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| jonnor | Jaffa: I'm also curious what the point of the painstakingly slow and intrusive animation on application switching is | 00:06 |
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| pupnik | any chance of getting a VMware / opengl deferred compatible meego image up soon? | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | got anything new Ian-- \'? ;) | 01:13 |
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| pupnik | oh it's spyro, sorry | 01:15 |
| pupnik | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/opengl-acceleration-meego-simulator-and-emulator | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, Ian == spyro | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: well say hi to him sometime for me. was a lot of fun in brussels. well, mostly. | 01:26 |
| lcuk | ohhhh yeah! | 01:26 |
| lcuk | forgot you had met him :) | 01:26 |
| pupnik | i still got a pic of us somewhere | 01:26 |
| lcuk | indeedy | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, what laptop/system are you running | 01:28 |
| pupnik | debian/tinkpax x200t | 01:32 |
| pupnik | pad | 01:32 |
| lcuk | good, most of spyros testing has been on thinkpads :) | 01:34 |
| * lcuk does not know what other machines he has in his lab tho | 01:34 | |
| pupnik | reading up on wiki | 01:36 |
| pupnik | lcuk: if he wants someone to test something, i'm happy to | 01:36 |
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| CosmoHill | (: | 02:17 |
| niala | CosmoHill: ? | 02:17 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 02:18 |
| niala | ok | 02:18 |
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| * timeless-webchat grumbles | 02:21 | |
| CosmoHill | be happy | 02:22 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU | 02:29 |
| timeless-webchat | niala: :) | 02:30 |
| niala | :) | 02:32 |
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| CosmoHill | drowning pool - let the bodies hit the floor works for me too | 02:34 |
| timeless-webchat | ? | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I can work quiet happierly with heavy metal on | 02:36 |
| lcuk | compiling libmeegotouch from source takes 45 minutes on the ideapad, will heavymetal make it go faster :P | 02:38 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, ^ | 02:38 |
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| CosmoHill | you could try UK speed garage | 02:39 |
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| timeless-webchat | the last item in its help menu is "What's This?" | 02:39 |
| timeless-webchat | does anyone here even remember that? | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk; when I work hard I put on dubstep cos I have some awesome podcasts | 02:40 |
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| pupnik | that's rather intense/distracting for productivity work | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | it works for me | 02:41 |
| pupnik | deubstep.fm has a bunch of free downloads | 02:41 |
| pupnik | dubstep.fm | 02:41 |
| CosmoHill | that's the one I listen to | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | the immurse sessions are amazing | 02:42 |
| pupnik | i didn't think a new music style would blow me away anymore... but this did | 02:42 |
| pupnik | but i prefer quiet classical/ethnic music - harmonious things - not bendy twisty things | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | I got "this is dubstep, vol. 2" | 02:43 |
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| CosmoHill | I love picking a song apart in my head and picking up in subtle things | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | I got confused when my friend played a video and I could hear things on his laptop that I've not heard on my speakers | 02:44 |
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| CosmoHill | pupnik: try "magnetic man - I need air" on youtube | 02:46 |
| pupnik | you know who i think pioneeded this CosmoHill ? To me it's basically an outgrowth of meat-beat-manifesto + orb. The former pioneered the breakbeat and the latter the dub | 02:46 |
| pupnik | ok | 02:46 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo | 02:47 |
| pupnik | at least if you want to talk about latent influences | 02:47 |
| pupnik | stuff that was kind of forgotten for a few years | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | you know a lot more than I do | 02:47 |
| pupnik | no i don't know what's going on now | 02:47 |
| pupnik | wow nicely done song | 02:48 |
| pupnik | sorry for offtopic | 02:48 |
| pupnik | (this synth background is just the right style/feel for a nokia/meego advertisement) | 02:49 |
| pupnik | just get rid of the singing | 02:49 |
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| CosmoHill | might be | 02:49 |
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| ali1234 | if it's the song i think it is it's already been used in a load of adverts... | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | really/ | 02:50 |
| pupnik | heh, wonder why i immediately thought of adverts | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | I've never seen it on an advert | 02:50 |
| pupnik | good thing i'm not in charge of marketing. i'd use 'ween'. | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | right, I'm off to bed, cyas | 02:52 |
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| Fansy | Hello, lbt. Could pls kindly give me a account for meego building? | 03:32 |
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| timeless-webchat | Fansy: i hope lbt is sleeping | 03:33 |
| Fansy | : ( Does anybody can share me an account for Meego OBS? | 03:34 |
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| timeless-webchat | oh, just sleep for 6 hours or something | 03:41 |
| timeless-webchat | maybe 8 hours | 03:41 |
| timeless-webchat | it'll do you some good | 03:41 |
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| pupnik | What did I learn from Meego videos? I learned that these presentation videos need to film THE PRESENTATION and not the SPEAKER. | 04:11 |
| pupnik | that is as long as there's stuff being shown | 04:12 |
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| pixelgeek | pupnik: That was a problem in the room too - the slides only showed on one screen next to the presenter. If you were on the other side of the room, you were out of luck. | 04:22 |
| pupnik | it's not too uncommon for these things to hiccup | 04:23 |
| pupnik | but there was a bit of a lost marketing opportunity there | 04:23 |
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| pixelgeek | Are the slides posted seperately anywhere? | 04:26 |
| berndhs | pixelgeek: the slides are on the program pages for each talk | 04:27 |
| berndhs | berndhs: that is if the presenter uploaded them | 04:27 |
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| pixelgeek | ah yes, found one | 04:28 |
| MdeP | hi, what are the plan for ubuntu 10.10, existe a beta repository? | 04:28 |
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| timeless-webchat | pupnik: please say you've sent that feedback | 04:33 |
| timeless-webchat | i haven't gotten around to formally telling them that | 04:33 |
| Ryuodjin | could anyone tell me the benefits of meego? | 04:33 |
| Ryuodjin | could anyone tell me the benefits of meego? on n900? | 04:33 |
| timeless-webchat | pupnik: although i will say that my family said i looked good :) | 04:34 |
| timeless-webchat | Ryuodjin: it's free! | 04:34 |
| timeless-webchat | and you can get updates! | 04:34 |
| timeless-webchat | and um... it's free! | 04:34 |
| Ryuodjin | lol... ok... | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | timeless-webchat: might get better results just renting cameras and asking for volunteers from the community | 04:34 |
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| Ford_Prefect | pupnik: usually it's the editing that's the painful part | 04:35 |
| timeless-webchat | pupnik: well we need to give the feedback | 04:35 |
| timeless-webchat | or else it'll be forgotten | 04:35 |
| * timeless-webchat is trying to build Qt | 04:35 | |
| * timeless-webchat has no idea if it's doing the right thing | 04:35 | |
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| pupnik | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Feedback | 04:35 |
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| timeless-webchat | eh, wtf | 04:36 |
| timeless-webchat | your link ate my youtube | 04:36 |
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| pupnik | i can't log into wiki at all it seems | 04:38 |
| b-man` | it must have been hungry for entertainment (bad joke lol) | 04:38 |
| pupnik | the videos are nice quality though. thanks to those who got that setup | 04:40 |
| spyro | pupnik: hiya | 04:41 |
| timeless-webchat | you don't want to | 04:42 |
| timeless-webchat | log into meego.com | 04:42 |
| timeless-webchat | then visit wiki | 04:42 |
| pupnik | o/ congrats spyro - thanks for working on this | 04:42 |
| pupnik | ok ty timeless-webchat | 04:42 |
| timeless-webchat | single sign on mostly works | 04:42 |
| spyro | pupnik: thanks :) lcuk told me you had some questions? | 04:42 |
| timeless-webchat | except they didn't bother to fix the integration so that the subsites don't offer their own broken login pages :( | 04:42 |
| pupnik | where do i download the happyfun? | 04:42 |
| pupnik | ok more feedback then :) | 04:43 |
| spyro | its a little involved to get running atm (intel are packaging it but their current version is too old to be useful) | 04:43 |
| timeless-webchat | offtopic ;-) | 04:43 |
| spyro | pupnik: drop me an email (ian.molton@collabora.co.uk) and I'll write you a little howto tomorrow when I'm awake :) | 04:44 |
| pupnik | right on spyro | 04:44 |
| spyro | :) | 04:45 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkt8-bOwcxQ&feature=youtube_gdata Renoise 2.6 tracker / music composer running on MeeGo - check it out lcuk! very nice nicenice. | 05:31 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi (bry) | 07:08 |
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| Mat_Matan | mega transfer DL 3,0 KB/s UL 1,5 KB/s -.- (GPRS) | 07:37 |
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| junji_ | hi guys | 07:42 |
| junji_ | helloooooooo | 07:42 |
| junji_ | nobody is here?? | 07:43 |
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| aaaaad | h | 07:44 |
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| chriadam | junji_: there are lots of people here. | 07:45 |
| junji_ | but nobody is saying | 07:45 |
| chriadam | lots of people are in different timezones. or they might be getting a coffee, or not looking at irc. but if you have a question, and you're patient, eventually someone will answer :-) | 07:46 |
| junji_ | right | 07:46 |
| junji_ | thanks | 07:46 |
| junji_ | I'm looking for somebody who installed OBS for meego~~~~~~~~~~~~ | 07:47 |
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| dm8tbr | junji_: there is a nice howto. it works. make sure to follow it closely. | 08:06 |
| junji_ | awesome | 08:07 |
| junji_ | wehre can i find that? | 08:07 |
| dm8tbr | wiki | 08:07 |
| junji_ | wiki.. | 08:07 |
| junji_ | do you mean http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 08:07 |
| junji_ | ? | 08:07 |
| dm8tbr | that's most likely it, yes | 08:08 |
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| junji_ | this is what I'm trying | 08:08 |
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| junji_ | actually now working on it | 08:08 |
| junji_ | hmm.. | 08:08 |
| junji_ | have you tried this? | 08:08 |
| dm8tbr | yes, I was probably the first person to follow this after carsten wrote it. it works. just make sure you closely follow the hostname thing. | 08:09 |
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| junji_ | did you use vmware? | 08:09 |
| junji_ | or virtual box? | 08:10 |
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| junji_ | I'm not sure how to set up the harddisk thing.. it's saying I need to have 'sdb' | 08:10 |
| dm8tbr | well that' ususally the second harddisk on an current linux system isn't it? | 08:11 |
| junji_ | I'm using vmware.. does it mean that I really need two of harddisks?? | 08:11 |
| dm8tbr | vmware means virtual, doesn't it? | 08:12 |
| junji_ | that's correct | 08:12 |
| junji_ | but this vmware image is already set up | 08:12 |
| junji_ | to have only one.. | 08:12 |
| junji_ | sda | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | you need the OBS image and an new empty disk-image | 08:12 |
| junji_ | yes i already have them | 08:12 |
| dm8tbr | just follow the guide closely then | 08:12 |
| junji_ | and I'm running it in vmware | 08:12 |
| junji_ | but, no idea how to get sdb | 08:12 |
| junji_ | cause in my opinion there will be some way to make vmware to have two 'virtual' harddisks.. | 08:13 |
| junji_ | from one of real harddisk.. | 08:13 |
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| dm8tbr | I'm sorry, but you really should have an basic understanding of what you are doing. | 08:14 |
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| dm8tbr | Maybe you should read about the concepts of vmware first. Independently from OBS. | 08:14 |
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| junji_ | so anyway you mean that there is a way to set two 'virtual harddisks' in vmware, is it right? | 08:15 |
| dm8tbr | yes, obviously | 08:16 |
| junji_ | ok.. thank you so much for the help | 08:17 |
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| timoph | sampos: at the grinder yet? | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:19 |
