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| tripzero | you pretty much need to inherit from something that has a show() member function or you need to declare and implement a show() on your own | 00:03 |
| tripzero | niala, but realistically, MaPage really doesn't need to inherit from anything | 00:03 |
| tripzero | since you seem to be creating a window and page inside MaPage's constructor | 00:04 |
| tripzero | in that case, you don't need to call "show()" on MaPage | 00:04 |
| tripzero | so you can delete that line entirely | 00:04 |
| niala | ok | 00:05 |
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| CosmoHill | niala: qui est "RTÉ International"? | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | non | 00:16 |
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| CosmoHill | I really should have just googled it | 00:17 |
| CosmoHill | oh okay, I thought it was french because of the name but it's ireish | 00:17 |
| niala | CosmoHill: http://www.dzsat.org/forum/f40/rte-international-pour-bientot-27059.html irish tv that is ? | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | think it might be | 00:19 |
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| slaine | catch you all tomorrow | 00:27 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: if my simple meegotouch button don't work tomorrow night i ll never come back and i buy apple | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | niala: you won't...not when you see the price :p | 00:38 |
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| timoph | only tool 11h | 01:07 |
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| infobot | timoph meant: only took 11h | 01:08 |
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| CosmoHill | I've only ever had one high end computer and I'm still typing on it five years after I got it | 01:34 |
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| Darkmagister | hi, can i put the interface home interface of meego on my debian home pc ??? i like the myzone screen with appointments and task but i love my desktop computer can i add the myzone or the whole UI ??? i can find the source somewhere ?? | 01:38 |
| CosmoHill | the sources are in src.rpm format at repo.meego.com | 01:38 |
| Darkmagister | ok ... but the ui it's a new desktop manager or ... what ? :D | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 01:40 |
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| niala | not a trivial task | 01:42 |
| Darkmagister | ok thanks | 01:43 |
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| apol | does anybody know if i can find kde packages for the netbook version? | 01:47 |
| CosmoHill | nope, there is xfce tho | 01:48 |
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| mortenmj | how is writing an application in qt for meego different from writing that same application for e.g. ubuntu? | 02:11 |
| mortenmj | will i have to port my app if i want it to work on both? | 02:12 |
| tripzero | mortenmj, first, you need to consider which UX you want to have your qt app run in | 02:15 |
| tripzero | you can code a straight up qwidget based app for ubuntu, but it may not perform or look as desired when run in handset for example | 02:16 |
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| tripzero | in other words, there are many considerations to take when doing a desktop vs handset or desktop vs automotive application | 02:17 |
| tripzero | lesser with desktop vs netbook | 02:17 |
| mortenmj | right | 02:18 |
| mortenmj | i intend to use qml and qt. that allows me to use the same logic, and only swap out the qml when i move between meego for netbook and meego for handset, right? | 02:19 |
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| tripzero | right. the best think I've found to do is to any backend logic in c++ and keep the UI separate | 02:21 |
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| tripzero | with QML, the frontend logic become much easier to manage | 02:21 |
| tripzero | s/become/becomes/ | 02:21 |
| mortenmj | yeah, that's what i had in mind | 02:22 |
| infobot | tripzero meant: with QML, the frontend logic becomes much easier to manage | 02:22 |
| mortenmj | front end in qml, and back end in qt | 02:22 |
| tripzero | excellent! :) | 02:22 |
| mortenmj | i mean, worst case, there is some back end logic that i simply don't use in the handheld version (which might be more minimalistic) | 02:22 |
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| chriadam | mortenmj: well, if you're doing MeeGo handset UX application development, you have to consider things like power usage far more than on desktop Ubuntu for example | 02:23 |
| mortenmj | tripzero: so, are there special libraries or other things that are specific to meego, that i need to know about? | 02:23 |
| tripzero | qt, qt-mobility are the big ones | 02:24 |
| tripzero | but they aren't specific only to meego | 02:24 |
| mortenmj | splendid | 02:25 |
| mortenmj | then i believe i'm on top of things | 02:25 |
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| mortenmj | qml is new to me, but it doesn't look hard | 02:25 |
| apol | is there any possibility to use any other distro rpm's with meego? (i want kde) | 02:25 |
| mortenmj | it certainly was the buzzword du jour at the conference ^^ | 02:25 |
| tripzero | it is possible that your app may need to do other things that are kinda specific to meego (alarms comes to mine). But that depends on what your app needs to do | 02:26 |
| tripzero | qml is quite yummy. I've been having fun with it | 02:26 |
| tripzero | apol, no, that's a bad idea | 02:26 |
| mortenmj | tripzero: did you have to build qt 4.7.1 or did you find binaries somewhere? | 02:26 |
| tripzero | it may be possible, but it's bound to cause issues at some point | 02:26 |
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| apol | tripzero: hm... -.- | 02:27 |
| apol | is there any easy tutorial on how to create packages? | 02:27 |
| tripzero | mortenmj, i develop with what my distro provides (iirc, ubuntu 10.10 has qt 4.7.1) | 02:27 |
| mortenmj | it doesn't | 02:27 |
| tripzero | if you live on meego trunk, you will also have the latest | 02:28 |
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| tripzero | then 10.10 has 4.7.0, which is okay | 02:28 |
| mortenmj | it has 4.7.0, yeah | 02:28 |
| tripzero | the .1 is just a bugfix version. and I haven't had the need for those fixes as of yet | 02:28 |
| mortenmj | which is okay, but there are some neat things in 4.7.1 | 02:28 |
| tripzero | oh? | 02:29 |
| mortenmj | very minor i suppose | 02:29 |
| tripzero | maybe i'm missing out... | 02:29 |
| mortenmj | most tutorials ask you to "import QtQuick 1.0", which only works in 4.7.1 | 02:29 |
| mortenmj | but i don't think it really matters | 02:29 |
| tripzero | oh, hrm | 02:29 |
| tripzero | i've always considered those examples to be out of date | 02:29 |
| mortenmj | just "import Qt 4.7" seems to do the same, as far as i've noticed | 02:29 |
| tripzero | :nod: | 02:29 |
| mortenmj | the tutorials are kinda crap to be honest | 02:29 |
| tripzero | needs improvement, that's for sure | 02:30 |
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| mortenmj | tripzero: were you at the conf? | 02:31 |
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| tripzero | negative. I had too much to do here to go :( | 02:31 |
| mortenmj | tripzero: too bad :( | 02:37 |
| chriadam | actually, a couple of good tutorials for Qt QUICK is probably a prime contribution candidate, if someone is willing to write one and contribute it back to Qt :-) | 02:37 |
| mortenmj | anyway, thanks for your help. time to grab the sdk, set up creator and get to work | 02:37 |
| mortenmj | did i mention that i love the new fiber uplink i've got at home? 200mb toolchain took all of 90 seconds to download | 02:38 |
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| mortenmj | stupid wifi limiting my download speed | 02:39 |
| tripzero | lol | 02:41 |
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| mortenmj | tripzero: at http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes it says to install one of the ia32 runtimes. how does that make sense given that the n900 runs arm? | 02:48 |
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| WIIman | app depentancies can be like that | 02:52 |
| WIIman | it may work with out it | 02:52 |
| tripzero | mortenmj, i think you can just replace the "ia32" with whatever arch you are running | 02:52 |
| tripzero | for example, use qemu-n900-pr12 as your runtime instead of meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime | 02:54 |
| tripzero | i haven't tried the sdk yet so i'm unsure | 02:55 |
| tripzero | my development currently consists of: develop on desktop, build package, test on target device | 02:55 |
| mortenmj | i tried, but it failed | 02:55 |
| mortenmj | only worked for the ia32 archs | 02:56 |
| tripzero | hmm | 02:56 |
| mortenmj | normally that's my style as well, but i figured i'd try this | 02:56 |
| mortenmj | qt creator is allegedly awesome | 02:56 |
| tripzero | yeah, i want to give it a try | 02:56 |
| mortenmj | according to the prople in #qt, who aren't biased at all | 02:56 |
| tripzero | lol | 02:56 |
| tripzero | i use qt creator on my desktop | 02:56 |
| tripzero | it is quite the awesome | 02:56 |
| tripzero | but the sdk has "extra features" that i wouldn't mind trying | 02:57 |
| mortenmj | such as? | 02:57 |
| tripzero | such as the maemo and meego device configurations | 02:58 |
| tripzero | those aren't in my distro's qt creator | 02:58 |
| mortenmj | neat | 02:58 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:00 |
| kapr | Where can I find out meego source code? | 03:00 |
| CosmoHill | repo.meego.com in src.rpm format | 03:01 |
| kapr | but what I get is user libraries | 03:01 |
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| kapr | I want the middle layer stuff like opengl and mesa | 03:01 |
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| CosmoHill | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/repos/source/ | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | it's somewhere in there | 03:03 |
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| chriadam | there's also the gitorious repos like http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware etc | 03:03 |
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| kapr | <Cosmo Hill> i have downloaded all of these but ...i dnt get middleware in it | 03:04 |
| kapr | thats all user libs | 03:04 |
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| kapr | @chieadam : can you point me to the place where I can find the OpenGL libs | 03:07 |
| kapr | for meegfo | 03:07 |
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| mortenmj | hi, i'm the qt creator options window. i can't be fullscreened, and i'm too big for your monitor. good luck finding my apply and okay buttons, teehee! | 03:08 |
| chriadam | kapr: not really, not sure where they are I'm sorry | 03:10 |
| mgoddard|nok | mortenmj: running it on device? :) | 03:10 |
| mortenmj | mgoddard|nok: netbook, yeah | 03:11 |
| kapr | yes | 03:11 |
| mortenmj | it can't be fullscreened, has no scrollbar, and the lower row of buttons is *just* outside the screen | 03:11 |
| kapr | bye | 03:11 |
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| mortenmj | mgoddard|nok: what exactly can i do in that situation? | 03:13 |
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| mgoddard|nok | ooh, pain. hmm, what platform? sometimes keyboard shortcuts for moving the window | 03:13 |
| mgoddard|nok | or shortcuts for the buttons I guess | 03:13 |
| mortenmj | funny thing is i can move it down out of the screen, but not up | 03:14 |
| mortenmj | so the bottom part can be outside, but not the top | 03:14 |
| mgoddard|nok | urf. alt+o (for ok) might work (on linux) | 03:14 |
| mortenmj | ah, with alt click it can be! | 03:14 |
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| thebootroo | tripzero: ping ! | 04:03 |
| lolloo | what does that do? | 04:04 |
| thebootroo | wut ? | 04:04 |
| lolloo | ping ! | 04:05 |
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| lolloo | is it irc command? | 04:05 |
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| thebootroo | hum | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | no, irc commands all begin with / | 04:05 |
| lolloo | awesome thanks | 04:06 |
| lolloo | \ping | 04:06 |
| thebootroo | with the syntax 'user: ' you just wizz a man | 04:06 |
| lolloo | oops | 04:06 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 04:06 |
| lolloo | fail | 04:06 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: if a do this, your irc client must ring | 04:06 |
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| lolloo | awesome | 04:06 |
| lolloo | uthebootroo: pig | 04:07 |
| lolloo | ooops | 04:07 |
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| lolloo | hehehe sorry | 04:07 |
| thebootroo | but basically its a geek way to say a_man: hello are you there | 04:07 |
| lolloo | ahaaa | 04:07 |
| lolloo | thebootroo: ping | 04:07 |
| lolloo | thebootroo: /ping | 04:07 |
| thebootroo | the username must start at the first char and being followed by ':' without space and then whatever you xant | 04:08 |
| thebootroo | *want | 04:08 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: this ping you too | 04:08 |
| lolloo | nice! | 04:08 |
| thebootroo | and that too : | 04:08 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: | 04:08 |
| lolloo | thebootroo: hello | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | actually most clients will alert user if anyone mentions their exact nick | 04:09 |
| lolloo | am using xcht | 04:09 |
| lolloo | xchat* | 04:09 |
| lolloo | awesome | 04:09 |
| * thebootroo uses Empathy | 04:09 | |
| * lolloo happy | 04:09 | |
| lolloo | hehehe | 04:10 |
| * thebootroo developping its own full qt multiprotocol client too | 04:10 | |
| lolloo | wow | 04:10 |
| ali1234 | empathy still sucks for irc :( | 04:10 |
| lolloo | I would like to see it | 04:10 |
| thebootroo | yes somtimes | 04:10 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: not finished at the moment, doesnt support IRC, just XMPP (so Gtalk, jabber and facebook chat) | 04:10 |
| thebootroo | it's plugin based (using Qt Plugins framework) | 04:11 |
| lolloo | does it support file transfer? | 04:11 |
| thebootroo | not yet | 04:11 |
| lolloo | Qt is awesome | 04:11 |
| lolloo | will it work on Meego? | 04:11 |
| lolloo | that would be awesome | 04:12 |
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| thebootroo | maybe but interface will not fit at all since its heavily customized for my own desktop | 04:12 |
| lolloo | wow I would like to learn how to program using Qt, is there any books or reference yo would like to provide for me thebootroo | 04:13 |
| lolloo | I like C++ | 04:13 |
| thebootroo | no need books, but what is your mother's language ? | 04:14 |
| thebootroo | are you english speaker or other ? | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | qt comes with loads of examples | 04:14 |
| lolloo | arabic but am good with english | 04:14 |
| thebootroo | ok | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | as long as you know C, just get qt creator (eg nokia sdk) and just start trying to build something | 04:14 |
| lolloo | yes I downloaded the SDK for MeeGo but it's pain in the butt to install | 04:15 |
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| ali1234 | dont get meego sdk, get nokia qt sdk | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | it'smuch much easier to use | 04:15 |
| lolloo | wow never knew they had one | 04:15 |
| thebootroo | so download the qt nokia sdk on qt website then launch the first tutorial (adress book if i remember) and if you know C++ you must not have hard times | 04:15 |
| lolloo | awesome, | 04:15 |
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| ali1234 | the only downside is you can't target meego with nokia sdk yet | 04:16 |
| lolloo | one question I dont mean to bother you guys, but will it run on MeeGo? | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | but learn one thing at a time :) | 04:16 |
| lolloo | oops | 04:16 |
| thebootroo | ali1234: u r tru 4 meego sdk : i can't even use it coz of my non-KVM pc | 04:16 |
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| lolloo | alright, fair enough | 04:16 |
| ali1234 | you can build stuff for the simulators and for your local desktop machine using the nokia sdk | 04:16 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: u must learn plain Qt before MTF, cause it uses same principles | 04:17 |
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| thebootroo | ali1234: no, cause the emulator uses Qemu, which need KVM processor support, which i don't have on my C2D T5800 | 04:17 |
| lolloo | awesome info | 04:17 |
| ali1234 | the device emulator in the nokia qt sdk doesn't need qemu, it uses just themeing. it's less accurate of course | 04:18 |
| thebootroo | ali1234: exuz me i though u were speakin of running meego sdk bootstraps | 04:18 |
| thebootroo | yes if you speak of simulator (which suxx) its ok | 04:19 |
| ali1234 | no no, i'm saying if you just want to learn qt, use the nokia sdk, cos it's way easier to set up | 04:19 |
| ali1234 | once you learned qt, then try the meego stuff | 04:19 |
| lolloo | alright, | 04:19 |
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| lolloo | Meego supports Qt | 04:19 |
| ali1234 | yes, so anything you develop using the nokia sdk can be easily ported... that's kind of the point of meego | 04:20 |
| lolloo | wow awesome | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | some day soon the nokia sdk should have meego as a target | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | it just isn't quite ready yet | 04:20 |
| thebootroo | yes but in practice the plain Qt apps are fucked off, at least on handset ux, hopin this will be fixed soon | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | i dare say by the time you have learned qt, it will be ready | 04:20 |
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| ali1234 | yeah that's a good point | 04:21 |
| ali1234 | but... the alternatives are still up in the air too | 04:21 |
| ali1234 | and the basic ideas are the same | 04:21 |
| thebootroo | yup | 04:21 |
| zr0 | has qt mobility made its way to the handset ux? | 04:22 |
| thebootroo | AFAIK yes at least in part | 04:22 |
| lolloo | I hope it supports windows 7 64 | 04:23 |
| thebootroo | who uses W764 for linux dev ? | 04:23 |
| lolloo | that's me | 04:23 |
| thebootroo | you know meego is linux ? | 04:23 |
| ljp | qt mobility won't fully support meego unti; mobility version 1.2 is released | 04:24 |
| lolloo | yes I do unfortunately | 04:24 |
| thebootroo | so dev on it is so easy using tools like Qemu, Chroot, SSH, GCC (all linux tools, without windows possibility) | 04:24 |
| lolloo | I had hard time using virtual machine | 04:24 |
| lolloo | I Installed Ubuntu 10 | 04:25 |
| lolloo | but still I have problems to solve | 04:25 |
| thebootroo | lolloo: i suggest you dual booting an easy linux version like ubuntu beside your windoz and use it for (Qt) (MeeGo) Dev | 04:25 |
| ali1234 | if your goal is just to learn qt you dont need any special tools, just llearn qt for desktop first | 04:25 |
| thebootroo | dont use virtual machine | 04:25 |
| lolloo | alright. | 04:26 |
| ali1234 | you can even klearn qt desktop style using windows since nokia sdk runs there | 04:26 |
| thebootroo | use plain dual boot install | 04:26 |
| Moult | hey all, completely new to meego- just a few vague questions: i know meego is immature, but is there an expected "good for commercial shipping" release date for the mobile version? and i know meego is linux, but is it based on a specific distro? | 04:26 |
| thebootroo | april 2011 | 04:26 |
| thebootroo | meego 1.2 | 04:26 |
| ali1234 | Moult: meego is not based on any distro | 04:26 |
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| thebootroo | technically meego is near of fedora (same components) but meego is build from scratch | 04:27 |
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| lolloo | wow | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | that mandatory to get a fully optimized thing | 04:27 |
| Moult | ah, so fresh package management tools as well? | 04:27 |
| ali1234 | it uses RPM i that's what you mean | 04:27 |
| Moult | oh, so not fresh :) | 04:28 |
| lolloo | wow Meego is GGRRRREAT | 04:28 |
| niala | about qt why my slot don't work? noo error on compil but : Object::connect: No such slot QApplication::monSlot() in ../learn00/MaFenetre.cpp:12 Object::connect: (receiver name: 'sans_titre3') http://pastebin.com/KKtuYk88 | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | but it's not going to by synced to any particular distro | 04:28 |
| thebootroo | no afaik it uses Zypper, with rpm packages | 04:28 |
| Moult | ali1234: yeah | 04:28 |
| thebootroo | niala: i'm lookin | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | unlike eg ubuntu which syncs to debian for each release | 04:28 |
| Moult | how transparent is meego in terms of its "linuxness"? will it try to hide it or will it remain open? | 04:28 |
| ali1234 | meego is supposed to be 100% open | 04:29 |
| ali1234 | what ends up on manufacturer's devices is a different question | 04:29 |
| ali1234 | supposedly they can add, but not take away from, meego core functionality | 04:29 |
| Moult | niice. is it possible for me to demo both the netbook and mobile versions on any old laptop? | 04:29 |
| lolloo | Linux rulez | 04:29 |
| ali1234 | you can run both the netbook and handset image on various atom netbooks, yes | 04:29 |
| thebootroo | niala: you must not use qApp for connecting a slot | 04:29 |
