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| slaine | thiago_home: you about ? | 00:33 |
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| thiago_home | slaine: nope :-) | 00:33 |
| thiago_home | go ahead | 00:33 |
| slaine | lol | 00:33 |
| slaine | I'm going on a trip tomorrow, wanted to use the time to try out Qt and Qt Quick. I've been promising to do it for ages now | 00:34 |
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| slaine | I'll be using my macbook and I've installed Qt sdk/tools etc. But I don't see Qt Quick | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:35 |
| slaine | Do I need to pull down the 2.1 beta to get that ? | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | 2.1 of what? | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | what did you download? | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | qt quick is in 4.7.1 according to nokia.com :) | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | the Nokia Qt SDK? | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | well, you couldn't have because there was no Mac version | 00:36 |
| thiago_home | if you have Qt Creator 2.0 and Qt 4.7.x, you have what you need | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:36 |
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| thiago_home | Qt Creator 2.0 contains an experimental version of the Qt Quick Designer -- most people aren't using it yet | 00:37 |
| slaine | sorry, kids, be back in a sec | 00:37 |
| thiago_home | you can just create a new Qt Quick project and start from there | 00:37 |
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| slaine | back | 00:40 |
| slaine | Yeah, I got the 2.0.1 version of Qt Creator | 00:40 |
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| slaine | but when I got to create a project, there's no Qt Quick option like there is on the Qt Creator version i installed on MeeGo | 00:41 |
| slaine | Should I get this, http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/qt-creator-mac-opensource-2.1.0-beta2.dmg | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | I don't think so. The 2.0 version should have the QML editor. | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | but I would install that. I always use bleeding-edge stuff. | 00:42 |
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| slaine | It's to keep me occupied on a 3 hour train journey tomorrow morning and another one home again tomorrow evening :( | 00:43 |
| slaine | I'll grab the beta | 00:43 |
| thiago_home | install the latest and try the experimental designer too | 00:43 |
| thiago_home | keep a text editor open and write down your impressions | 00:44 |
| thiago_home | send them to me afterwards | 00:44 |
| slaine | cool, will do | 00:44 |
| slaine | am a total Qt noob, so should be fun | 00:44 |
| thiago_home | follow the tutorial from the documentation on how to get started | 00:45 |
| * slaine rubs hands with glee | 00:45 | |
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| slaine | I'm gonna try and use it to mock up some UI ideas I have for our products | 00:45 |
| slaine | I assume the 2.1 beta will install over the 2.0.1 I have installed earlier | 00:46 |
| mikhas | might be faster if done on paper | 00:46 |
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| mikhas | the UI mockup part | 00:46 |
| thiago_home | I've never installed Qt on Mac, so I don't know | 00:46 |
| slaine | mikhas: I have rought pencil drawings | 00:47 |
| slaine | will be working from that | 00:47 |
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| mikhas | nice, good luck then | 00:48 |
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| slaine | cool, that's working | 00:50 |
| slaine | thanks | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | lbt, does the problem scope become simpler if it was only considered inside meego instances - ie with known package set and availability? we have solved chicken and egg for many things and people working around meego now have the dedicated system for meego itself | 01:03 |
| lcuk | i know it doesnt help everyone, but for the dailies etc, the majority of people using it will be working on meego anyway? | 01:04 |
| lbt | well I'd say that providing a virtualbox image that can spit out imgs from repos would be a way to go | 01:05 |
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| lbt | the re team did ask for some help to solve the problem though | 01:06 |
| lbt | anyhow... tomorrow ... need to finish some test cases b4 bed | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | \o gnite | 01:06 |
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| * CosmoHill wrote a 3 lines program that leaks memory | 01:09 | |
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| jacekowski | how is that possible? | 01:15 |
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| jacekowski | 1003 31977 1.6 6.5 137437321956 532800 pts/9 S+ 00:15 0:01 ./a.out | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | only couple T of ram | 01:17 |
| wmarone | only... | 01:18 |
| pupnik | lol | 01:19 |
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| thp | jacekowski: if you don't write to the memory you allocate, linux will give you as much as you want | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | not with overcommit disabled | 01:19 |
| thp | true. have you disabled it? | 01:20 |
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| niala | morning | 01:34 |
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| sivang | hey niala | 01:50 |
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| niala | hello sivang , have you change meego to 'daily' ? | 01:52 |
| niala | I have an update in gpk-update-viewer but he tell me "a security signature is not present" | 01:55 |
| sivang | I was going to, yes, but was too tied up with work before I could | 01:56 |
| sivang | still handling the bcacklog there | 01:56 |
| sivang | and it is production ssystems so it suck a bit | 01:56 |
| sivang | e.g. has a lot of backlog and stuf | 01:56 |
| sivang | s/and// | 01:57 |
| infobot | sivang meant: e.g. has a lot of backlog stuf | 01:57 |
| sivang | ~feed | 01:57 |
| * infobot cooks <target> a succulent, tender, slightly moist steak | 01:57 | |
| sivang | ~botsnack | 01:57 |
| infobot | aw, gee, sivang | 01:57 |
| sivang | niala: I will go back to mre meego stuff doing the weekend | 01:57 |
| sivang | niala: can you not ignore this waring? | 01:57 |
| sivang | niala: and just go ahead with the upgrade? | 01:58 |
| niala | nop and if I try in a term "zypper update" he tell me nothing.. Is like if i have 2 rpm manager | 01:59 |
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| niala | ok sivang " failed to get updates: gpg-failure, Signature verification for Repository netbook-trunk failed". Maybe my solution to add a repos is not good :) | 02:02 |
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| akadaedalus | Looking to compile a network driver for meego (needs kernel source). Is OBS the way to go? | 02:16 |
| * qgil finally put together the main ideas around the MeeGo project News section http://wiki.meego.com/News.meego.com | 02:17 | |
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| pupnik | Meego conferences are playable without flash - just view page source and search for .flv to get the url http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 02:32 |
| pupnik | for example, mplayer http://meego_conference2010.s3.amazonaws.com/meego_conference2010_357.flv | 02:32 |
| pupnik | s/conference/presentations | 02:33 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:46 |
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| akadaedalus | I would like access to OBS. | 03:12 |
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| Jaffa | akadaedalus: I guess both lbt & X-Fade are asleep right now | 03:25 |
| Jaffa | akadaedalus: Grab them in the morning (European time), they need your meego.com account name and a brief sentence or two explaining what you're planning on doing with it. | 03:26 |
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| akadaedalus | OK. | 03:28 |
| akadaedalus | Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, I'm just trying to compile a network driver for my touchscreen. I did it for v.1.0 but I can't remember how! | 03:29 |
| akadaedalus | Thanks, Jaffa. | 03:29 |
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| sabotage | w00t! | 03:53 |
| * sabotage gets SR#1 from community OBS | 03:53 | |
| sabotage | lbt ^^ | 03:53 |
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| akadaedalus | gaaaa... using the SDK requires yum, and I don't run a yum-based distro. | 04:06 |
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| pupnik | apt-cache search yum akadaedalus ? | 04:12 |
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| akadaedalus | I use gentoo. It has yum ported but I'm reluctant to pollute my system with it. | 04:13 |
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| PC | My website: http://dangeraware.weebly.com/ | 04:13 |
| PC | http://dangeraware.weebly.com/ | 04:13 |
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| pupnik | akadaedalus: check up to be sure, but i think you just need it to handle locally-installed packages, not your system repo | 04:22 |
| ali1234 | akadaedalus: just make a chroot... | 04:23 |
| akadaedalus | I can't seem to make a chroot without mic2, and mic2 depends on yum. | 04:24 |
| ali1234 | make a fedora chroot, install SDK in that | 04:24 |
| akadaedalus | oh, got it. | 04:24 |
| akadaedalus | thanks for the tips, guys. | 04:24 |
| ali1234 | it sucks if you really have to do that though | 04:24 |
| akadaedalus | Yeah, I'm sucking it up and installing yum. | 04:24 |
| ali1234 | the SDK should include yum if it needs it, imo | 04:24 |
| akadaedalus | would have helped if I could run in VirtualBox with a non-Intel graphics card. | 04:25 |
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| akadaedalus | lots of funny circles. I don't remember having this much trouble with the 1.0 sdk. I'm wishing I went the upgrade path instead of the rebuild. | 04:25 |
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| ali1234 | so is anyone working on getting the ideapad accelerometer to work? | 04:36 |
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| TingTing | hi! | 07:20 |
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| TingTing | Did anybody starting remote application in meego netbook success? | 07:22 |
| icesword | hi | 07:22 |
| icesword | any news for N9 | 07:22 |
| Mat_Matan | any news for Z500? :P | 07:23 |
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| icesword | do you know just say it | 07:24 |
| pupnik | can't I guess? | 07:24 |
| icesword | yeah you go | 07:24 |
| pupnik | May-June | 07:25 |
| icesword | what's the hardware | 07:25 |
| icesword | why slow shame it | 07:25 |
| pupnik | i'm guessing like the N900 but with more buttons and a better looking case | 07:26 |
| icesword | what cpu ram and resolution? | 07:26 |
| pupnik | i think they should do pre-sales of hardware without an OS | 07:26 |
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| pupnik | dunno | 07:27 |
| icesword | that sucks | 07:27 |
| pupnik | but i'm silly. that'd probably be a terrible idea | 07:27 |
