| npm | (alternately, how would I do video or still camera capture with existing Meego 1.1 on n900 ?) | 04:05 |
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| rowjelio | hello? | 04:13 |
| rowjelio | anyone there? | 04:13 |
| chriadam | npm: I think multimedia support in terms of camera stuff was added to Mobility in 1.1 | 04:13 |
| rowjelio | I am having a problem running the KQEmu in windows 7 | 04:13 |
| rowjelio | would there be someone here that can helpo? | 04:14 |
| rowjelio | when I run QTCreator, I get "Can't connect to QEMU" | 04:14 |
| rowjelio | even though I started the KQEmu server | 04:14 |
| rowjelio | would there be anyone here who has installed the meego SDK for windows ? | 04:14 |
| chriadam | npm: so if you follow instructions on building and installing 1.1 you could probably get it working (via the GStreamer backend) in MeeGo Handset on N900 - although I've never tried, and it might not work I dunno. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1/ | 04:15 |
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| rowjelio | well I think my problem might be with the installation of KQEmu | 04:15 |
| npm | i see that http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/multimedia.html#video-clips indicates it's supported in 1.1, so that's good. Does it work in practice? | 04:15 |
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| rowjelio | I changed the ".NT" with nothing, because I am using windows 7 | 04:16 |
| rowjelio | then I use net start to start the service, and it indiciates that it started successfully | 04:16 |
| npm | is gstreamer backend on meego handset the right way to go, given that qtmobility claims to support it directly? | 04:16 |
| rowjelio | but in QT creator, it says it cant connect to KQEMU. I'm wondering if this could be a permissions problem? or maybe where I have placed KQEmu is not the right spot? | 04:17 |
| rowjelio | I'm sure if I met someone who had a working copy of QT creator with the Meego emulation, I could compare installation locations and make it work. | 04:20 |
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| rowjelio | how can there be so many people in here and no one saying a dam thing. lol. | 04:22 |
| npm | chriadam: would i invoke gstreamer backend via http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/service-frameworks.html#out-of-process-services in a Qt application for Meego/n900? ... also, http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/358 states "Currently there are two gstreamer camera backends on linux:the camerabin based one (you have to install gst-plugins-bad and gst-photography, this backend is used on N900), and the mediacapture backend which | 04:22 |
| npm | builds capture pipeline itself. The advanced camera controls like QCameraExposureControl require gst-photographyand are available only in the camerabin case." | 04:22 |
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| npm | rowjelio: sorry, but i only know linux/unix well enough to help... | 04:24 |
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| rowjelio | <npm> no worries. thanks for the acknowledgement. I posted on the forum.meego.com too, but it's pretty dry there too. | 04:28 |
| rowjelio | I guess the most frustrating part is I followed the instructions to the T, and it just doesnt work | 04:28 |
| rowjelio | and I have yet to encounter someone with the same problem, but at the same time I have yet to encounter someone that even uses it at all | 04:28 |
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| npm | when in doubt, reboot :-) (esp on windows) ... ok off to dinner | 04:29 |
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| thiagoss | rowjelio, you can hop on #gstreamer for help on using camerabin/photography. Camerabin usage should be simple. But I guess your problem is still on the setting up bits | 04:34 |
| Jun | is csdb still here? | 04:35 |
| rowjelio | I just want to get the darn KQEMU working, so I can buil an APP and TEST it | 04:35 |
| rowjelio | do you happen to have a windows machine with the working Meego SDK on it? | 04:35 |
| thiagoss | Sorry, I don't | 04:36 |
| Jun | csdb: I extracted a rpm file and got a tar.gz and .spec and a directory. Which is the 'fatches'? | 04:36 |
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| Texrat | hey GeneralAntilles, are you lost? :p | 04:52 |
| chriadam | rowjelio: different timezones too. gets busier in here in about 3 hours, usually. | 04:52 |
| chriadam | npm: you should be able to invoke the Qt Mobility multimedia-module classes directly after building them + the backends for MeeGo (if that works). ie, those classes internally can use gstreamer to provide the functionality exposed through the API they offer. so, no you shouldn't need to use service framework to use the camerabin backend afaik. I might be wrong. | 04:54 |
| chriadam | maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, I dunno. | 04:54 |
| rowjelio | I see that the windows SDK instructions were update today!!! | 04:54 |
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| rowjelio | i'm gonna give that a try!! | 04:54 |
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| Texrat | hey leinir | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat, installing a new router. | 04:58 |
| Texrat | and that brings you to #meego? | 04:59 |
| Jun | somebody succeeded to build a package on own OBS? | 04:59 |
| Texrat | :D | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me drop connections a lot. ;) | 04:59 |
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| Texrat | I was talking about being here in the first place :P | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, I'm always here. | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are YOU lost? :P | 05:00 |
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| rowjelio | whoa hey texrat | 05:01 |
| rowjelio | I am roger_27 from the maemo forums | 05:01 |
| Texrat | whoa hey rowjelio | 05:01 |
| rowjelio | lol | 05:02 |
| rowjelio | are you a developer by any chance? | 05:02 |
| Texrat | yeah, but not in the meego sense yet | 05:02 |
| rowjelio | whoa what do you develop in? | 05:02 |
| Texrat | must I confess? | 05:03 |
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| * Texrat braces self | 05:03 | |
| Texrat | visual basic | 05:03 |
| rowjelio | whoa vb6 or vb.net? | 05:04 |
| Texrat | every version from vb2 up ;) | 05:04 |
| rowjelio | whoa i'm a C# developer | 05:04 |
| Texrat | whoa and you admit to it | 05:04 |
| Texrat | :p | 05:05 |
| rowjelio | I'm installing the meego SDK right now. I have been trying for days. but the instructions were JUST UPDATED. probably within hours. | 05:05 |
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| rowjelio | well I programmed in Java, VBs, C++, but I am quite happy with C# | 05:05 |
| Texrat | yeah I can't wait to find time to do some Qt work | 05:05 |
| rowjelio | alot less worrying | 05:05 |
| rowjelio | I also do SQL programming I guess. | 05:05 |
| Texrat | yeah I do a lot of SQL too | 05:05 |
| rowjelio | more than stored procs. like functions and junk | 05:05 |
| Texrat | yeah | 05:06 |
| Texrat | I love SQL | 05:06 |
| Texrat | fun stuff | 05:06 |
| rowjelio | this meego SDK forces you to choose ARM development, or X86 development | 05:06 |
| rowjelio | I hate to choose | 05:06 |
| Texrat | stick with Qt sdk ;) | 05:07 |
| rowjelio | well Meego SDK installs QT Creator | 05:07 |
| rowjelio | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows | 05:07 |
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| Texrat | right, but Qt api is higher level than meego api | 05:08 |
| Texrat | stick with the Qt api, and you cover more platforms | 05:08 |
| rowjelio | really? what SDK does one use for the QT API? | 05:08 |
| rowjelio | still QT Creator? | 05:09 |
| Texrat | yes, Qt SDK | 05:09 |
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| rowjelio | I guess my problem is still the same anyways though. my problem I was having, which is what has been taking me days to make work, is getting the dam QEMU to work | 05:10 |
| rowjelio | so that I may test said apps | 05:10 |
| Texrat | rowjelio: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/09/14/nokia-qt-sdk-101-released/ | 05:10 |
| rowjelio | OIC! wow! | 05:12 |
| rowjelio | can created apps work on an emu? | 05:13 |
| rowjelio | and provide debugging? | 05:13 |
| rowjelio | yowza! 925mb! | 05:14 |
| Texrat | rowjelio I beleive so | 05:14 |
| Texrat | have not got that far yet | 05:14 |
| rowjelio | well my Texas Rat-like friend, you have been more help than enyone so far | 05:14 |
| Texrat | lol | 05:14 |
| Texrat | I didn't mean to! | 05:14 |
| rowjelio | I have been going about this all wrong | 05:14 |
| Texrat | yeah, start off sticking to high level | 05:15 |
| rowjelio | I really didn't know because I have no one to talk about this to | 05:15 |
| rowjelio | I thought I was | 05:15 |
| Texrat | well, hang out on Qt forums | 05:15 |
| rowjelio | I thought meego dev would have been something that runs on all meegos | 05:15 |
| Texrat | and Forum Nokia | 05:15 |
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| Texrat | depends on how you define "meego dev" ;) | 05:17 |
| rowjelio | ok I will download this and see what happens. I notice its the exact identical version of the QT creator. but that extra 900 MB must be some kind of OS image or something | 05:17 |
| Texrat | well, the page I linked lists the contents | 05:18 |
| Texrat | a lot of the package is samples and tutorials | 05:18 |
| Texrat | useful ones | 05:18 |
| rowjelio | so meego will run QT 4.7? | 05:18 |
| Texrat | yes | 05:19 |
| Texrat | natively | 05:19 |
| rowjelio | so what would be the purpose of Meego development? if there is QT 4.7 development? | 05:19 |
| rowjelio | I'm so confused. lol | 05:19 |
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| Texrat | yeah, I'm no expert, so I won't pretend to be | 05:20 |
| Texrat | hang out here enough, plenty of meego experts on now and then | 05:20 |
| chriadam | rowjelio: the Qt SDK consists of Qt Creator (IDE) plus Qt (pre-built libs, development header files, and presumably the full source too) plus Qt Mobility. Obviously there will be different versions. It also comes with the Simulator tooling to allow you to develop apps and debug them in a simulator. But it's not true platform emulation, I believe, it's merely simulation, so at some point you _need_ to test your app on the devices to which you're | 05:22 |
| chriadam | deploying. | 05:22 |
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| rowjelio | ah ok. so I think I get it, this url here http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows shows you how to get the meego SDK going, which is essentially QT creator and an n900 meego image | 05:24 |
| rowjelio | and this url here http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html will let you download QT creator and a lite emulation ? | 05:24 |
| rowjelio | but both get you to the same place, because in both cases you end up with QT creator ? | 05:25 |
| chriadam | Qt Creator is an IDE (a fantastic one). | 05:25 |
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| Texrat | yeah Qt Creator is almost up to Visual Studio standards /me ducks | 05:25 |
| chriadam | it in and of itself, does nothing other than provide a nice editing, building and debugging environment, with integrated documentation/help and source repository integration. | 05:25 |
| chriadam | the SDK consists of Qt Creator PLUS the libraries and headers you need to actually develop applications. | 05:26 |
| chriadam | plus some other things like the simulator, etc. | 05:26 |
| Texrat | chriadm I know Qt natively supports Git, but is there a subversion plugin? | 05:26 |
| chriadam | and probably a few things which I'm forgetting. | 05:26 |
| chriadam | Texrat: I'm not sure tbh. I'd guess that there would be but I really don't know. | 05:26 |
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| lcuk | chriadam, did you get yourself an ideapad | 05:49 |
| lcuk | (were you even at the conf) | 05:49 |
| lcuk | hi Texrat btw \o | 05:49 |
| Texrat | hey lcuk | 05:51 |
| lcuk | Texrat, have you tried qt-creator on your ip yet? | 05:53 |
| Texrat | yes | 05:54 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, do you feel it uses the space optimally? | 05:55 |
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| Texrat | lcuk I think it does the best it can | 05:56 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, of course, it manages everything there | 05:57 |
| * lcuk was actually wondering whether removing a few of the lesser used windows and tabs would help (obviously can be reenabled) | 05:57 | |
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| Texrat | lcuk you may have a point | 05:58 |
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| * lcuk just looking | 05:58 | |
| Texrat | lcuk a touchscreen netbook optimized version of Qt creator could look very different | 05:59 |
| lcuk | hmm Texrat the codeeditor opens happily | 05:59 |
| lcuk | its just the .ui designer | 06:00 |
| Texrat | yeah | 06:00 |
| Texrat | I haven't even opened ui designer | 06:00 |
| lcuk | on mind i have a postage stamp preview and a toolbox taking up most space | 06:00 |
| Texrat | does it not work? greyed out for me | 06:00 |
| lcuk | oh, the code editor and tree is fine | 06:00 |
| lcuk | :) happy to edit stuff | 06:00 |
| Texrat | well I'm a visual developer... | 06:00 |
| lcuk | idk, i created a new project and started playing, walked through a gui one | 06:00 |
| Texrat | I need forms! buttons! | 06:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 06:01 | |
| lcuk | ui designer exists :) | 06:01 |
| lcuk | its just not very touchpad/touchscreen friendly! | 06:01 |
| lcuk | splitter bars! | 06:01 |
| lcuk | with a mouse you can gently get to right position and cusor changes | 06:02 |
| lcuk | and you grab and adjust | 06:02 |
