| arfoll | i use arch and that certainly happens if you forget to update the package :-( | 00:00 |
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| gabrbedd | arfoll: Dunno. I use Debian where `uname -r` doesn't change for minor updates. | 00:01 |
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| arfoll | if anyone's got some spare time and an armv7 board/n900 - http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=687 | 00:05 |
| arfoll | Enna on meego built for x86/armv7 | 00:06 |
| arfoll | wouldnt mind some feedback on the arm builds | 00:06 |
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| berndhs | chromium works for most people ? | 00:50 |
| arfoll | aye | 00:51 |
| arfoll | it crashes and you have to rm the Lock file every so often | 00:51 |
| berndhs | more than 1/2 the time I get "aw snap" with no indication whats wrong | 00:51 |
| berndhs | this sucks, i want a normal browser | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget_%28beer%29 | 01:46 |
| lcuk | guinness innovation in your own home :) | 01:46 |
| lcuk | (tastes lovely too) | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | moin lcuk | 01:49 |
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| berndhs | lcuk: also they can sell less beer in the same size can :) | 01:56 |
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| JunJi | hi guys | 02:15 |
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| julienf__ | evening | 02:24 |
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| julienf | any idea if there has been any progress on the java front for MeeGo? | 02:25 |
| thiago_home | what was the issue? | 02:27 |
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| julienf | thiago_home: from what I understood there is no JVM for MeeGo | 02:29 |
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| thiago_home | no packaged JRE? | 02:29 |
| thiago_home | should be easy to install it | 02:29 |
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| julienf | so far it seems to be unsupported | 02:36 |
| JunJi | why is java mentioned in meego..? | 02:39 |
| thiago_home | probably not considered very important | 02:39 |
| thiago_home | the only time I use java is for two specific java web applets | 02:39 |
| thiago_home | formula1.com and Microsoft Live Meeting | 02:39 |
| jonnor | if noone else has packaged or intends to package openjdk in extras that would likely be welcomed | 02:40 |
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| julienf | the Arduino SDK comes as a Java application | 02:41 |
| julienf | and I would like to be able to use my MeeGo netbook for that | 02:42 |
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| julienf | and yes, I understand that Qt would be the best, but I don't think I can either convince the devs to switch to Qt, or code that myself. | 02:43 |
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| JunJi | anybody runs the meego emulator on any linux which is in a virtual machine too? | 02:44 |
| jonnor | JunJi: just state your problem/question :) | 02:44 |
| JunJi | simple, I'm trying to run it on Ubuntu that actually is in a virtual machine, but the emulator (qemu) is saying that my cpu isn't supporting kvm which means vt-x I guess, but it's not true, my cpu is having that. so I guess that is because virtual machine is not allowing its guess OS to use the VT-x | 02:45 |
| JunJi | so I'm wondering if this is true or not | 02:46 |
| JunJi | I mean I want to know if virtual machine really can't give the function to their guess os | 02:47 |
| JunJi | nobody knows if it's possible? | 02:49 |
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| odin_ | really starting to like the lenovo :) | 02:51 |
| julienf | odin_: same here... still need to tune it a bit.. | 02:52 |
| odin_ | yeah and rough edges, like an easy to to activate vertical scroll back, one of the buttons being held down + gesture should do it | 02:52 |
| julienf | JunJi: my understanding is that the kvm can only be accessed by the first virtual machine, the virtual machine itself doesn't have a real processor, so I doubt it handles what you're trying to do.. | 02:53 |
| odin_ | i.e. when in pad mode | 02:53 |
| JunJi | I agree.. | 02:53 |
| JunJi | but wanted to confirm this | 02:53 |
| JunJi | hmm... | 02:54 |
| odin_ | what is up with conman as well... it does not perform DNS resolution, I had to edit /etc/resolv.conf manually | 02:54 |
| odin_ | the tcpdump from the router/dns server shows a reply coming back, but a ping (or whatever) can not / does not resolve | 02:54 |
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| Termana | morning | 03:49 |
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| JunJi | morning | 03:54 |
| niala1 | between morning and night | 03:55 |
| niala1 | *night and morning | 03:55 |
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| JunJi | a | 06:45 |
| JunJi | do we have somebody who knows how to set the eth0 on a linux kernel?? | 06:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | What do you mean, "set eth0"? Can't remember, do we have "ifconfig" on meego? | 06:53 |
| pupnik | i would hope so | 06:54 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | pupnik, in that case I recommend that JunJi read "man ifconfig" in order to figure out how to setup eth0. It's easier to understand than editing the files in /etc by hand. | 06:58 |
| JunJi | yes we have ifconfig on meego | 06:59 |
| JunJi | on the meego kernel, I can't assign my network card to the eth0 | 07:00 |
| JunJi | I'm using virtual box | 07:01 |
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| JunJi | somebody knows how to assign a network card to 'eth0' on the meego kernel?? | 07:11 |
| JunJi | I don't see any 'eth x' when I type ifconfig | 07:11 |
| JunJi | there is just 'lo' | 07:11 |
| pupnik | it's not always "eth*" btw | 07:11 |
| pupnik | almost always | 07:12 |
| JunJi | but at least ifconfig should show something with an IP | 07:12 |
| JunJi | so I guess my meego kernel doesn't recognize any network card | 07:13 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | JunJi, if you do "lsmod" or "modprobe -l", do you see that the driver of your card is loaded? You need to figure out if you really do have a driver (kernel-level) problem or a configuration (user-level) problem. | 07:23 |
| JunJi | thanks for the help, let me check it | 07:25 |
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| JunJi | well, I can see several files under the directory 'kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia' so I would say these are for the network card. | 07:33 |
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| JunJi | What should I do for the user-level configuration?? | 07:34 |
| JunJi | and when I run 'dmesg | grep eth0 | 07:35 |
| JunJi | I see pcnet32: eth0: registered as PCnet/FAST III 79C973 | 07:36 |
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| JunJi | etho0 renamed to eth1 by udevd[304] | 07:36 |
| JunJi | udev : renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 | 07:36 |
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| JunJi | but ifconfig eth1 isn't showing any ip address too | 07:36 |
| Alison_Chaiken | JunJi, you certainly have the drivers in the filesystem, but you need to see if the kernel is loading them. That's why I suggested the lsmod and modprobe commands. Also try "dmesg | grep eth". | 07:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Ooops, I see now you did the dmesg. For user-level, try just plain "ifconfig". Does it show anything besides lo? | 07:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Odd that eth0 is renamed to eth1. I don't know why that would happen. Two ethernet cards? One card with two ports? | 07:41 |
| JunJi | hmm.. | 07:43 |
| JunJi | I'm not sure but is it happening because I have another lan card for bluetooth?? | 07:43 |
| JunJi | I'm running this meego kernel through virtual box, do I need to set any configuration about network adapters?? | 07:44 |
| Alison_Chaiken | JunJi, can you temporarily shut down, remove the other card, reboot and see if things are different? I'd still do the "lsmod" or "modprobe -l" by the way; the driver you need may not be loaded by the kernel. If so, you can try loading it by hand. | 07:45 |
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| JunJi | hmm... | 07:46 |
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| JunJi | actually it's a laptop so hard to dettach only the network card :( | 07:46 |
| timoph | can you disable it from bios? | 07:46 |
| Alison_Chaiken | While I've run qemu-kvm and qemugl, I have no experience with Virtual Box. There was a good talk at the MeeGoCon by Haitao Zheng, Ian Molton and Zhiyuang Lv. Lv is the developer of Virtual Box for MeeGo, if all else fails. You can watch the video at the web site. | 07:46 |
| JunJi | great idea, timoph thanks | 07:47 |
| JunJi | Lv? | 07:47 |
| Alison_Chaiken | JunJi, I thought you could eject your card since you mentioned pcmcia. If internal, not pcmcia! | 07:47 |
| JunJi | aha.. | 07:48 |
| JunJi | I | 07:49 |
| JunJi | I'm not good at these hardware level at all :( sorry about that | 07:49 |
| JunJi | I can see eth1 named 'Ethernet' without ip address, if I type 'ifconfig -a' | 07:49 |
| JunJi | Can I know their web site address about Virtual box for meego? | 07:51 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | By the way, on my Fedora 14 desktop (meego not booted this instant), dmesg | grep eth0 shows "[ 21.585067] sky2 0000:02:00.0: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both" so I can see that sky2 is the driver for my network card. lsmod then shows that the driver is loaded. For the talk about Virtual Box (and Xephyr and qemugl), look at http://conference2010.meego.com/session/opengl-acceleration-meego-sim | 07:59 |
| Alison_Chaiken | ulator-and-emulator | 07:59 |
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| JunJi | hey Alison_Chaiken, thank you so much for the help, I appreciate it. | 08:11 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Good luck JunJi, network drivers can be a headache. | 08:13 |
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| dm8tbr | JunJi: weren't you the one playing with OBS? | 08:17 |
| JunJi | right | 08:18 |
| dm8tbr | well I played with those images etc. bottom line: the vmdk is broken | 08:18 |
| dm8tbr | you can use the raw image though and convert it using qemu-img | 08:18 |
| JunJi | so I got an old version somehow | 08:19 |
| JunJi | and, I'm on step in the manual | 08:19 |
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| JunJi | step 3 | 08:20 |
| JunJi | but this kernel doesn't give me the eth0 | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 08:21 |
| copyleft_ | morning | 08:22 |
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| dm8tbr | JunJi: the renaming thing happens because of udev rules. you can just flush those and it will then stay eth0 | 08:22 |
