| lcuk | sivang, talk to texrat | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | he is musical and had similar idea | 00:00 |
| tybollt | anyway what struck me about meego, regardless of the current state of things (all projects at broken in the beginining I guess) is that it's not very sharp, glossy, posh. Something I thought maemo did surprisingly well | 00:00 |
| thiago_home | sivang: ok, I can talk to amy about that :-) | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, Sunday night we were chatting with Quim, he askes me "So, Ryan, what's your outlooking on MeeGo these days?" | 00:00 |
| sivang | lcuk: already did | 00:00 |
| lcuk | but they must be digital meego instruments | 00:00 |
| sivang | thiago_home: great :) | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | i spoke to karoliina about it | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | *deep breath* "Well--" | 00:00 |
| thiago_home | sivang: though "form a band" is dawn's territory :-) | 00:00 |
| tybollt | GAN900: I actually meant the handset UX | 00:00 |
| lcuk | and jussi has an interest always | 00:00 |
| sivang | thiago_home: hehe | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | and Quim says "Excuse me" and runs off to talk to Amy. | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | rofl | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, unusable on my N900. | 00:00 |
| thiago_home | GAN900: :-) | 00:00 |
| sivang | thiago_home: was great to be meeting you eventually, and to see how hard you tried to listen to people and guide through | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | GAN900: I think I used that excuse myself too | 00:01 |
| sivang | thiago_home: thank you | 00:01 |
| Cygoku | How do I install Brasero for Meego under my Netbook ?? | 00:01 |
| Cygoku | How do I install Brasero for Meego under my Netbook ?? | 00:01 |
| tybollt | GAN900: it started on mine.. | 00:01 |
| tybollt | not much more but :) | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | Cygoku: stop asking. There's no Brasero in MeeGo. | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | GAN900: don't remember who I was talking to, but I did switch conversations to talk to Amy | 00:01 |
| Cygoku | Well, if I insert a blank dvd it says to Install Brasero. | 00:01 |
| Cygoku | And there is none ?? | 00:01 |
| thiago_home | Cygoku: no, there isn't | 00:02 |
| Cygoku | And Meego is distributated at large ?? | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | Cygoku: yes | 00:02 |
| Cygoku | Then how can I burn a cd ?? | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | Cygoku: you can't. There are no programs to do that. | 00:02 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo doesn't package all applications. | 00:02 |
| sivang | Cygoku: you can try with epel or so | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: X-P | 00:02 |
| sivang | Cygoku: enable it and attempt installation, but not sure about deps | 00:02 |
| niala | zypper install brasero | 00:03 |
| sivang | niala: thanks for the reply | 00:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | arfoll: well, his slides are shiny | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | very shiny | 00:04 |
| niala | sivang: it was the good reply ? | 00:04 |
| sivang | niala: yes, I was just wondering about the 64bitness of this specific netbook, hence replied on the ML | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, the next time I talked to Quim it was when he asked me if I had a battery in my camera at the football reception while I was taking a picture of fiferboy's Guinness. | 00:05 |
| sivang | niala: but I guess that's already there by the arch detection through zypper? | 00:05 |
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| GAN900 | To which I responded "Yes" and he ran off with his armfull of batteries. | 00:05 |
| thiago_home | GAN900: what did you answer, "no, I'm just playing with an unpowered camera" ? :-) | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, apparently it's what he thought, because I got to keep my battery. | 00:06 |
| thiago_home | he wasn't taking batteries | 00:06 |
| thiago_home | he was giving them back | 00:06 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 00:06 |
| tybollt | Seriously | 00:06 |
| GAN900 | Who took them? | 00:06 |
| thiago_home | the stadium people were taking them | 00:06 |
| niala | sivang: there is no 64 specificaly | 00:06 |
| GAN900 | Ah, interesting. | 00:07 |
| thiago_home | image rights for the match | 00:07 |
| sivang | niala: ok, thanks | 00:07 |
| tybollt | should we settle for an UX in the new OS that looks and feels WORSE than what we currently have? I'm very very sceptical | 00:07 |
| GAN900 | Was a bit strange | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:07 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: which slides? | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | You just can't have lenses longer than 12" in stadiums here. | 00:07 |
| tybollt | did nokia fire the graphics guys from maemo? | 00:07 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise they don't care. | 00:07 |
| GAN900 | How did Quim manage to negotiate rights for Conf attendees? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | how did they treat iPhones? | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | iphones have really bad cameras | 00:08 |
| lcuk | dropped them accidentally into beer and replaced with n900s | 00:08 |
| thiago_home | they let the N8s in, so why would they restrict iphones? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard it's not exactly easy to remove battery on these critters | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :-) | 00:09 |
| thiago_home | and it's about cameras with good zoom | 00:09 |
| GAN900 | Got a video of the MeeGo advert during the game. | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 00:09 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: URL? | 00:09 |
| sivang | thiago_home: N8 has one of the best cameras a phone has on the market, affectionatly referred to a "camera with a phone" | 00:09 |
| lcuk | GAN900, the meego football UX was simply awesome | 00:09 |
| sivang | lcuk: indeed, I was excited to see it every time | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | sivang: the best camera a phone has on the market | 00:10 |
| thiago_home | for now, at least | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, will upload it tonight. | 00:10 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: yes, beats some proper cameras that are not providing phone functionality | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | I would strongly dislike using an EOS camera as a phone | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | so um.. | 00:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | did anyone else save their ideapad windows install? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LOL | 00:12 |
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| * timeless_mbp is impressed by their note thingy | 00:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | it lets you scribble, record audio, record video | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and combine them on a desktop like surface | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | very finger friendly | 00:12 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I wanted to, but, well got swapped in anti-w excitment after I reazlied I can use the license on other machines perhaps | 00:13 |
| sivang | ;) | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | r | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | Don't they have an Android phone now that's basically a point'n'shoot with a phone addon? | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | the license, sure | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but getting the lenovo software would probably be harder | 00:13 |
| smoku | how do I import a package from one OBS to another? | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: probably | 00:13 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: I saved my W7 Starter on some DVD-ROM's, but it's not on the hard drive. | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | Windows 7 Starter! | 00:13 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: intel people did not look at me nicely when I told them I want to resize and keep windows, noting the prtitioner is broken in that repsect | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: hrm, how'd you manage that? | 00:14 |
| sivang | :) | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | my idea pad was missing the dvd burner | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | that's what i wanted to do | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: purchased an external DVD burner. | 00:14 |
| sivang | there's an idea pad with a dvd burner? | 00:14 |
| gabrbedd | needed one anyway. | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | *just* for this? | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | sivang, think I got a good picture of your unboxing. | 00:15 |
| gabrbedd | No, not *just* for this... but when doing lots of work with netbooks/tablets -- it's the easy way out of a lot of tight spots. | 00:15 |
| sivang | GAN900: ohh nice :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | GAN900, add to the flickr group perhaps? | 00:15 |
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| sivang | I have some N900 photos as well | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, just dumped the camera this morning | 00:15 |
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| sivang | I will add eventually to flicker group | 00:15 |
| GAN900 | Need to post before I upload. | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, :( why, I thought you liked it | 00:16 |
| pupnik | when doing a lot of work with tablets, spare batteries in pocket makes long life | 00:16 |
| sivang | GAN900: ah, not I realize who you are :) | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: indeed | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Got lots of photos of the conf. Not nearly enough of Dublin. :( | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: i was hoping to find a virtual dvd burner | 00:16 |
| * GAN900 wasn't comfortable flashing super camera around on the streets. | 00:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | but i kept searching and searching... | 00:16 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: LOL. | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | sivang, pfft. | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: there are virtual readers.... | 00:16 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: but for me, it was worth the $50 bucks. | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you picked it up state-side? | 00:17 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: Now that I remember, Lenovo's system restore software sucked really bad.... | 00:17 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: and I had to put them on CD-R's. | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | 17? | 00:17 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: A BUNCH of CD-R's. | 00:17 |
| sivang | GAN900: well, I couldn't find time to actualy go around the streets enough, I almost missed flight back for being too relaxed on thursday taking a tour bus trip | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc that's what it asked for | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | sivang, after Dawn's fist community talk, a group of us went upstairs and were chatting. timsamoff asked "So, does anybody know who that GAN900 person was?" | 00:17 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: Yeah, I think 17. | 00:17 |
| sivang | GAN900: heh, oh btw, s/not/now/ | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | sivang, hehe | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: heh | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | sivang, either way. ;) | 00:18 |
| sivang | GAN900: it was nice meeting finally, even for an friction | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: sorry, i can't believe you actually went the CDR path | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | that's *insane* :) | 00:18 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: (1) didn't want to just delete W7 | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | sivang, far too many people I didn't meet, and more who I didn't get to talk to nearly long enough. | 00:18 |
| sivang | GAN900: were you at some point involved with Ubuntu ? I thought I remembered you from one of the UDSs | 00:18 |
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| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: (2) knew I might screw up one day... and delete the hdd | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | sivang, nope. | 00:19 |
| sivang | GAN900: same, too much people | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: can't argue w/ (1) -- i still haven't :) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | OMG another GAN clone | 00:19 |
| lcuk | thats the 4th this month | 00:19 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: (3) Tried like 5 times with DVD and their software kept failing. | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | that's scary | 00:19 |
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| GAN900 | sivang, all of those damn OEMs filling up all the room. | 00:19 |
| smoku | BTW, how did you managed to charge your ideapads using this uk plug that was included? :> | 00:19 |
| thiago_home | smoku: with plug adaptors | 00:19 |
| sivang | GAN900: heh, noted | 00:19 |
| arfoll | smoku, easy in an english plug | 00:19 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: (4) tired of wasting time and gave the CDR's a shot. Worked. Done. Case closed. :-) | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, got one of you unboxing, too. | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | :D awesome | 00:20 |
| lcuk | meta pic of me taking a photo of my unboxing? | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: which flavor did you burn? | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm assuming that was the official restore | 00:20 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of the backup flavors | 00:20 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: Yeah. The official, I think. | 00:20 |
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| sivang | gabrbedd: t43 had the same backup. tedious, annoying | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: since you've done it, could i convince you to make iso's and let me slurp? | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, don't recall | 00:21 |
| * timeless_mbp would vaguely like to skip hunting for a burner and wasting 17 blanks | 00:21 | |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, hm | 00:21 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: Sorry, but no. :-) Not only is it illegal... but would take too much time to set up. | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | I was setting up my Lenovo, and realized "Oh shit, I'm sitting in a sea of Maemo people with new laptops. *snap snap snap* | 00:22 |
| w00t | GAN900: hmm? | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | gabrbedd: hrm, in this case i was hoping people would claim it isn't illegal | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | since we each know we have a license | 00:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | but no matter | 00:22 |
| * timeless_mbp will have to find some usb stick w/ decent partitioning support | 00:23 | |
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| sivang | GAN900: reading about apple's process was interesting (I posted a link before) I wonder if we could do something like this in a bit of crowd sourced fashion. | 00:23 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, technically you can request restore disks from lenovo can't you? | 00:23 |
| gabrbedd | timeless_mbp: According to Microsoft's EULA... I can't even let my kids look at it without the express writeen consent of Major League Baseball. | 00:23 |
| andybleaden | sivang, in what way? | 00:23 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, you want to put windows back on a lenovo? | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: dunno, someone thought you'd have to pay for the priv | 00:24 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk, timeless_mbp: I think you can... and I think they charge for them. | 00:24 |
| lcuk | not at all andybleaden | 00:24 |
| lcuk | I was just mentioning | 00:24 |
| * lcuk will work through the meego netbook issues and get handset working on it etc | 00:24 | |
| sivang | andybleaden: have you read the document I linked earlier this evening? | 00:24 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, good job too.took windows off of too many lenovo | 00:25 |
| lcuk | some folks will be happy to just iron out netbook, others will push more for handset and thats cool :) | 00:25 |
| sivang | I'm also going to get the MTF onto it for vkeyboard and good stuff | 00:25 |
| sivang | :) | 00:25 |
| marnanel | UI question. When you have an app which is maximised so you can't see the MeeGo taskbar with the icons on it you can press Super (/Windows) to get the taskbar back. Is there anything you can do with the pointer to get the taskbar back in that situation? | 00:25 |
| andybleaden | sivang, not yetonly just come on xchat | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | w00t, what hmm? | 00:25 |
| sivang | andybleaden: just hover the pointer to the top part of the screen | 00:25 |
| sivang | err | 00:26 |
| w00t | marnanel: try hit y=0 repeatedly until you get a toolbar | 00:26 |
| sivang | marnanel: ^ | 00:26 |
| w00t | (and try to not hit anything else) | 00:26 |
| andybleaden | sivang, can you repost link | 00:26 |
| marnanel | aha. will try. thanks | 00:26 |
| lcuk | sivang, "hover pointer" | 00:26 |
| lcuk | not practical | 00:26 |
| w00t | (also, hello marnanel!) | 00:26 |
| marnanel | w00t: hello :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | autohide toolbars are the devil in touch ui | 00:26 |
| sivang | lcuk: sincea touch interface? | 00:26 |
| * marnanel goes to cook dinner | 00:26 | |
| lcuk | without some nobble (like maemo) to open it and a lock button to keep it there ;) | 00:26 |
| sivang | lcuk: ah, oka | 00:26 |
| lcuk | sivang, you cant realistically/happily open the meego top bar in tablet mode | 00:27 |
| lcuk | because it needs cursor at y=0 | 00:27 |
| lcuk | which is tough with a bezel | 00:27 |
| sivang | andybleaden: http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/publications/magazine/6/4/you_cant_innovate_like_apple | 00:27 |
| sivang | lcuk: ok | 00:27 |
| lcuk | biggest missing feature whilst doing stuff on netbook | 00:27 |
| w00t | lcuk: i maintain it's the devil even without a touch ui | 00:27 |
| lcuk | missing clock | 00:27 |
| w00t | it's confusing to have key ui elements vanish | 00:28 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:28 |
| sivang | lcuk: I've been using both touch and keyboard(touchpad) so had no issue in hovering pointer | 00:28 |
| lcuk | the nice one is on the app list/launcher, you have to try and guess where the pin to favorites icon will be when you tap | 00:28 |
| andybleaden | sivang, cheers.will have a look | 00:28 |
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| thebootroo | i agree : no autohide in meego handset plz | 00:28 |
| sivang | andybleaden: great | 00:29 |
| lcuk | sivang, if you are using it in laptop mode, then the topbar is less useful to you | 00:29 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, it is hard enough with the touchpad and tongue stuck out! | 00:29 |
| lcuk | it should be on the bottom so that it becomes an extension row of keys | 00:29 |
| sivang | anyway, back to nodeload/nodejs | 00:29 |
| lcuk | and easily usable whilst keeping hands near keyboard | 00:29 |
| lcuk | andybleaden, the touchpad is not nice I try best to ignore it | 00:29 |
| sivang | lcuk: indeed. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i made a few notes on my wiki talk page | 00:30 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Lcuk | 00:30 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, I still have to use a lenovo s10-2 so touchpad is all I have .mind you with cumberland sausages for fingers I am not sure what use a touch screen would be | 00:31 |
| lcuk | :) andybleaden sausage fingers work well for touch | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | but not for fiddly ui | 00:31 |
| sivang | andybleaden: did we meet at the conf btw? | 00:32 |
| andybleaden | sivang, nope.could not go.been on meego/moblin for a while | 00:32 |
| andybleaden | sivang, and been on meego netbook forums since launch as andybleaden :) | 00:33 |
| sivang | andybleaden: ah, k :) | 00:33 |
| * lcuk thought lenovos had nipples | 00:34 | |
| andybleaden | *nope those are people | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: great notes | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | => bugs? | 00:35 |
| lcuk | yes sure | 00:35 |
| lcuk | just organising myself | 00:36 |
| lcuk | i had no internet on it and only gedit to type with | 00:36 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 00:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | err | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | were you one of those "I do not like the red stripe" people | 00:36 |
| * timeless_mbp bets lcuk was | 00:36 | |
| lcuk | i have installed the red stripe | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | i made those notes elsewhere | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i wrote a "how to launch apps and manage files using a Gecko browser" while in Flight | 00:37 |
| lcuk | at the conf I tried my best not to use device | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | we had a platform w/o a file manager | 00:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | but we had Gecko :) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | we were there to talk with people and I dont like having my head buried in a laptop | 00:37 |
| andybleaden | Have you all with new lenovos got your wifi sorted then | 00:37 |
| leinir | lcuk: there was networking to be done of the squishy human interaction sort ;) | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | andybleaden: there was a choice | 00:37 |
| andybleaden | been a pain with my lenovo for the last 12 months | 00:37 |
| andybleaden | choice!? | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | purists took the stripe free usb stick = no wifi | 00:38 |
| lcuk | yes leinir and a great much of it did do :) | 00:38 |
| leinir | *nods* :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | did you get Ians email address/number? | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | sane people picked the red striped usb stick = binary wifi drivers | 00:38 |
| leinir | i got his email, yeah :) | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | andybleaden: choice | 00:38 |
| andybleaden | timeless_mbp, cool | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | that was rather well done actually | 00:38 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, most of day 2's batch was Atheros | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | my biggest complaint is that they gave people UK plugs | 00:38 |
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| GAN900 | If not all of them. | 00:38 |
| GAN900 | And UK layouts. | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | thankfully work had spare EU plugs :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, thats not a problem realistically since the shipment came from uk | 00:39 |
| andybleaden | GAN900, does not the whol | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: better than FI layouts! | 00:39 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | minor - next time it could be taken into consideration | 00:39 |
| andybleaden | GAN900, whole world use UK plugs :P | 00:39 |
| lcuk | perhaps a percentge of adapters from regions | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | andybleaden: small world | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yeah | 00:39 |
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| andybleaden | timeless_mbp, too right | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia fwiw in the past has considered this when giving out devices | 00:39 |
| * timeless_mbp is starting to appreciate nokia for doing that | 00:40 | |
| lcuk | since those cables are standard | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | "standard" | 00:40 |
| lcuk | you can get them for a few euros/dollars in most computer shops | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't have any of this netbook cable lying around my house | 00:40 |
| leinir | timeless_mbp: this time was apparently slightly odd, as they had other plans which didn't come through | 00:40 |
| lcuk | ok not standard but not really odd and needs mailorder | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | we forgot the plugs when we gave out N8s in San Francisco | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | leinir: oh? interesting | 00:40 |
| leinir | cloverleaf ones? Sure, they're pretty standard | 00:40 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: there's much more than that to appreciate nokia for :) | 00:40 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, all the laptops in our house have similar! | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: doh | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | I'll put it in the to-do list for the next give-aways | 00:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | thiago: please do :) | 00:40 |
