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| vgrade | re, cambridge meet, the reply I got from Alban was from September (missed his reply in my inbox) but he has been in contact with qgil recently. I did not read the reply as negative as he did say he would do promote internally (he is the community ARM man). I said in my reply that ARM was a popular platform with meeGo at the moment with beagle, panda, MSM/QSD, N900 and tegra. Lets see what comes back. | 00:19 |
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| CosmoHill | god dammit redhat, everytime I click on "buy online" to see the price it takes me from the european website to the US | 00:19 |
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| CosmoHill | would now be a bad time to meantion that I've only been to cambridge once and it wasn't the best experience | 00:19 |
| vgrade | CosmoHill, Hi, good draw at the weekend | 00:20 |
| vgrade | Leeds vs Reading | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 00:20 |
| CosmoHill | I've not seen the video yet, should be on the bbc website soon | 00:20 |
| Myrtti | vgrade: I kinda got the idea that he was thinking we were looking for official representation, which wasn't what I personally were expecting at all - just some of their people coming up if they're interested | 00:21 |
| Myrtti | the problem at the moment is that nobody seems to give a shite | 00:22 |
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| vgrade | Things get lost in emails, lets see what the reply is | 00:23 |
| vgrade | He has been contacted on a more offical level, maybe at conference, I don't know as I could not make it | 00:24 |
| vgrade | see, http://twitter.com/AlbanRampon | 00:24 |
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| vgrade | nobody gives a *****, what makes you say that? | 00:25 |
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| Myrtti | vgrade: that there is only a handful of people actually interested in attending anything | 00:32 |
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| CosmoHill | awesome, the two people I promoted to ops don't like each other >.< | 00:34 |
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| vgrade | Myrtti, I must take some of the blame here for not getting off my butt and organising a Cambridge local network meet. I'm hopefull that ARM will host an event and in the meantime I will redouble the effort of finding a suitable venue for a pre Xmas meet. | 00:39 |
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| vgrade | night al | 00:42 |
| vgrade | l | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | bye vgrade | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | sleep well | 00:42 |
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| slaine | hmmm, that reminds me, must check back if anyone signed up to my dublin ameegos request | 00:53 |
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| * auke flings stuff at people posting surveys to open source mailinglists in general | 00:58 | |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 00:58 |
| auke | I've seen it before | 00:58 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm not on the mailing list | 00:58 |
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| auke | it irks me that the entire academic society generally thinks it's okay to intrude into communities and have those communities do their work for them | 00:59 |
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| CosmoHill | have a video to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKB4h9gvmm0 | 01:01 |
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| * slaine yawns and stretches | 01:20 | |
| slaine | time for bed | 01:20 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:20 |
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| sivang | so, I've given meego netbook ux a try over the last weeks since Dublin, but given right click is disabled and the screen takeover nature of apps | 01:41 |
| sivang | I cannot really find it usable for everyday life, | 01:42 |
| sivang | and I tried | 01:42 |
| sivang | I mean, what\s the use of having a netbook if the UX is more closely to that of a handset? | 01:42 |
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| sivang | I wonder if I'm not using it right. | 01:43 |
| sivang | oh anyway, time to do some reading | 01:44 |
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| JunJi | hi | 01:54 |
| * CosmoHill jumps on JunJi | 01:55 | |
| CosmoHill | hello | 01:55 |
| JunJi | do we have Stskeeps now? | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | maybe, can I have some context? | 01:56 |
| JunJi | I'm getting an error 'Failed to reach a server: [ Errno 111] connectoin refused' at the step6 of his OBS manual which is using the command '/usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh...' | 01:57 |
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| JunJi | do I need to modify 'localhost' in the script to my real IP? | 01:59 |
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| lcuk | JunJi, wheres the instructions you are following? | 02:01 |
| JunJi | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 02:01 |
| JunJi | I'm at the Step 6 | 02:01 |
| JunJi | I guess I got a meego release through this command but something wrong at the end | 02:02 |
| lcuk | JunJi, the command line you ran and complete error message and progress it did do is important, could you pastebin them :) | 02:04 |
| JunJi | V-box isn't supporting cut-paste :( I'm gonna type in my hand | 02:05 |
| JunJi | I ran /usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh 1.0.99.0.20101005.1 rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.99/ obs-project-config/Trunk | 02:06 |
| JunJi | and the error messages I got are | 02:06 |
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| JunJi | Sending meta data... WARNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connectoin is insecure! Failed to reach a server: [Errno 111] Connection refused | 02:06 |
| JunJi | twice of this error message.. | 02:07 |
| CosmoHill | 5 | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | hm CosmoHill do you know if rsync uses ssl? | 02:12 |
| CosmoHill | erm, I use rsync over ssh all the time | 02:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd imagine you could use it over https so yes, it should be capable of using ssl | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | the document includes a note "You'd then need to (please note the http to rsync change)" | 02:13 |
| lcuk | there is no https on that server | 02:13 |
| lcuk | that I could see anyway | 02:13 |
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| JunJi | hmm? | 02:14 |
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| JunJi | is it an easy thing to fix? | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | could it be a bad configuration | 02:14 |
| CosmoHill | like rsync it trying to use https instead of http? | 02:14 |
| JunJi | a bad configuratoin from a file? | 02:15 |
| JunJi | that I can modify? | 02:15 |
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| CosmoHill | I could just be making stuff up again | 02:16 |
| JunJi | oh you wrote a part of this manual | 02:16 |
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| CosmoHill | no no | 02:17 |
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| JunJi | so my questoin is acutally I spent 7~8 hours yesterday to get the step6 (mostly spent to download a meego release..), do I need to do it again with the new configuration? | 02:17 |
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| CosmoHill | what step did you get the issue? step 6? | 02:19 |
| lcuk | JunJi, it may have to wait until tomorrow as I believe most of the people who have run through that script will be dozing | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | johnx, ping, did you by chance get this far (I notice you have edited it) and have any idea why hes stuck? | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | JunJi: what version of rsync do you have? | 02:21 |
| JunJi | ;; | 02:21 |
| JunJi | how can I check it? actually the obs-server.i686-XXXXXX-vmx.tar.bz2 of the current server has broken so I got an old version from my co-worker | 02:22 |
| JunJi | maybe this image version is 1.1 | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | you should be able to just type "rysnc --version" | 02:22 |
| JunJi | it's 3.0.7, protocol versoin 30 | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | what time zone are you in? | 02:24 |
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| cnsmin | hi | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | JunJi: I'd say come back between 10am and 10pm CET | 02:28 |
| JunJi | CET | 02:28 |
| JunJi | I'm in Asia | 02:28 |
| JunJi | so it's 9am | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | Central European Time | 02:28 |
| JunJi | aha | 02:28 |
| cnsmin | I want to gain meego account. | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | it's between 00:30 and 02:30 for most of us | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | cnsmin: on the website or obs? | 02:29 |
| JunJi | right i just googled it | 02:29 |
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| JunJi | obs, me also need it | 02:29 |
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| JunJi | and tried to talk to x-fade but no response | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | ask lbt_away very very nicely | 02:29 |
| JunJi | what does the '_away' mean? lol | 02:30 |
| kismeter | lbt_away maybe still have a break | 02:30 |
| JunJi | I agree | 02:30 |
| JunJi | away from everthing | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | he means he might break your arm off for waking him | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | *it | 02:31 |
| JunJi | nice joke | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | speaking of sleep | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:31 |
| JunJi | usually I'm not touching anybody sleeping | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | "usually"? | 02:32 |
| JunJi | ok, definitely | 02:32 |
| JunJi | lol | 02:32 |
| JunJi | never | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | heh | 02:32 |
| CosmoHill | bye | 02:32 |
| lcuk | gnite CosmoHill \o | 02:32 |
| JunJi | gnight | 02:32 |
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| JunJi | hmm........ | 02:33 |
| cnsmin | talk to lbt for gain obs account.. right? | 02:33 |
| JunJi | lcuk: could you give me any hint for my problem? | 02:33 |
| JunJi | is It about the script? | 02:33 |
| lcuk | no JunJi, myself and cosmo have done all we can do for this evening. | 02:34 |
| JunJi | ok | 02:34 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:13 |
| JunJi | morning | 03:13 |
| hlzxy | morning | 03:15 |
| JunJi | morning | 03:15 |
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| JunJi | anybody tried Stskeeps' OBS manual? | 03:21 |
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| cnsmin | junji: i tried. | 03:28 |
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| JunJi | did you get done? | 03:29 |
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| cnsmin | no. I'm importing meego release rpms.. and adding home project.. | 03:31 |
| cnsmin | but build fail. | 03:32 |
| JunJi | build failed.. | 03:32 |
| JunJi | hmm | 03:32 |
| JunJi | which step are you at? | 03:32 |
| JunJi | what do you mean by adding home project? | 03:32 |
| cnsmin | step 9? | 03:32 |
| JunJi | I'm stuck at 6, it's saying 'Failed to reach a server:[Errno 111] Connectoin refused'.. | 03:33 |
| cnsmin | add home project to my OBS. | 03:33 |
| JunJi | have you ever seen it | 03:33 |
| JunJi | ? | 03:33 |
| cnsmin | you can ping to google in OBS? | 03:33 |
| JunJi | yes it's possible | 03:34 |
| JunJi | but http://my address is not working | 03:34 |
| JunJi | I'm using this kernel through virtual box on windows | 03:34 |
| cnsmin | i think .. | 03:35 |
| cnsmin | you retry step 3 | 03:35 |
| JunJi | actually it also says 'WARNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connectoin is insecure!' | 03:35 |
| JunJi | step3 is what I just did again ;; | 03:36 |
| cnsmin | do you have a FQDN? | 03:37 |
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| JunJi | sending meta data.. WRNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connection is insecure! Failed to reach a server: [Errno 111 | 03:37 |
| JunJi | Connection refused | 03:37 |
| cnsmin | domain name? | 03:37 |
| JunJi | no actually i'm not sure | 03:37 |
| JunJi | how can I see that? | 03:37 |
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| JunJi | I typed echo 'FQHOSTNAME="fqdn"' >> /etc/sysconfig/obs-server | 03:38 |
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| cnsmin | that is wrong. | 03:38 |
| JunJi | !! | 03:38 |
| JunJi | how? | 03:38 |
| cnsmin | you just type FQHOSTNAME=[your VM IP address] | 03:38 |
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| JunJi | wow........ | 03:38 |
| JunJi | thanks a lot I'm gonna try this right now | 03:38 |
| cnsmin | ok.. | 03:39 |
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| JunJi | do i need a reboot? | 03:40 |
| JunJi | still I can't access http://my_IP_addess | 03:40 |
| JunJi | do I type just ip without " " ? | 03:41 |
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| cnsmin | no. with "" | 03:41 |
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| JunJi | that's what I did T_T | 03:42 |
| JunJi | now I'm not getting an error message about dns at the very first screen when I log in to kernel | 03:45 |
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| JunJi | but it's saying 'welcome to opensuse build service.. connect to the web interface via: ... ' but this address isn't accessiable too | 03:46 |