| dm8tbr | morning, indeed | 08:22 |
| dm8tbr | JunJi: which 'old' image did you use? | 08:23 |
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| JunJi | ok | 08:24 |
| JunJi | I'll se | 08:24 |
| JunJi | obs-server-i686-2.1.62-Build.1.1-vmx | 08:24 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: btw - any idea what's meego specific in this? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/MeeGo/images/ | 08:25 |
| JunJi | how can I do the 'flush'? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i think they branched for a little while to help meego along, but im unsure | 08:25 |
| dm8tbr | ah, ok | 08:26 |
| dm8tbr | JunJi: delete the lines in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 08:27 |
| JunJi | thanks I'll do right now | 08:27 |
| dm8tbr | then reboot | 08:27 |
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| JunJi | gotcha | 08:27 |
| JunJi | dm8tbr thanks it's working | 08:30 |
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| dm8tbr | :) | 08:30 |
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| hlzxy | if I want to use 'build' to create a rpm with local source code , how I should do? | 08:34 |
| hlzxy | It seems that it always get source code package from net | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | it needs to get dependancies | 08:37 |
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| hlzxy | yes, but I want to change the code I want build | 08:38 |
| JunJi | http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git is not available now | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: build takes .spec files too | 08:39 |
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| JunJi | Stskeeps/ could I get the file? Actually I guess this is the final step to start the obs.. | 08:40 |
| JunJi | I really want to see that in today :) | 08:40 |
| JunJi | your manual is awesome.. thanks for the great work | 08:40 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: You will still need to have a repository that create the base build environment. The repository can be on the local or the Internet. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | that really should work | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: 'git clone http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git' | 08:41 |
| JunJi | it's showing Not Found The requested URL /meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git was not found on this server. Apache Server at git.gitorious.org Port 80 | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but try to run it with git | 08:41 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps: er,I want to build a rpm package like rpmbuild ,use the local code package,and the dependancies still be got from network | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | hlzxy: show me your command line | 08:42 |
| RST38h | morning, Stskeeps | 08:42 |
| JunJi | error: while accessing .... fatal: HTTP request failed | 08:42 |
| JunJi | it's what it says | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: ok, that's a bit weird | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | hlzxy: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment | 08:43 |
| JunJi | hmm... | 08:43 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi: how about git clone git://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git ? | 08:43 |
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| JunJi | let me give it a shot | 08:43 |
| JunJi | works | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | good | 08:44 |
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| JunJi | I'm so excited that I'm just about the last step | 08:45 |
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| copyleft | BTW, where is the prjconf of MeeGo:1.1:Core? just use the Trunk file right? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | take the Trunk, i think it was forgotten to copy it to MeeGo:1.1:Core | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | please file a bug | 08:52 |
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| copyleft | Stskeeps: got it :) | 08:52 |
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| kismeter | any body can explain the difference between meego image *.sda.bin and *.img | 08:58 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps: can it build a package to the specified arch with rpmbuild ? | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 09:08 |
| JunJi | Stskeeps // if i got the OBS, it's re-building every packages for a certain architecture simply. is it right? | 09:11 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi: the default guide will build a package for both x86 and ARM if you ask it to | 09:11 |
| JunJi | I don't need any re-compiling by hand, huh? | 09:12 |
| JunJi | yes, I want ARM | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: if you need to recompile the system, you can import all source packages, but that's not automatic :) | 09:12 |
| JunJi | ok, I'll try. Thanks, your manual really saves me | 09:13 |
| JunJi | I'm at downloading a release | 09:13 |
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| JunJi | by /usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh 1.0.99.0.20101005.1 rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.99/ obs-project-config/Trunk | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:13 |
| JunJi | fantastic | 09:14 |
| JunJi | are you working at Nokia or intel closely? | 09:14 |
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| timoph | he's working from his sofa :) | 09:14 |
| JunJi | you told me that you're related with them somehow | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i have my own company and working from home, but nokia pays me to fullfill my role as nokia n900 hardware adaptation maintainer | 09:15 |
| copyleft | Sounds cool, I didn't know that there is a import-meego-release.sh script. | 09:15 |
| JunJi | I guess in this channel, some people are working together in the same company | 09:15 |
| JunJi | aha | 09:15 |
| JunJi | awesome | 09:15 |
| JunJi | I'm in the asia time zone so this is afternoon, what about you guys?? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | 8am | 09:16 |
| JunJi | I just came from America.. | 09:16 |
| JunJi | aha | 09:16 |
| JunJi | so early morning | 09:16 |
| JunJi | early birds you guys are | 09:16 |
| timoph | 9.15am in Finland | 09:17 |
| JunJi | how do you guys think about North Korea? | 09:17 |
| JunJi | I'm not north korean though, | 09:17 |
| SwedeMike | 08:17 < timoph> 9.15am in Finland | 09:17 |
| JunJi | actually in a country very very near | 09:18 |
| Kubuntiac | Anyone know if there are any 7" Meego devices planned? | 09:19 |
| JunJi | ok nobody is interested in this topic haha | 09:19 |
| Kubuntiac | What topic? | 09:19 |
| JunJi | about north korea | 09:19 |
| hhurtta | why #meego should be interested in that subject? | 09:20 |
| JunJi | cool | 09:20 |
| Kubuntiac | Heh. I'd say North Korea is the US Government's next target... after Iran. </political rant> | 09:20 |
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| JunJi | I didn't say it should be | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: generally we try to avoid politics here as there's many different countries and opinions - difficult not to get into an argument | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | we try to let everyone work together in a happy family ;) | 09:20 |
| JunJi | reasonable | 09:20 |
| timoph | I tend to keep myself out of any polical, etc. discussion. IMO those things are really not relevant topics here | 09:20 |
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| Kubuntiac | oops. I'll drop it. :) | 09:20 |
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| JunJi | just popped in my head cause they did something very recently | 09:21 |
| JunJi | I applogize this | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's ok :) | 09:21 |
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| copyleft | Yeah even hard to define and create a local MeeGo Network in some place. *sigh* | 09:21 |
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| Kubuntiac | copyleft: ouch | 09:22 |
| Kubuntiac | Meego's using ConnMan aren't they? | 09:22 |
| timoph | yep | 09:22 |
| JunJi | just bored to wait downloading a meego release with under 100kb/s internet speed :( | 09:22 |
| Kubuntiac | Can you dual boot MeeGo like other Linux distro's? | 09:23 |
| Kubuntiac | Like from Grub2 | 09:23 |
| mihero | yes | 09:23 |
| JunJi | I guess netbook will be supporting that | 09:23 |
| Kubuntiac | cool | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: you'll be pleased to know it's about 3-4gb then | 09:23 |
| JunJi | haha.. | 09:23 |
| JunJi | before it's done, can I see the web interface? actually I didn't check its IP | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | http://ip/ | 09:25 |
| hlzxy | Stskeep:do it not add to the end of commands,why I run 'rpmbuild -ba .spec --target=armv7l',it create a i386 rpm? something wrong with my commands? | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: use 'build', not 'rpmbuild/ | 09:26 |
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| zinit | morning | 09:27 |
| JunJi | hallo | 09:27 |
| zinit | how's it going? | 09:27 |
| JunJi | if I stopped the import-meego-release.sh and restart it, does it have to work from the very beginning again? | 09:28 |
| JunJi | I want to see its IP right now @@ | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: it's restartable | 09:30 |
| JunJi | awesome | 09:30 |
| JunJi | with just ctrl+z | 09:30 |
| JunJi | ? | 09:30 |
| hhurtta | ctrl-z is not stoppin | 09:31 |
| hhurtta | but suspending | 09:31 |
| hlzxy | Stskeep: if I have a src.rpm that I have changed , 'build' will use it or use the code from net? | 09:31 |
| hhurtta | it starts again with command fg | 09:31 |
| hhurtta | which starts it on foreground | 09:31 |
| JunJi | ok, I'm not gonna try this. thanks hhurtta | 09:31 |
| hhurtta | and command bg should put it on background | 09:32 |
| JunJi | I'll stay safe :) | 09:32 |
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| hhurtta | ctrl-c is the brutal way of trying to stop the process | 09:32 |
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| zinit | I prefer a kill. that one usually works no matter what the process is doing | 09:33 |
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| hhurtta | even more brutal :) | 09:33 |
| duno | hi | 09:33 |
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| zinit | ctrl-z doesnt always work | 09:33 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: build will use the local spec file you give it. | 09:34 |
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| hhurtta | zinit: ctrl-z suspends the process | 09:34 |