| niala | thebootroo: hello, how are you, and your project | 04:30 |
| ali1234 | you can't install them both at once, at least not easily | 04:30 |
| ali1234 | but you can make two boootable usb drives | 04:30 |
| niala | i ve try ' this ' to | 04:30 |
| thebootroo | cause you're not sure the current QApplication have it and ever more, qt doesnt know it at compling time | 04:30 |
| ali1234 | but handset is still very very far from usable | 04:30 |
| thebootroo | niala: my project is going on, like alway, slower but it goe | 04:31 |
| Moult | ali1234: no, i don't want to overwrite the current os on it, just perhaps run it as an emulator? (and i've not got any atom netbooks) | 04:31 |
| ali1234 | you can boot it from a usb flashdrive | 04:32 |
| thebootroo | Moult: you can't demos meego from OLD laptop since it needs a processors that supports SSSE3 (with 3 's') so only recent Pentium E, CD2 and Atoms | 04:32 |
| Moult | i've got and x64, will that work? | 04:32 |
| thebootroo | no matters, just need SSSE3 | 04:32 |
| thebootroo | and you can't emulate it | 04:32 |
| ali1234 | if it's intel and newer then core 2 then it will work | 04:33 |
| ali1234 | no amd has ssse3 unfortunately | 04:33 |
| ali1234 | however given recent events, maybe that will change | 04:33 |
| thebootroo | its a processor instruction from intel very recent | 04:33 |
| niala | thebootroo: lol i cannot do a simple button wich load an url :) but if i suppr my Slot and replace by quit that works | 04:33 |
| thebootroo | ali1234: hope you r tru about that | 04:33 |
| lolloo | ali1234: yeah AMD is going for MeeGo | 04:33 |
| thebootroo | niala: cause all QApplication isntace HAVE the quit qlot | 04:34 |
| WIIman | wouldn't developing on a netbook be more sutable since it is usualy full intel suported hardware ? | 04:34 |
| ali1234 | yeah hopefully amd will put some resources to a generic and/or amd optimised version of meego | 04:34 |
| thebootroo | *slot | 04:34 |
| ali1234 | WIIman: yeah... but developing on a netbook is not fun | 04:34 |
| thebootroo | niala: but all QApplication instance doesn't have your custom slot | 04:34 |
| ali1234 | i'd rather be debugging on a 4 core 3 ghz machine with 16 gb of rm, than some netbook | 04:34 |
| Termana | ali1234, AMD's newer processors will support SSSE3 | 04:34 |
| niala | Moult: http://blogs.amd.com/press/2010/11/15/amd-joins-meego-linux-open-source-linux-project-for-next-generation-mobile-embedded-platforms/ | 04:34 |
| ali1234 | Termana: damn. tht's not much help to me, since i have a current amd processor | 04:35 |
| thebootroo | niala: and if you have custom slot, your QApp is a subclass of QApplication, but qApp cast to QApplication so losin you custon slot | 04:35 |
| WIIman | i realise netbooks are not best suted for dev but at the same time they have the nessisarry hardware for the dev to in synk with the distro | 04:35 |
| thebootroo | niala: use a trick with this->parent instead | 04:35 |
| WIIman | since more powerfull box arnt suported yet | 04:36 |
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| ali1234 | WIIman: yeah you basically need your target hardware and also a nice fast workstation, to do serious dev. unfortunately at the moment they *both* have too be recent intel | 04:36 |
| thebootroo | niala: assuming you have you app in parent | 04:36 |
| thebootroo | niala: fuck i'm a big nnoob too : missed that | 04:36 |
| thebootroo | niala: your slot is not in the app | 04:37 |
| WIIman | i have sucsessfuly build a standard linux kernel on my dell mini 10 1012 wich gives me the impression it would work for dev | 04:37 |
| thebootroo | niala: it's in your maFenetre (tiens t'es français aussi ?) | 04:37 |
| ali1234 | sure you can do everything on a netbook if you are patient :) | 04:37 |
| thebootroo | niala: so just use 'this' instead of 'qApp' | 04:37 |
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| WIIman | i just wish i knew qt i would love to get more apps to meego its so nice for netbooks | 04:38 |
| ali1234 | qt is a really nice sdk for just about everything | 04:39 |
| niala | thebootroo: i have begin by that | 04:39 |
| thebootroo | niala: and ? | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | just learn qt for whatever you have first | 04:39 |
| ali1234 | the techniques do not really change between platforms | 04:39 |
| niala | nothing | 04:40 |
| WIIman | i see meego going far . so much talk on the net about it and high hopes for its future | 04:40 |
| thebootroo | niala: it doesn't compile ? | 04:40 |
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| vicarious- | Hi, I'm a bit confused about Meego...can some kind person field a few basic questions about meego? | 04:41 |
| niala | thebootroo: output compil: make: quittant le répertoire « /home/niala/qt/learn00-build-desktop » Le processus "/usr/bin/make" s'est terminé normalement. | 04:41 |
| thebootroo | niala: ben alor c'est bon | 04:42 |
| vicarious- | Since the advent of Android, I have to ask regarding Meego: why? | 04:42 |
| vicarious- | isn't it just reinventing the wheel? | 04:42 |
| ali1234 | android is not meant for tablets, STBs, fridges, etc | 04:42 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: no | 04:42 |
| ljp | isnt android just reinventing the wheel? | 04:42 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: android doesn't use C++ Qt but Java | 04:43 |
| ali1234 | android is just for phones... meego has a MUCh wider scope | 04:43 |
| WIIman | i dont think so the ui is amasing | 04:43 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: so really heavier | 04:43 |
| WIIman | and the suport from intell n okia amd so on helps to | 04:43 |
| vicarious- | pardon: but android has already moved to the tablet platform | 04:43 |
| niala | thebootroo: the button is here but he does nothing | 04:43 |
| ali1234 | vicarious-: no by google's choice | 04:43 |
| vicarious- | ok, so let me back up...how is Meego different than Android? | 04:44 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: google himself said in its actual version android is not meant for tablet even if its works | 04:44 |
| thebootroo | niala: après ce le code de ton slot qui est pourri, je te le corrige et je le renvoie ok | 04:45 |
| WIIman | meego is more flexable than android runs on mmore devices by desine | 04:45 |
| ali1234 | all the android tablets and netbooks out there suck | 04:45 |
| ali1234 | and none of them have the app store cos they are all nasty hacks | 04:45 |
| * lolloo agrees | 04:45 | |
| ali1234 | afaik | 04:45 |
| niala | thebootroo: si je le met pas en slot ca fonctionne et ca eteind bien la freebox. mais en fonction/slot ca marche plus | 04:45 |
| thebootroo | niala: ton code est inexact donc il ne peut marcher qu'une fois à la rigueur | 04:46 |
| lolloo | oh oh | 04:46 |
| thebootroo | niala: corrigé : http://pastebin.com/6LKAi8sD | 04:48 |
| WIIman | the interface for meego and bfore moblin is outstanding maks useing my netbook so fun and functionable , that ui and the fact it still linux wiith official drivers for the targeted hardware makes meego greaqt | 04:49 |
| vicarious- | Okay, so you seem to be saying that the main difference between Meego and Android is that Meego is designed to run on more platforms than just phones, correct? | 04:50 |
| lolloo | www.Meego.com | 04:51 |
| WIIman | there is that | 04:51 |
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| WIIman | and it has actual hadware vender s behind it | 04:51 |
| nhg | anyone attended the meego conference this week? | 04:51 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: and MeeGo is REALLY fully open, based on linux standard, instead of a whole home made java machine | 04:51 |
| WIIman | so it will work on their hardware by desine | 04:52 |
| nhg | wonder when those Lenovo netbooks given to Meego conf participants will be shipped out... | 04:53 |
| WIIman | i still want to call meego moblin as it run so much like moblin and has the full suport and backing by intell something no other linux has | 04:53 |
| vicarious- | so is Meego essentialy a new (or another) linux distro? | 04:53 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: not really a distro but a linux based OS for all usages | 04:54 |
| vicarious- | thebootroo: sorry, help me understand please, why isn't it considered a distro? | 04:54 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: and more than just the os, there are the ideas, the design , the people, the community .... | 04:54 |
| zr0 | mmm, i would call meego a distro | 04:55 |
| zr0 | targeted at embedded systems with rich ui | 04:55 |
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| thebootroo | vicarious-: for my part i dont call it reallt Yet Another Distro, cause all the stack are getting shacked to remove dust of all old versions of linux | 04:55 |
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| WIIman | it doesnt feel like you average distro were it not for the linux kerenl it wouldnt be | 04:56 |
| thebootroo | it uses linux kernel | 04:56 |
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| thebootroo | but i dont call android or mac os a distro but a linux based os | 04:57 |
| WIIman | thats how i see meego | 04:57 |
| thebootroo | at the moment meego uses linux standard stacks (appart for the compositor) | 04:57 |
| WIIman | a linux based OS | 04:57 |
| niala | thebootroo: sorry et c etrange le bouton ne clic plus | 04:57 |
| thebootroo | but it may change by need | 04:57 |
| thebootroo | niala: pas de message dans le debug ? | 04:58 |
| thebootroo | du genre pas de slot machin truc ? | 04:58 |
| thebootroo | niala: au pire traitons ca the #qt-fr j'y suis aussi | 04:58 |
| vicarious- | what is moblin and maemo in relation to meego? | 04:59 |
| WIIman | meego IS moblin and maemo | 04:59 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: two former oses (moblin for netbook from intel and maemo from tablets from nokia which i own) which had been merged 6 months ago to base the meego project | 04:59 |
| thebootroo | so meego targets netbook, tablet, but also phones (that maemo did quite wrong) and even gps, automotive , web tv.... | 05:00 |
| WIIman | and connected tvs to | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | (my last one) | 05:01 |
| vicarious- | is it designed to be used on touchscreen devices? | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | mainly | 05:01 |
| WIIman | yes | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | but overall | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | its optimized for finger | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | to get better than symbian | 05:01 |
| thebootroo | which is more stylus oriented | 05:02 |
| thebootroo | but the meego part which is really finger friendly is MeeGo Touch Framework, tha the current netbook edition doesn't use AFAIK | 05:02 |
| WIIman | touch compatablity can be installed through pkg manger | 05:04 |
| thebootroo | WIIman: o rly ? | 05:04 |
| WIIman | mangae apps or whatever its called | 05:04 |
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| WIIman | i saw in repo i think | 05:04 |
| vicarious- | uhh, reading the faq, and I'm at a wtf spot: Q Will MeeGo use telepathy? | 05:04 |
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| vicarious- | Yes. MeeGo will use telepathy. | 05:04 |
| thebootroo | WIIman: u mean be able of running MTF apps on it on actually modding the whole UX to finger size ? | 05:05 |
| vicarious- | telepathy? | 05:05 |
| vicarious- | is that a joke or something? | 05:05 |
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| WIIman | it least thats what it looked like to be available if not nativly sertainlly after enableing comunity repo | 05:06 |
| WIIman | but i was in a repo | 05:06 |
| WIIman | i dont have a touch screen so i dint install the apps | 05:07 |
| niala | vicarious-: even telepathy-butterfly | 05:08 |
| vicarious- | Meego will use telepathy!?!?! | 05:08 |
| vicarious- | niala: huh? | 05:08 |
| vicarious- | telepathy? like ESP? | 05:08 |
| niala | esp ? | 05:09 |
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| vicarious- | Extra Sensory Perception aka Magic | 05:10 |
| vicarious- | okay, perhaps I should rephrase my question: what is telepathy in this context? | 05:10 |
| vicarious- | is it a technology or something? | 05:11 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: telepathy is a linux standar stack for multiprotocol messaging | 05:12 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: basically it uses tubes over dbus for makin different plugin worklin together | 05:12 |
| thebootroo | vicarious-: if you uses a distro like Ubuntu, u have the apps 'Empathy' which uses telepathy as backend for supporting many protocols | 05:13 |
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| vicarious- | I see, thank you | 05:18 |
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| lcuk | :) @ #MeeGoConf | 05:56 |
| niala | lcuk: you're back good travel ? | 05:57 |
| lcuk | yes, smooth and easy, but my sleep pattern is messed up, I had a headache this morning before traveling | 05:58 |
| lcuk | had lunch with some colleagues and leinir before heading off for a simple flight | 05:58 |
| niala | headache, the guiness wasgood :) | 05:58 |
| lcuk | the headache was related to my room location, the sunlight made it warm and the window would not open far enough to cool it | 05:59 |
| niala | oh well, that's not nice | 05:59 |
| lcuk | i am somewhat exhausted, but read some really nice reports already and been compiling some lists of things the netbook has | 06:00 |
| lcuk | i will post it to the wiki actually | 06:01 |
| lcuk | others can fill in bits from it | 06:01 |
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| niala | night | 06:40 |
| lcuk | is it possible to play werewolf online do you think? what would the digital rules be. | 06:40 |
| lcuk | gnite | 06:40 |
| lcuk | using a graphical interface and an irc channel or IM channels | 06:41 |
| niala | 5h40 i ll sleep 2days | 06:41 |
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| lcuk | haha | 06:41 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 06:58 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I can no longer find the Wiki page for posting notes from the Conference BoF sessions. Anyone? | 06:59 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, \o hi, i was making a bunch of notes earlier on my ideapad about the current ux and oddities | 07:00 |
| lcuk | but i fail at logging into wiki and pasting | 07:01 |
| lcuk | (i got sidetracked adding a new item to it which occured when I opened the browser) | 07:01 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, how was your walk, did you get caught in the rain? | 07:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | On Weds I saw the official BoF/unconference wiki page where the notes were to be posted but now that I've typed my notes, I can't seem to find it again. | 07:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, we sure did get soaked in the rain, but we (Heikke and Mats and I) had a fine dinner at the Blarney Inn and a pleasant walk to downtown at least. | 07:02 |
| lcuk | :) cool | 07:03 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, on wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference there is a session notes one with example and harware hacking session listed | 07:06 |
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| WIIman | im building weechat :) | 07:16 |
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| vicarious- | is there a meego iso I can download? or perhaps a pre-built meego vm that I can download? | 07:31 |
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| glunardi | @vicarious-: http://meego.com/downloads | 07:33 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | lcuk, there was a page with the BoF schedule that I believe the notes were to be added to, but it seems to have gone missing. Thanks anyway though. | 07:35 |
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| iekku | huomenta | 07:45 |
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| tkeisala | huomenta | 07:53 |
| vicarious- | yes, I'm on the download web page, but where can I download an iso or vm? | 07:54 |
| iekku | uh, wrong channel, sorry I used finnish | 07:54 |
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| yctv | Hi .. iam trying to add a Meego device configuration but when i test it for my local machine it keeps saying no Qt packages found . What should i do? | 08:01 |
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| lcuk | leinir, spyro, http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml | 08:02 |
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| vicarious- | is the .img file the same as an .iso file? | 08:12 |
| mgoddard|nok | lcuk: hehe | 08:15 |
| glunardi | @vicarious-: pretty much... http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 08:16 |
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| vicarious- | no, I can't create a vm with a .img file. I need an .iso file | 08:23 |
| vicarious- | how do I get an .iso of meego? | 08:25 |
| tomma | if that img is not iso then you need to convert it | 08:25 |
| vicarious- | how do I convert it? | 08:26 |
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| vicarious- | oh I found a tool to do it | 08:30 |
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| erani | is there a way to see kernel logs from a previous session? i have an odd freezing issue that occurs with no reason when in the os, and I'd like to find out why it happens | 08:34 |
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| Bostik | no need to convert, just rename to another extension | 08:35 |
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| dm8tbr | erani: if your device freezes it's unlikely that the panic is written off to disk. you could try a (serial) console | 09:03 |
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| erani | dm8tbr: ok. how do I do that? | 09:38 |
| * erani is yet unfamiliar with these things | 09:39 | |
| dm8tbr | erani: does your device have a hardware serial port? | 09:39 |
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| erani | unfortunately, no. is it possible with an USB to RS-232 adapter? | 09:48 |
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| zEeLi | Hey guys. Where is my app supposed to save its data? I mean, does Meego use freedesktop.org standards, like $XDG_DATA_HOME etc.? | 09:56 |
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| dm8tbr | erani: I don't think so. I've never used kernel console over network, you could look into that if you can connect ethernet. | 09:59 |
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| erani | dm8tbr: ok, thanks. I'll try to look into it this weekend | 10:12 |
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| vicarious- | I need help! I'm having a problem trying to install meego 1.1 | 10:50 |
| vicarious- | I'm trying to install it as a vm running in vmware workstation on a pentium m 2.25GHz laptop | 10:51 |
| vicarious- | I get through most of the install | 10:51 |
| vicarious- | the last page of the install I got to was the one where you enter your username and password | 10:51 |
| vicarious- | I clicked on the forward button and I get a blank black screen and nothing happens | 10:52 |
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| vicarious- | any suggestions/ideos? | 10:52 |
| vicarious- | oops: ideos = ideas | 10:52 |
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| [Steven_M] | hi all | 10:56 |
| vicarious- | hi, can you help me? | 10:56 |
| vicarious- | [08:50]<vicarious->I need help! I'm having a problem trying to install meego 1.1 | 10:56 |
| vicarious- | [08:51]<vicarious->I'm trying to install it as a vm running in vmware workstation on a pentium m 2.25GHz laptop | 10:56 |
| vicarious- | [08:51]<vicarious->I get through most of the install | 10:56 |
| vicarious- | [08:51]<vicarious->the last page of the install I got to was the one where you enter your username and password | 10:57 |
| vicarious- | [08:52]<vicarious->I clicked on the forward button and I get a blank black screen and nothing happens | 10:57 |
| vicarious- | [08:52]<vicarious->any suggestions/ideas? | 10:57 |
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| [Steven_M] | Can you run popular GNU Apps on meego such as claws-mail and pidgin? | 10:58 |
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| Myrtti | [Steven_M]: well, atleast on Maemo that was possible | 11:02 |
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| Myrtti | [Steven_M]: so I doubt it's too difficult to get them working on MeeGo either | 11:03 |
| [Steven_M] | Myrtti: what's maemo? | 11:04 |
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| Myrtti | [Steven_M]: the internet tablet/phone operating system developed by Nokia in 2004-2010 that was later merged with Moblin to be MeeGo | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | (by Nokia and open source contributors of several projects) | 11:05 |
| Myrtti | it does show I just woke up, sorry | 11:05 |
| * Myrtti goes to make first batch of tea of the day | 11:06 | |
| [Steven_M] | Myrtti: ahh ok, I'm a smart phone newbie. | 11:07 |
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| Myrtti | and I'm a netbook newbie, in fact I still don't have one :-) | 11:09 |
| * RST38h yawns, then moos | 11:09 | |
| jani | Is there any specific community group for meego q&a stuff ? | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | jani: other than #meego-qa and the mailing list? | 11:13 |
| [Steven_M] | is meego GNU/Linux? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | [Steven_M]: yes, has a gnu userland | 11:13 |
| jani | Myrtti: whats the mailing list host? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | lists.meego.com | 11:14 |
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| [Steven_M] | Stskeeps: thanks. | 11:14 |
