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| jonnor-meegoconf | I am having problems with the repositories for Meego 1.1 Netbook (unable to resolve repo.meego.com) | 01:07 |
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| jonnor-meegoconf | Is anyone else seeing the same problem, or is it just my network/setup | 01:07 |
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| niala | jonnor-meegoconf: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ works for me | 01:09 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | Hmm. Interestingly enough Chromium can connect to two http services I cannot from a terminal, including repo.meego.com | 01:10 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | Im at the conference hotel, which wifi uses a proxy so maybe that is it... | 01:10 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | niala: thanks | 01:11 |
| niala | hey so nice conference ? | 01:11 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | Yes, very good apart from this little issue | 01:11 |
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| niala | jonnor-meegoconf: you were at aviva stadium? who win | 01:13 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | niala: Norway! | 01:14 |
| jonnor-meegoconf | and being norwegian that is of course a bit fun. Even though I dont really care about football | 01:15 |
| niala | yes just funny | 01:16 |
| niala | jonnor-meegoconf: the public was more us? european? asian? | 01:17 |
| niala | i mean conf not football | 01:17 |
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| jonnor-meegoconf | fairly well distributed I'd say. Of course being in Europe there are probably mostly europeans, but a healthy number of people from Asia and the US | 01:19 |
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| josu | niala: http://conference2010.meego.com/news/just-few-days-left-tips-and-directions There is a chart "MeeGo Conference participants by origin" | 01:20 |
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| niala | interresting | 01:21 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:01 |
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| gustavoferreira | Termana good morning for you xD here is 00:24 xD ahah | 02:24 |
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| Jucato | almost noon for Termana :) | 02:33 |
| Termana | It is 11am - but also: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 02:34 |
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| wistler42 | hi all ... am new to MeeGo. | 02:37 |
| wistler42 | been using it for just a few days now. | 02:38 |
| wistler42 | am also new to IRC, so forgive me if I step out of bounds. | 02:38 |
| WIIman | hi | 02:39 |
| wistler42 | need quick help with MeeGo on Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t netbook. | 02:39 |
| wistler42 | hi WIIman | 02:39 |
| WIIman | what with | 02:39 |
| wistler42 | external mic. | 02:39 |
| wistler42 | don't know how to set it up. | 02:40 |
| wistler42 | i already gave up on the internal mic, because i read in the forums that the one in s10-3t wasn't yet supported. | 02:40 |
| WIIman | lol wish i could help on a dell mini 10 and never bother with thexternal nic at least no yet | 02:40 |
| wistler42 | hmm | 02:41 |
| wistler42 | :P | 02:41 |
| WIIman | look in settings though | 02:41 |
| WIIman | might be something there | 02:41 |
| WIIman | mic mght be muted | 02:41 |
| WIIman | muted | 02:41 |
| WIIman | cant type lol | 02:41 |
| wistler42 | i tried to see what i could. i believe i've got pulseaudio, but i tried all the buttons on the panels. .. but couldn't find anything that worked. | 02:42 |
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| WIIman | hmm not sure then . tryed diffrent mic ? | 02:45 |
| WIIman | one sec lett me look at something | 02:45 |
| wistler42 | what i saw in the hardware "config?" screen was about 5 profiles: Off, Analog Stereo Input, Digital Stereo Duplex (IEC958), [Dig. Stereo Output + Ana. Ste. Inp], Ana. Ste. Out., and Ana. Ste. Duplex. Only the last one allows me to hear stuff on the speakers, otherwise they don't work on other profiles.. | 02:45 |
| wistler42 | no, this mic was the only one i have. :( | 02:46 |
| wistler42 | it's brand new though ... i dunno if it works yet ... directly plugged it in to try to get it to work with MeeGo. | 02:46 |
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| pupnik | i would use standard linux debug methods | 02:49 |
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| wistler42 | erm ... what would those be ? | 02:49 |
| WIIman | under sound in settings ? check input | 02:49 |
| WIIman | see if mic is detected | 02:49 |
| WIIman | wont work if its not seen | 02:50 |
| wistler42 | no, only one selection is available: Internal Audio Analog Stereo | 02:50 |
| wistler42 | :-( | 02:50 |
| wistler42 | :P | 02:50 |
| wistler42 | hmm | 02:51 |
| WIIman | no mic then sorry | 02:51 |
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| WIIman | try an onother brand | 02:51 |
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| wistler42 | will have to find one | 02:51 |
| WIIman | good luck | 02:51 |
| wistler42 | ok, np. thanks. | 02:52 |
| WIIman | np | 02:52 |
| pupnik | is there a /proc/asound on meego? | 02:52 |
| wistler42 | yes... | 02:52 |
| wistler42 | i seem to have it ... | 02:53 |
| pupnik | should list your input/output devices | 02:53 |