| duno | i have a question about meego, will it work with a x220 proz. ? | 09:34 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: and srcrpm of cause. | 09:36 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:yes, but if I use local path to set the source ,it could not find the path, it just find /var/tmp/build-root/$path,how I could do | 09:36 |
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| duno | nobody here who can answer my question? | 09:37 |
| hhurtta | duno: be patient, you only asked it like 5 mins ago | 09:39 |
| duno | k | 09:39 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: normally it copy the source rpm or spec into /var/tmp/build-root and then create chroot on it and build it. Did you give it a specific path? | 09:41 |
| zinit | http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Symbian_Foundation_web_sites_to_shut_down | 09:42 |
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| zinit | hmm.... this should have come out before the meego conference... bet it would give the nokia peoope some interesting questions to answer | 09:42 |
| poutsi | anybody been working with qt-components from the forumnokia ppa in ubuntu? | 09:43 |
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| poutsi | got this strange problem where apps work 2-3 times after a reboot but then start hanging before displaying any windows | 09:43 |
| hlzxy | copyleft: I write the Source0 as:/root/rpmbuild/SOURCE/hello-2.5.tar.gz, and run it as root | 09:44 |
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| tybollt | zinit: what the ...? | 09:44 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: just use hello-2.5.tar.gz in Source0, not the full path. | 09:45 |
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| zinit | tybollt: interesting that nokia is shutting down symbian as opensource.. (at least making it less availeable..) | 09:45 |
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| zinit | has zip to do with meego, but still interesting | 09:46 |
| tybollt | zinit: Oh that was fairly expected - why do you think they hired that microsoft guy after all? | 09:46 |
| zinit | true... still they should have stuck to it when they released symbian as opensource | 09:46 |
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| tybollt | zinit: it's like all the crybabies about mysql right now - like WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING? Larry Ellison is at the helm of course it was about shutting down and making money off of it. :) | 09:47 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:fail, it could not find the code | 09:47 |
| zinit | like when oracle bought sun... slowly killing the company off by cutting the support to the customers, and when its fucked enough, kill the company and make a buck or 2 | 09:48 |
| tybollt | zinit: yeah... but then nokia is going through a pretty major shuffle right now... | 09:48 |
| zinit | true | 09:48 |
| tybollt | zinit: I'm actually surprised they didnt kill off the meego project just yet :) | 09:48 |
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| zinit | tybollt: they cant do that, they invested too much time, effort and promises in it | 09:49 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: Good afternnon. | 09:49 |
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| zinit | tybollt: as did intel and several other companies | 09:49 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: It seems we need deliver all Meego packages(hundreds of) to OBS to build. How did you do that? By scripts? | 09:49 |
| tybollt | zinit: heh well... I _hope_ you're right but realistically, naw, I think they can. :) | 09:49 |
| zinit | so I think meego is safe | 09:49 |
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| tybollt | but still why kill symbian? | 09:50 |
| duno | as i was reading meego is working on arm based cpu, the x220 is a arm11, so could it fit? | 09:50 |
| tybollt | what's w/ that decision? | 09:50 |
| zinit | they can pull out of the project, but they can kill it off for legal reasons | 09:50 |
| thiago_home | oracle is (trying to) make money by selling sun's stuff | 09:50 |
| tybollt | I mean symbian was going to take the lead in the nokia portfolio, no? | 09:50 |
| thiago_home | nokia isn't going to make money by licensing symbian | 09:50 |
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| thiago_home | tybollt: was going to? Do you mean it wasn't the lead? | 09:50 |
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| zinit | they killed off the support in norway, so the norwegian universities are slowly leaving sun after 15 years of only using sun for critical systems | 09:50 |
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| thiago_home | zinit: use norwegian technology then | 09:51 |
| zinit | they did the same in several other countries, all developement support and enterprise support they wont uphold their contracts | 09:52 |
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| zinit | dont think there is any norwegian companies that deliver that kind of hardware and SW solutions | 09:52 |
| * thiago_home was thinking of Qt | 09:52 | |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: investigate 'osc importsrcpkg' | 09:53 |
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| zinit | sont think univercities would do that for critical systems like student and employee databases, login systems and other critical systems. | 09:53 |
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| zinit | got a feeling they will go over to the itanium platform with hp-ux (short leap in the rewriting of all the software) | 09:54 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: OK. thanks | 09:55 |
| thiago_home | zinit: Qt runs on that :-) | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | we have not just one but *two* itaniums running HP-UXi in the office | 09:56 |
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| thiago_home | they come in quite handy this time of the year | 09:56 |
| dm8tbr | space heaters? | 09:57 |
| thiago_home | yep | 09:57 |
| hlzxy | have any idea | 09:57 |
| JunJi | do we have any public-official OBS for meego? | 09:58 |
| zinit | ux in qt? | 09:58 |
| zinit | or the qt on ux? | 09:58 |
| zinit | I dont have any itaniums to screw with here, but got some PA's with ux | 09:59 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: I think you will need to copy the spec file and the source tarball into the same directory first before running build. | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: build.meego.com is where the project is built, we're working on making it more transparent | 09:59 |
| zinit | one with ux 11.23 thats not being used for squat at the moment...(has no vga) | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: build.pub.meego.com is for application devel and experiments, only open source, but has very little build power atm | 09:59 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: but don't specify the absolute path in the spec file. | 09:59 |
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| JunJi | As far as I know, I have to make an account here? who is in charge of that? | 10:00 |
| copyleft | Stskeeps: will build.pub.meego.com have a MeeGo:Trunk build target someday? | 10:00 |
| thiago_home | zinit: we stopped supporting PA | 10:00 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:er,I will try | 10:00 |
| thiago_home | zinit: we have some clients using Qt for the backend servers | 10:00 |
| zinit | ok | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | copyleft: dunno | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | copyleft: it should be possible, OBS linking is open now | 10:01 |
| zinit | PA is getting old, but I still see alot of cusomers that has it. stable little fuckers.... | 10:01 |
| tybollt | anyway | 10:01 |
| tybollt | close sourcing symbian... | 10:02 |
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| tybollt | what impact will that have on the shared QT infrastructure etc? | 10:02 |
| thiago_home | tybollt: what do you mean? | 10:02 |
| duno | k | 10:02 |
| zinit | not close sourcing, they are just making it harder to get the source.... | 10:02 |
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| zinit | http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Symbian_Foundation_web_sites_to_shut_down | 10:02 |
| zinit | thiago_home: reading material:P | 10:03 |
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| tybollt | well the point was to easily make programs run on either symbian or meego | 10:03 |
| tybollt | will that be as easy/possible granted this last change? | 10:03 |
| JunJi | who do I have to contact to get an OBS account?? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | JunJi: for which one?: | 10:04 |
| thiago_home | tybollt: run on symbian != get symbian's source code | 10:04 |
| JunJi | hmm.. are they different? then i would need build.meego.com thing | 10:05 |
| tybollt | thiago_home: well... | 10:05 |
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| Ford_Prefect | "Reason: Hi, baby, i really love you very much\!\!\!" | 10:06 |
| Ford_Prefect | lol? | 10:06 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: How many workers available on build.meego.com OBS now? Never login to see the performance. | 10:07 |
| JunJi | Fansy, how did you get the account? | 10:07 |
| kismeter | JunJi:ask x-fake | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | JunJi: build.meego.com is only for people with commit bit to meego, build.pub.meego.com is for 'community obs' | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: ~463 | 10:08 |
| JunJi | hmm.. | 10:08 |
| Fansy | JunJi: No, I never gained the account. | 10:09 |
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| JunJi | ok, so common users can get pub's account. | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | build.meego.com will hopefully be more transparent eventually | 10:09 |
| JunJi | from x-fake | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | so you can see things | 10:09 |
| JunJi | understand | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | x-fade and lbt | 10:09 |
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| copyleft | lol x-fake | 10:10 |
| hlzxy | copyleft: so good ,I want to know the reason. | 10:10 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: about what? | 10:11 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:why it can work , | 10:11 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: build search the spec file, patches and source tarball in the same directory. | 10:13 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:o,thanks,I shuould go to see the 'build' script | 10:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morn jaffa, how's stuff? | 10:25 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Good, thanks. Should get dressed for taking Jaffa Jr. to doctors. | 10:26 |