| cnsmin | ping to OBS in windows.. | 03:47 |
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| JunJi | well, it's responding | 03:48 |
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| cnsmin | edit /usr/lib/obs/server/BSConfig.pm | 03:50 |
| cnsmin | my$hostname = 'IP ADDRESS'; | 03:50 |
| cnsmin | chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/{api, webui} | 03:51 |
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| cnsmin | then check lighttpd .. | 03:52 |
| cnsmin | and reboot. | 03:53 |
| JunJi | chwon: cannot access '/srv/www/obs{api,' : no such files or directory | 03:53 |
| cnsmin | nono | 03:53 |
| cnsmin | and | 03:53 |
| JunJi | without the last one? | 03:53 |
| cnsmin | "/srv/www/obs/api" | 03:53 |
| JunJi | ok | 03:53 |
| cnsmin | and "/srv/www/obs/webui" | 03:53 |
| JunJi | when i typped 'lighttpd', server.c.581 No configuratoin available. Try using -f option. | 03:54 |
| cnsmin | chkconfig -a lighttpd | 03:55 |
| JunJi | chown -R lighttpd.lightpd /srv/www/obs/api | 03:55 |
| JunJi | chown -R lighttpd.lightpd /srv/www/obs/webui | 03:55 |
| JunJi | chkcojnifg -a lighttpd | 03:55 |
| JunJi | lighttpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off | 03:56 |
| JunJi | it's the answer | 03:56 |
| JunJi | looking fine? | 03:56 |
| cnsmin | chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/api | 03:56 |
| cnsmin | chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/webui | 03:56 |
| JunJi | yes, those are what I did :) | 03:56 |
| JunJi | oops.. | 03:56 |
| JunJi | I dropped t | 03:57 |
| JunJi | but actually I typped correct things in console | 03:57 |
| cnsmin | ok. | 03:57 |
| JunJi | do I reboot? | 03:57 |
| cnsmin | reboot. | 03:57 |
| JunJi | something is added at the login | 03:58 |
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| JunJi | oops.. the api part looks working | 04:02 |
| JunJi | but webui is making a bunch of error messages.. | 04:02 |
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| JunJi | erubis 2.6.6 | 04:04 |
| JunJi | mysql:eeor:unkown dayabse | 04:04 |
| JunJi | once I log in with root | 04:04 |
| JunJi | these are showing up | 04:04 |
| cnsmin | i don't know about mysql error.. | 04:04 |
| JunJi | ** erubis 2.6.6 /srv/www/obs/webui/lib/custom_logger.rb | 04:05 |
| JunJi | anyway thanks a lot, really appreciate it cnsmin. | 04:05 |
| JunJi | how did you know these things? these are not written in the manual.. | 04:06 |
| cnsmin | you just chek this wiki.. http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 | 04:06 |
| JunJi | aha.. | 04:07 |
| JunJi | I'm gonna try this.. appreciate it again. | 04:07 |
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| cnsmin | anybody knows how to get OBS account? | 04:11 |
| JunJi | I heared that there are two kinds of OBS and common user only can use one that for only application level | 04:12 |
| JunJi | x-fade, lbt are in charge of the account work | 04:12 |
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| cnsmin | oh.. ok. | 04:13 |
| berndhs | cnsmin: yes the idea is to ask lbt or x-fade reasonably politely | 04:13 |
| berndhs | during hours when normal people in their time zone are away :) | 04:14 |
| berndhs | s/away/awake/ | 04:14 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: during hours when normal people in their time zone are awake :) | 04:14 |
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| hlzxy | anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/, everytime it show 'nothing provides' | 04:35 |
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| niala | rpmbuild ? | 04:41 |
| hlzxy | build | 04:41 |
| hlzxy | command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm | 04:42 |
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| kismeter | when I build MeeGo package on my own obs, 2 workers are busy working, 1k+ packages blocked. does any body meet this problem | 05:04 |
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| kismeter | Stskeeps: did you meet this problem? -->when I build MeeGo package on my own obs, 2 workers are busy working, 1k+ packages blocked | 05:09 |
| JunJi | Hi kimeter, did you install your own OBS by Stskeeps' manual? | 05:10 |
| kismeter | JunJi:no | 05:10 |
| JunJi | then, did you do yourself? | 05:11 |
| JunJi | Can I get any advice on it? | 05:11 |
| kismeter | JunJi:FYI http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service | 05:11 |
| JunJi | hmm.. I'm not sure what I should change to make it for MeeGo, instead of the Maemo | 05:13 |
| johnx | lcuk pinged me earlier, but I never quite got OBS working perfectly either ... | 05:14 |
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| hlzxy | anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/, everytime it show 'nothing provides' | 05:18 |
| hlzxy | command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm | 05:18 |
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| Jay_BEE | howdy | 06:09 |
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| hlzxy | anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/, everytime it show 'nothing provides' | 06:46 |
| hlzxy | command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm | 06:46 |
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| cnsmin | I'm import MeeGo project from mirrors.kernel.org on my own OBS. And this project build status is "broken". anybody know about this problem? | 06:51 |
| bubble | I am trying to install an automated testing system on meego. I installed LDTP and Dogtail but both failed to work properly, while LDTPv1 crashes on opening ldtpeditor , LDTPv2 doesn't have ldtpeditor and Dogtail recorder fails to record anything. Is there a tool present for automated testing of meego. I recently heard about TADEK but dont know much about it. | 06:54 |
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| timoph | bubble: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/OTS | 07:21 |
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| hlzxy | how to solve the problem : 'rpm verify failed' | 07:46 |
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| hlzxy | what should i do if meet 'rpm verify failed' | 08:21 |
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| hlzxy | <hlzxy> what should i do if meet problem:'rpm verify failed | 08:40 |
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| hlzxy | <hlzxy> what i should do if meet the problem: 'rpm verify failed' | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | add --nogpgcheck, check build --help | 08:58 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps:sorry, what'mean? | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: add --no-verify | 09:01 |
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| Jun | hallo | 09:01 |
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| Jun | I wanna use the latest vmx file on the server; http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.2-vmx.tar.bz2 but I'm still having a problem to extract it | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | there seems to be a problem with that file yes | 09:04 |
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| dm8tbr | actually looks like it has changed | 09:04 |
| Jun | ;( | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | try from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/2.0/images/ maybe? | 09:04 |
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| dm8tbr | timestamp says 30th, that's today | 09:05 |
| Jun | ok thanks | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | and it's build2.2 and no longer 1.7 | 09:05 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps:add it after build command? it show the same error. | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | hlzxy: in start of | 09:06 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps:build --no-verify --repository.......? it seems no change | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: don't know, check out build --help a bit and see if you can find anything | 09:10 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps:em | 09:10 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: teacher...online? waiting for you.... | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: well, probably easier to ask me questions instead | 09:12 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: yeah...i can not build ubi image.. for this option "--format=ubi". last time i use "--format=raw"... | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: the n900 image doesn't fit in ubi, you'll have to use raw | 09:16 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: but i see this : "including live CD images, live USB images, raw images for KVM, VMDK images for Vmware, vdi images for VirtualBox, loop images for IVI platforms, NAND images for Moorestown platforms, ubi images for N900, fs image for MeeGo developers." | 09:17 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: so i want to bulid ubi image... | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: yes, but that text is old :P you can generaqte ubi images but the OS doesn't fit anymre to 256m | 09:17 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: could you see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870817 ? | 09:19 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: my whole log... | 09:19 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: the 620th line...i think it isvery improtant.. | 09:21 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: the 620th line...i think it is very improtant.. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you're running out of space as i told you :) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | don't bother with ubifs for n900 handset images | 09:22 |
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| dm8tbr | Jun: so you got the tarball unpacked but the vmdk didn't work with virtualbox? | 09:25 |
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| Jun | true.. | 09:26 |
| Jun | can't believe | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | Jun: just use the raw image and qemu-img to convert it to vdi | 09:26 |
| hlzxy | seems I have no idea | 09:27 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps:" max_leb_cnt too low", I want to change it. but i can not see this command "mkfs.ubifs". ah, OK, let's finish it. and i will write the wikipeada as soon as possible. | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: how big is your NAND? | 09:30 |
| Jun | dm8tbr: my co-worker just made it working with tar ver.1.22 | 09:30 |
| Jun | I was using with the latest tar 1.3.x | 09:30 |
| Jun | no.. | 09:31 |
| Jun | not true -_-; | 09:31 |
| Jun | sorry | 09:31 |
| Jun | mine is also 1.22 | 09:31 |
| Jun | latest :( weired.. | 09:31 |
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| Jun | just please don't mind | 09:31 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps: I change the 'lua' to 'liblua' in meego1.0.conf to build meego1.1,but after that the problem appeared | 09:32 |
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| dm8tbr | Jun: I don't see 1.22 in the unstable directory | 09:34 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i don't know..N900 default configure...buy it and never change its configure. | 09:34 |
| Jun | I meant tar 1.22 | 09:34 |
| Jun | not the vmx | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: ok, then you shouldn't change the ubifs parameters,the resulting image is too big for nokia n900 | 09:34 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i search it by net... wait a moment.. | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: use microsd deployment | 09:34 |
| dm8tbr | oh, ok | 09:34 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps:other, it works on fedora, not works on ubuntu10.04 | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: ok, well, do it on fedora then | 09:39 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: what's the mean?..i don't understand.. you mean i should use raw image, not ubi image? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: yes, NAND is a too small target | 09:40 |
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| hlzxy | doing, and I want to find the reason to make it also can work on ubuntu | 09:42 |
| thiago_home | put the boot fs on the NAND and the swap | 09:42 |
| thiago_home | the rest in the internal SD or eMMC | 09:42 |
| kyb3R-fin | Myrtti: ping | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | thiago_home: definition of boot fs? | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | /boot | 09:43 |
| thiago_home | where the kernel and initrd images are | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah, - generally meego doesn't operate with a initrd | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | but we do have kernel there to some extent | 09:45 |
| Macer | omg nitdroid is awesome | 09:45 |
| Macer | :) | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: this is #meego, nitdroid isn't marginally attached to here :P try #maemo instead as that's more just-device centric | 09:47 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: but i just want to generate the image. have not install it to N900... if i just want to generate the ubi image. what should i do? | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: well, i'm telling you the problem: too much data is being installed, it does not fit in the limits of 256m compressed data | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: n900 images hasn't fit there for a good while | 09:48 |
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| Macer | heh | 09:50 |
