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| villev | this is the place to beg for community obs accounts? | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | yes | 00:05 |
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| villev | ok, I need to enable my "vivainio" account there. I plan to package some software | 00:06 |
| villev | for netbook initially | 00:06 |
| villev | lbt: so when you unidle ^^^^ | 00:06 |
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| lbt | done | 00:08 |
| mikhas | lcuk, marnanel - interesting VKB stuff | 00:08 |
| marnanel | thanks | 00:08 |
| villev | nice | 00:09 |
| mikhas | timeless had a good point though - only need to increase hit area | 00:09 |
| mikhas | and *maybe* a graphical cue, like a glow effect? | 00:09 |
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| sabotage | arjan... any clues as to why kernel-mid went from version 2.6.35.3-12.1 to 2.6.35.3-6.1 between last week (11/16) and yesterday (11/23)? | 00:12 |
| marnanel | you're right, but that would be really hard to show on a web page | 00:12 |
| sabotage | it really screws with updates | 00:12 |
| marnanel | mikhas: so I'm representing that by the sizes of the buttons | 00:12 |
| marnanel | mikhas: I like the idea of the glow effect | 00:12 |
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| * marnanel watches the logs and considers whether I should have made it do something unusual when people type in obscenities :) | 00:13 | |
| mikhas | har | 00:13 |
| prometoys | hi, is there a new users wikipage or so for meego? | 00:14 |
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| ali1234 | marnanel: i don't get it, why do the letters keep changing size? it's confusing? | 00:15 |
| marnanel | ali1234: it represents the strike zone changing size | 00:16 |
| marnanel | ali1234: the more likely the letter, the larger the strike zone | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | so in a real app the letters wouldn't actually change size? | 00:16 |
| philipp64|laptop | dumb question for you all... we're bringing up a platform with meego 1.1 based on an i686 derivative. we have a Gstreamer plugin that can do hardware accelerated compression. | 00:18 |
| prometoys | are there any additional repositories for meego? like "extras"? cant find much stuff in default repos | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | i can see it being useful to improve accuracy if the user hits between two keys... then you can "guess" what they meant by taking the most weighted key | 00:19 |
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| ali1234 | but having the letters keep changing on a real device would just be annoying i think | 00:19 |
| philipp64|laptop | I had originally planned on capturing a raw frame-grab from the video camera, and compressing it offline using ffmpeg+libx264, but now I'm being told we won't be getting accelerated libx264 from the processor vendor... just gstreamer plugins. | 00:19 |
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| philipp64|laptop | the questions is, what's the best strategy for capturing and compressing video (either real-time or not)... given that h/w accelerated gstreamer is all I have to play with? | 00:20 |
| thp | prometoys: there's stuff that is built in the community obs, apparently. didn't really have a look yet, though | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | thing is, when i'm typing, i'm already lining up the next key press before i finish the current one | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | so if the next letter moves or changes as a result of current key press, i will get confused | 00:21 |
| prometoys | thp: thanks, do you know the url or a guide? | 00:23 |
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| marnanel | ali1234: yeah, the letters don't change size on a real device. | 00:23 |
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| ali1234 | actually your video gives me an idea... what if we apply the same thing to a musical keyboard? | 00:26 |
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| marnanel | sounds fun! | 00:28 |
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| ali1234 | anyone could play improvised jazz solos just by noodling around and never go out of key :) | 00:28 |
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| sabotage | aha! | 00:30 |
| sabotage | peter forked kernel-mid to it's own package, causing the build count number to be reset | 00:30 |
| sabotage | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2010-November/008910.html | 00:31 |
| sabotage | :/ | 00:31 |
| sabotage | bloody brilliant! | 00:32 |
| thp | prometoys: no, sorry. staying in ubuntu for most of the time on the ideapad.. more -dev packages there, it seems :p | 00:32 |
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| ali1234 | anybody working on ideapad accelerometer? i kind of wish i hadn't wiped the windows install so i could figure out how it works | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, is there more discussion that could go onto the wiki? | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | i have added the prototypes but not any of the talking thats going on behind it | 01:17 |
| mortenmj | i think the instructions to install meego in n900 are incomplete. it asks to use a file without ever mentioning where that file comes from | 01:17 |
| mortenmj | http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 01:17 |
| marnanel | lcuk: I don't think so. it's mostly just been me writing prototypes today | 01:18 |
| mortenmj | we extract meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2, which of course unpacks as meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw | 01:18 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, the data for that page afaik comes from: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 01:18 |
| lcuk | check that that page is correct and if not it should be changed and then we can get the clean page updated after that? | 01:19 |
| mortenmj | then suddenly, in the next section, we're using a file named meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-vmlinuz-*-n900, which no explanation as to where we'd get that file | 01:19 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: will do | 01:19 |
| lcuk | marnanel, I noticed on the youtube link the description indicates discussion went on at collabora (missed that on my work chan?) | 01:20 |
| marnanel | lcuk: mostly when I showed people the original n-gram thing and people started discussing it | 01:21 |
| marnanel | lcuk: it was where the idea of using dasher came from | 01:21 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: same problem. suddenly, we magically have a kernel file. it does explain that this file is found in the raw image, which is at least slightly better | 01:21 |
| lcuk | marnanel, yeah I saw the awesomes and things from folks :D | 01:21 |
| marnanel | :) | 01:21 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, then have a go at wording it with inclusion of the kernel? | 01:22 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: i will | 01:22 |
| mikhas | the nice thing about a wiki ... damn, forgot ... what was the nice thing about wikis again? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | meta: having two completely different conversations with "m" named nicknames in the same channel is confusing as hell | 01:22 |
| lcuk | s/two/three/ | 01:23 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: meta: having three completely different conversations with "m" named nicknames in the same channel is confusing as hell | 01:23 |
| mikhas | having error correction that turn lcuk into luck is no fun either | 01:23 |
| lcuk | mikhas, its good for making notes | 01:23 |
| lcuk | I kinda liked having a bit of luck at the conf :) | 01:23 |
| lcuk | but I was glad I got to be myself eventually :) | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, hush. | 01:24 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: ah, correction: it's provided in the same *place* as the raw image | 01:24 |
| mortenmj | will include | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | mortenmj, great | 01:24 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, worst thing, that page has been looked at 70000 times and nobody has mentioned your issue! | 01:25 |
| lcuk | each has found little things themselves tho | 01:25 |
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| * lcuk is forever surprised at how different people focus on different specifics | 01:25 | |
| mortenmj | lcuk: well, it's there but not clear enough. i tend to gloss over things | 01:26 |
| mortenmj | i'm making it clearer | 01:26 |
| mortenmj | and i'm including a link to the download location | 01:26 |
| lcuk | ++ | 01:26 |
| mortenmj | i blame the internet for killing my attention span | 01:26 |
| lcuk | indeed :) before the internet I used to go to the library | 01:27 |
| lcuk | and get a bunch of books out and study them | 01:27 |
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| * lcuk must have hired out the book on graphics numerous times | 01:27 | |
| lcuk | last time I visited Manchester Library a couple of months ago, it was closed for refurb! its such a magnificent place | 01:28 |
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| mortenmj | lcuk: i don't think i have the necessary privileges to edit that page | 01:29 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, the wiki page is open to all with accounts I am sure? | 01:29 |
| mortenmj | yes, but not http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 01:29 |
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| mortenmj | which was the page i wanted to clarify | 01:30 |
| mikhas | ah yes, that was the best thing about a wiki - everyone can edit it ... not! | 01:31 |
| mikhas | how annoying | 01:31 |
| lcuk | the wiki I pointed to was where the original contents of that page were filled from I believe | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | <lcuk> check that that page is correct and if not it should be changed and then we can get the clean page updated after that? | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | ie fix the wiki which anyone can do and potentially have to file a bug *shock* to change the main one :S | 01:32 |
| lcuk | hmm processes processes | 01:32 |
| mikhas | nice | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | reading that page | 01:33 |
| mikhas | do you also need to file a tracking bug for the orignal update wiki page bug? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | its wrong for the 2gb thing as well | 01:33 |
| lcuk | wiki is updatable by all | 01:33 |
| lcuk | it would be nice if the clean pages were taken/buffered from a specific version of the wiki | 01:33 |
| lcuk | to allow continuation | 01:33 |
| lcuk | until a new integrated version was selected | 01:33 |
| lcuk | if nobody knows the process to get a "real" page updated then I suppose we file bugs? | 01:34 |
| lcuk | i think i need to sleep though | 01:35 |
| mortenmj | sniff sniff | 01:35 |
| mortenmj | i love the smell of unfinished software in the morning | 01:35 |
| mortenmj | this is so unpolished it's making me nostalgic | 01:36 |
| lcuk | unfinished software is fun, its lack of processes to actually allow it to be completed that worries me :P | 01:36 |
| ljp | I guess you love the smell of sourceforge, then :) | 01:36 |