| leinir | thiago_home: ooops :) | 00:41 |
| thiago_home | leinir: they were EU plugs in the US | 00:41 |
| sivang | thiago_home: N8 giveaways in san fran? woo | 00:41 |
| andybleaden | timeless_mbp, mind you after 12 months I have learnt broadcom hacking in ubuntu/kubuntu/fedora/moblin/meego/suse/smeegol and even chrome os | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | leinir: i have oo, o=o, o=oo, plus the mac chargers | 00:41 |
| w00t_ | realistically speaking - free hardware, and you're complaining about the charger? :-P | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: i have an iPod touch | 00:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find its charger | 00:42 |
| sivang | I am always prepared with adaptors, so never problem to me | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | do you know how useful it is to me today? | 00:42 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: if you don't want it, I'll be glad to take it off of you | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:42 |
| kyb3R | :) | 00:42 |
| w00t_ | I have no charger either, but I can most likely get one very easily | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | technically i think nokia owns it... | 00:42 |
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| andybleaden | timeless_mbp, strange when I bought my lenovo it came with uk and eu plugs | 00:43 |
| w00t_ | point being I'd rather pay X.00 to XX.00 for a charger than XXX.00 for the hardware, retail | 00:43 |
| sivang | w00t_== | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | andybleaden: interesting | 00:43 |
| w00t_ | (in my case, it's actually no problem as I travel so often I have so many goddamn adapters for various countries..) | 00:43 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: sure | 00:43 |
| lcuk | andybleaden, thats a nice touch | 00:43 |
| w00t_ | ironically enough | 00:43 |
| w00t_ | despite living in the UK right now, I have more european cables than UK ones | 00:44 |
| w00t_ | I've had to start using EU->UK adapters | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 00:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | i learned ages ago to just have power strips | 00:44 |
| w00t_ | I have no idea how that happened | 00:44 |
| andybleaden | timeless_mbp, might be or it was a dodgy plug! did you all sort out your 3g phone sim thing.tried a normal phone sim..got stuck...doh! | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and adapters for the strip plug | 00:44 |
| lcuk | w00t_, as timeless pointer out: get a power strip in the style all your stuff is and use a single localised convertor | 00:44 |
| timeless_mbp | andybleaden: mostly yeah | 00:44 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: could do, but I don't have a european power strip at present :-) | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | after yelling at a clerk in a brick+mortar store for lying to me | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: that can be solved | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i could have left one behind | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i brought two.. | 00:45 |
| w00t_ | I'll probably try pick one up at christmas | 00:45 |
| * lcuk still giggles at emphasis the conf badges had on first names | 00:45 | |
| andybleaden | get on t'ebay | 00:45 |
| * w00t_ will be going to norway as usual | 00:45 | |
| w00t_ | lcuk: I'm still waiting for you to /nick luck | 00:46 |
| leinir | lcuk: Yeah, first names, and no irc nicks ;) | 00:46 |
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| sivang | w00t_: there's someone by that nick already | 00:46 |
| w00t_ | leinir: mine had w00t on it, in brackets (because I thought to put it on there) | 00:46 |
| lcuk | w00t_, luck comes in here already | 00:46 |
| * lcuk started the conference with luck | 00:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yeah well | 00:46 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: right, point being that he can take lcuk, and we'll all then be really confused | 00:46 |
| timeless_mbp | did people comment clearly on that? | 00:47 |
| leinir | w00t_: And mine had leinir on it, because it's part of my name... but still :) | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 00:47 |
| lcuk | w00t_, many people found out timeless_mbp's first name! | 00:47 |
| andybleaden | were all of you who went to meegoconf developers then | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | I don't think I met timeless_mbp, unfortunately. still | 00:47 |
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| lcuk | andybleaden, a lot of us were yeah | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: i missed slaine too | 00:47 |
| andybleaden | hmmm | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | we need to make shopping lists of people to meet | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: I had one, but the problem is.. there were *so* many interesting people.. | 00:47 |
| w00t_ | that plus the talks meant I was already rushed off my feet | 00:47 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, he was real helpful with moblin for me.big into IVI if I remember | 00:48 |
| w00t_ | plus taking ~2 hours of Qt exams on monday didn't help | 00:48 |
| lcuk | andybleaden, a guy called luck? | 00:48 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, nope glen (slaine) | 00:48 |
| lcuk | ahh cross talking about things | 00:49 |
| lcuk | digital badges with location would be good | 00:49 |
| lcuk | "where is w00t" | 00:49 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, sorry | 00:49 |
| lcuk | "where is lcuk" | 00:49 |
| sivang | no need,there are enough mobile apps for that :) | 00:49 |
| lcuk | "Gary is in the presedential suite" | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | not badges... | 00:49 |
| lcuk | sivang, gps doesnt work indoors | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | bluetooth mesh networks | 00:50 |
| lcuk | ++ | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you tell your phone who you want to meet | 00:50 |
| sivang | lcuk: in door positioning using bluetooth or wifi | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | I also think that at the next conference | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | badges should be much bigger | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | and NEON FLASHING | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it finds out who's nearby | 00:50 |
| sivang | lcuk: digia has experience with setups like this | 00:50 |
| lcuk | then I will talk with them some more then | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | because I got sick of peering at someone trying to work out who they were for like 40 seconds | 00:50 |
| sivang | specifically, wifi in door positioning | 00:50 |
| andybleaden | w00t, or tshirts with names on | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and tells you who's on your list nearby | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, some of the lanyards were so long it almost felt like looking at crotch | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | granted, I also need new glasses, or contacts | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: it takes me 50+s :) | 00:50 |
| w00t_ | timeless_mbp: yeah | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | in some cases it took me a few *minutes* | 00:51 |
| tybollt | w00t | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | which was a bit embarrasing | 00:51 |
| lcuk | i just got round to asking people what they did | 00:51 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | "so, person I've been talking to for the past hour, who are you?" | 00:51 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, need to let Randy design it again next time. | 00:51 |
| sivang | w00t_: my sister loves the collabora shit with the open source ninja | 00:51 |
| sivang | w00t_: thanks | 00:51 |
| w00t_ | sivang: collabora shit!? :o | 00:52 |
| lcuk | i hope you mean shirt | 00:52 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, I took a cab to the airport with Timo before I connected the dots! | 00:52 |
| sivang | w00t_: shirt | 00:52 |
| w00t_ | i didn't think we used that for marketing purposes! | 00:52 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 00:52 |
| sivang | sorry :/ | 00:52 |
| sivang | bad bad keyboard! | 00:52 |
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| sivang | but I have my netbook now, and soon his laptop is going to someone else | 00:52 |
| w00t_ | irony of ironies, i've just been wasting time^W^Wworking hard by spending some time on http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ | 00:52 |
| w00t_ | great, great amusement | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, the qa-tools testrunner application has a mechanism to create documented gui flows for bug testing purposes | 00:53 |
| sivang | haha | 00:53 |
| sivang | lcuk: with TDriver? | 00:53 |
| lcuk | it worked well and would work offline too, had I got it installed, I would have made my buglist into those things | 00:53 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:54 |
| andybleaden | many of you pep | 00:54 |
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| sivang | lcuk: Did we get to talk at conf? | 00:55 |
| w00t_ | Jay_BEE: hrrm? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | sivang, not sure | 00:55 |
| lcuk | photo? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | or you | 00:55 |
| andybleaden | sorry ..many of you people managed to try sorting mpeg4 /mp4 support other than via a long terminal session. | 00:55 |
| Jay_BEE | w00t: trying out qt creator 2.1 beta2... seems for me building and deploying app to n900 does not work | 00:56 |
| lcuk | andybleaden, not yet afaik | 00:56 |
| Jay_BEE | it works with 2.01 | 00:56 |
| andybleaden | tried in moblin but it took ages and lots of terminal session.obviously fluendo would save time but is there another way | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: nice | 00:56 |
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| w00t_ | Jay_BEE: hrrm, surprising.. hit up #qt-creator tomorrow (probably best during european daytime) too if you can - lots of helpful folks there | 00:57 |
| Jay_BEE | w00t: i'm there now and hear nothing but crickets and see a bunch of tumbleweed rolling around.. | 00:58 |
| w00t_ | Jay_BEE: yeah.. european nighttime is not a good time for most of the creator hackers | 00:58 |
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| Jay_BEE | w00t: cool...thanks for the tip | 00:59 |
| sivang | lcuk: sivan greenberg, at the left with a black shirt http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/meego-conference-building-bridges-literally/ | 00:59 |
| Jay_BEE | now if we could get some love with getting uboot added to the meego 1.2 handset nightlies :) | 01:00 |
| lcuk | sivang, I think you were in some of the adhoc discussion groups but I dont think we spoke 1:1 | 01:00 |
| sivang | lcuk: yes, makes sense. I would have remembered. I did see a name tag with your name on for a friction of a second at some point :) | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | sivang, yeah likely | 01:02 |
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| * lcuk remembers a lovely chat with one of the aava guys | 01:04 | |
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| lcuk | outside the brewery | 01:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:05 |
| andybleaden | sivang, have you managed to get your meego to change any themes permanently yet | 01:05 |
| * thiago_home didn't meet anyone from aava | 01:05 | |
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| sivang | me neither, could have been itneresting to meet some of them | 01:05 |
| leinir | Hmm... yeah, me neither... | 01:05 |
| sivang | andybleaden: haven't really tried | 01:05 |
| sivang | I did not even know aava people are there | 01:06 |
| lcuk | corporate logo/name might be useful on future badges | 01:06 |
| lcuk | for confs | 01:06 |
| andybleaden | anyone else managed? | 01:06 |
| sivang | yes | 01:06 |
| WIIman | i can change wallpaper , but didnt know themes could be changed | 01:06 |
| lcuk | i spoke to people from many corporations | 01:06 |
| thiago_home | too many people in the conf | 01:07 |
| leinir | lcuk: actually, i found it refreshing to walk up to people and have a nice conversation, and then find out they were some high level person in whatever corporation or somesuch... | 01:07 |
| w00t | lcuk: I stuck a sticker on mine :-) | 01:07 |
| andybleaden | WIIman, they can or used to be via sudo gnome-appearance-properties but they don't seem to stay changed | 01:07 |
| w00t | thiago_home: I never did get to corner you later on :-P | 01:07 |
| thiago_home | w00t: yeah | 01:07 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, fosdem is larger | 01:07 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: so is fisl | 01:07 |
| lcuk | leinir, good point | 01:07 |
| leinir | w00t: Yup, me too - texrat's leinir meegon ;) i was also told it looked just right at home there, as though it was supposed to be there, which was kinda neat ;) | 01:08 |
| lcuk | actually, yes agreed | 01:08 |
| lcuk | but when looking for specific people | 01:08 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: 7000 there, but not many interesting people to meet | 01:08 |
| lcuk | it made it hard to do | 01:08 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, every one of them is interested | 01:08 |
| lcuk | and interesting | 01:08 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: not at fisl | 01:09 |
| lcuk | i met someone doing biological research at uni | 01:09 |
| lcuk | ahh right | 01:09 |
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| w00t | speaking of fosdem, I wonder if I should go this time | 01:09 |
| w00t | I've intended to go for 2008/2009/2010, and neither of them managed to happen for various reasons | 01:09 |
| lcuk | it was good last year, where is it this time?? | 01:09 |
| lcuk | *this year and next time | 01:09 |
| w00t | brussels, according to the website | 01:10 |
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| smoku | lbt, is OBS down? | 01:11 |
| sivang | thiago_home: btw, got my email? | 01:11 |
| thiago_home | sivang: yes, I did | 01:11 |
| thiago_home | sivang: like I told you, I don't think you offended | 01:11 |
| thiago_home | just a matter of having the problems you guys pointed out being to be addressed | 01:11 |
| thiago_home | first step in fixing a problem is to identify it | 01:12 |
| berndhs | I identified my problem as not finding QAudioInput :) | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc fosdem is always brussels | 01:12 |
| lcuk | thx timeless_mbp | 01:12 |
| lcuk | and w00t | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: someone's addressing problems? | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | publicly? | 01:13 |
| thiago_home | timeless_mbp: I don't know, but we should be, shouldn't we? | 01:14 |
| thiago_home | but like I said, thanks for pointing out where problems needed solving in the first place | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be nice, yes | 01:15 |
| sivang | thiago_home: what about the focus groups / feedback workshops do you think its feasible ? a conf could be a good place to have these, with a giveaway as an incentive perhaps? | 01:15 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, it's hard to know what the context is | 01:15 |
| thiago_home | sivang: focus groups yes | 01:15 |
| thiago_home | why a giveaway? | 01:15 |
| sivang | thiago_home: well, it is not mandatory | 01:16 |
| * thiago_home isn't following | 01:16 | |
| sivang | thiago_home: just a suggestion to incent participation. Although without it, I am sure we'd get wide participatios | 01:16 |
| sivang | thiago_home: the netbook giveaway could be great opportunity if we had the laptops preinstalled | 01:17 |
| sivang | thiago_home: *have been | 01:17 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: for next time, we could use this event for such. People spent quite some time installing etc, assuming we have preinstaled devices either handsets/netbooks/tablets this time can be utilized for feedback, perhaps. (I'm thining outloud) | 01:19 |
| sivang | *thinking | 01:19 |
| thiago_home | how would a giveaway make an incentive for feedback on the communtiy? | 01:20 |
| GAN900 | I think we're more than happy to give our feedback for free! *g* | 01:21 |
| WIIman | it would people a chance to see meego in action and buy next avalable broduct or diferant one with meego on it | 01:22 |
| WIIman | insentives work | 01:22 |
| thiago_home | I don't want people to come to a community focus group only to get a giveaway | 01:22 |
| WIIman | to bad the jins keep moving my keys | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | that's why they're never announced | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | you never know what you may or may not get (SF for example) | 01:23 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, of course not, but theres a group of people now who have a reproducable, specific dedicated machine and workhorse | 01:23 |
| sivang | thiago_home: that was just a suggestion, I personally don't think it is neccessary but such giveaways tha take place already could also form a ground for feedback | 01:24 |
| WIIman | batterry life seems much better under meego | 01:25 |
| thiago_home | feedback on the device itself? | 01:25 |
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| WIIman | combo feedback its on my dell mini and meego | 01:26 |
| WIIman | with is very intell driven | 01:26 |
| lcuk | WIIman, do you have any hardware integration issues/bugs filed ? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | or is it happily running? | 01:27 |
| WIIman | no hardware issues to file | 01:27 |
| lcuk | do all hte button work? | 01:27 |
| WIIman | gotta have bugs to squish | 01:27 |
| fcrochik | anybody knows of any qt project on meego obs? I would like to have one as an example of spec files... by the way I am planning to write a howto for a simple qt app all the way....is anybody working on it? | 01:27 |
| sivang | thiago_home: feedback on either: device+ os combo, on the releaseon the device, or on any new feature we would like to get feedback on. | 01:28 |
| WIIman | well maye one now that i think | 01:28 |
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| WIIman | it mounts usb device once then once unmounted it wont mount it again till the system restarts meego 1.1 netbook ill file that | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | eek, ok then \o | 01:29 |
| sivang | thiago_home: so there can be general questionire, and drill downs, including live session where a host interacts with audience enabling brainstomring. given the diverse nature of people (OEMs, end users, developers) this could be interesting. | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | sivang: nokia does that, of course | 01:30 |
| thiago_home | except that people sign NDAs and are not allowed to talk about it | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | and not in conferences | 01:31 |
| lcuk | this is where meego is different | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | well, no. Nokia will make its own UI, independent of MeeGo. | 01:31 |
| thiago_home | we can talk about the reference UI though. | 01:31 |
| WIIman | the netbook UI rocks | 01:32 |
| lcuk | sure, but you are also talking about the netbook ux too | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | ok | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | that can be done | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | I just thought we were discussing community improvement and meego the project | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | not the UI | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | hence my confusion | 01:32 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:32 | |
| WIIman | my ony complaint about meego is very few apps for it | 01:33 |
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| thiago_home | you mean meego netbook | 01:33 |
| WIIman | i know that will change in time though | 01:33 |
| thiago_home | for the other verticals, those apps make little sense | 01:33 |
| WIIman | yeh meego netbook | 01:33 |
| sivang | thiago_home: yes, feedback on the open reference UI for handset | 01:34 |
| * thiago_home wouldn't spend much time on that | 01:34 | |
| sivang | thiago_home: oh ? | 01:34 |
| marnanel | lcuk: were you doing things with onscreen keyboards? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | marnanel, there are some instructions for osk stuff around, I havent looked yet tbh not been on any computer all day practically | 01:36 |
| WIIman | i dont like onskreen kbs on tablets the ones i seen take half the screen or more | 01:37 |
| WIIman | one reson i got a netbook | 01:37 |
| lcuk | sure | 01:37 |
| lcuk | but osk on a slate is practical | 01:37 |
| marnanel | lcuk: oh okay. Just wanted to bounce a related idea off you | 01:38 |
| sivang | thiago_home: you mean, since it is just a reference UX? | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | yes | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | it should be made nice, but don't spend too much time on it | 01:38 |
| WIIman | practacle yes but efficiant no not when use lose lots of screen estate | 01:38 |
| sivang | thiago_home: okaym, thanks for this important note | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | nokia won't use it, for instance | 01:38 |
| lcuk | WIIman, sure, I got an n810 and n900 purely because they had a keyboard | 01:38 |
| thiago_home | an OEM could, but then it's their business to ensure it meets their needs | 01:39 |
| thiago_home | but we can reverse the question and say that no OEM will use it unless it's good | 01:39 |
| thiago_home | or more strongly: no OEM will use meego unless there's a good UX | 01:39 |
| thiago_home | at this point, I don't know whether that's the case | 01:39 |
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| WIIman | i love my netbook it lets sit at table comfortably and see screen at a nice angle | 01:40 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:40 | |
| lcuk | i have my device in slate mode between my keyboard and kneess | 01:40 |
| lcuk | knees | 01:40 |
| marnanel | lcuk: so someone at the conference said (not in these terms) that what we need is to take n-grams of English text and produce Markov chains such that after n-1 letters entered on the osk, the three or so most likely following letters became *slightly* larger | 01:40 |
| lcuk | where my a4 pad would normally sit | 01:40 |
| WIIman | tablets have aplace i quess i just havnt jumped on the train yet | 01:40 |
| marnanel | lcuk: I can write and train the back end for this easily, it's the sort of thing I do all the time. | 01:41 |
| lcuk | yes marnanel | 01:41 |
| marnanel | lcuk: so I wondered whether you know whether anyone else was working on it | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i recall the conversation also | 01:41 |
| marnanel | lcuk: otherwise I might. | 01:41 |
| thiago_home | marnanel: they don't have to be larger. Just their hit areas. | 01:41 |
| marnanel | thiago_home: true | 01:41 |
| sivang | thiago_home: yes, mythought was to have good enough upstream UI that most OEMs will either adopt or follow the practices | 01:41 |
| lcuk | marnanel, I remarked that to slightly dim the other non useful characters would be a good visual indicator | 01:42 |
| marnanel | lcuk: oh yeah, I remember you saying that | 01:42 |
| marnanel | lcuk: I could probably fix up UI stuff to do that. but atm I am thinking about the back-end implementation | 01:42 |
| marnanel | I think this could be a thing of great niftiness | 01:42 |
| lcuk | i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass svg file | 01:43 |
| rrix | i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass-svg file | 01:43 |
| * marnanel blinks | 01:43 | |
| lcuk | wtf | 01:43 |
| lcuk | huh "i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass svg file" | 01:43 |
| rrix | huh "i heard the keymats for the vkb are a big ass-svg file" | 01:43 |
| marnanel | does rrix repeat anything with big ass foo in it? | 01:43 |
| rrix | does rrix repeat anything with big ass-foo in it? | 01:43 |
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| marnanel | yes. gosh, that's silly. | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yes big ass | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yes big ass hmm | 01:44 |
| rrix | yes big ass-hmm | 01:44 |
| marnanel | I think it's a reference to an xkcd | 01:44 |
| marnanel | http://xkcd.com/37/ | 01:44 |
| lcuk | anyway, not sure if those keymats can have birightness modified on the fly or if the hitzones can be effected | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and I am not sure how I would proceed using qml | 01:44 |
| lcuk | whether you can have an element but have its hit area larger without intefering | 01:45 |
| marnanel | I don't know either. | 01:45 |
| lcuk | at a guess | 01:45 |
| rrix | woops | 01:45 |
| rrix | god damnit | 01:45 |
| marnanel | rrix: hush | 01:45 |
| rrix | sorry guys | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | making a new transparant layer ontop with bigger hitzones would suffice | 01:45 |