| Myrtti | jani: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-qa | 11:14 |
| jani | thanks | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: you should have come to DUB | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | then you'd have a netbook, like me :) | 11:15 |
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| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: thanks for rubbing it in | 11:15 |
| [Steven_M] | As a Linux fan I am torn between buying an Android phone and waiting for a GNU/Linux smart phone to come out. | 11:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: any time :) | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: actually | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have time and want to play | 11:16 |
| yctv | can anyone help me with meego device configuration .. i am stuck | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | my ideapad would like to be converted into a dualboot w/ meego | 11:16 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're welcome to play | 11:17 |
| jani | mm.. not much of a community stuff there as i was fearing.. | 11:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (i.e. bring the power adapter for EU and you can make it dual boot and play on either side for a while) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | jani: they just opened a week ago or so, i'm seeing more than i'm expected :) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | qareports.meego.com as well | 11:17 |
| Myrtti | actually I'm waiting for the details of Dell Inspiron Duo to be published | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | (as I've said earlier) | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: actually, is there an alternative to verkokauppa if i just want an adapter cable? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the laptop has one of those three round thing ports for power | 11:19 |
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| zinit | timeless_mbp: it has a standard plug to the powersupply, you can go to any electronics or electric shop and get another one | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00oCztcSmylKkT/Laptop-Power-Supply-for-Liteon-19v-6-3a-120w.jpg | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: this is Finland | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't have lots of those (or anything else) | 11:20 |
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| zinit | so? do you have chlas ohlsson therE? | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | we do | 11:20 |
| zinit | there you go:) | 11:20 |
| zinit | they have cables | 11:20 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: how much is it in VK? | 11:20 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't sure they'd have it | 11:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | mythi: i arrived last night after 11pm | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o my luggage | 11:21 |
| zinit | its the exact same cable ibm, hp, dell and lenovo uses | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | (which should arrive around 12pm today) | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, dell? | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | no, not dell | 11:21 |
| zinit | bring your current cable and you can doublecheck the end that goes into the psu | 11:21 |
| zinit | my dell has the same plug in the psu | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | dell has (round|round) (round) | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: bebek has http://www.bebek.fi/kauppa/lisatiedot.php?&tuote_id=7719 | 11:21 |
| zinit | and the lenovo? | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | this 3 rounds in a triangle | 11:22 |
| zinit | yes | 11:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: ok, where's bebek? | 11:22 |
| zinit | dell and ibm have a nac for using one that is also flat with 3 connections | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: sörnäisten rantatie 6 | 11:22 |
| zinit | the main standard people use is the same as the ideapad has | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: sure, doesn't help me | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a dell and a mac | 11:23 |
| zinit | any place that sells laptops usually have power cables too | 11:23 |
| zinit | and chlas has just about anything:P | 11:23 |
| zinit | also if you got biltema, they have | 11:23 |
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| jani | Stskeeps: blargh =( | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: clas would be closer to me, i'm walking distance to kamppi/ruoholahti | 11:24 |
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| zinit | then go there:) | 11:24 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: well, you didn't ask me for one close to you ;-) the limitations were "other than verkkokauppa" | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | serves me right :) | 11:25 |
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| Myrtti | damn right | 11:25 |
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| Chani | mmm, sleeeeep. :) | 11:26 |
| Mek | Chani: sleep? | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.clasohlson.co.uk/About/StoreDetail.aspx?id=10005754 | 11:26 |
| Chani | Mek: sleep. it was good. :) | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.clasohlson.co.uk/Product/Product.aspx?id=54924005 looks like the UK version of the cable - i.e. what i already have | 11:27 |
| jani | timeless_mbp: closes ohlson is propably in mannerheimintie | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | jani: nope, kampi | 11:27 |
| Chani | Mek: how's it going over there? | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it's my local neighborhood grocery store :) | 11:27 |
| Mek | Chani: figuring out an agenda | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | -- stone's throw away | 11:27 |
| jani | ack true½ | 11:27 |
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| Chani | Mek: cool.. i'll be over there in.. prolly an hour? | 11:29 |
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| tuxcrafter | hi all | 11:29 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 11:29 |
| Chani | Mek: i assume the agenda has the obvious points from the meeting with dirk, and thiago's request, already? | 11:29 |
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| tuxcrafter | i have been waiting for the last past 3 years for a linux mobile device with imap, caldav and carddav support | 11:29 |
| Chani | anything else interesting happening? | 11:30 |
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| tuxcrafter | the n900 has been a disapointment in this regards for having limited imap and no caldav or carddav support | 11:30 |
| tuxcrafter | now i have my hopes on meego | 11:30 |
| tuxcrafter | where can i make a feature request for a caldav calender and a carddav contacts | 11:30 |
| CosmoHill | tuxcrafter: a disappointment when running meamo? | 11:31 |
| tuxcrafter | CosmoHill: yes when runningh meamo | 11:31 |
| CosmoHill | tuxcrafter: bugs.meego.com | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | arg | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | wow, clas really screws up w/ the flags | 11:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | they have country flags on their pages | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | those take you to the store for that country's flag | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | which means you can't shop the Finnish store in English | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | instead you get sent to the British store | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | which has different prices and selection | 11:32 |
| Chani | oy, cruel.. | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | hi Chani | 11:32 |
| zinit | noticed that... | 11:32 |
| zinit | but if you are in finland, just go by and get a cable:P | 11:32 |
| timeless_mbp | to be fair, it's better than misusing Flags to mean Language | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, i have 30mins until my luggage should arrive | 11:33 |
| zinit | they sell those cables. I have bought cables at chlas in norway before | 11:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... i'll do that | 11:33 |
| Chani | timeless_mbp: some flight websites do hat too - and the prices in dollars are disproportionately high too | 11:33 |
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| zinit | prices at any travel site or airport are insane for essentials | 11:34 |
| zinit | just look at a tube of toothpaste at an airport... I have seen that for 6-7 euros... and at any grocery store its 2-3 euros:P | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Chani: really? | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i generally find the prices in dollars work as well | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | zinit: a colleague wanted toothpaste while @Dub | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the hotel had free toothbrushes | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | but the clerk said they were too cheap to include toothpaste | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the store attached to the hotel only sold the full size toothpaste | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (the hotel i stayed at 2 weeks ago in Lyon, FR had toothpaste w/ its toothbrushes) | 11:36 |
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| zinit | thats the most common I have seen too... (cant remember ever seing a hotel with no toothpaste...) | 11:37 |
| Myrtti | first decision of the day: to have more tea or no | 11:37 |
| zinit | Myrtti: coffee ftw!!! | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | zinit: it was really amusing how frankly the clerk put it | 11:39 |
| zinit | anyone still in dublin? or have everybody gone home now? | 11:39 |
| zinit | hehe | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i think some are staying through the weekend | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but most left yesterday | 11:39 |
| jani | coffee, small cigar and and then something stronger to dull the pain after work. | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Does 70%+ chocolate qualify as coffee? | 11:40 |
| zinit | dublin is nice in the weekend. the market in temple bar in the weekends is nice | 11:40 |
| zinit | and the food market is realy nice for getting good food | 11:40 |
| zinit | we always buy all our greens and fruit there. (its the only place you can find fresh fruit and veggies in dublin...) | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | I'm being boring and girlish then today, forest fruits tea and raspberry xylitol candy | 11:41 |
| zinit | (that I know of anyway) | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | you go ahead with your smokes and coffee... | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | oh btw, GUESS WHAT DAY IT IS TODAY! | 11:41 |
| zinit | friday? | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | yes, it's FRIDAY | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | \o/ | 11:42 |
| CosmoHill | crap it's friday | 11:42 |
| * CosmoHill has to hand stuff in today | 11:42 | |
| * w00t_ wanders in | 11:44 | |
| CosmoHill | hey w00t | 11:44 |
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| CosmoHill | w00t_: you know a long time ago you meantioned running tutorial's / lessons to each others how to package things / do qt | 11:45 |
| CosmoHill | what's happening with that? | 11:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | w00t: Didn't get to catch-up with you at #meegoconf (unless I did, and didn't put a name to a face ;-)) | 11:47 |
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| jani | RST38h: you could make irish coffee out of it ? | 11:51 |
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| tuxcrafter | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10214 | 11:52 |
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| rob_w_ | hiho i am booting meego 1.1 on a atom 2530 device with video poulsbo graphics but the screen stays black after the kernel messages .. | 11:59 |
| rob_w_ | any hints to go on here ? | 11:59 |
| CosmoHill | how good are you at command line linux? | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | rob_w_: poulsbo isn't supported in meego due to a messy licensing situation | 11:59 |
| rob_w_ | very ! | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | rob_w_: you can probably install 1.0 and the intel EMGD drivers | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Eh? | 12:00 |
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| CosmoHill | you'll have to install the poulsbo driver yourself | 12:00 |
| rob_w_ | k | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, out of box | 12:00 |
| rob_w_ | i got them running on suse 11.2 | 12:00 |
| Chani | whee, train interwebs | 12:00 |
| CosmoHill | there's several poulsbo drivers out there | 12:00 |
| rob_w_ | whats the way toboot meego into command line only .. init 3 didnt do the trick | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | rob_w_: edit /etc/inittab and outcomment the 'x:' line | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Oh, that is everyone's favorite Imagetech thingie | 12:01 |
| rob_w_ | how can this be as meego is intel chips | 12:01 |
| CosmoHill | rob_w_: you have to add a "3" to the end of the boot line | 12:01 |
| tuxcrafter | CosmoHill: thank you for the direction to the bug tracker i added http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10215 and http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10214 | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's really funny cos the mrst stuff has sgx too and licensing is fine there | 12:01 |
| CosmoHill | rob_w_ the poulsbo chip has intel's name on it but they did not design it | 12:01 |
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| rob_w_ | oh ,, | 12:01 |
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| rob_w_ | lemme put the iomage on the hdd then i can start editing stuff better .. | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: To be fair, Poulsbo actually means the whole SCH | 12:02 |
| zinit | has anyone figured out the right click issue with the ideapad in linux? | 12:02 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: ok, then gma500 :P | 12:02 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Or "north cluster" or "north bridge", whatever, things have become hazy with Intel SoCs | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yea, the GFX basically | 12:03 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: There should be a VDC there as well, so you should still be able to run X on it, just no 3D | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but that's not enough for meego :) | 12:05 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: weeeeelll... | 12:05 |
| rob_w_ | should it be doable to dd the usbstick to a partiton ? | 12:06 |
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| rob_w_ | k differnet question .. dd usbimg isnt a good idea as its all iso stuff .. how can i boot up meego to install on a partition with bothering the pouslbo ? | 12:12 |
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| CosmoHill | rob_w_: you can boot into the command line by added 3 to the end of the boot menu command | 12:15 |
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| CosmoHill | at boot press tab and replace "quiet" with "3" | 12:16 |
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| rob_w_ | kk | 12:17 |
| rob_w_ | why isnt init 3 working as exspected ? | 12:17 |
| rob_w_ | not working .. it switches the screeen and stays black again .. maybe the fb driver is also bad with my devie | 12:18 |
| rob_w_ | fbdev=vesa maybe ? | 12:18 |
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| rob_w__ | fbdev=vesa maybe | 12:19 |
| slaine | Hmmm, the ideapad doesn't seem to wake from sleep | 12:19 |
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| rob_w__ | it really seems to be the console fb driver fukcing it up | 12:22 |
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| slaine | it has vga=current in there | 12:23 |
| rob_w__ | adding init=/bin/sh works as exspected | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | rob_w__: did you edit inittab like i asked you to? | 12:23 |
| rob_w__ | i cant | 12:23 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: he can't | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | why not? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
| slaine | it's off the live key, I think he said | 12:23 |
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| rob_w__ | correct | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | edit the live key | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| slaine | The live key used to work I thought though | 12:24 |
| rob_w__ | its a squash img | 12:24 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to arm where things are sane | 12:24 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| slaine | rob_w__: There's a few tutorials on MeeGo for the Joggler hardware, that might help out | 12:24 |
| rob_w__ | k | 12:25 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 12:32 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: hey | 12:33 |
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| rob_w__ | is the "install" option doing the install grafically ? will it ask for partitions or will it wipe my disk without asking ? | 12:34 |
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| CosmoHill | it will ask for partitions and what disk to format | 12:36 |
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| rob_w__ | can i run the installer on cmdline ? | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | I've not tried | 12:44 |
| Myrtti | Tm_T: ping | 12:44 |
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| arfoll | rob_w__, don't think so. Are you trying to get 1.1 on the joggler? | 12:50 |
| rob_w__ | not the joggler but a comparable device | 12:50 |
| Stecchino | DawnFoster: where exaclty on the wiki should the unconference notes go? | 12:50 |
| rob_w__ | i got ubuntu and suse just fine but have to present the device on CES with meego .. | 12:50 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, ok well GMA500 won't work with the Xorg version in meego 1.1 | 12:50 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, ubuntu/suse probably used the IEGD driver not the EMGD one | 12:51 |
| rob_w__ | ok | 12:51 |
| rob_w__ | so what would be the best approach for any meego ? | 12:51 |
| arfoll | if you have access to someone at Intel they may have an internal driver | 12:51 |
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| arfoll | or use meego 1.0 | 12:51 |
| rob_w__ | will that be working ? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | Stecchino: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference maybe? | 12:51 |
| CosmoHill | arfoll: but he won't be able to present it then because of the non-disclosure policy | 12:51 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, I'm not a lawyer ;-) | 12:52 |
| CosmoHill | (I may be very very wrong there) | 12:52 |
| Stecchino | Stskeeps: looks like general unconference info only | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Stecchino: underneath the sessions people post notes, i think | 12:52 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, yes meego 1.0 with the EMGD that can be gotten officially will work | 12:52 |
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| arfoll | on 1.0 | 12:52 |
| Stecchino | hmm, a bit sparse notes (txt file) but OK | 12:52 |
| rob_w__ | k sounds worth a try | 12:52 |
| rob_w__ | so meego 1.0 netbook .. right | 12:53 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, you'll have to make your own image with a .ks. I'd recommend starting with an image with openssh-server running and then install the EMGD drivers | 12:54 |
| rob_w__ | oh dear .. i dont like the meego sdk | 12:54 |
| arfoll | on boot with the stock images the drivers won't work and i'm not even sure you can get to the tty's | 12:54 |
| arfoll | no meego sdk, the mic2 tool. | 12:54 |
| rob_w__ | oh | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | you can boot into command line by putting "3" at the end of the boot line from the boot loader | 12:54 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, don't rejoice too quickly ;-) | 12:54 |
| rob_w__ | :-) | 12:55 |
| rob_w__ | no i cant | 12:55 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, yeah but tty's are dodgy on GMA500 and stock kernel so best to use openssh | 12:55 |
| rob_w__ | the 3 thing doesnt change .. it boots up and switches | 12:55 |
| rob_w__ | but blacks out .. i can see hdd activity though after that | 12:55 |
| rob_w__ | openssh requires me to setup hte wifi first :-=) | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | I've used meego 1.1 at command line with an ATi 9500 and Matrox GS200 :) | 12:56 |
| rob_w__ | as of course the device is a tablet and has no inbuild eth | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | *1.0 | 12:56 |
| arfoll | rob_w__, best to use a USB->ethernet adapter. Connman has a cli interface if you manage to get to a tty | 12:56 |
| rob_w__ | wonder if intel is bad at us if we use smeegol ;-= | 12:56 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, yeah but this is gma500 ;-) | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | I found smeegol a bit hit and miss | 12:57 |