| lcuk | with a touchscreen you look daft and curse trying to adjust it | 06:02 |
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| Texrat | lol | 06:04 |
| lcuk | so i have the toolbox with all my widgets occupying 60% of my screen | 06:04 |
| lcuk | the preview of my actual form in a postage stamp | 06:04 |
| lcuk | surrounded by other postage stamps | 06:04 |
| Texrat | I have same problem with inkscape on ideapad | 06:05 |
| Texrat | getting apps to take advantage of meego on netbooks will take a while | 06:05 |
| lcuk | its not meego | 06:05 |
| lcuk | its touch in general | 06:05 |
| Texrat | ok, yeah | 06:05 |
| lcuk | this would be same on a windows 7 install | 06:05 |
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| Texrat | true | 06:06 |
| Texrat | and just look at how symbian has struggled with touch | 06:06 |
| * lcuk adores touch n type | 06:06 | |
| lcuk | lets intuitive reach out and touch things whilst retaining proper keypad | 06:07 |
| berndhs | operating a little phone with 2 hands seems wrong | 06:09 |
| lcuk | berndhs, qwerty is awesome | 06:09 |
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| berndhs | yeah, but I have normal size hands | 06:10 |
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| * lcuk has foam finger hands | 06:10 | |
| lcuk | ebay, WHY | 06:11 |
| lcuk | it has used foam fingers for sale. | 06:11 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:11 |
| juvuolle-l | hi, i'm trying to get usb gps device to show on meego running on qemu (1.1 handset sdk) | 06:12 |
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| juvuolle-l | but I'm not sure how to get usb passthrough working | 06:12 |
| juvuolle-l | any tips are welcome | 06:13 |
| berndhs | I want a fake gps device on my desktop that gives a constant location | 06:13 |
| lcuk | berndhs, why constant? :) setup multiple and have indoor gps | 06:13 |
| berndhs | so I can run all the nifty location stuff | 06:14 |
| berndhs | the interesting part isn't always where you are yourself | 06:14 |
| berndhs | but I could randomize it I suppose | 06:14 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, at a conference it is | 06:14 |
| juvuolle-l | berndhs: i was thinking about perhaps recording an nmea ascii snippet and somehow figure out how to feed it as a tty device or something like that, don't have a clue yet though | 06:14 |
| berndhs | sure, when you're actually moving | 06:15 |
| lcuk | ask alterego | 06:15 |
| lcuk | he is writing a gps sharing deamon thing which exposes gps over serial | 06:15 |
| berndhs | I just need to figure out the bottom end of the QLocation parts | 06:15 |
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| juvuolle-l | bottom end? | 06:16 |
| * lcuk should really try to put head back down | 06:16 | |
| berndhs | the bottom layer that provides the data | 06:16 |
| juvuolle-l | as in gypsy-daemon i would guess | 06:16 |
| lcuk | chuck norris is gonna become a texas ranger o_O | 06:17 |
| berndhs | watching old movies ? | 06:17 |
| lcuk | no berndhs on twitter | 06:18 |
| berndhs | ah | 06:18 |
| juvuolle-l | the layering is like qtlocation -> geocluemaster -> geoclue-gypsy -> gypsy-daemon -> (device) | 06:18 |
| berndhs | NASA has a big reveal tomorrow about life in other places | 06:18 |
| berndhs | ah thanks juvuolle-l | 06:18 |
| lcuk | http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/01/chuck-norris-to-become-honorary-texas-ranger/?hpt=T2 | 06:19 |
| lcuk | mmm berndhs linky? | 06:19 |
| berndhs | lost the NASA link | 06:20 |
| berndhs | but all of this won't matter, out overlords are finally here | 06:20 |
| berndhs | s/out/our/ | 06:20 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: but all of this won't matter, our overlords are finally here | 06:20 |
| berndhs | http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html | 06:21 |
| chriadam | lcuk: nope, wasn't at the conf. did you? how're you liking it? </me jealous> ;-P | 06:24 |
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| lcuk | chriadam, had a wonderful time at conf, eager to get handset ux on the tablet (but only after i can backup what is here for netbook, or install side by side | 06:25 |
| chriadam | nice :-) | 06:26 |
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| lcuk | how do you do drag/drop with a touchpad? | 06:27 |
| lcuk | especially one that has no official working left mouse button clicker | 06:28 |
| * lcuk gets a drink whilst pondering | 06:29 | |
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| Texrat | holy crap berndhs thanks for link | 06:31 |
| Texrat | that could be big! | 06:31 |
| berndhs | yeah, NASA will need $billions :) | 06:32 |
| berndhs | or, out worries might be over | 06:32 |
| Texrat | or just beginning | 06:33 |
| Texrat | ;) | 06:33 |
| berndhs | that too | 06:33 |
| Texrat | I believe Independence Day more than ET ;) | 06:33 |
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| Jay_BEE | howdy | 06:44 |
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| Termana | morning | 06:57 |
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| sumanth | Hi, I am trying a QT mobilty Contacts example of meego handset image. Though i am able to add a contact using mobility api's it doesn't get listed under people app any reasons? | 07:07 |
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| chriadam | sumanth: what does calling QContactManager::availableManagers() show? I suspect that you're saving contacts to the memory backend, which is provided for testing purposes only... | 07:17 |
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| Jun | I followed a meego wiki manual installing OBS 1.8 on a openSUSE 11.2 and seems like working but http://ip:82 is getting a 404 error.. anybody has a similar problem? | 07:19 |
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| timoph | Jun: replace "ip" with your actual ip address | 07:27 |
| Jun | absolutely I did.. | 07:28 |
| timoph | ah | 07:28 |
| timoph | I haven't tried that one so that was the only thing I could come up :) | 07:28 |
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| timoph | I'm sure some1 here knows more | 07:29 |
| Jun | lol thanks. | 07:29 |
| Jun | so you made your OBS working? | 07:29 |
| Jun | automatically building packages? | 07:29 |
| Jun | once you upload rpms? | 07:30 |
| timoph | I'm using the meego obs so I didn't need to set it up | 07:30 |
| Jun | aha.. ok I see | 07:30 |
| sumanth_ | Hi am using Mobility Contacts example of MeeGo for handset image. With it i was able to add a contact but it doesn't seem to be getting saved persistantly? Any help | 07:30 |
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| timoph | sumanth_: sounds like a bug to me. | 07:31 |
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| Villen | Jun: I might be wrong, but should :82 show you the packages build on OBS? | 07:33 |
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| Jun | no, it's about repositories and the public OBS is showing something instead of the 404 error.. | 07:35 |
| Villen | I thought that the packages built on OBS should be in that repository. And when you get something built on OBS they should show there instead on 404. | 07:37 |
| Villen | At least as I remember we had something similar. | 07:37 |
| copyleft | Jun: You may check /etc/lighttpd/vhosts.d/obs.conf, is the document root correct? | 07:38 |
| Jun | it's pointing /srv/obs/repos/ | 07:39 |
| Jun | which is I'm not actually having.. | 07:40 |
| Jun | you are right. | 07:40 |
| Jun | ok, where is it supposed to go? | 07:40 |
| copyleft | Jun: So is your obs build getting any error not publish package into the repository? | 07:41 |
| Jun | I guess that's exactly the problem | 07:41 |
| Jun | I'm not sure if it's trying to do the 'publishing' but anyway I'm seeing the 404 error at http:/myip:82, and also when I click 'download repository' | 07:42 |
| Jun | I guess I should modify the document root as you pointed.. | 07:43 |
| Jun | ** also my obs is not building anything | 07:43 |
| copyleft | Jun: /srv/obs/repos is correct the default path. It may be created after you build something. (if the folder permission is okay.) | 07:44 |
| Jun | hmm.. | 07:44 |
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| copyleft | Jun: I guess 404 error is reasonable since it has package build yet. | 07:45 |
| copyleft | has *no* | 07:46 |
| Jun | I would agree.. | 07:46 |
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| Jun | yes, I just checked that the /srv/obs and its all sub directories are made by root permission so not allowing a normal user account to modify them | 07:46 |
| Jun | would it be the reason? | 07:46 |
| copyleft | Jun: the owner/group are both "obsrun" here on my obs. | 07:47 |
| Jun | oops.. me too | 07:48 |
| Jun | obsrun.. | 07:48 |
| Jun | :( | 07:48 |
| Jun | I'm doing this manual http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112 | 07:48 |
| copyleft | Jun: why not build something first? | 07:48 |
| Jun | surely tried.. | 07:49 |
| Jun | but not working | 07:49 |
| Jun | the public obs is building one automatically but mine is not | 07:49 |
| Jun | doing nothing | 07:49 |
| copyleft | Jun: do you have a obs worker running? | 07:49 |
| Jun | yep | 07:49 |
| Jun | according to the manual, I have one worker | 07:50 |
| Jun | let me try the step 'Setup the Client' again... | 07:51 |
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| copyleft | Jun: If it didn't build anything and the server status get not updating. I guess you may miss some steps, better to check the log, there are three pathes of obs logs for api/web/backend. | 07:51 |
| Jun | in the /srv/obs/log? | 07:52 |
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| copyleft | here is my obs start/stop script, you may check if something doesn't run correctly in your machine. http://pastebin.com/cUs0nYtN | 07:56 |
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| Jun | hey copyleft, I really appreciate your help. I'm gonna try the script | 07:57 |
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| copyleft | Jun: Yeah that's logs for backend scripts, check api logs too at /srv/www/obs/api/log/ | 07:57 |
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| copyleft | Jun: no problem. Just share some experiences. It did take me few days to make it run well ;p | 07:59 |
| Jun | hmm.. many of /obs/log files are asking 'GET /build/_workerstatus?' | 07:59 |
| Jun | I hope so ;; | 07:59 |
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| tcs-meego | are there any connected TV live/qemu images available? | 08:03 |
| copyleft | Jun: I think you may start from using osc commend. To create a package and commit it. Then check the osc status and the log. | 08:03 |
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| copyleft | *command* | 08:04 |
| Jun | ok, I'm gonna try in that way | 08:04 |
| Ereshkigals_Wed | hello i run update system there is 1 update wich is the kernel i tell it to install update it says update installed successfuly but even after reboot i run update system and there is the kernel update as if was never installed how to fix ? | 08:05 |
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| joss192 | hi, this xephyr you have can this drive glx passthrough on nvidia drivers as well? | 08:44 |
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| tcs-meego_ | the live image plays .ogv files but the qemu image does not seem to.. any reason why? | 09:19 |
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| tcs-meego | never mind it works now | 09:25 |
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| cnsmin | I'm following this wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup on my own OBS. but I stuck osc profile. "api.obs.maemo.org" needs account. how to getting that? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | cnsmin: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS might be more useful | 10:15 |
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| Jun | I added a meego core as a repository but my own obs is not building a rpm automatically. What can be wrong in this case? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | check scheduler status | 10:22 |
| Jun | you mean 'Build Status' on the web interface? | 10:22 |
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| Jun | even I refresh it nothing showing up | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's a status on the front page | 10:23 |
| Jun | just 'No build result available' | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | with traffic lights | 10:23 |
| Jun | hmm.. | 10:23 |
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| Jun | On the original obs, how could I add any default target project such as Debian 5.0 or Ubuntu 10.10 ?? | 10:26 |
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| Jun | I found it at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_adding_build_targets | 10:31 |
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| Myrtti | oh no... I'm looking at the iStyles website again | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | Moo, Myrtti | 11:08 |
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| zinit | how's it going? | 11:10 |
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| mece | Gaaah! Idiots. "MeeGo is now Dead, as a Mobile OS. http://t.co/ItdFkRS #Nokia #Meego #maemo" | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | oh really? | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | well, it's good to see the PR machine is waking up, they must be seeing us as a threat then ;) | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/12/01/nokia-meego-will-not-displace-symbian-as-enterprise-os-40091029/ the original article... | 11:27 |
| mece | hey. there's a button you can click that deems the post "Worthless" :D | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | The article sounds like a Symbian guy saying that Symbian will not be displaced by Meego | 11:29 |