| timoph | morning | 08:19 |
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| junji_ | hallo | 08:26 |
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| Jay_BEE | good (ugt) evening | 08:39 |
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| csw_ocube | hvhey | 08:41 |
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| csw_ocube | help | 08:50 |
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| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: would you at a developer conference state 'help'? no, ask your question instead | 08:51 |
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| RST38h | Moorning, Stskeeps | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn RST38h | 08:51 |
| junji_ | what do you mean by 'a developer conference state'? | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | junji_: imagine you're in a room and you have a question you'd like answered.. would you say 'help'? | 08:52 |
| csw_ocube | helpok | 08:52 |
| csw_ocube | ok | 08:52 |
| dm8tbr | good moarning from the office. time to play with the panda and apply newfound knowledge | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: good luck | 08:53 |
| * Stskeeps is having a day of wiki page making | 08:53 | |
| csw_ocube | in api.meego.com , username and password , is it equal with meego.com? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: no, api.meego.com is for people with commit access to meego, api.pub.meego.com is for the community obs | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: thanks, I hope there won't be new obstacles now that we understand what was holding us back to create working images for beagle/panda | 08:54 |
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| junji_ | following the manual 'http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS', the vmdk files comes as a setting file already fixed.. I have no idea how to modify it to have 'sda', 'sdb' hard disks.. | 08:55 |
| csw_ocube | ok. I have a authority to access a obs, then Can I access a api.meego.com? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | csw_ocube: no, only that specific obs - api.pub.meego.com is the one in question | 08:56 |
| dm8tbr | junji_: let me guess, you are using vmware-player? | 08:57 |
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| junji_ | correct | 08:57 |
| dm8tbr | won't work then | 08:57 |
| junji_ | i'm being crazy :) | 08:57 |
| junji_ | oops.... | 08:58 |
| junji_ | then, what about virtual box? | 08:58 |
| dm8tbr | get an software that is able to modify an vm | 08:58 |
| dm8tbr | yes, vbox worked fine for me | 08:58 |
| junji_ | both are free.. | 08:58 |
| junji_ | crap | 08:58 |
| junji_ | thanks a lot!! | 08:58 |
| junji_ | I'm gonna try it right now | 08:58 |
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| csw_ocube | if I changed password in meego.com , is password changed in build.pub.meego.com? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | after an hour or so | 08:59 |
| csw_ocube | api.meego.com too? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | api.meego.com you likely don't have access to, it's a seperate process to get access to | 09:00 |
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| csw_ocube | then can I access api.pub.meego.com ? | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes.. | 09:04 |
| junji_ | dm8tbr : how did you get an ovf file (virtual box's) from the .vmx of the manual? | 09:05 |
| Myrtti | örrrörörörö | 09:05 |
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| csw_ocube | ok thank you. | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | örrrrrr | 09:05 |
| junji_ | örrrrrr? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: just use the vmdk directly | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | and make a new disk for sdb | 09:06 |
| dm8tbr | what Stskeeps says, yeah | 09:06 |
| junji_ | I don't get it.. sorry.. I only have a vmware player.. which doens't look like supporting those functions.. | 09:06 |
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| dm8tbr | yes, we already established that. please do not go back there! | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: follow the instructions on the page and use it in virtualbox instead :) | 09:07 |
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| junji_ | stskeeps: yes! that's what I'm trying now, but can I load the vmx file with virtual machine?? | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | junji_: i didn't provide a vmx :) just use the vmdk provided | 09:09 |
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| junji_ | oh, are you the person who wrote the manual? | 09:09 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, so please listen to me ;) | 09:10 |
| junji_ | you are really cool | 09:10 |
| junji_ | got it. it was in file -> virtual media manager.. not the 'import appliance'.. | 09:12 |
| junji_ | dm8tbr, stskeeps : are you guys working on meego project? | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | we all work on the meego project somehow ;) | 09:15 |
| junji_ | yes somehow.. lol | 09:15 |
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| iekku | work? | 09:15 |
| iekku | :P | 09:15 |
| junji_ | so you are not from intel or nokia huh? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: the intel and nokia guys are just as friendly :) | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | some of us get paid to work on meego, some do meego for fun/learning/marketing themselves | 09:16 |
| junji_ | awesome | 09:16 |
| thiago_home | some of us work on projects around meego | 09:17 |
| junji_ | correct. somehow, around | 09:17 |
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| junji_ | I'm trying to load the obs-server.i686-2.1.62.vmdk.. but getting an error message 'Failed to open the hard disk.. Could not get the storage format of the medium .. (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED).. anyone has seen it before? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: re-download the vmdk, the moment you touched it with vmware player it probably turned sour | 09:24 |
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| Myrtti | brilliant. my apt is broken... | 09:26 |
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| junji_ | your apt? or api? | 09:29 |
| Myrtti | my apt, on my work laptop | 09:29 |
| Myrtti | :-| | 09:29 |
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| Fansy | Stskeeps: is it possible to build the whole meego src.rpm in your VM obs with two workers? | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Fansy: yes - i did that in a week for ARMv6. it was a 1.8ghz xeon machine with ssse3 and 512mb ram | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | you probably need more RAM for things like webkit | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | is it ARM or X86 rebuild you plan to do? | 09:34 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: ARM for me. | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ARMv7 or higher? | 09:37 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: ARMv7. I plan to burn my imange to N900 | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: ah - why bother recompiling everything then? | 09:37 |
| junji_ | do you guys think meego will succeed? | 09:38 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: just for test. | 09:38 |
| junji_ | I'm positive for netbook | 09:38 |
| junji_ | not on smartphone | 09:38 |
| hhurtta | junji_: why bother working and tinkering with something you'd expect to fail? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: meego's different, let's just say that :) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | junji_: new paradigm in how things are done | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: ah | 09:39 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: I've set up my VM in my company server. The performance is very bad. | 09:39 |
| junji_ | hhurtta : no offense, I like meego that why i'm here | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Fansy: well, i did it in a week on a crappy server, so it should be possible | 09:40 |
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| hhurtta | so do we, and thats why we work hard to give it a chance to fly nicely whereever it goes. be it netbook smartphone or your microwave oven | 09:40 |
| junji_ | still.. I just downloaded a new obs-server vmx file and extracted it.. but my v-box is making a same error.. Result Code: VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80BB0005) Component: Medium Interface: IMedium {1d578f43-5ef1-4415-b556-7592d3ccdc8f} Callee: IVirtualBox {3f36e024-7fed-4f20-a02c-9158a82b44e6} | 09:42 |
| junji_ | kill me | 09:42 |
| hhurtta | but you asked whether it would succeed. answering to that properly would first require one to define the success :D | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | junji_: not vmx, vmdk | 09:42 |
| junji_ | yes.. the obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 has vmx and vmdk files. | 09:43 |
| junji_ | and I loaded the vmdk file thorugh v-box.. | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:43 |
| junji_ | can I know the version that you've tried with?? | 09:44 |
| junji_ | build 1.6? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | sure, sec | 09:44 |
| junji_ | 1.7? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | version 3.2.8 r64453 in about box | 09:44 |
| khertan_ | Morning | 09:44 |
| junji_ | thanks a lot.. that's about v box.. and.. ok there is only one vmx for i686.. it should be obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 which I just tried | 09:45 |
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| Fansy | Stskeeps: ah, Crappy server, mee to! One week, you are very patient. | 09:49 |
| dm8tbr | just to make sure I'll try it myself, again | 09:49 |
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| dm8tbr | junji_: downloading obs-server.x86_64-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 currently. will take a bit, company proxy decided to cach and scan for virus inside... | 09:52 |
| dm8tbr | err, that's wrong, sigh | 09:52 |
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| junji_ | ok.. so do I need to get the file again now? | 09:53 |
| junji_ | currently I'm downloading vbox 3.2.8 | 09:53 |
| junji_ | lol | 09:53 |
| * dm8tbr restarts his download of http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 | 09:53 | |
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| junji_ | dm8tbr : please let me know when the virus checking is done | 09:54 |
| dm8tbr | junji_: if you have obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 already then there is no need to download it again | 09:54 |
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| dm8tbr | junji_: how would that help you? | 09:54 |
| junji_ | ok..so no change on the file.. | 09:54 |
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| junji_ | I don't know my v-box is just not loading the vmdk file in the .tar.bz2 | 09:54 |
| junji_ | Stskeeps told me he used 3.2.8 version so I'm downloading the version | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | as I said, I'm going to try it as I might need it anyway | 09:55 |
| junji_ | my one was 3.2.10 the latest | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | just stay at 3.2.10 | 09:55 |
| junji_ | ok.. | 09:55 |
| dm8tbr | I strongly doubt that would make a difference | 09:55 |
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| junji_ | how long will the work take? | 09:56 |
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| junji_ | dm8tbr : are you looking at the file? | 10:00 |
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| dm8tbr | junji_: I know that might be hard for you, but I'll tell you once I got around to it. No need to ask me every 23 picoseconds. | 10:01 |
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| junji_ | ok I'm bothering you sorry | 10:01 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:04 |
| junji_ | good morning | 10:04 |
| kyb3R | morning | 10:04 |
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| Fansy | 4:00pm in my locale. | 10:07 |
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| exman | Anybody knows how to turn on the Lock Screen in Handset UX ? | 10:42 |
| exman | In MeeGo 1.1 | 10:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:48 |
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| slaine | exman: the screensaver triggers it iirc | 10:48 |
| slaine | Morning folks | 10:48 |
| exman | iirc ? | 10:49 |
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| slaine | iirc == if i recall correctly | 10:49 |
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| exman | thanks ! Do you know how to turn on the screensaver in ssh ? | 10:50 |
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| exman | DISPLAY=:0 xset s activate is not work | 10:54 |
| exman | TT | 10:54 |
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| helloworld_ | hello | 11:00 |
| junji | hallo | 11:00 |
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| lbt | Fansy: pong .... what were you planning on doing ? | 11:07 |
| csw_ocube | hey lbt | 11:09 |
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| lbt | csw_ocube morning | 11:09 |
| csw_ocube | ^^ here is night! | 11:09 |
| csw_ocube | i have question. | 11:09 |
| lbt | it's always morning when you say hello on irc :) | 11:10 |
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| csw_ocube | can i access to api.meego.com? | 11:10 |
| lbt | mmm | 11:10 |
| lbt | I don't know what the plans are for that | 11:10 |