| rrix | I have root on this machine, I'm gonna go delete that script finally | 01:45 |
| * marnanel nods | 01:45 | |
| * lcuk hmms | 01:46 | |
| lcuk | i am wondering how I would implement it by thinking about the liqbase keyboard | 01:46 |
| lcuk | marnanel, how many potential keys would we need to show larger | 01:46 |
| WIIman | im not big on getting freebies but you would have to give me a tablet or at least loan me one so i can see its viabilaty before i would consideer giving up my netbook | 01:47 |
| marnanel | lcuk: I am thinking three-ish. more than that would defeat the point | 01:47 |
| WIIman | i just love this thing | 01:47 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, reasonable | 01:47 |
| lcuk | so holding a group of transparent redefinable (and relocatable) widgets sitting ontop of the keyboard which would offer larger hitzone for the press would work? | 01:48 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:48 | |
| marnanel | I believe so, yes | 01:48 |
| marnanel | lcuk: so if I wrote a library where you gave it zero to three letters and it returned a string of three characters which were likely to follow, that would be a start | 01:48 |
| marnanel | plus the database | 01:49 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks intel, lenovo, nvda, and of course... nokia | 01:49 | |
| lcuk | marnanel, one thing about keyboards - using circular distance algorythms from the centre of each letter | 01:49 |
| lcuk | rather than a rectangle hitzone | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | these idiots didn't include descriptions for their services | 01:49 |
| lcuk | would be nicer potentially | 01:49 |
| marnanel | timeless_mbp: ah, but we know now: they *can* organise a piss-up in a brewery | 01:49 |
| lcuk | marnanel, so the library would accept a string | 01:49 |
| lcuk | which is the text leading upto the cursor current position | 01:50 |
| lcuk | marnanel, ++ | 01:50 |
| marnanel | lcuk: circular> yes, we just use pythagoras with respect to each letter and find the shortest maybe, with weighting for the more likely letters | 01:50 |
| marnanel | lcuk: yes | 01:50 |
| lcuk | such an apt phrase for the sheer awesomeness of the event | 01:50 |
| lcuk | marnanel, lets talk again on monday after getting some thoughts sunk in | 01:52 |
| marnanel | lcuk: yeah, good plan | 01:52 |
| lcuk | do you want to perhaps copy paste this convo into the wiki | 01:52 |
| marnanel | lcuk: I'll hack around with ngrams a bit maybe | 01:52 |
| marnanel | lcuk: the meego wiki? sure | 01:52 |
| lcuk | and then we can flesh it out and do some bits with it | 01:52 |
| marnanel | sure | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, read up on how fmms started :) its a good model for creating applications over the internet | 01:53 |
| lcuk | (also started based on a conversation) | 01:54 |
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| sivang | is it possible for someone to use meego as a "base" without getting an official meego stamp? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | marnanel, chances are similar algorithm could work well for browser link hitting too | 01:57 |
| lcuk | sivang, ? | 01:58 |
| leinir | sivang: sure - they just can't call it "meego"... though as i understand they are free to call it "based on meego"... possibly even legally required to do so, what with the license and such | 01:58 |
| sivang | leinir: so if I want the promise of quality through MeeGo quality guidelines and stringest process, I buy a meedo device, not a based one. | 01:59 |
| sivang | or rather, a "based on" one. | 01:59 |
| leinir | sivang: something like that, i believe... but yeah, meego compliance is still very much up in the air | 02:00 |
| sivang | leinir: right | 02:01 |
| lcuk | leinir, did you see at the airport, Ian was collared at the gate about his bag collection | 02:01 |
| leinir | lcuk: Hmm? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | his 5 pieces of handluggage | 02:02 |
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| WIIman | i saw where BMW and othere car makere were adopting MeeGo as there incar os | 02:02 |
| sivang | I got a jam taken away from me :-( | 02:02 |
| leinir | WIIman: *nods* GENIVI :) | 02:03 |
| leinir | lcuk: Hmm? as in please rephrase, that did not translate in my head ;) | 02:03 |
| WIIman | thats a nice start :) | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | leinir, as Ian got to the gate and you were walking off, did you notice him being caught with all his bags? | 02:04 |
| sivang | WIIman: indeed, for "meego based" | 02:04 |
| ofauchon | Hi ... is there a debug verbose mode for mad : "mad remote -r meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime poweron" returns nothing . thx | 02:04 |
| leinir | lcuk: No, i can't say that i did... | 02:04 |
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| WIIman | its meegos future that makes me stand by it as well as how it handles my netbook inspite of the lac of apps that could be avalible for it | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | bbiab phone | 02:05 |
| sivang | night all, see you tomorrow hopefully | 02:05 |
| * sivang regrets losing the jam to the airport dude | 02:05 | |
| Alison_Chaiken | WIIman, I have friends at Nvidia (fellow bicycle racers) and they are pushing MeeGo on Tegra for IVI. | 02:06 |
| lcuk | ooh | 02:06 |
| arfoll | tbh nvidia have been pushing tegra for how long? | 02:07 |
| arfoll | and still no products | 02:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | WIIman, I can't say more as I have been following public announcements, but MeeGo in cars is looking pretty strong. I wish an IVI SDK were available that would run in QEMU. | 02:07 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, the Zune and (regrettable) Kin are both Tegra IIRC. | 02:07 |
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| arfoll | lol awesome success... | 02:08 |
| arfoll | and isn't the zune tegra1? | 02:08 |
| arfoll | tegra2 actually has no products I know of | 02:08 |
| Tili | hi guys. i am getting "Not enough space" error when I try to write Meego image to sd card. Using windows. | 02:08 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, the Zune is a pretty great product even though: 1) it has sold poorly; 2) it's made by Waldemort. | 02:08 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, but its a shame, on specs at least the tegra2 looked nice, now with the new ST chips and OMAP4 out it looks like tegra2 passed it's prime | 02:10 |
| berndhs | has lbt gone to sleep ? | 02:10 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Dunno arfoll, but since TI gave me a free Pandaboard last week in Dublin, my personal plans involve the OMAP4! Bummed to see that I have to solder on the board to use the LCD output though. | 02:12 |
| arfoll | awesome how did you manage to get a free panda? | 02:12 |
| marnanel | lcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard | 02:13 |
| Tili | guys how can i resolve "Not enough space" issue for placing meego on sd card? | 02:14 |
| arfoll | Tili, how big is your SD card? | 02:14 |
| Tili | 4GB | 02:14 |
| arfoll | and your writing your image with dd? | 02:14 |
| Tili | using windows win32-disk-imager | 02:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, the TI guys were having a "contest" for the 15 best ideas on projects to build with the Pandaboard. Let's hope that there were more than 15 entries. I'm quite serious about building mine, but soldering on those tiny SMT resistors scares me. I should check if it's working first! | 02:15 |
| arfoll | try on linux with dd | 02:15 |
| Tili | arfoll: roger that | 02:15 |
| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, good work, I actually didn't propose one stupidly enough forgot about it... damn it! | 02:16 |
| Alison_Chaiken | arfoll, you can have mine if I ruin it with the soldering. But seriously, I'll probably end up spending $170 (what the board costs) on accessories. | 02:16 |
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| arfoll | Alison_Chaiken, ehehe give me a shout if that happens - I'd like to have a good porting XBMC to omap4 since gst-openmax looks like it'll work quite well on that | 02:17 |
| arfoll | s/good/go\ at | 02:17 |
| lcuk | marnanel, oooh that looks like a very good start. | 02:18 |
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| * WIIman wishess someone lived close to him that had a meego tablet to play with a few minuts to see it work and weather it was worth the purchase vs the functionality of his netbook | 02:20 | |
| WIIman | i dont want to waste monney on a tabletonly to find i hate it | 02:20 |
| arfoll | WIIman, right now it's probably not worth your money | 02:21 |
| WIIman | i have a very nice netbook for what at&t gave it to me for 42 dollers | 02:21 |
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| WIIman | just for a 2 year agreement and adding it as a second line | 02:22 |
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| WIIman | sure i had to get a 35 data plan but hell getting a dell mini 10 1012 for 42 dollers was worth it | 02:23 |
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| WIIman | and meego even lets me use my 3g card | 02:24 |
| arfoll | you realise you paid $882 for that netbook? | 02:24 |
| WIIman | over the long term yes but short turn only 42 dollers | 02:25 |
| arfoll | WIIman, you're the perfect customer ;-) | 02:25 |
| WIIman | atleast i didnt have to fork out 400 dollers upfront for it | 02:25 |
| WIIman | i dont care att makes eetra monny i got my netbook for cheap at the onset :) | 02:26 |
| WIIman | the ipad was still over 200 dollers for the same plan | 02:27 |
| WIIman | so i see it a steel | 02:27 |
| WIIman | as long as i get a benifit i am fine letting my vender have one to | 02:28 |
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| lcuk_idea | hey chaps :) first time on my irc from the ideapad | 02:28 |
| WIIman | give a free or cheep device ill pay for it to have 3g or somethng | 02:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk_idea: ok, this client sucks, what irc client are you using? | 02:30 |
| lcuk_idea | timeless_mbp: direct webchat on chromium and it sucks | 02:31 |
| arfoll | someone built xchat for meego | 02:31 |
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| lcuk_idea | yeah I heard | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: does it suck? :) | 02:31 |
| lcuk_idea | i just did this to check something | 02:32 |
| lcuk_idea | kathy has xchat installed | 02:32 |
| lcuk_idea | she did it herself from timoph's repo | 02:32 |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, it's ok if you like gui clients | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | does it support fingers? | 02:32 |
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| * lcuk_idea giggles | 02:33 | |
| * timeless_mbp should try comic chat | 02:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | or in lcuk's case, does it support *limited* fingers? :) | 02:33 |
| arfoll | didn't really try - probably not great | 02:33 |
| WIIman | where she get xchat ? have to use pidgin as i couldnt get xchat or any other irc client instaalled | 02:33 |
| * arfoll is enjoying machete | 02:33 | |
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| timeless_mbp | machete? | 02:34 |
| lcuk_idea | WIIman: timoph has an obs repository which he has been building some apps into | 02:34 |
| * timeless_mbp considers comic chat | 02:34 | |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, machete - the film | 02:34 |
| lcuk_idea | ask him or others where it is | 02:34 |
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| arfoll | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/timoph/meego_1.1_core_Netbook/i586/ | 02:35 |
| WIIman | what he link to the repo and adding it ? | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | arfoll: what's w/ the : in the url? | 02:36 |
| WIIman | lol thanks | 02:36 |
| arfoll | timeless_mbp, because obs homes are home:username | 02:36 |
| arfoll | it's kinda stupid IMO but that's the way it is | 02:36 |
| niala | you can use empathy for irc it's integrated with meego-panel-relation | 02:37 |
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| timeless_ideapad | hello world | 02:42 |
| timeless_ideapad | # Appears as ANNA | 02:43 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks comic chat | 02:43 | |
| timeless_ideapad | # Appears as SAGE | 02:44 |
| timeless_ideapad | (#G010E010M1) oops | 02:44 |
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| timeless_ideapad | ? | 02:45 |
| * w00t blinks | 02:45 | |
| * timeless_ideapad smipes | 02:46 | |
| * arfoll awesomness bios wipe fixes wifi issue :-) | 02:46 | |
| timeless_ideapad | typing on osk isn't easy | 02:46 |
| * CosmoHill tilts head | 02:46 | |
| Robot101 | this is why comic chat died in a fire :P | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | are you guys too young to remember comic chat? :) | 02:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll post a picture of it... | 02:47 |
| CosmoHill | I just step into the channel randomly | 02:47 |
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| Robot101 | we looked at implementing support for the protocol in telepathy as an april fools joke | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | but we couldn't be bothered :P | 02:47 |
| timeless_ideapad | loo | 02:48 |
| timeless_ideapad | lol | 02:48 |
| timeless_ideapad | s/loo/lol/ | 02:48 |
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| w00t | I think I actually did write something to talk to comic chat years ago | 02:48 |
| w00t | or, wait | 02:48 |
| w00t | did comic chat talk ircx? | 02:49 |
| w00t | i think i'm confusing things | 02:49 |
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| TrackerDPP | hello | 02:49 |
| TrackerDPP | all | 02:49 |
| * timeless_mbp thinks it might have | 02:49 | |
| Robot101 | its just irc with stupid stuff | 02:49 |
| w00t | right | 02:49 |
| w00t | ircx :) | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | # Appears as IDIOT | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | (#dorkdorkdork) hi | 02:49 |
| w00t | i hated ircx with a firey burning passion :p | 02:49 |
| w00t | but it was fun for a laguh | 02:49 |
| w00t | laugh* | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | heh oh yeah it msgs you with people's current appearance when you say that, haha | 02:50 |
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| TrackerDPP | i am new on this channel | 02:51 |
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| marnanel | lcuk: still around? | 02:52 |
| timeless_ideapad | welcome | 02:52 |
| TrackerDPP | thanks timeless_ideapad | 02:52 |
| marnanel | lcuk: this is what I mean about the backend (it still needs a database; this just spits out ngrams) http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~tthurman/git/predictive.git/ | 02:52 |
| marnanel | lcuk: left hand column is context, right hand column shows the zero to three characters most likely to follow that context | 02:53 |
| TrackerDPP | what is require to create a community ? | 02:53 |
| w00t | marnanel: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-inputmethodengine/blobs/master/words/mimenginewordsinterface.h might be an interesting read | 02:56 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:57 |
| TrackerDPP | Morning Termana ! | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t_: ooh, that used to be in mxr | 02:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but then they renamed from dui to mtf | 02:57 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: *nod* | 02:58 |
| marnanel | w00t: hm, I wonder how easy it would be to twist that into what we want. thanks | 02:58 |
| w00t | and moved from qt.gitorious.org to meego.g.o | 02:58 |
| w00t | marnanel: :-) | 02:58 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: could you look at mxr.meego.com/meego and help me arrange a better list of things to clone? | 02:58 |
| w00t | timeless_mbp: certainly, do you have a mail address I can mail corrections to? I have to wander off to shower | 02:59 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless@gmail | 02:59 |
| w00t | k | 02:59 |
| marnanel | w00t: see, the problem I see in this is that it gives you the "n" words it judges most likely to follow the context | 02:59 |
| w00t | will try take a look later | 02:59 |
| GAN900 | I like it when the trackpad just stops working. | 02:59 |
| marnanel | w00t: and unless we set n infinitely large we will always have the risk that they'll begin only with a subset of the letters we want | 02:59 |
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| GAN900 | Useless Lenovo, Useless MeeGo. | 03:00 |
| w00t | marnanel: I'm sure the IM developers could use feedback, I doubt that API has been played with a lot | 03:00 |
| timeless_ideapad | gan900: what makes you feel this way? | 03:00 |
| timeless_mbp | (ideapad is using osk.exe) | 03:00 |
| w00t | marnanel: see /msg btw (unrelated) | 03:00 |
| marnanel | w00t: like maybe "FO", n=2, -> food, foot.. so we see the O, but not any other letter that might actually be more likely than O | 03:00 |
| GAN900 | timeless_ideapad, I want to throw it through the wall next to me | 03:00 |
| * w00t heads for the shower | 03:01 | |
| GAN900 | Largely because I can't seem to find a freaking flash drive it'll boot the Ubuntu installer from. | 03:01 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 03:01 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ bzr? | 03:01 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to shoot bzr | 03:01 | |
| timeless_mbp | i installed bzr (thanks port), and no thanks to help created ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf | 03:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and i ran whoami (totally unintuitive command) | 03:02 |
| timeless_mbp | my bazaar conf has a url thing for my fixes= | 03:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and i did a commit, which didn't complain | 03:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but i can't find the fixes() bit in my commit | 03:03 |
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| marnanel | I still can't log into the MeeGO OBS. I'm sure it's been more than an hour now | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting... | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the screen is multitouch | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | does multitouch work w/ ideapads on meego? | 03:13 |
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| TrackerDPP | i go to sleep | 03:14 |
| TrackerDPP | see you later | 03:14 |
| TrackerDPP | bye all Meego ! | 03:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, i finally got the "browser vote" thing | 03:16 |
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| sp3000 | telnet to 80 better be an option | 03:32 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm gonna sleep now, cyas | 03:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles1 | ss2/clear | 04:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: hey | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to upload ~50-100 screenshots | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | any suggestions for where they could live? | 04:22 |
| sp3000 | stress! | 04:24 |
| timeless_mbp | this is more like ovi-stress | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | lots of Pain | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | no Glory | 04:25 |
| timeless_mbp | technically the Ovi stuff was supposed to be Pane, but they overdid it | 04:25 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ovi mistakes? :) | 04:27 |
| * sivang now knows how to use nodeload | 04:27 | |
| sivang | joy! | 04:27 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: did i not give you the ovi suite demo? | 04:27 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to set up an audiocast for it | 04:28 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: you did but that was just before we parted and went each on our own, you mean the wrong strings that the MS readers exposes? | 04:28 |
| sivang | *reader | 04:28 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: but an audio cast could be good, I am not sure I rmember all the details. | 04:29 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: useful to have sunday as a weekend | 04:35 |
| timeless_mbp | shouldn't you be sleeping? | 04:36 |
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| sivang | I should've, but had a small thing I was needing to finish before meego conf, relating to load testing my kv store. Now that I figured nodeload, I'm almost done, and I just need to figure how to tell setuptools to deliver my docs, or rather use debhelper for that. | 04:40 |
| sivang | so I got to it only today.. | 04:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i finally posted pictures | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/fingerable%20clock/ shows how to get a fingerable clock right | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone designing a clock some other way is almost certainly an idiot | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (i know some of those idiots) | 05:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/comicchat%20meego.png | 05:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/control%20panel%20easier%20to%20use.png is how windows handles Cursor stuff fwiw | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the fourth section | 05:35 |
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| niala | Eureka!!! my slot is working!!!!! sorry for the inconvenience | 05:38 |
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| fcrochik | anybody available that can help me figure out why the OBS does not like me? | 05:44 |
| niala | timeless_mbp: you post screenshot to inspire meego ? | 05:45 |
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| fcrochik | help...please.... can't even get the $prep to work and can't figure out why.... https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook | 05:46 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: well... | 05:46 |
| timeless_mbp | in the case of calendar i drew this ui on a napkin months ago | 05:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and some clever people elected not to implement it | 05:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i discovered @meego conf that microsoft basically did what i described | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | in general there's no reason *not* to take good ideas from others | 05:47 |
| niala | nice i m agree | 05:47 |
| timeless_mbp | although it is also quite important to learn from the mistakes of others | 05:48 |
| niala | good idea is an good idea even if the devil have the idea | 05:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i've now played w/ the ideapad's ebook reader | 06:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it's actually nice | 06:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the only problems i have w/ it are that it doesn't do content discovery and doesn't support epub ... | 06:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but from a ux/ui perspective, it's worth a look | 06:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | First round of conference photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/sets/72157625434963604/with/5194006720/ | 06:29 |
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| lolloo | hey thanks GeneralAntilles | 06:51 |
| lolloo | much appreciated | 06:51 |
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| WIIman | i opened a twitter acount with meego related topics and plan on using it to provide my experiances with meego and possable advice | 07:00 |
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| WIIman | search papatwilight tryed to get it under my irc nick but it was taken | 07:08 |
| WIIman | just started it so only one update | 07:09 |
| WIIman | its not much but any thing done to promote is good | 07:10 |
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| lolloo | awesome | 07:19 |
| lolloo | whats best twitter app for N900 on maemo WIIman | 07:20 |
| WIIman | not sure i dont have an N900 and have yet to research it but it might have social networking built in MeeGo netbook does | 07:21 |
| WIIman | though the meego app need facebook added | 07:22 |
| WIIman | atm it hast last.fm and twitter | 07:22 |
| WIIman | last.fm reminds me of itunes | 07:22 |
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| WIIman | let me check google | 07:23 |
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| WIIman | lolloo: have you tryed Witter | 07:25 |
| lolloo | not yet my friend | 07:26 |
| WIIman | its mentioned on a nokia site might want to try it | 07:26 |
| WIIman | may be avalible in OVI | 07:26 |
| WIIman | should be free | 07:27 |
| lolloo | yeah I see, | 07:28 |
| lolloo | downloading right now | 07:28 |
| lolloo | I will follow you on twitter | 07:28 |
| WIIman | hope it works for you | 07:28 |
| lolloo | much appreciated | 07:28 |
| * WIIman is no expert lol but i help when i can | 07:29 | |
| WIIman | my twitter username is papatwilight | 07:29 |
| WIIman | only one post though ill fix that now | 07:30 |
| WIIman | updated my page with the info i found you | 07:31 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 10:12 |
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| * CosmoHill wishes Valgrid worked on ppc mac | 12:22 | |
| CosmoHill | shit I'm an idiot, the buffer overflowed because of my magic numbers | 12:23 |
