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| sivang | lcuk: interesting idea, why not just use a dictionary and speed search through it while typing, only instead of showing remaining possible words, dim the letters that no longer take part | 00:02 |
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| sivang | lcuk: I think there's something like this for samsung devices | 00:02 |
| sivang | lcuk: At least I had it in a very old amsung phone, also I think some symbians have it | 00:03 |
| sivang | lcuk: ofcourse make sure you can press them but require more time on "press" for them to work to allow easy fast typing | 00:03 |
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| sivang | lcuk: completely disabling other letters is annoying when the guess failed | 00:06 |
| sivang | lcuk: speaking out of experience with similar magic on other platforms. | 00:07 |
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| oshin | sony seems to be developing their own gnu/linux based tablet OS too. | 00:22 |
| CosmoHill | does it have rootkits? | 00:23 |
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| oshin | no idea, but they use gnustep toolkit | 00:23 |
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| berndhs | oshin: they should give up and be assimilated | 00:24 |
| oshin | snap.sonydeveloper.com | 00:24 |
| oshin | very early state, but they are doing it. | 00:24 |
| CosmoHill | wow, gnustep, cool | 00:24 |
| oshin | interesting choice | 00:25 |
| slaine | gnustep, is that still going | 00:25 |
| oshin | which looks almost like a suicide to me. | 00:25 |
| oshin | yes. | 00:25 |
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| oshin | still going. | 00:25 |
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| oshin | apple won't be happy. | 00:26 |
| oshin | or they did, enemy committing suicide. | 00:26 |
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| slaine | I'd say Sony are hoping to leverage the wealth of iOS developers out there | 00:27 |
| slaine | clever move actually | 00:27 |
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| slaine | hopefully they've actually hired some of the GNUStep folks | 00:27 |
| oshin | hopefully. | 00:27 |
| oshin | they have multi-touch code in their branch. | 00:28 |
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| oshin | probably done by some gs dev | 00:28 |
| andybleaden | oshin, i still cant do a touchpad 100% let alone multi touch ..does that mean fingers and thumbs ;) | 00:29 |
| oshin | :) | 00:29 |
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| andybleaden | ok who here still has moblin themed meego ie with all the old look and feel of moblin or have you all still fallen for meego? | 00:32 |
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| berndhs | andybleaden: nobody has fallen, everyone here has risen above such lowly concerns :) | 00:37 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, does that mean you still have moblin settings then :P | 00:38 |
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| berndhs | me? I ssh into my meego machine from my fedora xfce | 00:38 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, I still cannot warm to meego UI .linked as it is to moblin | 00:38 |
| andybleaden | berndhs,sounds complicated.does that mean you are not really in meego then.just there virtually? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | sivang, nobody suggested completely disabling, merely making the most used easier to click | 00:39 |
| lcuk | and please add your comments remarks and things to the page | 00:39 |
| lcuk | its there for all of us to work out | 00:39 |
| berndhs | andybleaden: actually both, it is sometimes just more convenient to use ssh | 00:40 |
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| andybleaden | berndhs, never got round to doing that yet.closest I got was a live usb and maybe that is the best I can do | 00:41 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, i always wanted to get ssh to work but could not sort it from work - proxy 'issues' | 00:42 |
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| berndhs | andybleaden: I ssh into a machine that sits a few inches away | 00:42 |
| berndhs | berndhs: sometimes over my ipv6 tunnel across 1/2 the continent :) | 00:43 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, did you try moblin before that then?.why do you ssh then..if so close.or is it because you just 'can' | 00:43 |
| berndhs | andybleaden: sometimes its more convenient to do things from a bigger display, when I do stuff on meego and fedora at the same time | 00:44 |
| prometoys | hi, where I can find more repositories for meego? extras seems not be available anymore | 00:44 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, so for numpties like me that means you have a desktop with fedora on it and you log in to a meego set up on a netbook? | 00:44 |
| berndhs | andybleaden: right | 00:44 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, ah I see | 00:44 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, nifty | 00:44 |
| andybleaden | berndhs, maybe I should try that and stop effing with my netbook...that has had a weekly change in OS for the past year | 00:45 |
| berndhs | andybleaden: depends on what you want to do with it | 00:46 |
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| andybleaden | berndhs, could do with being able to ssh in and out of my desktop ..it will wait | 00:48 |
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| julienf | just published a quick post about the MeeGo install on the Lenovo Ideapad: http://wp.me/pPWnp-bM | 00:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | julienf: i want instructions for doing dualboot :) | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 01:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i wonder if i could use backup if my usb stick was formatted exfat or ntfs :) | 01:08 |
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| julienf | timeless_mbp: so you're more of a chicken than a pig? ;) | 01:10 |
| julienf | I decided to go full MeeGo and build it up to a usable machine, but not sure if that's gonna work out.. | 01:11 |
| julienf | could try to put OSX on it ;) | 01:11 |
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| WIIman | dear god why do that OSX is nearly as virus prone as windows | 01:23 |
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| oshin | coz windows get better? or you mean trojan? | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | I'm immune, everyone loves powerPC | 01:27 |
| oshin | won't survice script | 01:28 |
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| CosmoHill | survive* | 01:28 |
| oshin | been trying to boot my emac with a thumbdrive | 01:28 |
| oshin | dvd drive was broken | 01:28 |
| oshin | ah thanks | 01:29 |
| WIIman | most virus hit mac os as well as windowa as they desided to hit bit widows and mac os | 01:29 |
| oshin | like breaking an existing exploit? | 01:30 |
| abstract3d | for programming apps for MeeGO, i will have to use C++ & QT for GUI right? | 01:30 |
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| jonnor | abstract3d: Qt is the official toolkit for Meego, yes. | 01:31 |
| oshin | gtk+ will work right? | 01:31 |
| oshin | and i am porting gnustep | 01:31 |
| abstract3d | is there any recomendation for IDE? | 01:31 |
| jonnor | Several other toolkits are currently part of the core as well, including gtk+ and clutter. | 01:31 |
| jonnor | abstract3d: QtCreator is the official IDE. | 01:31 |
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| WIIman | QT is a good tool kit if gtk and be not added but gtk apps be remade by qt format that would be cool | 01:33 |
| jonnor | Sorry, clutter is _not_ part of the core. | 01:33 |
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| WIIman | i usualy prefer a pure qt based os or pure gtk based os as i like things clean and pure based on on format | 01:34 |
| oshin | and less memory usage. | 01:34 |
| oshin | but it isn't that much | 01:35 |
| WIIman | meego is taking the right steps in the qt directinon | 01:35 |
| WIIman | just need a biger repo | 01:35 |
| WIIman | more apps and games for entertainment pupeses | 01:36 |
| thp | WIIman: i prefer apps that work. if k3b is the best burning app and gimp is the best image editing app, why not use them? | 01:36 |
| jonnor | Good applications are good applications. Toolkit used is of secondary concern. | 01:36 |
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| WIIman | i agree that some apps have there place in the os so if balnsed and clean suport for both qt and gtk that is fine just a cut down on dependancies | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | thp: i prefer usable apps :) | 01:37 |
| * oshin prefers 70% usability but free software. | 01:39 | |
| WIIman | may be adding a repo or so from say opensuse or fedora | 01:39 |
| WIIman | is there is compatability | 01:40 |
| thp | timeless_mbp: well working is a prerequisite. after that, having usable apps is even better :p | 01:41 |
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| WIIman | considering meego well suports the graphics cards in netbooks and other devices adding some decent games to the repos would be good | 01:42 |
| zr0 | is meego going to have the connectivity integration on the level of maemo 5? | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | zr0, I think with enough people working hard meego will raise the bar a few notches. | 01:44 |
| zr0 | to me, that's the biggest innovation maemo brought to the smartphone market | 01:45 |
| jonnor | WIIman: please note that the core repositories are intentionally very slim. Community repos and applications stores will provide such things you are looking for, eventually. | 01:45 |
| WIIman | maybe meego could advertise on distrowatch shashdot and the register as a way to get there message out | 01:45 |
| zr0 | the skype, sip, gtalk integration is fantastic | 01:45 |
| jonnor | I cannot phantom anyone wanting to regress in this area. On the contrary ;) | 01:46 |
| WIIman | i doubt im alone wanting some fun games and other apps available most of us that use out devices like to play once and a wile and sometimes more often :) | 01:48 |
| lcuk | zr0, indeed :) | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | you spent 8 hours out of bed today lcuk | 01:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, and it was hard work being so lazy :P | 01:52 |
| WIIman | lol | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | I've been productive and perplexed by prime numbers | 01:53 |
| * WIIman is disabled its always hard finding things to do with the time awake lol | 01:53 | |
| lcuk | bbiam | 01:53 |
| CosmoHill | why did I read that as "liam" | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm off to sleep now, cyas | 01:58 |
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| lcuk_idea | ctrl + r does not work | 02:07 |
| lcuk_idea | or is it super+r | 02:08 |
| WIIman | niether here | 02:08 |
| WIIman | check keyboard setting in settings go to keyboard shortcuts | 02:11 |
| WIIman | see if its enabled | 02:11 |
| lcuk_idea | WIIman: its more widespread I think | 02:11 |
| lcuk_idea | just a thought about the handling of that super button | 02:11 |
| lcuk_idea | as it happens now, once you have pressed it, you then have to move to the screen to use the mouse | 02:12 |
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| WIIman | you can add the shortcut there and assine it it may do the trick | 02:13 |
| lcuk_idea | [super] + type "term" for instance should do some filtering and offer me terminal, or typing "gary" should have me left with contact. etc .. | 02:13 |
| lcuk_idea | the disconnect and inability to use the keyboard once that menu up is glaring | 02:14 |
| WIIman | what menu ? | 02:15 |
| lcuk_idea | the main meego handset drop down | 02:15 |
| lcuk_idea | the one that pops down from the top when you mouse to the roof or press the [super] key | 02:15 |
| WIIman | i use touch pad or superkey to get the menu bar and pull down the menu i need | 02:16 |
| WIIman | no kb shortcuts | 02:16 |
| lcuk_idea | WIIman: once you press the [super] key, you cannot use the keyboard then until you are done | 02:16 |
| lcuk_idea | even something as simple as using numbers to open the associated menu ;) | 02:16 |
| jonnor | lcuk_idea: please check that these bugs are filed, or file if not | 02:17 |
| lcuk_idea | and drastic simple things like pressing escape again once you know what time it is ;) | 02:17 |
| lcuk_idea | jonnor: i am defining the structure for the bug | 02:17 |
| lcuk_idea | and how to describe it | 02:17 |
| jonnor | lcuk_idea: good, good | 02:18 |
| lcuk_idea | [super] + "m" (media) change music and back to original task without ever actually needing to reach as far as the top of the screen. all in one motion with your arm | 02:20 |
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| WIIman | hmm i quess so lol never tryed to use key wile menu bar was down | 02:26 |
| WIIman | superkey works to close it so i never though the other keys wouldnt | 02:26 |
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| * WIIman rarely uses keys to navigte menus touchpad with meego netbook interfase give near touchscreen power to navigation | 02:29 | |
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| lcuk_idea | WIIman: do you have a wii? | 02:30 |
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| mortenmj_ | hm. every time i try to resolve a dependency *that* package depends on five others, that aren't in meego | 02:30 |
| WIIman | yes i do | 02:30 |
| mortenmj_ | any particular reason why we don't have gconf2 in our repositories? | 02:30 |
| lcuk_idea | remember the first day you got it and you would jump around playing wii sports? | 02:30 |
| lcuk_idea | then a few weeks later, you would lie on the couch and just twitch the mote to get the same effect.. | 02:31 |
| WIIman | still play the wii sports bowlling and boxing lol | 02:31 |
| ali1234 | weeks? try 5 minutes | 02:31 |
| lcuk_idea | hahah | 02:31 |
| WIIman | better wii comming out next year | 02:32 |
| WIIman | hd | 02:32 |
| lcuk_idea | well, sat with keyboard on my knee and the screen a defined distance away (in laptop mode..) its easy to hit a key sequence if you are actually typing at the time | 02:32 |
| WIIman | more like xbox 360 but with better controls | 02:32 |
| lcuk_idea | the wii defines a genre already | 02:33 |
| * lcuk_idea likes the wii | 02:33 | |
| ali1234 | seriously though the netbook ux needs to be more touchscreen friendly | 02:33 |
| WIIman | i love the wii selling curent one to save for new upgraded one | 02:33 |
| lcuk_idea | it needs several changes | 02:34 |
| WIIman | it will be 299 dollers | 02:34 |
| lcuk_idea | but i am wanting to see how well the handset ux will sit on it | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | i tried it the other day | 02:34 |