| rob_w__ | never tried it | 12:57 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, on my stock NC10, didn't even managed to get past the installer.... | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | it worked on my bros desktop but not my own and sometimes the icrons screwed up | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | arfoll: I've never made it past the installer | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | it gets confused at the partiioner | 12:58 |
| arfoll | linpus have a networkmanager interface for the stock netbook UX, which is really my only meego complaint | 12:58 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, glad to know i'm not just stupid :-) | 12:58 |
| arfoll | works well in 'live' mode though | 12:58 |
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| CosmoHill | rob_w__: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/smeegol-apps-600px.png http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/working-app-icons-600px.png | 12:59 |
| rob_w__ | yeah thats the goal :-) | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | note how the icons change | 13:01 |
| rob_w__ | k whats the 2 ? | 13:01 |
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| Myrtti | I wonder where the hell I've put my phone | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | rob_w__: the firs shows the icons being all screwed up, the second show most of them working | 13:02 |
| rob_w__ | cause of gma500 ? | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 13:02 |
| fcrozat | looks like a clutter or gl bug | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | Intel P4 3.6Ghz with ATi 3850 | 13:02 |
| arfoll | CosmoHill, are you running fglrx or the OSS radeon? | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | whatever smeegol came with | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | I have a P4 2.8Ghz with a ATi x1650pro which smeegol wouldn't boot on | 13:03 |
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| erani | I just noticed a topic in the forums considering the media codec installation requirement for playing mp3 files etc. Is MeeGo going to have a first-time user friendly "click 'n' play" solution for installing proprietary codecs in the future? or are the codecs possibly going to be included from the OEM side when MeeGo devices will be officially shipped to end users | 13:11 |
| arfoll | erani, legal issues around ffmpeg basically means it's probably going to have to be an OEM thing | 13:13 |
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| arfoll | and as for gst-plugins-ugly/bad well that's allready been stripped of all legally dodgy plugins | 13:14 |
| erani | ok :) | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 13:15 |
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| erani | just popped into my mind as there are some not-to-mention distros out there that prompt the user to install proprietary codecs from a simple install button when playing e.g. say .mp3 for the first time | 13:16 |
| jellyb | hello | 13:16 |
| erani | doesn't really bother me but i'm just curious | 13:16 |
| smoku | erani, it's actually an issue of one-click package installation. and AFAIK we're going to have that. | 13:16 |
| jellyb | are you guys able to see this | 13:16 |
| erani | smoku: cheers for the answer :) | 13:16 |
| smoku | erani, someone just needs to rebuild gstreamer and its dependencies and put it in some repo | 13:17 |
| arfoll | smoku, someone allready does - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 | 13:17 |
| smoku | arfoll, cool :) | 13:18 |
| erani | nice | 13:19 |
| smoku | do we support openSUSE .ymp files? | 13:20 |
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| jani | anyone here familar with qtuitest or atleast heard of it ? | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | jani, hrm nope, the guys who do qa-testing stuff for meego hang out on #meego-qa-tools and #meego-qa perhaps ask there | 13:52 |
| CosmoHill | awesome, I can kill my phone battery in one short call | 13:53 |
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| yctv | Hi, I am doing a mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron but that is not giving any output | 13:53 |
| yctv | I installed qemu-kvm but that isnt helping either | 13:53 |
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| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 13:54 |
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| lardman | hey lcuk | 14:01 |
| lcuk | lardman, you missed an excellent few days, how was the coverage outside the event? | 14:02 |
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| * lcuk asked one question for you | 14:02 | |
| lardman | coverage was ok, couldn't see the slides though which was a shame | 14:02 |
| lcuk | hm | 14:02 |
| lardman | would also have been good to have some roving cameramen to see what the rest of the place was like and listen in on the last day | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | lardman: In the keynotes, I couldn't see the presenter holding up the "everyone gets one" piece of paper. | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | heh that would be awesome | 14:03 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I missed those anyway, was working (which is why I couldn't come in the end) | 14:03 |
| lcuk | lardman, especially if the webui allowed you to vote which area the camera man headed for! | 14:03 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yes that would be cool, though actually some portable lower-res cameras in a grid would be cool - like the BBC red button | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | ooh yeah | 14:04 |
| lardman | choose which audo to hear | 14:04 |
| lardman | would be good for the AV guys to be tuned to IRC too, so they could hear that we couldn't see this that the other, and wanted to pan across, etc | 14:05 |
| lardman | also someone to read IRC and ask questions would be good - thanks for doing that lcuk | 14:05 |
| lcuk | i was saying to people that irc to voice can be used in some channels | 14:05 |
| lcuk | and actually hear the conversation as it happens | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | lardman, thank cosmo, he repasted your message | 14:06 |
| lcuk | and made sure someone saw it :) | 14:06 |
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| lardman | thanks cosmo :) | 14:07 |
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| * lcuk got woken up by an O2 person offering me cheaper broadband | 14:07 | |
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| lcuk | it wont go as fast as the 100mb cable I see from Virgin | 14:08 |
| * lcuk has 3.5g mobile broadband with O2 already :) | 14:08 | |
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| lcuk | revdkathy mentioned that theres no irc client directly for meego netbook | 14:10 |
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| pexi | no irc client | 14:12 |
| pexi | it is going to fail | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | ssh + irssi ;p | 14:12 |
| pexi | ofc you have to have client side irc with 3g lag | 14:13 |
| lcuk | pexi, who said anything about fail? its just a chance for someone to bring a whizz bang irc setup to meego :) | 14:13 |
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| lardman | rubbish, equation editor with no lambda | 14:14 |
| lardman | in M$ ppt that is | 14:14 |
| lardman | random aside | 14:14 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:14 |
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| pexi | hope the one aint khaled mardem-bey | 14:15 |
| lcuk | lardman, are there any visual equation editors/interactive math apps that we could get onto the netbook build? | 14:15 |
| lardman | Qualculate is quite cool, does unit following calcs | 14:15 |
| lardman | Qalculate! even | 14:15 |
| lardman | R would be good | 14:15 |
| lardman | Octave, has some UIs | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | zypper install cigs | 14:16 |
| lardman | I really could do with a device with a larger screen and a kb, but not a full notepad size | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you should have really come to the conf :P | 14:17 |
| lardman | yeah yeah I realise that, but I really have been rather busy this week, so no chance of getting away | 14:17 |
| lardman | s/this/last | 14:17 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 14:22 |
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| andre__ | olla | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | safe home after dublin? :) | 14:24 |
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| * lardman is happy, passport is back | 14:28 | |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps: yepp, all fine. was really fun and a great conf | 14:46 |
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| Chani | FYI: if you're wondering why your new lenovo doesn't come back from suspend, try waiting 5-10 minutes. | 14:47 |
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| Chani | I'm not sure what it spends those 5-10 minutes *doing* but it is doing somethin :) | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Chani: calculates several digits of pi | 14:48 |
| lcuk | mmmm pi | 14:48 |
| lardman | -e | 14:48 |
| lardman | with bacon | 14:48 |
| Chani | haha | 14:48 |
| lcuk | bacon pi, even better | 14:48 |
| lcuk | Chani, easy flight home? | 14:50 |
| Chani | lcuk: yep :) | 14:51 |
| Chani | first time I've seen ryanair check bag sizes | 14:51 |
| Chani | luckily they skipped me.. | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | ryanair collared spyro since he tried to take 5 hand bags onto the flight | 14:52 |
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| * lcuk shakes head cos he was majorly warned | 14:52 | |
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| Chani | >.< | 14:52 |
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| lcuk | what do i need to add to install ssh server on the netbook? ssh and ssh-client are the only zypper install options and I don't appear to have sshd anywhere | 14:57 |
| merlincorey | w/ 13 | 14:57 |
| merlincorey | FAIL sorry | 14:58 |
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| smoku | any suggestions for a particular place on wiki i should put the summary of what I was talking at my unconference session? | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | find the unconference page, make a session page describing and then notes? | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | smoku, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Unconference#Session_notes | 15:47 |
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| lardman | cu later chaps | 15:56 |
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| smoku | lcuk, thanks | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | the lenovo ideapads we got at meego conf have a strange button in the top right of the keyboard above the escape key. I have been told it is the system restore button for the original OS. what do we have to do to allow it to work as system restore for meego? | 16:28 |
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| fcrozat | overwriting lenovo windows 7 partition | 16:29 |
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| fcrozat | and getting it to work with their way of working | 16:29 |
| fcrozat | I wouldn't try ;) | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | fcrozat, if I buy a device with meego on it, I would damn well expect it to restore meego when I press that button ;) | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: it has a system restore button? | 16:30 |
| fcrozat | except the tablet weren't sold with meego | 16:30 |
| zinit | you need to set up the lenovo restore system. (has a weird way of partitioning it so it works, and from what I gathered it requires some nasty bios hacking to be able to choose which partition to use as restore) | 16:30 |
| CosmoHill | can you see someone pressing it by mistake instead of esc | 16:30 |
| lcuk | fcrozat, not this week it wasnt | 16:30 |
| lcuk | but it will be at some point. | 16:30 |
| lcuk | no CosmoHill | 16:31 |
| lcuk | its very small, recessed and under the lip of the screen | 16:31 |
| fcrozat | and it would mean for a vendor helping lenovo to do it | 16:31 |
| lcuk | its out of the way I do not accidentally catch it | 16:31 |
| zinit | that button is controled by the bios according to lenovo (there is an artickle about it on the lenovo forum) | 16:31 |
| fcrozat | like novell is doing with some vendors | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | ah, like a reset button, one you need a paper click with | 16:31 |
| lcuk | fcrozat, of course it would | 16:31 |
| CosmoHill | clip* | 16:31 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, not quite | 16:31 |
| lcuk | but its not in the way either | 16:31 |
| lcuk | zinit, thanks | 16:31 |
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| * CosmoHill offers lcuk cheese and crackers | 16:35 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, thank you. | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | does anyone have a photograph or copy of the cover letter given to conference participants who needed their lenovo delivering to them | 16:40 |
| lcuk | (those who left before shipments arrived) | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | I saw the letter on the helpdesk but did not take a photo | 16:40 |
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| Texrat | ahoy! | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | lo Texrat | 16:50 |
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| Texrat | loving this little Ideapad | 16:50 |
| Texrat | I'm now ready to learn Qt coding :D | 16:51 |
| Texrat | we need a version of Qt that runs on it | 16:51 |
| ymb | lcuk the letter on the front desk was that the netbook was a gift and had zero value (in case of customs asking?) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | you mean the qt-creator IDE Texrat ? | 16:51 |
| Texrat | yes lcuk | 16:51 |
| lcuk | ymb, yes | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | did anyone take a picture of it | 16:52 |
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| Texrat | I want to do native coding! | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, :) | 16:52 |
| ymb | not sure, but it was written by someone associated with LOinuxFondation i thought | 16:52 |
| Texrat | ymb I didn't report my Ideapad :D | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | ymb, btw, hi ymb \o | 16:53 |
| bergie | Texrat: I already installed PHP from the community repo, and qmlviewer from the main repos so I'm good to go :-) | 16:53 |
| Texrat | US customs has never questioned my forms | 16:53 |
| Texrat | nice bergie | 16:53 |
| lcuk | Texrat, it was for automatic delivery | 16:53 |
| lcuk | and for people in different countries usually | 16:53 |
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| Texrat | so what are the thoughts on an app port request wiki page? should I start one? | 16:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | wifi stuck with lenovo s10 =/ apparently I need a windows installation to solve it (http://www.proli.net/2010/11/19/hidden-wifi-switches/) =/ | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | there were folks from everywhere in the world and I guess that letter helped smooth the way for some | 16:54 |
| Texrat | arg MoRpHeUz | 16:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | Texrat: :( | 16:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | right in the middle of kde mobile sprint =/ | 16:55 |
| * Myrtti checks for updates on hardware specifications of the Dell Inspiron Duo, is disappointed once again | 16:55 | |
| ymb | Texrat, I too may have "forgotten" to announce it :) | 16:55 |
| Texrat | lcuk is spamming my email inbox :P | 16:56 |
| lcuk | only because you weren't in here :) | 16:56 |
| CosmoHill | MoRpHeUz: to enable wifi under linux you need to install windows? | 16:56 |
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| Texrat | thanks for the maemo porting pages though lcuk | 16:57 |
| MoRpHeUz | CosmoHill: welcome to the wonderful world of lenovo's s10 :P hehe | 16:57 |
| Texrat | Google failed when I looked last night | 16:57 |
| Texrat | and by the way lcuk, damn you English for switching " and @ on keyboards!!! :P | 16:57 |
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| MoRpHeUz | CosmoHill: the thing is that this only happens sometimes. and then to enable again you need to boot into windows, run lenovo's power management tool and enable wifi+bluetooth | 16:57 |
| lcuk | Texrat, its a new keyboard anyway | 16:57 |
| MoRpHeUz | CosmoHill: then it works again | 16:57 |
| smoku | Texrat, have you fixed the ideapad touchpad? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | everything is different position for me also | 16:57 |
| CosmoHill | that's just stupid | 16:58 |
| Texrat | smoku how would I do that? | 16:58 |
| lcuk | Texrat, you voted for the bug and ranked it highly | 16:58 |
| Myrtti | IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT | 16:58 |
| Texrat | I did? | 16:58 |
| smoku | Texrat, I managed to enable right click and circle scrolling with commandline util. but I do not know how to make it permanent | 16:58 |
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| Texrat | ah smoku... it will need to go into HID configuration settings | 16:59 |
| lcuk | smoku, would you like to document what you did on the wiki and we can see amongst ourselves how to help you | 16:59 |
| * CosmoHill chokes when he saw that VAT is going up | 16:59 | |
| smoku | lcuk, i had that idea, but was to tired yesterday and just went to bed ;-) | 17:00 |
| lcuk | i know that feeling | 17:00 |
| lcuk | i might return there soon myself, still tired from the week | 17:00 |
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| smoku | well... the gnome mouse configuration has option for side scrolling. maybe it has more hidden settings in gconf. I need to see | 17:01 |
| Texrat | I seem to always catch a cold when I travel... throat hurts today. Coffee is slow to cure this morning | 17:01 |
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| Texrat | by the way if you are looking for a mouse for Ideapad, HP travel mouse coordinates lookwise and works very well | 17:04 |
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| Texrat | still to come: bathroom test for Ideapad. Will it replace my N900 for those long ordeals? :D | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, its got the extended battery I suppose | 17:06 |
| smoku | btw, how do you find meego netbook interface? | 17:06 |
| Texrat | lol lcuk | 17:06 |
| Texrat | and it won't drop in the toilet as easily | 17:07 |
| smoku | I think the idea is great, but execution annoys me as hell :/ | 17:07 |
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| bergie | did anybody find a solution for resume on the S10? | 17:07 |
| Texrat | smoku that's Nokia's business strategy btw | 17:07 |
| bergie | sometimes it resumes, sometimes you get a black screen | 17:07 |
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| fcrozat | MoRpHeUz: did you check the hardware wifi switch on the side ? | 17:07 |
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| Texrat | I've had that once bergie, have not seen a fix | 17:07 |
| fcrozat | mine was "off" | 17:07 |
| fcrozat | and I took me some time to discover it :) | 17:08 |
| smoku | beford, I was surprised yesterday, when it actualy woke up from suspend :D | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | bergie, just wait | 17:08 |
| smoku | s/beford/bergie/ | 17:08 |
| infobot | smoku meant: bergie, I was surprised yesterday, when it actualy woke up from suspend :D | 17:08 |
| lcuk | from what I heard from Chani this morning, it does/can come back to life fully after about 5minutes o_O | 17:08 |
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| lcuk | mine seems to restore quite quickly | 17:08 |
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| Texrat | lcuk, it wants to make sure you're serious about it waking up | 17:09 |
| smoku | ROTFL | 17:09 |
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| Texrat | Ideapad: the netbook with a suspend snooze | 17:09 |
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| Texrat | I decided on the plane trip back home I'm going to start on a MeeGo theme song and see if timsamoff can do a video | 17:10 |
| Texrat | then perform it live as a lightning talk | 17:10 |
| lcuk | Texrat, :) Ian spyro plays the guitar | 17:10 |
| Texrat | ooo | 17:11 |
| Texrat | need some singers | 17:11 |
| Chani | hehe | 17:11 |
| Texrat | thinking of a reggae number with doowop harmony | 17:11 |
| luisbg-pi | anybody knows a good resource to learn how to set up a OBS for MeeGo? (the build system) | 17:11 |
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| fcrochik | Texrat: sorry I did not have a chance to say good bye. it was a pleasure meeting you and the ganf | 17:12 |
| Texrat | likewise fcrochik! | 17:13 |
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| Texrat | one conference goof: no goodbye ceremony like we had at Maemo Summit | 17:13 |
| Texrat | and no awards! | 17:13 |
| Texrat | must fix for next time' | 17:13 |
| nerochiaro | hi all, i'm trying to build a debian package out of git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor.git , but there are some dependencies like aegis-builder that i don't know where to get. any hints ? | 17:13 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: have you figured out how to install qtcreator? | 17:14 |
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| Texrat | fcrochik on Ideapad? is it even possible? | 17:14 |
| Texrat | I would love to! | 17:14 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: yes | 17:14 |
| ymb | texrat so the evening of free beer and sport was not enough then? | 17:14 |