| pupnik | but i'm not sure how it works with pulseaudio and so on | 02:53 |
| wistler42 | hmm, dunno how to use it. | 02:54 |
| pupnik | but if it's exposing the device via alsa, you might be able to use alsa tricks to discover and activate the internal mic | 02:54 |
| pupnik | well wistler42 - the ideapad is a very common device for meego dev folks, it seems | 02:55 |
| pupnik | maybe you should post in the bugtracker or forum, as it might be something affecting more people | 02:55 |
| wistler42 | :-) me lucky? | 02:55 |
| wistler42 | lol | 02:55 |
| wistler42 | wish everything was working smoothly though. | 02:55 |
| wistler42 | i believe meego's got the change to go that far. | 02:56 |
| pupnik | there's wishing, and there's making it happen | 02:56 |
| WIIman | yeh i thought alsa but no alsaconfig so i figurde no alsa | 02:56 |
| WIIman | so didnt sugest that to him | 02:56 |
| WIIman | i tryed it in terminal | 02:57 |
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| wistler42 | i saw alsa-info, and ran it ... it printed out a huge file of stuff. | 02:58 |
| wistler42 | didn't know how to read it :P | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | wistler42: more card0/pcm0c/info << for example that on my computer has some info on the capture | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | anyway, i'd post to forum | 03:00 |
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| wistler42 | # cat card0/pcm0c/info | 03:01 |
| wistler42 | card: 0 | 03:01 |
| wistler42 | device: 0 | 03:01 |
| wistler42 | subdevice: 0 | 03:01 |
| wistler42 | stream: CAPTURE | 03:01 |
| wistler42 | id: CONEXANT Analog | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | name: CONEXANT Analog | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | subname: subdevice #0 | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | class: 0 | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | subclass: 0 | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | subdevices_count: 1 | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | subdevices_avail: 0 | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | hmm, ok .. will try the forums, too. | 03:02 |
| Dorfmeister | Hi. I'm trying to get dual boot working on my N900. I downloaded the image and performed dd bs=4096 if=/home/Dorfmeister/Downloads/00SanDisk/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.6.20101116.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 of=/dev/sdb. I also installed the uboot boot loader. However, when I try booting from MMC it doesn't work and boots Maemo instead. How can I solve this? Thanks in advance. | 03:02 |
| wistler42 | i thought the IRC channel was more active | 03:02 |
| Dorfmeister | It says "Wrong image format for bootm command" | 03:03 |
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| pupnik | wistler42: i got the same class of hardware | 03:05 |
| pupnik | Dorfmeister: maybe you need to uncompress the bz2 image? | 03:06 |
| wistler42 | pupnik, do you have internal or external mic working on your hardware ? | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | internal working great using plain old sidux | 03:07 |
| pupnik | or aptosid rather | 03:07 |
| pupnik | you got an alsamixer available for download wistler42 ? | 03:07 |
| wistler42 | i think i do ... i can see alsamixer installed .. i must have done that while trying things in vain. | 03:08 |
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| wistler42 | you said "sidux" or "aptosid" | 03:08 |
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| wistler42 | how do i get/use aptosid ? | 03:10 |
| WIIman | lol try sudo alsamixer | 03:11 |
| WIIman | i didnt do sudo first time | 03:11 |
| WIIman | not usualy needed | 03:11 |
| wistler42 | ok.. | 03:12 |
| wistler42 | lemme give it a shot | 03:12 |
| WIIman | un mute mic if available | 03:12 |
| WIIman | or turn it up | 03:14 |
| WIIman | if unn muted | 03:14 |
| WIIman | may work dont know | 03:14 |
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| wistler42 | i tried sudo alsamixer ... this time i saw more options ... esp for recording devices. | 03:21 |
| wistler42 | and i saw mic in there set to low vol. | 03:21 |
| Dorfmeister | pupnik: Thank you. That really solved my problem. I just forgot the decompression. Stupid me. | 03:22 |
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| wistler42 | i increased it, and could see a little bit of 'green' on the indicator in Settings/Sounds/Input, but when using Sound Recorder, I still couldn't hear anything.. | 03:22 |
| wistler42 | i feel it's a little closer to the solution, i just have to keep digging. | 03:23 |
| wistler42 | thanks WIIman | 03:23 |
| WIIman | no | 03:23 |
| WIIman | problem | 03:23 |
| WIIman | lol | 03:23 |
| pupnik | Dorfmeister: i honestly wasn't sure - who knows maybe there's a bz2 filesystem out there :) | 03:26 |
| pupnik | it would be nice if alsamixer also showed you current signal levels in a side-bar | 03:27 |
| dave11 | guys, what am i doing wrong? im trying to flash my n900 | 03:30 |
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| dave11 | when i put: run sudo flasher-3.5.exe -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F | 03:30 |
| dave11 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 03:30 |
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| dave11 | it shows that run isn't recognized as an internal or external operable program or bath file | 03:31 |