| mortenmj | do i have to run this flasher every time i want to boot meego, unless i put it on the phone itself? | 01:37 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: what do you mean by lack of processes? | 01:39 |
| lcuk | Page update process. | 01:40 |
| mortenmj | ah, i was talking about meego. i just booted it on my n900 | 01:40 |
| mortenmj | and it does...nothing | 01:40 |
| mortenmj | zip nada zilch | 01:40 |
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| mortenmj | and dispite that it's kinda slow | 01:41 |
| mortenmj | but no worries. we'll get there | 01:42 |
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| ali1234 | does anyone know what accelerometer chips actually look like? | 01:44 |
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| mortenmj | sure. like any other IC | 01:45 |
| ali1234 | approx number of legs? | 01:45 |
| mortenmj | how many accelerometers would you like in your IC? | 01:45 |
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| mortenmj | 3 is often a good choice, giving you sensor data about all three axis | 01:46 |
| ali1234 | usually they are i2c | 01:47 |
| mortenmj | i think you misunderstand. IC = integrated circuit | 01:47 |
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| mortenmj | I2C, inter-integrated circuit, is a protocol for communicating between ICs | 01:48 |
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| mortenmj | depending on what you're gonna do, i'd just as well go for an IMU. gives you three accelerometers, a gyro and possibly a compass in one package. costs more than buying separate ICs, but saves you about a manyear of work | 01:49 |
| mortenmj | at least if the trials and tribulations at my university's electronics workshop are any indicator | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | i'm trying to identify the accelerometer chip on the ideapad motherboard | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | but i don't know what it looks like | 01:49 |
| ali1234 | so i have to google every chip to see what it does :( | 01:49 |
| mortenmj | there's usually some identifying info printed on each IC | 01:50 |
| mortenmj | though keep in mind it could be integrated with another IC | 01:50 |
| mortenmj | for example, the N900 uses a snapdragon system-on-chip which includes an ARM v7, cellular modem core, GPS core, GPU core and more in one chip | 01:51 |
| mortenmj | might have the IMU in the same package as well for all i know | 01:52 |
| Saviq | ali1234: have you tried to look for any teardowns of the ideapad? | 01:52 |
| ali1234 | yes, i didn't find any | 01:52 |
| ali1234 | putting this thing back together is going to be... fun | 01:52 |
| mortenmj | care to take some pictures while you're at it? | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:03 |
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| ali1234 | i think it's in the screen part :( | 02:07 |
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| sivang | anybody knows of a good web scoring/ survey system ? | 02:43 |
| sivang | I want to use it as a backend to a qt app | 02:43 |
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| julienf | sivang: thinking of something like that: http://www.surveygizmo.com/survey-support/tutorials/online-survey-api-integration-cms-intranet/ ? | 02:52 |
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| drizztbsd | hi | 03:07 |
| drizztbsd | when will meego tv be ready? | 03:07 |
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| julienf | drizztbsd: it's on the way, Amino has been working on it and contributing. | 03:24 |
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| drizztbsd | I know, for cubovision | 03:25 |
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| Jay_BEE | howdy | 04:45 |
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| AstralStorm | people, anything that will keep n810 more alive than diablo, which is dead? | 05:01 |
| Jay_BEE | there was some activity in the handset forum regarding meego on the n810 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=317 | 05:05 |
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| ali1234 | http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ideapad/20101125_020.jpg | 05:20 |
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| pupnik | what is that | 05:23 |
| ali1234 | an ideapad | 05:24 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure the chip labelled 34AL 2027 J9DHX is the accelerometer | 05:25 |
| pupnik | sigh | 05:25 |
| pupnik | why you do this ali1234 | 05:25 |
| ali1234 | relax i already rebuilt it | 05:25 |
| Jay_BEE | heh | 05:25 |
| ali1234 | anyway that chip has the same outline as the thinkpad accelerometer, which has a driver | 05:26 |
| ali1234 | but it is an analogue part, sampled through the system sensors (like a themometer on a normal PC) | 05:26 |
| ali1234 | it's right next to the chip that does that stuff too | 05:27 |
| ali1234 | but apparently the thinkpad driver is known not to work with the ideapad series | 05:27 |
| ali1234 | rest of pictures are here anyway: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ideapad/ | 05:29 |
| * bef0rd clicks | 05:29 | |
| pupnik | well it is nice to see | 05:29 |
| pupnik | i just would feel shy about messing with someone elses stuff | 05:29 |
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| ali1234 | there is not much interesting to see inside it, everything you need is accessable from the bottom plate | 05:32 |
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| ali1234 | except maybe the bluetooth | 05:32 |
| ali1234 | which i forgot to put back in the first time i reassembled it | 05:32 |
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| ali1234 | the only tricky part is realising you have to remove the screen first, then the top bezel (black part), then the keyboard | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | hm | 05:40 |
| pupnik | ali1234: the pandora guys have me pulling my hair out | 05:40 |
| pupnik | snes9x at full speed | 05:41 |
| ali1234 | well you already know what i think about that... no xorg... no pulseaudio... | 05:41 |
| pupnik | yeah | 05:41 |
| mortenmj | i booted up meego on my n900 today, and i couldn't do much with it. how can i test my application? | 05:41 |
| mortenmj | i mean, i can run it in an emulated image, but it doesn't feel like a sufficiently thorough test | 05:42 |
| pupnik | well they do have xorg | 05:42 |
| pupnik | mortenmj: copy it to the n900 and test it? | 05:42 |
| mortenmj | pupnik: i could barely get any of the preinstalled apps to run... | 05:42 |
| ali1234 | heh, yeah meego handset is still a bit like that | 05:43 |
| ali1234 | if you write your app using only Qt you can test it on maemo | 05:43 |
| ali1234 | they use the same libs, or similar enough | 05:43 |
| ali1234 | Qt creator has a n900/madde target | 05:43 |
| pupnik | it's hard to be part of a meego community before there is a meego consumer product | 05:44 |
| pupnik | i love these presentatons and ideas about 'connecting people' | 05:44 |
| pupnik | but that's easily said | 05:45 |
| ali1234 | there are meego products | 05:45 |
| mortenmj | heh. unfortunately, if i wait to finish this app until there is a meego consumer product, i'll be way too late to the market | 05:45 |
| pupnik | right | 05:45 |
| ali1234 | just no phones | 05:45 |
| mortenmj | is there a good way to "inject" packages into a raw image, so i can just flash my phone with extra packages preinstalled? | 05:47 |
| ali1234 | you can do that with mic, don't ask me how though | 05:47 |
| mortenmj | or would i have to build my own image completely from source, with a modified package list? | 05:47 |
| ali1234 | you have to edit the .ks file or something | 05:47 |
| mortenmj | ok. not too hard then | 05:47 |
| ali1234 | not from source, but from bin packages yeah | 05:47 |
| ali1234 | the .ks is just the package list and some other stuff | 05:48 |
| mortenmj | right | 05:48 |
| mortenmj | i've built images with mic | 05:48 |
| mortenmj | takes forever, but it should be simpleish | 05:48 |
| mortenmj | famous last words | 05:48 |
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| ali1234 | however if you use madde and maemo it uploads and installs the packages for you | 05:48 |
| ali1234 | deb packages of course | 05:49 |
| mortenmj | maemo uses deb packages? | 05:49 |
| ali1234 | there should be something similar for meego any time now | 05:49 |
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| ali1234 | yes, maemo is deb, meego is rpm | 05:49 |
| mortenmj | i can run stuff on meego with qt creator | 05:49 |
| ali1234 | there was a MASSIVE flamewar about it | 05:49 |
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| mortenmj | but this is already packaged, so it's not what i need | 05:49 |
| ali1234 | perhaps you need OBS then | 05:49 |
| mortenmj | my packages are built with OBS | 05:50 |
| ali1234 | in that case you just need to add your OBS repo to the repos on your device | 05:50 |
| mortenmj | yes. and somehow get it online | 05:50 |
| ali1234 | the device you mean? | 05:50 |
| mortenmj | it shit itself when it found out my wifi is encrypted | 05:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah this could be a problem | 05:51 |
| mortenmj | i'll just fix it later using some open network | 05:51 |
| mortenmj | though it would be nice to have an image i could keep around, with my packages in it | 05:51 |
| ali1234 | meego on n900 had a bug where it always remembered the first wifi ap you put in, could never connect to others | 05:52 |
| ali1234 | watch out for that one :/ | 05:52 |
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| mortenmj | weird | 05:52 |
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| Jay_BEE | re | 07:00 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 07:10 |
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| dm8tbr | 'bry | 07:25 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: bry | 07:41 |
| Mat_Matan | :) | 07:41 |
| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: jesteś system czy app developerem | 07:42 |
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| dm8tbr | Mat_Matan: ja z programowaniem mało mam doczynienia. aktualnie pandą się bawię | 07:44 |
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| iekku | english please? | 07:48 |
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| dm8tbr | huomenta iekku :) | 07:51 |
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| Mat_Matan | iekku: Ну, это английский язык? :P | 07:54 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: panda? | 07:57 |
| dm8tbr | Mat_Matan: pandaboard | 07:58 |
| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: ok | 07:58 |
| dm8tbr | also Archos5IT | 07:58 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: Archos? there would not be an android? | 07:59 |
| iekku | :x | 07:59 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: ok, i can see, it can run other os | 08:00 |
| dm8tbr | Mat_Matan: that's what they put on in factory, but Archos is quite open source friendly for a while. you can install your own zImage/initramfs and have your own rootfs | 08:01 |
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| dm8tbr | I'm currently waiting for an Archos 101 IT | 08:01 |
| dm8tbr | multitouch screen *rrrrrrr* | 08:02 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: I am writing an application on Meego, small messenger for Jabber/XMPP and GG protocols with the function of the received mail information (If you use gtalk) | 08:05 |