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| RST38h | So, why is it a surprise? | 11:29 |
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| mece | this was the one with the "Worthless" button: http://www.branedy.net/?p=2023 | 11:30 |
| mece | go click :) | 11:30 |
| Termana | I think this: | 11:34 |
| Termana | "It's very important to note that Symbian is the primary platform today and will also be the primary platform in the future," Nurmi said. | 11:34 |
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| Termana | Has been taken out of context | 11:34 |
| Termana | I think Nurmi meant primary platform in the future FOR ENTERPRISE | 11:34 |
| Termana | Nokia's enterprise customers at that | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | I don't think anyone at Nokia has ever claimed that MeeGo/Maemo will be pushed to the enterprise devices | 11:35 |
| Myrtti | then again, I've not had enough coffee today | 11:35 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: The only "official" statement I remember was that N-series will be using Meego | 11:36 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: indeed | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Absolutely nothing about E, C, or X series though | 11:36 |
| Termana | Myrtti, right, but I think whoever wrote this http://www.branedy.net/?p=2023 thought that the article meant that it's not a primary platform at all, where as I think the article was saying not a primary platform for Nokia enterprise customers | 11:36 |
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| RST38h | Termana: "technology bloggers" are dime a bunch nowadays, so I am not sure why this particular one is so important | 11:37 |
| Termana | RST38h, it's not. It's just the one being discussed :p | 11:37 |
| Myrtti | I've never even heard of him, which is why I looked up the original article he was referencing to | 11:37 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Maybe I should start a blog spelling corporate doom for Nokia, etcon on daily basis | 11:38 |
| Termana | There was another blogger who was obviously on crack that thought everyone thought that MeeGo was doomed | 11:38 |
| dneary | RST38h, Myrtti, I fully expect Symbian to live on as the platform of choice for most of the feature phones Nokia makes over the next 5 years | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Termana: And add it to the Planet news roll, just to seed it with controversy and butthurt =) | 11:38 |
| dneary | Termana, He mistook developer modesty & pessimism for institutional pessimism | 11:38 |
| dneary | Termana, Developers are low-key - especially when you're talking to them about their work | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | dneary: it's easy to do that with a inherently Finnish company | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | no. feature phones run S40 | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Termana: Oh, wait, we already have Eldar Murtazin doing just that =)~ | 11:39 |
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| dneary | Termana, And... developers have a micro view of the situation - "my current project is late, lots of issues with the library we depend on, redeveloping in Qt is taking longer than we expected, etc, etc" | 11:40 |
| dneary | ali1234, Isn't S40 a Symbian platform? | 11:40 |
| ali1234 | no | 11:40 |
| dneary | My mistake | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | nope, S40 is a evolvement of NokiaOS | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | or atleast the inheritor of the efforts | 11:41 |
| dneary | And NokiaOS == S30? | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | if only all Nokia phones would work with the reliability of S40 | 11:41 |
| dneary | Ah, wow - S40 is running on the Vertu phones | 11:42 |
| dneary | I would have assumed S60. | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | I switched from S40 phone to s60v3 phone and the disappointment was audible for years | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | hold on, it's still audible because I'm complaining about it even now | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | s60v3 was crap but it wasn't unreliable | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | compared with eg maemo, it was bullet proof | 11:43 |
| Myrtti | ali1234: for a linux user the difference was very very noticeable | 11:43 |
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| dneary | ali1234, I had an S60 phone for a while, the N82 | 11:44 |
| dneary | ali1234, I was really happy to move off that platform... | 11:44 |
| dneary | ali1234, Have to agree on stability v Maemo | 11:44 |
| dneary | but general niceness v Android, it doesn't compare | 11:45 |
| Myrtti | I could send SMS with Linux desktop connected to a S40 phone via bluetooth, could backup my SMS, check my calendar, contacts etc. none of that worked in s60v3. | 11:45 |
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| Myrtti | could make playlists and transfer music easily | 11:46 |
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| dneary | ali1234, Anyway - would you not expect S60 to move to being the feature phone OS of choice as feature phones get more & more powerful? | 11:46 |
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| dneary | Now - trivia question: can anyone tell me why S60 went from v3 to v5, and why the old Nokia OS platform went from Nokia 3000 to Nokia 5000? | 11:49 |
| Bostik | anything to do with number 4 and orientals' superstition? | 11:50 |
| v_zaitsev | apart from the obvious that larger numbers are more impressive? | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | dneary: S60v4 was a crazy japanese version not used anywhere else | 11:52 |
| dneary | ali1234, Ah? | 11:52 |
| dneary | I thoughht it was because 4 is an unlucky number in Asia | 11:52 |
| dneary | What Bostik said | 11:52 |
| v_zaitsev | it's double crazy to make a version only for the japanese and call that v4 | 11:52 |
| ali1234 | basically S60 is the kernel and the v3, v4, v5 is just the GUI | 11:53 |
| dneary | I was just in Korea a couple of weeks ago, and wondered why there was no 4th floor | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | now when symbian was "open" the parts were developed by different people | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | the v4 UI was developed by the japanese for the japanese | 11:53 |
| dneary | You'd wonder why they went with S40 though, if quadrophobia was the reason... | 11:53 |
| ali1234 | now that symbian is 100% nokia, they rolled the kernel and Ui stuff into one big platform and called it symbian^3 | 11:54 |
| RST38h | S60e4 never existed, the character for "4" meaning "death" in Chinese | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Or something of a kind, anyway | 11:54 |
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| ali1234 | maybe i am thinking of symbian^2 | 11:56 |
| dneary | ali1234, Yeah, this documents S60 3rd edition (feature pack 2) and S60 5th edition (corresponds to Symbian^1) | 11:57 |
| dneary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_60 | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | the whole confusing mess of different symbian version numbers is a big obstacle to developers, i think | 11:57 |
| Termana | woah woah woah what's this | 11:58 |
| Termana | Symbian more stable than Maemo? | 11:58 |
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| ali1234 | hell yes | 11:58 |
| Termana | I never had Maemo crash | 11:58 |
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| ali1234 | funny, i've seen it crash man times | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | and when it is not crashing it is freezing up | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | and when it is not freezing, it is just taking half an hour to open the package manager or something | 11:58 |
| Termana | I'll admit, it was definitely jerky sometimes | 11:58 |
| dneary | Yeah - S60 v5 == Symbian^1 == Symbian OS 9.4 (ironically enough) | 11:58 |
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| Termana | ali1234, you should install Fapman | 11:59 |
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| dneary | Termana, You never had crashes? Or things like sync4exchange freezing up? | 11:59 |
| Bostik | well yes, the built-in package manager is nothing short of glacial | 11:59 |
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| ali1234 | then there's the browser choice... whoever decided to put mozilla engine instead of webkit should be fired | 12:00 |
| ali1234 | mozilla is too slow for most desktop computers let alone a mobile phone | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | Mozilla is just fine on any desktop computer I have got | 12:00 |
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| AndyBleaden | ali1234, mozilla...seems fine on my netbook.faster than chrome anyway..doesn't that use webkit? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Secondly, Mozilla is not the same thing as Gecko rendering engine, which works reasonably good on Maemo | 12:01 |
| Termana | dneary, nope, nothing crashed for me. | 12:01 |
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| AndyBleaden | ali1234, I thought they were looking to keep fennec on mobile devices | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | sorry, but the maemo browser is terrible, it only *seems* fast when you compare it to the package manager | 12:02 |
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| Myrtti | ali1234: it's better than what the opera engine was on 770 | 12:02 |
| RST38h | And, finally, if you do not like Gecko so much, get Webkit-based Tear browser and see if it is any better (my guess would be "not") | 12:02 |
| ali1234 | it's better than pocket ie on windows mobile 5 as well, but that isn't saying much | 12:02 |
| Termana | dneary, the only problems I had was 1) jerkiness sometimes, 2) mine is now forever stuck at the dots - but that's not a Maemo problem | 12:02 |
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| Termana | Also I agree with ali1234 - I don't like Gecko-based browsers | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | then there's the dodgy touchscreen issue | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | you know, when you press an icon, and the n900 vibrates, so you know it detected the press... but nothing else happens | 12:03 |
| Termana | ali1234, I never had that. Although my (N900's!!) vibrator seemed to not work as well after a while | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Termana: Get Tear. Try using it. | 12:04 |
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| RST38h | Termana: If it is really much faster, come back and boast | 12:05 |
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| Termana_ | RST38h, I have to wait until I get a new N900 to be trying anything. But the last I heard Tear didn't work too well on Maemo 5 | 12:07 |
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| AndyBleaden | Any body out there on netbooks still having trouble getting cheese to work.webcam works fine in skype but not cheese | 12:08 |
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| AndyBleaden | Seems to be really problamatic in meego 1.1. opens and then crashes..is there anywhere I can check an error log? | 12:10 |
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| Termana | AndyBleaden, /var/log? Or you could try starting it from a terminal and see if it outputs the crash error there | 12:12 |
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| RST38h | Termana: And I am sure it did not work for exactly the same reasons as MicroB | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Which is 1) low available RAM and 2) swap-on-mmc performance | 12:17 |
| RST38h | Termana: [btw, same problems are going to hit Meego, so somebody at Nokia better be looking at solving them] | 12:18 |
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| Termana | I don't think that's the problem with MicroB on the N900 at all. I have a problem with the way Gecko renders and loads pages | 12:20 |
| RST38h | That is mostly personal. I do not like how Webkit renders pages (namely, TheRegister) either | 12:20 |
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| Termana | RST38h, in regards to loading, WebKit gives a faster feel to it, it seems like it starts loading the page quicker and instead of waiting to show parts of the page it will immediately start showing them, where as Gecko seems to take a while to start loading and then seems to go and load it all in fragments | 12:25 |
| Termana | But I guess like you said, mostly personal | 12:25 |
| Termana | That doesn't make it annoy me any less though :p | 12:25 |
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| Termana | morning sivang | 12:43 |
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| black_11 | how can I export a QT application to a rpm repo to be used in the creation of some Meego image? | 14:20 |
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| sturvey | Hi all. Does anyone know if QtWebkit is _intentionally_ missing from the armv7l target? | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | sturvey: on repo.meego.com? | 14:51 |
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| sturvey | Stskeeps: from wherever mad-admin slurps it. | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like qtwebkit is failing on armv7l | 14:52 |