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| philipp64|laptop | howdy. was wondering what the likelihood of getting linux-ocf into meego (given that it's a BSD license)? | 04:28 |
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| Dorfmeister | Hi. I just installed Meego on my N900 (to a microSD card) and now want to add NITDroid as well, but even though I find many threads there doesn't seem to be a good tutorial for this. Could anybody help with this? I know it's not a direct topic of this channel, but maybe somebody here could help - I already tried #n900 and the Nokia forum. Thanks in advance. | 05:35 |
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| Dorfmeister | I started the thread http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?213768-Yet-another-N900-Maemo-Meego-NITDroid-Thread If anybody should later on have an idea, please post it there. Thank you. | 05:48 |
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| philipp64|laptop | hmmm.... didn't see a response, so I'm guessing the chances are 'slim' to 'none'. | 06:42 |
| mgoddard|nok | philipp64|laptop: probably wrong time of day | 06:42 |
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| dm8tbr | good moarning | 09:56 |
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| stephg | ohai! | 09:58 |
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| stephg | is v. quiet this morning, I suppose lots of folks are on their way home | 09:58 |
| dm8tbr | yup, and still only day1 videos :-/ | 09:59 |
| Myrtti | wohey, I've awaken! first hurdle of the day conquered | 10:00 |
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| Jucato | waking up is nothing. actually getting up to even a semi-conscious state is the real hurdle :) | 10:01 |
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| dm8tbr | which calls for: moaaarrrr caffeine | 10:02 |
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| hhurtta | oooh, coffee, i almost forgot! | 10:02 |
| hhurtta | i just wondered what kept me slow | 10:03 |
| * dm8tbr caffeinates | 10:03 | |
| * stephg doesn't drink coffee, tea for me | 10:03 | |
| dm8tbr | earl grey is for later in the day | 10:04 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: I can get up without waking up | 10:05 |
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| Myrtti | I can even look astoundingly awake while actually not having a thought in my head | 10:07 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: I did say "semi-conscious", so sleep walking doesn't count :) | 10:07 |
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| Myrtti | right now the situation calls for Boston - More Than A Feeling | 10:09 |
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| Bostik | do the locomotion | 10:11 |
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| Bostik | and hope trains keep on schedule | 10:11 |
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| Myrtti | Bostik: I don't really care, not going anywhere from home :-D | 10:12 |
| Bostik | I had no choice :/ | 10:12 |
| Bostik | but on the positive side I didn't need to wake up at 0500 | 10:13 |
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| Myrtti | life is hard, pays out to be the lowly developer | 10:13 |
| mece | haha | 10:14 |
| Bostik | ..architect, but otherwise correct | 10:14 |
| mece | truth! | 10:14 |
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| mece | are we talking about the weather or hangovers? | 10:14 |
| Bostik | weather - so far | 10:15 |
| Bostik | want to expand the scope? | 10:15 |
| mece | lovely skidding weather today. Unfortunately I'm stuck with my van today :( | 10:15 |
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| dm8tbr | ooh, instead of video slides appeared for some talks :D | 10:31 |
| * dm8tbr is happy | 10:31 | |
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| thiago | dm8tbr: we'll upload them in the coming days | 11:06 |
| * thiago got two emails to upload his slides | 11:06 | |
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| dm8tbr | thiago: people from one of the talks I'm very interested in uploaded already. helps me prepare for a meeting later today. I'm happy. | 11:09 |
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| * thiago has uploaded his slides for the bof session | 11:12 | |
| thiago | I sent mine for the roadmap update to my boss to give a quick check before I upload | 11:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | people still around? | 11:17 |
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| thiago | timeless_mbp: nope :-) | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're back in the land of trolls? :) | 11:20 |
| thiago | not yet | 11:20 |
| thiago | but I'm leaving right now | 11:20 |
| thiago | teeth brushed, stuff packed | 11:21 |
| thiago | only missing the laptop | 11:21 |
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| sub7lime | So what hardware do I need to develop touch based app for Meego | 11:29 |
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| Myrtti | depends a bit on what UX you're planning to aim at | 11:29 |
| sub7lime | which netbooks or tablets are new? | 11:31 |
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| zinit | morning | 11:38 |
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| niala | morning | 12:30 |