| dneary | Hi all | 11:11 |
| lbt | probably no anonymous access | 11:11 |
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| dneary | lbt, Did you get my message after you left with that other email address? | 11:11 |
| lbt | morning dneary | 11:11 |
| csw_ocube | currently i would like to try to build a source for armv6 | 11:11 |
| lbt | co.uk one - yes | 11:11 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: yes - arrange that via Stskeeps please | 11:12 |
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| dneary | v good | 11:12 |
| lbt | the community OBS is a bit small to do that just yet | 11:12 |
| lbt | dneary: cheers | 11:12 |
| csw_ocube | Stskeeps | 11:12 |
| dneary | np | 11:12 |
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| dneary | Wow! New Google feature | 11:15 |
| dneary | Page previews | 11:15 |
| dneary | V. impressed | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Ooold :) | 11:15 |
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| dneary | Never saw it before | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Annoying too. | 11:15 |
| dneary | Guess I never moused-over the right place | 11:15 |
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| lbt | ooold as in "last week" :) | 11:17 |
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| lbt | I can never read the API docs on the previews so it doesn't help me much | 11:17 |
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| slaine | exman: not got my meego install to had atm | 11:19 |
| slaine | on other distros you can do stuff like | 11:19 |
| slaine | xdg-screensaver activate | 11:19 |
| slaine | or | 11:19 |
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| slaine | xdg-screensaver lock | 11:19 |
| slaine | etc. | 11:19 |
| exman | slaine, I found this http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7706 | 11:20 |
| exman | There is yet no hardware integration support for a lockscreen. The | 11:21 |
| exman | lockscreen application at this point is a hack that leverages SystemUI and | 11:21 |
| exman | shows up in the application launcher. For 1.1 it needs to be removed. | 11:21 |
| exman | TT | 11:22 |
| exman | slaine, thanks anyway!!! | 11:22 |
| dm8tbr | oh, well looks like Junji didn't have the patience | 11:22 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: there indeed seems to be a problem with using the vmdk directly with virtualbox. | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: lovely | 11:23 |
| dm8tbr | indeed | 11:23 |
| csw_ocube | is there sombody who know where prjconf is | 11:23 |
| csw_ocube | ? | 11:23 |
| DesktopMa | are there any prebuild kernel + rootfs for N900 with gpu acceleration? I tried the official 1.1 release and it was very slow | 11:23 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: the error is 'VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED'. I'll see if the qemu tool you mention will handle it. | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | DesktopMa: grab 'demo' image on tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 11:24 |
| DesktopMa | cool will look into it | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | DesktopMa: all of them has gpu acceleration just some drivers are worse than others | 11:25 |
| DesktopMa | I see | 11:25 |
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| sanglikr | X-Fade: hi | 11:27 |
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| sanglikr | X-Fade: Can I get access to meego community OBS | 11:28 |
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| X-Fade | sanglikr: Sure, what is your username at meego.com? | 11:29 |
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| sanglikr | muneer.sanglikar@nokia.com | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | sanglikr: username, not email :) | 11:30 |
| sanglikr | sanglikr | 11:30 |
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| X-Fade | sanglikr: When did you register this account? | 11:30 |
| sanglikr | X-Fade: 10 weeks back | 11:31 |
| X-Fade | sanglikr: I'm pretty sure that you don't have an account using that username. | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | http://meego.com/users/sanglikr gives a 404 too. | 11:32 |
| csdb_home | hi - any word on when the read-only access to the build obs is going to happen? | 11:33 |
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| X-Fade | csdb_home: Anas said 2 to 3 weeks at the conference. | 11:34 |
| csdb_home | X-Fade, I heard 1 to 2 weeks :-) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | its on video | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | csdb_home: Well, check his talk ;) | 11:34 |
| csdb_home | just wondering if anyone has a better ETA | 11:34 |
| X-Fade | csdb_home: Once it is open, there will probably be an announcement. | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | at least OBS linking should work | 11:36 |
| sanglikr | X-Fade: sorry its muneer | 11:37 |
| csdb_home | Stskeeps, do you mean linking my obs to the Meego obs? | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | sanglikr: Ok, should work now. | 11:37 |
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| gwd` | morning | 11:39 |
| sanglikr | X-Fade : I can login now, thanks | 11:40 |
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| bzhb | X-Fade: I would like a cobs access too ! My username at meego.com is bzhbok | 11:45 |
| mece | hello | 11:45 |
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| X-Fade | bzhb: Ok, added you. | 11:46 |
| bzhb | thanks, it works | 11:47 |
| mece | hey | 11:47 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: should that problem with local build not being able to pull rpm be fixed? | 11:47 |
| mece | anyone here got the meegoconf ideapad? | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: Yes. It should. | 11:48 |
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| Myrtti | kyb3R: ping? | 11:50 |
| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: I still see the same problem here | 11:52 |
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| ali1234 | mece: i've got one, you want me to test something? | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: Did you try it in a clean environment? | 11:53 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, i know i asked yesterday but i never got an answer... when is meego 1.0 core target going to be up? | 11:53 |
| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: will do | 11:53 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: When someone has time :( | 11:53 |
| kyb3R | Myrtti: pong | 11:53 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, can I help? unfortunately a few people with wetabs use my xbmc builds and the meego 1.1 glibc is causing problems :-( | 11:54 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: I think it is prjconf misconf. We probably need to get the correct one from core obs. | 11:55 |
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| arfoll | ok, I wont go and do an import of meego 1.0 core myself then ;-) | 11:57 |
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| mece | ali1234, I was wondering about qmlviewer | 11:57 |
| mece | ali1234, have you got that on there? | 11:57 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: seems like running the image through qemu-img fixed the problem, still weird. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: I might be able to take a look at it later today, although there is a large todo list already. | 11:57 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I guess you could ask the OBS people if they changed their vmdk format recently or something | 11:57 |
| ali1234 | mece: i dunno, i haven't figured out how to install things | 11:58 |
| lcuk | wow pupnik !!!! :D | 11:58 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, i have no doubt you have alot on your plate - i'd appreciate if you could have a look! | 11:58 |
| ali1234 | if it isn't installed by default i don't have it | 11:58 |
| lcuk | and nice spyro :) | 11:58 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, that video for renoise 2.6 tracker looks awesome :) | 11:58 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkt8-bOwcxQ&feature=youtube_gdata | 11:59 |
| lcuk | pupnik, they arent running it on touch, i wonder how it does handle it o_O :D | 11:59 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: is there nothing that I can try to fix on my existing chroot? It'd be a pita to set it up again from scratch, | 12:00 |
| Ford_Prefect | Nobody else is having trouble with local builds? | 12:00 |
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| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, not here | 12:02 |
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| ferringb | lcuk: what sections do you have in your .oscrc? | 12:03 |
| ferringb | fcrozat: same for you | 12:04 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: meant you... | 12:04 |
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| ferringb | fcrozat: deping, pardon | 12:04 |
| Ford_Prefect | Only [general] | 12:04 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Oh, and https://api.pub.meego.com | 12:04 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: checked the output from -v build ? | 12:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | I dumped osc HTTP headers, they look fine. But there are no headers dumped when it gets to the bit about the crepo.meego.com and api.pub.meego.com fetches | 12:05 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Yrd | 12:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | *Yes | 12:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | Nothing more that was useful | 12:05 |
| ferringb | hmm. | 12:05 |
| ferringb | lcuk: meego for the host os for you? | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | yes, direct local build though, forget my observation its not obs related | 12:06 |
| mece | ali1234, qt-declarative-qmlviewer would be the package I suppose | 12:06 |
| CosmoHill | morning .o/ | 12:06 |
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| * ferringb generally is more inclined to blame obs | 12:06 | |
| ferringb | it does special things | 12:06 |
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| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: osc co still works? | 12:07 |
| * timeless-webchat sighs | 12:07 | |
| timeless-webchat | building Qt is slow | 12:07 |
| ferringb | arm, or i586? | 12:07 |
| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: osc co, ci worked fine | 12:07 |
| Ford_Prefect | i586 | 12:07 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: bleh. I'm going to have to replicate your setup, aren't I? | 12:07 |
| ferringb | timeless-webchat: <-- actually I was asking him what arch he was building for | 12:07 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Hang on, I'm still tring to figure out what command actually dies | 12:08 |
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| timeless-webchat | ferringb: w32-vc10 | 12:08 |
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| ferringb | err. ouch | 12:08 |
| timeless-webchat | (it finally finished building webkit and is now dealing w/ lucerne) | 12:08 |
| timeless-webchat | s/rne/ne/ | 12:09 |
| infobot | timeless-webchat meant: (it finally finished building webkit and is now dealing w/ lucene) | 12:09 |
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| CosmoHill | has anyone read todays XKCD? there's lots of things to find on it | 12:09 |
| timeless-webchat | ferringb: to be fair, it's a vm and it's building release and debug | 12:09 |
| * Ford_Prefect goes old-school - strace time | 12:10 | |
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| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: check into the curl/cpio options on a guess | 12:10 |
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| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: if it keeps failing I'll split out another vm for testing, although that'll be >12 hours out (busy w/ qt/arm atm) | 12:10 |
| Ford_Prefect | ruh roh, this thing uses curl to pull the packages for the cache? | 12:10 |
| ferringb | can | 12:10 |
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| ferringb | check the osc co --help ;) | 12:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | Trying openSUSE Build Service server for rpm (MeeGo:1.1:Core), since it is not on crepo.meego.com. | 12:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | Need to figure out why it says that | 12:11 |
| Ford_Prefect | For the next one, actually | 12:11 |
| ferringb | hmm. reasonably sure it can do curl that is... might want to verify, not finding the comments in help I recalled | 12:11 |
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| timeless-webchat | Ford_Prefect: i kinda wonder how expensive building Qt is on OBS :) | 12:14 |
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| Ford_Prefect | timeless-webchat: maybe there are package generation stats somewhere? | 12:15 |
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| timeless-webchat | could be nice | 12:15 |
| ferringb | timeless-webchat: 25 minutes or so for x86 builds of qt | 12:15 |
| ferringb | ~9 hours for arm iirc, although it'll be sub 2 hours in the next week or two | 12:16 |
| timeless-webchat | this Qt build was started >6hrs ago | 12:16 |
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| ferringb | well, you mentioned you're running on windows under a vm | 12:16 |
| timeless-webchat | that's a nice upgrade, what's giving that win? | 12:16 |