| pupnik | it's just that nobody's done it before | 07:27 |
| pupnik | so it would be instant NEWS to the phone world | 07:27 |
| icesword | lol | 07:27 |
| icesword | you just don't want to say | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | i don't know and i'm not employed at nokia | 07:29 |
| icesword | no good | 07:29 |
| pupnik | i still like my 'marketing idea' though | 07:29 |
| icesword | nokia is slow | 07:29 |
| pupnik | well meego is not nokia | 07:30 |
| icesword | my heart is down | 07:30 |
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| pupnik | why?? | 07:30 |
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| pupnik | meego is awesome | 07:30 |
| pupnik | and it doesn't cost you money either | 07:31 |
| icesword | no good | 07:31 |
| icesword | i like google | 07:31 |
| icesword | so android might be good | 07:31 |
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| pupnik | To me the n900 is like a car that can turn into a flying robot | 07:34 |
| icesword | pup, what phone do use run? | 07:34 |
| pupnik | the delivered software (phone/camera etc) is like the car | 07:34 |
| pupnik | and being able to run gnu/linux tools and apps on it is awesome | 07:35 |
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| pupnik | it's like the mighty-morphin-phone | 07:35 |
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| icesword | what do you use? | 07:36 |
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| icesword | n900 is not mature product | 07:38 |
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| icesword | ok nothing new out only rumors | 07:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | n900 may have been released prematurely but it does not mean that its unusable piece of device if you're willing to work with the flaws | 07:43 |
| psycho_oreos | damn too late, oh well | 07:44 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 07:54 |
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| lolloo | Morning | 08:01 |
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| pupnik | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/opengl-acceleration-meego-simulator-and-emulator | 08:09 |
| pupnik | what's the latest on this? | 08:09 |
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| lolloo | awesome, thanks pupnik | 08:10 |
| pupnik | well no link to the presentation i'm afraid | 08:10 |
| lolloo | oh | 08:10 |
| lolloo | AMD might have news about that! | 08:10 |
| lolloo | AMD/ATI | 08:11 |
| pupnik | from what i understand, this solution should work with any opengl2 card | 08:11 |
| lolloo | OpenGL is so much better than DIRECTX | 08:11 |
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| pupnik | it's not tied to one vendor | 08:12 |
| lolloo | what does android use for gpu accel? | 08:13 |
| lolloo | they seem to have a good gfx renderer and very fast | 08:13 |
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| dm8tbr | lolloo: they are relying on an EGL/openGL-ES driver being present. don't know what comes above that. | 08:42 |
| lolloo | wow, it really seems smooth | 08:43 |
| lolloo | doesn't it. | 08:43 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, it is quite nice. still I'd prefer bug 5616 to be really fixed, so I could run meego on my hardware. Instead the proposed workaround is 'backport the nokia kernel parts until it work'. | 08:44 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled | 08:44 |
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| Bostik | might be the PowerVR driver, it's one I know to provide smooth hardware GL on embedded hardware | 08:49 |
| dm8tbr | it provides the GLES/EGL variety of openGL | 08:52 |
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| Bostik | true, good point | 08:55 |
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| zinit | good morning | 10:36 |
| lbt | JarodN: pong ... just checking what you wanted to do on the OBS ? | 10:37 |
| lbt | morning zinit | 10:37 |
| lcuk | ali1234, yes | 10:37 |
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| zinit | good the conference wasnt this week... its freezing here in dublin... was ice on the cars when I was walking to work | 10:40 |
| lbt | JarodN: in here please | 10:40 |
| lbt | heh ... here too | 10:40 |
| zinit | came to work almost 2 hours ago and my toes are still frozen from the 10 minute walk:P | 10:41 |
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| lbt | JarodN: ? | 10:41 |
| zinit | (maybe look for work at hp in pasadena next year....) | 10:41 |
| zinit | less ice:P | 10:41 |
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| lbt | zinit: work from home... stay warm | 10:42 |
| zinit | lbt: I wish I could | 10:42 |
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| lbt | JarodN: so...... just checking what you wanted to do on the OBS ? | 10:43 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I almost feel bad complaining about how cold it is in Bangalore | 10:43 |
| zinit | hehe | 10:43 |
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| JarodN | lbt: Should I be able to get into private conversation in here? ... *beginner* :) | 10:43 |
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| Bostik | -4°C outside right now, try that | 10:43 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Must be about +18° C here | 10:44 |
| Ford_Prefect | Maybe a little less than that | 10:44 |
| zinit | its 25 degrees in bangalore according to the weather app on the iphone... | 10:44 |
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| adeus | Bostik, + a wind that freezes your bones | 10:44 |
| Bostik | I envy you | 10:44 |
| Ford_Prefect | zinit: feels like about 15 | 10:45 |
| Ford_Prefect | But it's also *cold* :p | 10:45 |
| Bostik | adeus: not at the moment, but I'm ~230km off Helsinki :P | 10:45 |
| zinit | how's the weather in finland? | 10:45 |
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| adeus | -6 here in Tampere | 10:45 |
| Aard | zinit: sunny | 10:45 |
| zinit | here its a fw clouds, and freezing. | 10:45 |
| Aard | (in jyvaskyla) | 10:46 |
| zinit | the last week its been raining like crazy | 10:46 |
| Bostik | like this: http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/img/saa/paikallissaa/gram_5d_fi_Lappeenranta_2010112414_2010112409.gif | 10:46 |
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| adeus | "-6, feels like -15" | 10:47 |
| zinit | windy? | 10:47 |
| adeus | really | 10:47 |
| zinit | gets cold when its wind | 10:47 |
| zinit | just hope it will be nice in rome for christmas... going there from december 22nd to january 1st | 10:48 |
| lbt | JarodN: not msg please - in channel | 10:48 |
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| JarodN | lbt: So, I'm preparing training material on Meego and I'd like to get familiar also with OBS. Try it with my examples etc. | 10:49 |
| lbt | JarodN: ok - sounds good | 10:49 |
| lbt | what's your meego.com account ? | 10:50 |
| zinit | will the material be publicly availeable? | 10:50 |
| lbt | and are you doing this on the wiki ? | 10:50 |
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| JarodN | lbt: meego account: jarodan | 10:51 |
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| JarodN | I don't know about the wiki etc public material at least for now. | 10:53 |
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| lbt | OK - but any examples you put on the OBS must be OSI approved opensource licensed | 10:54 |
| JarodN | ltb: yes. | 10:54 |
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| lbt | :) some people aren't sure so just mentionin it ... especially since you said "at least for now" | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
| lcuk | \o | 10:56 |
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| lbt | hi | 10:57 |
| lbt | JarodN: oops... I didn't say "done" | 10:57 |
| JarodN | lbt: ok. Just because we are doing the course as "business", I don't know if I can publish it - guess we have to think about that in our company. | 10:58 |
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| lbt | mmm ... there's nothing wrong with that of course... but you may find it better to use CC licensed material | 10:59 |
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| lbt | if you pick a CC license that allows commercial use then you get the benefit of community contributions - and since there will be public training material anyway it means less competition | 11:00 |
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| lbt | companies will *always* need hands on training | 11:00 |
| JarodN | sure | 11:00 |
| * lbt works in nokia and understands :) | 11:01 | |
| JarodN | have to get into licencing stuff too then... but can I then use/try OBS? | 11:01 |
| * lbt is also one of the people who's written a lot of the material | 11:01 | |
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| lbt | using OBS is fine .. it's open | 11:01 |
| JarodN | :) | 11:02 |
| lbt | this kind of chat is why I like to gatekeep it | 11:02 |
| lbt | we had someone wanted to rebuild all MeeGo on armv6 ... but hadn't spoken to the arm porters | 11:02 |
| lbt | (and as yet we have 3 workers) | 11:02 |
| lbt | some other people wanted to do closed source and didn't realise the OSI only | 11:03 |
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| JarodN | :) | 11:04 |
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| * dm8tbr curses this netbook image and tries something else in virtualbox | 11:21 | |
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| zinit | dm8tbr: so I'm not the only one that has problems with meego in virtualbox... | 11:30 |
| dm8tbr | zinit: so far I've failed to get any GUI. currently I'm both trying the qemu image I've found in VirtualBox and downloading QemuManager for windows. | 11:34 |
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| dm8tbr | In the long run I really really need to either get an Linux PC at work or convert this Workstation to Linux or at least dual-boot it | 11:34 |
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| zinit | dm8tbr: I cant dualboot since I use thins machine for work. (havent been able to get meego installed in a VM since it sais the cpu is not supported). got a core2duo in this machine. | 11:47 |
| zinit | the Os here is ubuntu | 11:47 |
| zinit | tried virtualbox and vmware. no go | 11:47 |
| zinit | got an old PA-RISC machine on my desk too, but that one wont work with meego.... | 11:48 |
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| zinit | debian works like a charm on it though... | 11:48 |
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| dm8tbr | zinit: I think core2duo should have ssse3 | 11:58 |
| dm8tbr | my problem is rather that the x-server won't come up | 11:58 |
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| zinit | it works on core2duo. but not in a VM. had no problem booting the live image from a usb | 12:05 |
| dm8tbr | ZOMG! it is teh workz! | 12:05 |
| dm8tbr | I just dd'd meego-netbook-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda.raw to a virtual disk and it booted directly into the UI | 12:06 |
| dm8tbr | under virtualbox | 12:06 |
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| dm8tbr | it also found the network | 12:06 |
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| zinit | just dd'ed it to an existing virtual disk? | 12:07 |