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| Jun | hmm.. I'm trying the OBS manual again with the latest vmx 2.1.66 but 'zypper install qemu-svn git' is getting the following error; Download (curl) error for 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:11.3/standard/repodata/repomd.xml': Error code: Unrecognized error Error message: Failure when receiving data from the peer | 09:51 |
| Jun | asking me Abort, retry, ignore? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | Jun: able to access normal network? | 09:52 |
| thiago_home | the file has moved. Maybe you have to update the URL? | 09:52 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i got it..assume it can do. how to install the ubi image to n900? use flasher3.5 tool? | 09:52 |
| Jun | like ping command? yes it's working | 09:52 |
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| dm8tbr | does name resolution work? | 09:54 |
| Jun | yes, ping www.google.com is working | 09:54 |
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| Macer | sts... how is the hw coming along for meego? | 09:56 |
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| thiago_home | what HW> | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: quite decently, we have people working actively on camera side and our first policy is working (ie, plug in headset -> route audio ther), etc | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | or do you mean the HW adaptation? | 09:57 |
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| Jun | even just at the step3, can I really see the web interface by http://IP?? I can't now :( | 10:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Jun: ifconfig shows right ip? | 10:05 |
| Jun | yep | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | check the logs | 10:05 |
| hlzxy | when I use command:'rpm --import repomd.xml.key', it show 'error: repomd.xml.key: import failed' ,does rpm import work only first time? | 10:05 |
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| Jun | where is the log files? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | /obs somewhere | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, time for me to do some work | 10:06 |
| Fansy | Could anybody give me some suggestions about how to access the source code of Meego middleware services, something like multimedia. I have no ideas how to start reading the **** source code. | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Fansy: most authorative is the srpms | 10:08 |
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| Jun | is there somebody else | 10:08 |
| Jun | who tried the OBS manual | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | Jun: spend some time poking around and then ask additional questions :) that's what we did too | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | we don't know all the answers | 10:08 |
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| Fansy | Stskeeps: I don't know how to start. Another period of hard trial. | 10:10 |
| thiago_home | Fansy: multimedia is alsa + pulseaudio + gstreamer + qt multimediakit | 10:11 |
| blitztide | can you install virtualbox on the meego os for netbooks so you can use a minimalistic OS thn run windows in a virtual environment for other tasks like CAD? | 10:11 |
| blitztide | i'm not sure how the applications work on the OS | 10:12 |
| thiago_home | why would you run CAD on a netbook? :-) | 10:12 |
| blitztide | is there a terminal? | 10:12 |
| thiago_home | yes | 10:12 |
| blitztide | noo i want to install the meego netbook OS on my pc as i don't want to do work all the time and it makes it look easier XD | 10:12 |
| slaine | Applications->System->Terminal | 10:12 |
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| blitztide | can you install virtual box? | 10:13 |
| blitztide | and what is meego based on | 10:13 |
| thiago_home | meego | 10:13 |
| blitztide | does it have apt? | 10:13 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:13 |
| blitztide | hmm okay | 10:13 |
| slaine | blitztide: there's no virtualbox packages in the repository | 10:13 |
| slaine | atm, it's geared towards netbooks | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: /obs/log | 10:13 |
| blitztide | ahh allright thanks | 10:13 |
| slaine | http://help.meego.com/ | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: look at that dir | 10:13 |
| slaine | for an overview | 10:13 |
| blitztide | any ideas on what OS i would need for what i'm trying to achieve? | 10:14 |
| slaine | Windows | 10:14 |
| Fansy | thiago_home: Thanks. I know a little about alsa and gstreamer, came from android project. Any other advices? | 10:14 |
| blitztide | haha yeahh i'm trying for something more minimalistic though :/ | 10:14 |
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| thiago_home | Fansy: yes, "it's hard" :-) | 10:14 |
| blitztide | oh well thanks anyway guys | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Fansy: wiki.meego.com/MPG might be good in the future | 10:15 |
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| Fansy | Stskeeps: hope so | 10:16 |
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| sandst1 | Fansy: srpms in http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/, you can extract the package contents with 'rpm2cpio <xyz.rpm> | cpio -idmv' | 10:22 |
| kismeter | Stskeeps: I build meego packages on my own obs, but 1k+ packages blocked. did you meet this problem | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | kismeter: did you import all packages? if so, 1k+ packages blocked is a healthy sign | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | sandst1: probably better to use repo.meego.com | 10:23 |
| kismeter | Stskeeps: yes I import all packages | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | kismeter: as long as so of them are building | 10:23 |
| sandst1 | Stskeeps: ah, true | 10:23 |
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| sandst1 | Fansy: so use http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/ instead | 10:24 |
| kismeter | Stskeeps: some packages build many times, is that normal? | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 10:25 |
| Fansy | sandst1: yeah, I see. thanks | 10:25 |
| kismeter | Stskeeps:thanks | 10:26 |
| Fansy | sandst1: Should I extract all 1124 packages ^_^ | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: if you want to look at all of them | 10:27 |
| sandst1 | Fansy: ^^ you mentioned gstreamer, so grab that and e.g. the gst-plugins -packages | 10:27 |
| sandst1 | Fansy: taking a look at the tutorials in gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation is also quite useful | 10:28 |
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| Fansy | sandst1: Okay, thanks. | 10:28 |
| kismeter | does meego use wayland with x-server? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | kismeter: no, but people are looking at wayland | 10:29 |
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| dm8tbr | whoa, opensuse is pushing builds faster to the obs unstable directory than I can reload pages ;) | 10:32 |
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| dm8tbr | build is now at 2.3 | 10:32 |
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| csj | Hi, if I have one package which has many version rpms in my repo pool, why 'build' can not choose the latest one to use? | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | csj: may be a bug in build then | 10:36 |
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| csj | Stskeeps, oops, I have the same answer in mailing list, and the script is written in perl :( | 10:37 |
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| csj | know none about perl :( | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
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| copyleft | csj: It's likely a bug in "build --repository", but osc build pre-prase BuildRequires and generated a correct rpmlist for build :p | 10:45 |
| copyleft | csj: obs won't have this bug. | 10:45 |
| csj | copyleft, ok, thanks :) | 10:46 |
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| copyleft | csj: you gotta send a patch to opensuse build service. hehe | 10:48 |
| Jun | ok, I figured out some facts. In the Virtual Box, I can get an external files through 'wget' with NAT network adapter but if I use Bridged Adapter to get a real IP, wget isn't working. Could I stay with a real IP which is accessible from outside and also is able to get outside? | 10:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jun: how Bridged works depends on how your physical network works | 10:53 |
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| Jun | hmm.. | 10:53 |
| Jun | but my Ubuntu with the bridged adapter is working correctly.. | 10:54 |
| Jun | I will try more | 10:54 |
| Jun | thanks | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can try using ping first :) | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | to see how much of your stack is there | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | wget might be trying to honor a proxy or something similarly funny | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | and moo here too | 11:53 |
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| hlzxy | anybody meet the problem 'rpm verify failed' when use 'build' | 12:00 |
| csj | hlzxy, maybe you should import gpg key | 12:01 |
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| csj | rpm --import http://xxxxxxxx/repomd.xml.key | 12:02 |
| hlzxy | csj:em, yes,I use command:'rpm --import repomd.xml.key', it show 'error: repomd.xml.key: import failed' , | 12:02 |
| kedz | hlzxy, or if you using zypper then zypper can do it for you automatically for all repositories: zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh | 12:03 |
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| csj | hlzxy, I fixed the issue by doing that and I successfully imported it, don't know why you get error :( | 12:03 |
| hlzxy | csj:I think I have done it , and it may be done first time, and you use it again? | 12:04 |
| hlzxy | kedz: I am on ubuntu10.04,and I don't know how to that | 12:05 |
| csj | hlzxy, no, I did once, then build runs ok | 12:05 |
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| hlzxy | csj: you sue which package? I want to build a meeg1.1 rpm | 12:06 |
| hlzxy | csj: you use which package? I want to build a meeg1.1 rpm | 12:06 |
| hlzxy | csj: ' rpm --import ', I could not use it second time, all show falied | 12:06 |
| csj | hlzxy, I modified xorg package, but I use Fedora to use build. not in ubuntu | 12:07 |
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| hlzxy | csj: it woeks normal in my fedora host ,but I want to make it work on my ubuntu host | 12:08 |
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| csj | hlzxy, that's sound wierd, maybe I'll try ubuntu later | 12:09 |
| kismeter | hlzxy: your company have firewall, you need proxy | 12:10 |
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| hlzxy | kismeter: so why it can work on fedora? | 12:10 |
| kismeter | hlzxy:I mean import key | 12:11 |
| hlzxy | csj: I am puzzled to 'rpm --import ', could you use it import the same key many times? | 12:11 |
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| hlzxy | kismeter: but I success sometime | 12:12 |
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| csj | hlzxy, I reboot to fedora and try it. | 12:14 |
| bradass | any hot polk county girls | 12:14 |
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| bradass | or near there | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | bradass: wrong channel to ask for that, sorry | 12:14 |
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| csj | hlzxy, no, I can not import twice in Fedora. | 12:19 |
| hlzxy | csj: en , It seems normal | 12:19 |
| csj | hmm, I go ubuntu to try if the same with you. | 12:20 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: You got a "import read failed" or just "import failed"? | 12:46 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:import failed | 12:47 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: try -vv? | 12:48 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:you mean :rpm --import -vv key? | 12:49 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:seems the same | 12:49 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:same error, and show many other information | 12:50 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft: I think I have imported it successful first time | 12:53 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft: I just changed the 'lue' to 'liblua' in meego1.0.conf to build 1.1 rpm. and the error appeared | 12:55 |
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| Macer | so is meego worth trying out yet? | 13:03 |
| Macer | on the n900 | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | try it out, grab the demo image, make your own opinion but don't bitch about it until you've submitted bug reports ;) | 13:03 |
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| lolloo | hehehe | 13:04 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 13:05 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: the modem works? | 13:08 |
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| hlzxy | so pity,I must go back | 13:08 |
| Macer | :) | 13:08 |
| Macer | i was shocked to see the nitdroid modem worked so well | 13:08 |
| Cui_ | how could I get the account of OBS system? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yes it does, if you have a pin-less SIM - you can make calls (with audio) and send/recv SMS but 3G data isn't supported by the UI yet | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: and their stuff works cos of our work to open source the telephony bits and make it work :) | 13:10 |