| sturvey | Stskeeps: Do you have a bug link? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | fabo: ^ | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | sturvey: we're currently working on some qemu improvements/speedrpm and i think this particular build error will be fixed with those | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | + /usr/lib/rpm/find-debuginfo.sh --strict-build-id /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qtwebkit-2.1-week38-source | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | extracting debug info from /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/qtwebkit-2.1~week38-1.1.arm/usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so.4.8.0 | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.1GY2VG (%install) | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | sturvey: as we will be stripping debuginfo using x86 binaries instead | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'll file a bug to track | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | bug 10819 | 14:56 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10819 cri, Undecided, ---, fathi.boudra, NEW, qtwebkit fails to build for ARM | 14:56 |
| thiago | fails to build? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | well | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | "fails to extract debuginfo" | 14:57 |
| thiago | ah | 14:57 |
| thiago | probably runs out of memory | 14:57 |
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| sturvey | Stskeeps: Thanks! Explains that then :) | 15:00 |
| Jun | dl torlRNsdk | 15:01 |
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| saga64 | Hello everyone | 15:05 |
| saga64 | I'm new to here | 15:05 |
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| Myrtti | saga64: welcome | 15:06 |
| saga64 | got a question, my meego emulator is very slow on my Windows platform, I'm using Window 7 32-bit, 2.0 Dual Core, 4GB Ram, nvidia 8400GT graphic card, any idea? | 15:07 |
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| slaine | saga64: Windows didn't have a qemu with acceleration when the sdk was released | 15:20 |
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| odin_ | anyone know when is 1.1.1 due ? before Xmas ? | 15:21 |
| slaine | a demo was shown at meego conf of fresh code showing it working, so perhaps an update will come out sooner rather than later | 15:21 |
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| fcrozat | odin_: already out since friday | 15:21 |
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| odin_ | ooo.. can I zypper update to it ? zypper ?????? -t product "MeeGo release" ?? | 15:23 |
| saga64 | thanks for you help | 15:23 |
| saga64 | I will try linux then | 15:23 |
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| saga64 | :D | 15:24 |
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| slaine | saga64: it's not going to work under linux for you either | 15:25 |
| slaine | under linux, you need Intel graphics for it to be accelerated | 15:26 |
| sturvey | lbt_: Apparently I need to contact you for access to OBS? | 15:26 |
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| lbt | sturvey: yep - what are you planning to do on there ? | 15:27 |
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| odin_ | I see the image http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img (just downloading to compare format to the MeeGo USB stick, that I should not have) but no 1.1.1 | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, for some strange reason they dont' do update images | 15:29 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure why | 15:29 |
| odin_ | so do I make my own or something? also why *.img and not *.img.bz2 ? | 15:30 |
| lbt | odin_: it's already bzipped inside | 15:30 |
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| lbt | it's an iso with 2 squashfs images with a bzipped ext2 or something equally bizzare | 15:31 |
| sturvey | lbt: How do I go private message on this thing? | 15:31 |
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| lbt | sturvey: no need ... just talk :) | 15:32 |
| odin_ | http://meego.com/downloads/releases/updates/ in the non-obvious place (the parent page /downloads/releases/, really should say, "This is not current, for latest goto ./updates/" at the top) | 15:32 |
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| sturvey | lbt: Can't ;-) | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | community obs is for open source anyway, so no shame in talking about it publically ;) | 15:32 |
| lbt | sturvey: so you probably can't use it then :) | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | sturvey: do you mean build.meego.com or community obs? | 15:32 |
| sturvey | Stskeeps: Not sure. I suppose I need more information on what the diff is. | 15:33 |
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| sturvey | lbt: Can you go online on Communicator? | 15:33 |
| lbt | sturvey: https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 15:33 |
| Myrtti | could someone redirect Gizmokid to ##fix_your_connection? | 15:33 |
| lbt | sturvey: so... who are you if you don't mind me asking | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | sturvey: build.meego.com is the place the meego project is being developed, which is also kinda for open source projects, no secrets there :) | 15:34 |
| sturvey | lbt: Simon Turvey. Nokia Advanced Development. | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | build.pub.meego.com is for everyone, hosting open source | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | for app development, etc | 15:34 |
| lbt | sturvey: OK ... will contact you | 15:35 |
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| sturvey | lbt: Thanks | 15:35 |
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| lbt | sturvey: did you get a priv msg | 15:35 |
| odin_ | hmm... the web pages look like announcements, I have done "zypper update" and a new kernel and maybe 10 to 15 things got updated.. is this 1.1.1 ? as /etc/issue still claims 1.1 | 15:35 |
| ali1234 | is it possible to link to the community OBS (like with the opensuse one) and then develop closed apps on your private instance? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: it's possible to link to meego.com obs now too, as well | 15:36 |
| ali1234 | oh really? ok then... | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | according to anas's talk, at least | 15:36 |
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| ali1234 | are there any plans to restart armv4 stuff? | 15:37 |
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| niala | oh! oh! oh! | 15:37 |
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| odin_ | also the delta-rpm features didn't seem to work, in that update process, like the repo is broken, so it downloaded a *.drpm then failed, then the full *.rpm and succeeded | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: armv5 it was, and not afaik | 15:38 |
| ali1234 | ok, armv5 is actually closer to my hardware | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | what target do you have? | 15:38 |
| ali1234 | omap850 | 15:38 |
| ali1234 | i know someone who wants to package android for debian | 15:39 |
| ali1234 | then i told him about OBS, he was interested | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | android for debian | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | that's novel | 15:39 |
| ali1234 | he already packaged it for openembedded | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: hopefully he'll do better than the ubuntu guy who did the same and got moral quibbles and never published the code.. | 15:39 |
| ali1234 | which ubuntu guy was this? | 15:40 |
| ali1234 | the code is already available anyway... but the trouble is openembedded is pretty horrible for distributed development | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/ | 15:40 |
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| ali1234 | that's a bit different project | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | the stuff i am talking about is android running on a real phone | 15:41 |
| ali1234 | but instead of the tiny cut down init that they use, having a full distro underneath it | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | well, same principle | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | that's android on top of glibc | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | in general yes | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | anyway i suggested OBS and meego core instead of debian and whatever build system they use | 15:42 |
| Termana | It's also a waste of time. | 15:42 |
| Termana | Oh I'm sorry did I say that out loud? :p | 15:42 |
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| odin_ | zypper update meego-release: ... No update candidate for 'meego-release-1.1-2.1.noarch'. The highest available version is already installed. | 15:43 |
| * odin_ sigh | 15:43 | |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: i'm not sure how their updates repos work | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | maybe you add them | 15:44 |
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| odin_ | I have a repo called "11 | updates-core | updates-core | Enabled=Yes | RefreshNo" | 15:44 |
| odin_ | it all looks like it should just work | 15:45 |
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| odin_ | ah.. /etc/zypp/repos.d/* have .../1.1/..... in the URLs, maybe there should be a meta-package installable on 1.1 which adds the repos for 1.1.1 ? | 15:46 |
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| odin_ | anyhow the .../1.1.1/... version of the URLs does not exist anyways | 15:47 |
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| fcrochik | arfoll: ping | 15:59 |
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| FunkyPenguin | anyone able to point me to the git repo for moblin-panel-web for 1.0.5? | 16:00 |
| fcrochik | I have a "project" on my "home" (https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Afcrochik) and would like to make the packages available. How can I use it as a repository? | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/rim-buys-tat-blackberry-ui-in-danger-of-becoming-awesome/ , well, that explains why TAT cancelled | 16:01 |
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| odin_ | http://hggadgets.blogspot.com/2010/02/lenovo-s10-3t-3g-sim-card-ready.html anyone know what the two modules are... the left green/brown and left-centre turquoise (one is RAM and the other ???) | 16:42 |
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| arfoll | fcrochik, ping | 16:50 |
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| chuckgao | Anybody knows how to mix audio and video use Qt Mobility(seems can not) or other Qt function? | 16:57 |
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| fcrochik | arfoll: hi.... I was going to ask you about the obs repository path but lbt answered me already.... | 17:00 |
| arfoll | fcrochik, good | 17:01 |
| arfoll | glad you got it on there | 17:01 |
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| fcrochik | arfoll: I still haven't had a chance to try it... | 17:02 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: interesting | 17:28 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: TAT is good | 17:28 |
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| thiago | I was going to say that this might explain why they pulled out of MeeGo Conf, but knowing acquisitions (having been through one), they don't let an unannounced acquisition change the plans | 17:29 |
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| * niala_ ah!ah! No device configuration set for run configuration. | 17:30 | |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_9803.html << might be meego compatable | 17:52 |
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| odin_ | any ideas why lenovo won't bootup, I have created and rsynced rootfs to another partition, both BTRFS, the bootup on new root appears to work (and get past mounting root) but then a second pause and "Restarting System" | 17:54 |
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| odin_ | this is just after setting up Broadcom USB device (the next thing in a normal bootup is input device setup), is there something special I need to change inside the new root (when no initrd is being used?) I have modified /etc/fstab | 17:55 |
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| odin_ | maybe I rip HDD out and partition on another machine :) | 17:56 |
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| sivang | so , in dublin there were a bunch of nice peopel from Nokia bangaloe, are any of you around here? I would like to keep contact but some notes lost, and some names forgotten due to bad memory. I waited with some of you for the bus to the storehouse while it got raining | 19:01 |
| sivang | *bangalore | 19:02 |
| sivang | privmsg me if this rings a bell. | 19:02 |
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| niala_ | ssh can't connect to qemu madde | 19:10 |
| sivang | s/got/started/ | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | is the virtual network NAT or bridge? | 19:11 |
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| niala_ | ah!ah! CosmoHill ... euh nmap tell me ports 6666 and 13219 are open on localhost | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | isn't 6666 freenode? | 19:12 |
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| niala_ | ahhhh | 19:13 |
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| niala_ | CosmoHill, note always read the doc until the end | 19:28 |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | from experience most people don't read it from the start | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | LFs is about 12 chapters, most people start at chapter 3 ~ 5 and get stuff at chapter 5.4 | 19:29 |
| niala_ | true and i diagonally | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | stuck* | 19:29 |
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| robtaylor | Stskeeps: hey, you might know this. I'm digging though meego handset and I'm having trouble figuring what phonesim is. any pointers? | 19:36 |
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| niala_ | CosmoHill, :( now i have no pretext to not develop | 19:38 |