| dm8tbr | ran out of pixie dust to go with those? | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | I increased the number of iterations without increasing the array | 12:24 |
| thiago_home | that's why you usually create a constant for those things | 12:24 |
| dm8tbr | ah, yeah, solution: add more pixi dust :) | 12:24 |
| CosmoHill | normally I would but for "lets see if this even works" things I just code quickly | 12:25 |
| CosmoHill | nuts, printf only works locally on mpi. maybe I was thinking of PVM | 12:27 |
| * Chani once spent over an hour debugging what turned out to be a bad printf :) | 12:27 | |
| CosmoHill | I've done that | 12:27 |
| Chani | ha | 12:27 |
| CosmoHill | I needed to read 20 lines so I had a loop of 20 | 12:27 |
| Chani | erp | 12:27 |
| CosmoHill | of course the loop did readline twice | 12:27 |
| Chani | the zoom button on my n900 is pushing itslef | 12:28 |
| CosmoHill | an hour or two later I decreased the loop to 10 >.< | 12:28 |
| CosmoHill | Chani: I accidently tapped my zoom button on my 6220c | 12:28 |
| Termana | Talk about programming accidents, I currently have this like 20 line piece that somehow is detecting and printing the result of something twice | 12:29 |
| Termana | But I swear the code flow doesn't allow that :p | 12:30 |
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| CosmoHill | one of my assignments is running slower than everyone else's and I have no idea why | 12:34 |
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| CosmoHill | nice, I have race conditions now | 12:36 |
| CosmoHill | looking at the output I can tell what numbers the slower computer did | 12:37 |
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| CosmoHill | bonjour niala, comment ça va | 12:37 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 12:37 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill i"m happy this morning/night (going to sleep a 6h) I ve done my first c++/qt | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 12:39 |
| niala | I m sure reading fc winthis we :) | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | congrats | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | it was 1 -1 against Watford | 12:39 |
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| CosmoHill | I was pretty ingrosed in my programming at the time of the match | 12:40 |
| niala | reading fc are the best in equality score | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | we've been best at late scoring | 12:41 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, I was told an efficent way to do prime numbers to do something with the last found prime | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | myyh | 12:45 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, my program fails at 15+ processes | 13:05 |
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| Chani | notmart: how's it going over there? | 13:06 |
| notmart | Chani: trying to make sense of specs... | 13:07 |
| notmart | Chani: ah, and there is still your laptop turned on there :p | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | notmart: the rpm spec files? | 13:08 |
| notmart | CosmoHill: yeah | 13:08 |
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| CosmoHill | morning lcuk_idea | 13:15 |
| Chani | notmart: huh.. i asked mek to put my stuff in my bag.. could you do it? | 13:16 |
| notmart | Chani: ok | 13:16 |
| lcuk_idea | morning CosmoHill Chani and everyone \o | 13:16 |
| * Chani is staying in bed today :/ damn cold.. | 13:16 | |
| notmart | oooh :/ | 13:16 |
| * CosmoHill gives Chani some hot black current | 13:16 | |
| * lcuk_idea is also in bed with ideapad | 13:17 | |
| Chani | ooh. yum :) | 13:17 |
| niala | so we are 3 in bed with netbook | 13:17 |
| steinex | lcuk_idea, s10e here | 13:17 |
| steinex | :D | 13:17 |
| lcuk_idea | hahaha | 13:17 |
| * notmart will go away tomorrow morning, so, remote hugs :( | 13:17 | |
| CosmoHill | niala: sounds hot | 13:17 |
| Chani | just to make this more annoying there's hardly any food in the house 'cause we thought we'd be out all day | 13:17 |
| * Chani hugs notmart | 13:17 | |
| CosmoHill | actually netbooks shouldn't make that much heat | 13:17 |
| * notmart hugs Chani | 13:18 | |
| niala | CosmoHill: need a lunch | 13:18 |
| lcuk_idea | this is a big bed! | 13:18 |
| Chani | if i feel better this evening maybe i can come say goodbye... otoh maybe i should keep my germs to myself ;P | 13:18 |
| CosmoHill | niala: well you would, you're an hour ahead of me | 13:18 |
| notmart | Chani: the laptop is on (and locked) soo, if i fold it in the bag it won't last that much before dying i think? | 13:18 |
| CosmoHill | I need to figure out why my program isn't working like it should | 13:18 |
| lcuk_idea | which program? | 13:19 |
| CosmoHill | my MPI Goldbach program | 13:19 |
| Chani | notmart: i put a battery plasmoid on the screensaver just yesterday :) put it to sleep please | 13:19 |
| * lcuk_idea went to sleep thinking of marnanel's vkb :) | 13:19 | |
| CosmoHill | I got the MPI working about an hour ago | 13:19 |
| niala | CosmoHill: try your prog in bed apparently it's a bed day | 13:19 |
| notmart | Chani: okie | 13:20 |
| Chani | notmart: and my lenovo is turned off on the other desk.. the one with the ninja sticker | 13:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'm running it single core on each node to see if it's the nodes going funky | 13:20 |
| lcuk_idea | Chani: :D lots of collabora ninjas around | 13:20 |
| notmart | yay for plasma on screensaver :) | 13:20 |
| lcuk_idea | damn the bottle of orange juice is just too far away to reach | 13:21 |
| * Mek has a bottle of orange juice next to him... | 13:21 | |
| lcuk_idea | are you in bed with us also mek? | 13:21 |
| Mek | no | 13:21 |
| niala | lcuk_idea: you need to hack your chroot-bed | 13:21 |
| * CosmoHill wonders why iTunes is using 10% load | 13:21 | |
| Mek | I'm sitting next to chani's netbook | 13:21 |
| lcuk_idea | then that doesnt count, whilst you are up, could you pass me the bottle :P | 13:21 |
| lcuk_idea | mek but I thought chani was in bed :P | 13:22 |
| CosmoHill | I can do quiet a lot from my bed, I can just about reach the DVD player without falling out | 13:22 |
| lcuk_idea | did the netbook really just tell me theres updates available? :D | 13:22 |
| lcuk_idea | thats a good idea I might stretch across the room keeping leg inside the bed | 13:23 |
| steinex | lcuk, do you have win7 on that ideapad? | 13:23 |
| steinex | lcuk, is it running smoothely? | 13:23 |
| lcuk_idea | nope, meego | 13:23 |
| steinex | ah, i c | 13:23 |
| steinex | i will need windows soon, and can't decide which to choose | 13:23 |
| lcuk_idea | steinex: its running very smoothly, theres some niggles I mentioned on my wiki talk page | 13:23 |
| niala | yes meego-panel-status update | 13:23 |
| * lcuk_idea would rather get meego running well enough | 13:23 | |
| steinex | don't plan to switch to meego, i'm happy with ubuntu here ;-) | 13:24 |
| lcuk_idea | and I am not dual booting this, though I will find a way to run netbook/handset from same system :) | 13:24 |
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| lcuk_idea | the aava, is it possible to run the same binary built for the netbook edition? | 13:26 |
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| niala | lcuk_idea: is linux...; if you have libs... | 13:27 |
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| lcuk_idea | niala: i mean from a cpu perspective | 13:28 |
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| lcuk_idea | and i couldnt attempt that across netbook -> n900 build for instance | 13:28 |
| niala | ah ok | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | dammit, I keep modulating by "1" and not "i" | 13:29 |
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| niala | question to 'ideapad' when your netbook enter in sleep mode, on wake up touchscreen wake up to ? | 13:29 |
| lcuk_idea | meegoip seems to be the name people are banging around | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | meegopad? | 13:31 |
| niala | Stskeeps: ? | 13:32 |
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| niala | sivang: ping | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | what do you guys think of this? http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/egutT7m7 | 13:35 |
| CosmoHill | I think it's a nice little test of performace of the two algorithems | 13:35 |
| CosmoHill | of course it would be better if it worked... | 13:36 |
| lcuk_meegoip | hmmm i added a bunch of tasks to the task list | 13:36 |
| lcuk_meegoip | it screwed up the order and wont let me adjust it | 13:36 |
| niala | CosmoHill: there is to much fog here to help you sorry | 13:39 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ok i saw the updates available popup, now IDK where to go to actually do the update | 13:40 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | marnanel: do you happen to have a link to spyros IVI hack building attempts, i cant see him in the chan to ask him and my credentials for elsewhere are on the laptop wayyyy over there | 13:46 |
| lcuk_meegoip | Stskeeps did you mention you got a pandaboard too? | 13:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk_meegoip: no, i got offered one but i have too many devices at home, would divert my focus on meego n900 | 13:49 |
| lcuk_meegoip | sure, spyro won one and he has been building a digital dashboard so comes at ideal time | 13:49 |
| lcuk_meegoip | i just cant find the link | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | i have a joggler sys to finish first and then moving on to the ideapad | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | and my n8x0s | 13:50 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | Stskeeps: yeah | 13:52 |
| lcuk_meegoip | leinir: did you happen to take note of the url for his project notes? | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if armv6 hardfloat is any good | 13:53 |
| lcuk_meegoip | http://www.mnementh.co.uk/home/projects/golf/making_a_bezel | 13:53 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ahhhahhh found it | 13:53 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:54 |
| lcuk_meegoip | morning jaffa w00t | 13:54 |
| w00t_ | morn | 13:55 |
| lcuk_meegoip | the fan on this ip smells of new | 13:57 |
| * Jaffa goes to download the Qt Creator 2.1 beta after achipa showed off its cool QML stuff | 14:00 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | jaffa direct on your ideapad? | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_meegoip: Heh, no. A proper computer ;-) | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_meegoip: Although with the semi-translucent VKB and one of the Chrome scrollers, it's not half bad. | 14:01 |
| thp | btw. is there driver support for multi-touch on the mideapad in linux already? | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | lcuk_meegoip: If the VKB did proper 'enter', was a better layout for the 1024x600 screen and a way of switching apps/bringing up the bar when in tablet mode, it'd be even more cool. | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | thp: TuxPaint from Garage (*stupid* name, still, IMHO) shows multitouch capability when erasing. | 14:02 |
| thp | Jaffa: yes, but that is fake multitouch, right? (quickly alternating between the two touch points) | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | thp: If it can detect two touch points, isn't that multitouch? | 14:03 |
| thp | i'd love to have it right down to the toolkit level, so I can experiment with Qt's MT gestures | 14:03 |
| thp | and yes, if it can detect the touch points, then that's multitouch ;) | 14:04 |
| lcuk_meegoip | what order are the pixels on the ideapad lcd (for font hinting option) RGB BGR VRGB VBGR ? | 14:05 |
| Debolaz | If I wanted to add support for full disk encryption to MeeGo netbook, how likely is it this would get included in the official dist? | 14:07 |
| Bostik | merely possible, but at least I'd like to see it happen | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Debolaz: file a feature bug, thats usually first indicator.. basically you need to maintain the feature and someone else qa it | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | Debolaz: ie, when bugs come in, you handle it | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | and submit patches | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | i suppose the enterprise builds would like it | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | or anyone dealing with ndaed material | 14:09 |
| Debolaz | Im curious about the development culture around MeeGo. I can implement stuff, but I dont want to deal with paperwork. | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | well. its a quality platform so features can't bitrot.. ie, you take responsbility for a feature like people take responsibility for a driver or a subsystem in kernel | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | if it isnt maintained, feature gets removed | 14:12 |
| marnanel | lcuk: no, sorry | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | no contracts or ndas to sign, just a bugzilla process | 14:13 |
| * CosmoHill swears | 14:14 | |
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| CosmoHill | I forgot to change the incremeant based on last nights research, that would explain the missing numbers | 14:16 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | VDVsx: are you also lay in bed with your ideapad | 14:18 |
| lcuk_meegoip | it seems theres a lot of people this morning enjoying it lol | 14:19 |
| Debolaz | Stskeeps: Its an important feature for enterprise yes. | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | one day there will be a meego meeting in bed | 14:20 |
| VDVsx | lcuk_meegoip, nah, just got out of bed,long night :P | 14:20 |
| lcuk_meegoip | indeed, hope you are well | 14:21 |
| lcuk_meegoip | i am seeing snow pictures emerge on flickr, do I gather there was a frosting last night? | 14:21 |
| lcuk_meegoip | on twitter ^ | 14:21 |
| Debolaz | Stskeeps: Despite me not being a big fan of RPM and considering it a mistake to base the platform on it, the only thing that actually blocks me from giving MeeGo a serious try is the lack of disk encryption. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | Debolaz: :nod: hmm. could you be motivated to ask on meego-dev@ 'i'd like to implement full disk encryption and submit it for inclusion in meego. how do i do this in practice?" | 14:23 |
| VDVsx | lcuk_meegoip, yes, completely white already, here in the south | 14:23 |
| test34 | Debolaz, whats so bad about RPM? | 14:23 |
| lcuk_meegoip | Debolaz: on the installer there was the option to encrypt wasnt there? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk_meegoip: only /home which is not good | 14:23 |
| lcuk_meegoip | VDVsx: :) | 14:23 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ahh ok, what stuff gets written outside home that concerns? | 14:23 |
| dm8tbr | full disk encryption as in sans boot partition and then LUKS for the rest? | 14:24 |
| lcuk_meegoip | "i've noticed your battery is running a little low" awesome and friendly message :) | 14:24 |
| Debolaz | Lcuk: /home encryption is in many cases pointless. It requires a fairly advanced understanding about your system to do it right. | 14:24 |
| Debolaz | Its kind of like the story of the emperors new clothes. :) | 14:25 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | Debolaz: *nod* and so how would you go about it properly? | 14:25 |
| Debolaz | test34: Too many painful memories to sum up here. But like I said, its not a blocking issue for me. | 14:26 |
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| Debolaz | lcuk: Full disk encryption. Its conceptually a lot simpler which means less chance of information leaking out unintentionally. | 14:27 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | how does it effect battery life for disk intensive activities? | 14:27 |
| lcuk_meegoip | or is there a chip to help take the load? | 14:28 |
| Bostik | I can answer that one: very little, if the encryption is done with special hardware | 14:28 |
| lcuk_meegoip | *nod* | 14:28 |
| Debolaz | It does have disadvantages with performance for instance, but in some situations this is acceptable. | 14:28 |
| Bostik | and sensible embedded hardware these days have that | 14:28 |
| Debolaz | Ie, where protecting data is more important than 3 seconds less boot time. :) | 14:29 |
| lcuk_meegoip | its much more than 3 seconds though, since having to open the lid, flip the keyboard round and type in a password ;) | 14:29 |
| Debolaz | True. :) | 14:30 |
| Bostik | from where I look at it, the hardest part would be the UI as it needs to be easy to input the passphrase | 14:30 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | preboot environment, can we run qt apps there? ;) | 14:30 |
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| Bostik | lcuk_meegoip: I was actually thinking of devices *without* a keyboard... | 14:31 |
| lcuk_meegoip | Bostik: so was I :) | 14:31 |
| test34 | if you get a few bad sectors on an encrypted disk, does the full disk automatically go bad? | 14:31 |
| Bostik | we'd have to use inird approach | 14:31 |
| test34 | (I mean the data) | 14:32 |
| lcuk_meegoip | we were discussing a predictive vkb last night http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard | 14:32 |
| Bostik | test34: only for the sectors involved (and usually at most one subsequent block beyond) | 14:32 |
| test34 | ok Bostik | 14:32 |
| lcuk_meegoip | that one block might be the most important one tho! | 14:33 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | morning Ash! | 14:33 |
| dm8tbr | lcuk_meegoip: there are 10 kinds of people, those who make backups and those who will start making backups in the future... | 14:33 |
| lcuk_meegoip | extremely true. | 14:34 |
| * lcuk_meegoip must link n900 to ideapad asap, i cant make notes on the screen on this | 14:35 | |
| Bostik | but I know for a fact that at least OMAP's hw-AES has a driver in mainline kernel tree | 14:35 |
| Bostik | (and coworker wrote the 3DES one last week out of boredom) | 14:35 |
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| NooBmonk3y | how many ideapads did they give out?! | 14:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: count(conf_attendees) - count(nokia_sponsored) - count(intel_sponsored) | 14:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | trust me to get a geeky answer | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it should have been >500 iiuc | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and probably <1000 | 14:40 |
| Bostik | intel is slowly phasing in their AES instruction set, but for the time being it's restricted to their top-of-the-line chips only :/ | 14:40 |
| lbt | s/_sponsored/_employed/g | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: no | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i got one | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | because i was LF sponsored | 14:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | awww i want one! lol | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: you'll need a time machine then | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (or you could buy one) | 14:41 |
| lbt | I got one too ... because I wasn't employed (external) | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | strange thing happened to me | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i went to work friday and saw one on a coworker's desk (right next to my desk) | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i asked him how he got one, because he's a nokia employee | 14:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't occur to me that someone could actually buy one w/ his/her own money :o | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but ... it turns out you can :) | 14:42 |
| lcuk_meegoip | timeless_mbp: after the main rush of devices to participants were over a number of devices were given to employees also | 14:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 14:42 |
| lcuk_meegoip | especially those who had a need for them | 14:42 |
| CosmoHill | yay, my program now produces the same output on 1, 4 and 32 cores :D | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: yeah i heard a rumor to that effect | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but i wasn't in that | 14:43 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | you had already gotten one earlier | 14:43 |
| lcuk_meegoip | so had no need to | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 14:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | i guess the answer is probably 800 or 900 | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible someone will blog about the actual number | 14:43 |
| lcuk_meegoip | "lots" | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | about 1100 attendees, at least | 14:44 |
| * lcuk_meegoip recharges batteries | 14:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | what's the "ip" in your nick? | 14:46 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ideapad | 14:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, what happened to timeless_ideapad ? | 14:47 |
| lcuk_meegoip | on twitter they were making a hash tag and after a few variations, it was mentioned meego should be the principle part of the key | 14:47 |
| lcuk_meegoip | it went to sleep most likely | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp | so should i be timeless_w7ip ? | 14:48 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | the screen on this machine is very bright and clear :) | 14:49 |
| lcuk_meegoip | fingerprint smudges make the bright ui and light colors look ugly :P | 14:50 |
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| timeless_w7ip | ok, now i conform, kinda :) | 14:50 |
| lcuk_meegoip | you will never conform :) | 14:51 |
| lcuk_meegoip | did you get your slides/photos uploaded? | 14:51 |
| superh | hi everyone, what's the cheapest OS to try meego? | 14:52 |
| superh | cheapest hardware... | 14:52 |
| lcuk_meegoip | what have you already got# | 14:52 |
| superh | i was looking for a tablet | 14:52 |
| superh | i just have 2 laptops | 14:53 |
| lcuk_meegoip | see a doctor | 14:53 |
| smoku | there is no meego for tablet yet | 14:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/ | 14:53 |
| niala | j #qt-fr | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: ^ kinda | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to get a tool to let me do mass crops | 14:54 |
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| superh | smoku it does support touch screen right? | 14:54 |
| lcuk_meegoip | hmm you mean the same crop window across all the photos? | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: i think http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/control%20panel%20easier%20to%20use.png | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: yeah | 14:54 |
| lcuk_meegoip | superh: yes we have meego netbook edition on our shiny lenovo ideapads | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp | basically http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/mht120.png and friends should mostly be cropped to the same position | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (where the clock is...) | 14:55 |
| smoku | superh, yes, you can move the mouse pointer using the touch screen. is that "support"? | 14:55 |
| lcuk_meegoip | timeless_mbp: wth | 14:55 |
| lcuk_meegoip | problem steps recorder? | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: you've never met psr? | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it's my best friend | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (especially since w7starter doesn't have snipping tool :( ) | 14:55 |
| lcuk_meegoip | is that visual screenshots or using tdriver for qt apps? | 14:55 |
| superh | that sucks | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: psr does this | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it does more too | 14:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm how can i make a qcomboboxes' icon larger? :| | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it takes notes about what you clicked, what you typed, lets you add comments and draw boxes | 14:56 |
| lcuk_meegoip | NooBmonk3y: move closer to the screen | 14:56 |
| timeless_mbp | then it generates a web page that you can view as a slide show | 14:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk | 14:56 |
| lcuk_meegoip | hm | 14:56 |
| superh | "on our" well i don't have a ideapad ;) | 14:56 |
| lcuk_meegoip | packaged for meego? | 14:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | the icons are just too tiny to see, and if i put a large icon in it just resizes it | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: ... [w7 psr.exe from microsoft...] | 14:57 |
| lcuk_meegoip | well that sucks donkey balls | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: there's actually something nowhere near as cool being developed @nokia | 14:57 |
| lcuk_meegoip | will they open source it? | 14:57 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 14:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | i need to get the nokia folks to spend more time looking at the windows impl | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the nokia impl was developed for maemo | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ the same general goals as the ms app | 14:57 |
| timeless_mbp | just w/o the design knowledge | 14:58 |
| lcuk_meegoip | well for the testrunner type apps using tdriver, it should work cross platform for qt apps at least | 14:58 |