| Cui_ | i am contacting Ibt | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: shame nitdroid seems half dead nowadays, central developer seems to have moved on to new pastures | 13:10 |
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| Macer | whoah now | 13:14 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: online? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: a little | 13:16 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: see this website: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Tyson/Adding_a_package_to_a_MeeGo_Image | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | looks nice :) | 13:17 |
| * Stskeeps bookmarks | 13:17 | |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i'm off now.. go home... | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | have a good evening | 13:17 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: see you | 13:18 |
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| GF911 | Hi, guys. I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville? | 13:46 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: yeah, I can't import it twice on Debian either. | 13:48 |
| tcs-meego | I am doing the following QEMU_NOGRAPHIC=yes mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron | 13:50 |
| tcs-meego | i have virtualization enabled | 13:50 |
| tcs-meego | ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 6666: Connection refused | 13:50 |
| tcs-meego | [ 458.885747] qemugl[1700]: segfault at 4d0 ip 002372e7 sp bffab700 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[208000+119000] | 13:50 |
| tcs-meego | my dmesg gives me | 13:51 |
| tcs-meego | has anybody else come across this issue? | 13:51 |
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| uhef | dayod meeting <3 | 13:54 |
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| vilvo | meego-qa-tools weekly meeting @ #meego-meeting in 5 minutes. welcome! | 13:55 |
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| GF911 | I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville? | 14:03 |
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| techman | hi can enybody help? :) | 15:17 |
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| techman | i install meego 1.1 on my asus eepc, but nothing seems to work | 15:19 |
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| CosmoHill | Atom or Celeron processor? | 15:21 |
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| techman | celeron processor | 15:22 |
| achipa | bazinga | 15:22 |
| CosmoHill | ah, your laptop isn't supported by MeeGo | 15:22 |
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| achipa | ~ssse3 | 15:23 |
| techman | :( | 15:23 |
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| CosmoHill | techman: MeeGo currently requires a processor with SSSE3 support such as the Intel Atom or Intel Core 2 or newer | 15:29 |
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| GF911 | I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville? | 15:29 |
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| slaine | techman: closest you could get would be to try out the Smeegol release or the Fedora 14 install with Meego UX | 15:38 |
| slaine | Smeegol = OpenSuse + Meego UX | 15:39 |
| lcuk | GF911, did you try speaking to your vendor about this issue (was it purchased specifically for meego sdk usage from them?) | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: you're a device porter aren't you? what is your initial reaction when seeing http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/AdaptationIF ? | 15:40 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: it's big and I'm in a meeting would be my initial reaction ;) | 15:40 |
| slaine | I'll check it out later, give me a poke | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:41 |
| * slaine nods and smiles approvingly as if he heard what was just said | 15:41 | |
| jonnor | Stskeeps: since each section has the same structure, you might want to consider using a table | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe - layout can be improved for sure, was more in terms of conent | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | content | 15:42 |
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| GF911 | lcuk, yes, it was purchased for meego and now it looks like this system is so damn unstable and weak. It can't even hold wifi right. I don't know, maybe it's really a hardware problem... but on meego page there's a statement that Russelville is 100% supported. | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | ok GF911 back up the things you say with links, it helps to add context. now, what did your vendor say about your experience with the kit, is it the same as they know or are they also investigating this? | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | \o ta | 15:50 |
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| CosmoHill | you're welcome | 15:53 |
| CosmoHill | I'm sat in my duvet watching the snow fall | 15:53 |
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| GF911 | lcuk, it's the same kit. For example, meego can't update itself due to "security signature not found" message. What's that? There are no security settings as I see. | 16:07 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: +1 on the bug number thing, btw | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | GF911, you are talking like everyone also has the kit and software versions infront of them, slow down - did your vendor say they were also having the same issues | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ignoring the case at hand, i think that a golden rule should be "if you open source a project, do it completely, have bugtracker in public and only that one" | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:10 |
| jedix | and only that one? | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, Stskeeps - i can understand his issue, it will be the same for many vendors. take something as simple as Qt itself | 16:11 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: content looks good from a starting ref point of view | 16:11 |
| lcuk | they have their own bugtracker | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed; my reaction was largely one of "why do I, as a consumer of the MeeGo project give a damn about your internal bug tracker - I want to know why stuff is changing; not just what" | 16:11 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Perhaps a problem with mixing roles of developers, maintainers and packagers. | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, supposing hermes was in meego, its not just the thing about private tracker | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're mainly seeing transitional problems as there's a lot of harmattan content being dragged in | 16:14 |
| lcuk | hermes has bugs already on bugs.maemo.org | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed; but you're assuming that as Hermes maintainer I'll also be packaging it for MeeGo | 16:14 |
| lcuk | and may infact be fixed based on those bugs | 16:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Which isn't how "most" things work in other distros | 16:14 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I haven't checked the guidelines in question in detail, but from the bit snipped it would seem *any* public bug tracker (with sufficient information) could meet the guidelines | 16:15 |
| * Jaffa has been dealing with similar issues at work recently with different JIRA projects contributing to the same codebase. | 16:15 | |
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| GF911 | lcuk, ok, I'll start from the far. Is there any way to download Meego updates and install them offline? | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | mwichmann: quick comment: ARM doesn't qualify for OpenGL 2.1 requirement | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | mwichmann: so in practice no ARM impls can be compliant - can we fix this? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | OpenGL 2.1 on X86 and OpenGL ES 2.0 on ARM | 16:31 |
| mwichmann | I guess can do this | 16:31 |
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| mwichmann | the data I got was the only thing supported now was OGL, | 16:31 |
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| mwichmann | but I guess that info came from "Atom people" only :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's why reviews are good ;) | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | as an example, X86 qt is built against GL, ARM one is built against GLES2 | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | so that's the basis | 16:32 |
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| mwichmann | okay | 16:36 |
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| mwichmann | sheesh, get comments before I even get the email out :) (guess the wiki watch feature actually works) | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | worst part was that i didn't even use wiki watch | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:37 |
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| Jaffa | mwichmann: Where's the drafting done, btw? Mark Skarpness said meego-dev, but I can see feedback there but no internal discussion as to the new wording; and - from above - it doesn't sound like new drafts are being collaborated on in the wiki; instead if being used as a way of publicising the current draft. | 16:39 |
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| mwichmann | drafting done in the doc; | 16:40 |
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| mwichmann | more work-in-progress stuff on the wiki (there's one link there now) | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: as i understand it there's one editor and many comments both publically and privately, with state of document being published often | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: along with 'diff' in the document indicating changes | 16:41 |
| mwichmann | once we get this one out I'd like to look at getting this thing out of @%#$$@! ms-word so it's a little more accessible, and maybe can have "sources in version control" | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: there's an initiative to do this on wiki, like handset section | 16:41 |
| mwichmann | or maybe move the whole "next version" stuff to wiki, although I like that less as it's harder to turn into a finished "book" | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | LaTeX ;) | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | mwichmann: Parsing MediaWiki syntax and/or book-like CSS isn't too hard. | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: out of curiousity, what'd be a proper way in your opinion for such a spec? | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Tricky. | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, ultra-open is git and merge requests | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just annoying | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'd be tempted to go for a markup-format with limited capabilities (maybe Markdown, for example) which was version controlled in git; with patches in bug tracker | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Why? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | high bar of participation | 16:46 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The spec should have a limited number of maintainers, just like any artefact - a wiki doc is a bit too wild and unstructured to my mind | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | like, let's say, a business manager at some random vendor wants to propose a wording.. he would have to check out git, learn merge requests, etc | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Doesn't preclude any other feedback channels, and ensures you don't get blatting of changes when someone copies & pastes their complete copy into the wiki. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | and submit change | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: True. There must be good, controlled, workflow-driven DMS systems | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Not to say one couldn't be built on top of git | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | But the Compliance Spec is, arguably, the single most important part of the MeeGo project. | 16:48 |
| Jaffa | Well, it will be when more apps are compliant than not, but that's a different matter ;-) | 16:48 |
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| GF911 | Guys, is there any way to download Meego updates and install them offline? | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | rsync them? | 16:56 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: the VMX tarball of obs consistently fails to work for me. even the newest one. I have no idea what the OBS guys are using, but it's certainly not regular Virtualbox. I'd strongly recommend to use the bzip2 raw image and convert it with e.g. 'qemu-img convert -O vdi obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.3.raw obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.3.vdi' | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: could you add that to the wiki page? | 16:57 |
| dm8tbr | it's your private page, so I didn't want to mess with it | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah, it's edit-able :P | 16:57 |
| dm8tbr | I'll edit it from home. don't have my meego.com credentials stored in the orkplace browser yet | 16:58 |