| ali1234 | it's much worse | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't even fill the screen... it's locked to 800x480 | 02:35 |
| lcuk_idea | bug filed ? that shouldnt happen, i know it has config options for other dimensions | 02:36 |
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| * lcuk_idea must sleep anyway my bloaty feeling is getting worse | 02:36 | |
| lcuk_idea | gnite chaps \o | 02:36 |
| WIIman | night | 02:38 |
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| lcuk_idea | btw WIIman i probably wouldn't have noticed the key thing if the meego menu bar was at the bottom of the touchscreen ;) | 02:49 |
| WIIman | yeh i dont have a touch screen so no way to test that | 02:49 |
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| WIIman | at some time i may get a touch screen but atm im very happy with my net book | 02:50 |
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| WIIman | less i can get a freebe or loaner to test it i dont see spending money on a tablet atm | 02:51 |
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| WIIman | i would love to atend a conferance but i cant drive and tansportation is limeted for me do to income constrantes | 02:55 |
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| mortenmj_ | WIIman: apply for sponsorship | 03:14 |
| WIIman | how do aply for sponcership | 03:15 |
| WIIman | meego is agreat progect i want to get involved | 03:16 |
| WIIman | that why i set up my twitter acount | 03:16 |
| mortenmj_ | WIIman: next conference is in may. no need to think about it until much closer to that time | 03:18 |
| WIIman | yeh still a wile off yet | 03:27 |
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| floridapeng | seems no one's here | 03:38 |
| floridapeng | #meego-handse | 03:39 |
| * javispedro is trying to get the ideapad accelerometer to work | 03:41 | |
| floridapeng | hi,anyone is there? | 03:42 |
| javispedro | noone. | 03:43 |
| javispedro | ;P | 03:43 |
| floridapeng | no body? | 03:43 |
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| floridapeng | who am I ? /n Im no body. | 03:44 |
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| WIIman | im here was just on the phone with my children | 03:48 |
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| floridapeng | aha, WIIman. i've got a question with meego platform. Could you help me with it? | 03:51 |
| WIIman | i can try | 03:51 |
| WIIman | whats question | 03:52 |
| * WIIman waits patiantly | 03:53 | |
| floridapeng | last week i tried to set up the meego sdk1.1 env, but it doesn't work. | 03:53 |
| WIIman | im not runing sdk atm , how is it not working ? errors ? | 03:54 |
| floridapeng | it seems that the sdk 1.1 doesn't include some libs. | 03:54 |
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| WIIman | have you tryed pulling thoses libs from pkg manager ? | 03:55 |
| floridapeng | when i build some apps with the sdk, it always present some errors like undefined refrence to ** | 03:55 |
| WIIman | im i little suprizesd that its missing libs as its a devl platform | 03:56 |
| floridapeng | yeah i have tried | 03:56 |
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| berndhs | floridapeng: undefined reference doesn't necessarily mean missing libgs | 03:57 |
| WIIman | i wish i knew im not usedd to devl ing for qt i just build apps from source when i need them src rpm mostly | 03:57 |
| WIIman | following a guide lol | 03:58 |
| berndhs | undefined reference just means that the linker hasn't found some symbols | 03:58 |
| WIIman | are you building as user or root ? | 03:58 |
| floridapeng | i've tried to include the libs myself. But the packages cannot be compiled. | 03:59 |
| WIIman | you should build as user and install as root | 03:59 |
| floridapeng | you mean install the sdk as root ? | 03:59 |
| WIIman | any time you compile you build the app as user so it has the right permitions but install as root wont let you install app as user because the system | 04:00 |
| floridapeng | i think there's no diffrence with the user athuentation. | 04:00 |
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| WIIman | ie ./configure and make are done as user and make install are done as root | 04:01 |
| WIIman | sudo in meegos case | 04:02 |
| floridapeng | make cannot work well. | 04:02 |
| WIIman | im not sure about sdk but thats the way you build any ather app | 04:02 |
| berndhs | floridapeng: what's wrong with "make" ? | 04:02 |
| WIIman | the commands are abit diferant for src rpms though | 04:03 |
| WIIman | make has been used for eons | 04:03 |
| berndhs | if make is broken, you're pretty much dead | 04:03 |
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| floridapeng | i download the package qt mobility to include some libs by myself. | 04:03 |
| floridapeng | but when I make the the package source , i pops out errors | 04:04 |
| WIIman | the libs have to be the right version to sys correctly with what you building | 04:05 |
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| floridapeng | they are all the new version. | 04:05 |
| berndhs | floridapeng: dont' look at dozens of errors, only look at the first 1 or 2 | 04:05 |
| berndhs | floridapeng: after the first 1 or 2 error messages, the rest gets confused | 04:06 |
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| floridapeng | berndhs: yeah, i just did like this. | 04:07 |
| berndhs | floridapeng: can you paste the first 1 or 2 of thsoe "undefine reference" errors in pastebin.org ? | 04:07 |
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| WIIman | remember every app has dependancies those HAVE to be installed before thee app itself is instaled | 04:08 |
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| WIIman | ie the build wont work | 04:08 |
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| berndhs | the reference problems are not always external references | 04:09 |
| WIIman | i can tcode but i have build enough apps to how the prosess gos | 04:09 |
| floridapeng | berndhs: libQtServiceFramework.so: undefined reference to `QLocalSocket::isValid() const' | 04:09 |
| berndhs | look at the something.pro file for that project | 04:10 |
| WIIman | xchat for example built fine for but i got all the deps first | 04:11 |
| berndhs | is should mention QT += ... network ... somewhere | 04:11 |
| mrdavid | dsaf | 04:11 |
| berndhs | or, see in the SDK if you have QtNetwork installed, it should normally be there | 04:11 |
| mrdavid | Tobren | 04:11 |
| WIIman | yeh i dont know the sdk version i mentioned earlier just what i know about building an app hope the other can help sorry i cant | 04:12 |
| floridapeng | it's just a source package from the meego.com. | 04:12 |
| floridapeng | when i try ./configure and make , the error is like this. | 04:13 |
| berndhs | QLocalSocket is from QtNetwork | 04:13 |
| berndhs | apparently you do have QtNetwork, otherwise if would fail earlier in the compile | 04:14 |
| floridapeng | you mean the source pkg doesn't include the lib? | 04:14 |
| berndhs | no, why would it ? | 04:14 |
| berndhs | the source package for A doesn't include lib B | 04:15 |
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| floridapeng | so i should include QT += ... network ... at the .pro? | 04:16 |
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| berndhs | see what it looks like first | 04:16 |
| berndhs | it should be in there already | 04:17 |
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| berndhs | my network will go down in the next 2 or 3 hours, unannounced | 04:19 |
| berndhs | its sunday night, the ISP's hamster gets tired and they lose power | 04:19 |
| WIIman | each source should come with a readme and a install file most of what you need to know about installing from the source should be there regardless of platform | 04:20 |
| berndhs | yes good advice, if there is a file README, go read it | 04:21 |
| WIIman | should be in the unpacked tar folder | 04:22 |
| WIIman | if not in the root of that folder then in src | 04:22 |
| WIIman | based on past experiance any way | 04:22 |
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| mortenmj_ | all my stuff builds. awesome! | 04:41 |
| berndhs | cool | 04:42 |
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| mortenmj_ | berndhs: were you at the conference? | 04:42 |
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| berndhs | no, i was admiring the video feed of the movie stars | 04:42 |
| mortenmj_ | just wondering. met a bernd there | 04:42 |
| berndhs | its a common name | 04:43 |
| mortenmj_ | it is | 04:43 |
| berndhs | so i have plausible deniability | 04:43 |
| mortenmj_ | berndhs: do you know who i'd talk to to get my packages into meego-core? | 04:43 |
| berndhs | not really | 04:43 |
| berndhs | in the abstract, you can use bugzilla | 04:44 |
| berndhs | complain that its not there, and tell them that you have it | 04:44 |
| berndhs | and why they need it | 04:44 |
| test34 | Which carrier can you use with the N900 in the USA? | 04:45 |
| test34 | I think t-mobile | 04:45 |
| mortenmj_ | berndhs: i represent the team behind these packages, so that sounds strangely self-serving | 04:46 |
| mortenmj_ | well, i represent the team behind two of them, and the other two we have as dependencies | 04:46 |
| berndhs | well, it they really need your SlicedBread package, you have to tell them | 04:46 |
| mortenmj_ | oh they need it. it's just that cool | 04:47 |
| berndhs | how would they know ? | 04:47 |
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| berndhs | you could fake it, have your wife's second cousin complain that its missing, but that's not real nice | 04:48 |
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| csw_ocube | lbt | 04:59 |
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| csw_ocube | is there anybody who have experience porting meego on arm11(arm v6,s3c6410) | 05:01 |
| WIIman | nice meegoturned off my netbook screen and ported it to my monitor | 05:06 |
| WIIman | its nice and big for mee to see lol | 05:07 |
| berndhs | yeah nice big buttons | 05:08 |
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| WIIman | yep :) | 05:11 |
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| WIIman | neet the menu changed to dropdown lists lol | 05:12 |
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| WIIman | for apps | 05:13 |
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| WIIman | even changes the way it handles zones | 05:14 |
| WIIman | this realy is cool | 05:17 |
| WIIman | i have yet to use a UI this fun | 05:17 |
| berndhs | i dont like that you can't minimize windows | 05:18 |
| berndhs | and if you do manage to minimize them, I don't know how you get them back from the UI | 05:19 |
| WIIman | i just use alt tab and zones to move between apps | 05:19 |
| WIIman | very fluid | 05:20 |
| berndhs | i like my apps to show the parts that are relevant only, and hide the rest | 05:20 |
| WIIman | mouse to top of screen zone tap app and im there | 05:20 |
| berndhs | i'm sure the equivalent works fine, I just haven't found it :) | 05:21 |
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| WIIman | with the ui i feel like i own my screen | 05:22 |
| WIIman | im realy good at making it work | 05:23 |
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| WIIman | it natral to me | 05:23 |
| berndhs | its just different, I don't know the philosophy behind it | 05:24 |
| berndhs | what belongs in which zone and why | 05:24 |
| WIIman | i move things between zones allthe time | 05:24 |
| berndhs | but the main challenge is how to organize the gui | 05:24 |
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| berndhs | what function belongs on which part | 05:24 |
| WIIman | drang and drop to organize only takes seconds | 05:24 |
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| berndhs | i prefer command line for some things :) | 05:25 |
| WIIman | cli is awesome too | 05:25 |
| berndhs | if I know exactly what I want, why waste time dragging stuff around | 05:25 |
| WIIman | when not in external screen i go to apps start typing a word it gets the thing i want and i run it its fast and powerfull if used right | 05:26 |
| berndhs | with the phones it seems weird that all the new UXs need 2 hands to operate a device that fits into 1 | 05:27 |
| WIIman | i dont know any thhing about toucch screens just the netbook ui | 05:27 |
| berndhs | i challange anyone to do a 2-finger gesture while holding the phone in the same hand | 05:28 |
| WIIman | i havent got on the touchscreen band waggon yet | 05:28 |
| * WIIman likes his kb to much | 05:28 | |
| berndhs | the touch stuff has potential, but i think it would need some really good ideas on using gestures to get back the precision lost with fat greasy fingers | 05:29 |
| WIIman | touchpad isnt bad once you get it down | 05:29 |
| WIIman | better thaan a mouse at times | 05:29 |
| berndhs | touchpad is awful for precise stuff | 05:29 |
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| test34 | any touch screens have some kind of dimple for touch typing? | 05:30 |
| berndhs | ah, brilliant idea | 05:30 |
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| berndhs | warp the touch screen for a more tactile on-screen keyboard | 05:30 |
| test34 | hehe | 05:31 |
| berndhs | dynamic braille even | 05:31 |
| test34 | that might distort the image? | 05:32 |
| berndhs | if your fingers are on top of the image it doesn't matter that its distorted | 05:32 |
| WIIman | nice the search feature is still in apps lol even with the dropdown menus realy nic quick acces to apps | 05:32 |
| test34 | berndhs, that makes sense | 05:33 |
| WIIman | even external screen use is great | 05:33 |
| berndhs | i'm writing a piece of toy code | 05:34 |
| WIIman | and top screen menu is always showing with no interfering with typing | 05:34 |
| berndhs | and getting confused because the copyright/license header is not in the file | 05:34 |
| WIIman | i never seen a ui change with what moniter it was hooked up to | 05:35 |
| berndhs | yeah how does it know ? | 05:35 |
| berndhs | in Qt normally the application doesn't know that | 05:35 |
| WIIman | not sure lol i just pluged it in | 05:36 |
| berndhs | I should file a bug, some app knows and mine can't know, its not fair | 05:36 |
| WIIman | an intelligent ui thats novle | 05:36 |
| WIIman | some things are like on the netbook screen but other arnt | 05:37 |
| WIIman | realy needt | 05:37 |
| WIIman | i know this ui was used in moblin but was it this smart in moblin ? | 05:38 |
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| marnanel | What's wrong with the world, succinctly described by MeeGo: http://i.imgur.com/ixq5u.png | 05:52 |
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| berndhs | marnanel: yeah, Bertholt Brecht said the same thing | 05:57 |