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| Termana | Jaffa Jr.... sounds like some kind of chocolate bar :p | 10:28 |
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| hlzxy | is there 'build' tools for meego1.1？ | 10:34 |
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| cuishuping | Hi, buddy | 10:38 |
| hlzxy | I get the 'build' tool,and find it can build a meego1.0 rpm ,but not to meego1.1,where I can find the tool for meego1.1 | 10:38 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: are you using MeeGo 1.1 SDK? Then what's the error message | 10:43 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:yes, the error: rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-5.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 10:46 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:when use 'build' tools i got to create a rpm package,it show that error | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | full command line please | 10:48 |
| copyleft | hlzxy: that's a known issue, you will need to preinall liblua in the build config file. | 10:48 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: the original one is lua, should modify to liblua. I'm looking for the web page of this issue. | 10:49 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:I wiil try | 10:49 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.0.conf, modify lua to liblua | 10:51 |
| copyleft | this config may be already updated in MeeGo 1.1 or trunk in some package, I'm not sure. But the OBS prjconf has fixed it. | 10:52 |
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| copyleft | may need a document about it. | 10:52 |
| hlzxy | copyleft:I am trying ,why it show meego1.0.conf,not meego1.1.conf? | 10:54 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: Because MeeGo guys run "osc build" not "build" I guess :p. Which osc build runs a correct project config via MeeGo 1.1 in OBS. So the one in "/usr/lib/build/" may be forgotten. | 10:56 |
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| copyleft | I'm not sure, just guess :) | 10:56 |
| hlzxy | everything maybe | 10:57 |
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| copyleft | anyway it should work after modify to liblua and you may file a bug if the config is still incorrect in MeeGo 1.1 Tool repository | 10:58 |
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| copyleft | Haven't checked it recently. | 10:58 |
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| hlzxy | I will do it if not | 10:59 |
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| timeless_webchat | so, after compression, my disk has 14gb of free space :) -- 34%, up from ~200mb :) | 11:23 |
| fcrozat | this reminds me of stacker | 11:24 |
| fcrozat | when I had a ISA card to handle file compression on my i386 | 11:24 |
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| vilvo_ | Stskeeps: ping? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 11:27 |
| vilvo_ | do you happen to be #meego channel admin ? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes - along with dawnfoster | 11:28 |
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| vilvo_ | so my problem is described at http://pastebin.com/NERzNSiL , line 27 and I need your help, please | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | sec | 11:29 |
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| dm8tbr | vilvo_: the right thing to do is contact freenode staff | 11:32 |
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| dm8tbr | ah you already got staff involved | 11:33 |
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| hlzxy | copyleft:it seems OK now,when I do it first time ,error exist,second time,ok. | 11:36 |
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| Jay_BEE | gn | 11:42 |
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| copyleft | hlzxy: great | 11:43 |
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| hlzxy | how I can load all packages on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | rsync them from rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ | 11:59 |
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| dm8tbr | whee, meego booted on my PB | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | woo | 12:01 |
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| dm8tbr | that hdmi/dvi adapter was a good investment | 12:02 |
| lcuk | timoph, your mentioning about #meego-qa-tools channel, I believe the process is started by stskeeps and dawnfoster | 12:03 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: help..... | 12:05 |
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| timoph | lcuk: ack | 12:06 |
| hlzxy | Stskeeps: rsync rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ and it show a list of them ,seems nothing happened. | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | hlzxy: look in 'source' now | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: how did you install the old mic2? | 12:09 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i cann't add my package to my meego image...i update my mic tools. remove the old mic use the command: apt-get remove mic.. | 12:10 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so you can generate now? | 12:11 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: log :http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870012 | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: ignore the last error, i get the same problem | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | if it says 'Finished', it's all good ;) | 12:12 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i can generate the image. but my package hadn't add to my iamge.. | 12:12 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: well, in that particular log you were generating our old .ks, sure it has your package? | 12:13 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: if my package can install, i can see the "Installing: helloworld ##################### [530/530]"... but i haven't see this.. | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: pastebin your .ks please | 12:14 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK, wait a moment.. | 12:14 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: the website:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870013 .. and you paticular see the 22th and 46th lines...thanks.. | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: could you ls /home/administrator/myrepo ? | 12:17 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK .wait.. | 12:18 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: hello-2.5-9.1.armv7l.rpm LICENSE.txt repodata .. there are three files.. | 12:19 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: is it right? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: well, you'd see 'Installing: hello' instead | 12:22 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: write this to ks file? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, your .ks looks fine | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | paste whole build log please | 12:24 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: the website http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870012 is my whole log. i think... | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, not all the Installing: line | 12:26 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK. no "Installing hello ########### [530/530]" line...i promise.. | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | try to rm LICENSE.txt from your repo | 12:28 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: this time. i don't need to type "enter" "yes" and ":q". | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: good | 12:32 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: but i think maybe i also cann't add my package to my meego image ...because the [530/530]...i think if i can install my package..it will change to [531/531] | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: try to re-run createrepo maye | 12:34 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK, i try it... | 12:35 |
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| hlzxy | Stskeeps:I see it . thanks | 12:38 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: 530 packages to be installed, 530 packages gotten from cache, 0 packages to be downloaded....cann't install my package... | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: mic-chroot the image afterwards and rpm -qa | grep hello | 12:41 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK. and wait a moment.. i'm coping the whole log.... | 12:45 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: the whole log: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870030...please see it. thank you very much... | 12:55 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870030 | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: there's something weird there for sure | 12:56 |
| zinit | tyson_: are you behind a proxy? those can make that problem | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | zinit: it's a local repo, file:/// | 12:57 |
| tyson_ | zinit: no..Stskeeps is right.. | 12:58 |
| zinit | ok. then it should work... is it on a local linux partition? or ntfs? | 12:58 |
| zinit | ntfs can be anoying | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: could you zip/tar the 'myrepo' directory and mail it to carsten.munk@gmail.com ? | 12:58 |
| tyson_ | ubuntu 10.04 | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: i think you're genuinely hitting a bug now, so | 12:58 |
| zinit | ext3 or ext4? | 12:58 |
| zinit | meego doesnt support ext4 | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: i would recommend you use a fedora 12 or 13 virtual machine for generating images | 12:59 |
| zinit | (yet) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | less weird experiences | 12:59 |
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| zinit | my expwerience with meego and ext4 is that it can list the files, but cant access them. so if you got ext4 on that partition, that could cause the problem with access problems to the repo. | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | zinit: not related, we aren't running the meego kernel when making images | 13:05 |
| zinit | strange that it doesnt work though.... | 13:06 |
| tyson_ | sorry,, i'm taring the file of myrepo.... | 13:06 |