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| yctv | Hi there, I am trying out the player(video) example for meego on QtMobility using QVideoWidget. The whole player displays great on meego, but when i try to play a local mp4 file..it gives a gstreamer error : "No URI Set".. anythign that i am missing here? | 08:35 |
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| chriadam | yctv: you could try asking in #qt-mobility | 08:42 |
| yctv | chriadam: thanks , ill do that then | 08:43 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Are there any extended-life batteries for N900? I haven't found one yet. | 09:16 |
| Aard | Alison_Chaiken: there are 3rd party batteries | 09:18 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Aard, I found 3rd party batteries with same capacity but not bigger ones. For my HTC G1, I have an amazin' 3 mA-hr battery. | 09:19 |
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| Aard | Alison_Chaiken: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 09:20 |
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| dm8tbr | 3mA? that would be gone in <1min I'd guess :) | 09:20 |
| Alison_Chaiken | dm8tbr, you're right, I meant 3 A-hr. Thanks Aard for the link! If I buy that battery, I'm sure I'll immediately lose the phone of course. | 09:21 |
| lassemon | hi guys. Could anyone direct me to a tutorial or an example .yaml file for MeeGo 1.1 netbook packaging purposes? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | lassemon: wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial | 09:22 |
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| lassemon | Stskeeps: thx, I was just about to write that that one already found :) I'm looking for netbook specific instructions for the yaml file, since I don't yet understand the process properly | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | you should need to have netbook specific stuff :) build towards meego core | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | http://snap.sonydeveloper.com/pages/about/ <- i wonder if sony is high | 09:26 |
| lassemon | mmyeah, that's my ultimate goal ofcourse, but right now I'm doind something wrong because after creating and installing with zypper an rpm package to MeeGo, the statement is plainly 'Illegal instruction' | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | lassemon: on a SSSE3 machine? | 09:27 |
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| lassemon | Stskeeps: hmm, good question, how would I find out for sure? It's a Dell laptop | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 09:28 |
| Bostik | 'flags' line, in particular | 09:29 |
| lassemon | there are flags: ss, sse and sse2 | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | not good enough then and probably why you have issues :/ | 09:30 |
| lassemon | mmh, I see | 09:31 |
| lassemon | how come MeeGo install on the device then? | 09:31 |
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| lassemon | *installs | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | because ssse3 isn't used everywhere | 09:31 |
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| lassemon | how would you create a package for a MeeGo not running on ssse3? | 09:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 09:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | are there any "how to read a shell script" howtos floating around? | 09:38 |
| * timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how to respond to http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/issues/detail?id=56 | 09:38 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: help? :) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 09:41 |
| Bostik | that patch of yours is indeed complete no-op | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: why? | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i tried it | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it worked | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o it, it doesn't work | 09:42 |
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| Bostik | but what part of the whole script actually creates the target directory? | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | none, that isn't relevant | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | assume the directory exists | 09:43 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp: because your change does not change the behaviour of the code | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ true || echo 1; echo 2 | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ false || echo 1; echo 2 | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 1 | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 | 09:44 |
| timeless_mbp | why do you think the code would want to echo 2 in the first case? | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (not the above, the code i'm patching) | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (remember that the real code uses 'exit 1' not 'echo 2', and has code *after* exit) | 09:45 |
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| Bostik | because you can rewrite the first case as (true || echo 1); THEN ALWAYS echo 2 | 09:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: read the code | 09:46 |
| timeless_mbp | 'echo 2' in the real code is 'exit 1' | 09:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's code *after* it | 09:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | (true || echo 1); THEN ALWAYS exit 1; THEN NEVER REACH INTERESTING STUFF HERE | 09:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: conclusion: shell scripting is too hard for people | 09:47 |
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| Bostik | yes, exit breaks out of the script entirely - and the original code can be read as "test for directory build/${CONFIGURATION}; if found, go on; if not, complain and stop" | 09:49 |
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| Bostik | if that evaluation for some reason behaves differently between shell implementations, I'd be worried | 09:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865228 | 09:52 |
| Bostik | oooohhh, wait a minute... | 09:52 |
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| Bostik | of course | 09:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bostik: since this is clearly complicated, do you have a gcode account | 09:53 |
| Bostik | "test || echo" is evaluated as a single condition, the part after semicolon is executed after eval | 09:53 |
| timeless_mbp | because i don't feel like trying to explain it to this guy | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | just as i couldn't figure out how to explain it to you | 09:54 |
| Bostik | shouldn't read this kind of stuff until properly awake | 09:54 |
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| Bostik | "see if there is an expected directory OR complain"; exit 1 | 09:55 |
| Bostik | in short | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | well yeah | 09:55 |
| Bostik | sorry :/ | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it's ok | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you're doing the same thing the author did | 09:55 |
| thiago_home | you mean "compland and exit 1" | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and the same thing he did | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but i need someone who can somehow avoid the gut reaction "it's doing the right thing" | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: the key is that it exits unconditionally | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | this seems to be an order of operations thing which is too complicated for everyone | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | all scripts must end | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: sure | 09:56 |
| thiago_home | but exit 1 indicates error, so it mustn't be unconditional | 09:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but there's code *after* the unconditional exit | 09:56 |
| Bostik | yeah, the script evaluates the truthfulness between a test condition and an echo | 09:57 |
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| Bostik | then, regardless of the evaluation result, exits | 09:57 |
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| Bostik | if dir exists: test fails, script complains, script exist | 09:58 |
| thiago_home | regardless, it exits *with* *error* | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: right, but how do i explain it to someone else | 09:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i know what it does | 09:58 |
| thiago_home | Bostik: the code after that exit, is it just junk? | 09:59 |
| Bostik | timeless's fix is indeed the correct one, one-liner doesn't scope the final exit on the same level as the echoing of the message | 09:59 |
| Bostik | thiago_home: no, it's the actual binary install stage as far as I understand | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 09:59 |
| thiago_home | ah, shar-style package | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | (kinda important...) | 09:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: i'm tempted to quote this from BASH(1) | 10:00 |
| * thiago_home points out that GNU tar is packaged with shar and gzip is delivered uncompressed | 10:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | Lists | 10:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | Of these list operators, && and || have equal precedence, followed by ; and &, which | 10:00 |
| timeless_mbp | have equal precedence. | 10:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | but i'm unclear as to whether that's likely to work | 10:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | given that the commenter didn't get it from the patch | 10:01 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, forget unclear, try "highly doubtful" | 10:01 |
| thiago_home | i think { } is what he's looking for | 10:01 |
| thiago_home | test -d dirname || { echo You fail; exit 1; } | 10:01 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: that'd presumably work | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | my patch uses if then fi form | 10:02 |
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| Bostik | ah yes, {} was the scoping without subshell | 10:04 |
| thiago_home | it's a subshell | 10:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | { list; } | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | list is simply executed in the current shell environment. | 10:04 |
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| thiago_home | ok, current :-) | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 10:04 |
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| Bostik | (command1; comm2; ...) is a subshell, I believe :) | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, all you guys have proven is that average people have *no* idea how scripting works ;-) | 10:05 |
| Bostik | correct | 10:05 |
| * thiago_home usually avoids setting variables in any kind of sub-structure | 10:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: this code doesn't even do that :) | 10:05 |
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| thiago_home | I know, but I've been bitten by that | 10:06 |
| thiago_home | something | while condition; do export VAR=value; done; echo $VAR | 10:06 |