| CosmoHill | cool, I have a lot of testing to do :( | 19:39 |
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| auke | robtaylor: it emulates a working 3G connection so you can test dialer applications | 19:39 |
| sivang | nice | 19:39 |
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| robtaylor | auke: oh, sweet | 19:41 |
| robtaylor | auke: does it live on gitorious? | 19:41 |
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| niala_ | how to choose the resolution for an application for handset? | 19:42 |
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| auke | robtaylor: probably, yes | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | niala: dual screen ftw :) | 19:42 |
| auke | just take a look on meego.gitorious.org | 19:42 |
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| robtaylor | auke: i ask, as I've had a good look and couldn't find it ;) | 19:43 |
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| niala_ | what is the n900 resolution ? | 19:50 |
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| Bostik | 800x480 ? | 19:51 |
| niala_ | thanks. google did not have my click :) | 19:51 |
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| auke | robtaylor: interesting, seems I can't find it either :) | 19:58 |
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| robtaylor | auke: glad i'm not alone ;) | 20:00 |
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| Tormis | is it possible to build autoconf based packages to armv7l? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | Tormis: yes, consider using OBS for arm stuff | 20:05 |
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| Tormis | okay, mad was lacking autotools at least, or I did something wrong | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Tormis: well, MADDE is really mostly for meego API applications, not platform apis | 20:13 |
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| Tormis | Stskeeps: thanks, so continuing with OBS | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /clear | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | MeeGoExperts: thats an aava, nothing terribly interesting nor surprising :) | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | and calling it a phone might be a far stretch considering modem support ;_ | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | question: | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | maemo has a version of xchat | 20:32 |
| lcuk | with modifications made to make it fit the screen and stuff | 20:32 |
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| * lcuk wonders whether this will work happier (and be configurable) on the netbook | 20:32 | |
| ali1234 | why don't you just try it and see? | 20:33 |
| mwichmann | I built one for moblin, and use on ubuntu... it's fine | 20:33 |
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| mwichmann | not tried on meego but no reason to be different | 20:33 |
| lcuk | ali1234, cos i have flu | 20:33 |
| mwichmann | be interesting to see how it handles notifications tho | 20:33 |
| robtaylor | auke: ahha. I have had success - http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/phonesim.git | 20:34 |
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| ali1234 | typical modifications for maemo seem to be "hard code the UI to use a 5pt font" | 20:34 |
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| ali1234 | although that could be due to badly configured display DPI | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | DPI is 96, I think. | 20:36 |
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| ali1234 | that would do it, since the true DPI is closer to 200 | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | 225 for N8x0 and ~260 for N900, I think. | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | lcuk so yeah, if you want stuff to fit on your netbook screen, just abuse the X DPI setting, like everyone else does | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, false investment really, because just shrinking everything makes a non finger friendly ui even less fingerable. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | it may get over the initial issue, but clearer design and layout is preferable | 20:39 |
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| berndhs | just one big button and map functions to the time domain :) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | thats one option | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | macbook wheel anyone? | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | evening RevdKathy | 21:07 |
| RevdKathy | Evening Stskeeps | 21:07 |
| RevdKathy | How's you? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, relaxing on the couch and listening to tv programme in a language i don't understand | 21:08 |
| * CosmoHill takes a little break whilst he noms dinner | 21:09 | |
| * Myrtti is watching the NASA press conference | 21:09 | |
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| Myrtti | vlc http://www.nasa.gov/145590main_Digital_Media.asx | 21:09 |
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| Myrtti | you missed the good bits though | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | please tell me its alien brain slugs | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:11 |
| lcuk | alien shell casings would be worse :P | 21:11 |
| RevdKathy | No, It's arsenic based life. But we've had that round here for centuries | 21:12 |
| lcuk | ahh yes that was one of the theories on /. last night | 21:12 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: thanks | 21:12 |
| Bostik | the one detail I expect to read only later on is the geologists' guess how long that lake has been such a bed of poison | 21:12 |
| Bostik | that would then give a nice "known upper bound" to the time it takes for a replicating life-form to evolve | 21:13 |
| lcuk | I am still waiting for them to find life forms that can survive in my sons wash basket | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | tho his socks could theoretically be counted as sentient | 21:14 |
| RevdKathy | I told we, we've been self-replicating arsenic based life here for 5 millenia or so | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I can mail you mine, they're probably worse | 21:14 |
| Bostik | and I'm still waiting for anyone to discover intelligent life - anywhere | 21:14 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you can mail toxic agents now? | 21:14 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: the trick is to put something more sinister in the envelope | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | next question: what about the rights of arsenic-based lifeforms | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:14 |
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| GAN900 | Are they sentient? | 21:15 |
| RevdKathy | Feed 'em pasties and they'll dig tin for you without complaining | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | you should never make out with a arsenic-based life form | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | well, i would guess arsenic based life forms are dangerous for humans to ingest | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | it would give them great hair tho | 21:15 |
| CosmoHill | I hope he doesn't just walk around with that in his front pocket | 21:17 |
| lcuk | By morning Ira figured out a solution. Selenium may be a poison to the nitrogen-based aliens as arsenic is to carbon-based life-forms, based on their similar positions in relation to each other on the periodic table. | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | using the Evolution theory, we need polonium to kill these arsenic invaders! | 21:20 |
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| RevdKathy | Why would we want to kill them? Arsenic is good stuff (mostly) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | [insert disaster movie case scenario] | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | we wouldn't need to kill them, they'd melt at room temp | 21:23 |
| Myrtti | hurrrrrr | 21:24 |
| Myrtti | "sauna yoga" | 21:24 |
| RevdKathy | Oi be'nt be 'frit o' no arsenic critters. We'ms lived wi' arsenic all us loives. | 21:26 |
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| berndhs | is it too early to start a new arsenic-based religion ? | 21:32 |
| tomma | lbt, you can give me access to obs? | 21:33 |
| Myrtti | I really have a suspicion that dinner consisting of a white chocolate orange isn't good enough while it most definitely gives the daily calorie intake | 21:33 |
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| RevdKathy | Myrtto: orange is one of your five-a-day, no? Full of ACE vitamins! Nothing better for you. And chocolate is a bean - so that's a veg too | 21:41 |
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| berndhs | chocolate is lacking in the salt food group, but its good for the sugar and fat groups | 21:42 |
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| odin_ | pah! reframing a choc orange is cheating | 21:42 |
| Myrtti | reframing? I just bought it. I prefer the popping candy one though | 21:43 |
| iekku | Myrtti, dark chocolate is good for heart... | 21:44 |
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| Myrtti | iekku: alas I had none when I *needed* chocolate so I sneaked to the Christmas present stash and stole one | 21:44 |
| RevdKathy | Dark chocolate is high in iron, a natural anti-tussanant and a n anti-depressant | 21:44 |
| odin_ | NASA TV is riveting tonight | 21:44 |
| Myrtti | fortunately BF is probably coming to Finland next week and will replace the eaten with a whole | 21:45 |
| iekku | Myrtti, clever move! :D | 21:45 |
| Myrtti | I haz the choc-fu! | 21:45 |
| iekku | why I haven't think about that :x | 21:45 |
| RevdKathy | Is that what a BF is for? Providin g choc? | 21:46 |
| iekku | boyfriend is playing guitar in the livingroom with his friend and I just want to go to sleep, but if I only had chocolate, things would be SO different | 21:46 |
| Myrtti | RevdKathy: he is for providing junk that is expensive or difficult to get in Ultima Thule ;-) | 21:46 |
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| Myrtti | I've, for example, used him as a proxy for procuring an Eye-Fi SD card for a Christmas present for my sister | 21:47 |
| RevdKathy | Ahh.. I never found quite what they were for. I knew they must have a use. | 21:47 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to be importing a suitcase full of liquorice from .fi. | 21:47 | |
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| Myrtti | in the past he's been most helpful for purchasing heaps of cosmetics from the Bodyshop Christmas Factory sale | 21:48 |
| Myrtti | :-> | 21:48 |
| iekku | :o | 21:48 |
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| iekku | I know much better use for BF | 21:48 |
| iekku | cooking etc | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | iekku: so do I, but it's not past 10pm yet ;-) | 21:49 |
| iekku | that why I'm calling him wife :D | 21:49 |
| RevdKathy | Does one need to acquire a BF somewhere where he can buy interesting gifts, then? | 21:49 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, not me :o | 21:49 |
| RevdKathy | Been so long I forgot about that use for one. ;-) | 21:50 |
| iekku | I will do buy him things, but... | 21:50 |
| Myrtti | which reminds me that I've not played with my Viglen MPC-L for a while | 21:50 |
| iekku | hmm, too tired to write english | 21:50 |
| RevdKathy | Wel,, someone to buy things for might be nice, too. Occasionally. But not chocolate | 21:51 |
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| thiago_home | why not chocolate? | 21:51 |
| RevdKathy | Too precious, thiago_home | 21:52 |
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| iekku | is it polite to say to BF stop playing guitar and go to bar, so I could go for a sleep? | 21:52 |
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| Myrtti | ooh, the Inspiron Duo UK price has been announced | 21:53 |
| Myrtti | "Check out the new Inspiron Duo convertible tablet available to buy from today from £449." | 21:53 |
| lcuk | iekku, yes - how about leave him to play guitar and you go to the pub? | 21:53 |
| Myrtti | that's cheaper than the lenovo...? | 21:53 |
| RevdKathy | Depends how close you are to BF. Done well, you could make him feel sufficiently guilty top bring you back gifts. Or you could just be honest | 21:53 |
| iekku | lcuk, I have to wake up in mmm 8 hours, so.... | 21:53 |
| lcuk | iekku, time for a few | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | iekku: "feck off, I need to sleep. kthxbai" | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 21:54 |
| RevdKathy | I like Myrtti's version | 21:54 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, I said already that I'm tired :D | 21:54 |
| iekku | Myrtti, he lives here also, so... :D | 21:54 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: not to sort to take a hint, then. | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | iekku: pull the fuse from the fuse box then :-P | 21:55 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, you can play guitar in the dark. | 21:55 |
| * Myrtti is full of good ideas tonight | 21:55 | |
| Stskeeps | scissors and look at the guitar string | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | s | 21:55 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: headphones so only he can hear the music? | 21:55 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, there's 2 guitarist :D | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | evening javispedro | 21:56 |
| lbt | iekku: relax .... they could play the saxophone and trumpet | 21:56 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: earplugs for you, then. And turn the lights out | 21:56 |
| iekku | maybe I just say after 30 min or so that boys, go to bar | 21:57 |