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| tyson_ | OK, Stskeeps,zinit, thank you...and i mailed it to you.Stskeeps.. | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: while i'm looking at that, consider to get a fedora 12 virtual machine | 13:08 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i have two pc. one installed ubuntu10.04, the other installed fedora13... | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: cd ~/myrepo | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | createrepo . | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | then verify by checking zcat repodata/primary.xml.gz lists the 'hello' package | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | the one you just sent me didn't have any packages there | 13:12 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870034 | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | looks correct, and now zcat repodata/primary.xml.gz | 13:13 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870035 | 13:16 |
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| Stskeeps | looks correct, now try to make a image | 13:17 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK... | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | laptops without touch are frustrating :P | 13:20 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: maybe this time can succeed.. | 13:20 |
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| odin_ | where are the slides and other auxiliary information (to go with meego conference videos?) | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | odin_: people are (slowly) uploading them | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | on conference2010.meego.com | 13:23 |
| odin_ | will they be attached as files under the videos, when they appear ? | 13:23 |
| dm8tbr | on the left side | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, conference2010.meego.com sessions should show a flash player | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 13:23 |
| odin_ | I've been looking from video.linuxfoundation.org/video/### | 13:23 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: Installing: hello ##################### [224/531] | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: finally | 13:24 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: but i don't know why? | 13:24 |
| odin_ | is there a conman issue, with the lenovo meego build ? I had to manually edit /etc/resolv.conf to make DNS work | 13:24 |
| dm8tbr | odin_: look at this example - http://conference2010.meego.com/session/meego-security-what-it-and-why-do-we-care | 13:24 |
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| odin_ | the outbound query goes out and reply comes back but the application (ping/ssh/whatever) doesn't get resolution | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: ~/myrepo didn't have proper repository information that contained hello rpm information | 13:25 |
| odin_ | so I had to change the nameserver 127.0.0.1 to one on my network | 13:25 |
| leolei | Who can tell me where I can found ck-connector lib used by meego? I want to complie uxlaunch.Thanks. | 13:25 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: because i need write the mikipeada. you tell me do this.. | 13:25 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: basically i think you ran 'createrepo' before putting in hello rpm | 13:26 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK, i understand.. it is my fault... | 13:26 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: I hadn't follow the website(http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Including_your_packages_in_a_MeeGo_image)..it's my fault.. | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: ah, well at least we have a solution now :) | 13:29 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: thank you...you are my teacher....ah.... | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | just be helpful to others asking same questions and i'm happy, less work for me | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:31 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: and i have another question: how should i see the package in my meego image? if i install it to my N900.. | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: in X-terminal, type 'hello' | 13:32 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: OK..and i found the meego os run my N900 very slowly... | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | tyson_: yes, our graphics drivers are bad, we are working on it in 1.2 | 13:34 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: when i click the icon of "xterm Terminal", i need wait one or two minitues...:) | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: that's a little high .. meego 1.1 or 1.1.80? | 13:36 |
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| tyson_ | Stskeeps: that is my first time. and now just 5 or 10 seconds...:) | 13:37 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 13:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | someone really needs to change the conference site | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | showing 'Status: Accepted' *after* the fact is kinda useless | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're going to show a status, it should be 'Presented' :) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | err wtf | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't get it | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | we *did* upload our slides | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | why aren't they visible on the conference page? | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | we did it before we went to present | 13:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:39 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: did you press 'apply'? | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | i did same mistake | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno? | 13:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | i wasn't on camera when i did it | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not going to do anything about it now | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | since i don't have credentials to make changes | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | only presenter#1 can | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | because no one fixed the stupid site to not discriminate against copresenters | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | i was presenter #2 and i could | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | then again, i'm admin.. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | so may not apply | 13:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | ... | 13:41 |
| * timeless_mbp offers Stskeeps a 4 letter word | 13:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | and a 3 letter word | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | not all of us are gods | 13:41 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: now meego 1.1.80 needs 2-3 seconds..:) | 13:41 |
| timeless_mbp | well, that could be fixed | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | do you have a bug report? | 13:42 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: i'm off now. thank you. Stskeeps...my teacher..... | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | tyson_: see you | 13:42 |
| tyson_ | Stskeeps: byebye.... | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: after i miss lunch | 13:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and i think i filed one | 13:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | i know i reported it to various people and mentioned it on the mistakes page | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:44 |
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| linuxcentos | Where is the config file for TCP/IP /network? | 14:20 |
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| linuxcentos | trying to manually configure eth0, but getting connection failed from GUI | 14:20 |
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| lcuk | question about dmesg, is it possible for a userspace script to echo and add to the log or is there only a special kernel function available for writing new lines into it? | 14:24 |
| thiago | linuxcentos: there isn't one. It's auto-configured from connman. | 14:25 |
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| thiago | lcuk: dmesg is a kernel buffer. You can't write to it. | 14:25 |
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| ohmy | Hello | 14:25 |
| thiago | you can use logger to write to the syslog though | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | morning lbt | 14:26 |
| lcuk | thiago, thanks \o | 14:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, you recall my issue with 2gb memory stick not being enough for the 2gb n900 image? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i recall a headache about that | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:27 |
| lcuk | well spyro was cloning the 4gb netbook install from my 4gb card to his on friday night | 14:27 |
| lcuk | and it ran out of space | 14:27 |
| ohmy | I haven't find Automotive Center Console HMI requirements documents anywhere, are they publically accessible? | 14:27 |
| linuxcentos | thiago, i see | 14:27 |
| lcuk | just reminded me :) | 14:28 |
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| linuxcentos | thiago, i had a beta meego image on my pc, now installing 1.1 | 14:28 |
| spyro | lcuk: yeah people making images need to make them a couple meg short of the max size | 14:28 |
| spyro | IMHO | 14:28 |
| spyro | stick vary a little under 4GB a lot of the time. | 14:29 |
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| linuxcentos | thiago, i see that Meego is actually very different than Fedora | 14:29 |
| thiago | linuxcentos: it wasn't meant to look like fedora | 14:29 |
| linuxcentos | thiago, dunno why i though i was quite similar to Fedora, maybe Meego uses RPM | 14:29 |
| thiago | Mandriva and SUSE also use RPM | 14:29 |
| thiago | as do most distros | 14:30 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 14:30 |
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| linuxcentos | was Meego as OS new from scratch? | 14:30 |
| thiago | yes | 14:30 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 14:30 |
| thiago | bootstrapped with components from Fedora and SUSE | 14:30 |
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| ohmy | thiago: Do you know if the "Automotive Center Console HMI requirements documents" are publically accessible please? | 14:31 |
| thiago | ohmy: I have no idea what documents those are. | 14:31 |
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| linuxcentos | thiago, Meego looks far more native 'Linux' than Android | 14:31 |
| thiago | linuxcentos: that's the intention | 14:32 |
| ohmy | thiago: i was reading 1.1 release include and they made reference to some specifiations http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-in-vehicle-infotainment-ivi | 14:32 |
| thiago | whereas Android's intention is to be nowhere close to native Linux | 14:32 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 14:33 |