| thiago_home | it doesn't always show "value" even if the loop was executed | 10:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | fun | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: so, what's the most reasonable approach to answer the guy's question? | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i could point him to this irc log, but that seems like a bad idea | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i could quote the sections of the man page i've quoted here, but, i don't expect that'll work well | 10:08 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp: "if you want to do this as a one-liner, use 'test || { echo ; exit }'; my version simply keeps the conditional execution block more readable" | 10:08 |
| Bostik | "as the code now stands, it runs 'exit 1' regardless of the return values of the first two commands" | 10:09 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i could write that, but what part of it will get him to realize that the current code isn't correct? | 10:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | (Sorry written in reply to the first line) | 10:09 |
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| Bostik | he probably understands C, so you could write his original version in "pseudo-C" (with indentation to help readability) which shows how the original code behaves :) | 10:14 |
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| lbt | dneary: ping | 10:15 |
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| dneary | lbt, Pong? | 10:16 |
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| Termana | morning | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | morning | 10:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bostik: tempting | 10:23 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 10:50 |
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| khertan_ | Morning all | 11:04 |
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| lcuk | morning khertan_ | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:10 |
| gwd` | Hello all | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | w00t: Ah, I didn't check DBus; if so - that'd be perfect. | 11:10 |
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| lcuk | hey Jaffa \o | 11:17 |
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| * thiago is now playing with two ideapads | 11:21 | |
| Stskeeps | distributed multitouch time? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | or rather, gesture recognition across multiple displays, not all the same computer | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865317 | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | two player pong? | 11:23 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Oh, lcuk would like that ;) | 11:24 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp: sure, I'll edit a bit if I find spots to do it nicely | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 11:25 |
| lcuk | haha X-Fade | 11:25 |
| lcuk | I have multitouch in mind already :) | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: the problem w/ such bug reports/comments is that i feel like i'm taking a sledge hammer and applying it | 11:25 |
| lcuk | hell, I even know why boobie test fails on things now I have played and seen it working on the ideapad ;) | 11:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | ?? | 11:27 |
| khertan_ | McAfee Security Scan Plus : 1 suspect web site : Meego.com | 11:28 |
| khertan_ | ;) | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | khertan_: i thought intel bought mcafee | 11:28 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, there seems to be an "issue" with the multitouch on the large (20inch) computers and drawing boobies on them highlights it :P | 11:28 |
| lcuk | the ideapad does not exhibit the issue | 11:29 |
| khertan_ | the other question is how this crapware was installed on my wmware | 11:29 |
| lcuk | (test in win7 Paint, just draw a pair of boobies round and round) | 11:29 |
| khertan_ | never installed manually myself | 11:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | khertan_: it comes w/ w7starter on the ideapads... | 11:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: give me a 20" computer to play w/ | 11:30 |
| khertan_ | timeless_mbp, it s on windows xp running with wmware on my pc | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | s/wmware/vmware/ ? | 11:30 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: actually, something mundane as "let's see if the battery problem is the battery or the netbook" | 11:30 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: it's the netbook | 11:30 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp: did a minor edit, otherwise good | 11:31 |
| khertan_ | timeless_mbp, exactly :) | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: i need a new url | 11:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's a pastebin, not a piratepad :) | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: Jaffa suggests that {} is probably not portable shell to shell | 11:31 |
| Bostik | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/865319 | 11:32 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp: very good point | 11:32 |
| lcuk | lol timeless_mbp go to verkkokauppa :P | 11:32 |
| arfoll | lbt , are there problems with public OBS? - [Errno 110] Connection timed out: 'https://api.pub.meego.com/source/home:arfoll:enna' | 11:32 |
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| lcuk | i did :P | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: and draw boobies in public? | 11:32 |
| lcuk | yeah | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:32 |
| lcuk | i left a whole rack of screens with em | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | no pun intended? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:33 |
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| lcuk | are you sure? | 11:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | limit should be 2 | 11:33 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, its related to the sampling resolution of the screen itself | 11:33 |
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| lcuk | seems to be that the larger ones sample slower | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | do you get blocky boobies? | 11:34 |
| lcuk | though, I have heard that the same test on other smaller MT devices might also fail | 11:34 |
| lcuk | you get weird boobies | 11:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | that could be useful | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sp | 11:34 |
| Bostik | timeless_mbp, Jaffa: at least dash seems to croak on {} construct, so that was a good catch | 11:34 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Bostik: csh doesn't approve either | 11:34 |
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| arfoll | lbt, all is working now don't know if you changed anything or if the gods of computing fixed it but cheers :-) | 11:35 |
| stylesen | arfoll: I think the public obs service is discontinued from 27-oct-2010 | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: ouch | 11:35 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, especially bad when playing 2 player games | 11:35 |
| lcuk | like air hockey | 11:35 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 11:35 | |
| arfoll | stylesen, i'm sure *.pub.meego.com is not discontinued | 11:35 |
| lcuk | the ideapad does not exhibit this behaviour though :) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2010/11/digia-ui-running-lenovo-notebook-nokia-n900/ <- i see someone liked the Mer artwork concept | 11:35 |
| stylesen | arfoll: can we register in that? I badly need one! | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:36 |
| * arfoll is wondering what all this boobie testing is | 11:36 | |
| lcuk | arfoll, i just posted a video demonstrating it | 11:36 |
| arfoll | stylesen, ask lbt/X-fade you need your meego account activated | 11:36 |
| arfoll | lcuk, is it work safe? | 11:36 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 11:36 |
| lcuk | its using paint and just involves drawing circles | 11:36 |
| lcuk | there is an alternative parallel lines one, but its less exciting | 11:37 |
| stylesen | lbt_away: X-Fade I would like to have an account in meego OBS | 11:37 |
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| stylesen | lbt_away: X-Fade let me know what should I do in order to get one | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | stylesen: community obs? | 11:37 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, http://liqbase.net/liq.20101123_111740.liqsketchedit.scr.png | 11:37 |
| stylesen | X-Fade: yes! | 11:37 |
| X-Fade | stylesen: What is your meego.com username? | 11:38 |
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| stylesen | I am trying to integrate osc client with madde, hence would like to get an account | 11:38 |
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| stylesen | X-Fade: stylesen | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: heh | 11:38 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey | 11:38 |
| X-Fade | stylesen: Ok, you should be able to login now. | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 looks a bit too tasked | 11:38 |
| arfoll | lcuk, i understand the name.... do many devices manage to pass the test? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if it's meego n900 the drivers are crap, so no surprises.. | 11:39 |
| stylesen | X-Fade: great! what is the url for build, api and repos in this obs instance, or point me to a wiki page | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i couldn't tell if it was maemo or meego | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it was maemo | 11:39 |
| lcuk | arfoll, I have not yet seen a large format device that does pass. | 11:39 |
| X-Fade | stylesen: build.pub.meego.com and api,repo. | 11:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | can one make phone calls with MeeGo on the N900 yet? | 11:39 |
| stylesen | X-Fade: thanks a lot! | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i actually took the airbus back w/ the guy who did that video (ash) | 11:40 |
| arfoll | lcuk, i'm guessing the ipad is the largest device that passes? | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nice guy | 11:40 |
| lcuk | arfoll, which is a problem since, well playing two player games on nice new computer | 11:40 |
| lcuk | arfoll, I do not know | 11:40 |
| lcuk | someone else can check that | 11:40 |
| arfoll | i'm not searching for "boobie" on my work computer... | 11:40 |
| * lcuk has nice meego ideapad to play with :) | 11:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: try "circles" | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: yes, if you're OK with it coming out the speakers. | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: 1.1 does that out of box | 11:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: umm... the speaker_s_? | 11:42 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the digia ux looks pretty | 11:42 |