| superh | i have an ideapad brother i guess :) but ithink it doesn't support meego because it runs on a Penryn core | 14:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | superh: download a usb stick image and find out? | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: anyway, got a tool that can crop for me? :) | 14:58 |
| superh | isn't meego only for atom cpu? | 14:58 |
| thp | is the mideapad accelerometer easily accessible through sysfs or somesuch? | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: i tried to get someone to look for it in /sys and friends | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | he didn't indicate finding it | 14:59 |
| lcuk_meegoip | timeless_mbp: nope, i had trouble finding a tool to convert pdf to png | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | thp: look in /dev/input | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: heh | 14:59 |
| lcuk_meegoip | same problem, in amiga days arexx would allow this kind of scripting# | 14:59 |
| * lcuk_meegoip cant remember the name of the paint package used for that tho :P | 15:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php | 15:00 |
| * lolloo facepalm | 15:00 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | ahh yes kotzcarny uses that for some things with his osci | 15:01 |
| superh | another question by any chance does nokia provide tool to boot old phones with meego? | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:mozilla-central timeless$ sudo port install ImageMagick | 15:01 |
| sp3000 | well, that'll do both | 15:01 |
| superh | for example e63, e71 e7? | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | superh: snowball's chance? | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | superh: the symbian phones are highly unlikely to see alternative firmware loaders | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | they generally require signed binaries | 15:02 |
| superh | no one hacked that? | 15:02 |
| sp3000 | dunno, the chances for snowballs look pretty good outside | 15:02 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | superh lrn2research, many older phones had extremely different chipsets to do the work and emulating that hardware is a tough problem | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ooh, true | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | snowballs in HEL! | 15:02 |
| * lcuk_meegoip wants virtual 3210 | 15:02 | |
| superh | is the arm v supported by meego? | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | superh: probably not | 15:02 |
| * lcuk_meegoip pokes RST38h | 15:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | most people don't want to remember arm v6 | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | let alone arm v5 | 15:03 |
| thp | Stskeeps: tried all of /dev/input/event*, but no luck :/ | 15:03 |
| lcuk_meegoip | morning thp \p | 15:03 |
| lcuk_meegoip | \o | 15:03 |
| superh | miss the 6 | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: you can look through /sys for the files that mozilla looks through (see logs from yesterday?) | 15:03 |
| sp3000 | \r\n | 15:03 |
| superh | it's not that bad | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | superh: are you a dev or a user? | 15:03 |
| lcuk_meegoip | sp3000 am I right that you and timeless_mbp are normally in the same building | 15:04 |
| thp | lcuk_meegoip: hey ho | 15:04 |
| superh | dev | 15:04 |
| thp | timeless_mbp: mozilla reads the accelerometer? | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: we usually share a desk during weekdays | 15:04 |
| superh | i work at microelectronic company for ip | 15:04 |
| lcuk_meegoip | thought so :) | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: uhuh | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: today's a sunday though... | 15:04 |
| lcuk_meegoip | i know | 15:04 |
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| superh | and i like OS's | 15:04 |
| * timeless_mbp likes pony's | 15:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | i think i can make an exception for snowballs | 15:04 |
| thp | timeless_mbp: what for? ;) | 15:04 |
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| * lcuk_meegoip likes guinness | 15:05 | |
| superh | i like Super Bock | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: the paths mozilla uses to find the accelerometer | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | it can be a useful hint in a basic search | 15:05 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 15:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | port installs way too much junk just to give me imagemagick | 15:05 |
| thp | timeless_mbp: nice, didn't know mozilla had an accelerometer API - just googled it after you said so :p | 15:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | thp: i was going to say "coming soon to a device near you" | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but um... it's probably already *available* on a device near you :) | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | (it supports the n900 among a handful of other devices, including mbp's) | 15:07 |
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| * timeless_mbp goes to try bzr uncommit | 15:08 | |
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| Mat_Matan | bry | 15:08 |
| Mat_Matan | *hi | 15:08 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ~ping | 15:09 |
| infobot | ~pong | 15:09 |
| dm8tbr | siema | 15:09 |
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| Mat_Matan | dm8tbr: o, polak :D | 15:09 |
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| Chani | crap. the internet on my n900 is cutting out every minute or so | 15:10 |
| superh | i was googling arroud for info regarding the scmp that the E63, or the E71 used | 15:10 |
| Chani | oh well, i should be offline anyways | 15:11 |
| lcuk_meegoip | chani try rebooting and are you on pr1.3? | 15:11 |
| Chani | ..hmm. sure, *now* it stays up.. | 15:11 |
| lcuk_meegoip | heh | 15:11 |
| superh | does anyone knows a good source of info for that? | 15:11 |
| Chani | lcuk_meegoip: 1.2 and tried that | 15:11 |
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| dm8tbr | Mat_Matan: nooo :) | 15:12 |
| Chani | altohugh. it might have sometihng to do with pete's torrenting... heh | 15:12 |
| lcuk_meegoip | what are you doing on 1.2 o_O you should be on 1.3 and making full use of the nicer qt onboard :P | 15:12 |
| superh | is it a FreeScale MXC300-30 ? | 15:12 |
| lcuk_meegoip | are you still in bed? :D | 15:12 |
| * lcuk_meegoip is | 15:12 | |
| sp3000 | what are you w.... er | 15:12 |
| Chani | lcuk_meegoip: heard scary things about upgrades gone wrong, decided to wait | 15:12 |
| Chani | aanyways | 15:12 |
| lcuk_meegoip | reasonable enough | 15:12 |
| Chani | i'm going afk | 15:12 |
| * Mek hasn't even upgraded to 1.1 yet :P | 15:13 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | its a shame theres no clock on the screen on this ip, i would know how lazy i am being | 15:13 |
| RST38h | ehlolcuk, what "ip" are you talking about? | 15:15 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ideapad | 15:15 |
| dm8tbr | let's call it IPv5 ;) | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Ah that one... | 15:15 |
| RST38h | You still have original software on it? | 15:16 |
| sivang | niala: pong | 15:16 |
| sivang | HI all! | 15:16 |
| lcuk_meegoip | RST38h: yeah its got meego netbook :P | 15:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: uncommit, yes :) | 15:16 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: why didn't i think of that | 15:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I wanted to suggest it, but then it felt just as unintuitive as the rest of stuff we discussed last night about bzr, and I thought there has to be better way | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: the output is awesome... | 15:17 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: uncommit just add comment or stuff seems un-natural workflow | 15:17 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: </sarcasm> ? | 15:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes | 15:17 |
| timeless_mbp | bzr pull . -r revid:timeless@gmail.com-20101121005543-mev1lvesv3x3fybs | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | now... question of the day: where the heck did it hide this? | 15:18 |
| timeless_mbp | because it doesn't seem to be a file in my working directory | 15:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: oh lenovo actually went ahead with meego netbook as their consumer UI? | 15:18 |
| RST38h | unbelievable =) | 15:18 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I've ever seen such revid in my life, and I've been working for a while with bzr | 15:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | Chani: 1.3 has been out for ages | 15:19 |
| lcuk_meegoip | how do i do strikethro on the wiki? | 15:19 |
| RST38h | <strike> ? =) | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Chani: i convinced sivang to upgrade a week ago | 15:19 |
| * sivang wonders if there were any fixes to 1.3 since it was unofficially released | 15:20 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | hmm wiki.meego.com help pages have an error on the header template of every page about cannot create thumbnail | 15:22 |
| lcuk_meegoip | http://wiki.meego.com/Help:Formatting | 15:22 |
| superh | meego uses X server? :/ | 15:22 |
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| * lcuk_meegoip shakes head at thumbnailing being a universal problem ;) | 15:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: there are packages which were fixed after 1.3 was shipped | 15:23 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: nice, so I can now actually upgrade | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but the one i know of (security whatever) wasn't integrated anywhere | 15:23 |
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| zinit | morning | 15:25 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: oh, I just read some reports about regression with it and never got to upgrade, although some noted it just worked. | 15:25 |
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| zinit | how was it you kill pm window's in irssi? completely forgot:P | 15:26 |
| lcuk_meegoip | RST38h: i did not see any other OS on my ideapad, there were instructions on the board and usb key which were followed by practically all | 15:27 |
| sp3000 | zinit: switch to something else and forget about it? :) | 15:27 |
| WakiMiko | zinit: /q or /window close | 15:27 |
| zinit | sp3000: hehe. running irc in a screen on a remote server | 15:27 |
| sp3000 | still, that's what I do :) | 15:27 |
| sp3000 | then again I never switch to anything but "active" and 1 | 15:28 |
| zinit | :P | 15:28 |
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| zinit | havent got xchat working in meego yet, so using irssi from a debian machine I got at the gandi.net system | 15:28 |
| lcuk_meegoip | timoph: do you have the links,notes to your repository with xchat and stuff in it? | 15:29 |
| zinit | if anyone need to get the meego isntall image I got it on my server there (alot faster than the meego.com site) | 15:29 |
| lcuk_meegoip | zinit: which image? | 15:30 |
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| zinit | lcuk_meegoip: the install image to install meego | 15:30 |
| zinit | upped it there a few days ago | 15:31 |
| lcuk_meegoip | yeah, which variant/build | 15:31 |
| zinit | 1.2 | 15:31 |
| zinit | sec, and I | 15:31 |
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| zinit | http://zinit.servebeer.com/div | 15:31 |
| zinit | its there | 15:31 |
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| zinit | should say the buildnumber there | 15:31 |
| zinit | 1.1 it sais | 15:32 |
| zinit | 1.2 isnt out yet is it? | 15:32 |
| lcuk_meegoip | theres no sources/release notes/information about contents. thats a massive binary blob on non official servers.. | 15:33 |
| lcuk_meegoip | damn i lost my ciggy lighter | 15:33 |
| kyb3R | a survey for MeeGo contributors has been released. More information can be found here: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2022 | 15:34 |
| kyb3R | sorry if that was considered spamming.... | 15:34 |
| zinit | wget doesnt seem to work though.. | 15:35 |
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| zinit | the image on my server is the one that was on the official site on thursday. dont know if ther ehas been released a new one since thursday afternoon | 15:36 |
| lcuk_meegoip | kyb3R: it says the results will be released, since we are all open, how about also releasing the anonymised data itself rather than just conclusions? | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/ | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | now with cropped images! | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ls *.png|xargs -I {} convert {} -crop '424x260+620+340' x/{} | 15:37 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | neat timeless :) | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: um | 15:37 |
| timeless_mbp | 90-95% of your respondents will be Male | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | defaulting to Female is asking for bad data | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | unless you're testing to see what portion of the male population is capable of filling out a form | 15:38 |
| kyb3R | timeless_mbp: defaultinh to male is better? | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | defaulting to --- and mandatory is best | 15:38 |
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| kyb3R | ok | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, picking Male for a 2 state is better than using a 2 state and defaulting to female | 15:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: since i'm picking through this... | 15:39 |
| kyb3R | lcuk_meegoip: could be an option too to release the data too | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | your questions are in typical en-FI | 15:39 |
| timeless_mbp | > 3.What is your gender? | 15:40 |
| * lcuk_meegoip ponders the breakpoint for educational studies and how to get some more certificates :P | 15:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | you're missing a space after <.> | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you should use <ul> + <li> and let the browser do that for you :) | 15:40 |
| kyb3R | :) | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | > What is the year of your birth? | 15:40 |
| kyb3R | it's an automated system | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Ask "what year were you born in?" | 15:40 |
| kyb3R | i dont write the HTML | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't automated | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the others aren't missing the space | 15:40 |
| timeless_mbp | > What is your work situation? | 15:41 |
| pexi | there are bigger bias issues than strict html, just complete the survey :) | 15:41 |
| kyb3R | referring to your comment: 15:43 < timeless_mbp> you should use <ul> + <li> and let the browser do that for you :) | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | What is your employment status? | 15:41 |
| lcuk_meegoip | lol pexi | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | ... and the answers should be "employed (full-time)", "employed (part-time)", ... | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | don't use "I ..." for answers | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | > Is the job... | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | don't use that form | 15:42 |
| lcuk_meegoip | kyb3R: since i am taking part in this, i would very kindly request you are proactive in ensuring the data collected is also made available. i will then be happy to fill in the survey on a schedule :) | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and try to avoid mixing "in" and "on" prepositions | 15:42 |
| lcuk_meegoip | ie more than the vague thing you said :P | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (best to avoid them entirely by fixing the question to not need them) | 15:42 |
| kyb3R | lcuk_meegoip: if it's needed, then it will be released :) | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | in en-<proper> you do not work <on> the private sector | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | the sector is a container, and you're said to work <in> it | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | (unless you're a government agent working to "fix" the private sector) | 15:43 |
| lcuk_meegoip | kyb3R: you are asking meego people who care about openness, it is needed. | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: lcuk_meegoip's right | 15:43 |
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| pexi | add some questions like i had trouble filling this questionnare (and i don't have asberger) to make'em happy :) | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | you're asking for data from an open community, to some extent you need to provide the data back | 15:43 |
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| fcrochik | Can anybody help me with some light on an OBS issue? I can't get pass the %prep and I am running out of guesses | 15:44 |
| pexi | ofc they bring information | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: heh | 15:44 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: and NGO isn't "the third sector" | 15:45 |
| pexi | actually raw data would be nice :) | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | there's the "third world" (which is where a number of NGOs work) | 15:45 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: there is nothing I tried that will let me get anything different than https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik&repository=meego_1.1_extras_Netbook | 15:45 |
| zinit | got one little problem here with meego... no wget, any suggestions how to get that in with the package system that exist for meego? | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: try man curl? | 15:45 |
| lcuk_meegoip | zypper install wget? | 15:45 |
| zinit | sais wget wasnt there | 15:46 |
| lcuk_meegoip | revdkathy got it on | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | man curl | 15:46 |
| lcuk_meegoip | i think she has timoph's repo tho | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | for some insane reason distro people like curl (it's more unixy) over wget (which is more user friendly) | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | they're both a bit weird imo | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | + $'\r' | 15:47 |
| zinit | curl's here. | 15:47 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: I tried all the variants I could come up with for the %prep section but doesn't make any difference... it seems that is failing with the same errors regardless of what I have under the %prep section.... | 15:47 |
| * lcuk_meegoip fills in the survey but i think some details will be out of date | 15:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: you should get it to cat the file | 15:47 |
| sp3000 | like, income will be out of date after taxes ;) | 15:47 |
| kyb3R | lcuk_meegoip: such as? | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | there's something wrong w/ the line after 'unset DISPLAY' | 15:47 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | kyb3R: details, i might fill it in twice :P | 15:48 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: I don | 15:48 |
| kyb3R | lcuk_meegoip: ah ok | 15:48 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: I don't have unset DISPLAY anywhere...it is something the OBS is creating by itself | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: well err :) | 15:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | macuco' /home/abuild/rpmbuild/SOURCES/macuco2.spec | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.hvzHS0 | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | odds are the tmp file came from that spec file | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | so you'd want to look at the spec file | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it looks like a script was expecting output and got a strange line feed instead | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and then more or less tried to execute it | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (which rarely works) | 15:49 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: that is what I have tried for the past many hours since I got access to the obs.... but doesn't matter what I change on the spec file I get the same result | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: try 'file macuco2.spec' ? | 15:49 |
| sp3000 | or dos2unix or suchlike | 15:50 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: where? try what? | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: somewhere where your package sources are | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 15:50 |
| sp3000 | random carriage returns make for the most exciting problems :D | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, or just dos2unix as sp3000 noted (may require installing dos2unix...) | 15:50 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: hey, i haven't hit one of those in at least... a week? | 15:51 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: I created it and changed it several times... no matter how simple or complex I make it I always get the same result.... I wonder if it is not something else... I haven't found any packages that were actually created recently | 15:51 |
| lcuk_meegoip | kyb3R: the survey assumes I have a single focus on device type, i have multiple handsets around me and am using meego netbook now, but only one option is available | 15:52 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: if you know about spec can you look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=macuco2.spec&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik? | 15:52 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: sorry.... added a question mark to the url: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=macuco2.spec&package=macuco&project=home%3Afcrochik | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | my irc client ignored your ? mark :) | 15:52 |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, nice pic of you on my flickr page. | 15:52 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: where? I have never seen I nice pict of myself :( | 15:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: sadly it's rather hard to trust a web server about line endings | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't know obs well enough to know how raw raw is | 15:53 |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, generalantilles on flickr | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | oh wow | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | google has a "Search flickr.com" button | 15:54 |
| kyb3R | lcuk_meegoip: the question includes word 'primary' for that reason. If you are referring to the Q:19b | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: aww http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2883122372/in/photostream/ | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | flickr doesn't think the cat has a face | 15:55 |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193491175/ | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: context... Picasa likes to accuse statues of having faces | 15:56 |
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| fcrochik | GAN900: hey I look as good as ever! :) | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ooh, i was shot! http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193491967/in/set-72157625434963604/ | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, got a few more, those were the first tier shots, though. | 15:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: check out the face in the top left corner http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193488127/in/set-72157625434963604/ | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it's Qole :) | 15:58 |
| sp3000 | impressive | 15:59 |
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| * timeless_mbp feels better now | 15:59 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | awesome I am on a picture :D | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip =~ s/on/in/ | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | unless you're sitting on it... | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: some of us having been doing OSS for a while | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | you should have an option "I can't remember" | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | also, I think MeeGo is in its first year | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | so asking which year someone got income from MeeGo in is mostly a stupid question | 16:01 |
| RST38h | That may be a British way to say it | 16:01 |
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| kyb3R | the same survey will be done yearly, so that's why the question is there | 16:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: "annually" :) | 16:02 |
| kyb3R | sorry | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: this is for your benefit, not mine | 16:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | > 13.On average, how many hours per week do you use on MeeGo development? | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | s/use/spend/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: > 13.On average, how many hours per week do you spend on MeeGo development? | 16:02 |