| linuxcentos | i've Andoid phone - Nexus One- but looking forward to a Meego phone | 14:33 |
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| thiago | 2011 | 14:33 |
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| tybollt | linuxcentos: look forward to waiting. There will be no usable meego phone in a looooooooooooooooooong time (lest they are way way way ahead of DEMO) | 14:55 |
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| toadpole | hey will the dual boot instructions for n900 be okay to use with meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.8.20101126.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 instead of meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.8.20101101.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2? | 14:56 |
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| Stskeeps | toadpole: u-boot instructions only work with those off tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 14:56 |
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| toadpole | that's where i got that file | 14:57 |
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| toadpole | was just wondering if its okay to use a later release than the one mentioned in the meego.com dual boot instructions | 14:58 |
| toadpole | they mention meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 14:59 |
| toadpole | i mean the instructions here - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | toadpole: not yet | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | and there shouldn't be 1.1.80 versions on tablets-dev | 15:00 |
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| toadpole | oh crap, wait sorry, i got that one from meego.com | 15:02 |
| toadpole | i guess i'll just download the other one | 15:02 |
| toadpole | thanks | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | a group of celebs say they will sign off social networks until the charity "Keep a child alive" raises a million dollars. | 15:12 |
| linuxcentos | tybollt, why? No plans to release Meego phone? | 15:13 |
| lcuk | my question, how will they hear about whether its been raised if they dont have social network logged in? | 15:13 |
| linuxcentos | tybollt, what's Nokia and Intel doing with regard to phones? | 15:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | linuxcentos: vendors don't like making announcements until they're ready to make announcements | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a standard practice | 15:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | linuxcentos: and we as a community ask that people not ask questions which would make employees of companies uncomfortable | 15:15 |
| timeless_mbp | (just as we ask everyone not to ask other questions which would make others uncomfortable) | 15:15 |
| niala | timeless_mbp: | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: they'll rely on reporters to ask them :) | 15:16 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, indeed | 15:16 |
| lcuk | and well put btw :) | 15:16 |
| niala | timeless_mbp: i have an uncomfortable question for christmas.... plasma or lcd ? | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | don't buy stuff in xmas | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: i'm not christian | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | so please don't ask here. thanks :) | 15:17 |
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| ohmy | Hi again :) | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: thanks for the example of another uncomfortable question :) | 15:18 |
| niala | timeless_mbp: i m not christian, but price are great actually :) .... sorry just a joke I don't wan't make you uncomfortable | 15:18 |
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| ohmy | As you acn guess, i'm quite new to meego and i'd like to understand some of it's components without downloading megabytes of binaries yet. i was reading "Integrity Protection Framework" for example, is there any document describing what it stands for ? | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: it's ok, especially as it underscores the point :) | 15:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: offhand, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7095 is related | 15:20 |
| sx0n_ | ohmy, maybe there is something: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/session-videos | 15:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | that really should include slide links | 15:22 |
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| ohmy | sx0n_: thank you | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i guess in theory the slides are in the page once you load it | 15:22 |
| sx0n_ | i am not sure that every presentation includes those | 15:23 |
| lcuk | sx0n_, I believe each presentor can upload slides given at their talk and they remain with the info and video etc | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | sx0n_: well, i *tried* to upload our slides | 15:25 |
| ohmy | Are the slides stored in a a central area (backup/recovery one for example)? | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but they were apparently eaten by a Grue | 15:25 |
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| lbt | o/ Stskeeps | 15:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: did bug 6375 ever get resolved to your satisfaction? | 15:59 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6375 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, RESO FIXED, Add bio to sponsored attendees report | 15:59 |
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| pinchartl | is the obs client available for gentoo ? google doesn't return any meaningful result :-S | 16:06 |
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| odin_ | obs client, as in the "osc" tool ? | 16:07 |
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| pinchartl | odin_: yes | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey, can you walk me through how to upload slides? | 16:08 |
| odin_ | well it is a collection of python scripts | 16:08 |
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| pinchartl | odin_: I'll get the source and install that then. I was looking for a gentoo ebuild in an overlay | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: "edit" on the session | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't see that | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | you mean <http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond> right? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: right | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you don't get that, ask sivang | 16:10 |
| pinchartl | odin_: do you know where I can find the osc source ? | 16:10 |
| odin_ | just looking it up one set, getting back into my openSuSE box | 16:11 |
| pinchartl | thanks | 16:11 |
| odin_ | git://gitorious.org/opensuse/osc.git | 16:11 |
| pinchartl | odin_: thanks | 16:12 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yes, we got bios on conference reports which made doing the sponsorship task easier | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: can you mark that bug as 'verified'? | 16:13 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: done | 16:16 |
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| ohmy | Ahh i would like to have backup slides :) | 16:19 |
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| ohmy | i meant, backup/restore presentation from meego conf 2010 | 16:21 |
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| thiago | I'm getting this error from mad-admin: | 16:29 |
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| thiago | Can not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/meego-sdk-i586-toolchain-1.1-linux_i686.tar.gz' -- no such file. | 16:29 |
| thiago | indeed, the file doesn't exist | 16:29 |
| thiago | how do I get it? | 16:30 |
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| vilvo | lbt: pong | 16:39 |
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| GAN900 | Why isn't the MeeGo planet heading on meego.com a link to Planet? | 16:51 |
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| vilvo | lbt: gotta go now but when you have time - do we have BOSS to orchestrate between build.meego.com and ots.meego.com? | 16:53 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: that'd imply there's anything meego that works... we can't have that, now can we? :) | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | tybollt: you're being excessively negative - could you point to specific reports of things you'd like fixed? | 17:19 |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, indeed. | 17:22 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, but it'll be better soon--we promise! | 17:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | about the videos | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | they're *awesome* for presenters to learn from their mistakes | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (fidgeting, etc) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but they're totally crap for watching at home | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | i look scared on my keynote one | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, but you were able to interact w/ your co-presenter | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | that worked | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and it helps to see things like that | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but... really, this form sucks for actually watching presentations :( | 17:42 |
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| odin_ | both you guys presented well IMHO | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, the thing from the videos which most people have said is the lack of a PIP or bigger view of the presentation screen during | 17:43 |
| lcuk | and Stskeeps :) you were awesome in yours | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | PiP if presenters would be *awesome* | 17:43 |
| berndhs | lcuk: just needs more cameras | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, the bottom line is that you need two cameras | 17:44 |
| berndhs | view of presenter, view of slides, view of audience | 17:44 |
| lcuk | berndhs, sure, its just the observation from watching them | 17:44 |
| odin_ | PiP of the presentation? just need a feed from the projectors | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | view of audience would be helpful for presenters to learn from things | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: Then they need editing... if you want audience shots. | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and they're useful for the large views | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but i wouldn't demand it as a small presenter for the other rooms | 17:44 |