| berndhs | when the government said it lost confidence in the people | 05:58 |
| berndhs | Brecht said to dissolve the people and elect a new one | 05:58 |
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| WIIman | you mean the peapole lost confidence in the government | 05:58 |
| berndhs | no, other way around | 05:58 |
| berndhs | the government was complaining that the people were no good | 05:59 |
| WIIman | the people are the government we lost confidance in ourselves | 06:00 |
| berndhs | depends on the country :) | 06:00 |
| WIIman | im in the us | 06:00 |
| berndhs | this was in east germany in the days or real existing socialism | 06:00 |
| berndhs | where the sun was always shining and the government was always right | 06:01 |
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| Dimpy_ | hello | 06:01 |
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| Dimpy_ | anyone can help me in account acreation in http://build.meego.com/? | 06:02 |
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| berndhs | Dimpy_: that's the core corporate one, you have to be real special for that | 06:04 |
| berndhs | perhaps you want build.pub.meego.com | 06:04 |
| berndhs | or perhaps you are real special :) | 06:04 |
| berndhs | ask here when people are awake in Europe, that's your best bet | 06:05 |
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| Dimpy_ | thanks for the information. | 06:06 |
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| WIIman | im looking at the meego velvet ui on a touchscreen it look awesome | 06:10 |
| Dimpy_ | can you tell me whom shall I contact for build.pub.meego.com? I need a place where I can build test package rpms which is open for use by anyone? | 06:10 |
| berndhs | try lbt | 06:10 |
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| berndhs | build.pub.meego.com sounds like the right place for that | 06:11 |
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| Dimpy_ | lbt? | 06:11 |
| berndhs | right | 06:11 |
| Dimpy_ | what is that? | 06:12 |
| berndhs | its the nick of the person who does a lot of the build system stuff | 06:12 |
| berndhs | i dont know if he's on now, but its 4 in the morning there, so it could be risky :) | 06:13 |
| Dimpy_ | ohh ok I will wait. | 06:15 |
| Dimpy_ | anyways thanks a lot. | 06:15 |
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| Jay_BEE | re | 06:51 |
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| yctv | Hi am using qtcreator for meego .. and it doesnt seem to have phonon:videoplayer in it. anyone tried to use the video player in meego apps? | 08:32 |
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| Myrtti | mmmmmm tea | 08:55 |
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| lbt | Dimpy_: I need your meego.com username ... and it'd be nice to know what you're planning on doing? | 10:10 |
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| Dimpy_ | yes sure it is dadhikar, i got the access in build.meego.com | 10:18 |
| Dimpy_ | I am the maintainer for meego handset sanity automation asset. | 10:19 |
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| lbt | Dimpy_: great ... do you want to use the community OBS too or are you just working on core? | 10:21 |
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| Dimpy_ | I got access to on core and i am using the same. | 10:22 |
| Dimpy_ | can you tell me is there any guidelines available for using the same? | 10:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: have you looked at my current slide task recently? | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Not since, err, Saturday. | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: please consider this an invitation to look again | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it's changed quite a bit :) | 10:42 |
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| prometoys | Hi, I have a question about MSSF: is Trusted Execution Environment (TrEE) a concrete product/chip or a concept? | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | prometoys: IIRC, it's an ARM feature | 11:20 |
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| prometoys | @Jaffa thanks... | 11:25 |
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| friesoft | hi! | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 11:51 |
| friesoft | I'm a Qt developer and would like to request access to the community obs if possible - do I need to take any further steps? | 11:52 |
| friesoft | (and in the future also MTF/Qml dev) | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | -> lbt | 11:53 |
| lbt | friesoft: we need your meego.com account | 11:53 |
| odin_ | have you signed up for meego.com account, I think he is copying the authentication details (so there is left conflict resolution to do to merge accounts infos) | 11:53 |
| friesoft | friesoft@gmail.com (via openid) | 11:53 |
| lbt | odin_: almost... we have shared ldap :) | 11:54 |
| odin_ | can you do my account please "dlmiles" | 11:54 |
| lbt | I just need to add users to the community group | 11:54 |
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| lbt | friesoft: just the account name, not email | 11:54 |
| friesoft | lbt: "friesoft" it should be | 11:55 |
| lbt | X-Fade: want to enable a couple of OBS users | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Did you setup the script? :) | 11:55 |
| lbt | ldap1 /usr/local/bin/add_to_obs.sh | 11:55 |
| lbt | followed by a username | 11:55 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Ok, then I can handle that ;) | 11:55 |
| lbt | it doesn't validate the username (yet ;) ) | 11:55 |
| friesoft | lbt: yep it's "friesoft" (had to check as I usually sign in via the email) | 11:56 |
| lbt | cool - I'm no longer a single point of failure | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | lbt: unless the script is incomprehensible to X-Fade ;-) | 11:56 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Oi! | 11:57 |
| lbt | it's a nice little ldif script ... | 11:57 |
| odin_ | is bugzilla due to be hooked upto ldap? I think I have same username different passwords on that | 11:57 |
| lbt | odin_: it is | 11:58 |
| lbt | don't know when yet | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | lbt: "Nice" *and* "ldif", eh? | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: No slight intended, honest ;-) | 11:59 |
| odin_ | lbt, can you do my account please "dlmiles" meego.com>cbuild ? | 11:59 |
| lbt | you should see the rough one | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Sure :) | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | odin_: Done. | 12:00 |
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| odin_ | thanks | 12:00 |
| lbt | odin_: I'm letting X-Fade do them both ... he's probably ssh'ing in... | 12:00 |
| lbt | 1 done | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | friesoft: done too. | 12:00 |
| friesoft | X-Fade: thanks :) will try | 12:01 |
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| friesoft | X-Fade: YES I'm in :) thanks a lot | 12:01 |
| lbt | X-Fade: I guess this should go on our obs-process page | 12:01 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, I guess a nice form or email alias would be needed though. | 12:02 |
| lbt | email alias is easiest I think - meego.com username and a few words on what you plan to do (as a captcha essentially) | 12:03 |
| smoku | in previous OBS version there was a link "Go to Repository" on project page | 12:03 |
| smoku | I cannot find it in current OBS | 12:03 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: In the repository tab of your project. | 12:04 |
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| smoku | oh. two step proces.. thanks X-Fade | 12:04 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: Yes, it is not that obvious. | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | smoku: But repo.pub.meego.com should work too :) | 12:05 |
| smoku | X-Fade, this host I wanted to find ;-) | 12:06 |
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| X-Fade | smoku: community obs is *.pub.meego.com, where * is what the core obs has too. | 12:06 |
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| arfoll | lbt, how do I fixe the baseurl in the *.repo files? Mine are still showing crepo.meego.com :-( | 12:08 |
| lbt | arfoll: you don't... we need to do that ... thanks for reminding us | 12:08 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 12:09 |
| arfoll | lbt, ok i'll be more patient | 12:09 |
| arfoll | also is there any documentation on the BOSS process? | 12:09 |
| lbt | arfoll: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS ... note there are some links within that page... also the source... it needs more intro docs too | 12:10 |
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| arfoll | lbt, ok i'll dig my teeth into that | 12:10 |
| lbt | arfoll: are you using it already or just interested? | 12:10 |
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| arfoll | lbt, I haven't even read about it :-) I will if it fits my need | 12:11 |
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| lbt | heh ... feel free to ask arfoll | 12:11 |
| copyleft | lbt, X-Fade: I can login to community obs by MeeGo account now. Thanks ;) | 12:12 |
| lbt | Ford_Prefect: community OBS ? | 12:12 |
| arfoll | lbt, oh I will, don't you worry! | 12:12 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: yes | 12:12 |
| arfoll | lbt, I do have a simple question, if I want to make my XBMC package as one single RPM - for example inclusion the intel appup store how would you recommend I go about it? | 12:12 |
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| lbt | we need your meego.com username and a "what are you doing" .... | 12:13 |
| lbt | arfoll: you said simple? | 12:13 |
| lbt | type "make" :) | 12:13 |
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| arfoll | lbt, well ok maybe that was premature | 12:13 |
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| lbt | so really that's a compliance question ? | 12:13 |
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| arfoll | lbt, no I just want to know your opinion on the best way to transform a bunch of rpms and make a single big rpm | 12:14 |
| * lbt is a debian guy :) | 12:14 | |
| arfoll | i'll worry about compliance with their rules later (i'm not even sure i'll put it on there) | 12:14 |
| smoku | I've just built my meego image using packages from community OBS. thanks for the good work guys :) | 12:15 |
| arfoll | i'm not even sure they have meego rules up yet anyways | 12:15 |
| lbt | but why a monolithic? | 12:15 |
| lbt | Ford_Prefect: ?? | 12:15 |
| arfoll | lbt, because submission needs to be one single RPM | 12:15 |
| lbt | ah... intel rules... OK | 12:15 |
| lbt | there is no easy answer | 12:15 |
| lbt | you need to meld all the specs of any non-core deps | 12:15 |
| arfoll | lbt, but would you recommend making a binary rpm or one spec file that compiles all the deps in order? | 12:16 |
| arfoll | can I even do the second, since i'd have to `make install` one part before compiling another | 12:17 |
| lbt | honestly no clue without thinking about it | 12:17 |
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| Bostik | wwwhat? "submission needs to be one single RPM" <-- where does that come from, and in what context? | 12:18 |
| Bostik | because it sounds rather silly | 12:18 |
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| Ford_Prefect | lbt: I'm trying to get familiar with OBS because eventually I I'll be helping out with core OBS. My user name on meego.com is arunsr. | 12:20 |
| lbt | done Ford_Prefect :) | 12:21 |
| Ford_Prefect | Thanks! :) | 12:21 |
| lcuk | Ford_Prefect, ontop of OBS, your knowledge of rpm and spec files should increase too! | 12:24 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Right. It looks pretty similar to ebuilds from Gentoo, since the broad principles are the same. | 12:24 |
| Ford_Prefect | But of course, the devil is in the syn^H^H^Hdetails :) | 12:25 |
| lcuk | heh | 12:25 |
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| Ford_Prefect | lbt: so when this is set up, I login at build.pub.meego.com with my meego.com user/pass, right? | 12:31 |
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| lbt | yes... (now should work) | 12:31 |
| Ford_Prefect | "Authentication failed | 12:32 |
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| lbt | when did you make a meego.com account ? | 12:32 |
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| lbt | <30mins ? | 12:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | Yes | 12:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | ~25 atm | 12:33 |
| lbt | wait until the next hour | 12:33 |
| lbt | 11am in UK | 12:33 |
| niala | morning :-| | 12:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | Okay | 12:33 |
| lbt | new accounts + pw changes sync on the hour | 12:33 |
| lbt | niala: morning... cheer up | 12:33 |
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| arfoll | lbt, ok I'll have a go at trying to write a script to generate an ugly big monolythic RPM, I think that'll be the easiest way | 12:34 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: I'd not want that app on my device if they encourage ugly practices like that. | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | That is just wrong :) | 12:36 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, what you don't want a 50MB rpm package? | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | And have the possibility of having the same lib in my device 20 times? :) | 12:36 |
| Termana | lbt, when did that start happening? Because I can't login to the community OBS with my meego.com account - or is that only for new accounts? | 12:36 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, it's the windows way.... | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Termana: We need to enable your account. | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: Let's not compare with windows ;) | 12:37 |
| arfoll | I think the problem is they are expecting either tiny apps or really self contained apps using only libs availabe in core | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, for simple apps that will do. | 12:38 |
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| Termana | X-Fade, ah - could you guys do so then please? meego.com username is Termana | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | Termana: Sure. | 12:38 |
| arfoll | boxee is on the app store but not for moblin... | 12:38 |
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| X-Fade | Termana: Try now. | 12:39 |
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| Termana | X-Fade, works thanks :) | 12:40 |
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| luist | hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | netbook or handset? | 12:46 |