| javispedro | hi Stskeeps | 21:57 |
| iekku | funny how annoying it's listen others practising | 21:57 |
| javispedro | (and everyone :) ) | 21:57 |
| lbt | tomma: hey... sure... what are you planning to use it for (community OBS - right?) | 21:57 |
| iekku | if here were 2 guys from my own band.... | 21:57 |
| iekku | hmmm, maybe I show some own tricks? and just smash guitars to the floor? :D | 21:58 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: that might end you up single like me. :p | 21:58 |
| Myrtti | goddammit I can't remember the IP of my viglen... | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i realized i know the IP my laptop has but not my own passport number. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | +of | 22:00 |
| javispedro | there's a long way down until that happens with your phone number :) | 22:01 |
| mwichmann | umm, phone numbers easy to forget | 22:01 |
| mwichmann | you don't call them yourself, do you? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: try moving to another country and start remembering your own number.. | 22:01 |
| tomma | lbt, yeah community obs... i will use it for my filemanager, cureexplorer from maemo | 22:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, repatition, write it down a few times by hand and it will be memorised | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | especially when there is more digits in the new countrys numbers :) | 22:02 |
| lbt | tomma cool .... done | 22:02 |
| tomma | just some porting testing for now | 22:02 |
| lcuk | repetition even | 22:02 |
| tomma | ok thanks | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i wonder if the meego characters are arsenic based lifeforms.. | 22:04 |
| javispedro | lol | 22:04 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, maybe I'm not doing that, was single for a almost 12 years | 22:04 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: I think you get used to it. I've forgotten what it's like not to be single now | 22:05 |
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| iekku | RevdKathy, uh | 22:06 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: Though 12 years is a long time. | 22:07 |
| lbt | I was single for 12 years... | 22:07 |
| lbt | then I met Denise when I was 13 ;) | 22:07 |
| RevdKathy | lbt: then your voice broke? | 22:07 |
| lbt | apparently I got away with it.... | 22:08 |
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| iekku | lbt, hahahaa | 22:08 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, yes it is, I was just waiting :) | 22:09 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, and the waiting is now over :) | 22:09 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: glad you found what you were waiting for - though he could use to be a bit more considerate when you need to sleep! | 22:09 |
| iekku | but now they are blaying black metal and I needed to go there and ask to stop | 22:09 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: tell them the neighbours will complain. | 22:10 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, his so happy to have band again, like a little child, I don't have a heart to be mean | 22:10 |
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| iekku | RevdKathy, :D | 22:10 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: then go nextdoor, and get the neighbours to bang on the wall | 22:10 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: awww that's sweet | 22:10 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, my neighbours mostly have loud sex, so... | 22:11 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: so a bit of heavy metal isn't really anything to complain about | 22:11 |
| iekku | I think they aren't coming to say anything... ... after they heard we needed to change our bedroom to other side of apartment... | 22:11 |
| * RevdKathy is glad her neighbour is an 80 year-old widow | 22:11 | |
| iekku | RevdKathy, you newer know what's going to happen :P | 22:12 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, only one way to find out | 22:12 |
| lcuk | question of the day! | 22:12 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: not with Jean. She's scared of her own shadow. Very quiet next door. :) And she's deaf so I don't need to worry | 22:13 |
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| iekku | RevdKathy, :DDDDD | 22:13 |
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| RevdKathy | iekku: how long have you and the musician been together? Where did you find him? | 22:14 |
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| iekku | RevdKathy, I found him from punk in finland - forum :D | 22:15 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, and mm, little bit over 4 months now | 22:15 |
| iekku | and yes, we are living together | 22:15 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: you met him on the forum? How romantic! A Meego romance :D | 22:16 |
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| iekku | RevdKathy, not Meego, he doesn't understand anything I'm working with :D | 22:16 |
| iekku | he said that I can fix his computer and he takes care of the cooking | 22:17 |
| iekku | :D | 22:17 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: ahh right. That's a shame. I was about to promote you as a Meego Romance. Good that you found him, though | 22:17 |
| iekku | haha, what a promotion that would be | 22:17 |
| iekku | :D | 22:17 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: sounds like a fair deal. | 22:17 |
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| iekku | I hope there's going to be pair for that promotion | 22:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: i wonder who will be the first to marry their precious n900 | 22:18 |
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| RevdKathy | whole new meaning to 'connecting people' | 22:18 |
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| iekku | :DDDDDDD | 22:18 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: been sleeping with mine ever since I got it. | 22:18 |
| RevdKathy | wasn't there a poster by that name? | 22:18 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, nice vibra? | 22:18 |
| iekku | wait, now I'm way to tired | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | now now, we have to recall people are still at work at some part of the world :) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | there was an old bloke on the tmo forums who couldnt turn his bibrator off on the n900 | 22:19 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: I dunno - never tried. Imaging trying to get the screen clean... on second thoughts, don't | 22:19 |
| lcuk | vibrator | 22:19 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, :D | 22:19 |
| RevdKathy | I saw that lcuk: n900 priapism | 22:19 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, sorry :( | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | :O RevdKathy | 22:20 |
| RevdKathy | On the other hand, it's always past the 9pm watershed somewhere in the world. ;) | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | maybe we should have #meego-coffeeroom | 22:20 |
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| iekku | Stskeeps, :D | 22:20 |
| iekku | and then nobody would speak in here | 22:20 |
| RevdKathy | stskeeps - that would be good. For the times we don't want to discuss Serious Coding | 22:20 |
| RevdKathy | #meego-watercooler | 22:20 |
| iekku | :D | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: yeah, good point | 22:21 |
| lbt | #meego-makeout-closet ... | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i thought #meego was general anyway | 22:21 |
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| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: if you guys want to discuss serious stuff, we'll just shut up. We were keeping the IRC warm while you were being quiet | 22:22 |
| iekku | maybe I go now and try to have some sleep | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not complaining too much :) | 22:22 |
| javispedro | #meego-coffeerom -> #maemo ;) | 22:22 |
| iekku | need to make some error reports in the morning | 22:22 |
| * javispedro hides | 22:22 | |
| RevdKathy | Nah #maemo is pretty quiet these days | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have anything particularly better to talk about | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:22 |
| RevdKathy | what do you actually work on iekku? | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | judging by 'error reports', probably meego qa | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: I sit here silent on evenings when there's Serious Conversation | 22:23 |
| lcuk | iekku, what do you actually do then? | 22:24 |
| iekku | RevdKathy, currently i'm working as a error manager on the mcts and qa-tools | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, as someone says, the real progress in a company happens at the water cooler or the coffee machine | 22:24 |
| * RevdKathy wishes she knew exactly what that meant | 22:24 | |
| Stskeeps | so maybe we do need #meego-watercooler ;) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, did you mind read | 22:24 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, :) | 22:24 |
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| RevdKathy | I brain share with several people, lcuk. watch out for texrat in my head | 22:25 |
| * javispedro usually favors #meego actually being #meego-coffeeroom and #meego-arm, #meego-devel, etc. being the "no chit chat allowed" channels | 22:25 | |
| iekku | RevdKathy, lcuk was that enough information? | 22:25 |
| RevdKathy | iekku: enough to confuse me. I'm just a bear of very little brain. I Am the End User | 22:26 |
| lcuk | iekku, totally :D | 22:26 |
| * lcuk likes the qa-tools chan and people | 22:26 | |
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| lcuk | testplanner is awesome. if i can figure out how to actually make it do tests it will be even better. :P | 22:27 |
| CosmoHill | blah, testing | 22:27 |
| lcuk | required CosmoHill | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | I have so much of it to do | 22:28 |
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| CosmoHill | I have about 12 graphics to make so far | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | he's also like a surface thingy which he isn't gonna get | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | and you are sitting on irc? | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | get working, student | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:29 |
| * CosmoHill glares at Stskeeps | 22:29 | |
| lcuk | random observation of the evening: how in the heck are zones meant to work | 22:29 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/Screenshot_zones_20101202.png | 22:29 |
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| CosmoHill | I've only just remembered I can resize excel cells | 22:30 |
| lcuk | it takes it about 3 seconds to alt tab from one end of the list to the other | 22:30 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: I think the zones are meant to replace having a task bar with a click to open apps. Except they don't quite achieve the same thing | 22:30 |
| javispedro | btw | 22:30 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, well at the 8th zone it gave up and started putting everything into the last one | 22:31 |
| javispedro | I saw a video on youtube with the netbook ux topbar perpetually visible onscreen | 22:31 |
| javispedro | how to achieve that? | 22:31 |
| mwichmann | they are meant for that, but it's a different paradigm | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | I like my dock, even if it is full of applicatons I don't use all the time | 22:31 |
| * Chani wibbles | 22:31 | |
| fiferboy | javispedro: I think you need a higher resolution screen | 22:31 |
| Chani | my uni is doing a special course involving meego in spring. | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | You can move them around, and put several apps into one zone | 22:31 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, interesting | 22:31 |
| RevdKathy | though then I struggle to alt tab between them | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: When I tv-out 1080 it is pervassive | 22:31 |
| Chani | but, my bf wants me to stay in berlin another semester instaed of going back to school. | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | Chani: awww, wait, he is in berlin too, right? | 22:32 |
| lcuk | Chani, long distance for a semester isnt major deal? | 22:32 |
| javispedro | fiferboy: oh :( | 22:32 |
| Chani | when is someone gonna invent cloning, damnit? ;P or teleportation, that'd work too :) | 22:32 |
| Chani | lcuk: berlin is pretty awesome though, I kinda wanna stay here | 22:33 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:33 | |
| lcuk | its a great city | 22:33 |
| * javispedro finds the best interface for the ideapad so far has been w7 with the task bar docked to the left edge. for some reason, it resembles the diablo task navigator. | 22:33 | |
| iekku | hmm, I had discussion with BF while smoking and in the same time his friend had already but the guitar to the case, does he read minds? | 22:33 |
| javispedro | I keep hitting the "clock" area of the taskbar trying to open a window list menu that is not there ;) | 22:33 |
| CosmoHill | javispedro: the best way to confuse me is to put the task bar / dock in the non-default position | 22:34 |
| * lcuk likes bottom oriented strips | 22:34 | |
| * RevdKathy wondered whether it would be a crime to reinstall windows | 22:34 | |
| javispedro | RevdKathy: the stock one is. | 22:34 |
| lcuk | errr tabstrips | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | RevdKathy: only if you torrented it | 22:34 |
| iekku | now to the bed, nice morning, day, evening, night to everyone | 22:34 |