| * timeless_mbp tries not to be too demanding | 17:44 | |
| Jaffa | Unless you have three videos for each stream and all three embedded & synced in the web page :-) | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | berndhs, mobile camera are something which would be good, it would be awesome to actually realworld map the interior of the aviva stadium based on photos taken and re build the timeline :) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, much harder | 17:45 |
| berndhs | Jaffa: well it is a public space, so people shouldn't do embarassing things | 17:45 |
| berndhs | but sure, with multiple views they need to be combined | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | berndhs: I mean edit in terms of having a single video. Unless you just PiP the audience too. But then they're too small to be useful, probably | 17:46 |
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| berndhs | Jaffa: true. So this is an opportunity to develop nice tools | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: they're useful to show audience response at times | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | or attentiveness | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | both can be seen in small form | 17:47 |
| lcuk | certainly for the questions it would be useful | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, you'd typically switch to them at certain points | 17:47 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Indeed | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | questions are different, in general the slide camera should be able to change to a question camera | 17:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | since you shouldn't need it for slides anymore | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Some of the rooms would need a *really* wide angle lens... | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | please remember that some rooms had *no* cameras | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'm not going to ask for 20 cameras per room | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | asking for a second per room seems like a reasonable thing | 17:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, before people think i'm not grateful, i'd like to note that the widget they gave speakers was great | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it had forward, back, and laser pointer | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | unfortunately i have no idea if laser pointer worked | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | did anyone lose an eye? | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | because while i could see the laser, the camera didn't record the slides | 17:49 |
| berndhs | there are some nice approaches that combine multiple cameras into selectable views from a combined stream | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so i can't see how it looked to the audience | 17:49 |
| berndhs | so you could record the multi-stream and pick the view later | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | sounds like the kind of high bandwidth logistics that meego image creation requires | 17:51 |
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| berndhs | probably yes | 17:53 |
| berndhs | I forget how its done, it is a mathematical transformation of the streamed data | 17:53 |
| berndhs | so it is predictable, constant requirements | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | hm berndhs ? i thought that kind of processing and at stream time selection requires decoding and reencoding, unless the streams are available individually and timesynced for remixing at client side | 17:56 |
| berndhs | If I remember this right, the selction was done on the display end, not at the source | 17:57 |
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| berndhs | so if you record the combined stream, you can select any view you want later | 17:57 |
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| berndhs | the selected view is not any of the individual camera views | 17:57 |
| berndhs | this is stuff from 6 or 7 years ago, i don't know where they went with it | 17:58 |
| lcuk | wouldnt that increase bandwidth required to be stream*availableviews ? | 17:58 |
| lcuk | or would they just accept its lower bandwidth and hit the LP button on the vhs | 17:58 |
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| berndhs | well, upper bound for bandwidth would be N times normal for N cameras | 17:59 |
| berndhs | I think its smaller than that, but I don't remember | 18:00 |
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| slaine | Is there an ETA for MeeGo 1.1.1 ? | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | was released already, but noone bothered to tell about it | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | mostly netbook fixes | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | at least if you mean update1 | 18:10 |
| slaine | Ah, so those small few fixes that are pending are what is in effect 1.1.1 | 18:10 |
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| slaine | yeah, that's what I meant | 18:10 |
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| GAN900 | We needs Jobsian setups for the Keynote room next conference. | 18:14 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, you need to do more podium banging next time. :P | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | it was fairly unstable podium and there was a wetab laying there | 18:22 |
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| anttu | how can i mount an ntfs disk to meego? | 18:53 |
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| dm8tbr | anttu: I guess that will need ntfs3g | 18:58 |
| dm8tbr | but the linux kernel used to have a driver for read-only access too | 18:59 |
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| anttu | ntfs3g is not available with zypper | 19:02 |
| anttu | when connecting the disk meego says unknown file system ntfs | 19:02 |
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| notmart | uhm, mesa-libGL-devel isn't part of core? (at least on arm) | 19:11 |
| notmart | i'm getting an error on obs, but here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ i see that package uhm.. existing | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | notmart: well, GLESv2 is the only one guaranteed on both | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | but it should exist | 19:12 |
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| notmart | yeah, glesv2 is found | 19:13 |
| notmart | uhm, i'l try to modify configure scripts :) | 19:13 |
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| anttu | dm8tbr: i downloaded and installed ntfs3g from tuxera.com and it works great on meego | 19:19 |
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| anttu | also write access is ok | 19:19 |
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| notmart | ah, is available on the meego obs the build monitor service the opensuse one has? http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/01/27/hot-off-the-opensuse-build-service-press/ | 19:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, i'm told my slides are actually up | 19:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, more camera notes | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the cameras were often "far left" ? | 19:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the presenters stood on the left and faced to their left (i.e. away from the camera) | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | in some cases w/ multiple people, one person ended up in the lighting shadow of the next :( | 19:34 |
| * timeless_mbp is watching http://conference2010.meego.com/session/state-community | 19:34 | |
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| * andre__ wondering whether Wednesday video footage will be available too | 19:45 | |
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| berndhs | timeless_mbp: is the bottleneck the number of cameras, or the number of operators ? | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | wednesday? | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | berndhs: generally both cost money | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | andre: i think they posted day two just before thanksgiving, so i would assume soon .. | 19:47 |
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| andre__ | ah, holidays. I see | 19:48 |
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| rousing | hi | 19:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | has anyone tried 'scrubbing' through the videos? | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the meegoconf player seems to break when i try :( | 20:05 |
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| pupnik | ffwd/rev works in mplayer | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: eh? does mplayer support meegoconf videos? | 20:08 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: i've been watching downloaded videos from the conference in mplayer | 20:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | "how do i do that?" | 20:09 |
| pupnik | find the .flv url from the page source, then wget it | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | thankfully you don't need to run the javascript in your head to reconstruct the url | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | there's a download link on the page | 20:10 |
| pupnik | what page are you talking about ? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | for the conference video(s) | 20:11 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders how to play flv files on os x | 20:12 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, :P install a real os | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | is there a Flash OS? | 20:13 |
| mwichmann | speaking of that, does anyone know if the intent was to do ogg videos too? | 20:13 |
| mwichmann | the ogg links are audio-only | 20:13 |
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| tmzt_g2root | timeless_mbp: vlc | 20:14 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, VLC? | 20:16 |
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| GAN900 | Adobe's also got a standalone play, but I don't remember what it's bundled with. | 20:17 |
| * timeless_mbp was hoping for something slightly less buggy or more QT (not Qt) friendly | 20:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | i grabbed http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/swfflvplayer.html | 20:17 |