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| ferringb | timeless-webchat: shit ton of optimizations I've been working on | 12:16 |
| ferringb | that and a corner case qemu vma emulation issue | 12:17 |
| ferringb | mostly the latter | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ferringb: cool :) | 12:17 |
| * ferringb notes that's assuming qemu stops breaking in interesting new ways for 0.13 | 12:17 | |
| CosmoHill | I'd prefer interested new ways to the dull old ones | 12:18 |
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| * ferringb would take the old ones atm | 12:19 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm kinda corned myself on this powerbook | 12:19 |
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| timeless-webchat | ooh | 12:22 |
| * timeless-webchat has some files | 12:22 | |
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| timeless-webchat | maybe this did something? | 12:22 |
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| timeless-webchat | qt is weird. most things generate shared libraries in place and then have an installish target which dumps them where they belong | 12:23 |
| timeless-webchat | qt instead builds its object files in one places but directly builds the shared libraries where they're going to go ([qtdir]/lib) | 12:24 |
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| ferringb | *cough* glibc | 12:26 |
| ferringb | if memory serves at least | 12:26 |
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| CosmoHill | I still don't understand why MeeGo uses glibc and eglibc | 12:27 |
| timeless-webchat | instead of bsd libc? :) | 12:27 |
| CosmoHill | I mean why have both | 12:27 |
| CosmoHill | eglibc works just fine on x86 systems | 12:28 |
| ferringb | arm? | 12:28 |
| ferringb | if just x86, well, no dice | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: we only use glibc | 12:28 |
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| CosmoHill | atm MeeGo has Glibc on x86 and eGlibc on ARM | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | same on both | 12:28 |
| CosmoHill | really? since when? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | since forever | 12:28 |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 12:29 |
| ferringb | day 1, I'm guessing (I've not seen eglibc yet) | 12:29 |
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| ferringb | although I'd like to see some experiments that way some point | 12:29 |
| CosmoHill | okay then ignore me | 12:29 |
| CosmoHill | ferringb: I've used eglibc on ultraSPARC, x86 and 32bit powerpc | 12:29 |
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| CosmoHill | CLFS moved from glibc to eglibc on all it's target architectures | 12:30 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Okay, some progress. It's getting a 401 on when trying to get the rpm from api.pub.m.c | 12:31 |
| ferringb | heh | 12:32 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: guessing you've been having these issues for a long while btw? multiple days? | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | I get "Logged in as Cosmo" :) | 12:32 |
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| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: additional thing I'd check, the protocol used- if it's connecting to 443 or 80 (your config is only authed for 443) | 12:32 |
| Ford_Prefect | ferringb: couple of days, yes. | 12:32 |
| Ford_Prefect | 443 | 12:33 |
| CosmoHill | my laptop redirected me from 80 to 443 | 12:33 |
| ferringb | yeah, if you recall my whinging in a seperate channel, I just ran into something similar (403) against build.opensuse.org | 12:33 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, ping | 12:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | I've only just gotten to actually debugging this, though | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: pong | 12:33 |
| ferringb | best I could figure, although I couldn't prove it, was .osc*cookie* was implicated | 12:33 |
| ferringb | possibly .config/osc also | 12:33 |
| lcuk | hey, those patches for tearing you used for the demo, where abouts on your obs are they? | 12:33 |
| CosmoHill | remember that build.pub.m.c and build.m.c are different OBSes | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: home:cvm:feature11_vsync | 12:33 |
| lcuk | \o thanks | 12:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | Well, this should work, afaict. urlgrabber is given the appropriate handler. | 12:34 |
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| CosmoHill | silly question, on api.pub.m.c, where is the logout button? | 12:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, are they able to be listed openly outside your obs, ie is the copyright status strange or are they signed off? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no licensing problems except the moral obligation of not pushing development code to a large audience :P | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | especially since i'm going to be working on that repo next week to update it to stage it for 1.2 :P | 12:36 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, but if we got someone to look at them with some specific domain knowledge to help tidy them up? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i think i need some context here.. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:37 |
| lcuk | context - we want tear free. | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | where? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:38 |
| lcuk | and getting people involved from the x11 side (if thats where patches are from) | 12:38 |
| lcuk | well, everywhere would be good | 12:38 |
| lcuk | but lets start with meego handset :P | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | just grab the demo image on tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 12:38 |
| lcuk | will this patch fix my missus ladder in her tights? | 12:38 |
| lcuk | its not about the demo image, its about getting a patch into the main flow | 12:39 |
| ali1234 | i want a pony | 12:39 |
| lcuk | what colour? | 12:39 |
| ali1234 | greeeeeeeen | 12:39 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the patchsets seen for other systems involve sgx, hence me asking | 12:39 |
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| timeless-webchat | ali1234: most people prefer pink :) | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | timeless-webchat, most people who ask have nick names starting with M and ending in yrtti | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: my plan is on monday to upgrade to newest fbdev-sgx which doesnt crash on normal xorg and prepare the kernel work for our maintainer to review and integrate | 12:40 |
| timeless-webchat | lcuk: heh | 12:41 |
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| Fansy | X-Fade: Could you please license me to login the build.meego.com? I just want to check the Project Config for my own OBS. | 12:41 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, reasonable :) the fbdev-sgx is open (the sgx worries me) | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Fansy: No, I can't. | 12:42 |
| lcuk | ? ^ | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Fansy: We don't manage core OBS. | 12:42 |
| * timeless-webchat sighs | 12:42 | |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: prjconf is on infrastructure tools in meego.gitorious.org | 12:42 |
| timeless-webchat | after 6 hours i got a build of Qt which only has public symbols | 12:42 |
| ferringb | Ford_Prefect: better to state what's failing/what you're attempting to do... | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: right | 12:43 |
| * ferringb sighs... really not doing well w/ the autocompletion right now | 12:43 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: just has to link against gles/pvr so it is in non-oss as trunk cant touch non-oss with a ten foot pole | 12:44 |
| ferringb | Fansy: better to state what's failing/what you're attempting to do... | 12:44 |
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| Fansy | Stskeeps: Actually it still can't work well even I import the prjconf from meego.gitorious.org. | 12:44 |
| Ford_Prefect | Just a osc build meego_1.1_core i586 ... , ferringb | 12:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | :/ | 12:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | Think I need to pop out wireshark at this point | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: did you take the Trunk one? | 12:45 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I'm not sure anymore about OBS. I'll have to look further into it. :/ (after lunch) | 12:45 |
| timeless-webchat | oh nice | 12:45 |
| * timeless-webchat is about to run out of disk space | 12:45 | |
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| ferringb | Fansy: reiterating... what exactly are you attempting to do that requires you to get a prjconf dump? | 12:47 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, and the open patches do not actually modify sgx copyrighted (ie private) code? | 12:47 |
| Fansy | Stskeeps: Which one? I took this one: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config | 12:47 |
| lokesh | how to flash an image to aava ? | 12:48 |
| lokesh | I have a .sda.bin file and one boot.bin file ? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, just uses them | 12:49 |
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| lokesh | Do I need to copy boot.bin file to some directory ? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | lokesh: use the .sda.bin one | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | thats the sd card image, afaiok | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | Fansy: Trunk | 12:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats good then, thanks | 12:50 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, how do you do an arm specific thing in the spec? I remembered it was something like %if arm but that doesnt seem to work and i cant find the damned slides that explained it at the conf! | 12:50 |
| lcuk | speak up if you would like some assistance technical or otherwise \o | 12:50 |
| lokesh | yeh.. but last time I flashed that image to sd card and used on aava, my aava didn't boot up :( | 12:50 |
| CosmoHill | I'm a little stuck with message queuing and sockets but that's unrelated to meego | 12:51 |
| ferringb | arfoll: %ifarch %arm | 12:51 |
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| arfoll | ferringb awesome cheers | 12:51 |
| CosmoHill | don't forget %else and %endif | 12:52 |
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| Fansy | ferringb: My obs is working. But faild to build any Meego src rpm. I'm attempting to build the whole Meego source. I think it should be the prjconf issue. | 12:55 |
| ferringb | that's not prjconf | 12:55 |
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| ferringb | Fansy: building what pkg? | 12:56 |
| timeless-webchat | hi lokesh | 12:56 |
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| lokesh | hi timeless | 12:57 |
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| Fansy | ferringb: let me check. Sry. | 12:58 |
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| CosmoHill | arfoll: Something you might like: http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/kernel.spec | 13:01 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, cheers | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | they're not that good but they all compiled and they've been running on my server for almost 2 years :) | 13:03 |
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| tyson_ | dddd | 13:05 |
| lokesh | any aava experts here ? | 13:05 |
| lokesh | I need help | 13:06 |
| arfoll | lokesh, i'm far from an expert but shoot | 13:07 |
| lcuk | lokesh, hi, you might have luck asking in #meego-handset although we haven't heard too much noise from aava folks recently | 13:08 |
| lokesh | I have this .sda.bin file, which I dd to my mmc card | 13:08 |
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| lokesh | now my aava doesn't boot.. | 13:08 |
| lokesh | do I need to put the .boot.bin file somewhere in some directory ? | 13:08 |
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| lokesh | when I press the power key, It shows the aavamobile logo and is stuck there | 13:09 |
| arfoll | lokesh, no dd'ing the .sda.bin file should be enough | 13:09 |
| lokesh | does it take a long time to boot ? | 13:09 |
| arfoll | make sure your /boot isnt empty | 13:09 |
| lokesh | I can check that | 13:10 |
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| arfoll | lokesh, depends on your device - do you have a DV1/EV0/EV2? | 13:10 |
| lokesh | dv2 | 13:10 |
| arfoll | only one i haven't played with, but i guess they should work better, i had boot problems with ev0 | 13:11 |
| arfoll | which image are you using? last one i used was 1.1 stable | 13:11 |
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| lokesh | I built one based on the latest available in trunk | 13:12 |
| arfoll | i have no idea then, have you tried one of the premade images to see if they work? maybe check your SD card, i fried one while writing an aava image, although the aava after 1 minute or so would show me an error message on that bootup logo | 13:13 |
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| julienf | hello | 13:14 |
| lolloo | hello | 13:14 |
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| julienf | am looking for people in London, as we're thinking of organizing a "Christmas" meetup :) | 13:14 |