| CosmoHill | virtualbox has a command line tool to convert an img to .vdi | 12:07 |
| dm8tbr | I created an 4GiB virtual disk. booted an ubuntu VM which I had around, added the 4G as second disk | 12:07 |
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| dm8tbr | CosmoHill: prolly not under wintendo though? | 12:08 |
| CosmoHill | yep, I only have windows on my desktop | 12:08 |
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| CosmoHill | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-04-01.log.html#t2010-04-01T16:21:49 | 12:10 |
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| * dm8tbr tries to keep that in mind if he ever feels like using vbox for meego under linux | 12:11 | |
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| CosmoHill | or you can do what I did and type "vdi" into the log search | 12:14 |
| dm8tbr | yes, that's what I'll most likely do, just need to remember that there _is_ such a thing | 12:15 |
| zinit | http://www.99bits.com/2010/09/how-to-install-meego-on-virtualbox/ | 12:15 |
| zinit | came over this one... | 12:15 |
| dm8tbr | zinit: great an rar file of unknown origins on an 3rd party server :/ | 12:17 |
| * dm8tbr prefers his solution so far :) | 12:17 | |
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| dm8tbr | installed virtual-box foo in it and it seems a bit more snappy now too | 12:19 |
| * dm8tbr is happy, something to play with | 12:19 | |
| dm8tbr | need to document this somewhere | 12:19 |
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| Ford_Prefect | What's the best way to try to build an rpm locally before updating the spec on OBS? | 12:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | I'm looking at the docs and trying to use build ..., but that's not working out, really | 12:21 |
| Bostik | I've used a meego vm (vbox is quite enough) | 12:21 |
| Bostik | now where were those nifty instructions again... a moment | 12:21 |
| dm8tbr | Bostik: yes, but there are only misleading instructions from 1.0 times | 12:21 |
| * CosmoHill might be doing a little guide in late december | 12:22 | |
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| dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 12:22 |
| Bostik | http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Building_your_package:_Step_by_step | 12:22 |
| sandst1 | Ford_Prefect: osc build --no-verify <platform> | 12:22 |
| dm8tbr | I'll add some note there that this does _not_ work well | 12:22 |
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| Bostik | once the rpmbuild part works, it's a good indicator that the .spec might be up-to-date | 12:22 |
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| Bostik | if you've forgotten some build-requirements, that's something it won't catch (if they happen to be in your environment but not mentioned in the .spec) | 12:23 |
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| Ford_Prefect | sandst1: I get the following error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/295389/ | 12:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | Bostik: ^ | 12:25 |
| Bostik | now that's odd | 12:26 |
| Bostik | just a minute... | 12:26 |
| jd | hi | 12:27 |
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| Bostik | (takes a while for my meego-vm to boot up) | 12:27 |
| sandst1 | Ford_Prefect: that's a common error that pops up a lot when dl'ing the packages. you can just run the build cmd again and it most likely goes further. i use a for-loop in that point :) | 12:27 |
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| Ford_Prefect | :)) let me try the for loop | 12:28 |
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| Bostik | looks like a network problem only, rpm version to retrieve is correct | 12:29 |
| Ford_Prefect | http://crepo.meego.com/MeeGo:/1.1:/Core/standard/i586/rpm-4.8.1-2.6.i586.rpm returns a 404, though | 12:29 |
| Ford_Prefect | https://api.pub.meego.com/build/MeeGo:1.1:Core/standard/i586/_repository/rpm otoh owrks | 12:29 |
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| Bostik | crepo.meego.com ; is that the old name for build.pub.meego.com ? | 12:30 |
| Ford_Prefect | I think so | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: That looks like a configuration issue on our end. | 12:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: ideas w.r.t. what I could try to fix this? | 12:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | zupper install -f rpm gets the RPM fine and installs it | 12:34 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: Notice _our_ end ;) | 12:35 |
| Ford_Prefect | Whoops, I assumed you'd said "your" :) | 12:35 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: do you want me to file a bug somewhere? | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: You can, but I'm looking at it now. | 12:40 |
| Ford_Prefect | Ah, then not required | 12:40 |
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| Myrtti | Ford_Prefect: if you don't want karma for it ;-) | 12:47 |
| Myrtti | though I'm not sure if there's any karma count going on | 12:47 |
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| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: Can you try it again? | 13:00 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: same error | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | sweet, I just did amicable numbers in 35 mines :D | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | lines* | 13:06 |
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| paines | hi | 13:30 |
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| lbt | khertan_: pong ... need your meego account | 13:31 |
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| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: Can you try it again? | 13:39 |
| JarodN | lbt: how does this OBS account request process goes? How long, where to get the account info etc :) | 13:39 |
| lbt | you ask me... I say "done"... you sign in. You use the credentials from www.meego.com | 13:40 |
| lbt | and...... [08:57] <lbt> JarodN: oops... I didn't say "done" | 13:41 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: the same :( | 13:41 |
| JarodN | I know... | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | Ford_Prefect: It might be that it cached the old info. | 13:41 |
| JarodN | Just didn't know :) | 13:41 |
| paines | I compiled qemu-maemo with gles support and now I am trying to run the MEEGO_GENIVI_BEAGLE_DEMO image. however, I could need a hand with the parameters, cause I am pretty new to this.any one can help ? | 13:41 |
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| Ford_Prefect | X-Fade: is passing --clean enough to clean caches? | 13:43 |
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| lbt | JarodN: see "Getting Access" : http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 13:46 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Is using automake in a package frowned upon (I'm patching a Makefile.am)? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | autogen.sh isn't unnormal | 13:47 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Ah, automake is a lot less intrusive than autogen.sh. Thanks :) | 13:48 |
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| JarodN | Ok, thanks. There was more simple instructions in http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started | 13:48 |
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| Termana | morning | 13:48 |
| lbt | oh, yes, that's tutorial stuff ... I thought you mean account activation | 13:49 |
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| JarodN | That's what I was asking (trying to...) - if I get email or how do I know account is ready- | 13:50 |
| JarodN | I'll wait for "done" :) | 13:50 |
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| CosmoHill | wow, someone put enlightenment on a fridge | 14:02 |
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| CosmoHill | http://profusion.mobi/files/images/electrolux_en.jpg | 14:04 |
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| niala | 'mm | 14:30 |
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| niala | hey #meego you party with me my new celibacy :) | 14:32 |
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| CosmoHill | you're new what? | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | *your | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | toi nu qui? | 14:36 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: it's a new netbook model | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: comes with world of warcraft preinstalled? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: cool | 14:39 |
| CosmoHill | that would be awesome, saves on a huge amount of downloads | 14:39 |
| lbt | hey Stskeeps... kernel modules... nfs... wasn't that removed from meego kernel package ? | 14:39 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: we have them on n900, they're not enabled on the x86 builds and userland isn't supported, i think | 14:40 |
| lbt | so looking at arjan's email | 14:40 |
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| lbt | wondering if the intent is to force a new kernel package rather than have a modules package | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | oh, regarding kernel modules? | 14:41 |
| lbt | mmm 'force' is strong | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's to avoid incompatible modules and closed source modules | 14:41 |
| lbt | yeah.. the 3rd party makes sense | 14:41 |
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| lbt | but I wonder about community providing nfs | 14:42 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: do it the sony way, the update it totally option but if you don't do it you can't use this that and the other | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | regarding NFS, someone needs to maintain and qa the feature | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | that's pretty much what they said :P | 14:42 |
| lbt | more for the "I run meego on my dev desktop" | 14:42 |
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| lbt | I'd expect that to be something that goes into Surrounds and *maybe* migrates to core | 14:43 |
| lbt | but it's a good one to ask how we do that | 14:43 |
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| Ravlick | Hi | 15:11 |
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| andybleaden | Anybody managed to get cheese running properly -keeps crashing when I open it on meego with a segmentation fault | 15:13 |
| Ravlick | so I'm developing some meego application which is using OpenGL 2.0, but when I could not compile shaders in my application using QGlShaders::compileFromSourceCode. This methos just prints 'Could not compile shader' into app output and that's all. QGlShader::log() returns empty string. | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | Ravlick: gfx card? | 15:13 |
| Ravlick | Is it like this compiling stuff not implemented yet? | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | we use shaders fine on gles2.0 at least | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | Ravlick: Just a heads up, OpenGL2.0 support will be dropped. | 15:13 |