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| niala | luist change droid google font is horrible | 12:50 |
| luist | netbook | 12:50 |
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| prometoys | does anybody know if MSSFv2 will still support an "open mode"? | 12:50 |
| niala | and why there is google-font google-browser ?? is commercial ? | 12:50 |
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| niala | meego-goole thats the real name of meego | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, ping, did you add some tags, I cant see them if you did | 12:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | arg | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i find a photo i took? | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | (no, i don't remember what year, no i don't remember what city/country) | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i remember it was green and outside a library, and i didn't tag it | 12:56 |
| lcuk | on your own flickr timeline? | 12:56 |
| lcuk | or local | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it could be on one of 5 local memory sticks | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | or on my mac | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | or uploaded to a server :) | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | (not flickr) | 12:57 |
| Ford_Prefect | Is there a way to look at the source packages for stuff that you see on meego-commits? | 12:57 |
| Ford_Prefect | Packages in Trunk:Testing, for example | 12:57 |
| thiago | timeless_mbp: I once read an article on how this will be remembered as the dark ages of information | 12:57 |
| thiago | lots of information produced without being catalogued | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: sounds about right | 12:58 |
| thiago | no tagging, no semantic detection | 12:58 |
| thiago | we seem to be emerging from it though | 12:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, it was warsaw 2009 | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't seem to have geotagged it | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | which more or less sucks | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://www.buw.uw.edu.pl/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=286&Itemid=91 <- this place? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | (scroll down for panorama) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | probably | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | amazing what a terrible description of a place will get me :) | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | not terribly many tourist-y green places in warsaw | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:04 |
| lcuk | thiago, tagging and semantic detection: how on earth did we cope before? | 13:04 |
| * lcuk has boxes with real photos | 13:04 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah, i know | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i was pretty sure the words i used to describe it would more or less properly identify my place | 13:06 |
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| luist | niala: so could that problem be related to font or u just hate google for some reason? | 13:07 |
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| luist | hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong? | 13:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/wall.png is what i wanted to find | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | badly stitched, i know | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's just so people understand what i'm thinking about | 13:13 |
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| Ford_Prefect | lbt: I still get an "Authentication failed" | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | oh and the originals are ~1mb apiece | 13:15 |
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| lbt | Ford_Prefect: try again ... and ping here as you press return so I can pause the log | 13:16 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: now | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | ideapad: it seems to idle at 1000mhz | 13:18 |
| lcuk | is this right?! | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: mine seems to hibernate | 13:19 |
| lcuk | sure after a while | 13:19 |
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| lcuk | but I can only see it running at 1000 or 1667 | 13:20 |
| lbt | Ford_Prefect: arunsr ? | 13:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: yes | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: art is now integrated into https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ :) | 13:24 |
| kallam | n | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | (no ponies) | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i have a seamaid | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | not quite a pony | 13:25 |
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| lbt | Ford_Prefect: that's not in our export... we'll have to wait for the US to wake up | 13:27 |
| Ford_Prefect | lbt: ah, okay | 13:27 |
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| lbt | zigbee: lets talk here | 13:40 |
| zigbee | ok | 13:40 |
| lbt | zigbee: you're not a native speaker ? | 13:40 |
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| lbt | I see you've done a lot of porting of apps :) Nice | 13:40 |
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| zigbee | after adding first package "plpa" (htop needs it for built), where i can see/download rpm? | 13:41 |
| zigbee | i am from russia | 13:41 |
| zigbee | i want to say, i can't see my home here: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/ | 13:42 |
| adeus | did you publish it? | 13:42 |
| lbt | X-Fade: ^^^ | 13:42 |
| arfoll | zigbee, i have htop built for x86/armv7 in home:arfoll:utils | 13:42 |
| lbt | he did | 13:42 |
| zigbee | i know, htop is just example for me to understand how to work with OBS | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | zigbee: Did you actually build something? | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | zigbee: It only publishes when there is actually something to publish. | 13:43 |
| zigbee | yes, plpa built success | 13:43 |
| lbt | ah | 13:44 |
| lbt | hold on | 13:44 |
| lbt | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=plpa&project=home%3Azigbee | 13:44 |
| lbt | it is rebuilding now | 13:44 |
| lbt | you may have re-triggered it | 13:44 |
| lbt | watch it here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=plpa&project=home%3Azigbee&repository=meego_1.1_core | 13:44 |
| arfoll | lbt, it must never have got built in the first place otherwise it would be in the repo | 13:44 |
| lbt | (click on the blue "building" link) | 13:45 |
| lbt | arfoll: prolly ... but there's a tiny race | 13:45 |
| zigbee | wow :) | 13:45 |
| arfoll | zigbee, I dont understand the dep for htop, I don't build plpa | 13:45 |
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| zigbee | strange, in fedora htop depends on plpa | 13:46 |
| arfoll | zigbee, you need to do an osc add plpa/* and osc commit to make sure your sources are in there | 13:46 |
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| zigbee | may be that dependency is optional | 13:46 |
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| arfoll | I think it's to do with some of the patches fedora had for htop, I removed all of them. My spec is really dirty though I need to clean it up | 13:47 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Is there a wiki page which describes building a package (http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial) and getting started with OBS? | 13:47 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 13:48 |
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| lbt | best I've seen :( | 13:48 |
| Jaffa | lbt: and/or http://wiki.meego.com/Build_System#Packagers.2FDevelopers ? | 13:48 |
| lbt | that's good - not seen it (my fault for not drilling in) | 13:49 |
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| X-Fade | Let's just say that is an area people can contribute to.. | 13:49 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed. | 13:54 |
| zigbee | thanks for help! | 13:54 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: and we still have hostname issues ... the .repo file is wrong | 13:55 |
| * zigbee gone to read manuals and wiki | 13:55 | |
| X-Fade | lbt: Yes, we might need to do some sed magic. | 13:56 |
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| zinit | annoying not being able to play with the ideapad at work when there's nothing to do.... company policy not to use private laptops at work.... | 13:57 |
| lcuk_idea | timoph: do you have link/wiki page for your repo please. | 13:57 |
| zinit | would be nice if someone would make a list of the repos that works | 13:58 |
| zinit | there are many listed various places that doesnt work | 13:58 |
| zinit | anyone here checked up on 3G cards yet? and if so, does it work in meego? | 14:00 |
| luist | hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing.. what could it be wrong? | 14:00 |
| zinit | sounds like you got a screwed driver | 14:00 |
| lbt | zinit: we really want to discourage 'lists of repos' | 14:00 |
| zinit | or need to check your config | 14:00 |
| lbt | *huge* pain in the maemo community from that | 14:00 |
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| lbt | hence the community OBS allowing ppa-like functionality (until we get more team/extras sorted) | 14:01 |
| Mek | doesn't obs in a way encourage people having them own repos? | 14:01 |
| zinit | would make it easier if there was a list of "official" repos that works | 14:01 |
| lbt | Mek: yes... but all on meego.com as part of a community | 14:01 |
| timoph | lcuk_idea: I posted it in the forums | 14:01 |
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| lbt | forums? of what do you speak ? | 14:02 |
| timoph | lcuk_idea: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2020 | 14:02 |
| timoph | :) | 14:02 |
| lbt | those things that *STILL* don't have an email bridge !!! | 14:02 |
| lcuk | of course timoph and you are on the highly Thanks! list too http://forum.meego.com/thankedposts.php | 14:02 |
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| timoph | oh. haven't noticed that you can sort the threads that way | 14:03 |
| timoph | but it would be a good idea to collect repo links to some wiki page | 14:04 |
| CosmoHill | helo people | 14:04 |
| timoph | lo | 14:05 |
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| lbt | timoph: can we have a wiki page for ITP | 14:06 |
| lbt | err, intent to package/port | 14:06 |
| lbt | kinda like a namespace registration page | 14:06 |
| lbt | could also have link to the repo/ppa that hosts it | 14:07 |
| timoph | yep | 14:07 |
| * CosmoHill might make mpi for meego | 14:07 | |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 14:08 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: nice to see the OBS url up ^.^ | 14:09 |
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| arfoll | lbt, what is the community obs running on? it only has one worker? | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: It will have more soon. | 14:11 |
| CosmoHill | 'extras" would be things people might like but won't be shipped by default | 14:11 |
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| arfoll | X-Fade, is it going to have some dedicated armv7 workers too? | 14:11 |
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| X-Fade | arfoll: Why would that need to setup? | 14:12 |
| arfoll | X-Fade, just wondering it would be cool to have some fast armv7 pandaboards | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | arfoll: Crossbuild is so much faster anyway. | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | And until we have armv7 servers with multiple GBs of RAM, we can't use them anyway. | 14:13 |
| arfoll | ah yeah that's true | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | Would be cool though ;) Just not practicle. | 14:13 |
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| arfoll | building my first packages for amrv7 and i understood the slight perf problems... | 14:14 |
| lbt | dedicated arm is not for us... but there are people doing that with OBS :) | 14:15 |
| * niala another hard disk broken with brtfs an ssd and an 3" | 14:15 | |
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| Martijn_ | hi there | 14:19 |
| Martijn_ | ive got a question | 14:19 |
| Martijn_ | when will meego be available to NAND install on the N900? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | never, we used to have it like that, but meego's too fat | 14:20 |
| Martijn_ | because when i try i get the usb_bulk_write error | 14:20 |
| Martijn_ | that sux | 14:20 |
| lcuk | who was looking at the multitouch stuff on the ideapad | 14:20 |
| Martijn_ | so the only way is to use an SDHC card? | 14:20 |
| Ford_Prefect | There is the chroot | 14:21 |
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| Martijn_ | hmmm... well, i'll try the multi boot way with an external card | 14:22 |
| Martijn_ | i guess that does work? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | Martijn_, down dark corridors and in test labs people have used the internal emmc to put meego on, but its highly non standard and has double impact in both recoverability and reuse | 14:22 |
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| Martijn_ | hmmz. ok, tnx for the answers :) | 14:24 |
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| lolloo | hellooo0oo MeeGo fans | 14:30 |
| x_O | Hi, how to gain access to http://tl.meego.com/ is this public resource? | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | lbt: maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll try and build MPI on the cobs and write down how I did it so I can teach others | 14:31 |
| lolloo | x_O : what is that! | 14:31 |
| lbt | nod | 14:31 |
| lolloo | needs username and pass | 14:32 |
| x_O | its test link instance | 14:32 |
| CosmoHill | I'd guess it's not public then | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | x_O: ask on meego-qa mailing list | 14:32 |
| x_O | we are intereset i QA process for meego, | 14:32 |
| x_O | Stskeeps, ok | 14:32 |
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| TrackerDPP | hello all | 14:49 |
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| niala | someone is using evolution? Can I choose the keyboard shortcuts? | 14:54 |
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| andre__ | niala: keyboard shortcuts like...? | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | wazd: hey | 15:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: are you back? =) | 15:03 |
| niala | like next unread. | 15:03 |