| Texrat | ymb that was not a formal conclusion | 17:15 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: just download from the qt web site the linux 32 bit | 17:15 |
| Texrat | good, but more of an aftermath | 17:15 |
| MoRpHeUz | fcrochik: yep...it's turned on... | 17:15 |
| Texrat | I will try it fcrochik | 17:15 |
| bergie | ymb: I skipped that one as I didn't see it as a "closing session" and am not particularly interested in football | 17:15 |
| Texrat | so bergie do you agree it should have had a closing like Maemo Summit? | 17:15 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: it is not great because of the resolution.... if you use an external monitor works much better | 17:16 |
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| Texrat | fcrochik that's another question-- external video is supported? | 17:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | Texrat: it should be easy to get qt creator working on the ideapad :) | 17:16 |
| ymb | bergie: i probably have even less interest in football than you, but decided to use it as a nice "winddown" session | 17:16 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: I haven't tried but saw the option on the settings | 17:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | I wonder how it "decided" that it was time to turn off my wifi :P it's so stupid that even battery report status is broken so it shows as if the battery was empty while it's really full | 17:17 |
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| ymb | wold hae worked better as a closing session, if the snacks and beer option was highlighted | 17:17 |
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| Texrat | fcrochik that's another thing-- I could only see how to get to General Settings via Clock applet. Isn't there a direct method? | 17:18 |
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| Texrat | I'm a big "control panel" guy and tend to orient aroudn them | 17:18 |
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| Texrat | that and file managers | 17:18 |
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| smoku | luisbg-pi, opensuse wiki has a very good OBS documentation | 17:19 |
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| fcrochik | Texrat: I saw the option on the "zone\programs" | 17:20 |
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| luisbg-pi | smoku, OK, I will google for it, thanks! | 17:21 |
| luisbg-pi | do you need extra/different stuff for MeeGo or is it the same? | 17:21 |
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| smoku | luisbg-pi, same. latest release has "for MeeGo" nickname ;-) | 17:22 |
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| Texrat_ | okay MeeGo window switching just tripped me up | 17:22 |
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| Texrat_ | did I just leave this channel? | 17:23 |
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| luisbg-pi | smoku, wow! awesome | 17:23 |
| Texrat_ | or am I aloso still logged in as Texrat? | 17:23 |
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| Chani | Texrat_: Texrat is here | 17:23 |
| Texrat_ | yeah I see... wtf | 17:23 |
| Texrat_ | browser acting up on me | 17:24 |
| Chani | o.0 | 17:24 |
| smoku | there are two of you Texrat | 17:24 |
| Texrat_ | somehow new browser instance opened when I wanted to retuirn to existing one | 17:24 |
| Texrat_ | I miss alt-tab!!! | 17:24 |
| smoku | do you know are there any plans for MeeGo tablet UI? the netbook ui is unusable on ideapad in tablet mode | 17:24 |
| Texrat_ | shit... how to get back... | 17:24 |
| smoku | Texrat, alt-tab works fine for me | 17:25 |
| Texrat | ah, NOW it does for me! did not at conference | 17:25 |
| bergie | smoku: if we had screen rotation and on-screen keyboard, I guess it'd be quite ok | 17:25 |
| smoku | bergie, there is no way of calling top menu without mouse | 17:25 |
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| Texrat | fixed | 17:26 |
| Texrat | smoku there is tablet UI plan-- but Ideapad needs hybrid UI | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm curious if the rotate thing has a sensor | 17:27 |
| Texrat | something like Ideapad should detect screen being converted and auto switch to tablet mode | 17:27 |
| smoku | Texrat, i would rather use it like n900 - in tablet mode, calling the keyboard only when necessary | 17:27 |
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| Texrat | agreed smoku, mee to | 17:27 |
| Texrat | too* | 17:27 |
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| Texrat | I would like to do graphics that way | 17:27 |
| Chani | hmm. | 17:28 |
| Texrat | along those lines, I found that Inkscape guys are not interested in Qt :( | 17:28 |
| Chani | aww :/ | 17:28 |
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| Texrat | Stskeeps ultimately I think the rotate feature needs to be detectable | 17:29 |
| * Chani needs to learn how to use OBS, maybe get hacking on some alternate ui shells | 17:29 | |
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| * notmart is drooling to start to use obs as well :/ | 17:30 | |
| Chani | 'course, I'd need an account too. who was it that grants those again? started with l... | 17:30 |
| notmart | building all sort of stuff in the chroot version of the sdk tough | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, x-fade | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:30 |
| Texrat | shit, I cannot get pilot to light on gas fireplace... freaking COLD this morning! | 17:30 |
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| * Chani pokes X-Fade | 17:30 | |
| notmart | but would like it cleaner that other can install as well :) | 17:30 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: ping. Awake already? | 17:31 |
| Texrat | hey thiago | 17:32 |
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| thiago | Texrat: heya | 17:32 |
| Texrat | thiago your hard work coordinating at conf is appreciated | 17:32 |
| * thiago didn't do much | 17:32 | |
| Texrat | bullshit | 17:32 |
| Texrat | :P | 17:32 |
| thiago | well, not much compared to the real organising committee | 17:33 |
| thiago | amy especially | 17:33 |
| Texrat | she has also been thanked ;) | 17:33 |
| notmart | well no matter where in the stadium i was, looking around always there was a thiago ... | 17:33 |
| bergie | ah, this sounds cool: http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ | 17:33 |
| notmart | he probably invented cloning and didn't tell :p | 17:33 |
| thiago | I can't give her a trip to hawaii, so I gave her chocolate | 17:33 |
| Texrat | lol notmart | 17:33 |
| thiago | notmart: so the smoke and mirrors trick worked? | 17:34 |
| notmart | could be, yeah | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: you might know.. does applications benefit from NEON on their own? i guess if base system is optimized for neon (incl qt), does apps need to be? | 17:35 |
| Texrat | hey thiago at next conference I want to have a song and video for lightning talk | 17:35 |
| Texrat | so be prepared :D | 17:35 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: yes, if the compiler is good | 17:35 |
| thiago | some floating point operations are faster with Neon rather than VFP | 17:35 |
| thiago | like loading from memory | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | Just saw the netbook giveaway nice. - enjoying yours Texrat ? | 17:35 |
| thiago | also, if the compiler vectoriser is good, it'll use Neon too in loops | 17:36 |
| Texrat | yes pupnik! would have been nice if you had made it to conference :( | 17:36 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: weren't we supposed to have a talk on Wednesday on hardfp during lunch? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: yes, but it collided with nokians getting a laptop and we couldn't find you when we did end up meeting :P | 17:36 |
| thiago | I was there in the Atrium at lunch | 17:37 |
| thiago | but yeah, then around 1 the nokians got netbooks | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - we were standing there but the other people needed weren't around | 17:37 |
| * thiago was #20 or so | 17:37 | |
| Texrat | pupnik_ I am using the netbook now | 17:37 |
| thiago | then I decided to stay to brief a colleague in the validation round we're doing, then prepare the lightning round of the afternoon | 17:38 |
| Texrat | thiago, Stskeeps, I was amazed how many of my friends said they didn't know about my BoF... only lcuk showed | 17:38 |
| Texrat | I could have sworn I got word out | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, there were so many sessions I missed, it was easy to get sidetracked into another room and carried away with the discussion | 17:39 |
| pupnik_ | A nice sketch app (not a ms-paint) would be nice to ship with meego | 17:39 |
| lcuk | :) pupnik_ | 17:39 |
| Texrat | understood lcuk, but I'm talking about people saying they did not know at all... found that surprising | 17:39 |
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| fcrochik | Isn't odd that the meego toolbar" | 17:39 |
| Texrat | especially when info is on conference handouts... | 17:40 |
| Texrat | agreed pupnik_ | 17:40 |
| fcrochik | sorry... isn't odd that the meego toolbar is gtk? | 17:40 |
| Texrat | pupnik_ I want Inkscape but it looks unlikely on MeeGo... at least for some time | 17:40 |
| Texrat | it is fcrochik? | 17:40 |
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| fcrochik | Texrat: as far as I can tell it is... the "ui" file is a gtk file...not qt | 17:41 |
| Texrat | odd fcrochik | 17:41 |
| lcuk | I still require linkage between n900 and netbook, stylus operations are essential :) | 17:41 |
| Texrat | fcrochik you are digging deep I see :D | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: so, the discussion is currently that in hardfp, we'd say float-abi=hard, arch=armv7-a, fpu=vfpv3-d16. however. we will also be providing a subarch definition that enables NEON ('armv7hln'). packages that take benefit from it in meego.com Trunk will be automatically built into neon as well. in addition to that, compliance would allow vendors to do all-neon builds if they so wanted. on apps side, we'd have vfpv3-d16 as baseline ... | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ... (and scanning for NEON usage), but enabling ability to provide the sub-arch neon packages. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: we haven't reached a conclusion, but this is how it looks like atm | 17:42 |
| lcuk | the netbook size is perfect for tagging grouping and rating stuff with big finger actions | 17:42 |
| w00t | fcrochik: meego netbook came from moblin, which involved gtk/clutter | 17:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: ok | 17:42 |
| Texrat | lcuk next you need to make it where N900 can be a digitizing tablet ;) | 17:42 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: that is what happens when you are locked on a 40x40 inches seat w/o internet | 17:42 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: all-neon would be preferred... | 17:42 |
| w00t | there has been handwavey "it might be replaced in the future" stuff coming up on list when it was discussed | 17:42 |
| Texrat | lol fcrochik | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: well, this is what people would be able to build (and at same time be compliant) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | we might see a similar situation in the future on intel side, so | 17:42 |
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| thiago | Stskeeps: though the sub-arch option makes a lot of sense | 17:43 |
| fcrochik | anybody knows how to get access to the garage? I would like to port some of my applications from the n900 to the meego to start to understand what is going on.... | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | so it can potentially pick up neon packages if the local system supports it, yeah | 17:44 |
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| thiago | notmart: do you mind if I quote you in my blog? | 17:44 |
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| fcrochik | I assume I need an OBS account and don't know how to get one.... | 17:45 |
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| notmart | thiago: lol, go ahead :D | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | morning DawnFoster | 17:45 |
| DawnFoster | morning Stskeeps | 17:45 |
| DawnFoster | was great actually seeing all of you IRL this week! | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | and good to see you and the rest of the intel crowd too :) | 17:46 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: I need a link that describes Werewolf :-) | 17:46 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: here's a start - http://www.portlandwerewolf.com/rules | 17:47 |
| thiago | thanks | 17:47 |
| DawnFoster | and http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Werewolf | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: so any objections against that baseline? this way we can basically get all ARM vendors along as well as not sacrificing our ability to speed a majority of things up (basesystem, apps if needed) | 17:48 |
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| * thiago adds the link | 17:48 | |
| Texrat | hey lardman | 17:48 |
| Texrat | helloo DawnFoster | 17:49 |
| Texrat | hey who has managed to connect to a printer with the Ideapad yet? just curious | 17:49 |
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| DawnFoster | hey Texrat - was great seeing you this week! | 17:49 |
| Texrat | thanks and likewise DawnFoster | 17:49 |
| Texrat | appreciate all your hard work | 17:50 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: thanks! I hope your trip home was easier than the trip to Dublin? | 17:50 |
| sivang | hi everybody | 17:51 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster trip was easier but exhausting. and I did not know there was |US customs at Dublin airport! almost made me late for flight | 17:51 |
| Texrat | hey sivang! | 17:51 |
| sivang | Texrat: hey! | 17:51 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: I know - same here. And the customs in Dublin was slooooow | 17:51 |
| Texrat | I am not putting Chromium through web tab stress test. 9 pages open and still flying :D | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: that's because they don't want you to leave | 17:52 |
| Texrat | oops, I am NOW putting... | 17:52 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: well, it was US Customs, so maybe they didn't want me *back* ;) | 17:52 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 17:52 |
| sivang | hey DawnFoster , had more werewolfs games since? :) | 17:52 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster that was first time I have seen the US customs operations on foreign soil | 17:53 |
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| sivang | thiago: thanks for the stickers , really nice ot have them and have people asking "what? how? me wants!" :-) | 17:53 |
| DawnFoster | sivang: ha! not yet. I'm feeling werewolf withdrawal :) | 17:53 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: hehe | 17:53 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, it sure was nice in Dublin, very warm feelings from all around :) | 17:53 |
| thiago | sivang: the small one? | 17:53 |
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| w00t | speaking of stickers, I need to take a photo of my newly blinged lenovo | 17:53 |
| sivang | thiago: the qt and the i go meego, both | 17:53 |
| trip0 | lcuk, you talking about airport security? | 17:54 |
| thiago | sivang: right, the small one we didn't give to many people | 17:54 |
| sivang | thiago: then I get to explain meego is the os, and qt is the framework | 17:54 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: it really was - I had a fantastic time, and can't wait for the next one! | 17:54 |
| thiago | sivang: I only had that sheet | 17:54 |
| thiago | sivang: we used them in our badges | 17:54 |
| sivang | thiago: oh! I feel special :) thanks again | 17:54 |
| sivang | thiago: I see. | 17:54 |
| CosmoHill | oh bugger, I forgot to ask about getting that AMD | 17:54 |
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| Texrat | lol... forgot I am now using Epson printer... went to HP.com to check on drivers | 17:54 |
| thiago | we had loads of the bigger ones | 17:54 |
| sivang | thiago: small is elegant ;) | 17:55 |
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| Texrat | arg!!!! no linux drivers for my printer!!! :( | 17:55 |
| kallam | try google | 17:56 |
| Texrat | to invoke an infamous maemo.org meme: I should have done my research | 17:56 |
| lardman | hi Texrat | 17:56 |
| * thiago looks at the meego wiki and sees two conferences in the "annual MeeGo conference" list | 17:56 | |
| thiago | twice a year is not annual :-) | 17:56 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago: details, details :) | 17:57 |
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| thiago | what's the adjective for twice a year? | 17:58 |
| Texrat | ah kallam the Epson drivers are provided by a third party: http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/download/lsb/epson-inkjet/escp/ | 17:58 |
| thiago | "bi-annual" is every two years, IIUC | 17:58 |
| Texrat | lol thiago | 17:58 |
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| thiago | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/semestral <--- is this word used? | 17:59 |
| Chani | um. | 17:59 |
| Chani | how do I add repos to meego? | 17:59 |
| sivang | is this the channel to ask how to enable wifi again to the netbook? (1.1 build 110 or something) | 18:00 |
| Chani | the add/remove software UI only seems to let me enable/disable the official ones - core, adobe, etc. there'a no community stuff | 18:00 |
| sivang | e.g. the image we got on the sticks | 18:00 |
| Texrat | thiago here you go: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biannual | 18:00 |
| Texrat | semiannual is best | 18:00 |
| sivang | there are going to be 2 conferences a year? | 18:00 |
| Texrat | yes sivang | 18:00 |
| thiago | sivang: yes | 18:00 |
| * sivang calcs remaining vacation days | 18:00 | |
| Texrat | split into marketing/business vs development | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: and next one in the US | 18:01 |
| sivang | ah | 18:01 |
| sivang | so the US one is for development? | 18:01 |
| Texrat | no | 18:01 |
| sivang | ok | 18:01 |
| * Stskeeps has already started planning some vacation travel with the wife there after conference | 18:01 | |
| Texrat | we don't do open source developmnent here :D | 18:01 |
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| * lardman hopes someone releases some Meego hw which is like the Moto Droid 2 Global, but with European data hw | 18:01 | |
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| DawnFoster | Well, the one in US is slightly more industry focused, but we'll still have lots of developer / community stuff | 18:02 |
| sivang | DawnFoster: I see. is there a date already? | 18:02 |
| Chani | wow. to add a repo that gets me packages, I have to "install a package".. | 18:03 |
| kallam | there is also some kind of MeeGo summit in oulu: http://www.meegosummitoulu.com/ | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | Tentative is May 23-25 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 | 18:03 |
| Myrtti | kallam: why is it so close to the Tampere event? | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | we'll probably do an early bird event, too | 18:03 |
| Texrat | hi Myrtti! | 18:03 |
| DawnFoster | the weekend before | 18:03 |
| kallam | Myrtti: what tampere event? | 18:03 |
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| Myrtti | kallam: good grief... | 18:04 |
| sivang | So, I've never been to the US. interesting. | 18:04 |
| Texrat | DawnFoster what would be cool is a focus group brainstorm like was run before Maemo Summit, and then later brought into the summit itself | 18:04 |
| Texrat | it was very cool | 18:04 |
| * thiago hits publish | 18:04 | |
| DawnFoster | Finland seems to be competing with itself for local summits | 18:04 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, :) the collaboration and teambuilding in that space was awesome | 18:04 |
| thiago | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/11/19/meego-conference-2010-wrap-up/ | 18:04 |
| DawnFoster | Oulu was planned first but not well communicated to the community | 18:04 |
| DawnFoster | and Oulu is more business / commercial focused | 18:04 |
| thiago | there's also one being planned in Brazil | 18:05 |
| sivang | Texrat: this is something we need very much, yes. Presenting designs and feature workflow and getting feedback on the spot. | 18:05 |
| DawnFoster | would love to see them a little further apart, but there might not be much overlap | 18:05 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: no kidding, I heard about it through a photo I saw in Twitter by accident *from* Dublin | 18:05 |
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| Texrat | well there will be no avoiding conference collisions once MeeGo heats up! | 18:05 |
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| DawnFoster | Texrat: right, but 2 summits in the same country about a month apart seems a bit odd :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: it also seems like at least one camera guy knew how to get audio on the video recordings, so that's already better than last year ;) | 18:06 |
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| pupnik_ | hhhah | 18:06 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: the company we used for all of that was absolutely fantastic! | 18:06 |