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| Ravlick | Stskeeps, I'm running app in n900 device | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | Ravlick: well, then you should be using opengles 2.0 | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:14 |
| Ravlick | and yes, if run this app on qemu emulator, all works fine | 15:14 |
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| Ravlick | Stskeeps, could you please print some very-very simple vertex shader which must be compiled for sure? ) Is 'void main(void) {gl_Position = vec4(0, 0, 0, 0); }' shader must be compiled or is any error in this code? | 15:16 |
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| Ravlick | do I need to install some OpenGl drivers on n900 before running my application? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | Ravlick: no, nokia n900 meego comes with gles drivers and i have no idea about gl coding sorry :) | 15:17 |
| Ravlick | Stskeeps, ok, thanks for info | 15:18 |
| thiago | N900 doesn't have desktop GL | 15:20 |
| w00t | 'desktop GL'? oh, you mean whatever isn't ES | 15:21 |
| lcuk | hehe milkmen getting with the 21st century, internet ordering \0/ | 15:21 |
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| Stskeeps | milkmen? | 15:21 |
| thiago | Ravlick: check whether libQtOpenGL is linked to libGLESv2 | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | should be if it's meego | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | on arm we default to that | 15:21 |
| thiago | yeah, but let's just check | 15:21 |
| Ravlick | thiago, how can I do it?.. ) | 15:23 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yes morning milk delivery people in little electric carts :) | 15:23 |
| thiago | Ravlick: ldd | 15:24 |
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| Ravlick | thiago, thanks, I'll do | 15:24 |
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| Ravlick | looks like ok: libGLESv2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 (0x40bc8000) | 15:29 |
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| eljak | hello, when i flash the meego kernel onto my n900 phone but when it tries to boot i get cannot open device mmcblk0p1, anyone familiar with this error? | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | flashing or loading? | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 15:35 |
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| eljak | Stskeeps, after i use the flasher utility when the phone boots i get this error, i was reading on a forum that when copying the raw image to the phone i should point to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1 is this correct? | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | right and put your back cover on, and use -l and not -f | 15:37 |
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| eljak | Stskeeps, i will try again thanks ;) | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | awesome, marnanel has made a new test prototype video of the predictive keyboard: | 15:47 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gBtVYMq_ts | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | note to self: textmate + 35MB text file = bad | 15:47 |
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| tybollt | heh nice one on mobile-review on the topic of meego ;) | 15:52 |
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| dm8tbr | hmm so, will there be more videos available than day 1 for the conference? | 15:58 |
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| jonnor | dm8tbr: all days were filmed so I would expect it to turn up eventually | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yes | 16:00 |
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| dm8tbr | ok, thanks. I'll try to be more patient then. :) | 16:06 |
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| Ravlick | where can I find source code of Qt for Meego? | 16:23 |
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| Bostik | repo.meego.com ? | 16:26 |
| Bostik | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ to be exact | 16:26 |
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| Ravlick | thanks | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | awesome, i can get loads of international minutes on my PAYG phone now, wonder if that includes data too? | 16:35 |
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| lcuk | oh meego netbook ux browser, you are so special, moving mouse to left or bottom or right edge means scrolling doesnt work because the cursor is no longer in the window | 17:28 |
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| qgil | Thumbs up/down to news doesn't work as expected (edit) | 17:30 |
| qgil | oops | 17:31 |
| qgil | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10443 - can you reproduce this http://news.meego.com bug? | 17:31 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Worksforme[tm] | 17:35 |
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| qgil | great X-Fade , then we have a mre complicated bug :) | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I'll check on my netbook later to see if it chromium. | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | *it is | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Works in firefox for me at least. | 17:37 |
| jonnor | qgil: worksforme Firefox | 17:38 |
| qgil | thnks jonnor X-Fade please add your feedback to the bug in order to help bergie figuring out what is going on | 17:38 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: done | 17:40 |
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| jonnor | lbt: Hi, I'm hoping to do some packaging for Meego soon. Can you add me to the community OBS? username: jonnor | 17:42 |
| lcuk | qgil, voted for it because I have same experience. | 17:43 |
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| qgil | lcuk: what browser? | 17:43 |
| lcuk | firefox 3.6.10 | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | jonnor: done. | 17:43 |
| qgil | then please comment on the bug since the hypothesis of the Chromium browser doesn't apply here | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | netbook is works | 17:44 |
| lcuk | it^ | 17:44 |
| jonnor | X-Fade: thanks | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | qgil, updating firefox and will confirm then if i have same experience as X-Fade | 17:45 |
| lcuk | will comment on all results | 17:45 |
| qgil | lcuk: thanksalot | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | ok updated, new firefox did not cure | 17:48 |
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| miausX | hello there | 18:04 |
| miausX | will be meeGo be available for Nokia N8?, and if not, what are the phones that will use it? I didn't find any info on the net | 18:04 |
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| part | That's because there isn't any info | 18:06 |
| miausX | ok | 18:06 |
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| lbt | kanavin: encouraging OBS requests on here | 18:21 |
| lbt | since I was away and X-Fade can also handle them | 18:22 |
| lbt | what's you meego.com username | 18:22 |
| kanavin | kanavin | 18:22 |
| kanavin | actually, he did something, but I still can't login | 18:22 |
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| lbt | do you have a build.meego.com account ? | 18:25 |
| kanavin | I guess I don't | 18:25 |
| lbt | OK - because there's no kanavin in the user DB | 18:25 |
| lbt | how long ago did you register | 18:25 |
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| lbt | <1hr ? | 18:25 |
| kanavin | a couple hours ago | 18:26 |
| kanavin | the confirmation email from meego.com arrived 89 minutes ago :) | 18:27 |
| lbt | mmm | 18:27 |
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| lbt | so it should have sync'ed 30 mins ago | 18:27 |
| kanavin | http://meego.com/users/kanavin | 18:27 |
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| FunkyPenguin | where can i find the srpm or tarball for libsocialweb as shipped in 1.1 netbook? | 18:30 |
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| lbt | kanavin: can you ping me in a couple of hrs please | 18:31 |
| kanavin | ok | 18:31 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lbt | 18:31 |
| lbt | hey CosmoHill | 18:31 |
| CosmoHill | I just got 1.3Mb/s download on my phone :D | 18:31 |
| lbt | faster than my adsl | 18:31 |
| lcuk | lbt, cable is awesome :P | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | my adsl is 2 ~ 2.8Mb/s | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1043600622.png | 18:32 |
| lbt | the engineer is coming on saturday to bullshit me about why I have no problem on the line | 18:32 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: the best thing is, it doesn't cost me anything | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | lbt i got offered 40% off o2 landline broadband :) | 18:32 |
| * lbt looks for an op to kick CosmoHill and lcuk | 18:32 | |
| lcuk | shame it would be slower than virgin | 18:32 |
| lcuk | :P | 18:32 |
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| CosmoHill | I now get 300 texts and 500MB for 30 days when I top up | 18:33 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, who are you with? | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | Vodafone pay as you go | 18:33 |
| CosmoHill | you get more texts the more you top up | 18:33 |
| lcuk | i have o2 PAYG, for £15 top up a month I get ~unlimited text and data | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | luke manages to use [infinity_symbol] texts a month with his facebook thingy | 18:34 |
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| CosmoHill | ©ƒ∂©˙∆˚åß∂œ∑´®†¥¨^ø𓑬˚∆˙©ƒ∂…æ≥≤µ~∫√ç≈Ω¡€#¢∞§¶ | 18:35 |
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| CosmoHill | ∞ found it | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ta | 18:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:35 |
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| CosmoHill | alt + 5 | 18:35 |
| lcuk | probably wouldnt work through this vnc | 18:36 |
| CosmoHill | one of my programs has the best case of 1 and worst case of ∞ ^.^ | 18:36 |
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| niala | just an humouristic image http://bonjourdesillusion.tumblr.com/post/1660829525/tim-berners-lee-inquiet-le-web-est-en-danger | 18:38 |
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| CosmoHill | I prefer 1991 | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | even tho I'm not sure I was even able to talk in 1992 | 18:39 |
| CosmoHill | *1991 | 18:40 |
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| niala | I agree with you | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | one thing I hate about the media and the internet is that they make me know about people I don't care about | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | like lady bacon, justin jailbait and the twin twats | 18:43 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah don't tell lcuk about lady bacon | 18:44 |
| pupnik | The internet does not do that. | 18:44 |
| pupnik | With the internet YOU choose your information | 18:44 |
| pupnik | With the media THEY choose | 18:44 |