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| lokesh | hmm.. will try with other SD card | 13:17 |
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| lokesh | I am using a Class 6 SD card, does that make a difference ? | 13:17 |
| arfoll | lokesh, no idea, i used a class2 and a class4 | 13:18 |
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| lokesh | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.7.20101123.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/meego-handset-ia32-mtf-1.1.80.7.20101123.1-sda.bin.bz2 | 13:18 |
| lokesh | is this for AAVA ? | 13:18 |
| spyro | lokesh: aava images normally have aava in the filename | 13:18 |
| arfoll | no you want one that says aava | 13:19 |
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| lokesh | none available on repo.meego.com | 13:19 |
| arfoll | those are for moorestone SDK - i tried one on aava, and they dont boot | 13:19 |
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| spyro | aava is a very different architecture to IA32 | 13:19 |
| lokesh | my .ks file which I used to build the image, I had taken from there | 13:19 |
| lokesh | where can I find a kickstart file for AAVA ? | 13:20 |
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| arfoll | spyro, what? it's an atom moorestone | 13:20 |
| arfoll | lokesh, look here - http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/ | 13:20 |
| arfoll | i'm sure you can adapt the .ks and see where the diff is | 13:21 |
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| lokesh | is it like support for AAVA dropped for 1.2 ? | 13:21 |
| lokesh | I dont see any aava images in Trunk anymore | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | lokesh: its integrated with ia32-mtf at least | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think its directly unsupported | 13:21 |
| arfoll | lokesh, thats true. the pvr-bin driver is still there for moorestone though i checked | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | just.. no longer a reference device | 13:22 |
| arfoll | you probably just need to fix the .ks to make it boot | 13:22 |
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| lokesh | arfoll : what exactly do I need to fix in ks ? | 13:22 |
| arfoll | lokesh, no idea, do a diff between the mtf image and aava image | 13:23 |
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| arfoll | sure you'll find something | 13:23 |
| lokesh | yeh good ides. | 13:23 |
| lokesh | yeh good idea | 13:23 |
| lokesh | thanks | 13:23 |
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| spyro | arfoll: yes, the cpu is the same | 13:25 |
| spyro | arfoll: but ia32 is an architecture inc. chipset type. x86 is an insn set :) | 13:25 |
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| lokesh | only platforid=aava | 13:25 |
| lokesh | difference | 13:26 |
| arfoll | spyro, lol ok | 13:26 |
| lokesh | also fstype in aava is btrfs | 13:26 |
| leinir | spyro: oi! sorry for the lack of replies and stuff, been a bit busy since i got back :) | 13:26 |
| spyro | try booting an aava kernel on qemu - it will fail because the hardware is alien compared to ia32 | 13:26 |
| spyro | leinir: hiya matey :) | 13:26 |
| arfoll | lokesh, well i can tell you that image works for me, so I would start changing that | 13:27 |
| spyro | lokesh: fstype is irrelevant - all the aava differences are hardware (and thus kernel) differences | 13:27 |
| arfoll | spyro, yeah but we where talking about the moorestone SDK and the aava | 13:27 |
| lokesh | yeh :) | 13:27 |
| spyro | oh the sdk will be near identical. just not the images | 13:27 |
| arfoll | my point | 13:28 |
| spyro | :) | 13:28 |
| arfoll | lokesh, try figure out what patforid does, im guessing thats all you need to change | 13:29 |
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| lokesh | ok will try | 13:29 |
| spyro | userspace software should not care about the diff. between aava and ia32 | 13:29 |
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| luisbg | Ford_Prefect, woohoo! I can have meego in virtualbox! | 13:34 |
| luisbg | without sound, but going to install it instead of running it live from the img | 13:35 |
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| Braileanul | a | 13:35 |
| Braileanul | hello | 13:35 |
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| Myrtti | right | 13:37 |
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| * timeless-webchat rotfl | 13:39 | |
| timeless-webchat | lokesh: have you ever tried filing a bug using http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/secure/CreateIssue.jspa ? | 13:39 |
| timeless-webchat | Followed by....Maemo 6 | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | hey tekojo | 13:40 |
| lokesh | timeless : sorry, I didnt :( | 13:40 |
| lokesh | timeless = ??? | 13:40 |
| tekojo | Hello | 13:40 |
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| * CosmoHill has two overheating laptops on his desk :/ | 13:41 | |
| julienf | CosmoHill: open the window... that should help :D | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | damn that's a good idea | 13:42 |
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| julienf | I've had to get myself one of these laptop stands with fans for my MBP.. | 13:43 |
| julienf | CosmoHill: where are you based? | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | my powerbook is at 65C and has been for the last hour | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | Essex, UK | 13:43 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, my desktop sits at 71C - it's fine | 13:44 |
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| adeus | overheating will definitely not be a problem if you put it outside now :) | 13:45 |
| adeus | -10C | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | adeus, is that finger friendly? | 13:45 |
| luisbg | in meego... how do I go to a shell outside of X? | 13:45 |
| julienf | CosmoHill: could you make it to London for an evening? | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | my other laptop is 28C and 15C.., that's not right | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | julienf: no | 13:46 |
| CosmoHill | sorry | 13:46 |
| julienf | that's alright :) | 13:46 |
| julienf | luisbg: CTRL+Alt+F1/F2...? | 13:47 |
| luisbg | julienf, hmmm... when I try to do that in virtualbox, it changes the display in the host | 13:48 |
| luisbg | going to google for it | 13:48 |
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| CosmoHill | adeus: I'd have warm legs and the rest of me will be froxen | 13:48 |
| paines | hi | 13:49 |
| julienf | luisbg: there was something also with Ctrl/Alt and the right/left keys | 13:49 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 13:49 |
| adeus | CosmoHill: so it averages out nicely | 13:49 |
| julienf | hi paines | 13:49 |
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| luisbg | julienf, I get nothing with the right/left keys (+ ctrl/alt) | 13:50 |
| julienf | quick question: How much work do you think it would be to get an app from Maemo to Meego? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | is it qt? | 13:50 |
| julienf | Stskeeps: it's a game, so I doubt :) | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | gles2? | 13:51 |
| lcuk | sdl? | 13:51 |
| ferringb | Stskeeps: curious, you involved in qemu-arm/qt at all? | 13:51 |
| paines | I am plying around with a qemu+beagle setup. I managed to got a meego beagle image booting, described mostly here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle. however there is no X, nor can't i log in. root + meego isn't working as user credentails. anyone know what I am missing ? | 13:51 |
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| julienf | gles2 I think | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | ferringb: no, but i maintain meego for n900 and was along since very early on on the meego arm port | 13:51 |
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| ferringb | Stskeeps: who is the qemu-arm person to chat with? | 13:52 |
| ferringb | Stskeeps: bugging you since BMC 5217 I just noticed | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | ferringb: dl9pf, scriptripper and suihkulokki is my usual go-to guys -- i think my prelink patches aren't 100% stable | 13:52 |
| * lcuk goes and lays down, burled up around his thoughts for a while :) | 13:53 | |
| Stskeeps | ferringb: got it in home:cvm/prelink | 13:53 |
| lcuk | curled even :P | 13:53 |
| ferringb | Stskeeps: any progress on that prelink bug btw? that one strikes me as potentially beneficial ;) | 13:53 |
| ferringb | dl9pf: ping | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ferringb: it's beyond my abilities i think - linaro wants to work on it too but it's low-prio | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ferringb: if you know more about ELF than me, you're more than welcome to continue onmy work :) | 13:54 |
| * ferringb is mainly fixing the emulation issues atm for building | 13:54 | |
| Stskeeps | :nod: sounds really good | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ferringb: feel free to hang out in #meego-arm | 13:54 |
| * ferringb mutters, yeah, that channel would make sense | 13:55 | |
| Stskeeps | as that's where most people who are 'qemu customers' are in | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | woot, my program reached 12 characters | 13:55 |
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| lcuk | is the system update for meego ok to install or does it do something to networking to break it? | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | wl-kmod breaks afaik | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | important update available [DISMISS] for now then | 14:02 |
| lcuk | thanks Stskeeps :) | 14:02 |
| luisbg | anybody has meego installed in a virtualbox in a machine without intel graphics? | 14:02 |
| timeless-webchat | lokesh: tsk =b | 14:02 |
| ScriptRipper | pong ferringb | 14:03 |
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| lokesh | timeless ??? | 14:03 |
| lokesh | tsk =b ?? | 14:03 |
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| timeless-webchat | luisbg: what do you mean w/o intel graphics? | 14:07 |
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| timeless-webchat | i've installed an old version of meego into virtualbox | 14:07 |
| luisbg | timeless-webchat, I'm following the wiki page I just found | 14:07 |
| timeless-webchat | and iirc i eventually managed to get x to do something | 14:07 |
| luisbg | let me see if I can make it work :) | 14:07 |
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| timeless-webchat | anyway, my day is basically over. good luck | 14:08 |
| CosmoHill | bye timeless-webchat | 14:08 |
| lcuk_idea | timeless-webchat, doing anything this weekend? | 14:09 |
| timeless-webchat | have a happy thanksgiving | 14:09 |
| luisbg | timeless-webchat, X works now | 14:09 |
| timeless-webchat | lcuk_idea: are you in town? | 14:09 |
| luisbg | is there anyway to change the screen resolution of meego? | 14:09 |
| lcuk_idea | would like to be, but alas no | 14:09 |
| timeless-webchat | i'm trying to arrange for people to see The Social Network | 14:09 |
| luisbg | timeless-webchat, great movie! :) | 14:09 |
| lcuk_idea | cool, theres a meego meetup on monday afaik | 14:09 |
| timeless-webchat | lcuk_idea: remind me monday before i miss it? | 14:10 |
| timeless-webchat | now it a bad time ;) | 14:10 |
| lcuk_idea | sure, np, enjoy the movie | 14:10 |
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| timeless-webchat | sp3000: so... would you be in? | 14:11 |
| timeless-webchat | i'll need to coordinate w/ people sunday morning, it's probably hsivonen + smaug + myself | 14:11 |
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| dl9pf | ferringb: pong | 14:19 |
| dl9pf | hi | 14:19 |
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| lokesh | looks like 'kernel-mrst' is missing in trunk now | 14:25 |
| lokesh | my aava image creation from trunk/daily fails | 14:25 |
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| * CosmoHill wonders how he got a standard deviation of 230 million | 14:28 | |
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| lcuk_idea | CosmoHill, lol | 14:28 |
| lcuk_idea | does anyone know where the ITP wiki page is, I cant seem to find it, the one created by lbt and timoph | 14:29 |
| luisbg | how come the wiki says "yum" for all package handling things, but meego includes zypper? | 14:29 |
| luisbg | is it a 1.0 -> 1.1 change? | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | can't you search for the user and then view the pages they;ve made? | 14:30 |
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| lcuk_idea | CosmoHill, found it http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 14:32 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, that standard deviation is really gonna mess up my graph | 14:32 |
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| CosmoHill | yay | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | this is to prevent multiple people working towards the same goal without knowing, correct? | 14:33 |
| lcuk_idea | yes | 14:33 |
| lcuk_idea | and also to give timoph some load balancing :P | 14:33 |
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| lcuk_idea | damn this ideapad does not get hot | 14:34 |
| lcuk_idea | my hands are cold | 14:34 |
| CosmoHill | wanna borrow my powerbook? | 14:34 |
| * lcuk_idea rebuilds libmeegotouch | 14:34 | |
| * Ford_Prefect hands lcuk_idea a Gentoo livecd :D | 14:34 | |
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| lcuk_idea | haha | 14:34 |
| CosmoHill | go on youtube | 14:35 |