| lcuk | reminds me of the bubbles I have mentioned in the past | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: left and right | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| lcuk | i wonder what would be required to make it run *happily* on n900 | 11:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: so it is on the loudspeaker all the time...? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | we first have policy framework in 1.2, so | 11:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | so is there a prerelease of 1.2 in which it works ok? | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, i mean, we're in invasive changes phase atm :P | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's amazing the thing can even boot up ;) | 11:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | one more thing I wanted to ask | 11:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bostik: ah, i just noticed 'subtle' at the top | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | good word choice | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | there was a patch to the kernel a few dads ago that improved desktop performance a lot | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | few days* ago | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | has it made it into the MeeGo kernel? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: did it make it into upstream yet is the next question | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | well the news didn't talk about that | 11:49 |
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| Bostik | timeless_mbp: thank you | 11:54 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=2 | 11:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: we did try it on n900 though | 11:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | really? | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | how did it go? | 11:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: at least there was subjective improvement | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | sounds good | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | we need to run a test with high-speed cameras to verify | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, we do that..) | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bostik: thanks for helping | 12:00 |
| Bostik | you're welcome | 12:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: since you are not on #maemo... is there a way to get this into Maemo? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: dunno | 12:02 |
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| sappu | nybody knows how to reset networking in meego | 12:18 |
| sappu | hello | 12:18 |
| sappu | nyone der? | 12:18 |
| gwd` | what do you mean by reset networking ? ifconfig iface up|down ? | 12:20 |
| sappu | ifconfig | 12:21 |
| sappu | no .. i want to reset networking ..it dropps automatically on n900 | 12:21 |
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| sappu | i mean ..reset network manager | 12:22 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 12:22 |
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| zinit | sappu: /etc/init.d/networking restart | 12:38 |
| zinit | restarts all networking services | 12:38 |
| zinit | should work in meego too | 12:38 |
| zinit | (remember sudo in front of you are not root | 12:38 |
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| thiago | there's no network manager in meego | 12:45 |
| thiago | it's connman | 12:45 |
| slaine | thiago: I've a few notes for you after following the tutorial yesterday | 12:45 |
| thiago | good | 12:45 |
| slaine | I'll pass them on later | 12:45 |
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| niala | mmmmm' | 12:50 |
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| Robot101 | anyone see packagekitd crashing on the ideapad? | 13:02 |
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| Robot101 | I can't run the software updater | 13:02 |
| Robot101 | it makes me sad | 13:02 |
| Robot101 | because chromiums renderer keeps crashing | 13:02 |
| thiago | sigbus? | 13:02 |
| Robot101 | segfault | 13:02 |
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| thiago | not the same as mine then | 13:03 |
| Robot101 | oh wait, one segfault, and one sig 6 - is that bus? | 13:03 |
| thiago | 6 is ABRT | 13:03 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, does it crash on startup? because I notice that even after closing and rebooting it wants to restore your tabs | 13:05 |
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| anonimo | hi | 13:17 |
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| anonimo | i installed meego in h p mini but... | 13:18 |
| anonimo | there is not support for my wifi card | 13:18 |
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| anonimo | is posible to try meego tablet now? | 13:21 |
| anonimo | :D | 13:22 |
| anonimo | hello? | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | anonimo, oh cool, where are you getting the meego tablet image from? | 13:22 |
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| anonimo | lcuk, is a question! | 13:23 |
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| anonimo | lcuk, i dont have that image, i just look the video in youtube and I... "wtf" :D | 13:23 |
| lcuk | link? | 13:23 |
| anonimo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0 | 13:24 |
| anonimo | is awesome | 13:24 |
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| lcuk | reasonable enough, i had forgotten about that, if you find the sources let us know :) | 13:27 |
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| anonimo | lcuk me? | 13:28 |
| anonimo | lcuk, i dont have any idea xD | 13:28 |
| anonimo | I thought that may it was posible to try an alpha, like in ubuntu :) | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | anonimo, in an ideal world you could | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | but that tablet demo looks to be ahead of its time, its got a date of 1970 on the video | 13:30 |
| anonimo | ... | 13:31 |
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| arfoll | got to love SOCs without a battery to keep the time... | 13:31 |
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| arfoll | on OBS would it be possible to stop the creation of chroot and everything if the spec mentions source files or patches that don't exist? the osc importsrcpkg unfortunately doesn't add the source/patches so it's really easy to forget and wastes server time | 14:02 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, does the MeeGo_1.0_Core_standard target work? | 14:05 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: I don't remember when I last worked on that. Can be broken. | 14:07 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, I'm getting told "nothing provides liblua" for home home:arfoll:xbmc | 14:08 |
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| Wellark^ | let it stand still on a hot pan for couple of hours or so | 14:13 |
| Wellark^ | tastes like waffles <3 | 14:13 |
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| lundtor | stupid question: how do i download the entire meego 1.1 source so i can build the image myself? I just get pointed to gitorious.org where i can see individual repositories, which is fine, but hot to fetch the entire platform. Android uses repo, but is there such a thing in meego? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | srpms are the thing - but do you really want to recompile the entire thing? | 14:33 |
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| lundtor | yes, as i im trying to port the source to a different platform | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, then you'll want to start with the base packages - out of curiousity, what chipset? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | / architecture | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i work with meego ARM and just did a from-scratch port to hard floating point, so | 14:34 |
| lundtor | im on an arm based architecture, icant say anything else,as im under NDA | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | alright - if it's armv7 and above then it's better to say 'optimize', as that's a lot simpler | 14:36 |
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| lundtor | ok, so optimize :-) dont wanna start war on words | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | optimizing is simple - set up your own OBS, import a meego armv7 release, import all source packages into a OBS project and set up new optimization flags/target in rpmrc | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | and let it build | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | we meego ARM guys work in #meego-arm if you'd like to track our work | 14:37 |
| lundtor | is there a howto on the OBS part? | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i have a small guide, hang on | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lundtor: you will probably need to read the top part of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-porting/2010-November/000077.html down to "* Minimum requirements" as this might affect your work | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | regarding the plans for meego ARM | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | if you want to optimize 1.1, sure, but with 1.2 i'd hold my horses a bit.. | 14:44 |
| lundtor | im still in the dark here, as it seems overly complex to just getting the source itself and building it.. i mean compared to android | 14:44 |
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| lundtor | why is there a need for a virtual machine? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | lundtor: well, this is a package based system - OBS is a builder that takes source packages, builds binary packages | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | when you want to make a image for a device, you can point to a repository with binary packages and build there, no need to recompile every single time | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | build there=build an image using that | 14:45 |
| Bostik | just grab http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ for (core) sources | 14:46 |
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| arfoll | lundtor, it's more complicated than android you're right. But the end result is a full linux distribution | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | in most productization scenarios you don't want to recompile the base system, at least | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | parts, maybe | 14:47 |
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| lundtor | i just need a rookie's approach to getting the software stack and how to build the thing. the description on the site, seems to have an insiders approach, meaning that you should be familiar with the system, before you can get it | 14:49 |
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| slaine | thats probably true though | 14:49 |
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| slaine | I'm not sure it's at a level for a casual approach | 14:50 |
| arfoll | lundtor, maybe you should try out OBS first, then think about porting and making your own | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | lundtor: so, backing up a bit: you intend to build something using the stack or you absolutely need to rebuild the stack? initially, i would start out by just using the binaries from repo.meego.com get used to OBS, then optimization comes next.. | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit hardcore to want to rebuild the entire thing before having tried to make a package for the system :) | 14:51 |