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| barisione | the meego chroots bind mount /var/lib/dbus and /var/run/dbus into their own /var/lib/dbus and /var/run/dbus. what is the point of doing that? | 16:59 |
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| pexi_ | http://cgi.ebay.de/NOKIA-PROTOTYPE-C-N00-N86-12-Megapixels-Phone-N87-/290506017331?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43a3820a33 | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | mwichmann: thanks for changing :) | 17:43 |
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| CosmoHill | oh dear, MS are dropping IA-64 support | 18:57 |
| luisbg | CosmoHill, O_O | 18:57 |
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| CosmoHill | good thing you guys talked me out of buying that server | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: [citation needed] | 18:57 |
| mwichmann | as one who has an Itanium box, and lives in a place with cold winters, I can tell you they /are/ useful :) | 18:58 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.techeye.net/chips/microsoft-kills-off-itanium-server-support | 18:58 |
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| mwichmann | the announcement is old news, really (april if I recall) | 18:59 |
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| CosmoHill | yes but I only read it today | 19:00 |
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| CosmoHill | oo decreased boot time for R2, I could do with that | 19:03 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, does your cluster software work on meego? did you once say there was a linux implementation? | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | my cluster will be running openmpi | 19:04 |
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| CosmoHill | the software I have been writing for my assignment uses openmpi | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | actually it uses MPI so any implementation should work | 19:06 |
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| lcuk | cool beans CosmoHill | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | atm it's mostly running this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_HPC_Server_2008 | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, how come you didnt use the linux version mostly, especially thinking about your lfs roots | 19:10 |
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| CosmoHill | it's meant to be dual boot | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | but rocks seems to fall over at little things | 19:10 |
| lcuk | dual boot is always hard for real usage | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | atm it can't connect to the DNS so it doesn't boot | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | the idea is that the two head nodes are always on | 19:11 |
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| CosmoHill | towards the end of the semester you can have more linux slaves than windows slaves as this is what is required by the students | 19:11 |
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| CosmoHill | next semester when a linux cluster isn't required you can have 2 or 3 slaves for the students to play on and the rest are windows for the engineering student's software | 19:12 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, what happens in a power/network outage, does it respond like domain election process? | 19:13 |
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| CosmoHill | in a power outage it will just turn off | 19:13 |
| CosmoHill | I'll tell you about the network later since the switch needs a new fan | 19:14 |
| Myrtti | I need to drink less coffee in the evenings | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQVZvGoMaQ | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | the intro is really loud for some reason | 19:15 |
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| Myrtti | I feel like an idiot now, really | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | why? | 19:20 |
| Myrtti | bug 10443 | 19:20 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10443 maj, Undecided, ---, henri.bergius, NEW, Thumbs up/down to news doesn't work as expected | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | oo | 19:20 |
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| Myrtti | oh lord | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | yes my child? | 19:26 |
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| npm_ | Q: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS says "Host must support SSSE3 instructions" --> does that mean i can't use my 3.4G Phenom II 965 ?? (sse4a) | 19:46 |
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| npm | or can this be worked around? | 19:46 |
| lcuk | hmm missed call, wasnt from round here was it | 19:47 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: either that or you didn't like them | 19:49 |
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| CosmoHill | npm: at the moment I don't think you can since parts of meego require SSSE3 to run | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | npm: it may manifest itself in build errors, hence the warning | 19:50 |
| jonnor | npm: if you CPU has SSE4a, it will have SSE3 instruction set as well | 19:50 |
| jonnor | well, in all cases I've seen | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | jonnor: three Ss | 19:50 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, was foreign number and I was eating mashed potato at the time :P | 19:51 |
| CosmoHill | okay sod that, now I want mash | 19:51 |
| npm | thanks for the infos CosmoHill & jonnor .... i guess i should just use the public obs then | 19:51 |
| lcuk | luke came downstairs nice and calm, got his tea, sat down and said "your phones ringing" :@ | 19:51 |
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| CosmoHill | lols | 19:52 |
| jonnor | CosmoHill: ah, indeed. And AMD does not support them on anything before Bobcat and Bulldozer | 19:53 |
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| npm | bobcat and bulldozer being which products? | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | new ones | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | they're 6 core aren't they? | 19:54 |
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| odin_ | they target mobile, I think its integrated gfx and a few cores at most | 19:56 |
| npm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#.22Deneb.22_.28C2.2FC3.2C_45_nm.2C_quad-core.29 ... "All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4a, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet, AMD-V" | 19:56 |
| * odin_ wonders that happens when AMD release incompatible binaries to intel hardware | 19:57 | |
| npm | bobcat/bulldozer aka athlon II neo k625 ?? | 19:57 |
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| auke | geesh | 19:59 |
| auke | what's with people this morning? | 19:59 |
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| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_%28processor%29 | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | auke: "omg snow" was my morning's thought | 20:00 |
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| auke | omg bikeshed was my though :( | 20:00 |
| CosmoHill | go on... | 20:01 |
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| * npm is glad amd finally joined meego | 20:01 | |
| CosmoHill | lcuk, oh yeah, our ukalipus (spelling?) tree is 1m shorter than it was yesterday because of the snow | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | maybe 2m | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | terrible spelling CosmoHill | 20:03 |
| lcuk | and I didnt know you moved to Aus? | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | huh? | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Environment.IsDark , Environment.IsBright | 20:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, shades of grey? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | so i guess if both are no, Environment.Emo? | 20:04 |
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| Tili | got meego on sdcard but flasher doesn't detect n900 when connected without turning on. using windows | 20:10 |
| Tili | windows complains that usb connected in incomptable mode | 20:10 |
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| Tili | i got nokia pc suite installed fyi | 20:10 |
| npm | so it appears the diff between meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 and the daily snapshots is that i need to run flasher or follow instructions like http://wiki.meego.com/User:Tyson/Adding_a_package_to_a_MeeGo_Image and create my own from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.8.20101126.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 20:10 |
| npm | howcome the daily builds don't include the /boot sector so that the mmc card boots w/o flashing? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | we didnt get that implemented in official release process yet | 20:11 |
| npm | and what happens when i run the 11/26 version on my n900 ? will it be worth the effort? | 20:12 |
| * npm hoping it resolves the n900 hard crashes after a few hours of displaying 'ssh -f -Y meego@192.168.0.101 "exec emacs >/dev/null 2>&1 </dev/null"' | 20:14 | |
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| Stskeeps | 1.2 isnt exactly stable yet :) | 20:15 |
| npm | isn't 1.1.80 an updated/patched/latest 1.1? | 20:15 |
| npm | or is it 1.2? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | its 1.2 | 20:16 |
| npm | i guess the best question to ask is what's the latest and greatest most stable 1.1 image for my n900 | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php - 'demo' image | 20:16 |
| npm | and yes i'll file a bug report as soon as i figure out whether the issue came from SSH, xauth, X, emacs or some other aspect of running X over an "ssh -Y" connection | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | high usb traffic has a problem yea | 20:17 |
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| npm | Stskeeps: ah, i hadn't tried the demo image. thanks for the suggestion. i'll give it a go. | 20:18 |
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| npm | Stskeeps: i was using wireless networkig | 20:18 |
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| npm | for the ssh&tunneled x connections | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | npm: hmm | 20:23 |
| david001 | Hi, I wanna configure a meego image to run a custom QT application after startup, Can I do that by just configuring the .ks file ? | 20:24 |
| auke | you'll have to modify the startup scripts | 20:24 |
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| auke | those are in packages | 20:24 |
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| auke | of course, you can always edit your image to add a custom uxlaunch config file to do that | 20:25 |
| npm | Stskeeps: stskeeps -- aka i just booted meego straight off mmc card w/ meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 ... i was then surprised that the other images had no /boot and didn't boot automaticlaly in uboot | 20:25 |
| david001 | auke: ok, i'll try that, thanks | 20:26 |
| npm | no usb networking setup, only wireless. and sshd ... | 20:26 |
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| npm | and of course zypper install emacs | 20:27 |
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| david001 | auke: for the second option, would i have to rebuild uxlaunch os base package? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | the kickstart language allows you to specify your own session script, afaik | 20:36 |
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| auke | david001: you could just make a package that adds only a config file, yes | 20:38 |
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| auke | or even do it in the kickstart, but I personally don't know how | 20:39 |
| * auke never makes images | 20:39 | |
| Stskeeps | desktop --autologinuser=meego --defaultdesktop=DUI --session="/usr/bin/mcompositor" | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 20:40 |
| david001 | auke: ok | 20:40 |
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| centoslinux | is it possible to playback DVD in Meego 1.1? | 20:42 |
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| auke | you may have to install additional codecs | 20:43 |
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| centoslinux | oky | 20:43 |
| msvb | Codecs are lacking alot. | 20:43 |
| msvb | I tried making a gst-plugins-ugly package... | 20:44 |
| msvb | But there are too many missing dependencies (no x264 in the repos.) | 20:44 |
| auke | msvb: we can't legally provide those codecs on meego.com | 20:44 |
| msvb | auke: Yes I know and understand the reasons. | 20:45 |
| msvb | …but there is no good reason to not provide x264 and other nonencumbered formats so that a 3rd party developer could package the ugly plugin. | 20:45 |
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| auke | I'll ask our lawyer about x264 | 20:45 |
| auke | how is that? | 20:46 |
| msvb | That's great, thanks. | 20:46 |
| msvb | We'll have to sort this with codecs out in some way. | 20:46 |
| auke | but in general, meego policy is not to package "unused" items | 20:46 |
| auke | if it's legal to provide just that component, we can package it in the community OBS though | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | auke: you obviously missed the opencv discussion ;) (re "unused") | 20:47 |
| msvb | We're inching a long of course, but everybody saying no its not possible will not help to get codecs in some place (unofficially.) | 20:47 |
| msvb | No way to play DVD or H.264 video, MP3 audio and so on is going to piss off a lot of people who expect that. | 20:48 |