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| zinit | how was the game last night? | 12:31 |
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| niala | norway win I think zinit | 12:32 |
| auke | 2:1 yes | 12:33 |
| auke | was a good game to watch :) | 12:33 |
| niala | hello auke happy conference ? | 12:33 |
| auke | it's over | 12:33 |
| auke | now I'm stuck in meetings all day | 12:33 |
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| niala | a lot of people from everywhere ? or just europeen and us/intel ? you believe more now in meego? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | auke: was good meeting you in person :) | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | niala: a lot of different companies and individuals | 12:35 |
| auke | number #1 purpose of conference :) | 12:35 |
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| auke | it'll be a major boost going forward for meego | 12:36 |
| auke | I was surprised by the amount of people | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, it really shows we're on the right track and have the right idea, i guess | 12:37 |
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| niala | so we can continue work for meego, sometimes i have no hope in meego because of the competition, no real handset, etc | 12:38 |
| auke | that's our biggest hurdle | 12:38 |
| zinit | it been a few news artickles about meego the last few days. even in norwegian newspapers.... | 12:39 |
| niala | and f... girl but that is another personal story :) | 12:39 |
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| auke | well the AMD thing popped up everywhere | 12:39 |
| auke | which is great | 12:39 |
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| auke | I don't think the press has actually picked up on the implication of that yet | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | and they'll have ssse3, which is nice | 12:40 |
| zinit | saw something about nokia planning to drop out a product with meego this year... (an artickle in a newspaper, not an official release, sÃo dont know if tis real or not) | 12:40 |
| niala | question about amd will sse3 specification lost ? | 12:40 |
| zinit | the press is great | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, amd bobcat comes with ssse3 it seems like | 12:40 |
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| auke | think about it - now 100% of CPU suppliers for windows 7 is working on a different OS themselves.... | 12:40 |
| zinit | helps spread the word that there is something new out there | 12:40 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: on arm side we're really starting to be close to have every big arm vendor as well | 12:41 |
| auke | http://fastflip.googlelabs.com/search?q=meego&type=search | 12:42 |
| auke | Stskeeps: nice | 12:42 |
| auke | I totally welcome that | 12:42 |
| niala | auke: true but now windows have a windowphne to | 12:42 |
| auke | yes but winphone doesn't offer something that fills a gap for vendors | 12:42 |
| auke | meego does fill that gap | 12:42 |
| * niala remember when last century his friend laught when they see redhat 4 | 12:43 | |
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| zinit | I posted a thread on the forum for meego on the palm T|X. havent a clue if meego ARM will run on it, but it would be cool | 12:44 |
| niala | now they use "linux" and they even not know | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | seems like arm baseline will be armv7 at least | 12:44 |
| zinit | http://www.palm.com/europe/en/products/handhelds/tx/specs.html | 12:46 |
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| zinit | thats the specs if someone wants to see if it can run meego in one for or another | 12:46 |
| auke | nice | 12:50 |
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| zinit | what arcitecture is it windows mobile runs on anyway? ARM or some obscure x86? | 12:51 |
| zinit | if windows runs on soemthing it should be possible to stick linux on it... | 12:51 |
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| auke | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372740,00.asp | 12:51 |
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| zinit | btw. te touchpad on the netbooks... lenovo uses 2 touchplad suppliers there.. one has the synaptics driver and one is some other thing I never heard about before... | 12:52 |
| zinit | might ahve to use ndiswrapper to get the rightclick to work properly... | 12:53 |
| zinit | the driver is on the lenovo website | 12:53 |
| zinit | sitting at work now so havent been able to test it yet. | 12:53 |
| niala | auke: we can say that is the real begin of meego? before the press has not a lot of reviews. In france a least | 12:53 |
| zinit | same everywhere I think | 12:53 |
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| auke | zinit: trunk has the bits to enable left/right click for the lenovo touchpad part | 12:54 |
| niala | now wait blabla@amd.com email in meego-devel | 12:55 |
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| zinit | auke: is it listed on the forum so I can find it when I get home today? | 12:55 |
| auke | probably not | 12:56 |
| auke | it's just a package in Trunk | 12:56 |
| zinit | ok | 12:56 |
| auke | but trunk has a new xorg version as well | 12:56 |
| zinit | so a system update should do the trick? | 12:56 |