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| andre__ | niala: that shortcut is . on the desktop. don't know, did you try? | 15:03 |
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| niala | yes and need 2 finger is to much for me :) | 15:06 |
| andre__ | for a dot you need two fingers? what hardware are you on? | 15:06 |
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| fcrozat | andre__: french keyboard :) | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | andre__: azerty does that :) | 15:06 |
| andre__ | geez | 15:06 |
| niala | yes fr keyboard | 15:07 |
| fcrozat | same for [ or for digits | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | I'd just set it to qwerty and not look at the keys, but that is just me ;) | 15:07 |
| niala | thank you guy for understand me :) | 15:07 |
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| sivang | luck: ah , okay | 15:10 |
| sivang | luck: good | 15:10 |
| * sivang fetches for the page again | 15:12 | |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, spellchecking observation: my badge is one example :P | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | multitouch is funky o_O | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | but I can see how it passes boobie test and potentially how other devices dont | 15:25 |
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| sivang | luck: where's the page btw? | 15:35 |
| sivang | luck: the wiki is playing tricks on me today | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | sivang, which page | 15:41 |
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| sivang | lcuk: proper vkeyboard planning | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | sivang, pages: | 15:44 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Input_Method_Framework/MeeGo_1.1 | 15:44 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | the predictive one is a proposal/starting point for something discussed at the conf | 15:45 |
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| lcuk | marnanel has started it off in fine fashion and discussion is ongoing | 15:45 |
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| sivang | lcuk: thanks | 15:47 |
| niala | tt | 15:49 |
| lcuk | I was looking at the mouse input point stream last night | 15:50 |
| aruiz | has anyone had any luck trying to poweron an ARM run for the meego handset release? | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | and whilst the cursor in x11 is only a single cursor, the reported positions are coming in interleaved | 15:50 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | that was a 2 finger gesture from right to left | 15:51 |
| aruiz | I keep getting this error: http://pastebin.com/H9Axeq4V | 15:51 |
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| GAN900 | Inspiron Duo actually looks nice. | 15:52 |
| lcuk | aruiz, did you check if that file exists? | 15:52 |
| lcuk | GAN900, did you by chance tag any photos | 15:52 |
| lcuk | i cant find out how to tag them myself and noticed tim tagged some last night | 15:52 |
| aruiz | lcuk: well, obviously it doesn't, where do I get it? | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | aruiz, thats a maemo image if i am not mistaken | 15:53 |
| aruiz | lcuk: does that mean that there's no ARM image for meego handset atm? | 15:54 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, only my own. | 15:54 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, haven't done enough people yet. | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | aruiz, since you have jumped in at a strange point, not sure which instructions you are following or if you are trying to get madde to emulate meego image | 15:55 |
| lcuk | but there are certainly instructions for configuring madde with meego :) | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 15:56 |
| aruiz | lcuk: well, I'm trying to boot the handset release with x86, but it hangs at the SYSLINUX stage | 15:56 |
| aruiz | that's the instructions I am following | 15:56 |
| aruiz | I was wondering if the ARM release would have the same problem | 15:56 |
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| aruiz | lcuk: creating the target works, is the runtime bit that fails | 15:58 |
| lcuk | well aruiz since that page does not mention running the command you showed failing | 15:58 |
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| aruiz | lcuk: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | and instead points you towards meego images http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Install_MeeGo_Target | 15:59 |
| lcuk | instead of maemo ones | 15:59 |
| lcuk | I think you need to carefully reread the docs | 15:59 |
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| sx0n | http://gigaom.com/2010/11/18/its-gonna-be-an-android-world-and-well-just-live-in-it/ | 16:01 |
| sx0n | ...*sigh* | 16:01 |
| RST38h | The End Is Coming! Run For Your Lives? | 16:02 |
| tybollt | RST38h: ? | 16:02 |
| aruiz | lcuk: I did, the problem is, apparently there's no installable runtime for meego 1.1 handset in ARM | 16:02 |
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| berndhs | RST38h: again ? | 16:03 |
| RST38h | Ah, a close examination of the nice pie graph they have got in there indicates that it is ADVERTISING IMPRESSIONS | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | Based on that, the authors make a conclusion that the Android will dominate. Interesting logic. | 16:04 |
| sx0n | Androids has taken the control,... i still wonder how they manager get the symbian down to 2% | 16:04 |
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| RST38h | sx0n: Read the text carefully. | 16:04 |
| tybollt | sx0n: what RST38h says... | 16:04 |
| berndhs | impressions, that's they number of times the ad has been loaded into a browser, right ? | 16:04 |
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| tybollt | sx0n: advert impressions... | 16:05 |
| RST38h | berndhs: yes | 16:05 |
| Ford_Prefect | in the US only | 16:05 |
| tybollt | so all it says is... "nokia does a pisspoor job at adevertising in the US" which... is not news :) | 16:05 |
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| Ford_Prefect | I read advertising impressions as impressions on mobile ads from devices running foo OS. | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | tybollt: which for me would be rather an argument for nokia and against android... eye of the beholder and all | 16:06 |
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| sx0n | yeah. but hey.. meego is at least coming, it's good thing. i would rather live in meego world than android world. That would end like in that tom hanks movie. | 16:06 |
| Ford_Prefect | (which the footnote text does bear out) | 16:06 |
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| sx0n | hm. bruce willis actually. | 16:07 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Android will kill the terrorists after walking over broken glass and cussing till it's blue? | 16:10 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 16:11 |
| zinit | killin leads to paperwork and messy cleanups... better to undermine and discredit them:) | 16:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yeah | 16:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | we're here? | 16:27 |
| javispedro | yep | 16:27 |
| lcuk | \o | 16:27 |
| lolloo | guys how do I get to MeeGo repos? | 16:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | c:\program files\lenovo\lenovo screen rotation\screenrotationsettings.exe | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | path on the ideapad | 16:28 |
| javispedro | I have a kernel input driver outputting raw accelerometer values already http://gitorious.org/iaps/iaps | 16:28 |
| javispedro | ranges are ~ 400...720 , and jitter is ~ 6 | 16:29 |
| lcuk | multitouch input is comging through x11 but its interleaved with normal commands and the mouse driver already filters it to be single | 16:29 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png | 16:29 |
| javispedro | so it can be stabilized IMO | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: anyway, did you try running that app? | 16:29 |
| andre__ | lolloo, http://repo.meego.com/ ? | 16:29 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: yes, it sucks as you said -- too sensitive | 16:29 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 16:29 |
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| jonnor | javispedro: the Ideapad has an accelerometer? | 16:30 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:30 |
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| lolloo | hi andre__ | 16:30 |
| javispedro | btw use the driver at your own risk =) (obvious reasons: no official docs...) | 16:30 |
| jonnor | Nice, I did not spot that when prodding about. I guess it was due to the lack of a kernel driver | 16:30 |
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| rhalff | hi | 16:30 |
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| rhalff | where does the poulsbo psb driver come from ? | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, javispedro happily the ideapad passes boobie test :) | 16:32 |
| rhalff | I want to use it in gentoo, but can't find where it originates ? is it a ubuntu made driver ? | 16:32 |
| lcuk | on windows at least :P | 16:32 |
| javispedro | lcuk: on windows the touchscreen only recognized up to two finger too? | 16:32 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:32 |
| javispedro | *fingers though | 16:32 |
| lcuk | but when you open paint | 16:32 |
| lcuk | and draw a pair of boobies they remain as circles | 16:32 |
| javispedro | the boobies test lol | 16:32 |
| lcuk | other lesser hardware (normally the large format MT all in ones..) fail | 16:33 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: what's w/ these ideapads? conference atendees are being handed ideapads? :) | 16:33 |
| rhalff | yeah multitouch opens up a whole new spectrum of new ideas for online p0rn, or wasn't that the subject ? :p | 16:33 |
| lcuk | javispedro, http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 | 16:33 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I wonder if the two fingers limitation comes from the hw or the windows driver? | 16:33 |
| aruiz | rhalff: hah | 16:33 |
| lcuk | javispedro, its the same on x11 | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: yes | 16:33 |
| javispedro | oh | 16:33 |
| javispedro | well, I guess two fingers is better than one =) | 16:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: unless nokia/intel paid your way | 16:34 |
| lcuk | i was doing some checks with 1/2/3/4 fingers | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | in which case you might not have gotten one | 16:34 |
| lcuk | and the screen itself only appears to offer 2 | 16:34 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: How are _you_ coping (thinking of the latter part of your nickname ;)? | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | tybollt, timeless_mbp has an ideapad also | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: it's timeless_w7ip | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it's been on for a bit | 16:34 |
| tybollt | ;) | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | but it likes going to sleep | 16:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yes, it seems to do a good job on the "boobies test" :) | 16:35 |
| lcuk | he is just being a heathen and using substandard tech | 16:35 |
| tybollt | lcuk: :D | 16:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: wise men study their competition | 16:35 |
| lcuk | wiser men write reports on it too | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm going to file bugs about stuff | 16:35 |
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| rhalff | @random_questions: does the emgd driver work in meego with vaapi ? | 16:35 |
| lcuk | ++ | 16:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: have you looked at my slides? | 16:36 |
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| tybollt | lcuk: which ideapad is it that is being passed around, I mean, what model? | 16:36 |
| javispedro | s10-3t | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | S10-t3 | 16:36 |
| lcuk | S10-3t | 16:36 |
| tybollt | danke | 16:36 |
| tybollt | :) | 16:36 |
| javispedro | the one without wimax or 3 | 16:36 |
| javispedro | g | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | oh yeah lcuk got it right | 16:36 |
| * timeless_mbp was reading it upside down | 16:36 | |
| lcuk | its got a sim slot tho | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: where? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | does that have a driver to read the contents from? | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i saw a card reader driver | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but couldn't find a slot | 16:37 |
| lcuk | under the battery | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 16:37 |
| odin_ | under the battery | 16:37 |
| lcuk | normal place for a sim :P | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | well... | 16:37 |
| jonnor | lcuk: is there actually hardware in there? | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, damn, yesterday was Sunday, wasn't it? | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | there is a driver for a card reader | 16:37 |
| javispedro | lcuk: do not try and fit anything inside it, there's no hardware behind it | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i've seen that | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: really? | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | then why is there a card reader driver installed in w7? | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: sd card, maybe? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | what good is a slot in the backside if you cant push things into it | 16:38 |
| jonnor | timeless_mbp: for the sd card slot on the front? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: sd/ms/mmc card reader iirc | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | jonnor: ah, i didn't spot that slot | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks :) | 16:38 |
| lcuk | do the contacts on n900 get pushed to its sim? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | or are they just stored in the database | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: not normally | 16:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can try to move stuff into the sim if you want | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but sim support for contact fields is awful | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so you don't get happy round trips | 16:39 |
| lcuk | ok will have to get syncing working then | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the UI is in the menu | 16:39 |