| w00t | survey? | 16:02 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: it is very hard when you don't know what you are doing .... took me a while to figure out the autobuilder on maemo and now I have this :( | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | w00t: "NEEDSWORK" | 16:02 |
| lcuk_meegoip | feedback | 16:02 |
| lcuk_meegoip | feedforward | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: yeah | 16:03 |
| sp3000 | formfeed | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: i'd suggest trying to build a basic rpm locally | 16:03 |
| lcuk_meegoip | E:PRINTERONFIRE | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | > 14.If working on Meego is part of your job, please tell the name of the company that employs you. (The information is kept confidential.) | 16:03 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: I have to say that this is one option that I haven't had considered :) | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: please spell MeeGo consistently (and correctly) | 16:04 |
| lcuk_meegoip | GAN900: awesome shot | 16:04 |
| lcuk_meegoip | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193490049/in/set-72157625434963604/ | 16:04 |
| * lcuk_meegoip rarely has photos of him | 16:04 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | self | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: s/please tell the name of the company.*/what company do you work for?/ | 16:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Was there bacon in the box? | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | >15.When companies give money to a community, it should be free to decide how to use it? | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: the question here is ambiguous | 16:05 |
| * NooBmonk3y blinks | 16:05 | |
| lcuk_meegoip | RST38h: for once, no | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | do you mean <company>/<companies> or <community> | 16:05 |
| sp3000 | pffft, the singular it totally resolves that ;) | 16:05 |
| * lcuk_meegoip had sleeves rolled up and was getting involved \o/ | 16:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: yeah yeah | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's better to write "Communities should be free to use money donated by companies however they please" | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: i think my parser expanded it as: | 16:07 |
| fcrochik | that is something new: segmentation fault on zypper trying to install rpmbuild.... | 16:07 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | my god at full resolution thats a decent camera GAN900 | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | When companies give money to a community, each company ... | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: sounds like apt :) | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | you should feel right at home :) | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | is this sudo | 16:07 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: yes! | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: are you a meego dev? | 16:08 |
| sp3000 | yea, the rhythm seems to suggest that | 16:08 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: never had this issue with apt :) | 16:08 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: I don't do labels :) | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | > 17.During the last year, how often have you had face-to-face contacts with other MeeGo developers (on average)? | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: you have to so i can answer question 17 :) | 16:08 |
| fcrochik | timeless_mbp: with this success rate I am just going to shutdown my ideapad and go back to the n900... It is so much nicer to me! :) | 16:08 |
| sp3000 | is there a "maybe"? | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 16:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | daily, weekly, monthly, more than once a year, once a year, never | 16:09 |
| Robot101 | why does chromium seem to work so much worse on the ideapad than my laptop? | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: in the context of a year "once a year" should just be "once" | 16:09 |
| Robot101 | pages lock up *all the time* | 16:09 |
| Robot101 | is it a duff version or something? | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and "more than once a year" should be "a couple of times" | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | (a couple is understood to be <<12) | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | > 19. b) What is the primary device type for your MeeGo development? | 16:10 |
| w00t | Robot101: lock up how? | 16:10 |
| sp3000 | I think I may have maintained a patch queue for something that appears somewhere | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: this is the question you didn't like? | 16:11 |
| sp3000 | I think that makes me a janitor | 16:11 |
| w00t | i've noticed problems with flash on there at least | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: you're definitely a janitor | 16:11 |
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| w00t | but haven't yet been able to find specifically what causes it | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | that wasn't in the list of options | 16:11 |
| lcuk_meegoip | timeless_mbp: sure, it should be multichoice | 16:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: tbh, i don't understand the question | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | is it "what do you use", "what do you build on", "what do you build for", or something else? | 16:11 |
| lcuk_meegoip | Robot101: depends what sites perhaps? i had flash crash once and kill youtube I was playing and all other tabs | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i probably build on my mbp | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | today i probably use my ideapad | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and tomorrow i probably build for handset | 16:12 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: debian tends to make some distinction between creatures like maintainers and developers | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: clearly for good reason | 16:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | tell that to kyb3R (possibly in finnish, maybe it'd be easier for him?) | 16:12 |
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| fcrochik | ok...something "funny".... on the ideapad "sudo zypper install rpm-build" crashes with segmentation fault when downloading elfutils-lib... if I install it by itself and then the rest it works... it is just my luck these days! | 16:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | fcrochik: stackwanted | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | bugwanted | 16:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, dinner for yesterday wanted | 16:14 |
| * timeless_mbp considers | 16:14 | |
| RST38h | fcrochik: gdb it and figure out what is wrong? | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: have you had food? | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | (sp3000 no longer lives i Espoo) | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: if you're going to say that you should be willing to do some hand holding :) | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | like steps to install debug symbols for zypper :) | 16:15 |
| Robot101 | lcuk_meegoip: no, just loads and loads of sites - flash, youtube, last.fm, twitter, we7, etc, all crashing and hanging randomly | 16:15 |
| * RST38h is ok with handholding in this case | 16:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | > 21.If you have participated in proprietary software development, what role have you had? | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | no, but I have plans for for the next 2h or so | 16:15 |
| lcuk_meegoip | eek Robot101 thats not good at all | 16:15 |
| Robot101 | w00t: pages just stopping responding, and sometimes it does the whole, page has crashed, thing | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: plans for food? | 16:15 |
| RST38h | No netbooks or Meego here, so my handholding will be limited by whatever google codesearch finds | 16:15 |
| Robot101 | the rest of everything on the netbook works fine, and chromium works much better for me everywhere else | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | is a product which is derived from open source software considered proprietary? | 16:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: feedback from conf? | 16:16 |
| sp3000 | no, other stuff :) | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: hrm, i might be able to wait 2 hours | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ping me when you're done? | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: a survey which needs a lot more work than your slides | 16:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ha ha ha | 16:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: :) | 16:17 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: where is it? | 16:17 |
| sp3000 | k | 16:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | somewhere a couple hundred lines back, b kyb3R | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | > I participate only as much is needed to use the system | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: s/is/as/ | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | What is the point of making a convertible netbook if the viewing angle is so shit that you can't see the screen right from dead center? | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: note that you shouldn't use a agree/netural/disagree | 16:18 |
| * GAN900 stabs Lenovo to death. | 16:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: heh | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: you need to support things like "sometimes" | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. there are some projects where i only contribute to get things working | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and there are some projects where i contribute a lot more | 16:19 |
| * kyb3R is taking notes | 16:19 | |
| GAN900 | Turning itself off for no reason when you're rotating the screen is also cool. | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: :) | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: hrm, i don't think i recall that | 16:19 |
| RST38h | gan: gotta have the right specs sheet and the right price | 16:19 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: right, found it | 16:19 |
| RST38h | gan: screen quality is not a requirement though | 16:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | > Form is going to be submitted. | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | > Proceed | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: hrm.. that's not what you want to write | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | try taking some surveys from american firms | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (or british, it hardly matters) | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | > Finish (Send all Data) | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | also not the right text | 16:21 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: are the spelling mistakes so bad? ;) | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | > The data has been successfully saved! | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: spelling mistakes are *always* bad | 16:21 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, wish I had kept the box. Would probably sell it. | 16:21 |
| * timeless_mbp filed a bug about lenovo misspelling Firefox | 16:21 | |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I used OOo's spelling checker :-p | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: you need to use a grammar checker too :) | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno if OOo has one | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | Might've gotten me partially to a MacBook Air. | 16:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | sivang: actually, your spelling wasn't bad at all | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: i have a box here | 16:22 |
| RST38h | gan: well, it is still usable as a torrent/file/media server | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i hope so | 16:22 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: well, for someone who's not a native speaker, working his ass off on the slides and data gathering until last minute before the talk, I think it turned out to be quite good ;) | 16:22 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't opened luggage after it arrived last night | 16:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: oh, it did | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I've got plenty of things for that. | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to compare your rather good text to the survey i just finished | 16:22 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: grammer is always hard, indeed | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | which was abysmal | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: one other detail... | 16:23 |
| RST38h | gan: will it play full-sized videos without hiccups btw? | 16:23 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: heh, coming from you, I feel complimented as you I know your attentions to these details and appreciate it. | 16:23 |
| sivang | s/you// | 16:23 |
| infobot | sivang meant: timeless_mbp: heh, coming from , I feel complimented as you I know your attentions to these details and appreciate it. | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | that s/// failed ;-) | 16:23 |
| sivang | haha | 16:23 |
| sivang | it di! | 16:23 |
| sivang | did | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: glad you understood it correctly | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | kyb3R: i'm not sure what the license MeeGo has for its Art | 16:24 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I wish I was natie speaker, maybe if I get to relocate I will go to study *proper* english abroad. | 16:24 |
| sivang | *native | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 16:24 |
| RST38h | #define proper English | 16:24 |
| Bostik | Oxford? ;) | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: en-IL and en-RU and en-FI are *not* proper | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | nor is en-IT for that matter | 16:24 |
| lcuk_meegoip | en-MANC is :P | 16:25 |
| RST38h | timeless: Neither is en-US, you despicable scoundrel! | 16:25 |
| lcuk_meegoip | tho sometimes we need subtitles | 16:25 |
| * RST38h cackles with satisfaction | 16:25 | |
| kyb3R | :) | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: properly tagged en-US is valid | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | properly tagged en-GB is valid | 16:25 |
| zinit | there is no such thing as "proper english". all english speaking countries have their own definition:P | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | mistagged en-US/en-GB is not | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: speaking en-GB and thinking it's en-US isn't proper | 16:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the converse | 16:26 |
| lcuk_meegoip | zinit: even in england there is a wide variety of accents and differences | 16:26 |
| zinit | exacly | 16:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | also, en-GB-cockney isn't proper English | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it may be spoken by some of The English | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't proper | 16:26 |
| zinit | exacly... | 16:26 |
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| * kyb3R will take several English courses before submitting a new survey, perhaps even spend some time with ppl who speak proper English | 16:27 | |
| zinit | ask a londoner, a welsh, a scot, and an irishman... they all speak english, and they will say they speak "proper" englisg and the others dont.. | 16:27 |
| lcuk_meegoip | i saw something about Oulu having a huge amount of bike paths | 16:27 |
| lcuk_meegoip | do they also have bike hire? | 16:27 |
| RST38h | zinit: Well, a spoken language is usually a living thing, it changes with time and allows for variations | 16:28 |
| zinit | yepp | 16:28 |
| RST38h | zinit: As to written language, different people have different views | 16:29 |
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| zinit | yepp | 16:29 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 16:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: view-source:http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/ | 16:29 |
| RST38h | zinit: There are some who allow for variations, and then there are grammar nazis =) | 16:29 |
| zinit | in norway we got a gouvernment counsel for that... | 16:29 |
| zinit | they are the worst... | 16:29 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: hm? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | zinit: In Japan, the NHK (!) publishes a list of new words annually | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: France and Germany and Japan (?) have similar | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | <td nowrap valign=top align=right><a href="/ideapad/source/comicchat%20meego.png"><img 'class='file icon' ALIGN=ABSBOTTOM BORDER=0 SRC="/icons/image2.gif"></a></td> | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: note the extra single quote before class? | 16:30 |
| zinit | there are 2 written languages in norway... one is basicly danish with some norwegian words, and thee other is fabricated from dialects in a small geographic area... | 16:30 |
| RST38h | zinit: There are no other ways they formalize their language, AFAIK | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | (fixed in local instance) | 16:30 |
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| sp3000 | heh | 16:31 |
| sivang | RST38h: well, to be able to author content without breaking phrases, which often happens when you are not native. e.g. using a phrase in a wrong construct, wrong tense etc. | 16:31 |
| sivang | more around what timeless_mbp said, I'd like to pick en-GB and stick to it, follow it properly | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk_meegoip: reload http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/ | 16:31 |
| sivang | cause now it is a mesh of phrases from tv, spoken british/american english, phrases I imported from Hebrew to English etc. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | sivang: Native speakers also make similar errors, all the time | 16:32 |
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| sivang | RST38h: I feel it is less in rate, though | 16:32 |
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| sivang | RST38h: but they do, sure | 16:32 |
| RST38h | sivang: Still, the kind of errors you make depends on your native language | 16:32 |
| sivang | RST38h: hence wanting to stick to one and propely follow it, yes | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: nb-NO/nb-NN or whatever | 16:32 |
| RST38h | sivang: Both Germans and Russians absolutely LOVE passive tense in English, for example =) | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: and Finns | 16:33 |
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| sivang | RST38h: also, having practiced enough phrases and constructs in speech so when I get a bit nervous, like in the talk, I use the proper english constructs and import from Hebrew. | 16:33 |
| sivang | RST38h: :) | 16:33 |
| RST38h | sivang: Americans often mess up past/present times, in their own language | 16:33 |
| zinit | exacly... nb-NO is the danish with a few norwegian words, and nb-NN is the fabricated one | 16:34 |
| sivang | RST38h: instead of "importing from Hebrew" that is | 16:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: i really need to do something about colspan | 16:34 |
| frinring | lbt: Hi! I would like to have my account activated for the community obs. My account name is "kossebau". I was told that you can do that :) | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason i don't normally let source work for big images is that you get lame jumping | 16:35 |
| RST38h | sivang: Very few people *speak* proper English any more, so do not worry :) | 16:35 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | frinring: also X-Fade is able to, but since its Sunday it may be that you could wait till tomorrow, I believe there is also a wiki page somewhere to add name to and they can get round to it asap | 16:36 |
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| berndhs | RST38h: can't you just define your own locale if people complain ? | 16:36 |
| sivang | RST38h: :) | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | berndhs: language is a convention used to enable mutual understanding | 16:38 |
| RST38h | berndhs: Yes, just use the "I am an asshole." disclaimer =) | 16:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | if people don't understand your locale, your use of language is useless | 16:39 |
| sivang | RST38h: however, studying english is rather a pleasure for me, as well as dealing with it in any event. And I've always took interest in British literature and language. You can get a lot of insight into culture when studying a language, as I found out with Hungarian. | 16:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | (possibly quite harmful) | 16:39 |
| RST38h | sivang: I have found reading to be the best way to study though | 16:39 |
| frinring | lcuk_meegoip: thanks. any idea how to find that wiki page? is not referenced from http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | sivang: As to English classes, dunno about the Brits, but the US ones were next to useless =( | 16:40 |
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| lcuk_meegoip | frinring: it was mentioned in passing whilst I had no computer/irc to log from, we shall have to ensure its found and linked to that page for later, for now wait for lbt or X-Fade to pick up your request and perhaps they will also know the url | 16:41 |
| RST38h | sivang: They do not teach English structurally, like it is done abroad, and the whole process just feels confusing | 16:41 |
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| sivang | RST38h: true,I should get more into proper redin | 16:42 |
| sivang | RST38h: e.g. less technical and more literature wise | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, which English classes? | 16:42 |
| sivang | technical authors tend to not be too good with the language | 16:42 |
| sivang | "seperate presentation from model" :-) | 16:43 |
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| frinring | lcuk_meegoip: okay, will stay tuned | 16:43 |
| RST38h | GAN: Standard stuff, ESL for immigrants, ENGL101, then some graduate writing class | 16:44 |
| sp3000 | separate, too. | 16:44 |
| RST38h | GAN: ENGL101 was actually useful, to understand how everybody expects an essay to be structured | 16:44 |
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| sivang | sp3000: yes | 16:45 |
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| till | Heya. | 16:46 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, ah. | 16:46 |
| sivang | hey till | 16:46 |
| till | We're here at the KDE mobile sprint, playing with some of our apps on the IdeaPads | 16:47 |
| till | There seems to be a font quality problem in Qt, atm, has anyone researched that yet? | 16:47 |
| till | Missing font package? Antialiasing turned off somewhere low level? | 16:47 |
| sivang | sp3000: this happens when you hear the word and write it how it sounds, instead of remembering how it is written, this always happens for words that the spelling is not as intuitive to the sound. | 16:47 |
| sp3000 | seprät | 16:49 |
| notmart | another nice video on the ideapad arriving btw :) | 16:50 |
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| lcuk_meego | how much cpu.power does it take to maintain a bluetooth list of nearby devices? | 17:07 |
| RST38h | not much | 17:07 |
| lcuk_meego | is it something that can be done in the background when in conference mode? | 17:07 |
| lcuk_meego | and does it always take a long time to update? for instance is it fast enough to make device ping when it recognises someone on the corridor | 17:08 |
| lcuk_meego | as walking past them | 17:08 |
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| notmart | uhm, is the main repository down? | 17:09 |
| notmart | can't seem to install base packages from zypper atm | 17:09 |
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| notmart | uhm, happens both in the chroot environment and from the lenovo | 17:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: It takes that long becauseit is achieved by scanning bt frequencies | 17:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And even if you have got a list, you won't be able to connect to any of these devices without pairing, which always includes a manual component | 17:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Could you explain the top view of what you would like to achieve? =) | 17:19 |
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| mortenmj | Stskeeps: around? | 17:21 |
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| Chani | till: people were talking about font problems the other day; i forget what they said though. something about subpixel rendering i think? | 17:33 |