| lardman | DawnFoster: next year it would be good to have online slides for the presentations | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda curious why doug's keynote is broken on video.linuxfoundation.org though | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | the audio was a little low in the livestreamed sessions, so they are re-encoding them now to adjust the audio | 18:07 |
| w00t | http://w00t.dereferenced.net/p/t/20101119_00120101119-20628-kl33nb-0.jpg tadaaa (I'm aware that it looks a little odd having two Qt stickers, I thought I lost my large ones, so I put a small one on there initially :-)) | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: we couldn't see any of the slides and had to have the sound up really loud to hear things | 18:07 |
| lcuk | lardman, yes, if possible to include the slide as available whilst livecast is on | 18:07 |
| lardman | and preferably the camera guy listening to irc to hear us shouting that the volume is too low/no image/pan left/etc ;) | 18:07 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: abock's video had Led Zeppelin or something in the start .... | 18:08 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 18:08 |
| lcuk | that would need text to speech really | 18:08 |
| CosmoHill | i think we were quiet...vocal that day | 18:08 |
| lardman | lcuk: well he could always just read it :p | 18:08 |
| sivang | a truly remakrable event, indeed. | 18:08 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: is Doug's video broken on the conference site or just the LF site? | 18:08 |
| Texrat | damn, linux printer driver failed to install :( | 18:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, its impolite to have head down whilst someone is speaking | 18:08 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: for the next conference we'll need to add the codeword joke too :-) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: let me verify | 18:08 |
| pupnik_ | sivang: care to elaborate? | 18:08 |
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| Myrtti | oh, and first few minutes are totally silent | 18:09 |
| lcuk | an earpiece with text to speech from the chan would be good way to keep up tho ;) | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | BTW, presenters are uploading slides here: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | that's also where the videos are going | 18:09 |
| mortenmj | neither lbt or X-Fade seem to be around lately. anyone else i can talk to about an account on the OBS? | 18:09 |
| sivang | pupnik_: I can't really. for me, it was like it got better each day | 18:09 |
| niala | hello, #meego | 18:09 |
| sivang | pupnik_: e.g. read blog posts etc | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: ah, not linked on conference side -- just the LF side, guess it was cos of livestreaming troubles ( http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1824 ) | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/dive-banshee-meego-netbook-media-player-0 humdidum... | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | or is that the Who? | 18:10 |
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| Myrtti | starting about 01:40 in | 18:10 |
| Myrtti | after being totally silent | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: OK, that explains it - those should be up early next week | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: ah, makes sense :) | 18:11 |
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| sivang | pupnik_: for me it wsa a bit too good to really describe in words, or rather it would took too much. But someome made a nice account close to how it went on a blog post I forgot | 18:12 |
| DawnFoster | BTW, if you see any issues with individual videos or other stuff on the conference site, we have a section in bugzilla to file those | 18:12 |
| berndhs | dawnfoster: for next year, can you kick the camera guys or girls, so they show the slides too ? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug so we can verify it for version 1.2 ;) | 18:13 |
| sivang | pupnik_: In one example, being able to meet with the backup people and see a nice technical talk about the calendar support and API in meego being able to ask in real time and brainstorm was great experience. There should be more and more of that. | 18:14 |
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| CosmoHill | sivang: just this channel | 18:16 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lbt900 | 18:16 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill have a nice day ? | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | luck_laptop: btw thanks for asking lardman's question | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | niala: I've handed in some stuff, spent an hour in someone else's class trying to print | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | and it's so foggy I can't see the end of my road which is pretty cool | 18:17 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: oh, any idea how to re-enable wifi after it has been disabled and the wlan interface is gone? | 18:17 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: should I try to reinsert the kernel module? | 18:17 |
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| CosmoHill | have you tried rebooting? | 18:17 |
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| lbt900 | hi Cosmo | 18:17 |
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| lbt900 | just back in uk | 18:18 |
| lbt900 | lots to do :) | 18:18 |
| niala | sivang: what is you wifi card ? just disable and enable again don't work ? | 18:18 |
| CosmoHill | what part of the uk you from? I keep thinking cambridge | 18:19 |
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| lbt900 | reading | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 18:19 |
| * CosmoHill supports Reading FC :) | 18:19 | |
| lbt900 | who? | 18:20 |
| niala | CosmoHill: and even no the uk team | 18:20 |
| lbt900 | hehe | 18:20 |
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| sivang | I hope talks submission would be announced as early as possible, as I hope to be giving a talk again about how issues were addressed and things improved, as I'm going to take an active part in helping it after having a very good convo with quim about available channels of communication. | 18:21 |
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| lardman | ah, Meego conf OST, any chance? | 18:21 |
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| lardman | we loved the elevator music :) | 18:22 |
| lbt900 | sivang like helping consolidate stuff and direct us all tp it | 18:22 |
| nerochiaro | Can anyone help me in building git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-compositor.git ? There's no documentation and trying the obvious qmake and make fails (it seems to be missing a directory in the source) | 18:22 |
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| lbt900 | read the spec file | 18:22 |
| lbt900 | should say | 18:22 |
| sivang | lbt900: yes, also I'm interested in running focus groups for our verticals | 18:22 |
| lbt900 | i have so much to throw at co | 18:23 |
| sivang | lbt900: I was able to extract much more feedback from people in a physical setup than just onine | 18:23 |
| lbt900 | yep | 18:23 |
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| lbt900 | shame we didn't have more time...but hey, we irc | 18:24 |
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| berndhs | sivang: yeah you can tell if they lie to you, when they start sweating :) | 18:24 |
| sivang | berndhs: heh | 18:24 |
| lbt900 | hehe | 18:24 |
| sivang | ROTFL | 18:24 |
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| lbt900 | anas claims it was just the lights.... | 18:24 |
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| sivang | I managed to also have quite some convos with Ronan, some interestin stuff there as well | 18:24 |
| lbt900 | yep | 18:25 |
| lbt900 | do we have a todo areea | 18:25 |
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| lbt900 | surrounds is a biggy now | 18:25 |
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| mortenmj | lbt900: hi, do you have a minute to help me set up an OBS account? | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | ZZZogg | 18:26 |
| sivang | lbt900: we should, how could we structure it? wiki? | 18:26 |
| sivang | lbt900: surrounds? | 18:27 |
| * sivang searches wiki/ meego.com (I heard about it couldn't really make what exactly this is, a repo, garage, repo off garage?) | 18:27 | |
| Mek | lbt900: hi, is there some way for us kde people to get a community-obs project that is not in somebodys private namespace? | 18:28 |
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| DawnFoster | I just added a conference wrap-up section on the wiki http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Conference_Wrap-up | 18:30 |
| CosmoHill | Mek: you mean like a group space? | 18:30 |
| DawnFoster | you should add links to blog posts, pictures, etc. | 18:30 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: I added your blog post as an example | 18:30 |
| thiago | me as an example? | 18:31 |
| DawnFoster | thp: I used your Flickr set as an example, too :) | 18:31 |
| Mek | CosmoHill: well, right now we're using a home:something:kde project, but 'official' kde packages would make more sense to not be namespaced like that | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | thiago: BTW, why dislike for Harmattan? | 18:32 |
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| thiago | RST38h: no dislike | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | Any specific reason? | 18:32 |
| thiago | RST38h: that's not what I meant | 18:32 |
| thiago | hmm... /me edits the post | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | Mghm | 18:33 |
| Texrat | thanks DawnFoster for wrap-up | 18:34 |
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| thiago | RST38h: chagned to "though the Harmattan wind doesn’t help airplanes — not yet anyway" | 18:34 |
| DawnFoster | Texrat: thanks, now we just need to get people to add to it :) | 18:34 |
| Texrat | I will | 18:34 |
| RST38h | thiago: Got even more cryptic this way =) | 18:34 |
| Texrat | have a cold now that makes my head cloudy, once coffee kicks in I'll get to work | 18:34 |
| thiago | at least it's not negative | 18:35 |
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| thiago | foreshadowing? maybe | 18:36 |
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| Texrat | lol... 12 web tabs open on MeeGo Chromium and no performance hit. Windows XP + IE7 can't say that | 18:36 |
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| * thiago updates again for grammar mistakes | 18:38 | |
| GAN900 | Texrat, I'm nuking it for Ubuntu tonight. | 18:38 |
| GAN900 | Too much like a toy for my taste. | 18:38 |
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| Texrat | GAN900, provide feedback instead :P | 18:38 |
| * thiago will install the Plasma Netbook shell | 18:38 | |
| Texrat | I already have Ubuntu for laptop so this is the chance to stress test MeeGo | 18:39 |
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| sivang | I'm gonna make this my main platform, now that the hardware support vmx :) | 18:39 |
| Texrat | there you go sivang | 18:39 |
| sivang | I get to finally run the QEMU chroot for proper testing and platform experiments | 18:39 |
| sivang | Texrat: sister already took the LG ULV | 18:40 |
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| sivang | Texrat: which I won't be missing since it has the worst keyboard/touchpad and misses keystrokes due to having rather aggresive cpu scheduling | 18:40 |
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| Texrat | sivang yeah that sounds like the HP laptop I use for work. Damn thing refuses inout every so often to do some background crap | 18:41 |
| Texrat | input* | 18:41 |
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| sivang | Texrat: exactly. those are pentiums. Never had this problem wtih the Atoms | 18:41 |
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| GAN900 | Texrat, yeah, the issues are a bit too fundamental for that. | 18:41 |
| Texrat | so... where are the first-person shooters for MeeGo? :D | 18:42 |
| Texrat | I am ready to game! | 18:42 |
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| niala | Texrat: urban terror works | 18:42 |
| Texrat | cool niala thanks | 18:42 |
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| niala | wolfenstein 3d to ... old game | 18:43 |
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| sivang | niala: dislable / enable does not work, since interface is not found | 18:44 |
| Texrat | niala I am looking for a a Halo equivalent :D | 18:44 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: rebooted several times already, no go. | 18:44 |
| Texrat | man I love that game on the PC | 18:44 |
| niala | Texrat: do a meego-kill-team | 18:44 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill, niala a: any other ideas? | 18:45 |
| niala | sivang: Your card has already worked ? | 18:45 |
| sivang | niala: yes | 18:45 |
| niala | maybe disable in bios ? | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | you can try "lsmod" to see what modules are there? | 18:46 |
| sivang | true | 18:46 |
| sivang | let me do that | 18:46 |
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| sivang | niala: I did not touch the bios, | 18:46 |
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| sivang | niala: what I fear now, a hardware breakage now that I can thinkg of it | 18:46 |
| Texrat | hack I would like to see: live clock on Chromium top bar | 18:46 |
| CosmoHill | you could also try another livecd to make sure it's not hardware failure | 18:46 |
| sivang | (too much security at airports, packes back pack) | 18:46 |
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| sivang | CosmoHill: yes, this just crossed my mind. | 18:46 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: Although I'd expect lenovo to be strong | 18:47 |
| sivang | CosmoHill: although this is no T43 | 18:47 |
| CosmoHill | stuff happens | 18:47 |
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| GAN900 | The hinge worries me. | 18:49 |
| DawnFoster | I also added a page in the wiki where people can post feedback about the conference: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Feedback | 18:50 |
| CosmoHill | wow, you can get DDR3 ram for a socket 755 intel? | 18:51 |
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| niala | DawnFoster: I am crying when I see all the lenovopad :) | 18:52 |
| mortenmj | niala: you didn't get one? | 18:52 |
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| niala | mortenmj: 'm not going to the conference | 18:53 |
| mortenmj | ah | 18:53 |
| mortenmj | DawnFoster: will the conference in oulu have the same general format as the one we just had? | 18:53 |
| DawnFoster | the Oulu summit is organized by a local group in Oulu | 18:53 |
| DawnFoster | it isn't organized by the same people and will certainly be very different | 18:54 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/ [ Web Censorship Bill Sails Through Senate Committee | Epicenter-| Wired.com ] | 18:54 |
| * w00t forsees some confusion of a "meego summit" not organised by meego | 18:54 | |
| DawnFoster | Keep in mind that anyone can organize a local summit for their region | 18:54 |
| mortenmj | i thought it would be the same thing, and i've seen news articles to that effect as well | 18:54 |
| DawnFoster | w00t: None of the MeeGo Summits will be official events | 18:55 |
| DawnFoster | all are unofficial local events | 18:55 |
| mortenmj | oh, wait. the news article i read refers to a conference in san francisco in may | 18:55 |
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| GAN900 | w00t, we could try Smeegol Summit? *eg* | 18:56 |
| fcrozat | DawnFoster: I'm not sure it is clear for everybody. I know it wasn't when I saw the booth this week ;) | 18:56 |
| DawnFoster | mortenmj: oh good - that's correct. The next MeeGo Conference is in SF in May | 18:56 |
| w00t | GAN900: haha... ;) | 18:56 |
| mortenmj | DawnFoster: you seem to always place these within weeks of exam season. care to push it back by about a month? | 18:56 |
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| w00t | mortenmj: they coincide nearby with release dates | 18:57 |
| DawnFoster | mortenmj: unfortunately, we're slaves to our release schedule (end of Oct / end of April) | 18:57 |
| mortenmj | w00t: i didn't actually expect anyone to change the date, but if you'd care to move the release dates about a month back as well that would be swell! | 18:57 |
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| mortenmj | i can probably attend. just have to start reading a few days earlier, to compensate | 18:58 |
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| Texrat | GAN900 I just worry about my USB connectors... :O | 19:01 |
| mortenmj | DawnFoster: how does it feel to be done with the conference? are you slightly less stressed out now? | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | mortenmj: feel good to be done - now just swamped with wrap-up stuff :) | 19:02 |
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| DawnFoster | I'm working today and then taking the rest of the month off for the US Thanksgiving holiday | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | so I have about a month work of work to cram into today :) | 19:03 |
| DawnFoster | no pressure | 19:03 |
| mortenmj | yeah, no big | 19:03 |
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| Texrat | I am looking for a good sling-style pack that will work with Ideapad, suggestions welcomed | 19:04 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, camera or no? | 19:05 |
| Texrat | GAN900 ? | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | Lowepro has one for dslrs and laptops. | 19:05 |
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| GAN900 | But dunno for just laptops. | 19:05 |
| GAN900 | Maybe Case Logic. | 19:05 |
| Texrat | GAN900 I've seen a few of those... eipi has one that also has cell phone pocket on strap-- I like that, but not sure if Ideapad fits in | 19:06 |
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| Texrat | GAN900 it would be nice if I could bring Ideapad into stores and test out packs | 19:07 |
| Texrat | I may make a mockup | 19:07 |
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| NooBmonk3y | evening tex :) | 19:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | liked rev's present :) | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | hey NooBmonk3y | 19:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | hey Cos :) | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening alls :) | 19:09 |
| Texrat | ah, the coffee mug? lol | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah was brilliant :) | 19:09 |
| Texrat | leinir and timoph got them too | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | awww cool! | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lovely idea :) | 19:09 |
| Texrat | I tend to hand those out a lot at events | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe! | 19:09 |
| Texrat | given away about 15 by now | 19:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | cool! :) - Texrat - remembered all over the world ;) | 19:09 |
| Texrat | although who the hell wants to be an honorary TEXAN these days??? | 19:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Texrat, the irish at the mo? looking at their finances ;) | 19:10 |
| Texrat | state is regtreating to dark ages | 19:10 |
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| Texrat | retreating* | 19:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | did you have a good time at the meego conf? :) | 19:10 |
| Texrat | absolutely! | 19:11 |
| lcuk | theres a marked difference in display brightness characteristics between different lenovo models. the s10-3t is very bright and crisp and the colors seem balanced. | 19:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | no chance i can make the sisco one next year, but gonna see if i can get to finland :) | 19:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | wohoooooooooo! | 19:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening lcuk | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | hey NooBmonk3y \o | 19:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, did you bring the irish luck with you tonight? | 19:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | Maecount, finally packaged, in extras-devel and working! | 19:13 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, I had the luck when I arrived | 19:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol ;) | 19:13 |
| lcuk | I had to change it back to lcuk though :P | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, my Slingback 202 fits my Mini 9 but not the Lenovo. | 19:14 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, you are right about the formatting of the badges. it would be useful when registering for other events to have a clearer idea of the format | 19:14 |
| Texrat | GAN900 bummer | 19:14 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol | 19:14 |
| Texrat | so who has ordered Ideapad power connectors to replace UK one? | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | Texrat, the plug adapter with the triple tunnel connector? | 19:15 |
| * fcrozat exchanged his with one spare from IT department, since most people have thinkpad here :) | 19:15 | |
| Texrat | yes lcuk | 19:15 |
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| fcrozat | Texrat: you can probably find some at dealextreme.com | 19:16 |
| adeus | anyone considering to buy a 3g modem to put inside it? | 19:16 |
| Texrat | I found the whole thing cheap at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-NetBook-Adapter-IdeaPad-NoteBook/dp/B002MA8S5K | 19:16 |