| lcuk | gnite iekku \o | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | cyas iekku | 22:34 |
| iekku | o/ | 22:34 |
| javispedro | gnite iekku | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | Ideapad has a windows licence on the base so would be legit, I think | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | Goodnight iekku! | 22:35 |
| javispedro | RevdKathy: only starter -- and believe me, it sucks :) | 22:35 |
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| RevdKathy | javispedo: will it pick up wifi from the n900 using joikuspot? | 22:35 |
| javispedro | so unless you have another w7 license sitting around... it's not worth the effort. | 22:35 |
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| javispedro | RevdKathy: oh, meego doesn't? | 22:36 |
| RevdKathy | javispedo: no. And that's a bit of a dealbreaker for me. No net access apart from mains wifi | 22:36 |
| lcuk | javispedro, adhoc networking is notworking | 22:36 |
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| * javispedro rolls eyes | 22:36 | |
| MR2_GT | gidday! | 22:37 |
| RevdKathy | No sim connection, no drives for 3g dongle, no usb to n900, no n900 joikuspot. | 22:37 |
| RevdKathy | "connecting people... but only just" | 22:37 |
| RevdKathy | means the ideapad never leaves home, which is a bit pointless for a netbook | 22:38 |
| javispedro | I could give you the command line incantation that might at least temporarily establish the connection, but I know that isn't a solution ;) | 22:38 |
| RevdKathy | The tablet mode is... pretty limited. But I can live with that and await fixes. But the lack of any other sort of connection is a pain | 22:39 |
| RevdKathy | javispedro: would solve it short term but would be a pig to do every time I wanted to connect | 22:39 |
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| RevdKathy | Other than that, I actually quite like meego | 22:39 |
| javispedro | hum.. | 22:39 |
| javispedro | for some reason I thought joikuspot would present itself as an AP instead of adhoc | 22:40 |
| MR2_GT | 1.1 is definitely better than 1.0 | 22:40 |
| MR2_GT | :P | 22:40 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, i would like that comment you just made on the bug 440 | 22:40 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 22:40 |
| RevdKathy | which comment? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | <RevdKathy> No sim connection, no drives for 3g dongle, no usb to n900, no n900 joikuspot. | 22:40 |
| lcuk | <RevdKathy> "connecting people... but only just" | 22:40 |
| lcuk | <RevdKathy> means the ideapad never leaves home, which is a bit pointless for a netbook | 22:40 |
| lcuk | the computers *should* be connected | 22:41 |
| RevdKathy | Yeah - it's a problem. At the moment, the meego ideapad is actually achieving less than the competition is the very area it's supposed to excel in | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | i should really make a handset ux build for the ideapad.. | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, just stick Ubuntu on there. | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | Works pretty well. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i am trying also | 22:42 |
| RevdKathy | I wondered about that, too GAN900 | 22:42 |
| lcuk | but in a way which doesnt break existing | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, got any USB keys lying about? | 22:42 |
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| RevdKathy | No very big ones... but I have a 16gb card in the n900 *blushes* | 22:42 |
| javispedro | RevdKathy: that's something I was wondering, maybe it was a masterplan by Lenovo to get Meego working "better" on it ;) | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i personally dont like the netbook ux too much :P | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: so would be full replace for me | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | can those that haven't voted for bug 440 please do so now.. | 22:43 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | i would align it closer to what my joggler will run | 22:43 |
| MR2_GT | lenovo have a master plan? | 22:43 |
| fcrochik | lcuk: would be very goold if coild be like the ubuntu netbook edition... when you start the session (login) you can select the "user experience" (desktop or netbook edition) | 22:43 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: it's not short of votes! | 22:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, difference between not liking it very much and it being capable of running things | 22:43 |
| lcuk | fcrochik, thats what I would like to get to too | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, with javispedro's work its possible to make a contextkit plugin and in tablet mode have VKB pop up and in not, use hw keyboard.. | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | and then its mostly just a full screen wm | 22:44 |
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| RevdKathy | Oh, it doesn't connect to the n900 via bluetooth, either | 22:44 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: ah, Screen.TopEdge would it be (as seen today on the ML) ? | 22:45 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats less of issue, handset keyboard on lmt exists | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | and in netbook mode i actually run with keyboard open at the moment | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: thats rotation -- /maemo/internal/Keyboard | 22:46 |
| RevdKathy | Is javispedro | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 22:46 |
| RevdKathy | soops | 22:46 |
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| RevdKathy | Is Javispedro's work on the tablet mode/touch screen with keyboard around somewhere that an ordinary bear could follow? | 22:47 |
| javispedro | RevdKathy: no, not yet :) | 22:47 |
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| RevdKathy | When it is ready, please will you put it somewhere I can test :) | 22:47 |
| javispedro | well, so far, it seems it could actually go upstream.. | 22:48 |
| RevdKathy | Will it include rotation so I can read books the right orientation, please? | 22:48 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, Nokia and Intel financed the netbooks. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, liqtorch on the netbook is so bright! it lights up the whole room :D | 22:49 |
| * RevdKathy would like to use the tablet mode properly when there's a workable on-and-offable keyboard | 22:49 | |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: useful when the snow causes a powercut! | 22:49 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:49 |
| javispedro | I kinda remember someone complained that even though you can rotate the display, the touch screen mappings don't? | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Yeah, xinput rotation doesn't work for me | 22:50 |
| lcuk | saw that on debian | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | have we got any proper multitouch capable drivers/apps yet? | 22:50 |
| javispedro | yet another problem to add to list.. | 22:50 |
| RevdKathy | I think h0pbeat was working on the multitouch | 22:50 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Multitouch works, it is the netbook apps that don't take advantage | 22:51 |
| javispedro | MT would probably work better in the handset ux | 22:51 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, i know the multitouch side is there | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if people can be motivated to work on a handset ux based thing that would be directly transferable to n900 too :P | 22:52 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how to seed that | 22:52 | |
| lcuk | well Stskeeps lmt is | 22:53 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, the Ubuntu LiveCD image is only 700MB or so. | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | lmt? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | libmeegotouch | 22:53 |
| RevdKathy | Hmmm, that might work. In an ideal world, I'd like to dual boot and keep meego too | 22:53 |
| * javispedro ponders.. | 22:54 | |
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| fcrochik | RevdKathy: I must be very stupid because I could not resize the original partition to install ubuntu... I had to wipe the hardrive, install ubuntu and then install meego again | 22:54 |
| javispedro | so, when entering tablet mode, the handset ux launches. exit tablet mode to go back to netbook ux :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, the differences between handset and netbook and the way meego is built | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: with a bit of chvt magic maybe | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:54 |
| lcuk | SHOULD mean that can switch between handset and netbook | 22:54 |
| RevdKathy | fcrochik - I was afraid it might mean that | 22:55 |
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| fcrochik | RevdKathy: Maybe someone here knows how to resize the brtfs partition ...I tried a lot of things and none worked... :( | 22:55 |
| RevdKathy | fcrochik, that it can't be done that is, not that you're stupid. :p | 22:55 |
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| fcrochik | RevdKathy: We all have room for our stupid moments... I embrace mine :) | 22:56 |
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| RevdKathy | lcuk: would be good to use handset in tablet mode (or tablet?) and netbook when open keyboard | 22:56 |
| RevdKathy | fcrochik, Most of my life is stupid moments, I'm afraid. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you know how the intel/moblin guys spent a good deal of time and energy optimising startup for netbook. i have a feeling we need to organise similar for n900 | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: most of the same tricks are in use for n900 though | 22:57 |
| SineOtter | Two questions: Is it impossible to change the font size used in the IM app/Empathy? Is there a way to change the keyboard shortcuts for changing zones? P: | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, some for sure | 22:57 |
| fcrochik | Stskeeps: Is there any practical hope that we will ever be able to run meego on the n900? | 22:57 |
| fcrochik | Stskeeps: I mean....run for daily use | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | fcrochik: meego already runs there? | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | fcrochik: well, our focus is developer device and we are trying to make the experience better | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | but for all the end user stuff, add it yourself | 22:58 |
| RevdKathy | fcrochik, right now, I wouldn't want to. maemo does so much more than meego! | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:58 |
| fiferboy | How complicated is it to switch between netbook and handset UX on a single device? | 23:00 |
| * javispedro 's review of netbook ux: pros: fast boot cons: facade quickly runs out and you're thrown into a prettymuchstock Gtk+ application | 23:00 | |
| javispedro | i'd say it competes with the lenovo quickstart/devicevm stuff more than with ubuntu netbook edition | 23:01 |
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| javispedro | in fact I found it funny than on both netbookux and lenovoqs I was meeted with the stock Gaim/Purple "New account wizard" screen after selecting the menu chat option. | 23:02 |
| javispedro | virtually pixel identical. | 23:02 |
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| javispedro | the good news is that I find the netbook ux better than the lenovoqs stuff.... at least Meego has PIM functionality. | 23:03 |
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| javispedro | hm.. did I say something evil? | 23:05 |
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| RevdKathy | No, not that I was aware of. I mentioned [whispers]windows[/whispers] and didn't kill the conversation | 23:05 |
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| RevdKathy | I think everyone went to watch 'Have I got news for you' | 23:06 |
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| javispedro | well, I guess I should do that too. | 23:07 |
| javispedro | going for dinner, see you. | 23:07 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, somehow i had unfollowed @teebee76 | 23:07 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: I can recommend a good lawyer of you need one | 23:07 |
| RevdKathy | *if* | 23:07 |
| kyb3R | hmmm...was the person responsible for the events listing in meego.com...there is a false date in one event | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | :O it was only a twitter spat this time lol | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | kyb3R: that's DawnFoster | 23:07 |
| kyb3R | thiago_home: ok, thanks | 23:08 |
| DawnFoster | quim was working on fixing it, I think | 23:08 |
| DawnFoster | which event? | 23:08 |
| kyb3R | the same person who called by mistake Damn :) | 23:08 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: you missed her requesting entertainment | 23:08 |
| kyb3R | I mean, who i called | 23:08 |
| lcuk | she pushed the matter | 23:08 |
| lcuk | and i found out i had been unfollowing her for ages | 23:08 |
| kyb3R | tampere network meeting 21st should be 17th | 23:09 |
| kyb3R | it just changed | 23:09 |
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| DawnFoster | same location just change it to the 17th? | 23:11 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: yes | 23:11 |
| DawnFoster | viola! | 23:11 |
| kyb3R | DawnFoster: thanks :) | 23:11 |
| DawnFoster | happy to help | 23:11 |
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| GAN900 | I haven't been impressed with any netbook-oriented UI so far. | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | The Ubuntu Netbook Remix has always been sub-par. | 23:14 |