| lundtor | ok.. i cant use a prebuilt image due to some constraints i have in my project. The only approach i have is to be able to build the entire thing.. | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | not even prebuilt binary packages? image you generate yourself usually | 14:52 |
| lundtor | Stskeeps: indeed, but im afraid i dont have that luxury.. The learning curve will be hard, i know | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | so, proposal: set up a OBS, get that running, import a meego release, see if you can build a package against that meego release, then the rest is something you can ask about | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | that's only way to do it | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | it will take about a week to rebuild entire ARMv7 when you don't have many workers. | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | but at least you only have to do it once, not once per every release you make of your own product :P | 14:54 |
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| lundtor | one week?!?! wth? im really surprised | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | lundtor: well, this is a different kind of system :) | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | when you try out the image creator, it's really easy to take the results of those builds (like is published on meego.com) and turn into a product image | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | and even for multiple hw targets | 14:59 |
| slaine | 7 of those days is Qt ;) | 14:59 |
| lundtor | Stskeeps: i will try your quide asap.. is it optimized for a certain linux distribution? | 14:59 |
| arfoll | slaine, and the other 3 is gcc | 14:59 |
| lundtor | i use ubuntu | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | lundtor: i used virtualbox under ubuntu to try it out | 14:59 |
| dm8tbr | the image is suxxe anyway | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | suxxe? | 15:00 |
| slaine | haha | 15:00 |
| dm8tbr | opensuse, isn't it? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, opensuse image | 15:00 |
| dm8tbr | <- went through that guide, it works :) | 15:01 |
| lundtor | dm8tbr: ok | 15:01 |
| dm8tbr | you really really want to make sure about the name resolution stuff | 15:02 |
| dm8tbr | but I guess that's now in the instructions | 15:02 |
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| Stskeeps | lundtor: generally we're happy to help but we may ask you to update wiki info and so on while we help you / guide you, -- means less work for us in the future when someone new with same challenge comes along | 15:02 |
| lundtor | alright. I think now its the time for doing stuff.. otherwise i will get scared sh*tless about the complexity :-) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | besides that - good luck with your adventure :) | 15:03 |
| lundtor | Stskeeps: sure | 15:03 |
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| lundtor | but i somehow understand why android is getting more attention :-) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | meego's new to some extent, but once you see the full picture, it's a really nice way to get to market | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | you can pretty much take a meego release, build some packages for it, customize it a bit, deploy image to device, ship ;) | 15:05 |
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| dm8tbr | the separation of building and filesystem generation is a nice thing | 15:06 |
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| arfoll | lundtor, meego is basically a full linux distribution. And it's way easier than building a full ubuntu from scratch ;-) | 15:06 |
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| * Debolaz is still stuck with ubuntu. | 15:07 | |
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| Debolaz | On my netbook, I would really prefer the MeeGo interface rather than the Ubuntu Unity interface. | 15:08 |
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| khertan_ | Debolaz, hum ... is there a beta release ? something finished of Unity ? | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | I'm running netbook ux in virtualbox and haven't figured out how to do anything useful with it | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | if I click on instant messaging it puts me in the settings dialogue but there are no IM related setings | 15:09 |
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| khertan_ | Debolaz, as screenshot i see of unity look like 2 gnome panel + a launcher | 15:10 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: Unity is the default netbook GUI in the latest Ubuntu release. | 15:11 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: And yes, that's more or less what it looks like. :) | 15:12 |
| Debolaz | Not to mention it's sloooow on my netbook, it requires really beefy hardware to run smoothly. | 15:12 |
| Debolaz | While MeeGo, which has considerably more animations, runs perfectly smooth. | 15:12 |
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| khertan_ | Debolaz, to be honest MeeGo run really well on my n130 too, while it s suffer slow and lag with a Ubuntu | 15:13 |
| khertan_ | Debolaz, but due to the upgrade bug of 1.1 i install a debian squeeze with xfce + tint2 and it s running really well too | 15:14 |
| arfoll | khertan_, you may be interested in running what I do, openbox + tint2 + meego 1.1 | 15:15 |
| Debolaz | I might give xubuntu a try. | 15:15 |
| khertan_ | debian, not xubuntu, or remove some useless things running at session start | 15:16 |
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| Debolaz | I like the "just works" factor of Ubuntu over Debian. But tbh, it's a long time since I've used Debian now, maybe they have improved. | 15:17 |
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| khertan_ | Debolaz, depends what you are looking for | 15:24 |
| khertan_ | Debolaz, but easy install, gnome is the default ui | 15:24 |
| kanavin | lbt, X-Fade : I still can't login to OBS | 15:25 |
| khertan_ | and if you stay to stable repository ... it s really robust | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | kanavin: Can you try now? | 15:26 |
| kanavin | yep, no workee | 15:27 |
| Debolaz | khertan_: There are many small details that are important to the "just works" aspect. But I do believe Debian has become a lot better as a result of the improvements in Ubuntu. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | kanavin: You are trying on build.pub.meego.com, right? | 15:27 |
| kanavin | nope | 15:27 |
| kanavin | build.meego.com, that's what I need | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | kanavin: Then go to your manager. That is not a public obs. | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | kanavin: Access in core OBS goes through your management. | 15:28 |
| kanavin | er, what would my manager do that I can't? | 15:28 |
| khertan_ | Debolaz, you mean by adding useless things that overload the computer ? :) | 15:28 |
| CosmoHill | like a flux capacitor? | 15:29 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: By adding stuff like libnotify. I hate notifications that you must click away, or linger too long because the devs thinks thats okay because they can be clicked away. | 15:29 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: libnotify was a small detail that was a huge step forward. | 15:30 |
| khertan_ | Debolaz, ok i think we have here two different use... for me a ubuntu lambda install, mean that i must take some hours to remove things that i didn't want | 15:31 |
| khertan_ | Debolaz, with debian i only install the core ... the ui is done manually :) | 15:32 |
| khertan_ | X-Fade, the pub meego obs haven't the account of the beta one set before ? | 15:32 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: What about installing ubuntu server and add the UI packages you want on top of that? :) | 15:32 |
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| Debolaz | khertan_: But anyway, when MeeGo gets full disk encryption, I'll definitly try replacing Ubuntu with it. | 15:33 |
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| Juha___ | anybody knows wher I can find info for gpg keys for files.maemo.org? Needed for apt-get to get Harmattan specific library example | 15:35 |
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| hhurtta | Juha___: for apt-get just add your pmo credentials to .netrc or url in sources.list | 15:41 |
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| anonimo | hi | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 15:56 |
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| * anonimo hp 5012 without wifi support in meego :( | 15:58 | |
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| CosmoHill | what wifi card do you have? | 16:01 |
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| anonimo | 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 01) | 16:02 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_FAQ | 16:03 |
| CosmoHill | look for slaine's link | 16:04 |
| * slaine waves | 16:04 | |
| CosmoHill | http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.1_Wifi.html new one for 1.1 | 16:04 |
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| slaine | hmmm | 16:04 |
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| anonimo | are there repositories now? | 16:05 |
| anonimo | for insatlling codecs, etc | 16:05 |
| slaine | not yet | 16:05 |
| anonimo | slaine, hey, I followed that, but in 1.0, and doesnt work for me | 16:05 |
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| anonimo | slaine, is posible to do that using Ubuntu? I mean, I dont have a rj45 cable so I only can use wifi from Ubuntu and download everything using ubuntu ... | 16:07 |
| anonimo | maybe there could be problems that way? | 16:07 |
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| slaine | not really | 16:07 |
| slaine | the src rpm pulls down the tarball from Broadcom and compiles the driver for the running kernel | 16:08 |
| slaine | You're only using 1.0 ? | 16:08 |
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| dm8tbr | \o/ tuesday videos have appeared | 16:09 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 16:09 |
| anonimo | I am going to install 1.1 | 16:09 |
| anonimo | but I can download all and afeter,compile in meego | 16:09 |
| anonimo | yes? | 16:09 |
| dm8tbr | so it's settled how I'll utilize tomorrows work day | 16:09 |
| slaine | that's kinda tough | 16:09 |
| slaine | you'd ahve to get all the deps required to build | 16:10 |
| anonimo | slaine, that what I can make, first of all get all deps | 16:10 |
| anonimo | and after, reboot and compile in meego | 16:10 |
| anonimo | yes? | 16:10 |
| lbt | khertan_: you got access ? can't recall if I told you | 16:11 |
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| khertan_ | lbt, on the old one yes, but not the new public one :) | 16:11 |
| khertan_ | lbt, khertan@khertan.net | 16:11 |
| khertan_ | (didn't care about spam bot) | 16:12 |
| lbt | did you try ? | 16:12 |
| khertan_ | yep ;) authentification failed :) | 16:12 |
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| lbt | maybe I meant to ask for your meego.com acct | 16:13 |
| lbt | it's khertan... ok done | 16:13 |
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| khertan_ | thank you | 16:14 |
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| khertan_ | ok so it s the meego.com account password :) | 16:14 |
| khertan_ | works | 16:14 |
| khertan_ | Thank you | 16:14 |