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| zinit | have the exact same problem in the linux'es I have tested. meego, ubuntu, linux mint (debian version) and fedora | 12:57 |
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| niala | maybe that can enable right clic for touchscreen asus t101 to ? | 12:57 |
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| zinit | there is also a fw update that takes care of the response on the screen. (the inacuracy) | 12:58 |
| niala | I mean I can't easily upgrade from 1.1 to trunk? | 12:58 |
| zinit | was reading on it earlier today. | 12:59 |
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| zinit | (ofcourse... you have to have windows runnign on the machine to do any kind of fw update... (go figure) | 12:59 |
| auke | niala: there's no application to automate the changes needed on your system | 13:00 |
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| auke | niala: but it's techically a very simple procedure | 13:00 |
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| auke | (1) get new repo files, (2) get release pacakge with new keys, (3) zypper dup | 13:01 |
| auke | this method will allow you to dist-upgrade to any release | 13:01 |
| auke | you could even fall back to 1.0 from trunk, etc. | 13:01 |
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| niala | when i have tried this in 1.0 to trunk this summer I failed, too many errors. But ok I ll try again :) | 13:03 |
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| auke | did you zypper update or zypper dup? | 13:05 |
| niala | zypper update | 13:06 |
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| niala | sorry ux restart alone... | 13:07 |
| niala | and no id respawn to fast ... that is a progress :) | 13:08 |
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| evdaemonia | hi, anyone there? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | evdaemonia: just ask away :) | 13:16 |
| evdaemonia | oh | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | i am looking to DL meego for netbook | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | but all the sites are SO dang slow | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | 3k/s? | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | 8k? | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | what gives? :( | 13:17 |
| niala | no luck... ouch! | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | eta 1 day | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | wtf lol | 13:17 |
| evdaemonia | this is from meego.com | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | evdaemonia: mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ might be faste | 13:18 |
| evdaemonia | thanks, trying | 13:19 |
| evdaemonia | others, anyone know a good torrent? | 13:19 |
| evdaemonia | isonhunt kinda scared me off | 13:19 |
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| niala | evdaemonia: maybe it's you connection because for me it's take 20minutes | 13:20 |
| evdaemonia | i am in australia :P | 13:21 |
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| evdaemonia | Thanks Stkeeps... this mirror is great..... getting 320KB now | 13:21 |
| evdaemonia | eta 42 mins | 13:21 |
| evdaemonia | life-saver :) | 13:21 |
| niala | evdaemonia: well maybe a shark cut the connection :) | 13:21 |
| evdaemonia | i am planning to install it dual boot with win xp on the MSI Wind | 13:22 |
| evdaemonia | i am a linux novice though | 13:22 |
| niala | evdaemonia: welcome | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | thanks | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | i recently made my main pc dual boot | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | almost all on my own | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | but my friend had to come help | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | coz GRUB went all messy | 13:23 |
| evdaemonia | haha | 13:23 |
| zinit | http://mirrors4.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img | 13:24 |
| zinit | that one is fast | 13:24 |
| evdaemonia | thanks but i am 7% done already | 13:24 |
| evdaemonia | is anyone at meego.com aware of the slow DL you reckon? | 13:24 |
| zinit | downloading at 2Mbit/s | 13:24 |
| evdaemonia | or is it just for me :(? | 13:24 |
| zinit | err.. 2MB/s | 13:25 |
| zinit | eta 10 min's it sais here now | 13:25 |
| evdaemonia | thanks | 13:26 |
| evdaemonia | r u also DL meego?? | 13:27 |
| zinit | gonna stick it in a VM here | 13:27 |
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| zinit | dumping it to my server now. I can make it availeable there | 13:28 |
| zinit | 100Mbit dedicated link so it should give descent speeds | 13:28 |
| evdaemonia | you're so generous :) | 13:28 |
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| zinit | no. I'm bored:P | 13:28 |
| Myrtti | of course, the problem might just be that the internets in .au is crap. | 13:29 |
| zinit | could be | 13:29 |
| evdaemonia | well yeah | 13:29 |
| evdaemonia | it is | 13:29 |
| evdaemonia | we have a massive debate about it | 13:29 |
| evdaemonia | whether or not to spend $43 billion on fibre | 13:29 |
| zinit | and if you are at the D4 hotel you got more packets lost than recieved:P | 13:29 |
| zinit | as someone made me aware of last nigt | 13:30 |
| evdaemonia | so has anyone here put meego on msi wind? | 13:30 |