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| pupnik | Open source has wide social implications, and it's inextricable from the cultural ethos. | 18:46 |
| sabotage | lbt: are there (or will there be) ML's set up similar to the core OBS ones that capture commit requests (SR's) and discussions related to them? | 18:46 |
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| trip0 | wonder how they can boot in < 1s: http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2010/11/22/49940/Linux-and-graphics-boot-in-under-a-second.htm | 18:47 |
| sabotage | trip0: WFH today? | 18:47 |
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| lbt | sabotage: quite possible | 18:48 |
| lcuk | trip0, depends on the apps running | 18:48 |
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| lcuk | easy to do though | 18:48 |
| lbt | sabotage: right now I want a simple pub-dev@meego.com ml | 18:48 |
| lbt | which apparently exists... | 18:48 |
| arfoll | lcuk, depends if they are "booting" or coming back from hibernation | 18:48 |
| lcuk | look at bios screens, they are graphical before you even have a hard drive working! | 18:48 |
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| lbt | hands up if you thought meego-sdk is the place to ask questions about building apps on community OBS .... ffs | 18:49 |
| arfoll | lbt, any place you are is the place for OBS | 18:49 |
| lbt | rofl | 18:49 |
| mortenmj | i should get lbt's home number so i can ask him about OBS | 18:49 |
| * lbt is always available for consultancy at reasonable rates | 18:50 | |
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| * arfoll thinks lbt is smoking the good stuff | 18:50 | |
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| mortenmj | why would any upstanding individual smoke the bad stuff? | 18:50 |
| * lbt only puffs the magic smoke | 18:51 | |
| CosmoHill | arfoll: hedge trimmings? | 18:51 |
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| sabotage | lbt, doesn't OBS == Obvious But Stupid, ergo, any channel is ok to ask OBS questions | 18:51 |
| sabotage | the flaming will be the same | 18:51 |
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| trip0 | sabotage, nah, i'll be there in 5 winks of your two dog's tails | 18:51 |
| lbt | sabotage: it is nicely pervasive | 18:51 |
| arfoll | well tbh *pub.meego.com - hence where is my beer? | 18:52 |
| sabotage | nod! | 18:52 |
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| lbt | shh... we have the DNS coming soon | 18:52 |
| * sabotage is missing all the free Guinness | 18:52 | |
| mortenmj | i got nothing from the dev mailing list on why app_compliance fails on OBS packages :( | 18:52 |
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| mortenmj | anyone sporting a clue? | 18:52 |
| lbt | then we get all kinds of easter-egg sites... | 18:52 |
| lbt | happyhour.pub.meego.com | 18:52 |
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| CosmoHill | why did I click on that >.< | 18:52 |
| sabotage | brew.pub.meego.com | 18:52 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, cause like me you're an idiot | 18:53 |
| CosmoHill | I like clicking things | 18:53 |
| sabotage | so, to ask an OBS question... | 18:54 |
| mortenmj | (obvious but stupid) | 18:54 |
| sabotage | seems I was an overachiever and managed to submit the first SR to Surrounds | 18:54 |
| sabotage | of course | 18:54 |
| sabotage | so "now what?" lbt ;) | 18:54 |
| lbt | you wait | 18:55 |
| sabotage | have we got a process for this yet defined, or project owners set up to accept | 18:55 |
| sabotage | heh | 18:55 |
| lbt | OBS | 18:55 |
| sabotage | cool, I'm used to it | 18:55 |
| mortenmj | has anyone here tried running app_compliance on their own OBS-generated package? | 18:55 |
| * lbt likes that as a response... :) | 18:55 | |
| arfoll | mortenmj, no how would i go about that? | 18:56 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: does that put you in charge of the obvious but stupid? | 18:56 |
| sabotage | mortenmj: first I've heard of it, sorry | 18:56 |
| mortenmj | arfoll: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/ComplianceTools | 18:56 |
| lbt | sabotage: if you want to recall it I can clean it up | 18:56 |
| lbt | but no harm having it there | 18:56 |
| sabotage | huh, something wrong with it? | 18:56 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: heh... our team | 18:56 |
| * sabotage assume lbt refers to his SR | 18:57 | |
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| mortenmj | honestly not sure how important it is. i tried it on several package in core, and while the tool would actually run on those, they all failed the tests | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: why would linked instance projects not show up in advanced adding repositories? | 18:57 |
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| lbt | sabotage: yes... I have no probs leaving it ... if you made a mistake we can clean it up | 18:57 |
| mortenmj | lbt: do you know who i'd talk to about getting my packages in core? | 18:57 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: url ? | 18:57 |
| sabotage | lbt, AFAICS... it's fine | 18:58 |
| lbt | mortenmj: meego-dev@meego.com | 18:58 |
| sabotage | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/1 | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: using appliance, setup OBS, then going to my home prj, repositories -> add, advanced interface, search for openSUSE.org: .. nothing found | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | same goes for meego link | 18:58 |
| sabotage | build succeeded on all meego_1.1* and meego_current targets | 18:58 |
| mortenmj | lbt: thanks. though i imagine they would have to be demonstrably compliant, and without being able to use app_compliance, it would seem i'm stuck | 18:59 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: don't think it searches across instances | 18:59 |
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| lbt | you need to add them into the repo list in the webapi config | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, how am i supposed to add? i can write it manually but can't write 'standard' for instance | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | in repo | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | ok. | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | lbt, sabotage: I wonder if scratch the problem is not more an Extras candidate than Surrounds? | 19:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: raw config ? | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | s/problem/program/ :) | 19:01 |
| lbt | sabotage: X-Fade is right | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | See, people come to me with problems more than programs lately :) | 19:01 |
| lbt | Surrounds is when you have multiple packages that depend on a library ... and there is a serious commitment to be a long-term maintainer | 19:02 |
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| arfoll | lbt, so i could submit xbmc to surrounds? | 19:03 |
| sabotage | lbt: X-Fade: ok, that's cool... really couldn't tell from the project descriptions | 19:03 |
| lbt | arfoll: no. same rule | 19:04 |
| lbt | what depends on it ? | 19:04 |
| X-Fade | sabotage: Yes needs better explanations. | 19:04 |
| arfoll | lbt, ah it's for libraries and such, so I coudl put all my deps for my XBMC package there? | 19:04 |
| arfoll | like lets say libmicrohttpd? | 19:05 |
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| X-Fade | sabotage: Declined it, just to test if that works :) | 19:05 |
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| sabotage | heh | 19:05 |
| sabotage | I just noticed ;) | 19:05 |
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| X-Fade | sabotage: As scratch doesn't depend on anything not in core, it should be ok for Extras anyway. | 19:06 |
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| sabotage | done | 19:07 |
| sabotage | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2 | 19:07 |
| lcuk | ooh helsinki meego meetup dec 1st | 19:07 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: yes I'll be there. | 19:08 |
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| * lcuk ponders how to get flights and a room | 19:09 | |
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| thp | anyone got a link to a good RPM packaging howto/tutorial? | 19:13 |
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| Macer | so how is the n900 port coming along? | 19:14 |
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| Macer | anything worth seriously using yet? | 19:14 |
| mortenmj | thp: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=rpm+packaging+tutorial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 19:14 |
| mortenmj | there's a bunch right there | 19:15 |
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| thp | mortenmj: thanks. but i was looking for recommendations of really good ones. i can obviously google myself :) | 19:16 |
| mortenmj | third one from the top, about the OBS, helped me | 19:16 |
| thp | mortenmj: url? (because google results seem to be sorted differently based on geographic locations and client config) | 19:17 |
| mortenmj | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial | 19:18 |
| mortenmj | if you have any specific questions, don't hesitate to ask | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: apparently the instructions for the n900 don't bother to say "please remember to uncompress the image before you try to dd it" | 19:19 |
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| thp | mortenmj: thanks a lot, will work through the tutorial first before bugging you with questions :) | 19:20 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: hahaha! | 19:22 |
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| Macer | timeless_mbp: sounds like a pretty important step :) | 19:23 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: but how functional is it? | 19:23 |
| Macer | still no modem and cams support | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: um, i dunno, a colleague indicated that he and a friend of his couldn't get it to work because of that | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not going to bother trying it until someone tells me "I followed the instructions on <link here> and it works perfectly" | 19:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry, for some insane reason... i expect my phone to <just work> | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it's really hard to explain, especially to some markets where people don't actually want to use phones to e.g. talk to other people | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: modem support's there, we can make calls | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: camera support, we have viewfinder working | 19:27 |
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| ali1234 | Macer: meego handset is still completely unusable for day to day | 19:29 |
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| mortenmj | Stskeeps: why exactly are we using ofono to make calls? using telepathy worked great in maemo, and we're still using telepathy for other things... | 19:30 |
| tripzero | good question | 19:32 |
| * tripzero points at sabotage and runs | 19:32 | |