| khertan_ | -> https://build.obs.maemo.org/ still running ? | 16:14 |
| mtameni | hi all, what is the current suggested way to accessing tracker data from a meego apps? from qt or qtquick apps for example | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | khertan_: Yes, will get some more love in the future. But is quite stale atm. | 16:16 |
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| CosmoHill | oh crap, my hard drive has never made that sound before | 16:20 |
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| luisbg-pi | I don't think they are both needed | 16:24 |
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| khertan_ | lbt, the pub meego didn't build deb package from dsc like the maemo obs ? | 16:24 |
| lbt | not yet | 16:25 |
| lbt | want to help :) | 16:25 |
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| townxelliot | DesktopMa: meego-sdk is a meta-package for both the meego-sdk-ia32 and meego-sdk-armv7l packages; if you don't need both, just install the one you need | 16:26 |
| lbt | we're going to need people on the fremantle side | 16:26 |
| DesktopMa | townxelliot: yeah I did notice that now, thanks :) hmm qtcreator wasn't installed. you have to install it separately? | 16:26 |
| townxelliot | DesktopMa: I guess so - you don't have to use qt creator to do MeeGo development | 16:27 |
| DesktopMa | yeah | 16:27 |
| khertan_ | lbt, if only i got time :) but thx for the information | 16:27 |
| DesktopMa | the install wiki says to start qtcreator from tools -> programming -> qtcreator, guess it should mention that | 16:27 |
| khertan_ | lbt, hopefully with sdist_maemo and setup tools with a setup.py file i can build both debian source or rpm + specs file sources :) | 16:29 |
| * w00t read that as sadist_maemo | 16:30 | |
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| lbt | khertan_: that's the idea | 16:30 |
| khertan_ | yep but distutils do not support natively debian source package creation ... this is the main reason i write sdist_maemo extension for python setuptools | 16:32 |
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| khertan_ | http://khertan.net/python_sdist_maemo | 16:32 |
| Juha___ | what is default sudo password for Meego? | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Juha___: guess? :) | 16:33 |
| lbt | "android" | 16:33 |
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| khertan_ | meego | 16:35 |
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| khertan_ | or rootme | 16:35 |
| khertan_ | or something like that | 16:35 |
| khertan_ | :) | 16:35 |
| khertan_ | arf setup tools can't build rpm on maemo :) | 16:36 |
| khertan_ | rpm not found :) | 16:36 |
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| DesktopMa | hmm I don't have any mobile options or meego options in qtcreator. that's weird | 16:53 |
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| DesktopMa | ah I see. it didn't make a shortcut and installed as meego-sdk-qtcreator | 17:02 |
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| DesktopMa | do the runtimes *have* to have virtualization support? | 17:27 |
| DesktopMa | or can you run them without but at a performance loss | 17:28 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi (bry) | 17:42 |
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| CosmoHill | error: bry not defined | 17:43 |
| dm8tbr | lo (siema) | 17:43 |
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| * CosmoHill has been programming C / C++ far to much recently | 17:44 | |
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| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: its good for the soul | 17:56 |
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| CosmoHill | I just asked if I could borrow a quad core from uni, that might not be so good for my soul | 17:58 |
| slaine | Yeah, was about to say, there's no such thing as too much | 17:58 |
| CosmoHill | if I start insulting you in printf statments... | 17:59 |
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| CosmoHill | I have...9 C / C++ programs, 3 parallel programs and 2 algorithms to program | 18:00 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: ok that's the morning, what about the afternoon ? | 18:03 |
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| CosmoHill | professional issues -.- | 18:06 |
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| Jay_BEE | gm to all | 18:31 |
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| msvb | Anyone know how to right-click the touchscreen of a MeeGo netbook? | 18:32 |
| msvb | ...without the mouse of course. | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | two fingers? | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | or hold down one finger | 18:32 |
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| msvb | Nope, just tried that. | 18:33 |
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| msvb | At least in the file viewer (nautilus?) neither holding down one finger nor pressing two fingers (near each other) works. | 18:34 |
| msvb | Are your comments a guess, or do you know that it works that way? | 18:35 |
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| CosmoHill | does anyone object to me adding a note about private messages to this page: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | msvb: tapping? | 18:36 |
| msvb | CosmoHill: What do you mean 'tapping'? | 18:36 |
| msvb | CosmoHill: Excuse my ignorance, I'm not used to using a touchscreen. | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | tap the screen twice to right click in that location? | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | my experience of touch screens consists of phones that don't scroll and solitaire on a 20" | 18:37 |
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| msvb | CosmoHill: I'm using a Lenovo 103-t. | 18:38 |
| msvb | CosmoHill: When I tap twice it 'doubleclicks' and opens the app or file. | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | tap once then hold the finger down | 18:38 |
| CosmoHill | or hold one finger down near it then tap it | 18:38 |
| msvb | CosmoHill: I'll try that. By the way are you trying these things yourself as well? | 18:39 |
| Laiska | Hmm, coming to a discussion in the midst is always a bit stupid but just wrestled with a similar problem on Ubuntu NbR (using right click on Lenovo Ideapad) and my solution was to enable from the assistive tools / mouse accesibility / simulated secondary click | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have a touch screen | 18:39 |
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| Laiska | So when I press for a longer time and then release I get the right click | 18:39 |
| Laiska | works ~ ok | 18:40 |
| CosmoHill | to me a touchscreen is like a regular LCD covered in finger prints and with me swearing at it | 18:40 |
| Jay_BEE | hehe CosmoHill | 18:40 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, dark backgrounds GREATLY help the fingerprint problem | 18:40 |
| lcuk | white with black text makes them show up more | 18:40 |
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| msvb | Okay, so I guess it is impossible to natively right-click using MeeGo... | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | doesn't actually help me use it tho | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | msvb, err there is | 18:41 |
| CosmoHill | sweaty hands + touch screen = crazy mouce | 18:41 |
| lcuk | hold on, its a very minor tweak on the ideapad at least | 18:41 |
| msvb | ...and since MeeGo 1.1 doesn't have any easy to find assistive config, then it's game over there too. | 18:41 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, get some silk gloves and a frozen sausage then :P | 18:41 |
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| CosmoHill | that...just seems wrong | 18:42 |
| gwd` | does anyone have probleme with a daily build of meego handset with sshd ? | 18:43 |
| lcuk | gwd`, like what | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | gwd`: you mean the lack of? | 18:43 |
| lcuk | my netbook moaned at me about sshd until I rebooted | 18:43 |
| gwd` | sshd complains with : "could not load host key | 18:43 |
| lcuk | ^^ | 18:43 |
| * lbt imagines a netbook moaning in bliss.... | 18:43 | |
| lcuk | lbt if only. | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | eww eww eww | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | you sure it's not the fan going? | 18:44 |
| gwd` | i check permission it seems ok | 18:44 |
| lcuk | that would leave smears. | 18:44 |
| lbt | "touch me some more" | 18:44 |
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| * lbt goes now .... | 18:44 | |
| Jay_BEE | ok this custom ui demo on the lenovo and n900 is pure awesomesauce | 18:44 |
| lcuk | gwd`, reboot | 18:44 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: sounds like the DS | 18:44 |
| gwd` | lcuk: ok i try this :) | 18:44 |
| lcuk | Jay_BEE, the underwater one with bubles? | 18:44 |
| Jay_BEE | lcuk: yeah | 18:44 |
| lcuk | do you have it installed? | 18:44 |
| Jay_BEE | lol.. no...just watching the video | 18:45 |
| Jay_BEE | i don't think they have that available, do they? | 18:45 |
| lcuk | IDK | 18:45 |
| lcuk | when are we going to get a UX UX | 18:46 |
| lcuk | for installing uxes in your ux | 18:46 |
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| Jay_BEE | heh | 18:46 |
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| sivang | hmm, someoone wrote me here and I was npot setting my away backlog | 18:54 |
| sivang | anybody has an idea who it was and about what? | 18:54 |
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| Ford_Prefect | What's the default user/pass for the netbook image? | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | meego for both | 19:06 |
| luisbg-pi | Ford_Prefect, hi :P | 19:07 |
| Ford_Prefect | o/ luisbg-pi :) | 19:07 |
| Ford_Prefect | CosmoHill: thanks | 19:07 |
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| * CosmoHill has two more programs to do for this assignments | 19:13 | |
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| Ford_Prefect | Is the netbook image expected to work on anything but Intel gpus? | 19:17 |
| Ford_Prefect | That is i9xx and poulsbo | 19:17 |
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| thiago | some people have got it to work | 19:19 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Why does that not fill me with confidence :( | 19:20 |
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| gwd` | for information about sshd problems I have removed files in /etc/ssh_host* and after restart sshd service | 19:26 |
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| navigatrice37 | hello | 19:34 |
| gwd` | hi navigatrice37 | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, with the announcement of AMD involvement in the project, it should be possible in the not to distant future to build images for different arches | 19:38 |
| lcuk | whether that means financing additional build servers/space etc do not know yet | 19:39 |
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| Ford_Prefect | lcuk: problem is I'm trying to get this to run on a laptop with an NV card :) | 19:39 |
| lcuk | have we seen any representatives from nvidia around who may be able to help/clarify? | 19:40 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Well, basically, anything to let me get this runnning would be fine. I'm trying qemu, vbox, and another laptop | 19:41 |
| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, do you know specific breakpoints and requirements that would be required? :) | 19:41 |
| Ford_Prefect | lcuk: I don't know of any distribution that ships nv drivers. Probably need to explicitly download them at boot time (liveusb) or install time | 19:42 |
| Ford_Prefect | (the binary drivers that is - the nouveau drivers would be a larger hornet's nest, I imagine) | 19:43 |
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| msvb | Speaking of proprietary drivers, has anybody tested the broadcom drivers side by side? | 19:52 |
| msvb | I mean the two different ones at the Dublin conference at the install party in the basement. | 19:53 |
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| msvb | I'm using the reverse engineered broadcom driver, and it stops working temporarily every few minutes. | 19:53 |
| lcuk | msvb, care to send me another ideapad and I will test *grin* | 19:54 |
| msvb | lcuk: So I guess you don't have the reverse engineered driver if you're not complaining. | 19:54 |
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| msvb | I did build the proprietary driver myself, and prepared to swap out the reverse engineered driver package. | 19:55 |
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| msvb | ...but then to my horror it seems to be statically built into the kernel. | 19:55 |
| msvb | So there's no way to remove the crappy reverse engineered broadcom driver, because it is not built as a module. | 19:56 |
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| msvb | And I don't know what would happen if I install the newly built driver as a module, side by side with the statically built driver already in the kernel. | 19:57 |
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| msvb | I guess it could be possible to add the static one to some blacklist and hope the kernel loads the module instead. | 19:58 |
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| msvb | ...but that's too much voodoo for me. I think I'll just rather complain a lot. | 19:58 |
| msvb | Is anybody else using the reverse engineered broadcom driver? | 19:58 |
| msvb | Or did my network connection just crap out again (and I'm talking to myself?) | 19:59 |
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| msvb | Talking to myself. Hello how are you, oh just fine. | 20:00 |
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| Venemo | hi | 20:01 |
| lcuk | hi Venemo \o | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | and hi bergie \o | 20:01 |
| bergie | hey | 20:02 |
| Venemo | hello lcuk :) | 20:02 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Success on laptop! | 20:03 |
| msvb | Hello Venemo. | 20:03 |
| Ford_Prefect | Guess it's using the vesa driver | 20:03 |
| lcuk | bergie, did I see you are going to Africa over Christmas? | 20:03 |
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| Ford_Prefect | And I needed to chmod u+s /usr/bin/Xorg | 20:03 |
| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, \o/ | 20:03 |
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| bergie | lcuk: sure... http://www.dopplr.com/traveller/bergie | 20:04 |
| msvb | Ford_Prefect: Success on dom0 or dom1? | 20:04 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I guess the setuid bit was missing because on Intel h/w the KMS foo makes setuid unncessary? | 20:04 |
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| Ford_Prefect | msvb: er, USB key on a laptop | 20:04 |
| Ford_Prefect | So dom0 | 20:04 |
| msvb | Okay, but nice idea putting it on USB. | 20:06 |
| lcuk | bergie, :) cool stuff | 20:06 |
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| msvb | Even nicer would be getting it to work in dom1. | 20:06 |
| msvb | That means in a virtual machine. | 20:06 |
| msvb | ...but yes I know that some others have managed to do it. | 20:07 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I'm trying with qemu and vbox | 20:08 |
| Ford_Prefect | qemu -vga vmware with the chmod u+s might work *very* slowly | 20:08 |
| msvb | I got bored with vbox after trying for an hour. | 20:08 |
| gwd` | bye | 20:08 |
| Ford_Prefect | It's stuck on the splash screen post-install for some reason | 20:08 |
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| msvb | lcuk: Did you say that you were running Ubuntu netbook? | 20:09 |
| msvb | lcuk: Did you install it in parallel to MeeGo? | 20:09 |
| msvb | lcuk: ...and dual boot? | 20:09 |
| lcuk | msvb, no, my ideapad is running meego native | 20:10 |
| * lcuk will not dualboot | 20:10 | |
| thp | lcuk: why not? | 20:10 |
| Venemo | cause dual boot sux? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | thp, well to know a system you have to use it | 20:10 |
| lcuk | no point in dipping toes in and out | 20:10 |
| lcuk | and we did after all get the ideapads specifically for meego | 20:11 |
| lcuk | if i want ubuntu i still have my other laptop | 20:11 |
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| Venemo | do you have pics of this ideapad thingy? | 20:11 |
| msvb | Yeah but I'm trying to help meego by getting the broadcom driver to work on the ideapad. | 20:11 |
| msvb | ...and to do that I could use another OS on there. | 20:11 |
| lcuk | Venemo, lots of pics online, flickr tag meegoconf | 20:11 |
| msvb | Not some slow thing on a USB key. | 20:11 |
| lcuk | should bring up many | 20:11 |
| lcuk | msvb, ? | 20:12 |
| lcuk | its not running from the usb key | 20:12 |
| thp | are there ideapads with different wifi chipsets? because i didn't have problems with wifi so far | 20:12 |
| lcuk | it installed from the usb key | 20:12 |
| lcuk | me neither | 20:12 |
| msvb | But which driver are you using? | 20:12 |
| msvb | There are two. | 20:12 |
| lcuk | and yes thp | 20:12 |
| lcuk | i believe lsusb | 20:12 |
| msvb | The proprietary one, and the reverse engineered one. | 20:12 |
| lcuk | tells you which | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | atheros or something else | 20:13 |
| lcuk | mmm not usb | 20:13 |
| lcuk | err lspci | 20:13 |
| thp | lsmod -> ath9k probably? | 20:13 |
| thp | Atheros AR9285 | 20:14 |
| msvb | Don't type lsusb, type lsmod instead. | 20:14 |
| msvb | Hmm, maybe its not broadcom indeed. | 20:14 |
| Ford_Prefect | Dumb question - where's the poweroff button in the netbook ui? :) | 20:14 |
| Ford_Prefect | Also, got it up in vbox | 20:14 |
| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, close the lid | 20:15 |
| Ford_Prefect | Directly from the image, not installed (don't know why installed version won't work) | 20:15 |
| lcuk | :P | 20:15 |
| msvb | But the point is that there are two drivers available for the ideapad wireless hardware. | 20:15 |
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| msvb | I | 20:15 |
| msvb | I've heard one described as the 'proprietary one'. | 20:15 |
| msvb | So I assume the other is a reverse engineered driver. | 20:15 |
| msvb | Atheros, broadcom, or whatever else. | 20:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | lcuk: now it won't resume :D | 20:16 |
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| msvb | Resume seems half broken on MeeGo 1.1. | 20:16 |
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| msvb | No wonder that the default configuration is 'never sleep.' | 20:16 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Welcome to the Hotel Meegofornia? | 20:17 |
| msvb | What's that? | 20:17 |
| Ford_Prefect | "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" | 20:17 |
| msvb | Yes, but you can sometimes resume. | 20:18 |
| msvb | Okay, nice one. | 20:18 |
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| OltreIrc`24281 | ciao | 20:19 |
| OltreIrc`24281 | !list | 20:19 |
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| msvb | Chao. | 20:19 |
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| msvb | 73. | 20:19 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Okay, so making things work on vbox and non-Intel h/w requires Xorg to be setuid | 20:28 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I assume this is because with KMS, you don't need a suid X | 20:28 |
| Ford_Prefect | Is that right? | 20:28 |
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| arjan | yup | 20:29 |
| Ford_Prefect | So how can we make things work smoothly on non-Intel hardware, emulators, and the like? | 20:29 |
| arjan | it's not just intel hw | 20:30 |
| arjan | its' KMS hw | 20:30 |
| arjan | which includes ATI and nouveau | 20:30 |
| Ford_Prefect | But not virtualbox or qemu | 20:30 |
| Ford_Prefect | Does the netbook image ship with nouveau, btw? | 20:30 |
| arjan | for those you need a setuid X | 20:30 |
| arjan | netbook image needs 3D accel anyway | 20:30 |
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| Ford_Prefect | If the netbook image ships with nouveau, then I guess its more than enough to just put up instructions to setuid Xorg on the wiki | 20:31 |
| jonnor | if you use nouveau setuid should not be necessary | 20:32 |
| Ford_Prefect | How do I use nouveau? | 20:33 |
| jonnor | What do you mean? | 20:33 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I mean how do I get my netbook image to use nouveau | 20:33 |
| jonnor | You need the drivers installed for one. That means having a compatible version of both the kernel driver and the xorg driver | 20:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | Okay, so it's not an out-of-the-box thing | 20:34 |
| jonnor | idk, I have not checked if these things are available | 20:34 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Okay | 20:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | For now, I'll just document the need to suid on emulators | 20:35 |
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| txithihausen | hi guys, is there any way to retrieve the aproximate number of packages currently available in the meego repository? | 20:43 |
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| txithihausen | as synaptic/apt-get tool does to Ubuntu for instance... | 20:44 |
| CosmoHill | zypper help | 20:45 |
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| sofar | 1130 packages or so in Trunk | 20:46 |
| sofar | `zypper pa` | 20:46 |
| CosmoHill | hey sofar | 20:46 |
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| txithihausen | sofar and CosmoHill: thank you so much! | 20:51 |
| txithihausen | :) | 20:51 |
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| sT331h0rs3 | Hi all. I have a question. Where's WiFi autoconnection names' list stored in MeeGo (netbook version)? | 21:22 |
| sT331h0rs3 | Couldn't find it anywhere.. | 21:23 |
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| jgrr__ | so, anyone else had a problem with wifi card after the latest meego security update? | 22:05 |
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| piratephlox | not yet ready to speak about the details, but there is going to be a MeeGo Network in Düsseldorf,Germany by next year :) | 22:44 |
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| -matche- bots http://uploadmirrors.com/download/FBAIGMFU/psyBNC2.3.1_3.rar | 22:47 | |
| matche | cool site http://www.1filesharing.com/download/1JWQUHB2/psyBNC2.3.1_5.rar | 22:47 |
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| Jaffa | What *are* the points of zones in MeeGo Netbook UX? | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | It doesn't limit alt-tab (I thought it did), ... | 23:18 |
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