| lcuk_idea | it is strange that its idle speed is 1000mhz tho | 14:35 |
| CosmoHill | youtube gets my laptop hotter than the program I was just running | 14:35 |
| lcuk_idea | my x41 would idle at 600mhz happily :) | 14:35 |
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| lcuk_idea | and my 200s idles at 800 | 14:35 |
| paines | hey guys, I have the MEEGO_GENIVI_BEAGLE_DEMO.img, and it boots up, but I cannot log into, with root/meego. any idea ? | 14:36 |
| lcuk_idea | i guess it needs to run so fast all the time :) | 14:36 |
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| spyro | lcuk: the cpu has only 3 speeds on the ideapad | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | paines: can you login with meego/meego ? | 14:36 |
| lcuk_idea | spyro, on the silicon or in the kernel? | 14:36 |
| paines | CosmoHill, no | 14:37 |
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| spyro | silicon I'd expect | 14:37 |
| lcuk_idea | good to see you here btw :) | 14:37 |
| spyro | lcuk: :) | 14:37 |
| CosmoHill | maybe you need to mount it, chroot in and run passwd | 14:37 |
| lcuk_idea | are things hectic at your house? | 14:37 |
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| spyro | lcuk: hectic as in I'm preparing to move, yes. Hectic as in crowded / chaotic, no. Feel free to visit, I could use the company :) | 14:39 |
| lcuk_idea | do you have bud or guinness on tap? | 14:39 |
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| paines | CosmoHill, good idea. i will just mount it and delete the root pw | 14:40 |
| paines | thanks for idea | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | no problem, I've had to do it myself | 14:40 |
| CosmoHill | sometimes I find that passwd doesn't work in a chroot but it still allows you to delete passwords | 14:40 |
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| spyro | lcuk: Can be arranged, all three kinds :) | 14:41 |
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| lcuk_idea | haha | 14:42 |
| lcuk_idea | ill have a shower and head over in a bit then | 14:42 |
| spyro | okies :) | 14:42 |
| mairas | lbt, X-Fade, were you able to provide accounts to the community OBS? | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | mairas: yes. | 14:43 |
| mairas | X-Fade, and a Python project as well? ;-) | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | mairas: Should work for you now. | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | mairas: Well the project is something which might need some discussion. | 14:44 |
| mairas | X-Fade, I'm ready to discuss :-D | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | mairas: But i'm not atm. -ENOTIME | 14:45 |
| mairas | X-Fade, sudo I'm ready to discuss | 14:46 |
| mairas | (nah, take your time) | 14:46 |
| * lcuk_idea giggles | 14:47 | |
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| renato | X-Fade, How I can get a meego comunity OBS account, to work with PySide packages? | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | renato: sure, what is your username at meego.com? | 14:53 |
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| renato | one minute I need to check | 14:53 |
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| renato | X-Fade, renatofilho | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | renato: ok, done. | 14:55 |
| renato | X-Fade, thanks :D | 14:55 |
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| lcuk_idea | err question: for a bug report how do I identify the build version of this netbook i am in now | 15:05 |
| * lcuk_idea is used to maemo in this regard | 15:05 | |
| andre__ | good question, and you are not the first one asking | 15:06 |
| lcuk_idea | i will leave it for now, but will file a bug about it specifically once I am done with this one | 15:08 |
| dm8tbr | cat /etc/meego-release - gives some output | 15:08 |
| javispedro | We did that at the conf | 15:09 |
| javispedro | but IMHO you should report versions of involved components | 15:09 |
| * andre__ wonders if "cat /etc/meego-release" works on any platform | 15:11 | |
| Stskeeps | any that has it in .ks yeah | 15:11 |
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| lassemon | hi guys. Is there a way to increase MeeGo stack size limit? | 15:18 |
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| mece | whoa, meego netbook boots super fast :) | 15:31 |
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| tybollt | mece: whooa meego phone are super slow! | 15:34 |
| tybollt | phones* | 15:34 |
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| lassemon | have you read this? : http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/11/the-meego-progress-report-a-or-d/ | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, good article by dneary | 15:58 |
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| dneary | hey hey! One was summoned? | 15:59 |
| lassemon | indeed | 16:00 |
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| lassemon | just reading it made me wonder, does anyone else thing that the weird bird mascots of MeeGo are very lame? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think they were quite cool, they grow on you | 16:00 |
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| Myrtti | bird mascots? | 16:00 |
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| lassemon | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/imagecache/highlight_image/highlights/meego-highlight-1.1-release.png | 16:01 |
| lassemon | those guys | 16:01 |
| Myrtti | oh, I've never even thought they look anything like birds | 16:01 |
| lcuk | lassemon, they arent all birds | 16:01 |
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| lassemon | ok well bird-like :D | 16:01 |
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| lassemon | c'mon they look like they have beacks :) | 16:02 |
| Bostik | they look a bit like Katamari family members | 16:02 |
| * Jucato can't see the resemblance | 16:02 | |
| Jucato | only one has | 16:02 |
| Jucato | dunno, they look more like noses than beaks :) | 16:02 |
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| townxelliot | is the community obs explained anywhere on the MeeGo wiki? | 16:03 |
| lassemon | just to think that the target developers (mostly atleast familiar with linux) are used to really cool stuff, those mascots don't really rise to the level | 16:03 |
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| townxelliot | in particular, how to get an account? | 16:04 |
| Chani | I dunno, but the git of it seems to be "talk to lbt" | 16:04 |
| lcuk | lassemon, so what would YOUR meegon look like? | 16:04 |
| Chani | townxelliot: yeah, accounts are handed out by lbt :) | 16:04 |
| lcuk | how would you make it stand out | 16:04 |
| Mek | townxelliot: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 16:04 |
| Chani | birds? wuh? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | well to be fair, some of them are birds | 16:05 |
| Chani | to me, they just look very... wide... | 16:05 |
| lcuk | but by the same token, some of them are bottles too | 16:05 |
| Jucato | one is a furry critter *glances at leinir* | 16:05 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons#texrat | 16:05 |
| townxelliot | Mek, Chani: thanks | 16:05 |
| dm8tbr | lassemon: well, to add my 0,02€ - friends call the android mascot little green f*er. I accordingly started calling them the little colourful... | 16:05 |
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| Chani | haha | 16:06 |
| leinir | Jucato: *giggles* Yees? :) | 16:06 |
| Chani | oh right, I was suppised to ask for a meegon | 16:06 |
| * Chani was supposed to do many things. | 16:06 | |
| Jucato | leinir: oh were just talking about meegons as birds and furry critters :P | 16:06 |
| lassemon | well lcuk when I think of the reasons I like linux in general, one reason is because linux nerds are cool. When you have wallpapers like this: http://bit.ly/fIUznU out there and cool UI things like the compiz-fusion, the MeeGo image just isn't good enough, for me and a lot of me friends say the same | 16:06 |
| leinir | Chani: *nods* Yup! :) texrat does drop by here from time to time :) | 16:06 |
| leinir | Jucato: Aah *giggles* :) | 16:06 |
| lcuk | lassemon, hold on | 16:06 |
| lcuk | you are moaning the meegons look like birds | 16:07 |
| lcuk | and you pull a penguin out of your ass as something you like? | 16:07 |
| lassemon | yeah i know :D | 16:07 |
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| lassemon | but the birds thing is not my point, the lameness is, the whatever MeeGo mascots are seem like little happy playing children in their own candy-land world | 16:08 |
| lassemon | that's not cool to me | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | make an aweome meegon for yourself then? | 16:08 |
| lcuk | with a lightsabre if you desire | 16:08 |
| dm8tbr | dark-helmet-meegon ;) | 16:08 |
| Chani | aww | 16:08 |
| * dm8tbr walks up to mr.coffee to watch some radar | 16:09 | |
| * lcuk thinks the meegons are awesome and wishes he had skills to draw them as well | 16:09 | |
| Chani | I'll admit, the meego artwork style isn't really 'me'.. | 16:09 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/images/Liqmeegon.png | 16:09 |
| lcuk | sith meegon me :D | 16:09 |
| lcuk | the beard is too long tho :P | 16:09 |
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| lassemon | well I wasn't so much wanting something cool for myself, jost worried that the MeeGo image is effecting the buyers decision and the developers motivation and thus effecting the app supply and thus again the end buyer | 16:10 |
| lassemon | don't get me wrong I want the MeeGo to succeed as much as possible, just worried that it'll do less so because of this | 16:10 |
| lcuk | nahh theres other things atm like how to organise all the uxes and arrange which apps are available in each and give a consistant store front and to make it fast etc | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | the meegons are just a few peoples way of motivating and including community which is just as awesome in my eyes | 16:11 |
| Jucato | what buyers? buyers are unlikely to see meegons except in the stock wallpaper, which is unlikely to remain unchanged by vendors I think | 16:11 |
| Jucato | developers motivation affected by logos/mascots? hm ... | 16:12 |
| lcuk | lassemon, in a hospital different people do different tasks, having some folks toying with meegons does not prevent the hard work from others | 16:12 |
| Myrtti | oh lord, the idea that mascots mean something to the buyers... | 16:12 |
| Khertan | I ve a question of #meego on n900 what is the current status of last image ? does phone is working ? | 16:12 |
| Myrtti | just think - STEVE JOBS IS THE MASCOT OF APPLE | 16:12 |
| Myrtti | ewwww | 16:12 |
| lassemon | :D | 16:12 |
| Jucato | (then again, given the attendance in meego conf, I'm sure the developers were never affected :) | 16:12 |
| lassemon | mm, but Apple is a perfect example of motivating masses of people and how it works | 16:13 |
| RST38h | When Jobs dies, will they build him a mausoleum? | 16:13 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: he'll never die | 16:13 |
| Khertan | RST38h, you mean an iMausoleum | 16:13 |
| lcuk | RST38h, they could just keep him in the signal testing vault | 16:13 |
| lassemon | I really hope you guys are right and that it no big deal | 16:13 |
| RST38h | Better yet, what will they do to the body? | 16:14 |
| Jucato | iTomb | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | besides if some company decides to come up with an meego based product they'll brand it their way... | 16:14 |
| Jucato | see: Android | 16:14 |
| RST38h | The guy being such an aesthete and perfectionist, he probably hates the idea of post-mortem rot | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | So, will the faithful subject him to plastification or something? With his turtleneck included? | 16:15 |
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| lassemon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw | 16:16 |
| Khertan | something that i hate the most on wiki is the search engine ... a real pain to use | 16:16 |
| lassemon | for example this way of seeing MeeGo is really really cool | 16:16 |
| lassemon | (altough a little complex, still cool) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | well the best wiki search engine is google :) | 16:16 |
| lcuk | how did this subject even come up? | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 16:17 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:17 |
| Jucato | lcuk: which one? Jobs? | 16:17 |
| Jucato | if yes, I point at Myrtti :) | 16:17 |
| lassemon | :D | 16:17 |
| lcuk | frals, regarding your earlier tweet | 16:18 |
| Khertan | <RST38h> well the best wiki search engine is google :) < yeah but it s a pain to found something on meego wiki | 16:18 |
| lcuk | would this even work: RT: @ovibynokia RT @WOMWorldNokia Apps to take up Everest on the Nokia N8: http://bit.ly/ih8skT | 16:18 |
| w00t | Khertan: hint: site:wiki.meego.com | 16:18 |
| Jucato | otherwise it's lassemon ... which reminds me of pokemon/digimon ... which I find ironic since he/she brought up the topic of mascots :) | 16:18 |
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| lassemon | :) yeah, the name actually is a long story and has relation to pokemon, but never mind that :P | 16:19 |
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| Khertan | ouch ... there is many different way to install meego on n900 | 16:19 |
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| lassemon | running MeeGo from class 4 memory card in n900 is not good enough, tried it, failed | 16:20 |