| Twoot | Hi, ca comeone help me? I flashed meego on N900, connect to it through ssh, but when I try to execute 'zypper refresh' it could not download needed xml file. Looks like something wrong with dns resolving, but when I try to ping something, ping resolves ip address successfully | 13:30 |
| evdaemonia | i just hope the wi-fi works | 13:30 |
| zinit | wind has an atheros chip doesnt it? | 13:30 |
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| zinit | then it should work out of the box | 13:31 |
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| evdaemonia | oh good :) | 13:32 |
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| zinit | got linux on it now? | 13:34 |
| zinit | lspci will show you what you got | 13:34 |
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| zinit | if its windows, check the hardware list. you never know... could be they put something weird in yours.. like broadcom or their own.. | 13:35 |
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| zinit | best to doublecheck. vendors use various wlan chils on the same model | 13:36 |
| zinit | chips | 13:36 |
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| zinit | http://zinit.servebeer.com/div/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img | 13:42 |
| zinit | there you go | 13:42 |
| mortenmj | zinit: how was the party after the game yesterday? | 13:42 |
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| zinit | mortenmj: didnt go. I left about 30 minutes after the game started | 13:42 |
| zinit | was falling asleep:P | 13:43 |
| mortenmj | right. caught a plane at 5pm myself | 13:43 |
| zinit | then you missed the fun before the game started | 13:43 |
| mortenmj | yeah | 13:43 |
| zinit | was a nice party before the game and heard the half'time was nice too | 13:43 |
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| evdaemonia | i am 44% there | 13:45 |
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| zinit | :) | 13:46 |
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| zinit | evdaemonia: whats the speeds you are getting? | 13:54 |
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| mortenmj | har du lagt inn debian p | 14:11 |
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| mortenmj | oops. wrong chan | 14:11 |
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| CosmoHill | indeed | 14:12 |
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| araujo | Stskeeps, what exactly is that licensing? o_O | 14:31 |
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| royaflash | hello | 14:42 |
| zinit | evening | 14:43 |
| royaflash | did everyone this ፕላቸ | 14:43 |
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| zinit | wonder how long it will be before symbian will be 100% buried and cremated.... | 15:01 |
| zinit | would be fun to be able to stick meego on symbian phones.... | 15:01 |
| zinit | bringing life to old phones... | 15:01 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 15:02 |
| zinit | maybe I could find some use gfor my E63 | 15:02 |
| zinit | there are several symbian phones that got a bit of power in them. imagine being able to use it for something useful after they get "retired" as phones... | 15:04 |
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| CosmoHill | realitygaps: I read your name as "realitygays" :/ | 15:13 |
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| Bryce | There was talk at the meego conference about how best to handle shared libraries that are not in the core repository and I was wondering if anyone had started a discuss thread anywhere about this as it seemed undecided. | 15:15 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon | 15:23 |
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| smoku | Bryce, what's wrong in keeping the same repository as the app that requires them? | 15:33 |
| smoku | keeping in* | 15:33 |
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| Bryce | If my application requires libpythonX that is not in core and I add it to my package, and then your application requires libpythonX.Y and you do the same thing then we start to have redundancies. And if we're dynamically linking our libraries then your newer library could break my application. | 15:36 |
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| Bryce | Bad connection | 15:44 |
| pupnik_ | correct explanation Bryce | 15:46 |
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| pupnik_ | and the dynamics of a small distro are different than the major linux ones | 15:47 |
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| pupnik_ | most of the issues around this aren't so much technical as social ... human-networking related | 15:48 |
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| Bryce | sorry, my connection went in and out for a few minutes, did I miss something? | 15:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, car insurance is £1750 on a £1800 car | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | Bryce: this would be a good mailing list topic :) | 15:52 |
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| CosmoHill | it's like they're expecting me to write it off yearly | 15:53 |
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| Bryce | Stskeeps, I wasn't sure if there was already a thread similar to this, or if it belongs in community or dev or packaging as it seems related to all. | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | there was one but it was very entangled with the compliance work | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think a proper discussion how to get it done would be useful, ie, a constructive one.. | 15:55 |