| auke | Stskeeps: read it but... what was the conclusion? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i'm not sure, really | 20:48 |
| msvb | There is no conclusion yet. | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | msvb: well, we're delivering a platform, not a end-user experience | 20:48 |
| auke | Stskeeps: hehe that | 20:48 |
| auke | Stskeeps: hehe that's what I thought | 20:48 |
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| msvb | Stskeeps: Not sure what you mean 'we', because this IRC channel has a few folks like me. | 20:49 |
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| msvb | …loose developers who package gst-plugsins-ugly for example. | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | msvb: as in what's shipped off repo.meego.com | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | it's up to someone else to create a product/productize it, with all those nice bits | 20:50 |
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| ali1234 | you do realise that that's going to make meego certification (or whatever you're calling it) worthless... | 20:50 |
| msvb | Stskeeps: Okay, that right. I already know that the official repo is very good even without enough codecs. | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | because everyone will package a different set of codecs | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | there's a meego cert? | 20:51 |
| msvb | Yes, ali1234 that's just what I'm doing now. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: if they stick to gstreamer interfaces, how will apps tell the difference? | 20:51 |
| msvb | Packaging things unofficially and signing the packages with my private key. | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, gst-dsp makes sense on OMAP3 but not on moorestown | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: oh, now i remember what i was going to be asking you about: what would be a reason why bootchart would start ignoring the entire startup sequence of uxlaunch + xorg? | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: gstreamer has nothing to do with it, if my meego TV has only mpeg2 and my meego phone has only h.264 and my meego fridge has only ogg theora, they're not going to work together | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: win for vorbis and theora ;) | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | works everywhere ;p | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i know that's now how the world works) | 20:53 |
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| ali1234 | itym everywhere except places that rely on DSP for decoding | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | not, i mean | 20:53 |
| lcuk | ali1234, the point was made clearer by lack of mp3 on the meego image for the ideapad | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | well the point is not about any single codec | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i have a svg example where we're pretty certain xorg actually started up | 20:53 |
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| ali1234 | it doesn't just lack mp3 btw, it also lacks pretty much any kind of mpeg afaict | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | that means it also doesn't work with tv tuners, dvds... | 20:54 |
| lcuk | well ali1234 that was the first observation from folks since many have music with them on other devices in that format | 20:54 |
| lcuk | since it has neither a tvtuner nor a dvd drive that was less of an issue | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: well, is there a good and legal way to do it? i mean, we can't do compliance with stuff everyone can't have | 20:54 |
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| ali1234 | but the problem is if you dodge the issue by saying "well vendors have to make the complete experience" then you will end up with every vendor using a different codec, and meego devices won't work together like they are supposed to... and i thought that was the whole point | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | ++ | 20:55 |
| jonnor | ali1234: how would that make them "not work together"? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | jonnor: i just described how | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | video recorded on your meego phone won't play on your meego tv | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | because they use different codecs | 20:56 |
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| jonnor | You're right, that is a problem. | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: i think that might be worth a discussion on meego-dev | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | i don't have any answers unfortunately | 20:57 |
| lcuk | ali1234, but you have a very clear problem statement. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | that is a good place to start a discussion from :) | 20:58 |
| jonnor | and raising issues can be useful even if there are no immediate answers | 20:58 |
| * Stskeeps 's with lcuk on that one | 20:58 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, ice? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | or just bad driver? :D | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: well, if they're all networked devices somehow, technically all devices can grab a codec from online repositories | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | and solve issue that way | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | only if someone creates such a repository :) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | usually people do | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | even then, it is a bit iffy... | 21:01 |
| csdb | I think one thing that compounds this problem is that, while it is said that repo.meego.com is platform not product - it is also the place people are told to download Netbook UX images from | 21:01 |
| csdb | which makes it a product... | 21:01 |
| Myrtti | Canonical sells fluendo gst plugins. | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | csdb: yeah, marketing has been a bit personality split in that area.. | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | csdb: yep, i agree | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | compacted ice | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | made by his car :p | 21:02 |
| Myrtti | so perhaps if the vendors don't ship with the codecs, they could be bought by the users in a similar way | 21:02 |
| CosmoHill | he gets close then his wheels spin and he goes side ways | 21:02 |
| csdb | I didn't hear anyone saying at the conference "here's the platform on the usb, not get your product somewhere else" :-) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | csdb: but was there any other way to start platform hype with no products on market, is the other side of the coin | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | also, yeah, meego store can just have all the codecs in it, thne people can see what this stuff actually costs, and decide if they want to buy it | 21:03 |
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| csdb | Stskeeps, I understand the conflict - but the fact is people are told to download their netbook UX images from Meego. | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder where the promised netbook products are :) | 21:04 |
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| csdb | to me "images==product" | 21:04 |
| jonnor | ali1234: That is a nice solution for several reasons. If tied in with an easy installer solution (which is possible with gstreamer), the user experience is pretty good | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | i think most people are wondering where the promised handset products are :) | 21:04 |
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| jonnor | "this video requires codec X, you can get it here for X money" | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | csdb, hardware products are bought from a shop and entail complete end to end experience. | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | jonnor: yes, the only problem is when annoying_company_X makes a meego camcorder which only uses their proprietary codec, and sell the codec for a ridiculous amount (or not at all) | 21:05 |
| csdb | lcuk, SW products have been available online for ages... | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | csdb: maybe we should start shipping in tar.gz'es to drive the point home | 21:05 |
| jonnor | ali1234: one could require that the used codecs are from a certain set for compliance | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, it's a challenge :/ | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | ali1234: is your point "proprietary codecs are bad"? | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | Myrtti: no, not at all | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | just checking | 21:06 |
| lcuk | csdb, then enjoy it now :) but in general a product coming from the largest handset/silicon manufacturers in the world would include a box | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i wouldn't mind buying a touchscreen for my wall without OS contents, personally | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | Myrtti: but what i don't want to see is the situation like we have today with upnp devices, where they can all see each other, but they can't play the files due to codec issues | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: i thought upnp had transcoding though | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, many tv's only does for example mpeg2 over dlna | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats because that is what you do. but for the other 99.9999999% of the population that wouldnt be useful | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: no, it is just a http server with autodiscovery and a xml api for controlling playback | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | the files that are served up are just... the files | 21:08 |
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| ali1234 | some devices may implement transcoding with some tricks but there is nothing in the upnp spec about it, or what codecs you should support | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | so it is just free for all | 21:09 |
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| csdb | lcuk, agree on HW product. But if you compare to Ubuntu, FC, etc... Meego is a product like they are (at least its being marketed as such). Look at www.meego.com "Meego v1.1 for Netbooks" on the front has a "download" link to the img | 21:09 |
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| ali1234 | and so different brands rarely work together, even though that was the whole point | 21:09 |
| lcuk | csdb, sure | 21:09 |
| lcuk | and it works | 21:09 |
| * lcuk was running it on eee the other night happily | 21:09 | |
| csdb | as a platform :-) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | apart from the single annoyance: touch screen didn't react ;) | 21:10 |
| jonnor | As an end-user experience I find the Meego Netbook image sadly lacking | 21:10 |
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| jonnor | The expectations of end-users needs to match what they get. I'm not quite sure if the current Meego Netbook image download solution lives up to that | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | jonnor, in what regard, and are these things which can be put into bug reports or general observations | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, interesting - acer wants to make meego handsets | 21:20 |
| lcuk | good | 21:21 |
| lcuk | about time, they have a nice dual touchscreen laptop | 21:21 |
| lcuk | Iconia | 21:21 |
| lcuk | once we get meego into shape it will be nice on there :) | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, hi, do you have any lemsip? | 21:23 |
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| RevdKathy | I have some tescos own flu remedy if you need it | 21:24 |
| RevdKathy | are you and TeeBee feeling any better? | 21:24 |
| * lcuk puts his skis on | 21:24 | |
| * RevdKathy is huddles under a blankie with a hottie bottle and shivering | 21:24 | |
| lcuk | not really, mine came on worse today to the point i cant open mouth | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | luke is happy tho :) | 21:25 |
| RevdKathy | Ouch. That's rough | 21:25 |
| RevdKathy | Glad Luke is happy | 21:25 |
| RevdKathy | did he have a good birthday? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | evening kathy, how goes? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | yeah, sorting out money with him and setting up accounts for last few days | 21:26 |
| RevdKathy | Evening Stskeeps | 21:26 |
| RevdKathy | You well? | 21:26 |
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| RevdKathy | Now he's an adult, eh? lcuk | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, long day and a lot of snow outside | 21:26 |
| RevdKathy | Mostly ice here. | 21:26 |
| * RevdKathy hates being cold all the time | 21:27 | |
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| lcuk | yeah RevdKathy, plus some investments made matured along with it | 21:27 |
| RevdKathy | That's nice for him :D Teach him early on the value of saving | 21:27 |
| * pupnik is heating up with a hair dryer | 21:27 | |
| pupnik | lol | 21:27 |
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| * RevdKathy passes pupnik a hot water bottle | 21:28 | |
| pupnik | ty :) | 21:28 |
| RevdKathy | Hmmm my meego wants to do an update | 21:28 |
| RevdKathy | Should I let it? | 21:28 |