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| * fcrozat wonders if a crystal hd card would fit | 19:17 | |
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| Texrat | although I don't like that it connects to Ideapad straight in... right angle connector is much better | 19:18 |
| adeus | there's a empty mini pci-e slot inside | 19:18 |
| adeus | so it should | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's a sim slot, how does that interface with an eventual modem? | 19:19 |
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| adeus | my understanding is "automatically" if you actually have a modem | 19:19 |
| adeus | in the pci-e slot | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 19:19 |
| zinit | it has the sim reader, it just needs the card to controle it | 19:19 |
| zinit | those that are approved and doesnt require you to hack your bios cost from 60ÂÂ euros and up as far as I have seen | 19:20 |
| adeus | http://bit.ly/cMdpPn | 19:20 |
| adeus | I was thinki about something like that | 19:21 |
| fcrozat | adeus: good to know, I didn't check about pci-e | 19:21 |
| Texrat | here's a 2-prong charger for US use cheap at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s10-42312au-s10-42312cu-s10-42312du-s10-423132u-s10-423135u/dp/B003U8HXDG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1290187236&sr=1-1 | 19:21 |
| zinit | has one availeable pci slot | 19:21 |
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| zinit | opened mine last night to check up on it | 19:22 |
| zinit | has 2 pci slots, one has the wlan/BT card, and one is empty | 19:22 |
| Texrat | ha! was 2 of those chargers left, but I just snagged one | 19:22 |
| zinit | chargers? | 19:23 |
| Texrat | for Ideapad | 19:23 |
| zinit | dont you have one that came with it? | 19:23 |
| fcrozat | oh my god, people patched bios to be able to support crystalhd card | 19:23 |
| Texrat | yes, with UK plug | 19:23 |
| zinit | you just need a differrent CABLE from the charger to the wall | 19:23 |
| Texrat | I needed US, and this charger was cheap so now I have a spare | 19:23 |
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| Texrat | understood zinit | 19:23 |
| zinit | isnt it cheaper to buy a cable than a charger? | 19:24 |
| Texrat | but again, now I have a backup and cost was low | 19:24 |
| zinit | hehe | 19:24 |
| Texrat | $8 is cheap | 19:24 |
| zinit | true | 19:24 |
| zinit | the cable alone would probablt be around 5-6 | 19:24 |
| Texrat | right | 19:24 |
| Texrat | and these are small power adapaters, very likely to wear out quickly | 19:25 |
| Texrat | they get hot | 19:25 |
| Texrat | adapters* | 19:25 |
| zinit | have to get one or an adapter before the holiday.. going to italy for christmas | 19:25 |
| Texrat | I am using a universal adapter for now, works well enough | 19:25 |
| zinit | true | 19:25 |
| zinit | these machines doesnt use much power | 19:26 |
| Texrat | but damn fuses blow so easy | 19:26 |
| zinit | in ireland? | 19:26 |
| zinit | or the fuses in the charger? | 19:26 |
| Texrat | in universal adapter | 19:26 |
| zinit | probably made in ireland..... | 19:26 |
| RST38h | bad adapter | 19:26 |
| Texrat | nah, China I think | 19:26 |
| zinit | here the fuses for the buildings blow when you just look at them.. | 19:26 |
| Texrat | I've had this adapter for a long time | 19:27 |
| RST38h | anyways, your stock US laptop power adapter will happily work in europe with a 50-cent converter | 19:27 |
| Texrat | this thing not designed to handle much amperage | 19:27 |
| Texrat | true RST38h | 19:27 |
| zinit | russian, american, european, all made in taiwan | 19:27 |
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| RST38h | RatShack sells two different adapter - one for <60Wt, another for 60-300Wt | 19:27 |
| zinit | seem to remember that quote from armageddon or one of those movies:P | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | If you really need a dedicated voltage converter you can get one of these (both are flimsy though) | 19:28 |
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| Texrat | I hyave 2 universal adapaters, brought both, and one would not fit in Irish sockets | 19:28 |
| Texrat | have* | 19:28 |
| zinit | think these chargers are 100-240V so a converter shouldnt be needed | 19:28 |
| Texrat | right zinit, for most cases | 19:28 |
| zinit | yepp | 19:29 |
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| zinit | (besides some mobile chargers ofc. that shows 100-240 and when you plug them into 110 they go boom | 19:29 |
| zinit | (or vice-versa | 19:29 |
| Texrat | new universal adapters now include usb also...handy | 19:29 |
| zinit | nice:) | 19:29 |
| lardman | vice versa normally | 19:30 |
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| lardman | especially good when it's a manual switch which hasn't been switched | 19:30 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, I just assumed somebody who knew would be printing the badges. | 19:30 |
| Texrat | failure always happens at most expensive part :D | 19:30 |
| RST38h | zinit: never happened to me andI do it all the time | 19:30 |
| zinit | true... had a charger I bought in mexico, it exploded when I plugged it in here | 19:30 |
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| zinit | the manual switch is common ' | 19:30 |
| lardman | zinit: you in the USA? | 19:30 |
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| zinit | no | 19:30 |
| Texrat | a laptop will fail so that the fuse survives | 19:30 |
| zinit | I live in dublin | 19:31 |
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| lardman | we're blessed by higher voltages in this our of the world | 19:31 |
| lardman | oops | 19:31 |
| zinit | used to live in mexico some 3 years ago | 19:31 |
| lardman | this part even | 19:31 |
| Texrat | cripes I need to light my furnace, Texas is finally getting cold | 19:31 |
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| zinit | dublin is freezing and wet | 19:32 |
| slaine | has anyone figured out click and drag on these things ? | 19:32 |
| zinit | same as any touchpad | 19:32 |
| zinit | put your finger on it and pull | 19:32 |
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| lcuk | slaine, just use the screen itself ;) | 19:32 |
| zinit | works with the screen and touchpad | 19:33 |
| slaine | can't get the touchpad to do it | 19:33 |
| * lardman is just feeling jealous now | 19:33 | |
| lardman | :) | 19:33 |
| zinit | tap twice, the 2nd time, hold down and pull | 19:33 |
| zinit | first to grab, 2nd to move:P | 19:33 |
| zinit | the touchpad is sensitive, so takes some practice | 19:33 |
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| Texrat | furnace on! bring on the heat! | 19:33 |
| zinit | hehe | 19:33 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, feels downright hot here by comparison. | 19:33 |
| slaine | zinit: a cool, thanks | 19:34 |
| * RST38h opens balcony door | 19:34 | |
| Texrat | GAN900 I did not ask for a Florida weather report!!!!! | 19:34 |
| zinit | time to finish with the dinner... | 19:34 |
| RST38h | too warm here, and stuffy | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | RST38h: dude put some pants on | 19:34 |
| Texrat | lol CosmoHill | 19:34 |
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| GAN900 | Texrat, mid 70s. | 19:34 |
| Texrat | GAN900 hush | 19:34 |
| Texrat | yes we have hot air! | 19:35 |
| slaine | Yay, fixed the Qt font setup | 19:35 |
| Texrat | and I don't mean this chat | 19:35 |
| slaine | Just needed the old .font.conf trick | 19:36 |
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| Texrat | so MeeGo has a font bug (capital letter O same as zero)... I hear it uses Droid font, true? | 19:37 |
| Texrat | bug would then be filed against Android, yes? | 19:37 |
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| slaine | Yes, Google droid is the default font | 19:38 |
| Texrat | ok | 19:38 |
| Texrat | I am amazed that bug persists | 19:38 |
| Texrat | fundamental stuff | 19:38 |
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| slaine | They are different, but it's so subtle it's effectively the same font | 19:39 |
| slaine | or glyph I should say | 19:39 |
| Texrat | if there's a difference my old eyes can't see it | 19:39 |
| Texrat | need stronger distinction | 19:39 |
| RST38h | It is fixable by not using Droid fonts, right? | 19:39 |
| Texrat | lol | 19:39 |
| Texrat | yes but default should not be buggy | 19:39 |
| slaine | RST38h: yeah | 19:39 |
| Texrat | still needs to be reported, so i will | 19:39 |
| RST38h | Android is competition | 19:40 |
| * lcuk likes Nokia sans - I wonder how it would look | 19:40 | |
| Texrat | or Liberation font | 19:40 |
| slaine | lcuk: I wondered that myself | 19:40 |
| RST38h | So, using their fonts is both ironic and legally dangerous | 19:40 |
| lcuk | whats the typeface used for the meego logo? | 19:41 |
| slaine | Google Droid fonts have an ASL 2.0 license, so there shouldn't be an issue | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | slaine: who knows what google may do in the future | 19:42 |
| slaine | true | 19:42 |
| Texrat | lcuk it's a DIN font and more irony, NOT open source | 19:42 |
| slaine | Liberation fonts are in the repo's if you prefer to use those for the O0 distinction | 19:42 |
| Texrat | thanks slaine | 19:42 |
| slaine | Oh, time to commute | 19:43 |
| Texrat | DIN 1451 I think | 19:43 |
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| slaine | Catch you over the weekend I'm sure | 19:43 |
| Texrat | and not good for LCD typeface | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | ok, so how would the fontface be modified on device to try Nokia Sans as the default? | 19:44 |
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| Texrat | well, Liberation font not in default repos... wonder where | 19:45 |
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| RST38h | "The slashed zero long predates computers, and has been known to have been used in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries" | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | hrma | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | meego sdk doesn't include qt quick examples? | 20:04 |
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| poutsi | anybody have the git-fu needed to rename a remote master branch in git? | 20:08 |
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| poutsi | nevermind, force push (heh) seemed to do the trick | 20:10 |
| fcrochik | Stskeeps: sorry to bother you directly but I am pretty sure that you at least know the answer: can I get an account to access the OBS? I would like to contribute some ports of my n900 apps... | 20:12 |
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| Texrat | fcrochik I am sure David Greaves said anyone could get an account | 20:13 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: the trick question is HOW? | 20:13 |
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| fcrochik | I saw someone else asking the same question before but haven't seen an answer yet | 20:14 |
| odin_ | signup on meego.com and your account should work at https://build.pub.meego.com/ | 20:14 |
| Texrat | fcrochik ah, my bad. He answered that at the conference but I don't recall details. Is it absent from OBS wiki? | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | fcrochik, Texrat odin_ - lbt said him or X-Fade | 20:15 |
| lcuk | to get a community account for now | 20:15 |
| Texrat | thanks lcuk | 20:15 |
| lcuk | it needs an enabling flag setting on the obs side, your meego account details are used for the login and it has SSO | 20:16 |
| odin_ | ok sorry I was not at that talk :P and not had time to digest all videos, but the intention is as above (soon) | 20:16 |
| Texrat | right odin_, and no problem | 20:16 |
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| odin_ | did all the maemo/meego accounts get transfered ? (i.e. the test OBS accounts on the maemo boxes) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | odin_: think it's a clean slate | 20:18 |
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| Texrat | would a MeeGo Ovi Suite be needed to enable N900 modem tether, or is there an easier solution? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: i thought there was a usb AT-command modem exposed over usb automatically | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | provided you don't run meego on n900 ;) | 20:20 |
| Texrat | lol Stskeeps... not yet. I'll look into the modem enabling | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | fcrochik: lbt and x-fade are moderating, though i think they could need a third guy | 20:21 |
| Texrat | Ststkeeps, fcrochik it would be nice to have someone on this side of the earth ;) | 20:21 |
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| Texrat | and Asia | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | i kinda understand them, looks like there's only 3 workers.. | 20:23 |
| lcuk | Texrat, user solt in meego forums has a saneish beard on his meegon, mine looks odd in comparison | 20:23 |
| fcrochik | looking at https://build.pub.meego.com/project/list_public I can't see many (user) applications.... | 20:24 |
| Texrat | lcuk I didn't do your meegon :P | 20:24 |
| lcuk | i know | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | what I'd love is a Application Bounty programme | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | or an official place to file application ideas | 20:24 |
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| fcrochik | would be nice to tag on all the people that got netbooks and make them more usefull with some more packages | 20:25 |
| Myrtti | other than whining in a personal blog or IRC | 20:25 |
| Texrat | Myrtti we LIKE whining on IRC :P | 20:25 |
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| Texrat | seriously Myrtti I will probably start a MeeGo wiki page for that | 20:26 |
| Myrtti | Texrat: I've whined about knitting programmes for Maemo for years on IRC, and just now is someone doing something like that | 20:26 |
| Texrat | right now we are brainstorming ;) | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | fcrochik: the fun would be home: repos usually | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | Texrat: too bad your son busted the N1, could've given you an example of something I'm looking for | 20:27 |
| Texrat | Myrtti the N1 still works | 20:27 |
| Texrat | just cracked screen | 20:27 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, NooBmonk3y is a good guy | 20:27 |
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| Texrat | ok my plan is to create an app request/status wiki page... | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | I might have a justification in getting an Android tablet just to be able to run LittleKnitter on a tad bigger screen than on my phone | 20:28 |
| Myrtti | *might* | 20:29 |
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| Texrat | I see these fields: existing app (porting), description, champion, project link(s), notes... anything else? | 20:29 |
| Texrat | also will need sections for app, drivers, etc | 20:30 |
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| Myrtti | Texrat: perhaps a RfaA with a template and instructions on how to make subpages using the template | 20:30 |
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| Texrat | sorry Myrtti you lost me | 20:31 |
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| Myrtti | Texrat: Request for an Application, with a list of requests and a template for creating a new one as a subpage | 20:31 |
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| Texrat | ah ok myrtti | 20:32 |
| Myrtti | I'd really love a spot for screenmockups | 20:32 |
| Texrat | that would be a good link for MeeGo Gretters to add | 20:32 |
| Texrat | Greeters* | 20:32 |
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| Myrtti | Texrat: did you see the other day I found a stencil for Android app mockup development | 20:33 |
| Texrat | no | 20:33 |
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| Myrtti | Texrat: http://www.uistencils.com/products/android-stencil-kit | 20:33 |
| Texrat | thanks | 20:33 |
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| Myrtti | it's pre 2.1 but looks brilliant, I'm trying to forget ever seeing it so I wouldn't buy it | 20:34 |
| Texrat | lol | 20:34 |
| Texrat | you know I was wondering how useful I would find a netbook and this Lenovo has me pleasantly surprised | 20:35 |
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| Texrat | and MeeGo more mature than some claim ;) | 20:35 |
| Texrat | works well for "vaporware" | 20:35 |
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| Myrtti | please tell me that nobody has yet ported Xournal with sane GUI to MeeGo | 20:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | what did i miss? | 20:40 |
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| NooBmonk3y | and lol ty lcuk | 20:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | Myrtti, you talking about maecount? :P lol | 20:41 |
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| NooBmonk3y | only reason that appeared is because it was 30ish lines of code and rev'd kathy asked :P | 20:41 |
| fcrochik | Texrat: I was wrong... you don't even need to download the qt creator package, you can just install it using "sudo zypper install qt-creator" | 20:42 |
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| fcrochik | Texrat: you probably will want to install some other packages too (like docs)... let me know if you decide to cross the bridge to the dark side :) | 20:43 |
| Myrtti | well it is something it it's form that I have requested and begged for years for Maemo... combined with sane xournal it would be brilliant... but alas I have no N900 and I'm not getting on either unless a miracle strikes | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | awwww :( | 20:43 |
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| NooBmonk3y | not sure maecount will go any further as i want to get back to healthcheck for now :) - but it's supply and demand i spose :p i've never knitted in my life :P | 20:44 |
| Texrat | thanks fcrochik! running sys update now after repo add, will test in a minute | 20:44 |
| Myrtti | NooBmonk3y: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3115615183/ | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | and of course http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3571275234/ | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | that's the xournal from... HE2007 prolly | 20:46 |
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| Myrtti | awwww the comment on the first picture... *sigh* | 20:47 |
| Myrtti | oh well, it's a lost cause for me now | 20:47 |
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| w00t_ | can I get an account on the community OBS, assuming it's now somewhat useful for hacking on meego packages? X-Fade? | 20:49 |
| Texrat | fcrochik I just launched Qt Creator on Ideapad-- THANKS!!! :) | 20:50 |
| timoph | Texrat: :) | 20:50 |
| Texrat | hi timoph! | 20:50 |
| timoph | hi | 20:50 |
| Texrat | it's time to code!!!!! | 20:50 |
| timoph | go for it | 20:50 |
| Texrat | me looks for something easy to port | 20:50 |
| * Texrat | 20:51 | |
| w00t_ | Texrat: that means getting off IRC :-D | 20:51 |
| Texrat | that is | 20:51 |
| * w00t_ ducks | 20:51 | |
| timoph | fix the screen rotation :) | 20:51 |
| Texrat | later w00t_ :P | 20:51 |
| Texrat | eh timoph I will focus on porting existing apps | 20:51 |
| Texrat | easier to start | 20:51 |
| timoph | yep | 20:51 |
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| Texrat | plan to add a meego wiki page for port requests | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | wow Myrtti impressive | 20:52 |
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| timoph | good idea. In most cases you only need to package existing stuff | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | assuming that software is not portable? | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | NooBmonk3y: what, xournal? sure, has been installable in N900 since the beginning - it just happens to be totally unusable for the knitting pattern use, if I remember my experience running Maemo 5 in scratchbox correctly | 20:54 |
| w00t_ | panic | 20:54 |
| * timoph drinking cola from honorary texan mug (Thanks again Texrat) | 20:55 | |
| NooBmonk3y | i meant the knitting thing | 20:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | or is that xournel? | 20:55 |
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| Myrtti | NooBmonk3y: that is xournal, I printed the patterns to pdf and viewed them in xournal, which gave the option for pdf annotation in yellow | 20:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh cool | 20:56 |
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| vicarious- | Hi all, I need help, I'm trying to install meego 1.1 as a vm on my laptop. I get through most of the install, but then it seems to hang or something. The last screen I get is the one where it asks you to create a username and password. Once I click on the forward button, I just get a blank screen. :( | 20:57 |
| vicarious- | Any suggestions/advice? | 20:57 |
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| Texrat | damn, I want to design meegons on the Ideapad! must... have... Inkscape... | 21:00 |
| vicarious- | can anyone actually provide assistance? | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | vicarious-: what laptop specs? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | vicarious-: as far as i know, VM's aren't well supporttd | 21:01 |
| vicarious- | 2.25 GHz Pentium M | 21:01 |
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| vicarious- | Sorry, its not actually a Pentium M, it's a Core 2 Duo | 21:02 |