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| till | sub pixel hinting? | 17:35 |
| * notmart sad that can't download dependencies in the chroot env to try local package building | 17:36 | |
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| notmart | the font issue seems just settings | 17:41 |
| notmart | forcing rto antialias in systemsettings does work | 17:41 |
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| marnanel | On the OBS, when it asks you to upload files, should you upload the individual files needed to build, or a tarball as you'd put in ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES? | 17:43 |
| notmart | tarball | 17:43 |
| marnanel | cheers | 17:43 |
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| mortenmj | another obs question, for anyone in the know. i depend on packages in meego-extras, so i need to link/aggregate, right? i'm trying but failing | 17:44 |
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| mortenmj | here's what i've put in _aggregate: http://pastebin.ca/1997984 | 17:45 |
| mortenmj | the obs tells me "missing repositories: MeeGo:1.1:Extras" | 17:47 |
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| lcuk_idea | good morning Alison_Chaiken \o | 17:48 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Good morning lcuk. | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | meow | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | i am finally out of bed anyway :) | 17:49 |
| lcuk | side by side, meego netbook boots up much faster than ubuntu :) | 17:50 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 17:50 |
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| CosmoHill | wait, it's almost 4pm | 17:50 |
| RST38h | moblin people specifically worked toward boot time reduction | 17:50 |
| lcuk | yeah, hence good morning! | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol, it's the best APS-C camera ever made. | 17:51 |
| lcuk | yeah I know RST38h, only niggle is that its set to ask for password and it doesnt | 17:51 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, outstanding photos, bet you are glad you got it now | 17:51 |
| RST38h | Neither does Maemo! =) | 17:51 |
| lcuk | good point RST38h | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | but my laptop has a password and expects one | 17:52 |
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| smoku | how do I install more than lastfm and twitter support in meego? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | easier to just keep my nokia in my pocket than a big laptop I might leave around | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, just wish I had gotten more pictures of Dublin on Sunday. | 17:52 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, collectively I think we can piece together the whole event | 17:53 |
| lcuk | there were enough photos of all sorts of places | 17:53 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, does your eos connect easily to your ideapad for offloading the photos, or did you not try yet | 17:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, works fine. | 17:54 |
| lcuk | even more awesome would be using hostmode on handset :) | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although the 18MP RAW files bring it to its knees. | 17:54 |
| lcuk | its not always a bad thing | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Does it run...mghm...GIMP? | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, need to learn to use that one day. . . . | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's F-Spot? | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Tried F-Spot a few times, it works, but it is no GIMP of course | 17:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, at the conf | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | there was a discussion about a usable simple ui front end to gimp | 17:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Such a discussion should always start with defining what the hell do you want from it, which subset of functions :) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | can't have simple and all features at the same time | 17:58 |
| lcuk | of course RST38h - it was mentioned by me that this sort of ting is alweays difficult | 17:58 |
| lcuk | get it wrong and its like windows wizards | 17:58 |
| lcuk | where people can walk through once but then still get lost when they need to tweak beyond that | 17:58 |
| lcuk | thing ^ | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | but at least having data modified in a way you understand and filled in allows you to map the actions and choices you made in the simple UI into the more complex one | 17:59 |
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| * lcuk uses microsoft photo editor from office 2000 for many simple tasks still | 18:00 | |
| croland | Has anyone tried paint.net? it comes close to a simple ui with a decent set of features | 18:00 |
| lcuk | croland, will it build on mono? | 18:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: btw, photo processing on handhelds is probably a fail | 18:01 |
| lcuk | ie usable on meego | 18:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: considering image sizes and the swap usage =( | 18:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it shouldnt be, theres simple effects and transformations that are commonly requested | 18:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yes, a few simple things should be possible | 18:01 |
| lcuk | take crop for instance, it even managed to emerge on n900 maemo | 18:01 |
| croland | don't know, it's closed source, but free. I've used it a couple times and always thought it did a decent job of keeping things simple, but had the features I needed | 18:01 |
| lcuk | croland, its also windows specific? | 18:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: there is even a tool like that, written in python unfortunately | 18:02 |
| croland | yeah, I threw it out there more as an example of a simple ui :) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, python backed by well formed libraries with a sane object model is not such an issue | 18:02 |
| lcuk | even 20 years ago we had that functionality on 14mhz amigas (arexx) | 18:03 |
| lcuk | binding glue | 18:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I do not like what it does to themount table, otherwise I am ok | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, sure, that seems overly excessive | 18:03 |
| lcuk | not sure how it sits on meego though yet | 18:03 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In fact, the simulation framework we use at work is based on python | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | sure | 18:05 |
| lcuk | how do i stop my ideapad from blanking screen after a few minutes idle | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | i only want it to go off if i close the lid | 18:05 |
| lcuk | "power and brightness" settings are both to "Never" | 18:06 |
| lcuk | but it still goes off | 18:06 |
| RST38h | YOu file a bug report. | 18:06 |
| lcuk | well I was pondering if its a bug or my lack of knowledge of settings :) | 18:06 |
| RST38h | BTW, it may be a screensaver (not related to power saving) | 18:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk: you have a Flickr account? | 18:07 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, ah, damn, trying to tag all of the relevant people in my photos. | 18:07 |
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| sp3000 | sivang: "always happens for words that the spelling is not as intuitive to the sound"... like, for english words? :) | 18:08 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so, where to | 18:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too many languages making up the mix. | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, indian is an option | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm open to others | 18:09 |
| sp3000 | indian sounds good | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | so the place by the radison | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | how long does it take for you to get there? | 18:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm working w/ db48x on slides, almost done | 18:09 |
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| sp3000 | I don't know | 18:10 |
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| sp3000 | how can greasemonkey still not be compatible with fxwhateverimusing | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:11 |
| berndhs | lbt: ping | 18:11 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: ping | 18:11 |
| sp3000 | I actually have to figure out myself where I am :) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | lcuk is already a taken name at flickr | 18:12 |
| sp3000 | lst time I estimated a roundtrip to kamppi I was about 2x off | 18:12 |
| lcuk | hm | 18:12 |
| Jartza | from where? | 18:12 |
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| sp3000 | a walking distance :) | 18:13 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: :30 | 18:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, so i'll head out in :20 i think | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | see you at :45 | 18:14 |
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| sp3000 | at :30 I meant fwiw :) | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 18:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, then i'll leave in :05 and see you there! | 18:15 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, "lcukmeego" | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, excellent. | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | and if anybody didn't catch the silly MeeGo advertisement during the game: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5193447749/ | 18:16 |
| lcuk | meego football ux was cool :D | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | I saw another advert which I think said "Finish stronger" I thought they had made a typo | 18:18 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, the Viagra ad? ;) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 18:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900, et al: ^ i think the slides are somewhat/mostly done | 18:22 |
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| lbt | frinring: done https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 18:23 |
| lbt | berndhs: give me 10m | 18:23 |
| berndhs | lbt: no rush | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, titles should be bigger than content. | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | Bold will help, too | 18:23 |
| * lcuk slides over a guinness to lbt :) | 18:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: yeah yeah | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have a gdocs account, i'll give you edit and you can clean up | 18:24 |
| timeless_mbp | we only finished the slides now | 18:24 |
| * lcuk likes the idea of contributing to a contribution slideshow | 18:24 | |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, sure, can do that this evening | 18:24 |
| GAN900 | rabelg5 at gmail | 18:24 |
| marnanel | another OBS question. I'm getting the error "nothing provides nautilus-devel". Why does nothing provide it? I can see it fine with zypper over here. | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | alright | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | s/Dedicated hobbyists developers/Dedicated hobbyist developers/ | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | Slide 7 | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm off to meet sp3000 for food | 18:26 |
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| mortenmj | marnanel: sounds like the same problem i have. could it be that nautilus-devel isn't in the meego core repository, but in e.g. meego extras? | 18:28 |
| lcukn900 | hahaha jacob is on google typing a search | 18:29 |
| lcukn900 | he is trying to bring up google | 18:29 |
| lcukn900 | oh, now he is looking for ferraris | 18:29 |
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| marnanel | mortenmj: interesting: thanks. I wonder how I tell it to look in meego-extras then. | 18:29 |
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| RST38h | BTW, given a string in UTF8, how do I tell the browser that it is utf8? | 18:32 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: how are you giving the string to the browser? | 18:32 |
| mortenmj | marnanel: i've been wondering the same for the past 30 minutes | 18:32 |
| RST38h | thiago: inside an html page | 18:33 |
| thiago_home | the page has an encoding | 18:33 |
| lbt | lcukn900: well, I have a nice head on my coffee anyhow ;) | 18:33 |
| RST38h | ah found it | 18:33 |
| lbt | berndhs: ? | 18:33 |
| RST38h | http-equiv etc | 18:33 |
| mortenmj | lbt: me and marnanel have some build dependencies on packages not in meego-core. how do we resolve that? | 18:33 |
| mortenmj | in my case, they're in meego-extras | 18:34 |
| marnanel | (my dependency is "nautilus-devel", fwiw) | 18:35 |
| sivang | GAN900: do you get slide #19? I'm not sure I follow | 18:35 |
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| lbt | so... I see 2 roles: maintainer and porter | 18:36 |
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| lbt | porter is when you'd expect to see a dependency in MeeGo but it isn't there | 18:36 |
| lbt | maintainer is when you maintain the package | 18:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, I just poured a bottle of guinness into a wine glass. interesting experiment | 18:36 |
| lbt | ideally we'd have surrounds | 18:36 |
| lbt | for now just port the package to your project | 18:37 |
| sivang | lbt: isn't that planned? | 18:37 |
| lbt | I can create a temporary top level shared area if it would be useful | 18:37 |
| lbt | sivang: yes | 18:37 |
| lbt | lcuk: try a sherry glass tower a little later in the evening | 18:38 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago: I'm back :) | 18:38 |
| lcuk | lbt, you will have to show me that trick | 18:38 |
| lbt | mortenmj: what do you mean "in my case, they're in meego-extras" | 18:39 |
| lcuk | hey Dawn \o enjoying Sunday I hope | 18:39 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: Enjoying it so far, but I just woke up :) | 18:39 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: hey... wanted to ask you for a pub-dev mailing list when you get time... any dev stuff that's not intended for core | 18:39 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: me an marnanel both have the same problem, separately. the packages i need are in meego-extras | 18:40 |
| rscl8y8h6 | hello guys | 18:41 |
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| lbt | define "meego-extras" ... ? | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: that's going to need to be carefully named to avoid confusion with meego-dev and meego-sdk | 18:41 |
| rsc85 | is there a developer of meego on N900??? | 18:41 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: what kinds of things would people use it for? | 18:42 |
| * thiago_home points to Stskeeps | 18:42 | |
| thiago_home | rsc85: ^^^ | 18:42 |
| lcuk_idea | rsc85: theres many folks around, whats your boggle? | 18:42 |
| rsc85 | hello thiago_home | 18:42 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: you mentioned family reading blogs in Dublin. That reminded me of something... | 18:42 |
| marnanel | lbt: for my part, I am getting the error "nothing provides nautilus-devel", which confuses me, because my copy of zypper can see it | 18:42 |
| rsc85 | im interesting in know more about develop and perhpas contribute in this project | 18:42 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2007/07/31/qtwebkit-on-windows/ <--- second to last comment | 18:42 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: this is what happens when parents read blogs :-) | 18:43 |
| frinring | lbt: thanks! | 18:43 |
| Robot101 | marnanel: are you on netbook? | 18:43 |
| w00t | rsc85: #meego-arm is a good place to hang out | 18:43 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: yes... I intended to use "pub" since that's where the community OBS lives | 18:43 |
| marnanel | yes | 18:43 |
| Robot101 | marnanel: it probably has nautilus, but core doesn't | 18:43 |
| lbt | it covers the same scope | 18:43 |
| rsc85 | thank you w00t | 18:43 |
| rsc85 | w00t are you the w00t on maemo.org? | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: lol. that's hilarious! | 18:43 |
| marnanel | Robot101: oh, okay. do you know if there's a way to persuade the OBS to look in the netbook repos, then? | 18:43 |
| mortenmj | lbt: it's what the repository is called in meego... | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: yes, that will be obvious to people who are familiar with the comm OBS but confusing for others | 18:44 |
| w00t | rsc85: yes | 18:44 |
| * Jay_BEE did not know about #meego-arm, heading there now thx w00t | 18:44 | |
| rsc85 | eheh so i know you :) anyways thank you for your help | 18:44 |
| mortenmj | lbt: in the obs it's listed as meego_1.1_extras | 18:44 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: everyone will be familiar eventually :) | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: yeah, my mom used to comment sometimes until she realized that everyone else can read it | 18:45 |
| lbt | mortenmj: paste a url | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: right now, we have a lot of developer confusion about where to post things | 18:45 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: I sent the link to my talk to my dad yesterday | 18:45 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: I don't want to make it worse | 18:45 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: agreed ... meego-dev is about the core | 18:45 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: he kept asking questions, as it's very hard to understand without the context | 18:45 |
| lbt | this is about app-dev and surrounds and anything not 'core' | 18:46 |
| lbt | where core is anything on Anas' OBS | 18:46 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: i only know how to add it with zypper, i'm not sure where to find it on the web | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: yes, but meego-sdk is already for app development | 18:46 |
| lbt | ! | 18:46 |
| lbt | seriously? | 18:46 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: yep | 18:47 |
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| lbt | <sigh> | 18:47 |
| lbt | daft name | 18:47 |
| lbt | sounds like where the sdk is developed | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | descriptions here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: well, created that one before I started naming things properly ;) | 18:47 |
| mortenmj | lbt: it's an entirely official repository... | 18:47 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: meego-dev, meego-sdk were created before I joined | 18:47 |
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| paulsen | hello | 18:48 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: mmm "can also ask general application development questions here." | 18:48 |
| notmart | other stuff on the tablet :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w | 18:48 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: most focus is on "toolchains, sysroots, emulators, IDEs, documentation" | 18:48 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: the description can use some more work, the focus of that mailing list is using the SDK and related tools to develop applications | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I think we should use that mailing list for stuff intended for the community obs | 18:49 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: OK ... I'll let others worry about it... as long as I can point at an ml | 18:50 |
| paulsen | short question what is a good dev hardware platform? controled with touchscreen | 18:50 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: let's start with meego-sdk and then if it doesn't work, we'll switch to something else | 18:50 |
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| DawnFoster | ok, enough IRC, I'm on vacation, I'm going to go read something printed on a dead tree :) | 18:51 |
| lbt | sure ... I just assumed there was nowhere to cover that topic - I guarantee no-one will find it by name :) | 18:51 |
| lbt | enjoy it :D | 18:51 |
| lcuk_idea | DawnFoster: have fun | 18:52 |
| DawnFoster | thanks! | 18:53 |
| lbt | mortenmj: what arch ? | 18:54 |
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| lbt | I only see it for i586 in the netbook area | 18:54 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: hang on. i'll boot into meego and look at my config | 18:56 |
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| mortenmj | lbt: on my netbook the address is http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/extra/repos/ia32/packages | 19:00 |
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| lbt | mortenmj: OK ... give me an urls for your project/package | 19:03 |
| mortenmj | lbt: my project is up on home:mortenmjelva:zeitgeist | 19:04 |
| mortenmj | in the obs | 19:04 |
| mortenmj | now, there doesn't seem to be a meego-extras repo for 1.1, and i can't find the packages i need from the 1.0 repo in 1.1's meego-core. any chance of having those packages put in meego-core? | 19:05 |
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| mortenmj | i hope to get zeitgeist in meego-core, so i suppose it would be necessary for that to be possible | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | show it building and working on all ux'es would be a start | 19:06 |
| mortenmj | lcuk: it's currently not building because i haven't figured out how to satisfy the build dependencies | 19:06 |
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| mortenmj | which is what i'm talking to lbt about... | 19:06 |
| lcuk | yip | 19:06 |
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| mortenmj | hm. gconf2-devel i actually had to get from opensuse. i suppose i might as well package that for meego, so we can push it into meego-core? | 19:09 |
| lbt | mortenmj: "nothing provides gconf2-devel, nothing provides python-rdflib, nothing provides libraptor-devel" | 19:09 |
| lbt | so... you're going to need them | 19:09 |
| mortenmj | i am | 19:09 |
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| lbt | yeah, gimme a sec | 19:10 |
| lbt | oh, wait... | 19:10 |
| lbt | you'll need to port and maintain them too | 19:11 |
| mortenmj | raptor-devel is in meego-extras in 1.0. python-rdflib is as far as i can tell nowhere, and gconf2-devel is in opensuse. | 19:11 |
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| mortenmj | is there a quick way to get rpms from opensuse into meego? | 19:11 |
| mortenmj | i mean, it installs just fine on my machine | 19:11 |
| thiago_home | does that raptor have anything to do with the Symbian buildsystem called Raptor? | 19:11 |
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| mortenmj | raptor, at least in this context, is an rdf parser toolkit | 19:12 |
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| thiago_home | ok | 19:12 |
| berndhs | lbt is extremely popular now, poor guy :) | 19:13 |
| mortenmj | lbt: the specfile online is outdated compared to the one i'm using locally. the package is called raptor-devel | 19:13 |
| lbt | mortenmj: I think berndhs can help you there... | 19:15 |
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| mortenmj | berndhs: do we have a system for importing packages from opensuse? | 19:17 |
| berndhs | mortenmj: I can answer that: I don't know | 19:17 |
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| mortenmj | berndhs: great! | 19:17 |
| berndhs | other than getting their spec file and foo.tar.gz, and making a meego rpm | 19:18 |
| lbt | yup | 19:18 |
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| mortenmj | easy enough. already on it in fact | 19:19 |
| berndhs | lbt: when you have time, can you add "earthling" to the pub obs, or should I get a new name ? | 19:22 |
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| lbt | is that your meego.com account name? | 19:23 |
| berndhs | lbt: yes | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | marnanel, GAN900 should also be consulted on the keyboard and would be a good person to be involved in the testing and feedback loop | 19:23 |
| lbt | done | 19:23 |
| lcuk | since he was the fastest typer on n800 ever | 19:23 |
| berndhs | with all my 4 posts or so :) | 19:24 |
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| berndhs | lbt: thank you | 19:24 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, hmm? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | wow the fastest roller coaster in the world is at ferrari world | 19:37 |
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| Stskeeps | so, a random thought: meego's targetting to be a platform and people's problem with it is that it's not really end-user friendly as it only contains reference apps. What if we created the MeeGo Community Product, which is the meego platform + things to make it nicer for end-users, actively pushing things into platform part that make sense, like a vendor would? | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | because platform needs productization (could be done by a community) to be suitable for end-users | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: A random answer to a random thought: your idea only makes sense if you know for SURE that you (and a group of interested people, give the list please) are capable ofproductizing it | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | this would solve many of the complaints about end-user friendliness and would maybe be a good direction for let's say netbook users or n900 | 21:08 |