| Jucato | technically you don't install it *on* the n900 (unless that has changed now). you install it on the SD card and boot into that using the flasher | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: grab the 'demo' image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 16:20 |
| leinir | Also, please, PLEASE get a faster card... | 16:20 |
| Khertan | Does there is prefered way ? | 16:21 |
| lcuk | ooh virgin media stb looks pretty | 16:21 |
| lcuk | http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/26/virgin_media_tivo_screens/ | 16:21 |
| leinir | class 10 if you can, though i know those are a bit expensive ;) | 16:21 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, phone call working ? | 16:21 |
| Khertan | leinir, and hard to find | 16:21 |
| Jucato | it calls, but there's no audio routing. iow only the speakers are used | 16:21 |
| Jucato | (not the phone speaker) | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: yes, but only if you dont have PIN | 16:22 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, nice | 16:22 |
| leinir | Khertan: not really that hard - unless you insist on a physical store :) | 16:22 |
| Khertan | all i need is be able to call and receive call ... and a xterm | 16:22 |
| Khertan | leinir, yeah :) | 16:22 |
| Jucato | hm .. is there a way to find out an SD card's class after it has been bought and the packaging discarded? :) | 16:22 |
| lassemon | I've heard class 6 should be enough, I think that's also the recommendation | 16:22 |
| Khertan | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot << this method is ok ? | 16:23 |
| lassemon | Jucato: isn't there a number on the card somewhere? | 16:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: go for the one using 'flasher' right now | 16:23 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps, oki thx for the info | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | Khertan: just make sure that you don't install some weird kernel ;) | 16:24 |
| Khertan | ouch my sd card is a class 2 | 16:24 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:24 |
| Jucato | lassemon: hehe it was too small to read. thanks | 16:24 |
| * Jucato has class 4 | 16:24 | |
| Khertan | dm8tbr, sure ... :) | 16:24 |
| lassemon | uh | 16:24 |
| lassemon | :) | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i have class too, fwiw | 16:24 |
| lassemon | yeah, above class 4 is not that common | 16:24 |
| Jucato | well, at leas the 8GB one is C4. I have some others. dunno the classes yet :) | 16:24 |
| Khertan | hum ... even if slow it ll be enough to test my app | 16:24 |
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| lassemon | Jucato: yeah :) bare in mind that the price goes up as much as double from 4 -> 6 | 16:25 |
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| lassemon | I hope you don't have to buy one | 16:25 |
| lcuk | Khertan, as usual, make it as fast as possible now and once the rest of the optimisations from other teams hit the apps will fly | 16:25 |
| Jucato | I think 4 is enough for MeeGo if I have to buy one I think :) | 16:25 |
| lassemon | :D | 16:25 |
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| lassemon | well it'll run, bot don't expect it to be smooth | 16:26 |
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| Khertan | lcuk, yep :) | 16:26 |
| paines | hey guys. i got the meego + beagle image in a qemu+beagle setup running. now I have the problem I cannot do inputs. I see some Tips and Tricks window, but clicking the close button does nothing. any idea ?!?!? | 16:26 |
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| tvainio | i first used an old 2G microsd card, not even a microSDHC. then switched to class 6 card but didn't notice any difference in performance | 16:26 |
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| lassemon | tvainio: on n900 ? | 16:29 |
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| tvainio | lassemon: yes | 16:30 |
| GAN900 | tvainio, really gonna depend on what you're doing. | 16:30 |
| tvainio | haven't done any benchmarking | 16:30 |
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| tvainio | just generic UI feel + some test automation things | 16:30 |
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| GAN900 | tvainio, which is fairly useless as a real comparison. ;) | 16:35 |
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| lassemon | dunno, with us the class 4 had some serious problems just opening the application list window | 16:36 |
| lassemon | ls | 16:36 |
| lassemon | damn | 16:36 |
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| lolloo | hey lcuk , funny picture. | 16:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I hope windows phone 7 survives some time | 16:39 |
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| ShadowJK | so MS can push through a "Phone 7 Ready" certification for microsd cards :) | 16:40 |
| berndhs | ShadowJK: also, if it fails, they might make another one | 16:40 |
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| dm8tbr | ShadowJK: I read somewhere that MS actually said that those high class cards were crap for their random access needs as they were very optimized for linear access | 16:43 |
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| ShadowJK | If manufacturer has used dual-channel technologies (think like raid0...), then it just gets slower for random access | 16:43 |
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| Khertan | i think that my class 2 card explain why i got some strange reboot when i put swap on it :) | 17:03 |
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| gisell | hi? | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | rawr | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | brrrrhhhh cold | 17:05 |
| gisell | oh | 17:05 |
| gisell | who are you? | 17:05 |
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| Myrtti | huh? | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | I'm Cosmo and that with Myrtti | 17:06 |
| gisell | oh i m gisell | 17:07 |
| gisell | what are you doing? | 17:07 |
| Myrtti | gisell: well, we are chatting. | 17:08 |
| gisell | i know | 17:09 |
| gisell | im not useless | 17:09 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm gonna look for my motivation and then write a report | 17:09 |
| gisell | ok | 17:09 |
| gisell | ok | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | gisell: so what are you doing then? | 17:10 |
| gisell | im.... chatting in my house | 17:11 |
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| Myrtti | right | 17:12 |
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| gisell | right | 17:12 |
| gisell | this is..... | 17:12 |
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| Myrtti | ...MeeGo IRC channel on freenode? | 17:13 |
| gisell | what? | 17:13 |
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| Myrtti | MeeGo IRC channel on freenode. | 17:13 |
| Chani | damn. I just turned a slice of cheese into plastic | 17:13 |
| Chani | german cheese slices do *not* like being griled | 17:14 |
| gisell | what?where?how? | 17:14 |
| w00t | Chani: so you're like the jesus of cheeses? | 17:14 |
| Myrtti | cheesus | 17:14 |
| Robot101 | Chani: in my family we just call that plastic cheese | 17:14 |
| Chani | instead of melting, it rose up into a stange dome shape | 17:14 |
| w00t | hahaha | 17:14 |
| w00t | Myrtti: ++ | 17:14 |
| Chani | then deflated. | 17:14 |
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| gisell | wow | 17:14 |
| Chani | now it's hard and smooth, exactly like plastic | 17:14 |
| tybollt | mytti-- | 17:14 |
| Chani | hahaha | 17:14 |
| gisell | haha | 17:15 |
| DesktopMa | if it's like plastic for more than four hours call your doctor | 17:15 |
| tybollt | Chani: My guess is you found some kind of diet low fat cheese | 17:15 |
| * Chani hadn't realized this stuff was so bad. it doesn't *taste* like plastic... not like kraft 'cheese' slices do... | 17:15 | |
| Myrtti | awwwwww :-< tybollt, it was the obvious pun waiting to be made | 17:15 |
| tybollt | Chani: proper cheese is high on fat -> melts easily | 17:15 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: Well I'll agree on that :) | 17:15 |
| Robot101 | tybollt: yeah you're right - only low fat cheese is so terrible | 17:15 |
| gisell | Are you playing.....chess? | 17:15 |
| gisell | it's boring | 17:16 |
| Myrtti | I feel like we're being played Turing machine test | 17:16 |
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| gisell | ah | 17:16 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: after all you are a LISA aren't you :) | 17:17 |
| tybollt | ehr | 17:17 |
| tybollt | whatever :) | 17:17 |
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| Myrtti | damn you Chani, now I want some cheese too | 17:18 |
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| gisell | bah the cheese it's bad | 17:19 |
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| dm8tbr | which reminds me to plan my way home via 'Duo' | 17:19 |
| dm8tbr | thanks whoever operates chanserv ;) | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | me. | 17:19 |
| Chani | oh god | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | Bot began to be a bit boring ;) | 17:19 |
| Chani | pete *ate* it | 17:19 |
| Myrtti | thanks | 17:20 |
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| Myrtti | no offense to Guadalinex users but if it really is a bot it sure is convincing one | 17:20 |
| CosmoHill | gisell is a bot? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | that, or a guadalinex user. | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | the jury hasn't yet reached a verdict | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | if he drowns, he's a guadalinex user, if he doesn't he's a bot and we should burn him | 17:22 |
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| Myrtti | UAHAHAHAHAHA http://twitter.com/mikkohypponen/status/8178608480718848 | 17:24 |
| CosmoHill | what's SCADA? | 17:25 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, yes SCADA, always good for a laugh :D | 17:26 |
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| * w00t used to work with SCADA | 17:26 | |
| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: industrial automation et al. | 17:26 |
| dm8tbr | heard of stuxnet? Siemens SCADA systems were the target | 17:27 |
| w00t | "we can't find this memory leak so let's just reboot the systems every week" was around the time I started getting depressed with that career choice | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | oh my | 17:27 |
| dm8tbr | they couldn't find an even dirtier fix involving sacrificing a goat to avoid the reboot? because you know never shut down a system... | 17:27 |
| Myrtti | dm8tbr: that's a myth that started with COLOSSUS ;-) | 17:28 |
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| CosmoHill | Myrtti: did the bot just pm you? | 17:28 |
| pupnik_ | Myrtti: if you're in US - this is must-try-cheese http://www.shop.specialtycheese.com/product.sc?productId=5&categoryId=20 | 17:28 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: no | 17:28 |
| tybollt | Myrtti: I kind of fancy Kaffeost - how about you? :) | 17:29 |
| Myrtti | pupnik_: ah, I'm in Finland but I've got some nice UK cheddar | 17:29 |
| pupnik_ | sorry to hear it Myrtti ;) | 17:29 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I'd rather not wear these itchy leggings | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | but alas I have to brave the outdoors soon | 17:30 |
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| pupnik_ | How have the temperatures been so far | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | pupnik_: did you hear, we're all gonna die | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | -10 right now but it's going *down* | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | cos nobody has been taught how to handle a car in a skid | 17:31 |
| * CosmoHill is just talking about the UK | 17:31 | |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: http://randomfunnypicture.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meanwhile-in-finland.jpg | 17:32 |
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| pupnik | Let's write car navigation for MeeGo and nobody needs to be designated driver anymore. | 17:32 |
| CosmoHill | rofl | 17:32 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: do you know why he's only in a vest? because he's all hot from digging it out | 17:34 |
| * dm8tbr likes the nice cold weather | 17:34 | |
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| Myrtti | dm8tbr: I like it too. There's only two things I don't like about winter. Slippery roads and having hives due to the cold | 17:35 |
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| dm8tbr | Myrtti: yes, so far the roads are well prepared here in herwood | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | anyone know how to list dependencies for a package using zypper | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | I've tried to avoid them, which is why I've cut down my intake of Jalopeno and Selvi iskenders. | 17:36 |
| lcuk | zypper info [package] doesnt seem to show them | 17:36 |
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| dm8tbr | anyway, now I'm really heading for Duo and I bet just because Myrtti mentioned it it will be slippery. ;-p | 17:37 |
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| X-Fade | That peer guy is doing it again.... | 17:37 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Closing all these connections :) | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | oh I see | 17:38 |