| Stskeeps | mortenmj: i think the plan is to go for telepathy-ring but this didn't exist for ofono until recently | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | mortenmj: telepathy worked cos it communicated with a large blob of closed source telephony stack | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | right, ofono and telepathy are not the same thing at all, you need both in some form... | 19:33 |
| mortenmj | ah, i see. so the plan is to use telepathy on top of ofono? | 19:34 |
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| terracon | anything qt'ish that uses telepathy | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | i don't know about plans... but it would be nice | 19:36 |
| mortenmj | it would. and considering how much effort nokia went to developing telepathy-ring, i don't see why we wouldn't | 19:36 |
| mortenmj | i was just under the impression that we aren't currently... | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | isn't all of telepathy largely nokia sponsored? | 19:37 |
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| ali1234 | and ofono too for that matter | 19:37 |
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| mortenmj | it's developed by collabora. as for who pays them, i don't really know | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | they definitely take money from nokia :) | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but they also give away shirts :) | 19:39 |
| * w00t nods | 19:39 | |
| w00t | we have many shirts | 19:39 |
| mortenmj | i'd be surprised if they didn't get anything from nokia for their work | 19:39 |
| * timeless_mbp is wearing MeeGo Conf today | 19:39 | |
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| timeless_mbp | yesterday was um ... "green" ? | 19:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | CodeThink, I think :) | 19:39 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: wear that ninja, c'mon | 19:39 |
| w00t | :P | 19:40 |
| * arfoll only managed to get an XXL ninja... | 19:40 | |
| w00t | eheh | 19:40 |
| * lcuk is sure that the ideapads were geared to running meego :P | 19:40 | |
| mortenmj | xxl? the large was *huge* | 19:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | ninja?? | 19:40 |
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| w00t | I should have qualified "we have many shirts" with "so long as they're huge" | 19:40 |
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| arfoll | mortenmj, yep my gf uses it as pyjamas | 19:40 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: our err.. what's the word.. mascot is a ninja | 19:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: is this collabra? | 19:41 |
| mortenmj | timeless_mbp: why, the collabora codeninja, of course: http://www.collabora.co.uk/img/intro/index.png | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not actually sure i got a collabora shirt | 19:41 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: yes | 19:41 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't really unpacked yet | 19:41 | |
| w00t | if you didn't I will be so sad | 19:41 |
| mortenmj | i got mine, hells yeah | 19:41 |
| arfoll | i agree, it was way nicer than the qt tshirts | 19:42 |
| mortenmj | i should have gotten a qt shirt as well | 19:42 |
| * timeless_mbp didn't get a qt tshirt :( | 19:42 | |
| * w00t neither - but did get a shedload of stickers :) | 19:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | and i even was vaguely helpful @ the qt booth | 19:42 |
| arfoll | we can tell you guys aren't students ;-) | 19:42 |
| mortenmj | i totally am a student | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: i.e. not professional tshirt collectors? | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not quite retired, but i'm definitely out of practice | 19:42 |
| w00t | i've been putting them to good use by sticking them on everything from my phone to everything else :) | 19:42 |
| arfoll | mortenmj, wow you need to improve - how you gonna survive without tshirts? | 19:43 |
| arfoll | washing is expensive | 19:43 |
| w00t | lol | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll check, if i got the collabora one, if i didn't, i presume someone could include one for the next trip to HEL | 19:43 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, there are collaborans around you, not sure if theres a stock of shirts tho | 19:43 |
| mortenmj | arfoll: oh, i don't actually wear conference tshirts. they're for gym use | 19:44 |
| mortenmj | and working around the house | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | mortenmj: oh | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | that's poor form | 19:44 |
| mortenmj | sorry, but i try to blend in with the muggles | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you're taking something from them and not doing proper advertising in trade | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | do you wear a suit? | 19:44 |
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| mortenmj | not for work or anything, but whenever i get a chance, sure | 19:44 |
| arfoll | i think i only own free tshirts... either unicycling conventions or it conventions | 19:44 |
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| GAN900 | Anybody see the shot of the unreleased device? http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5199738403/ | 19:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:46 |
| arfoll | GAN900, isn't that an n900? | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: you have to read the stickers | 19:46 |
| w00t | lol | 19:46 |
| ColKilkenny | mmmm... beer | 19:46 |
| mortenmj | poor timeless_mbp only has an old N00 | 19:46 |
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| arfoll | lol ok | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | mortenmj: i heard rumor someone around the office has a newer version | 19:47 |
| mortenmj | and all the hot girls at the nokia store give him shit about it :( | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | if that is the new device, i firmly expect that the glass next to it is the alcohol fuel cell | 19:48 |
| lcuk | a pint of guinness for myself and half for my phone, its had a long day | 19:48 |
| mortenmj | intel atom powered? i look forward to a 30 second battery life | 19:48 |
| arfoll | loving the fact people call it a "device". is that hinting that the battery life is going to be so short that it wont qualify as a phone? | 19:49 |
| lcuk | arfoll, :) well, since Nokia n900 isnt a phone or a computer, device suits it quite well | 19:49 |
| GAN900 | arfoll, well, it still wont support MMS. :P | 19:49 |
| * lcuk has called it that from day-1 | 19:49 | |
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| mortenmj | while i like my n900, it's actually ridiculously complicated to make an old fashioned phonecall | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | I'm going to crop that shot and blurrycam it up a bit | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | then leak to Talk. | 19:50 |
| mortenmj | if i ever injured myself in a drunken stupor, and this could very well happen, i don't think i'd ever be able to dial 911 on it | 19:50 |
| arfoll | GAN900, i've had 4 phones that could do mms, none of them had worked | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | mortenmj, shortcutd. | 19:50 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, ? press phone, receive bacon. | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | Long press on camera button to bring up phone. | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | Also: short press to show dashboard. | 19:51 |
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| lcuk | open a console, insmod the driver, change user, download the new software, chmod it, run the script it offers, alt tab back to console, enter the number, done | 19:51 |
| lcuk | what could be more simple? | 19:51 |
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| mortenmj | i'm convinced this phone will kill me | 19:52 |
| mortenmj | i'll try to dial 911, fail, and die | 19:52 |
| arfoll | mortenmj, email them | 19:52 |
| lcuk | HAHA | 19:52 |
| w00t | evolution in action i say | 19:52 |
| mortenmj | see, that's a lot easier in maemo actually | 19:52 |
| mortenmj | w00t: i have to navigate to the right desktop, press the phone icon, select the dial pad, and type the number | 19:52 |
| w00t | mortenmj: btw, wouldn't you be kind of screwed dialling 911 where you are anyhow? :P | 19:53 |
| mortenmj | yeah i'd be boned no matter what | 19:53 |
| lcuk | mortenmj, you removed the phone app from the menu available on any desktop? | 19:53 |
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| mortenmj | there's a menu available on any desktop? | 19:53 |
| w00t | no, but you can add shortcuts to applications | 19:53 |
| mortenmj | i don't think i removed that, but if i did, how do i add it again? | 19:53 |
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| mortenmj | well yeah. i could have a phone shortcut on all my desktops | 19:54 |
| w00t | so for me, turn screen on, press phone icon, I have a phone | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | some people use the launch phone by turning | 19:54 |
| lcuk | but I find a wrist strap helps | 19:54 |
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| w00t | (in fact, phone app is usually the first thing focused anyway, as I use it most often) | 19:54 |
| GAN900 | shortcutd! | 19:55 |
| mortenmj | w00t: focused? not following. are we talking about maemo, or meego? | 19:55 |
| lcuk | thp, now can you do the same on meego, since that was where you were meant to be building for :P | 19:55 |
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| w00t | mortenmj: maemo | 19:56 |
| w00t | as in, I switch screen on, phone app is running and in the foreground | 19:56 |
| mortenmj | oh, right. you always leave it running | 19:57 |
| w00t | well yeah, i basically never close things :) | 19:57 |
| w00t | I have 12 applications (not windows, apps) open at the moment | 19:57 |
| mortenmj | hm. i wish i could mark a group of shortcuts and somehow have them show on all desktops | 19:57 |
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| X-Fade | wtf. Got kicked off :) | 20:00 |
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| mortenmj | that picture of the alleged N9 raises an interesting question. now that nokia and intel are working together, how hard will intel push to have nokia use the atom on their phones? | 20:01 |
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| mortenmj | how hard are they pushing already? | 20:02 |
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| GAN900 | When will XChat get connection migration savvy. . . . | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: That is called screen + irssi on a server ;) | 20:33 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, don't like irssi on here. | 20:36 |
| Kaadlajk | client of the future! | 20:37 |
| * CosmoHill uses X-Chat Aqua :) | 20:37 | |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, Adium. | 20:37 |