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| Bryce | any suggestions for which mailing list? I think that its a big enough issue that we need plenty of people to be aware of it to figure out what will work best. | 15:57 |
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| nandersson | Hi, what graphics engine does Meego use? X Window System? | 16:10 |
| nandersson | or is it some framebuffer thing? | 16:10 |
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| CosmoHill | Intel :) | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: that's wildly inaccurate | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | apart from the GMA500 | 16:13 |
| CosmoHill | oh sorry, I misread the question | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | xorg but I think someone is playing with wayland for the tablet | 16:13 |
| nandersson | Ok, it sounds reasonable. I think Wayland would make more sense | 16:14 |
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| CosmoHill | there's been a lot of things going on recently around wayland | 16:26 |
| CosmoHill | ubuntu and fedora are giving it a go / making it aviable | 16:26 |
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| smoku | at last | 16:29 |
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| CosmoHill | I've been meaning to try it for ...forever | 16:30 |
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| smoku | having all graphics related stuff abstracted from XOrg already, this is the next logical step | 16:31 |
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| CosmoHill | I read xorg wanted to merge their drivers back into it | 16:31 |
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| smoku | well... graphics drivers are not related to X11 anyway | 16:32 |
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| smoku | the XServer should have only X11 related stuff and nothing more | 16:32 |
| CosmoHill | I agree, they should be seperate | 16:32 |
| smoku | and work as an userspace app | 16:32 |
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| * pupnik votes for smoku | 16:33 | |
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| pupnik | smoku: don't forget to think about arbitrating one card between multiple operating systems | 16:33 |
| smoku | is there a use case for this? | 16:34 |
| pupnik | switching via a hypervisor between multiple OS's on one machine | 16:34 |
| pupnik | that is detaching your 'console' from one os and reattaching to another | 16:35 |
| pupnik | stuff that was trivial in 1988 | 16:35 |
| pupnik | well microsoft ensured that this is broken | 16:35 |
| pupnik | today | 16:35 |
| smoku | well, that's the job of the kernel driver anyway | 16:36 |
| smoku | to be able to bring up the graphisc hardware to an usable state from any arbitrary state | 16:36 |
| pupnik | it's a non-trivial problem | 16:37 |
| smoku | it's being fixed already due to the hibernation requirements | 16:37 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:37 |
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| smoku | not only in graphics driver | 16:37 |
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| pupnik | smoku: so where's the global push to make this work? | 16:37 |
| smoku | linux kernel folks finally realized that if they want a working hibernation, the "mac way" is the only way | 16:37 |
| smoku | there is | 16:38 |
| pupnik | let me switch on the fly between linux/bsd/windows/meego with native gpu access? | 16:38 |
| rauli | any flaming posts from linus on the subject ? :) | 16:38 |
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| pupnik | ty for the comments smoku | 16:38 |
| smoku | all new driver interfaces in kernel are created this way - you are not given a clue about the current state of the hardware when you get the init instruction | 16:39 |
| pupnik | good, then i wasn't just imagining this | 16:39 |
| pupnik | well i was, but others were too | 16:40 |
| smoku | and you cannot assume that the init is called only once during the boot or module initialization | 16:40 |
| pupnik | precisely | 16:40 |
| smoku | but that required fixing the base infrastructure behind this. the usb subsystem, creating udev and its events etc. | 16:41 |
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| smoku | now, the drivers are being converted. slowly | 16:41 |
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| smoku | rauli, AFAIK Linus is all for. he opposed including all the nasty hacks required to make hibernation kind of work. but this is really cleanup of the driver interfaces, and gives working hibernation as a free bonus :) | 16:44 |
| zinit | found some nice artickles about what 3G card the s10-3t supports | 16:46 |
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| zinit | listed them on the forum. (the ones that doesnt require you to hack the bios) | 16:47 |
| zinit | would be nice to be able to use 3G directly on the machine instead of being stuck with a mobile deciding to charge from the netbook when you are sitting at a pub somewhere with no electrical outlet:P | 16:47 |
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| thebootroo_ | does meego supports the Atom N270 and the GMA950 ? | 16:57 |
| * CosmoHill checks | 16:57 | |