| Robot101 | Debian and Fedora have the same problem - their user base is too wide or indistince | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: agreed | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: As much as I respect you, making a consumer-ready product may end up well above the free share of your capabilities :) | 21:09 |
| Robot101 | to properly rally the project behind productizing the software for one target audience | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: was a random thought :) i know what i'd be driving - and that'd be platform work | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Another point to consider: | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: You have got several Intel teams working specifically on Meego (Moblin before that) | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: These guys are *paid* to create a semi-productized Meego distro (actually, 3 distros) | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: And they are not there yet. | 21:11 |
| Robot101 | intel has far more people on platform & distro than products | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | point | 21:11 |
| Robot101 | nokia the other way round | 21:11 |
| Robot101 | as you'd expect, really | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, the platform is bigger than the reference ux'es | 21:11 |
| RST38h | As far as I understand, Nokia is not contributing to reference apps,no? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we have people from our team contributing to handset stuff | 21:12 |
| Robot101 | both product teams have been upended by platform changes over time, but it seems to be settling out a bit now | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and all of control panels are nokian | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, many, at least | 21:12 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 21:13 |
| RST38h | interesting | 21:13 |
| w00t | all of the (non-apps) bit of handset ux too like mcompositor, at least initially.. no idea if intel are doing work on that | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if there'd be value in seperating out reference apps outside 'platform' | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | and brewing those outside platform process | 21:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Basically, creating a semi-complete, semi-usable apps suite is 4-6 months of highly determined, well paid labor of a single person | 21:14 |
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| leinir | Stskeeps: Well... one thing i can mention there is that the kde mobile sub-team are working on something like that... dunno if you might be keen on joining that effort :) | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Estimate based on the availability of usable QtQuick (yes,components too) and reuse of some existing OSS stuff | 21:15 |
| leinir | you probably saw the videos posted earlier today... if not, gimme a second ;) | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: And the notion that the guy will be working 8-10 hours a day | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | i guess the opposite side of the coin is "why would anyone not just make a company and build a stack instead, selling it".. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You seriously do not know why? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | i know why | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:16 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: During the Handset UX Roadmap talk, the guy (whose name I'd have to look up), specifically said (in response to my question) that they'd take new apps into the reference apps if they were better than the current ones. | 21:16 |
| RST38h | Good, I guess we are on the same page then ;) | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: ah, that's good | 21:16 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, you know what that mean | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: and the usual disclaimer: that they were bsd/mit licensed, probably.. | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i think there's a tiny tidbit about that laying aroun | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | d | 21:17 |
| slaine | It was Sami Jaffa | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Why would you want BSD license if the rest of your OS is GPLed? | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | slaine: Thanks. | 21:17 |
| w00t | the reference UX apps (at least for handset) aren't GPL | 21:17 |
| w00t | they're APL | 21:17 |
| RST38h | You want to leave the ability to create custom derivatives? | 21:17 |
| slaine | And if that was you, I should have introduced myself, saw you about the place a few times | 21:17 |
| w00t | probably for precisely that reason | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | slaine: I meant to hunt you down ;-) | 21:18 |
| slaine | I think we even say beside each other at one point, d'oh | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Architecturally, if I were writing the apps suite, I would start by writing QML prototypes | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, now | 21:18 |
| Jaffa | slaine: gcobb and I were the ones doing most of the talking at the community infrastructure/repos/extras BoF with lbt | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: This has two advantages | 21:18 |
| frals | QML is awesome | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: First is speed. Second is great reusability | 21:19 |
| * Jaffa loved the QML demos (from achipa primarily ;-)) at the conference; and has been playing with Qt Creator 2.1 beta + Nokia Qt SDK this afternoon. Very shiny stuff | 21:19 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The current barrier to that is that QML by itself is kinda useless,and QtComponents for QML are not ready yet | 21:19 |
| Jay_BEE | is fMMS written in Qt? | 21:19 |
| slaine | Actually, n900 question, microSD only or microSDHC also ? | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: microsdhc is better, naturally | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | slaine: All MicroSD is, AFAIK, MicroSDHC | 21:19 |
| frals | Jay_BEE: python (pygtk/hildon) | 21:20 |
| slaine | cool, class 6 min too I guess | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: After doing the UIs (andprobably discussing them with people at tmo), I would see if any current Unix software could be used as backens for these UIs | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I.e. using ready-made email client libraries, etc | 21:20 |
| Jay_BEE | frals: ah ok, cool | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Like tinymail ;-) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: At that point, someone should be making artwork in parallel | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | Any good/interesting links cropped up this week? MWKN's surprisingly sparse. | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: could you hint on that there's a 'demo' image on tablets-dev that's surprisingly faster? | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, yes,you CAN get a usable apps suite in 4-6 months, just not for free. | 21:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I was promoting "the community OBS and stuff" as a potential reference build-on-meego ISV | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: true | 21:21 |
| leinir | Jaffa: videos of kontact touch and plasma-tablet running on meego, would that suffice? ;) | 21:21 |
| Jay_BEE | actually MicroSD and MicroSDHC are different, the latter supports higher storage capacities for one | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i guess it bends down to: why on earth wouldn't you just turn capitalist and sell a set of working apps instead | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:22 |
| lbt | Jaffa: community OBS, fremantle on OBS of course | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: ...and we both know the answer to that. | 21:22 |
| leinir | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWnfny61oI <-- kontact touch | 21:22 |
| RST38h | (notlike people have not tried before) | 21:22 |
| leinir | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w <-- plasma mobile, modified a touch for use on a tablet | 21:22 |
| lbt | I had dinner with some of the release guys on thursday | 21:23 |
| lbt | the whole Surrounds thing is of interest | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | leinir: Was just watching that. Very cool. | 21:23 |
| lbt | having opensuse as our upstream for contrib wasn't welcome :) | 21:24 |
| RST38h | leinir: nice =) | 21:24 |
| leinir | Jaffa: *nods* about three days worth of work... 'tis pretty sweet stuff | 21:24 |
| lbt | but it was supported and understood ! | 21:24 |
| leinir | :) | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Indeed, got community OBS. Was there an announcement, apart from the slide? | 21:24 |
| leinir | RST38h: Very, i'm really impressed with the speed of development here :) | 21:24 |
| lbt | it's clear we need to start to build an area around meego | 21:24 |
| lbt | we have Team: area and we will have Extras: and Surrounds: | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | surrounds is supposed to be meego staging? | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | leinir: Mind if I use those as quotes? ;-) | 21:25 |
| lbt | Jaffa: not hugely ... but we have ~ 50+ users now | 21:26 |
| leinir | Jaffa: Not at all :) i don't tend to say stuff in public that isn't quotable ;) | 21:26 |
| lbt | no | 21:26 |
| lbt | more 'contrib' | 21:26 |
| leinir | i do tend to get annoyed when quoted out of context, but as long as the context is available or at least clear, i'm good ;) | 21:26 |
| lbt | although obviously there's a route to core | 21:26 |
| lbt | I'd actually like to see meego span the core and community OBSes | 21:27 |
| thiago_home | if the context is clear, then you're not out of context | 21:27 |
| lbt | core is what device vendors would rely on | 21:27 |
| leinir | thiago_home: yeah, that's sort of my point :) | 21:27 |
| lbt | heh... exactly 50 users have asked for accounts | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Contacting you (say via IRC), still the preferred account enablement process? | 21:29 |
| lbt | currently, yes | 21:30 |
| lbt | I'm happy for the community via CO to define a preferred process | 21:32 |
| lbt | we don't yet have a policy for OBS either... I assume OSI-approved only | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | lbt: It's interesting, because it's a lot more technical than previous CO topics. I guess they'd want a concrete proposal. | 21:33 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: suggestion for core of proposal: content - OSI-approved, as you say; users - any meego.com account who writes a few sentences on how they're intending to use it (and then manually approved by a group of folk, like X-Fade and yourself) | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | lbt: QA then on top (TBD) for moving from Extras:Testing to Extras | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | lbt: ...and then all the stuff from the BoF for moving from Extras(:Testing?) to Surrounds | 21:35 |
| * lbt mutters about the community repo WG we proposed in feb... which would have made core sort so much of this out | 21:35 | |
| lbt | yes | 21:35 |
| lbt | X-Fade did some work on that in the wiki iirc | 21:35 |
| lbt | all good | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | lbt: The CRWG could well be the people tasked with a) approving people and b) maintaining & defining the various processes. | 21:36 |
| lbt | hmm.... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 | 21:36 |
| Jaffa | lbt: It might be more accepted now that it seems much closer and tangible. | 21:36 |
| lbt | any issues about mp3 codecs I wonder? | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbprobably yes | 21:38 |
| lbt | maybe the infrastructure group could expand out that way | 21:38 |
| julienf | evening | 21:38 |
| lbt | we're doing all the technical design for security and other stuff under the meego.com infra | 21:38 |
| * NooBmonk3y is back (gone 01:56:32) | 21:39 | |
| lbt | so validating that with ryan ware etc | 21:39 |
| lbt | who actually has a deputy joining us on our weekly meetings | 21:39 |
| Jaffa | 'lo julienf | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, speaking of app suites, some things can be down with a web server and php :) | 21:42 |
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| julienf | Jaffa: good post about the conf :) | 21:46 |
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| Jaffa | julienf: Thanks :-) | 21:47 |
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| CosmoHill | salut ali1234 | 21:53 |
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| sivang | re people | 22:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | amusing feature | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ovi suite doesn't correctly configure cellular service for my n900s w/ Elisa | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia's main provider here in finland :) | 22:08 |
| vgrade | lbt, can I trouble you to throw the switch allowing user 'vgrade' access to community OBS, TIA | 22:09 |
| lbt | youalready there | 22:09 |
| lbt | heh | 22:09 |
| lbt | bad <return> key | 22:09 |
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| vgrade | lbt, thanks | 22:12 |
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| mortenmj | is there a webinterface for searching through meego packages? | 22:14 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: well, it did seem to configure it fine, it just made a random different guess apparently... | 22:22 |
| sp3000 | re slides, "dedicated hobbyist" seems detailed enough to try to be normative | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | (the parenthetical part) | 22:23 |
| slaine | mortenmj: http://repo.meego.com | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | so it probably needs ellipsis or e.g. | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | otherwise it's like you have to be unemployed to be dedicated | 22:24 |
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| mortenmj | slaine: well, yes, but there's no search? | 22:24 |
| * timeless_mbp fishes for sp3000 's gmail | 22:24 | |
| slaine | ? | 22:24 |
| sp3000 | the sorting is slightly odd in that it introduces downstream consumer before consumer | 22:24 |
| slaine | doesn't your browser have in page searching ? | 22:25 |
| slaine | mortenmj: what exactly are you trying to do I guess | 22:25 |
| mortenmj | slaine: search for packages, the way you can in e.g. ubuntu or opensuse | 22:25 |
| mortenmj | slaine: navigating the hierarchy and using in-page search isn't quite the same | 22:26 |
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| sp3000 | so then you're left wondering why a downstream consumer is more interesting (as the order suggests contrib magnitude to some extent) | 22:26 |
| Bostik | zypper search FOO ? | 22:26 |
| mortenmj | Bostik: only works within meego | 22:26 |
| Bostik | ah, true enough | 22:26 |
| slaine | Oh, ok, I get you. No, there's nothing like that | 22:26 |
| slaine | Submit a request | 22:27 |
| mortenmj | ok. maybe i should submit a request for something like that. if it exists for opensuse, and it does, it might not be too hard to implement | 22:27 |
| Bostik | packages.meego.com wouldn't be a bad service, though... | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | slide 5 should be some sort of graphic although the number of dimensions makes that interesting | 22:27 |
| mortenmj | Bostik: exactly | 22:27 |
| slaine | Oh, news flash on RTE about how f*@k'd ireland is | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | perhaps venn can handle it | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | slaine: the sharing tab didn't have the knowledge i needed | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i used gmail to find what i needed | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | the table format is a bit hard for me to get traction on | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | was that slide 4? | 22:28 |
| mortenmj | slaine: did they get boned by wall street as well? | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | the previous coment was | 22:29 |
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| sp3000 | reward and management are mutually implied so it's three dimensions topographically sorta | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | although I'm not sure if the consumer type should self-manage | 22:31 |
| slaine | mortenmj: nothing different to any other country, but we're very small so we've lived way beyond our means for way too long | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | that slide grew since the last time i changed it | 22:31 |
| sp3000 | none is a bit weird :) | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: can you log into gdocs so it knows which page you're on? :) | 22:32 |
| sp3000 | "paid to get things right"? | 22:32 |
| sp3000 | that's not how it usually works :) | 22:33 |
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| sp3000 | 8 doesn't fit | 22:38 |
| sp3000 | but I guess it isn't quite time for that | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, now gdocs knows you and thinks you're looking at slide 1 :) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, and now gdocs is being stupid? | 22:42 |
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| julienf | timeless_mbp: managed to get back in shape? ;) | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:43 |
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| julienf | last memory I have of you is sleeping on a chair in the hacker's lounge ;) | 22:43 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: well, minefield sprung an update | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | julienf: ah | 22:44 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: can you enable comments for me? I just wish to add some sidenotes, not edit the slides themselves. Some things are not clear to me as non native, also examples for projects that use a qa team and a ticket tracker are ubuntu and plone, as most proximate examples. | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | done | 22:45 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: thanks | 22:45 |
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| sp3000 | is BZR spelled like that? | 22:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | probably not | 22:49 |
| sivang | sp3000: http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/ | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | although the channel is #bzr | 22:49 |
| croland | For Bazaar? | 22:49 |
| croland | Yeah | 22:49 |
| sivang | sp3000: so "bazaar' | 22:49 |
| sivang | note inconsistent use of quotes | 22:49 |
| sivang | ;) | 22:49 |
| sp3000 | ;) | 22:49 |
| sivang | sp3000: it is amazing how bad can a bad keyboard and touchpad combo do | 22:49 |
| sivang | s/bad/harm/ | 22:50 |
| infobot | sivang meant: sp3000: it is amazing how harm can a bad keyboard and touchpad combo do | 22:50 |
| sivang | err | 22:50 |
| * sivang gives up | 22:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: fwiw if you do a second s/// right after the first one | 22:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the bot will apply it to the original string | 22:50 |
| sp3000 | and then get merge conflicts? :) | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, second change wins :) | 22:52 |
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| sp3000 | some projects try to enforce bisectability, so if review comments fix something in a patch that qualifies as a regression then the bad commit should live on a branch (and if the committer is clever enough, try to choose the right 1st-parent for the merge too) | 22:54 |
| sp3000 | but that's a bit of a digression ;) | 22:54 |
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| sp3000 | s,bad,intermediate, | 22:54 |
| rhkfin | Anyone here know something about the openness of the top/UI-layer of Meego..? I see plenty of videos of Meego+KDE (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdLCGCTu8w ) - just curious if that'll be the most popular open option... | 22:55 |
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| * sp3000 hits alphabetical dissonance at bug A comment B attachment C | 22:59 | |
| WIIman | nice i got xchat installed and working | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | WIIman, which instructions did you follow? | 23:01 |
| WIIman | one sec ill get the link | 23:01 |
| lcuk | ta | 23:01 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: heh | 23:02 |
| WIIman | http://blog.beford.org/2010/10/24/xchat-2-8-on-meego/ | 23:02 |
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| lcuk_idea | sivang: you are right, an idea that started to emerge at the conf and followed up on a bit is: http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard | 23:04 |
| lcuk_idea | WIIman: thanks! | 23:05 |
| WIIman | i addaed the lin to my twitter page too | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: irc logs are problematic | 23:05 |
| WIIman | im papatwilight on twitter | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't want to take misspelled words | 23:05 |
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| lcuk_idea | timeless_mbp: sure, then make a note about that | 23:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 23:06 |
| WIIman | lcuk_idea, np | 23:06 |
| lcuk_idea | the weighted usage of words is important too | 23:06 |
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| lcuk_idea | and since we talk about lots of things often ;) | 23:06 |
| jonnor | rhkfin: what are you interesting in knowing about, specifically? | 23:07 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to remember how the heck to use openid | 23:07 | |
| lcuk_idea | timeless_mbp: i have a whole history of every word I have ever typed on IRC. as training text for my personalised keyboard, I think thats important | 23:07 |
| WIIman | i just had to have xchat i hated haveing pidgin and empothy just for irc | 23:07 |
| lcuk_idea | any other training text would not be "me" ? | 23:08 |
| rhkfin | jonnor: not quite sure.. Hmm.. Well first, when Meego phones will be out in the stores, will they have closed UX layer? | 23:08 |
| lcuk_idea | it would be second guessing what I think rather than looking at everything I have typed before | 23:08 |
| WIIman | two multiprotacal client is overkill xchat fills the missing irc client bill niceliy | 23:08 |
| lcuk_idea | for general training texts, sure | 23:08 |
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| jonnor | rhkfin: that is entirely up to the people shipping the phones. And since no phones have been announced, we do not know. | 23:09 |
| rhkfin | ok.. | 23:09 |
| Jay_BEE | [13:00]<WIIman>nice i got xchat installed and working <--- congrats! | 23:10 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 23:10 | |
| * timeless_mbp beats the stuffing out of openid | 23:10 | |
| jonnor | rhkfin: for details on what needs to be open/existing and what not on a "Meego" device, check the compilance specifications | 23:11 |
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| rhkfin | jonnor: ok, thanks.. | 23:12 |
| lcuk_idea | wtf! somehow I have managed to open a youtube link from within webchat here on the ideapad. but theres no window or tab for it so i cant stop it. | 23:12 |
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| WIIman | im glad you did get xxchat working :) | 23:14 |
| WIIman | xchat even | 23:15 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: hrm | 23:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it might be possible to draw a couple of venn diagrams | 23:15 |
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| TrackerDPP | hello all ! | 23:18 |
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| Mat_Matan | where i can download package with meego sdk? | 23:20 |
| jonnor | Mat_Matan: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-sdk | 23:21 |
| Mat_Matan | jonnor: BIG THX :] | 23:22 |
| jonnor | Mat_Matan: it is linked from meego.com frontpage :) | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | stuff in the frontpage isn't easy to find | 23:23 |
| thiago_home | spent 5 minutes searching the sign up link for the conference... | 23:23 |
| mortenmj | Mat_Matan: depending on what distro you're on there might be a repository as well | 23:26 |
| mortenmj | debian/ubuntu has one | 23:26 |
| mortenmj | opensuse and fedora as well | 23:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so... | 23:40 |
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| rhkfin | I have latest 1.1.80.7... installed on N900 - any chances to SSH in over WLAN? Would be easier than usb.. | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | netbook or handset? :) | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (or IVI?) | 23:49 |
| rhkfin | handset | 23:49 |
| rhkfin | Can't find xterm in the menu any more :/ In 1.1 it was still there | 23:50 |
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