| CosmoHill | I have that too but I don't use it for irc | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | Better than XChat | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | I upgraded to leopard a few months ago | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | sooner or later I'll have to move over to linux but that will depend upon how long my powerbook lasts for | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | in printf, what is a double? | 20:51 |
| mihero | %f | 20:53 |
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| Mikho | same as float | 20:53 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 20:53 |
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| pupnik | look at this and engage brain http://www.google.com/trends?q=meego | 20:57 |
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| pupnik | we are chunks of matter typing to each other | 21:04 |
| pupnik | that's pretty cool | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Not even that, just IP addresses sending shit to each other | 21:05 |
| RST38h | There is no evidence that you are anything but an IP address =) | 21:05 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: if you blind yourself to .. thought... sure | 21:11 |
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| pupnik | so we chunks of matter want to share our life experiences with one another | 21:12 |
| pupnik | to not be alone in our experience | 21:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: A true scientist is supposed to free himself from all bias and not make a single smallest assumption! | 21:13 |
| * RST38h cackles | 21:13 | |
| pupnik | that doesn't apply to descriptions of our internal state | 21:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So, from the scientific point of view we are IP addresses exchanging data packets mostly containing sequences of numbers in 32..126 range | 21:14 |
| pupnik | that is a so-called 'behaviorist' model of philosophy - yes | 21:15 |
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| pupnik | but you can make more reasonable assumptions based on your limited information | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | you can probably build a huge mo@#%$ing bayesian network to predict the type of data that will follow given data | 21:15 |
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| pupnik | sometimes two people respond with the same answer to a question | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Let us assume the are the same guy! | 21:16 |
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| pupnik | in some ways, we are | 21:16 |
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| * csdb looks at the google trend and wonders what caused the spike in 2004 | 21:23 | |
| Stskeeps | of meego? | 21:24 |
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| csdb | yeah - if you look at the link that pupnik sent a little while ago (http://www.google.com/trends?q=meego) there is a spike in '04 which is higher than the spike after the initial MeeGo announcement in 2010 | 21:25 |
| csdb | meego must have meant something different in 2004 | 21:26 |
| csdb | or people were already planning... | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | chile centered, mostly | 21:28 |
| stephg | social networking ;) | 21:28 |
| * stephg affects south american accent | 21:28 | |
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| csdb | maybe this was all the rage in '04: http://www.meegos.com/ | 21:32 |
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| csdb | or DJ Meego had his 15 minutes of fame: http://www.myspace.com/djmeego1 | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, meegos were all the rage in 2004 | 21:33 |
| lcuk | it was the tv show | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | even i recall them | 21:33 |
| lcuk | ooh yeah Stskeeps | 21:34 |
| lcuk | also walter meego band from 2004 | 21:37 |
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| Myrtti | myyyhhh | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | evening fiferboy | 21:47 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: Good afternoon :) | 21:47 |
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| Myrtti | second day of working at the office in three years... didnt realise or remember it was this exhausting... | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | working from a sofa does spoil you | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | it does... | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | though i work by a desk at home too | 21:49 |
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| qgil | Interesting comparing the MeeGo trends page with http://www.google.com/trends?q=android&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 | 21:52 |
| qgil | MeeGo speakes Finnish, Android speaks Korean - Swedish has the best average on both :) | 21:52 |
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| lbt | hey fiferboy | 21:54 |
| fiferboy | Hi lbt | 21:55 |
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| lbt | I didn't get out to enough community drinking events :) | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | lbt: I didn't get any ice cream! | 21:55 |
| lbt | can we have another conference with less talks and more evenings :D | 21:55 |
| lbt | ah... we found icecream in the bar area | 21:56 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Actually, I did have some Ben & Jerry's at lunch | 21:56 |
| lbt | that just kept us going to the italian stuff at night | 21:56 |
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| GAN900 | fiferboy, neither did I! | 21:58 |
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| GAN900 | Jipped in BCN, too. | 21:58 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: I didn't think nearly perfect automatons needed ice cream... | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, need and want are two different things. | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | Good point | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | lbt, and the unconference day got killed by Lenovos. | 21:59 |
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| lbt | it did a bit | 22:00 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, shoulda come to the football reception. | 22:00 |
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| lbt | I agree | 22:00 |
| lbt | that was a mistake | 22:00 |
| GAN900 | We had lots of fun with our free Guinness. | 22:00 |
| * lbt hits rewind on his lenovo | 22:00 | |
| * lbt files a bug that he's not back in dublin after hitting rewind | 22:00 | |
| lcuk | the football was sweet | 22:01 |
| GAN900 | Good rule for the next conference: manage to get the hardware for the giveaways on the days when nobody's doing collab stuff. | 22:01 |
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| * RevdKathy is cross she missed the footie | 22:02 | |
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| * lcuk explained the offside rule to non-fotball speaking folks | 22:03 | |
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| CosmoHill | :) | 22:04 |
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| Myrtti | "november coldness records may be rewritten, super cold front approaches" | 22:05 |
| lcuk | awesome Myrtti | 22:05 |
| lcuk | that means the sea will freeze | 22:05 |
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| * RevdKathy doesn't really care for footie - but understands the offside rule. And worse, knows the laws of cricket | 22:05 | |
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| lbt | 'laws' :) | 22:06 |
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| RevdKathy | Does this mean that Hel will freeze over? | 22:06 |
| Myrtti | yup | 22:06 |
| lcuk | it does often | 22:06 |
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| GAN900 | RevdKathy, when doesn't HEL freeze over? | 22:16 |
| RevdKathy | Good point GAN900 | 22:16 |
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| RevdKathy | Next time someone tells me I can get a payrise when Hell freezes over I'll draw their attention to that | 22:17 |
| TomaszC | Hello | 22:18 |
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| GAN900 | How many of you are planning on trying to make SF? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | <- | 22:19 |
| leinir | Hmm... i would certainly not mind going, but... yeah, same problem as with dublin - need sponsorship :) | 22:19 |
| leinir | But if i get that, totally :) | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Sponsorship is going to be difficult | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | Long distance for a lot of contributors. | 22:20 |
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| GAN900 | Plus the whole Industry focus issue | 22:20 |
| leinir | Yeah | 22:20 |
| w00t | I might be there | 22:20 |
| w00t | we'll see | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | Doesn't leave a lot of money for unaffiliateds. | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | w00t, let's plan Beer ahead of time for this one. *g* | 22:20 |
| w00t | haha, good idea | 22:21 |
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| RevdKathy | Can someone tell me how to get back to normal view after I accidentally hit Alt+<fn|arrow> and get the virtual terminal? | 22:22 |
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| RevdKathy | It's one of the few things that makes me irritated with Meego | 22:23 |
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| leinir | RevdKathy: keep hitting it? :) | 22:23 |
| odin_ | from a VC back to X11? keep cycling Alt+Fx until you hit the display | 22:23 |
| RevdKathy | trouble is, I do it by accident, and need to work out exactly what I hit | 22:24 |
| RevdKathy | If I keep hitting it will bring me back? | 22:24 |
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| odin_ | Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? to get out X11=>VC was it | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, on my laptop its f7 | 22:25 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, think so. | 22:25 |
| lcuk | but thats not working on netbook | 22:25 |
| RevdKathy | I tried all the F buttons (yes, that's F - not F-ing) | 22:25 |
| w00t | afaik meego has fewer VTs | 22:25 |
| w00t | might be wrong | 22:26 |
| lcuk | ctrl+alt+f7 i mean | 22:26 |
| RevdKathy | ahh ok... I'll try that one, too | 22:26 |
| Chani | hey, has anyone seen any good movies lately? :) | 22:26 |
| RevdKathy | Anything rather than reboot, which is my only option currently | 22:26 |
| * Chani and pete are *completely* out of the loop these days | 22:26 | |
| lcuk | its ctrl+alt=f2 | 22:26 |
| Chani | no tv -> no ads -> no knowledge of upcoming movies | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | make up your mind! | 22:27 |
| lcuk | thanks w00t | 22:27 |
| lcuk | f7 on laptop | 22:27 |
| lcuk | f2 on netbook | 22:27 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:27 |
| w00t | :) | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | But thank you. Hopefully that will stop me getting cross | 22:27 |
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| RevdKathy | You wouldn't like me when I'm angrry | 22:27 |
| w00t | RevdKathy: just blame it on the bear :) | 22:27 |
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| ali1234 | use alt-left and alt-right | 22:27 |