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| CosmoHill | GAN900: would you count the macbook air as a netbook? | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | The 11", yes. | 23:14 |
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| GAN900 | But it doesn't have a netbook Ui | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | okay so that's one | 23:14 |
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| GAN900 | and OS X isn't netbook-oriented. | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | ah I was thinking of netbooks with nice UIs | 23:15 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Have you tried the Ubuntu KDE netbook interface? | 23:18 |
| GAN900 | Not yet | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | KDE stuff usually only makes me irritated. | 23:19 |
| fiferboy | Pah! Nothing irritates you. | 23:20 |
| SineOtter | Ubuntu 10.10's Unity Netbook thing is nice, but it still has a LOT of bugs to get ironed out. | 23:20 |
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| slaine | SineOtter: I found it horrible | 23:23 |
| * slaine waves to DawnFoster | 23:23 | |
| SineOtter | slaine: it's horrible right now, yeah... But it's got promise | 23:23 |
| DawnFoster | hey slaine! | 23:23 |
| SineOtter | if they can fix some of the stupid issues with it right now like the menu proxy thing not working for a lot of apps, and the whole side bar not getting counted as used space | 23:24 |
| msvb | What's so horrible about the unity netbook UI (I've never used it so that's why I'm asking.) | 23:25 |
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| slaine | msvb: the paradigm is weird for a start, but putting that aside, it was unusably slow and buggy on an Atom N270 netbook | 23:26 |
| msvb | slaine: Wow that's too bad. | 23:26 |
| slaine | Ubuntu's KDE netbook interface suffered a similar problem | 23:26 |
| SineOtter | msvb: buggy mostly. The menu proxy compresses stuff like File, Edit, into the title bar of windows so it takes up less space, but breaks on some apps so you don't get menus at all. The dock on the side doesn't get counted as used space so when browsing fullscreen it gives you horizontal scrollbars since it gets a 1024 window not a 1024-dock window | 23:26 |
| msvb | slaine: Are you the chap who wrote the nice page on compiling a broadcom network driver for MeeGo? | 23:26 |
| slaine | though at least the Ux made sense, I'm sure the performance has improved since I last used it | 23:27 |
| slaine | msvb: yeah, that's me | 23:27 |
| SineOtter | it's anecdotal, but it runs fine on my old Wind U100 with I think an N450 or whatever | 23:27 |
| msvb | slaine: Then I've got a question, it seems that the ideapads are using Atheros chips. | 23:27 |
| slaine | SineOtter: that's a beefy processor though | 23:27 |
| SineOtter | the N270 is really that much worse? | 23:27 |
| msvb | slaine: …yet at the installfest in Dublin they were talking about proprietary broadcom drivers on these ideapads. | 23:27 |
| slaine | SineOtter: yeah | 23:27 |
| SineOtter | slaine: ouch | 23:27 |
| msvb | How is that possible to put a broadcom driver on a Atheros chipset netbook? | 23:28 |
| msvb | Or did I misunderstand? | 23:28 |
| slaine | msvb: There's a version that's got the Atheros chipset, seems to be available in the US only | 23:28 |
| auke | ideapads come with 2 different wireless chipsets | 23:28 |
| SineOtter | msvb: if I had to venture a guess, it's because there's more than one chipset used | 23:28 |
| auke | atheros was only shipped on a very minimal amount of units | 23:28 |
| slaine | All EU stock that could be sourced had the broadcom unfortunately | 23:28 |
| auke | almost all of the US and EU stock is now broadcom | 23:28 |
| SineOtter | the Wind U100 has I think three different wifi cards and two touchpad suppliers, even though they all share the same model numbers :p | 23:28 |
| auke | lenovo looked at getting atheros units but was not able to | 23:28 |
| msvb | slaine: You mean that they were giving out two different ideapads in Dublin? | 23:29 |
| msvb | The one I got has Atheros. | 23:29 |
| msvb | …in Dublin (not the U.S) | 23:29 |
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| auke | msvb: did you getyours from the conference? | 23:29 |
| msvb | It has a U.K. keyboards. | 23:29 |
| msvb | auke: Yes, and it has Atheros. | 23:29 |
| RevdKathy | msvb how did you check? | 23:29 |
| auke | msvb: then you are very lucky | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: lspci | 23:29 |
| msvb | The ATH9K driver is flaky so I'm trying to do something about it. | 23:29 |
| CosmoHill | msvb: smash it? | 23:30 |
| msvb | At least I'm trying to understand what went down in Dublin. | 23:30 |
| slaine | msvb, That's weird alright | 23:30 |
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| slaine | that was probably old stock that was scrounged up to meet the large order | 23:30 |
| auke | msvb: aparently lenovo doesn't know what they ship | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: It is listed beside "Network controller" | 23:30 |
| msvb | slaine: But why were there two sets of USB keys in at the install party (one with a red stripe?) | 23:30 |
| slaine | auke: not surprising given the lies that where told | 23:30 |
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| slaine | msvb: 'cause lots of people would take offence to using non-oss drivers I guess | 23:31 |
| RevdKathy | fiferboy, is that a line of code? | 23:31 |
| slaine | so they gave you the choice | 23:31 |
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| msvb | There's clearly a difference in what was being offered as far as MeeGo images at the install party. | 23:31 |
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| fiferboy | RevdKathy: A command for the terminal | 23:31 |
| msvb | slaine: The choice between what and what? | 23:31 |
| RevdKathy | ahh ok | 23:31 |
| auke | slaine: sorry, what lies were being told? | 23:31 |
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| RevdKathy | fiferboy, thanks :) | 23:32 |
| msvb | slaine: Okay, I know that ath9k is in the linux kernel, but what is the 'non-oss' variety? | 23:32 |
| slaine | msvb: an install with a proprietary wifi driver and an install with only the oss drivers | 23:32 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: Which do you have? | 23:32 |
| RevdKathy | fiferboy, broadcom. | 23:32 |
| msvb | I just want to try that to see if the problem lies in the kernel module that was on the USB key I used. | 23:33 |
| slaine | auke: "They'll definitely be there for Thursday", thursday arrives. "Friday, we meant Friday" friday arrives. "Yeah, the weathers really bad, they'll all definitely be there for sunday night"..... | 23:33 |
| auke | slaine: yeah lenovo wasn't much of a help | 23:34 |
| slaine | nod | 23:34 |
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| auke | Amy was going crazy | 23:34 |
| RevdKathy | I was under the impression it was the logistics - bed weather somewhere had stopped them travelling | 23:34 |
| slaine | yeah, poor amy, was stressful enough without a thousand nerds demanding their free toy that intel now owed them | 23:34 |
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| RevdKathy | There's a thread in forum about the ones that were to be shipped out not having arrived yet, too | 23:35 |
| DawnFoster | luckily, she handles stress well :) | 23:35 |
| BRANEDY | I take it you folks didn't like my blog post? | 23:35 |
| slaine | "We where promised netbooks of the free variety. I expect you to deliver" | 23:35 |
| slaine | Speaking of which, you sounded like toy'd a good break DawnFoster | 23:35 |
| fiferboy | I just hung out at the info desk to get up-to-the-minute reports | 23:35 |
| RevdKathy | Info desk was the place to be, fiferboy | 23:36 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: Cool AND cold | 23:36 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: I had a lovely vacation in Hawaii after Dublin - I thought I deserved it :) | 23:36 |
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| RevdKathy | fiferboy, but lots of fun | 23:36 |
| DawnFoster | sun and 80 degrees was a nice change from Dublin (and Portland) | 23:36 |
| RevdKathy | glad you had a good hols DawnFoster | 23:36 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: you should see Dublin now | 23:37 |
| slaine | brrrrr | 23:37 |
| RevdKathy | You deserved it after that! | 23:37 |
| slaine | The Nokians would feel right at home | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | RevdKathy: thanks! I thought about you when I walked by a gigantic teddy bear store in Waikiki :) | 23:37 |
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| RevdKathy | Hmm.. Not sure what I've done, but I seem to have enabled the top task bar permanently. Suggestions? | 23:37 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: yeah, not envying you that weather | 23:37 |
| RevdKathy | LOL DawnFoster! Should have bought yourself a Meego Bear | 23:38 |
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| fiferboy | RevdKathy: How'd you do that? | 23:38 |
| msvb | Maybe it's about the IEEE802.3 network driver. | 23:38 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: External monitor? | 23:38 |
| RevdKathy | I dunno - I hit something. I think it's an improvement | 23:38 |
| RevdKathy | no - still on the standard | 23:38 |
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| * RevdKathy wonders which key she hit | 23:39 | |
| DawnFoster | we definitely need some MeeGo dolls (like the old SuSE lizards) | 23:39 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: I was looking for that feature earlier! | 23:39 |
| BRANEDY | mece thanks for the vote of confidance | 23:39 |
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| RevdKathy | fiferboy, one of the keys in the bottom left or a combo. Windows key? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, plushies or barbies? | 23:39 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: I'm thinking plushies | 23:40 |
| RevdKathy | yep! Windows key locks the task bar in place | 23:40 |
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| RevdKathy | Well, whatdayaknow! | 23:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, :D awesome | 23:40 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: Windows key usually shows or hides, but not permanantly | 23:40 |
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| RevdKathy | I was thinking little felt plushies DawnFoster, lcuk | 23:40 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: If you launch an application is it still there? | 23:40 |
| RevdKathy | fiferboy, I have it locked | 23:40 |
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| DawnFoster | Amy was going to look into it a while back - I'll have to see if she found a company to make them | 23:41 |
| RevdKathy | No, fiferboy it goes if I launch an app. But I can leave it there and use the app I'm looking at | 23:41 |
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| RevdKathy | Usually you can't interact with an app if you have the task bar visible | 23:41 |
| fiferboy | RevdKathy: I get the same behaviour | 23:42 |
| RevdKathy | strange fiferboy | 23:42 |
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| fiferboy | If the screen resolution was bigger the bar would be permanent with the application displaying below it | 23:43 |
| fiferboy | Like when you have an external monitor | 23:43 |
| RevdKathy | ahh right | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | Saviq: if you're the one with the meego trunk on sd card, yeah, 1.2 is horrendously slow :) cgroups were enabled | 23:43 |
| RevdKathy | Time I went to bed, I guess. Thanks for the company folks | 23:43 |
| RevdKathy | cheered me up no end | 23:43 |
| DawnFoster | night RevdKathy | 23:43 |
| lcuk | gnite RevdKathy \o | 23:43 |
| Saviq | Stskeeps: yup, 's me | 23:43 |
| RevdKathy | Night all | 23:44 |
| Saviq | bye RevdKathy | 23:44 |
| msvb | RevdKathy: Good night. | 23:44 |
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| msvb | Anyone had problems with the panel-myzone when it waits on a calendar server? | 23:45 |
| Saviq | btw Stskeeps is there a place where the process of putting anything beyond 1.1 on the N900 is described? I only got it thanks to google, the wiki page only mentions the ready-made images with the FAT partition in place | 23:45 |
| msvb | By default myzone displays calendar data. If you boot and it takes 1/2 to get all the calendar data from the server, then panel-myzone displays nothing for that long. | 23:45 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, why do cgroups make things slower?! | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: i don't actually know | 23:46 |
| Saviq | also, why aren't the images built like that? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | Saviq: basically we were waiting for u-boot making it into trunk too | 23:46 |
| Saviq | ah ok, no way to build the uImage? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | Saviq: install uboot-tools manually :P | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Saviq: and at the moment, 1.2 is horribly uninteresting | 23:48 |
| Saviq | Stskeeps: I managed, was wondering why arent't the images built ready, what the problem is | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Saviq: we had higher priorities for a bit :) when the u-boot package is in both MeeGo Trunk and Trunk:Testing, we can modify the kickstart file to include it | 23:49 |
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| Saviq | sure, I'm not trying to harass anyone into doing that, it was easy enough anyway ;) | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | nah, thanks for reminding me | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'll go stick a post-it on my wall | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:50 |
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