| pupnik | lcuk: you have a joggler? i was thinking of one as a meego device | 21:28 |
| msvb | Not sure about the update. | 21:28 |
| msvb | I did it and nothing really bad happened. | 21:28 |
| msvb | …but I'm still trying to find out why my meego-panel-myzone is hanging. | 21:29 |
| RevdKathy | Ok, I'll risk it | 21:29 |
| msvb | …and think that maybe it was a updated package. | 21:29 |
| msvb | So if you can't see the meego myzone panel after the update then you know why. | 21:29 |
| msvb | Actually it only happens when you have a live network connection during boot. | 21:29 |
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| RevdKathy | I missed the nag box and need to look for it. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | pupnik, theres a joggler around, but at house it has problems since its got no battery backup, once you unplug it everything vanishes | 21:30 |
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| jonnor | lcuk: one specific thing; GNU/Linux users expect a rich and comprehensive package repository. This does not currently exist for Meego | 21:34 |
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| jonnor | This is not communicated anywhere I've seen on the path to downloading a Meego image | 21:35 |
| lcuk | jonnor, make enough GNU/Linux apps that run happily to fill the repository on handhelds and I will agree | 21:35 |
| Mikho | rich and comprehensive package repositories weren't built in a day, you know? | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | jonnor, you will note that making apps that actually work happily at the lower spec/resolution is not the same as using apps that work on desktop spec machines. | 21:37 |
| jonnor | lcuk: Mikho: I am very aware. It is just that I think it would be wise to inform the user of the current state | 21:38 |
| lcuk | jonnor, it does. | 21:39 |
| lcuk | the front page | 21:39 |
| lcuk | Today we are announcing the project release of MeeGo 1.1. It provides a solid baseline for device vendors and developers to start creating software for various device categories on Intel Atom* and ARMv7 architectures. | 21:39 |
| lcuk | "start creating software" | 21:39 |
| Mikho | I agree to a degree, but am a bit unsure how to measure the maturity of the repositories | 21:39 |
| lcuk | so open up qt creator and make happy apps that work on the smallest up | 21:39 |
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| Mikho | one could argue the current ones are pretty far already | 21:40 |
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| jonnor | lcuk: hmm, you're right, this is pretty good | 21:41 |
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| * lcuk creates helloworld in qt creator | 21:41 | |
| lcuk | and then wonders who will package it and push it to appup and ovi for him | 21:42 |
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| townxelliot | jonnor: if there are specific packages which are missing, there is always the option of building them yourself on the community OBS, or requesting they be added (via a bug report) | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ITP exists | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ~ITP | 21:42 |
| infobot | it has been said that itp is Intent To Package | 21:42 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 21:42 |
| lcuk | needs the other way round, Request for package too.. | 21:43 |
| townxelliot | lcuk: even better | 21:43 |
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| * lcuk spoke with vlad and Tanya at the conf about looking for live wallpapers and stuff | 21:46 | |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, whats the giturl for healthcheck, i will try and build it on netbook | 21:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | there isnt one :P | 21:47 |
| lcuk | !! | 21:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | git figuring out is happenning later | 21:47 |
| * lcuk slaps you | 21:47 | |
| NooBmonk3y | qt creator would not let me upload to git after i create dthe project | 21:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | and i really dont wanna know the terminal git stuff | 21:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | too geeky for me | 21:47 |
| * lcuk flies to Finland, finds an unforzen lake with trout in, catches one, hands it to frals and puts him on a flight to the souf | 21:47 | |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 21:47 |
| lcuk | unfrozen of course :P | 21:47 |
| lcuk | git is easy! | 21:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | no its not it fails! | 21:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | if it did it in qt creator then i can ignore it and let it go :P | 21:48 |
| CosmoHill | won't the frozen ones be just as fresh? | 21:48 |
| lcuk | http://help.github.com/git-cheat-sheets/ | 21:48 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, of course it would have more impact on NooBmonk3y's head, but its harder to cut them out of the lake initially | 21:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | haha | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | frozen lakes would be easier, you can walk on them | 21:49 |
| CosmoHill | just use a chain swa | 21:49 |
| CosmoHill | saw* | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, sure, but the fish tend to sit at the bottom of the lake in the subzero compressed water that remains under the ice | 21:50 |
| lcuk | and frankly, ice fishing just to whap NooBmonk3y is a bit too energetic | 21:50 |
| CosmoHill | drill a hole, drop a gernade in and stand back | 21:51 |
| CosmoHill | take home whatever fish comes out the whole | 21:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | !! | 21:51 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you sure you want to drop a grenade under the ice you are standing on? | 21:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo lcuk !!! | 21:51 |
| Myrtti | dynamite fishing is illegal in most of the countries... AFAIK | 21:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | as i'm on the new RC qt creator now | 21:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | it may be your lucky day! | 21:51 |
| * RevdKathy steals lcuk's fish, adds a bit fo bread and feed the whole community | 21:51 | |
| * lcuk does not think you have thought this through | 21:51 | |
| Mikho | how does this infobot work? | 21:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | git menu seems to have woken up! | 21:51 |
| lcuk | !! | 21:51 |
| lcuk | lcuky day | 21:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo now to remember what to do and figure that menu out | 21:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | darn! | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | the idea is that you hook it up to some string so it doesn't go off until you tug it | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, but you arent a carpenter! | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | and that you are standing far away | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | maybe in a boat | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | Mikho: what do you want to know | 21:52 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk: no, I'm a lady | 21:52 |
| * RevdKathy suddenly feels very old | 21:52 | |
| Mikho | how to ask stuff etc. and the interface | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | ~bot | 21:52 |
| infobot | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). | 21:52 |
| Mikho | ~lmgtfy | 21:52 |
| infobot | it has been said that lmgtfy is http://lmgtfy.com/ | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | the last person that I heard say "I'm lady" was a cross dresser | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | Mikho: ~ is the trigger, try it in PM | 21:53 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, did you find out before or after you had kissed him? | 21:53 |
| centoslinux | sorry for asking again: did someone manage to watch dvd in Meego 1.1? | 21:53 |
| RevdKathy | It's an old song, CosmoHill "If I were a carpenter and you were a lady". Hence the point about feeling old | 21:53 |
| lcuk | centoslinux, my meego 1.1 install does not have a dvd drive | 21:53 |
| lcuk | so not able to test | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: it was that damn hailfax advert i think | 21:53 |
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| Mikho | can I get a list or something about all the stuff it knows? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | hailfax? the mightest snowflake in the world! | 21:54 |
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| centoslinux | lcuk, mm | 21:54 |
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| Myrtti | ^___o | 21:56 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, how did you cure mp3isms | 21:56 |
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| RevdKathy | what are mp3ism? Do you take lemsip? | 21:57 |
| Myrtti | huurrrrr, don't talk about lemsip | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, you could not play mp3s | 21:59 |
| lcuk | and no, i havent had lemsip in a few hours | 22:00 |
| RevdKathy | I installed the codecs | 22:00 |
| RevdKathy | ask the bear :-) | 22:00 |
| RevdKathy | http://www.revdkathy.com/wordpress/?p=25 | 22:00 |
| * lcuk asked the bear | 22:00 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, how do i cd to a linux folder with spaces? | 22:02 |
| w00t | escape\ the\ spaces\ with\ slashes | 22:02 |
| lcuk | reformat your drive and ensure you don't include spaces next time. | 22:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty! | 22:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | its the external hdd lol | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, easier to degauss then I suppose. | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | NooBmonk3y: or quotes | 22:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, erm http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/trees/master | 22:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | seems to be missing alot though | 22:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | so i need to work on that! | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | NooBmonk3y: or start typing the name and use tabulator to autofill ;-) | 22:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhhh | 22:04 |
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| * NooBmonk3y likes that word! | 22:04 | |
| NooBmonk3y | tabulator... genius | 22:04 |
| Myrtti | works on IRC too usually ;-) | 22:04 |
| centoslinux | does Meego repo have libdvdcss? | 22:04 |
| adeus | no | 22:06 |
| centoslinux | ':( | 22:06 |
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| * lcuk looks at hc on his netbook | 22:07 | |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, qsystemdeviceinfo.h qsysteminfo.h | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | which lib are they from? | 22:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol youve noticed my cheating ;) | 22:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | things like <QSystemInfo> does not work for me, so i stole the header files and used them directly in my project folder ;) | 22:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | from qt mobility systeminfo | 22:09 |
| lcuk | ok lemme see now, someone has built preliminary qtmobility 1.1 package for meego | 22:10 |
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| xMOLATZEN-DUx | aupa, | 22:10 |
| * lcuk tries to remember who and which obs its on | 22:10 | |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo yay | 22:10 |
| lcuk | Bostik, !! | 22:10 |
| lcuk | pingles | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | w00t, your latest blog post isnt about indentation its about code flow | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | hrm. | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | ov 22 15:44:54 <Bostik>but anyhow... as part of work we needed qt-mobility 1.1 on meego; I took the .spec from 1.0.2 and modified it enough to get packages built from 1.1 | 22:15 |
| lcuk | but damn, no mentioend of where it was stored | 22:15 |
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| Bostik | oi | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | Yo! Bostik \o hiya | 22:20 |
| lcuk | and hi AndyBleaden how is the other end of manchester doing? | 22:20 |
| Bostik | lcuk: I'll try to find a location for it tomorrow, probably put it up on gitorious | 22:20 |
| lcuk | awesome stuff dude :) | 22:21 |
| Bostik | been far too busy to even consider anything other than pure work | 22:21 |
| AndyBleaden | bleaden is bleedin freezin | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | Bostik, yeah everyone has | 22:21 |
| lcuk | and the snow does not help | 22:21 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, damn cold up here in the peak district | 22:21 |
| lcuk | yeah we have snow too :) | 22:21 |
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| Bostik | lcuk: spent yesterday in Helsinki, again on Thursday... 2h+ each way | 22:21 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, once I find out, I will test out healthcheck on the ideapad :) | 22:22 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, luckily I was working from home again | 22:22 |
| lcuk | Bostik, thats not that bad then at only 2 hours | 22:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk it will fail :P | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i think I got it down to 6 hours house to hotel now | 22:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | haven't sorted out all the ifdef maemos yet | 22:22 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, so I could stay and watch winter wonderland ....... | 22:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | just trying to package the bugger before i move on | 22:22 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, helsinki must have been nice | 22:22 |