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| Myrtti | right, nice weekend everyone | 17:42 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi (bry) | 17:47 |
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| erani | does there exist any hotkey by default to bring out the zone selection applet? | 17:52 |
| erani | like alt+tab | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | shit | 17:53 |
| ColKilkenny | happens | 17:53 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, FYI filed http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10540 . Feel free to CC | 18:09 |
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| niala | morinig | 18:15 |
| niala | morning | 18:15 |
| lcuk | thanks andre__ voted for it also | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | (assume that gets me on the cc list) | 18:16 |
| andre__ | ah. thanks. couldn't find your email address, wanted to CC you :) | 18:16 |
| andre__ | ah, the private one | 18:16 |
| lcuk | hm? | 18:17 |
| andre__ | i tried to CC you by using your work address, but that one is not in bugzilla | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | okay my prime number checker works as long as you don't give it an even number | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | andre__, i created meego user account under liquid@gmail.com - basically reproduced same as maemo credentials | 18:18 |
| dm8tbr | erani: the 'windows' key? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | andre__, but i thought the bugtracker wouldnt mind unregistered addresses | 18:19 |
| lcuk | ie my collabora.co.uk account should have worked? | 18:19 |
| andre__ | no | 18:19 |
| andre__ | I can't spam by adding a bunch of unregistered addresses to the CC list :-P | 18:19 |
| lcuk | shame :P | 18:19 |
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| erani | dm8tbr: err, sorry, I meant zones app :) | 18:20 |
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| dm8tbr | no idea then | 18:21 |
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| jgrr__ | hi, anyone had any wifi problems after installing the latest updates on the ideabook? | 18:38 |
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| jgrr__ | I cannot see any wifi channels anymore | 18:39 |
| fcrozat | which chipset for wifi on your ideapad ? | 18:40 |
| jgrr__ | if I type ifconfig, I can see eth0 and l0, but no longer eth1 that I used to have | 18:40 |
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| jgrr__ | fcrozat, I have broadcom | 18:40 |
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| fcrozat | (I have atheros) I'm not sure where the driver for broadcom is located on the usb stick we used | 18:41 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: Is your battery reporting correctly? | 18:41 |
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| jgrr__ | fiferbo, yes | 18:41 |
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| jgrr__ | I had the battery and the wifi hotkey problem earlier, this is not it | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | I had problems with my wifi and battery reporting, had to pull the battery and reset bios | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: Have you reinstalled the broadcom module? | 18:42 |
| Jay_BEE | good (UGT) morning | 18:42 |
| spyro | anyone else having suspend/resume issues with the ideapad? | 18:42 |
| spyro | mine will sleep and resume once, then never again. | 18:42 |
| jgrr__ | fiferboy, no | 18:42 |
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| jgrr__ | spyro: I have the problem all the time | 18:43 |
| jgrr__ | fortunately it | 18:43 |
| jgrr__ | its fast to boot | 18:43 |
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| spyro | it is quick to boot :) | 18:43 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: You can grab it from the community repo, put it on USB and install it | 18:44 |
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| jgrr__ | fiferboy: so you need to do it every time you upgrade the kernel? | 18:45 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: For broadcom and kernel updates, yes | 18:45 |
| fiferboy | At least until there is an opensource version (which I heard rumour of but wouldn't hold my breath) | 18:45 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy. | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Pardon? | 18:46 |
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| GAN900 | Hello. :) | 18:47 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: Oh. Hello! | 18:47 |
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| jgrr__ | fiferboy: thank you | 18:48 |
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| jgrr__ | by the way, why do you need to use usb for installing the package? | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: Just assuming you don't have any connection on your IdeaPad ;) | 18:49 |
| fiferboy | jgrr__: You can put it on there any way you want | 18:49 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: I can't understand simple greetings the first time around | 18:49 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 19:00 |
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| slaine | Hey CosmoHill | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | my prime number tester was outwitted by evens :o | 19:01 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, but you understand the Irish perfectly. | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | "Morning!" | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | "What?" | 19:06 |
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| fiferboy | I /thought/ I understood them... | 19:06 |
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| fiferboy | GAN900: To be fair I was usually good after the greetings | 19:08 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | Calibrating... Calibrating... | 19:18 |
| fiferboy | Listen, we can all be nearly perfect automatons | 19:18 |
| GAN900 | Nearly?! | 19:18 |
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| fiferboy | Well, you do like the Rays | 19:24 |
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| GAN900 | Ehehe | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | C'mon, it's not the Yankees! | 19:26 |
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| jgrr__ | fiferboy, thank you for the tips | 19:34 |
| jgrr__ | it seems that you need to rebuild the packages from slaine | 19:35 |
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| jgrr__ | thanks to slaine too for providing the kernel module source :) | 19:38 |
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| Khertan | Does sshd is working on meego throught wifi ? | 20:44 |
| Khertan | i cannot connect with my desktop | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | should | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | on n900 at least | 20:45 |
| Khertan | ah hum ... in fact ping report me unreachable network | 20:46 |
| Khertan | got some problem so | 20:46 |
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| Khertan | hum ... strange ... wifi seems not working | 20:47 |
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| Khertan | wifi isn't working | 20:49 |
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| Khertan | hum ... will wait next release to try my pyside apps :) | 20:49 |
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| marnanel | I have a Qt Maemo application which pops up a help window. Under Maemo this is a stacked window. Under MeeGo it works, but you see the transition as if it was to a new application. Is this the most sensible way of doing things, or is there some replacement for the concept of stacked windows that I'm not aware of? | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: wifi should work, odd | 20:57 |
| imntreal | Hi. I'm trying to build some MeeGo packages on fedora, but I've run into a bit of a snag with the libmeegotouch package, and was hoping someone could help me figure out where a change needs to go to make it buildable | 20:58 |
| imntreal | I think all I need to do is add a -lrt to the g++ -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-O1 -o widgetsgallery line, but as I'm not farmiliar with qmake, I'm not sure where the change needs to go | 21:00 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps, phone and sms is working :) | 21:06 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, 1032 packets transmitted, 6 received, +270 errors, 99% packet loss, time 1036286ms | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: looks bad | 21:07 |
| Khertan | yep | 21:07 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps, what is strange is that 6 packet got answer :) | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | what version did you try? | 21:09 |
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| Khertan | hum let me check | 21:11 |
| Khertan | file:///home/khertan/Desktop/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-demo-1.1.0.0.20101109.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | 21:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, thanks | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | we had a rare problem that showed by network traffic being .. really slow | 21:14 |
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| Sage | Anyone having issues with the touchscreen on ideapad s10-3t? Mine just stopped working :P | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe it's same cause as why we lose TS at times on n900 | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | check 'xinput' output | 22:54 |
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| adeus | today I learned that meego-im-uiserver doesn't use X events for the touch stuff | 23:03 |
| adeus | so be aware :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | is that good or bad? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| adeus | well if you assume it would, you'de wrong | 23:05 |
| adeus | things like testing that I do kinda assume it does | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | i guess if we're switching to wayland at some point, less reliance on x11 might be good | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk et lbt, have you two seen russel's howard's good news? | 23:07 |
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| adeus | Stskeeps, did you see the "gtk inside a browser demo" | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | adeus: is that another stage of toolkit death? | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:15 |
| adeus | http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/23/gtk3-vs-html5/ | 23:15 |
| adeus | ^ that | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, saw that | 23:16 |
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| adeus | from a test tool perspective, that kind of stuff is really interesting :) | 23:18 |
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| gebi | hi all :) | 23:25 |
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| gebi | does meego support umts modems? | 23:27 |
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| gebi | i've just connected a zte 112, but beside the normal dmesg output (about new gsm modem on /dev/ttyUSB0,1,2) nothing happens | 23:28 |
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| wazd | hello all :) | 23:37 |
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| fiferboy | Hey wazd | 23:38 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: heya, how was your trip back home? :) | 23:43 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Good. My extra days in Wales were fun, and security didn't even look at me in the airport | 23:43 |
| wazd | fiferboy orly :) | 23:44 |
| fiferboy | wazd: What about you | 23:44 |
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| gebi | any ideas how to enable umts support in meego? | 23:44 |
| wazd | fiferboy: French dudes had many questions about my duty free booze | 23:45 |
| wazd | fiferboy: in french | 23:45 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: Nice | 23:45 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: and as always, I had like 30 minutes for transfer :) | 23:45 |
| wazd | fiferboy: luckly, I knew like 5 words in french so I was able to explain my difficult situation to them :) | 23:46 |
| wazd | fiferboy: so basicaly the flight was really boring if you'll compare it to Moscow-Dublin trip :D | 23:47 |
| fiferboy | Boring is good | 23:47 |
| wazd | fiferboy: now looking for some spare n900 screen :) | 23:48 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Ah yes, I heard about your screen failure | 23:48 |
| GAN900 | Did you spill your duty free booze on it? | 23:48 |
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| wazd | GAN900: nah, I actually broke it somehow while sitting and talking with you guys :D | 23:49 |
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| wazd | GAN900: or while playing werewolf | 23:49 |
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| wazd | GAN900: in fact the only thing that's broken is the screen itself. Case has no scratches or cracks, you can't see if the screen is broken without powering it on, touchscreen works just fine | 23:51 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: Maybe it took a high-powered ping-pong ball | 23:51 |
| wazd | So I guess it's just a karma case, I had to give something back for all the fun I got :) | 23:52 |
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