| javispedro | from what I gather from some other s10 users you can actually fit a 3g modem on a pciexpress slot that sits near the sim slot | 16:39 |
| lcuk | yeah I understand | 16:39 |
| lcuk | bare bones | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | g | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: in the menu, tap Groups | 16:40 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: here is fine :) | 16:40 |
| lcuk | how do I reconnect webchat without closing the window and reentering details? | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | in there is "SIM card contacts" | 16:40 |
| lcuk | thanks timeless_mbp | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, unless you're using Nokia Fingrish | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | in which case, good luck | 16:40 |
| jonnor | lcuk: /reconnect ? | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | (or just upgrade...) | 16:40 |
| lcuk | ta, will try it | 16:40 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: It was Sunday yesterday, yes ;-) | 16:40 |
| javispedro | there's also a socket for what seemingly is tv-in on the chassis =) | 16:40 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: has the GUI come lots further on the netbook side of things than on the handheld? | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: um | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | tybollt: Well, you can do some stuff. | 16:41 |
| javispedro | clearly, the lenovo guys reuse the same chassis for all s10-3t models | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | you're asking someone who has w7starter running on his lap | 16:41 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: ditch starter btw, the onboard keyboard is awful | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: it mostly works | 16:41 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: the pro one is much, much better (you can use the tabletpc edition one) | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing that bothers me about starter is that i can't use snipping tool! | 16:41 |
| tybollt | Jaffa: the n900 demo was ... not much use when I tried it... basically ... is the netbook GUI... further evolved than that? | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: how much is the upgrade cost to pro? | 16:42 |
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| javispedro | timeless_mbp: -$20 from full price | 16:42 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: so, a lot. | 16:42 |
| * javispedro has MSDNAA :) | 16:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | um, **** you | 16:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: have you looked at my current slide set? | 16:43 |
| javispedro | I was at your session | 16:43 |
| javispedro | excellent one btw, one of the best imo | 16:43 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: URL? | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ | 16:43 |
| tybollt | woiw that was instant :D | 16:44 |
| javispedro | ah, not THAT session :) | 16:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | note that this slide set is really not done | 16:46 |
| andybleaden | hi.anyone been able to get the gnome-appearance-settings to actually change things.cannot seem to make any difference here at all | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it wants feedback and editing | 16:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, and suggestions for art are welcome | 16:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | but don't ask for a pony, that's already covered by slide 43 :) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | PINK pony! | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | err 42 | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah, I'm going to blame that on jetlag or something. | 16:47 |
| * timeless_mbp moves a slide | 16:47 | |
| andybleaden | looking to try to change the theme and cursor | 16:47 |
| Myrtti | PPPPPPIIIINNKKKKK | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, issue creation went OK, I guess? | 16:47 |
| javispedro | well, gtg | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Sounds sensible ;-) | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: I cut 100 wonderful articles due to lack of time to edit them</sarcasm> | 16:47 |
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| Jaffa | tybollt: Well, yeah - it's almost usable as a netbook OS if you can live with the weirdities. | 16:48 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 16:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: slide 42 currently has a pinkish merwooman | 16:48 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, well, I owe you next week, I guess. ;) | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | s/oo/o/ | 16:48 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: tybollt: slide 42 currently has a pinkish merwoman | 16:48 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'm stairing at it now and it is terribly red, I'm afraid :) | 16:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: that's the background | 16:49 |
| tybollt | fair enough :) | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 16:49 |
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| tybollt | anyway you should censor the boobies | 16:49 |
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| tybollt | you don't want to upset the PC movement ;) | 16:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: http://bip.warszawa.pl/English/Main_Menu/capital_city_of_warsaw/coat_of_arms_colours.htm | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | she won't stick around forever | 16:51 |
| tybollt | gdansk > warsaw, but yeah ;) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | that warsaw coat of arms mermaid, is it stskeeps wife? since he is the merman :P | 16:51 |
| tybollt | this is getting freaky | 16:52 |
| * RST38h likes Polish criminal police uniforms way better | 16:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: that's just to silence the requests for ponies | 16:53 |
| mortenmj | trying to use the meego compliance tools. i'm unable to install via zypper from within my image (claims it's already installed, but when i try "zypper info" it says there's no such package) and when i try to access the OBS to download it myself i'm told to log in. any ideas? | 16:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: url or it didn't happen :) | 16:53 |
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| RST38h | a moment | 16:53 |
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| GAN900 | Lenovo is much better with Ubuntu. | 16:55 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: than? | 16:56 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo | 16:56 |
| GAN900 | Although Unity sucks. | 16:56 |
| andybleaden | GAN900, I don't know. Meego is working fine and dandy on my Lenovo S10-2 | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | I actually wouldn't mind using the thing if there screen weren't so terrible. | 16:57 |
| sivang | lcuk: notes added. Note that word completion is in Maemo and is learning text your type on the go, maybe we can base some work on that one. | 16:57 |
| andybleaden | GAN900, Agree about Unity...really did not work on this netbook | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | Aside from the ACPI irritations it WORKS fine | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | I just don't LIKE it. | 16:58 |
| lcuk | sivang, \o/ awesome | 16:58 |
| lcuk | link again | 16:58 |
| sivang | lcuk: you mean to maemo's completion? | 16:58 |
| sivang | or ours? | 16:58 |
| andybleaden | GAN900, that was why I kept going back and hacking moblin | 16:58 |
| sivang | http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard#2010-11-22 | 16:58 |
| lcuk | GAN900, thats good, now explain in careful terms where its wrong and together we might make it beeter :) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | sivang, i mean back to the page you just edited | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, doubt it. | 16:58 |
| sivang | lcuk: see 3 lines up | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | Issues seems rather fundamental. | 16:59 |
| lcuk | roger sivang \o | 16:59 |
| sivang | hey GAN900 :) | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, you have only seen one installation, consider it a base camp | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Shit, can't find the link, got eaten by the Internet most likely | 16:59 |
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| andybleaden | GAN900, Mine is more how I like it now tho (bought moblin stuff across) | 16:59 |
| lcuk | andybleaden, have you gotten involved in the ITP stuff timoph and lbt are starting | 17:00 |
| lcuk | if you can already port packages and bring them then making a few available will be good | 17:00 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP | 17:01 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, what is that then? | 17:01 |
| lcuk | ^^ | 17:01 |
| lcuk | ta david \o | 17:01 |
| andybleaden | lcuk, oh ok will look at that then | 17:01 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: asking here is fine :) | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | hm lbt, perhaps we could do with some explanation and links to how to actually add repos and stuff | 17:02 |
| lcuk | lemme see if I can dig up some of that from the forum link | 17:02 |
| lcuk | (which would also be good to link to | 17:02 |
| lbt | csw_ocube: by which I mean not /msg | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | hey? | 17:03 |
| andybleaden | lcuk when I said hacking I meant breaking! :) I cannot write apps though. I just hacked into the Moblin live image for themes and stuff | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: do you do BT stuff? | 17:03 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, ? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | windows has a way to support autoconfiguring WiFi using a USB stick and some magic file | 17:03 |
| lcuk | BT as in british Telecom, or BT as in bluetooth | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the latter | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be kinda cool if meego could support that | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | in a couple of forms: | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, with my very first ISP installation in windows (circa 2000), there was a magic file also | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. if you stick in a usb stick w/ that magic file, it should be able to offer to auto configure wifi | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: did it work? :) | 17:04 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 17:04 |
| lcuk | ukonline | 17:04 |
| lcuk | got me online :) | 17:04 |
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| lbt | csw_ocube: ? | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, one installation of what? A MeeGo UX? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | GAN900, yes the first dedicated meego installation for many | 17:05 |
| tybollt | 16:04 < timeless_mbp> 1. if you stick in a usb stick w/ that magic file, it should be able to offer to auto configure wifi | 17:06 |
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| tybollt | what the hell does that have to do w/ BT? :-S | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, well, I'm not commenting on anything but the Netbook UX. | 17:06 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: Is it any good? | 17:06 |
| * tybollt has a Sony Vaio P at home sitting around unused due to EPIC poulsbo fail... would it benefit from having meego on it at this point? | 17:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: oh, it'd be nice if we could somehow do it for bt too | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess | 17:07 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: aaah, well yeah sure | 17:07 |
| dm8tbr | \o/ MeeGo unlike *buntu offers the timezone UTC in the install wizzard! <3 | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | it seems that sshd isnt available/running on my ideapad | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 17:10 |
| lcuk | openssh-server | 17:10 |
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| Jaffa | dm8tbr: Hmm, that reminds me - I wonder if anyone's raised the equivalent of https://bugs.maemo.org/303 yet for MeeGo. | 17:15 |
| povbot | Bug 303: Clock should allow configurable 12h/24h display | 17:15 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=303 maj, High, 1.0, abockover, VERI FIXED, Media player(banshee) crash after launch | 17:15 |
| slaine | andybleaden: curious as to what you brought over from Moblin ? | 17:15 |
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| andybleaden | Oh..i could not break it any more | 17:16 |
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| andybleaden | oh ..he left | 17:16 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone know how to determine "BUILD IMAGE", or what we installed at the conf. was? | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | Anyway, bug 10310 raised | 17:23 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 nor, Undecided, ---, tf, NEW, Configuration setting for 12/24h not respected in toolbar clock | 17:23 |
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| odin_ | Jaffa, netbook-ia32-x86_64-20101110124 ? | 17:24 |
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| niala | image at conf was a "special" image ? | 17:25 |
| lcuk | niala, on tablets-dev | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | it was noted it was only there because it was built outside the normal daily/weekly | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and integration will occur asap | 17:26 |
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| niala | ahh ok thanks | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | odin_: Thanks. How did you work that out?! | 17:27 |
| Myrtti | is there even a way of telling it the week starts from Monday? | 17:27 |
| odin_ | have USB stick plugged in, and did "file -sL /dev/sdc1" on it | 17:27 |
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| odin_ | it is the ISO label | 17:28 |
| dm8tbr | meh, seems virtualbox and meego1.1 netbook image don't like each other. at least the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox instructions don't seem to work. GUI keeps crashing until init throttles it | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | odin_: Ah, I gave my USB stick back cos I'm a good boy ;-) | 17:28 |
| odin_ | we were meant to hand them back ? opps.... | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, I went back and requested a stick and was given one without a red stripe on it | 17:30 |