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| ali1234 | maybe multiple times | 22:27 |
| ali1234 | it loops through all VTs so you don't need to know which one | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | w00t: I do - his big furry paws don't hit the keys cleanly | 22:28 |
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| pupnik | ali1234: how can you and i help computers be free | 22:28 |
| mihero | rare exports movie | 22:28 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, easy solution to that, adaptive virtual keyboard :P | 22:28 |
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| leinir | *nods* Not to mention his claws ripping keys off ) | 22:28 |
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| leinir | ;) | 22:28 |
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| pupnik | here's one great way | 22:28 |
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| pupnik | anyone involved with the meego project | 22:29 |
| RevdKathy | leinir it's the spludgy marks on the screen from his nose that annoy most | 22:29 |
| pupnik | who aids and abets any one interest or government organization | 22:29 |
| pupnik | to spy on our data | 22:29 |
| pupnik | shall be shot | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | btw, on meego, you don't need the ctrl modifier so just alt-f1 takes you to console | 22:29 |
| pupnik | how about that for the guidelines? | 22:29 |
| leinir | RevdKathy: Well, laptop keys are hard to reattach, but the marks can be wiped off... ;) | 22:29 |
| Chani | pupnik: so as long as I'm a double-agent I'm safe? ;) | 22:29 |
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| RevdKathy | True... but they get in the way! | 22:30 |
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| pupnik | well, if you impinge on our privacy you're a terrorist | 22:30 |
| pupnik | who must be killed without trial | 22:30 |
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| pupnik | right? | 22:30 |
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| * Chani notes that canada has a nasty way of getting around the no-spying-on-citizens thing: export the work to america :P | 22:30 | |
| lcuk | pupnik, wayyy out of the park :S dont introduce topics like that | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | lcuk: you'd be a great prison camp guard | 22:31 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, you want ##politics | 22:33 |
| pupnik | there is no hiding your head in the sand anymore | 22:33 |
| pupnik | you want north korea GAN900 ? | 22:33 |
| pupnik | you think this is seperable? | 22:33 |
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| pupnik | it's worthless unless it's a philosophy | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: please stay on topic, this is a channel about meego | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, let the poor MeeGons continue in their ignorance. | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: for politics, go to the relevant channels | 22:34 |
| odin_ | agreed | 22:35 |
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| pupnik | it's worthless unless it's a philosophy | 22:35 |
| lcuk | pupnik, if you want the kind of politics I like - we just got back from Ireland after a massively successful week, if every person arranges a local beer night and drinks guinness at it, perhaps in some way we can help the entire country since they are asking for monetary loan at the moment | 22:36 |
| pupnik | why do you think i'm talking about politics? | 22:36 |
| pupnik | i'm talking about communication | 22:37 |
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| RevdKathy | lcuk Works for me - when are we having a mass MeeGo sleepover at mine? | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | heh only if we can have bono playing in the attic again :P | 22:37 |
| RevdKathy | The old lady next door might not be impressed, but the sound would be muffled by all the bears | 22:38 |
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| RevdKathy | and beers | 22:38 |
| lcuk | invite her | 22:38 |
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| qgil | Trying to install MeeGo SDK in MeeGo, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/4mnDYURj | 22:38 |
| RevdKathy | She's social phobic and almost never leaves the house. Mind she's also fairly deaf | 22:38 |
| qgil | note the extra "/" in the URL | 22:38 |
| lcuk | qgil, double // in the url | 22:39 |
| lcuk | missing a hostname potentially | 22:39 |
| lcuk | hm | 22:39 |
| qgil | I'm following the instructions at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#On_MeeGo | 22:39 |
| lcuk | it doubled it after you said one without a double slash | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: wget of same url works? | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | also qgil, addrepo normally expects "zypper addrepo [url] [name]" | 22:40 |
| lcuk | hm | 22:41 |
| qgil | wget command not found............. | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, hopefully Bono doesn't try to shake hands with my throat again. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | GAN900, you shouldnt have tried to kiss The Edge then | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | qgil: ok, from web browser then :P | 22:42 |
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| AstralStorm | Stskeeps: any usable image to flash? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | theres something going on between the command line specified and what zypper tries to use | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | AstralStorm: n900 yes, n8x0 no | 22:43 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: yes, somethng shows up - copy&pasted at http://pastebin.com/nS9WkaGW (below) | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: hmm. you're not on a nokia network by chance? proxy and such | 22:45 |
| qgil | Stskeeps: of course I am | 22:46 |
| qgil | :) | 22:46 |
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| qgil | anyway, in fact my problem is that I need qmlviewer - and after installing the last Qt Creator it doesn't show up | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: so it seems like the shell isnt getting set up with http_proxy environment variables then, hmm | 22:47 |
| qgil | Qt Quick is being faster for developing than for actually seeing the app, in my case ;) | 22:47 |
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| AstralStorm | Stskeeps: bummer :( | 22:48 |
| qgil | I was even wondering how difficult would it be to browse a .qml "web page" online with a qtwebkit based browser... | 22:49 |
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| Kaadlajk | zypper ar http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/meego/1.1 meegosdk | 22:51 |
| Kaadlajk | might work | 22:51 |
| Kaadlajk | dont have meego/fedora to try on | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | qgil: export http_proxy=http://hostname:port before running zypper command, hostname:ip being whatever the proxy is called in your part of the world. should work then | 22:53 |
| Kaadlajk | ofc there might be a proxy problem | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hostname:port, i mean | 22:54 |
| qgil | lemme see Stskeeps (thank in advance) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, whats the // come from in the url? | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: bug prolly | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: irrelevant for fetching | 22:55 |
| lcuk | g/me nods | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | damn nipple | 22:56 |
| lcuk | -g | 22:56 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | qgil: please do not pollute the web with nonstandard file formats | 22:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | kthx | 22:57 |
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| w00t | I was talking with some people about getting Qt to render using HTML5 <canvas> calls the other week | 22:57 |
| Kaadlajk | you should also be able to copy that repo file to /etc/zypp/repos.d/ | 22:57 |
| w00t | that was a fun discussion | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: did you hear about GL pain? | 22:58 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: hmm? | 22:58 |
| qgil | see timeless_mbp , problem solved :) | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:58 |
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| jespada_ | Hi, is there a "way" or a meego way to instalkl jre on meego 1.1 ? | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | java runtime enviroment? | 23:02 |
| jespada_ | yup | 23:02 |
| jespada_ | or just grab a .rpm from fedora and install it | 23:03 |
| jespada_ | ? | 23:03 |
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| qgil | jespada_: have you checked http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=926 (found after searching "jre meego") | 23:08 |
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| jespada_ | qgil, thanks for the link.. | 23:11 |
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| RevdKathy | 'Night all | 23:12 |
| lcuk | gnite RevdKathy | 23:12 |
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| qgil | w00t: URL of the repo where I can download qmlviewer, or where to start searching please? | 23:14 |
| qgil | I can only find gitorious | 23:14 |
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| w00t | qgil: it's in the default repo I think, unless it's in the handset one only | 23:14 |
| qgil | ah, you mean meego repo | 23:14 |
| w00t | yeah | 23:14 |
| w00t | sorry, should have been clear :) | 23:14 |
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| qgil | w00t: this looks good http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/meego/trunk/i586/meego-sdk-qt-qmlviewer-4.7.0-1.14.i586.rpm | 23:16 |
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| w00t | qgil: :) | 23:18 |
| w00t | it was one of the first things I installed too | 23:18 |
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| w00t | Jaffa: doesn't it emit signals over dbus? | 23:28 |
| w00t | i might be *completely* wrong | 23:28 |
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| marnanel | in case anyone would like to play with a cleverer version of the predictive-text keyboard, which uses Dasher as the back end: http://marnanel.org/DasherKeyboard/ | 23:29 |
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| w00t | marnanel: do you have some algorithm that works over the entire string, not just one word? | 23:31 |
| w00t | the longer my line gets, the slower it gets | 23:31 |
| marnanel | w00t: this version actually does work over only one word; the real thing works over the whole string | 23:32 |
| marnanel | w00t: the reason it worked faster for your first word is that you typed a word that someone had already typed, so it was in cache (I have the log in another window) | 23:32 |
| w00t | ah :) | 23:33 |
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| * marnanel watches the load on the webserver climbing. top - 16:54:28 up 186 days, 4:42, 4 users, load average: 26.01, 8.33, 3.24 | 23:54 | |
| CosmoHill | ouch | 23:55 |
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| CosmoHill | those google bots are evil | 23:55 |
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