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| timoph | Texrat: I'll try to build inkscape in the community obs | 21:02 |
| vicarious- | I know VM's are well-supported, just do the best you can ;) | 21:02 |
| vicarious- | oops: arent | 21:02 |
| lcuk | does the install wizard run in composited (ie 3d requiring mode) or is it a simple ui until the main desktop starts? | 21:02 |
| timoph | hopefully I don | 21:02 |
| lcuk | timoph ++ :D | 21:03 |
| Texrat | timoph would it be that easy? after reading on it last night people sounded pessimistic | 21:03 |
| timoph | 't need to package a lot dependencies for it | 21:03 |
| timoph | :) | 21:03 |
| vicarious- | lcuk: its not in 3d, it's just basically a text-driven menu | 21:03 |
| timoph | this uk keyboard is weird | 21:03 |
| Texrat | ah timoph maybe I'm just thinking of the conversation about converting Inkscape to Qt | 21:03 |
| timoph | oh | 21:04 |
| Texrat | timoph even lcuk says it's weird :D | 21:04 |
| lcuk | timoph, its slightly different even for myself as a uk guy :P | 21:04 |
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| Texrat | see | 21:04 |
| timoph | :) | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: i wouldn't mind a plugin to convert from inkscape to qt qml/quick, just like from photoshop | 21:04 |
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| Texrat | btw timoph thanks once again for helping with BoF! | 21:04 |
| Texrat | enjoy the mug | 21:05 |
| lcuk | animated svg to code mm | 21:05 |
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| Myrtti | while you're at it, build xournal too to add injury to the insult | 21:05 |
| Myrtti | if it's not already built | 21:05 |
| timoph | I planning to set the keyboard to finnish and buy some stickers to mark the keys | 21:05 |
| Texrat | lol timoph | 21:05 |
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| Myrtti | timoph: I did that for my home office keyboard in UK | 21:05 |
| Myrtti | amazon ftw! | 21:06 |
| * lcuk would add a bacon button | 21:06 | |
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| lcuk | perhaps the superkey would suffice | 21:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay! | 21:06 |
| * NooBmonk3y agrees | 21:06 | |
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| Texrat | Stskeeps I found talk of an Inkscape/Gimp/scribus suite interesting | 21:06 |
| Texrat | but Scribus would need a LOT of work | 21:07 |
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| Texrat | I hate its workflow | 21:07 |
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| Myrtti | I would've thought it would need less work as it's already Qt | 21:07 |
| Texrat | but-- if someone can create such a suite, think of the draw it would have (literally) | 21:07 |
| julienf | Good evening all. | 21:07 |
| Texrat | hey julienf | 21:07 |
| Texrat | ahh--whooooooo!!! | 21:07 |
| Saviq | hello all | 21:08 |
| Texrat | hey Saviq | 21:08 |
| Saviq | nice turnup | 21:08 |
| julienf | hey Texrat :) | 21:08 |
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| Texrat | nice crowd here today | 21:08 |
| vicarious- | help | 21:08 |
| Saviq | we need a wiki page of issues-to-be-fixed on the ideapad | 21:08 |
| Texrat | and so many of us on our Ideapads :D | 21:08 |
| julienf | anyone has tried to compile IRSSI? | 21:09 |
| Texrat | Saviq one is created or in the works | 21:09 |
| lcuk | vicarious-, which set of instructions are you following | 21:09 |
| Saviq | cool, /me wanna see | 21:09 |
| lcuk | and have you read everything on the page and got the required chipset etc | 21:09 |
| Texrat | see this thread Saviq: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1995 | 21:09 |
| Myrtti | julienf: remind me again why would anyone run irssi locally? | 21:09 |
| julienf | Texrat: yes indeed :) Love the machine. Already upgraded to 2GB RAM and had a look at the PCIe for 3G modem. | 21:09 |
| Saviq | re compiling, lbt, X-Fade, I can has OBS account enabled? | 21:10 |
| Texrat | julienf source for ram? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | Texrat, thats similar to the page I started on my talk page http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Lcuk | 21:10 |
| timoph | ~seen lbt | 21:10 |
| infobot | lbt <~david@if1.bbballco.sites.bitbuzz.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 52m 24s ago, saying: 'I guess you found how messed up the image is by now...'. | 21:10 |
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| Texrat | right lcuk as I replied to you eariler :P | 21:10 |
| Texrat | earlier* | 21:10 |
| julienf | Myrtti: cause my server isn't running properly these days? and I can't just ssh and screen there... :D | 21:11 |
| lcuk | timoph, lbt flew to london only this afternoon | 21:11 |
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| timoph | ah | 21:11 |
| lcuk | I guess he is still decompressing and stretching out after a full week | 21:11 |
| timoph | need to bug him about the community obs at some point | 21:11 |
| julienf | Texrat: I had 2GB in an eeepc701 so I just swapped the modules and it works | 21:11 |
| Texrat | I would have liked to stay in Dublin one more day | 21:11 |
| Texrat | ah ok julienf | 21:11 |
| julienf | Texrat: no idea of performance right now, but can see a bit of speed up. Will look into more details when I have more time | 21:12 |
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| timoph | download / repo link don't work | 21:12 |
| Texrat | julienf 2g will be useful for graphics and audio work | 21:12 |
| Texrat | also spreadsheets | 21:12 |
| Texrat | been there suffered lack of that | 21:12 |
| julienf | Texrat: I just wanted to figure out what was below the bottom door so I just unscrewed it and decided to play :) | 21:13 |
| Texrat | my goal: make this my default device :D | 21:13 |
| julienf | might not need it so far but it doesn | 21:13 |
| julienf | t | 21:13 |
| julienf | hurt.. | 21:13 |
| Texrat | julienf I am very impressed at performance so fart | 21:15 |
| Texrat | lol | 21:15 |
| Texrat | far* | 21:15 |
| Texrat | am stress-testing MeeGo on Ideapad and it is surpassing Windows XP re web usage ;) | 21:16 |
| tripzero | meego handset? | 21:16 |
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| julienf | Texrat: want to see if I can do some dev on it. | 21:20 |
| Saviq | julienf: you had some talk earlier today? can you share what / where was it? | 21:21 |
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| Texrat | julienf install QT Creator: sudo zypper install qt-creator | 21:21 |
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| Saviq | the virtual keyboard is running there, only problem it's a bit too persistent | 21:22 |
| Saviq | and overlaps half of the screen | 21:22 |
| Saviq | s/is running there/can run on netbook/ | 21:22 |
| vicarious- | c'mon, no one's gonna even try to help me? | 21:22 |
| Texrat | Saviq is it opaque or translucent\/ | 21:22 |
| Saviq | Texrat: opaque | 21:22 |
| Texrat | feh | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | vicarious-: when it's a vm check the wiki, but you're really on your own with a unsupported config | 21:23 |
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| Texrat | should have transparency level setting | 21:23 |
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| julienf | Saviq: was a talk on mobile, its evolution/revolution and what are the opportunities right now for software developers | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | vicarious-: only VM method supported atm is qemu based | 21:23 |
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| julienf | Saviq: was at a 118tracker.com | 21:23 |
| vicarious- | ok, can you give me a link to the wiki? | 21:23 |
| julienf | Texrat: installation in progress but will be stressing the wireless at starbucks... :D | 21:23 |
| julienf | Texrat: worked but now need to figure out if I can get the Nokia SDK for Symbian :) | 21:25 |
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| Saviq | vicarious-: try http://wiki.meego.com, btw what VM? | 21:26 |
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| luist | hey i installer my meego application in the new 1.1 and the fonts are all messed up... seems to the in bad quality and resolution, when all other applications are still normal... what could it be? i tried to rebuild the package in the new system but its still the same | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | could you screenshot it? | 21:33 |
| luist | hm.. i think so just a sec | 21:33 |
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| luist | Stskeeps: imagebin.org/123987 | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | looks like bad antialiasing | 21:36 |
| luist | Stskeeps: yup.. so what could it be | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | try to install qtconfig-qt4 maybe | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug, eventually | 21:36 |
| luist | Stskeeps: i dont see qtconfig-qt4 in meego repos | 21:37 |
| julienf | btw, if you are into "werewolf", we started a page to enhance the game for next conf :) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Werewolf#Possible_Variations | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | julienf, 3 AM werewolf just isn't right. :P | 21:38 |
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| julienf | GAN900: I | 21:38 |
| julienf | GAN900: I've never played like that, was really amazing... Learned so much... | 21:39 |
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| GAN900 | When are we gonna have the MeeGo application? ;) | 21:41 |
| hena | the killer app? | 21:41 |
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| julienf | have you guys been talking with Thomas already?? :D | 21:42 |
| julienf | we had a chat at the airport and we came up with a concept for next conference | 21:42 |
| julienf | a killer game | 21:43 |
| julienf | that we | 21:43 |
| julienf | we'd play in real life but using our phones to know our targets and progress through the game | 21:43 |
| julienf | goal would be to meet people, discover the venue before hand, engage more with the sessions and have fun :) | 21:43 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: are you on your normal comp? | 21:44 |
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| pupnik | julienf: write the idea up and post it somewhere | 21:44 |
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| Chani | Texrat: oh, you're that meegon guy? .. i can haz? :) | 21:45 |
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| pupnik | you must do nice things for Texrat :P | 21:47 |
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| julienf | pupnik: am working on that as we speak :) | 21:47 |
| Texrat | sure Chani, ask at forum.meego.com, Community Matters | 21:48 |
| Texrat | yes Chani like pupnik who made sure I could stay in Tampere cheaply :D | 21:48 |
| Myrtti | right, I give up. I remembered BF has gone down to London for a concert with his bro so no video call for me tonight... | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | good night | 21:49 |
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| DawnFoster | hey julienf! | 21:50 |
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| DawnFoster | julienf: when you get the page, can you link to it from here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Ideas_for_fun_activities | 21:51 |
| RST38h | gnight myrtti | 21:51 |
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| DawnFoster | also, anyone else with ideas for fun stuff to do at the May conference should add it there, too | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | creating qmlmockups, in groups | 21:52 |
| RST38h | may actually end up as a useful way of letting potentialusers design the ui, then passing it up to developers | 21:52 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: update the page, it's already there :) | 21:53 |
| DawnFoster | julienf: awesome! I love it when people are already several steps ahead of me :) | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | makes my job easy | 21:54 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: am writing the content right now | 21:54 |
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| julienf | DawnFoster: content updated, more to come | 22:02 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, i have to object to the killer/assassin style games where folks are slain in the night | 22:04 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:04 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: just because we kept killing you off :) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | i only had one game and managed to last till the final group | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | Assassin's Creed? | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Killer | 22:06 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Ideas_for_fun_activities | 22:07 |
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| DawnFoster | lcuk: we'll leave it up to you to add a game that involves fuzzy kittens or something less violent :) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 22:08 |
| lcuk | we could let dawn come up with some kind of bear related one :P | 22:08 |
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| julienf | |:D | 22:08 |
| DawnFoster | nah, revdkathy would have to come up with the bear game :) | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | werebears | 22:09 |
| DawnFoster | If you can't assassinate / lynch your friends in good fun, then it isn't really a proper game for conferences :) | 22:09 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: oooh, I like that idea | 22:10 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, eek of course I meant kathy lol | 22:10 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I assumed that - I'm not really the cuddly teddy bear type | 22:10 |
| * lcuk is tired | 22:10 | |
| DawnFoster | I loved that her bear made a cameo in most of her conference photos :) | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | Ha | 22:11 |
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| * julienf is having a hard time learning the wiki formating... | 22:11 | |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:11 |
| lcuk | that bear had its own ticket to the brewery | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | I got one of her creeping it into the picture of everybody trying to fix the audio on her Lenovo. | 22:11 |
| vladimiroff | is there planning about meego for netbooks to migrate Qt apps only? | 22:11 |
| DawnFoster | julienf: it gets easier over time - ping me if anything gets really mangled | 22:12 |
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| vladimiroff | There are almost only GNOME applications... | 22:12 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: thx, should be able to get it done :) | 22:13 |
| erani | hmmh. does this mean that even open source solutions of video encoding using gpu is not legal? http://goo.gl/Xie8 | 22:14 |
| DawnFoster | julienf: yeah, it's not really that bad - just offering help like a good community manager (just in case) :) | 22:14 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: appreciate :) | 22:14 |
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| julienf | DawnFoster: can you check the page and tell me what you think (formating wise essentially?) | 22:16 |
| DawnFoster | julienf: looks good! | 22:17 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: still some few things to fix, doing that now. | 22:17 |
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| julienf | would be interesting to see if we can design a fully open source game, up to the strategy itself and so on :) | 22:19 |
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| GAN900 | and then sell consulting services to help companies provide it at their own conferences! *g* | 22:20 |
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| lpotter | vladimiroff: I am wondering that as well... | 22:22 |
| julienf | GAN900: haha :D if not selling, at least providing the analytics and showing that how it helped or made the conference worse :D | 22:22 |
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| * GAN900 <- "guy in the hat" by the way. | 22:24 | |
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| * julienf <- other "guy in the hat" but mostly french :D | 22:25 | |
| julienf | ok, time for me to hit the road | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | what did the road ever do to you? | 22:26 |
| julienf | thanks for the conversations and let's keep on having fun until next spring | 22:26 |
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| julienf | CosmoHill: not much yet, it's preventive... for when I'll be too close to it... | 22:27 |
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| marnanel | does anyone have an idea why meego's X server, under qemu, should die with the message "no screens found", even when qemu was given -vga std? Image is meego-handset-ia32-mtf-1.1-sda.bin . | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | Terminator Salvation, good film? | 22:28 |
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| pupnik | opinions on 'good film' vary too greatly to compress into this space | 22:30 |
| julienf | CosmoHill: just watch it and let us know :) | 22:30 |
| pupnik | marnanel: actually relevant to my interests. Have you gotten the older one running? | 22:30 |
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| CosmoHill | pupnik: it's friday night, I'm single and all my friends are busy | 22:31 |
| marnanel | pupnik: not under qemu, no. I did have it running on an N900 earlier | 22:31 |
| pupnik | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3854 this your bug, marnanel ? | 22:31 |
| julienf | CosmoHill: where are you based? | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | UK | 22:31 |
| julienf | CosmoHill: I figured that out, but where? :D | 22:31 |
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| CosmoHill | south east | 22:32 |
| julienf | too far from London I guess? | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | I could take the train pretty easy | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | I mean physically it's easy | 22:32 |
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| marnanel | pupnik: hm, could well be that. Looks like I'm out of luck. | 22:32 |
| pupnik | Ok CosmoHill - i reccommend "Jean de Florette" and "Manon des Sources" | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | sounds like you're trying to each me french | 22:33 |
| pupnik | make it a double feature :) | 22:33 |
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| marnanel | I really liked Manon des Sources. the trick ending surprised me | 22:33 |
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| julienf | we could catch up at some point in London then. Tonight am gonna try to sleep as I've been lacking of that lately... some of you might know why.. | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | oh the conference thingy | 22:34 |
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| julienf | the game thingy :D | 22:35 |
| pupnik | too bad watching meego conference videos requires flash | 22:35 |
| DawnFoster | someone was organizing UK Meego meetups at some point | 22:35 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: if you | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | >.> | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | <.< | 22:35 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: you've got a contact, let me know. I was thinking of looking that up.. | 22:35 |
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| DawnFoster | yeah, hang on a sec | 22:35 |
| julienf | DawnFoster: send me an email, I've got to run. :) | 22:36 |
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| DawnFoster | julienf: will do | 22:36 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 22:39 |
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| rhkfin | Built my first meego rpm seconds ago, qemu still downloading.. | 22:49 |
| rhkfin | Is it so that installing meego on uSD for N900 or changing the bootloadre or something disables the warranty of N900? | 22:49 |
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| Mat_Matan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHTr2Z82Ao&list=UL87M0U48es84&playnext=3 | 23:02 |
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| marnanel | does anyone know what particular image was on the usb keys used to install MeeGo at the conference? I've managed to trash my installation already | 23:25 |
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| Saviq | marnanel: did you get the one with Atheros or Broadcom wifi? AFAIK the only difference from downloadable netbook images | 23:28 |
| marnanel | Broadcom | 23:28 |
| Saviq | was that 'the one with the red stripe on the back' had BCM's fw included | 23:28 |
| marnanel | yeah, the red stripe one | 23:28 |
| Saviq | you should be able to just grab the standard image and then add the firmware | 23:29 |
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| marnanel | okay, lovely. thanks. | 23:29 |
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| notmart | putting the ideapad on good use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4-Q1ZoLQE | 23:47 |
| DawnFoster | the image used was a recent version of 1.2 trunk (not 1.1) just FYI | 23:47 |
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| marnanel | DawnFoster: thanks! | 23:58 |
| rhkfin | notmart: NICE!!! | 23:58 |
| notmart | we are having a code sprint right now | 23:59 |
| notmart | hopefully in the end there will be packages for people to try :p | 23:59 |
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