| odin_ | what does red stripe mean (mine does not have one either) ? | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | odin_: Broadcom drivers, IIRC | 17:31 |
| lcuk | the red stripe version includes binary drivers | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Ah, cool | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | the nice lady at the desk explained why I couldnt have one of those but that I was ok to have the open one | 17:31 |
| Bostik | okay, I have a rough (= it builds into packages, but some modules had to be skipped) QtMobility 1.1 spec-file, along with the associated patches; how should I proceed to make them useful for those who actually work on the meego-side packaging? | 17:31 |
| lcuk | Bostik, firstly, test them | 17:32 |
| lcuk | do you have obs link/branches | 17:32 |
| lcuk | so people can try | 17:32 |
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| Bostik | private obs at the moment | 17:32 |
| lcuk | once its known they are fine, they should be offered as a merge request to the gitorious I assume | 17:32 |
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| Bostik | I know painfully well that as they are now, they are still incomplete | 17:33 |
| Bostik | this was something we needed for our own project | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | Bostik, I know you have said | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | Bostik, perhaps #qt-mobility would be a good place to ask :) | 17:36 |
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| Bostik | ah, of course :) | 17:37 |
| * lcuk is on another version of that channel and mentioned your hacking initially, but now you may have something potential it might be an idea to follow with them | 17:37 | |
| lcuk | and see if a merge request for that portion would be acceptible | 17:37 |
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| luist | hey guys... i installed my meego app in a new version of meego (1.1) and the dynamic text now is terrible... seems theres no anti-aliasing now.. what could it be wrong? | 18:28 |
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| notmart | luist: could be related to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10258 | 18:33 |
| mortenmj | any of you used the meego compliance tools? it tells me "WARNING:root:rpm: Error format intermedia data, skip!" | 18:33 |
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| luist | notmart: thanks | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | hello WIIman \o | 19:12 |
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| WIIman | lcuk | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | WIIman, I am ok | 19:18 |
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| nuovodna | hi, the weekly images of meego here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.80.7.20101119.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ are installable in native way to N900 ? | 19:19 |
| pupnik | ty nuovodna | 19:19 |
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| sivang | who's taking care of meego's python btw? | 19:20 |
| andre__ | nuovodna, that image worked for me, yes | 19:21 |
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| nuovodna | thanks andre__ | 19:21 |
| sivang | andre__: using mSD? | 19:21 |
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| mtameni | hi all | 19:22 |
| andre__ | sivang, yes | 19:22 |
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| lizardo | sivang: on the Qt API aspect, the PySide team | 19:22 |
| sivang | andre__: right, I was concerned what "native" in nuovodna's message ment. | 19:22 |
| nuovodna | yep sivang | 19:22 |
| nuovodna | native not in msd | 19:22 |
| sivang | nuovodna: oh | 19:22 |
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| andre__ | ah | 19:23 |
| ymb | sivang the notes of the Python BoF are http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Python_BoF | 19:23 |
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| sivang | ymb: thanks | 19:25 |
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| sivang | what is the meego system-config apps? | 19:27 |
| sivang | *Are | 19:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre: so, i'm going through art trying to choose an icon for a "downstream distribution" | 19:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | choices include: | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3915513242/in/photostream/ | 19:28 |
| nuovodna | I have installed multiboot-power-kernel but no kernel appears on boot menu...anyone knows how to recovery a working boot? | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3915515098/in/photostream/ | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.flickr.com/photos/crystaljingsr/3914730605/in/photostream/ | 19:28 |
| * timeless_mbp can't quite decide | 19:28 | |
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| andre__ | timeless_mbp, "icon"? these all are not icons | 19:29 |
| andre__ | way too noisy | 19:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASgJOFz-h_P4ZGZkaDdqNWNfOTdkZnRqdnRoag&hl=en&authkey=CO3ovQQ slide 30 | 19:29 |
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| andre__ | context? | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | ymb, at a guess, the previous 29 pages will give context | 19:30 |
| lcuk | -ymb, | 19:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk++ | 19:30 |
| * lcuk was going to ask ymb what the weather was like | 19:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm taking votes :) | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | morning NooBmonk3y | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | moaaaaning | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | eeeevening | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | night..... | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | one or tother | 19:32 |
| ymb | lcuk, it's cold (-7), with lots of snow. But so far the cold has not lasted long enough to freeze the sea | 19:32 |
| sivang | hey nuovodna | 19:32 |
| sivang | err, NooBmonk3y | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, healthcheck has swipey goodness! | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol hey sivang | 19:32 |
| sivang | ymb: Helsinki, Finland? :) | 19:32 |
| lcuk | ooh NooBmonk3y | 19:32 |
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| NooBmonk3y | not slidey swipe, but if you swipe left it goes to the next screen, or if you swipe right it goes back etc :) | 19:33 |
| lcuk | ymb, yeah it will tkae a considerable spell to get that far, would like to go for a walk on it this time | 19:33 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, niiiiice | 19:33 |
| * qgil is back after some rest - now I do feel like 1.2 :) | 19:33 | |
| NooBmonk3y | lol ;) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | hey qgil \o | 19:34 |
| qgil | hi lcuk | 19:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | qgil: geoping | 19:34 |
| qgil | timeless_mbp: mOUNTAIN vIEW PONG | 19:34 |
| qgil | oops | 19:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh, ok | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i thought i heard your voice on a call this morning (HEL local time) | 19:35 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:35 |
| qgil | timeless_mbp: I'm not in cacophony yet | 19:35 |
| qgil | timeless_mbp: maybe in a few decades | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5hh8rkcw/Selection_003.png :) | 19:36 |
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| RST38h | moo qgil | 19:36 |
| lcuk | :D NooBmonk3y your graphic looks like HHGTG style!!! | 19:37 |
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| lcuk | all we need now is the voice! | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe ;) - lol | 19:37 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: the text on the bottom left is cropped in 'move' and 'bac' | 19:38 |
| lcuk | speaking of which, qgil was talking to ummmm miniature developer who I forgot his irc nick for, and remarked voice instrucitons on moves would be awesome! | 19:38 |
| lcuk | because he was trying to teach one of the other devs playing for real | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: and s/system and information checker/system information checker/ | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | timeless_mbp, yup :P lol just moved the image sorry | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | was working earlier, but in midst play | 19:38 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: i don't mind, as long as you take feedback | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | not a prob at all :) | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: my slides @meego conf failed because of a GDocs => PPT export :( | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | any feedback is good feedback ;) | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 19:39 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | I had used spaces for word wrapping around an image | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and the PowerPoint fonts apparently had different widths | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | qgil, and his cccccraaaaazzzzy ideas ;) | 19:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so the spaces were insufficient to trigger wrapping and the text went behind the graphics (more or less) | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | awwww lol | 19:40 |
| lcuk | git was mikhas getting enthusiastic explaining how the moves should go | 19:40 |
| lcuk | -g | 19:40 |
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| qgil | chess is a silent game - maybe for IVI UX while you are in long boring trips ;) | 19:40 |
| lcuk | in the end, I think both players just ended up just playing his game :P | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe | 19:40 |
| lcuk | haha | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | very true | 19:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm secret healthcheck voice command "Bacon" lol | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | qgil: it's important for the "Easy" difficulty of chess to not be HARD | 19:41 |
| lcuk | mmmm bacon | 19:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ;) | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | ... and chess doesn't have to be silent | 19:41 |
| Bostik | battle chess with some inappropriate sound effects would be fun | 19:41 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, faster cpus make that more difficult than you think! | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: ... | 19:41 |
| * lcuk giggles | 19:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: the turbo button wasn't needed post 1986 | 19:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | we're in... 2010 | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | so we're talking about... nearly 25 years | 19:43 |
| inz | Bostik, I always tried to win battle chess with a knight. =) | 19:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | qgil: oh, and chessmaster 3000 and older weren't silent :) | 19:44 |
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| Bostik | inz: the best I remember was a rook literally eating the queen | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i don't think Chess for my Atari 400 was silent | 19:44 |
| inz | Bostik, that was fun too =) | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | inz: hey, you near @HEL? | 19:45 |
| inz | Bostik, the knight sliced king's robe open | 19:45 |
| Bostik | aaaaahhh, you're right | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | HP7p1 should be in theaters | 19:45 |
| inz | timeless, nah, safely @home | 19:45 |
| Bostik | the embarrassed look on king's face | 19:45 |
| * timeless_mbp can't remember where that is | 19:45 | |
| aloisiojr | @all did somebody have problems with lcd backlight on the ideapad? | 19:46 |
| WIIman | woot sdl built :) i need it for zsnes | 19:46 |
| inz | timeless, small town near Tampere | 19:46 |
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| sivang | nuovodna: "native" install should probably be avoided until bug #2260 is fixed. | 19:48 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2260 cri, High, ---, ilkka.koskinen, REOP, N900 Battery charging support | 19:48 |
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| qgil | did anybody take a clear picture of the Unconference shcedule - more readable than http://www.flickr.com/photos/martingrimme/5192178612/sizes/l/in/pool-1534110@N24/ ? | 19:49 |
| nuovodna | thanks sivang :) | 19:49 |
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| sivang | nuovodna: np :) | 19:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | qgil: hey, that's before i stuck my sticky up | 19:50 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: you came rather late in the sticking process ;) | 19:50 |
| mtameni | hi all, i want to build a lib for meego... i'm going to package it in rpm an then look for obs stuff... is it the right procedure? | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah well | 19:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it was up before i spoke! | 19:50 |
| sivang | hey qgil | 19:51 |
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| qgil | hi sivang | 19:51 |
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| WIIman | wow NASM was in add remove i thought i was going to have to build it lol | 19:54 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol good pic quim | 19:57 |
| WIIman | if ican get zsnes to see the ncurses stuff ill have a build lol | 19:58 |
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| marnanel | timeless_mbp: btw, http://people.collabora.co.uk/~tthurman/predictive/ may be an interesting prototype to play with | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo auke | 20:00 |
| * auke is NOT at work | 20:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: thanks | 20:00 |
| X-Fade | auke: Well, we aren't either ;) | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: can you teach it to guess the first letter of subsequent words? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | qgil, I got a clear straight on shot with ymb and the barcamp guy standing on either side :) http://liqbase.net/20101117_011.jpg | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | hopefully the writing is easier to read, I used it as a map whilst walking round so its not unusable | 20:01 |
| marnanel | timeless_mbp: certainly; I didn't put that in because I thought it would get annoying, but it was a specific exclusion, so easy to take out again | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i have my feet up at my desk, i'm not working either ;) | 20:01 |
| lcuk | tho ymb looks like an alien ghost just meterialising | 20:02 |