| GAN900 | QT 10 broke a lot of that stuff. | 20:17 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, with your transition to qt c++, did you also have to rebuild all the packaging, or was it available direct from qt-creator for maemo? | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, 1/2 and 1/2 | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | hm NooBmonk3y ? | 20:18 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Qt Creator can currently spit out binary debs. Apparently source tarballs, debian/ patches, dsc files and spec files for autobuilders/OBS are "on their way" | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | as well they should | 20:20 |
| lcuk | thanks jaffa | 20:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | but it doesnt seem to do the whole lot yet | 20:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | holding out for the next version | 20:20 |
| lcuk | no and its going to add more complexity if qt apps have to have differences in packaging for the different uxes | 20:20 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yeah, but having a menu in qt creator that spits them all out will help ;) | 20:21 |
| * lcuk trying to use qtcreator on ideapad is somewhat frustrating but rewarding at same time :) | 20:21 | |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: have you filed bugs? | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | (with patches) | 20:21 |
| * timeless_mbp has started filing bugs on Qt* | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, well the font experience is in progress | 20:22 |
| lcuk | but theres some things that bugs wont handle | 20:22 |
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| townxelliot | NooBmonk3y: recent Qt Creator builds provided by MeeGo SDK can generate and deploy RPMs, providing you set up the right runtime targets (i.e. project is confiugred to use MADDE runtimes/toolchains) | 20:22 |
| lcuk | like having to drag/drop elements from the widget panel onto your new ui | 20:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty townxelliot ;) - but not packaging for maemo hehe | 20:22 |
| lcuk | drag drop is a bad experience | 20:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, ? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, in the ui designer | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | theres a palette with all the widgets you can add | 20:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh lol | 20:23 |
| lcuk | and a window showing your new ui window | 20:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah :P | 20:23 |
| lcuk | you cant double tap to add a widget | 20:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh it kinda works, unless you have loads of layouts etc, gets a bit confused at times | 20:23 |
| lcuk | it has to be drag/drop and its fiddly and not rewarding | 20:23 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, trying to understand some issues before filing some bugs | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that player *sucked* | 20:24 |
| lcuk | to know whether they are bugs or just things which could be tweaked etc | 20:24 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders about this VLC thing | 20:24 | |
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| timeless_mbp | tmzt_g2root, GAN900 : so... i just installed VLC | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it came with an extra folder called "Goodies" | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/vlc-goodies.png | 20:40 |
| tmzt_g2root | jasper-initramfs (0.33) maverick; urgency=low | 20:40 |
| tmzt_g2root | * make sure we use the VOLID from the actually specified root= kernel | 20:40 |
| tmzt_g2root | parameter in case a user modifies the initial boot.scr (LP: #652143) | 20:40 |
| tmzt_g2root | -- Oliver Grawert Sat, 02 Oct 2010 02:08:13 +0200 | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | tmzt_g2root: urgency=low? | 20:40 |
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| tmzt_g2root | why does that look like an X application? | 20:41 |
| tmzt_g2root | you might want to install the OSX version | 20:41 |
| tmzt_g2root | ? | 20:41 |
| tmzt_g2root | oops | 20:41 |
| tmzt_g2root | no select issue | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, it really is the OS X version | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but they really are idiots | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 6/7 files have no extension | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | which means they look stupid and are unlikely to work well | 20:41 |
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| ali1234 | sounds like a good description of VLC in general | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ali1234: well, i had 0.9.8 installed before | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which i only remember as "that crashy plugin w/ really crappy code" | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (i specifically remember that version number) | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | mplayer ftw | 20:42 |
| tmzt_g2root | I'm talking about the X logo in the top left corner | 20:43 |
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| tmzt_g2root | you guys have awesome screenshots though | 20:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | tmzt_g2root: ? | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, that means "readonly" | 20:46 |
| tmzt_g2root | Apple | 20:46 |
| tmzt_g2root | hah, ok | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a pencil with a slash through it | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | "you can't write here" | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which actually makes perfect sense to *humans* | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, VLC can seek | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | its responsiveness for the initial seek is *awful* | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | and its full screen behavior leaves proper dual display handling to be desired :( | 20:48 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, designed for network streams | 20:48 |
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| GAN900 | Seeking is not what it's intended for. | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and it helpfully tells me the current time | 20:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | not time remaining and not total | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | obviously i don't care about those :) | 20:48 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, there's a setting for both the multiscreen behavior and the HUD numbers. | 20:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | n.b. the maemo6 media player initial requirements didn't include anything useful either | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (maemo6 won't ship, and hopefully the replacement media player will be less stupid) | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: wow, that actually works! | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | bug 10532 | 22:03 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.i.li, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, do you develop on a netbook or is it just on your big machine | 22:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, laptop, and pc, but i prefer the pc | 22:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | and by big, you mean small form factor old hp lol | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | i am vanishing anyway, headfunk is making eyes hurt | 22:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:11 |
| * CosmoHill has a headcahe | 22:11 | |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, take something. | 22:12 |
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| CosmoHill | I won't | 22:15 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok figured out how to sort the qlist widget.... but not the qlistwidgetitem, grrrrrrrrrrrrr | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | wat? vgrade ping | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=14068&postcount=16 | 22:44 |
| lcuk | that does not sound/look right to me | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, it just shows we have a image problem | 22:47 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: which is kinda silly, considering i've actually been in touch with most major ARM vendors regarding meego and generally they don't seem to see a problem with intel being involved.. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
| lcuk | sure, and that was also the impression I got too | 22:48 |
| pupnik | sounds to me like someone who would rather not be the go-to person for that project. seek another contact perhaps. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | with all the activity in the #meego-arm with n900s and beagle and panda boards and whatever else people pop in with :S | 22:49 |
| lcuk | pupnik, sure | 22:49 |
| lcuk | theres *LOTS* of potential meego people in Cambridge | 22:49 |
| lcuk | theres lots of actual ones too | 22:49 |
| * lcuk is switching this machine off tho for tonight and going curling up in bed with a lemsip | 22:50 | |
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| pupnik | for me a UI revolution would be not having to look at the screen to accomplish many of my tasks | 22:50 |
| pupnik | adding items to a shopping list could be a brief spoken conversation with my phone | 22:51 |
| pupnik | removing time that's "frozen" in front of a screen | 22:51 |
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| lbt | vilvo: pong | 23:11 |
| lbt | that is certainly where BOSS is intended to work - and how we use it in Nokia | 23:12 |
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| dsample | lcuk, just saw the messages from an hour ago... yep, Cambs is popular :) | 23:26 |
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| Myrtti | I'm too frustrated to reply to the Cambs thread | 23:35 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 23:35 |
| CosmoHill | I should read that since it has my name on it | 23:36 |
| Myrtti | yes, yes you should | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | actually, reading the post again doesnt make it sound that bad | 23:37 |
| CosmoHill | as long as nobody asks me for directions or anything | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | which post? | 23:38 |
| Myrtti | GODDAMMIT SKYPE | 23:38 |
| Myrtti | http://developer.skype.com/Docs "helpful" | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | but i suppose there is a lot of us vs them feeling to be broken down.. | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lo auke, had a good thanksgiving? | 23:40 |
| auke | very | 23:40 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: how was your thursday? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | unproductive, had a bit of a slow week last week | 23:45 |
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