| Bostik | lcuk: when my usual "trip" to work is the distance from bedroom to study, it sure is ;) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, thats ok i just want to see how a "complex" qt application copes with coming from maemo | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | good point | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | it has maemo specifics though :p | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | still * | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | until i change them all to mobility etc | 22:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | worth trying i spose | 22:23 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, thats ok, relaly | 22:23 |
| lcuk | really * | 22:23 |
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| * lcuk wonders when Miniature will come over and maesheep | 22:24 | |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm would /home/greg/ be noexec? | 22:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | trying to figure out why my rules file will not run :| | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | i will execute you if you like | 22:25 |
| * lcuk will wear splash proof clothes | 22:25 | |
| NooBmonk3y | i wonder if nokia will give me an ideapad? :0 | 22:25 |
| thiago_home | NooBmonk3y: what error do you get? | 22:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. | 22:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 | 22:25 |
| Bostik | and debian/rules is +x ? | 22:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup | 22:26 |
| Bostik | (wouldn't be the first time it's dropped with 0644 mode from a broken source package) | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | NooBmonk3y: anything in dmesg? | 22:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | ?! | 22:27 |
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| thiago_home | NooBmonk3y: if debian/rules is a script, what is the script interpreter? | 22:27 |
| msvb | Seems that building kernel-netbook takes about 70 minutes on the ideapad. | 22:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | thiago, no idea lol its in qt creator when packaging for the device | 22:28 |
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| MohammadAG | does uboot take normal vmlinuz files? | 22:31 |
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| ali1234 | no | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | thiago_home, perl, afaik | 22:32 |
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| Bostik | NooBmonk3y: what does "head -n 1 debian/rules" say? | 22:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | MohammadAG: it takes a uImage file which is basically vmlinuz with some additional header information, including a checksum | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | k, I guess I'll have to use dd for that | 22:33 |
| ali1234 | actually it's not like zImage - it has no decompressor code | 22:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | There's an mkimage script in the u-boot sources iirc | 22:33 |
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| ali1234 | you're supposed to run it on a uncompressed kernel, although i think it can handle zImage too | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | I thought meego's kernels weren't zImages | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | if you have mkimage installed you can just do "make uImage" in the kernel tree | 22:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | Bostik, #!/usr/bin/make -f | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | (i.e, this, meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.99.0.20101001.1-vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-8.7-n900 | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | vmlinuz is the same as zImage afaik | 22:34 |
| Bostik | okay, that is at it should be then | 22:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | I grow rusty :| | 22:35 |
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| berndhs | Bostik: so it is whatever you say it is | 22:35 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :| | 22:36 |
| Bostik | berndhs: not really, but debian/rules is an executable makefile and that's the standard shebang for it | 22:36 |
| berndhs | right if you put #!/bin/sh there its a shell script | 22:37 |
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| * NooBmonk3y is still confuuuuused | 22:37 | |
| berndhs | its a makefile because it says so in the first line | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | ali1234, which partitions does the kernel have to be on? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | partition even | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | actually, ignore that, where's uboot's documentation? | 22:38 |
| Bostik | ummmmm, no... if you change the shebang to #!/bin/sh you have a makefile that will be run with /bin/sh and naturally fail | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | u-boot documentation is the source, pretty much | 22:39 |
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| NooBmonk3y | what i dont get is... it is executable, ie i double click and it asks me to run it...... | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | kernel can be anywhere you want, just edit the boot scripts (compiled into u-boot_ | 22:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | it has read and write access..... | 22:39 |
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| berndhs | usually the first line #!/foo/bar means run the program /foo/bar on the content of this file | 22:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 22:39 |
| * NooBmonk3y has possibly figured this out! | 22:39 | |
| ali1234 | the default scripts look for uImage on partition 3 or a boot.scr on partition 1 | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | boot.scr can have any custom commands in it that you want, without recompiling | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | it's just a textfile run through mkimage again | 22:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | i moved the project from a non-exec place, i think there is legacy folder names in the project! | 22:41 |
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| NooBmonk3y | just looking through | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | all the scripts are in include/configs/nokia_rx51.h | 22:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha! | 22:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | it runs | 22:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | thank you alls :) | 22:42 |
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| msvb | Does anybody know why ACPI resume sometimes crashes? | 22:54 |
| msvb | …on Meego 1.1 that is. | 22:54 |
| msvb | …Netbook ideapad. | 22:54 |
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| msvb | There was some discussion chez Ubuntu about that, and the bug they had was solved by the Linux kernel 2.6.35.16. | 22:56 |
| msvb | …So I guess I'll keep on trying to build a newer kernel than on repo. | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | msvb, did you give it upto 5 minutes to actually try and come back to life | 22:58 |
| lcuk | theres been a few times i have cursed, then looked back around and its come back waiting for password eventually | 22:59 |
| msvb | Probably not, I don't remember. Maybe so. | 22:59 |
| msvb | So you recommend just waiting a long time, okay I'll try that. | 22:59 |
| msvb | lcuk: But do you even know about the problem I'm describing? | 22:59 |
| msvb | lcuck: Have you ever slept the netbook and not been able to wake it? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | well people experience it not resuming after reopning lid | 23:00 |
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| msvb | Yes that's what I'm talking about. But I don't know how long I've waited. | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | huh | 23:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | I see some people complain about how "meego is dead" and that there's nothing much about it. Wth is this. It's not even shipped on devices yet, is it? | 23:01 |
| Shapeshifter | there's not even much of a purpose to running it on anything yet, is there. | 23:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | Why are they complaining? | 23:01 |
| Termana | morning | 23:01 |
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| tripzero | Shapeshifter, maybe they think meego is "dead" because it isn't yet on a device? | 23:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | tripzero: http://www.techeye.net/software/nokias-meego-is-doomed | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | do they say that meego will be doomed if the N9 fails? | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | msvb, it just took ~2 minutes from reopening lid to coming back to password | 23:05 |
| lcuk | well outside the norml | 23:05 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-11873593 | 23:08 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, "meanwhile, in finland" | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | lols | 23:09 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm not in finland and the army and navy is a very important part of my own | 23:10 |
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| berndhs | is meego doomed again, or still ? I lose track | 23:12 |
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| CosmoHill | every day of the week that is a prime number | 23:13 |
| tripzero | Shapeshifter, just read the article. the short: meego is doomed because it's not mature | 23:15 |
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| tripzero | he alluded to the n9 being delayed | 23:16 |
| tripzero | he noted that developers complain a lot | 23:16 |
| tripzero | ...which is probably more of a "developers are more vocal about problems than they are complimentary" | 23:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, i've baffled lint and x-fade in one go, this not be good for healthcheck ;) | 23:17 |
| tripzero | phenomena | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, ok your healthcheck did not pass this round, but you made a start and you have it on git now and know more than you did before :) | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | hahaha no idea how to update it, oh well ;) | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | git commit -m "blah"; git push; afaik :P | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | but those nice cheatsheets I linked to earlier will help | 23:19 |
| ali1234 | they had a U2 tribute band? seriously? | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | ali1234, I'm getting wrong image format on the second kernel I converted with mkimage | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | what about the first? | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | it worked fine | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | so, what's the difference? | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG | was hoping you could tell me :P | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | well there must be some difference, where did you get the kernels from? | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ali1234, personally I think it was really bono :O | 23:21 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, gui's ftw | 23:22 |
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| MohammadAG | ali1234, *.meego.com | 23:22 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, U2 is bad, but not THAT bad. | 23:22 |
| ali1234 | MohammadAG: ok, and which ones? | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | ali1234, I PM'd you a link | 23:24 |
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| npm | now we need qtmobility furry-touch support :-) http://www.techeye.net/hardware/scientists-develop-furry-touchscreen | 23:34 |
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| NooBmonk3y | npm, genius | 23:35 |
| npm | i bet the first product using this isn't going to be a pet cat of the feline variety | 23:36 |
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| npm | it's basically like the n900's proximity sensor (an ir led and sensor pair) except there's one for each fiber-optic | 23:42 |
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| npm | which would actually be an interesting way of doing a touchscreen (multi&pressure) -- optical | 23:43 |
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| * NooBmonk3y has run out of ideas :( | 23:45 | |
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| CosmoHill | NooBmonk3y: then drink more | 23:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, found the sensors package i think? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libqtm-sensors/1.0.0-beta1-maemo1/ | 23:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | package removed :P | 23:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 23:48 |
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| NooBmonk3y | so they removed the old qtm.... with sensors, added a new one, without........ | 23:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/ | 23:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo maybe not | 23:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | they are there! | 23:49 |
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