| lcuk | materialising | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: it's better to have everything in and decide to turn things off | 20:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | THIS IS A TEST OF SOME PREDICTION ALGORITHM | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | was what i typed | 20:02 |
| qgil | lcuk: OMG! is that thing at the top right of your picture an unknown MeeGo prototype leaked accidentally??? | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | n.b. not really as prefs, more you try something, see if things work, and decide not to ship certain bits if they're too awkward | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | qgil, oh crap | 20:03 |
| lcuk | lemme take photo down and reedit it | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: oh, and um... you need to offer punctuation | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: for now, please add: | 20:04 |
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| marnanel | timeless_mbp: it's not supposed to be an entire working solution yet! | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | [tab] [caps] [shift] <- left side | 20:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | ["["] ["]"] <- right side top row | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | [;] ['] <- right side middle row | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | [,] [.] < right side third row | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, [/] on that third row too | 20:06 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, wiki | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: etoomuchoverhead | 20:06 |
| lcuk | just c&p and clean silly lines for now :P | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | doing it | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | marnanel: hey, can i get you to mock up some other stuff too? :) | 20:08 |
| marnanel | :) | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | (like a calendar that works the way the w7 one works...) | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/ | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, fwiw, things not shown in the calendar pictures i have... | 20:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, thinking about a different way of displaying info in healthcheck, what do you think of something like this? (I'm sure you will get the gyst!) http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/x5cf953e/Selection_004.png | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | hold on, fighting with wiki | 20:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you drag/swipe left/right over the central area, it starts progressing in the appropriate direction | 20:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: see? :) | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: you need a DEG mark for temp | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and traditionally the C should be uppercase | 20:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | also "charge" isn't a wonderful word | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | further, 33c isn't helpful | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | a user needs to know what the valid range is for it | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | is 33c high, low, average, unsafe? | 20:12 |
| * lcuk thinks irc to wiki copy/paste would be very useful :) | 20:12 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:12 |
| lcuk | fwiw "* " is needed before each line | 20:13 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/Predictive_virtual_keyboard#2010-11-22 | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: logging into the wiki is EWAYTOOHARD | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | the login link takes me to the wrong page | 20:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | NooBmonk3y: i think '33c' would probably be interpreted as '33 cups' :) | 20:14 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: yes, wiki login is annoying | 20:14 |
| * NooBmonk3y thinks he will refrain from asking advice in here lol - was more asking for the look not the content, but thank you :) | 20:14 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, how the &*#$% do i tell wiki i'm logged in? | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | meego.com thinks i'm logged in | 20:14 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: it randomly EWORKSFORME | 20:15 |
| lcuk | i found out I am logged in and will not logout again | 20:15 |
| lcuk | I can never remember my password | 20:15 |
| sivang | lcuk: right, the trick is to save them cookies not! :-D | 20:15 |
| lcuk | sivang, mmmm bacon flavour cookies | 20:15 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yay! | 20:15 |
| sivang | lcuk: yummy | 20:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: sorry, i'm going to boycott the wiki today | 20:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | since it doesn't like me :) | 20:16 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: try tomorrow, it might like you better ;P | 20:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | sure | 20:17 |
| lcuk | buy it flowers | 20:17 |
| lcuk | it might forgive you | 20:17 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: it should have a feeding option like infobot has | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, marnanel likes writing sonnets | 20:18 |
| lcuk | perhaps you could sing one at it | 20:18 |
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| sivang | lcuk: could be good in the bandcamp BOF in next conference. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | sivang, ++ | 20:20 |
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| hhartz | riot: ping | 20:42 |
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| hhartz | riot: did you resolve your respawn + meego-power-ico issue? | 20:42 |
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| hhartz | any netbook guys around? | 20:44 |
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| riot | hhartz: no. But my android emulator works fine. | 20:47 |
| hhartz | riot: hah :) | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, i never considered battery temp before | 20:51 |
| CosmoHill | if it's not on fire, don't worry about it | 20:51 |
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| hhartz | nobody else seen the "INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled 5 minutes" issue? (in my case, rebooting or doing the firstlogin hack doesn't seem to take..) | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, but when I think of battery I see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok#t=0m5s | 20:53 |
| w00t | hhartz: a long long long time ago yes | 20:55 |
| w00t | I don't remember how I fixed it, tho | 20:55 |
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| hhartz | hm, I just build libmeegotouch and Qt, so re/installing has a significant cost :) | 20:55 |
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| rhkfin | Anyone have an idea why for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqpVP414WJo&feature=channel from July looks way much more finished than 1.1 or 1.1.80 I tried on N900.... | 20:56 |
| hena | kendopena?½. | 20:57 |
| hena | "oops" | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | rhkfin: grab the 'demo' image from tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 20:58 |
| rhkfin | Stskeeps: ah, ok, thanks. How does it relate to the trunk..? | 20:58 |
| w00t | hhartz: does X start if you run it yourself? | 20:59 |
| rhkfin | Or is the thing that Nokia has lots of unreleased code and this was a part of that? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | rhkfin: 1.1 + new SGX drivers, which dramatically improves the experience | 20:59 |
| hhartz | w00t: yeah, I can drop to console and startx, then try to run the firstboot script - but it didn't help | 20:59 |
| rhkfin | Stskeeps: ok.. | 20:59 |
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| w00t | hhartz: mm. nothing of note in logs? | 21:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :P | 21:01 |
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| mortenmj | any of you guys used the app_compliance tool_ | 21:03 |
| mortenmj | ? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, any word yet on when those patches will end up integrated? | 21:03 |
| hhartz | w00t: no, nothing as far as I can see | 21:04 |
| w00t | hhartz: :-/ | 21:04 |
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| w00t | I guess there is the mailing list, apart from that... | 21:04 |
| w00t | I wish I could remember what I did | 21:04 |
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| TrackerDPP | hello all ! | 21:11 |
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| zinit | anyone got a link to a good repo where I can find essential tools like wget, vlc, ftp, vim.... the one I saw on the forumthread (a russian I think). doesnt have those.. and is lacking dependencies from vlc | 21:33 |
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| andyross | wget and vim are in core (and of course wget or curl or various browsers make good ftp clients). Don't think anyone has packaged vlc. | 21:36 |
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| Kray | vlc... | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | :) thanks Stskeeps | 22:05 |
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| sivang | anybody has handy that blog post about enabling handset like gesture and touch on the betbook? | 22:18 |
| sivang | s/betbook/netbook/ | 22:19 |
| infobot | sivang meant: anybody has handy that blog post about enabling handset like gesture and touch on the netbook? | 22:19 |
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| Jaffa | sivang: http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ ? | 22:21 |
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| GAN900 | Unpossible. | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | Viewing angle is too poor. | 22:23 |
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| sivang | Jaffa: thank you, this is exactly it. | 22:24 |
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| zinit | weird issue here... trying to install the sdk, but it claims some dependency is not there... some toolkit dependency for meego-sdk-ia32 | 22:36 |
| zinit | getting an incredible amount of dependency problems when trying to install basic tools that should be on the repos... | 22:37 |
| zinit | (and are there according to the install manual for the sdk...) | 22:37 |
| lbt | Can I use the SDK on my AMD desktop ? | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: afaik, but not the intel qemu's | 22:39 |
| lbt | thanks; I'll starts a download :) | 22:40 |
| zinit | I'm trying to install under meego. | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | lbt, and if not, please file bugs | 22:42 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:42 |
| zinit | when I installed the sdk the first time it all worked, but after the reinstall I did last wednesday, now I got some serious dependency issues whenever I try to install anything.. | 22:42 |
| zinit | quite strange.. | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | zinit, the sdk images were reduced in volume and a number of packages were removed afaik | 22:43 |
| zinit | lcuk: that could explain it... dependencies missing all over the place here now | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | what like? | 22:43 |
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| zinit | trying to install vlc and there are missing dependencies, and several other programs | 22:44 |
| * lcuk had to install more to get libmeegotouch building in it | 22:44 | |
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| zinit | I see the programs are there, but I cant install since dependencies are not there | 22:44 |
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| * lcuk is thankful that sketches brought from high resolution digitizing tablet still render properly on ideapad | 22:46 | |
| lcuk | even if they cant be drawn there | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | if I got a resistive cover ontop of the screen on the ideapad, would the capacitive still work through it? | 22:47 |
| ali1234 | no | 22:48 |
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| Myrtti | work goddammit | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | ali1234, aww | 22:49 |
| smoku | BTW, if you want to get RMB on your ideapad see http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#Touchpad | 22:50 |
| lcuk | nice :) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i just learnt how to make it drag something | 22:51 |
| lcuk | but its only a single stroke | 22:51 |
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| ali1234 | what about left clicking? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | ali1234, left click is a tap anyway | 22:57 |
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| ali1234 | yeah but how to make the left corner button work? | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | same way? | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | but if you send down, up (tap), down, drag, up | 22:58 |
| lcuk | the drag part is a line | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | so you can do scrollbars etc | 22:58 |
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| ali1234 | what? | 22:58 |
| lcuk | you can use the trackpad for scrollbars | 22:58 |
| lcuk | if you do tap drag | 22:59 |
| lcuk | like a double click action | 22:59 |
| lcuk | but instead of lifting mouse button on second click, drag finger | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | you can just use the edge... like on all laptops ever... | 22:59 |
| lcuk | what about sideways | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | bottom edge usually | 22:59 |
| rob_w | so , someone link me those horrible poulsbo drivers or the word in that .. | 22:59 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: so, i've tried to clarify my slides | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and thanks, i never knew it did that :P | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | (there are now more holes in the slides, but..) | 23:00 |
| rob_w | i am a lucky winner having a pouslbo platform to get to fly | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | oh i get it, you're talking about tap and drag | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | that only works if you move the mouse over the scrollbar | 23:01 |
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| smoku | ali1234, same way just use LBCornerButton=1 | 23:10 |
| smoku | "synclient -l" for all options | 23:11 |
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