| dm8tbr | gma950 sounds like what's in the Archos9 | 16:57 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | the answer is: that driver is a mess and there is currently no repository with packages for it | 16:58 |
| thebootroo_ | arf | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | or was that for the touchscreen? | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | dm8tbr: I thought that was the GMA500 | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | there was a lengthy discussion on forums | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i think you're thiknking about gma500 | 16:59 |
| dm8tbr | oooooh | 16:59 |
| thebootroo_ | so the 950 is ok ? | 16:59 |
| CosmoHill | the GMA950 is designed by Intel | 16:59 |
| dm8tbr | gma500 was just labeled by intel | 17:00 |
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| odin_ | afternoon everyone nice to meet with those I did | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon - you made it home safely? | 17:01 |
| odin_ | thanks ah yes indeed, had a long sleep to catch up tho :) | 17:02 |
| odin_ | I read you had a 3am start to the airport yourself :( | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'm overtired at 4pm, can't be good.. | 17:03 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: your UTC+1 right? | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait, a 3am flight? anyone would be tired then | 17:07 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 18:01 |
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| whoodat | I used unetbootin to create a live usb stick, when I try to boot from it I get an error saying it can't find the filesystem, and to create a symlink to /dev/root/ and exit the terminal to continue boot. I tried 2 different usb drives and checked the md5. any thoughts? Acer aspire one d150. | 18:15 |
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| fcrozat | just use dd | 18:16 |
| fcrozat | the iso are dumpable without anything else needed | 18:16 |
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| whoodat | that's kind of what i figured. Will try dd when I get home tonight. | 18:18 |
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| thp | where do i submit feed urls for inclusion into planet meego (meego.com/aggregator)? | 18:37 |
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| * Debolaz wishes for meego on an ubuntu base. :/ | 18:53 | |
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| auke | debolaz: never gonna happen, get over it :) | 18:58 |
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| Debolaz | auke: Hehe. But it would be so convinient... MeeGo has such a sexy user interface, but really lags behind everywhere else, leveraging the Ubuntu platform that problem would magically go away. | 19:01 |
| auke | nope, that's a false assumption | 19:01 |
| Debolaz | And I could get the only thing that really stops me from adopting MeeGo, full disk encryption. | 19:01 |
| auke | if that's the feature that is missing for you, then just wait until it gets enabled | 19:02 |
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| auke | besides | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Debolaz: where does it lag behind? | 19:02 |
| auke | there already is ecryptfs support | 19:02 |
| auke | so you can encrypt your entire /home already | 19:02 |
| fcrozat | and meego is way better than ubuntu on boot time | 19:02 |
| fcrozat | (and will be even better soon ;) | 19:03 |
| jacekowski | ~seen ali1234 | 19:03 |
| infobot | ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 7d 2h 53m 56s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'. | 19:03 |
| Debolaz | Stskeeps: I gave a specific example. | 19:03 |
| auke | Debolaz: if you have time, go ahead and try the ecryptfs support in e.g. the 1.1 netbook image | 19:03 |
| Debolaz | auke: /home-only encryption is something that should generally be avoided, it is enormously more complex in terms of security than the full disk encryption approach. | 19:03 |
| jacekowski | transparent file level encryption | 19:04 |
| jacekowski | ntfs style | 19:04 |
| auke | perhaps, perhaps not. are you an expert on encryption? | 19:04 |
| Debolaz | For instance, the swap partition must also be encrypted. | 19:04 |
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| auke | heh, on meego systems you shouldn't use swap :) | 19:04 |
| auke | (I realize there's still swap by default, and I hate that fact) | 19:04 |
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| Debolaz | Imagine opening that secret file, and some other program decides to grab all the memory. Your secret file gets written out to swap. | 19:04 |
| auke | so? disable swap and be happy? | 19:05 |
| dm8tbr | and put /tmp in tmpfs | 19:05 |
| auke | that's easy | 19:05 |
| Debolaz | auke: That's only one of the many possible ways it can fail. Basically, it requires a very deep level of understanding to attain the same level of security as with full disk encryption and has a lot less tolerance for mistakes. | 19:06 |
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| * Myrtti dons on the tinfoil | 19:06 | |
| Debolaz | Myrtti: Saying that complexity makes things more difficult isn't really very paranoid. I | 19:06 |
| Debolaz | I'm just stating that ecryptfs is for most people a useless feature because it requires too much knowledge than what is realistic to expect people to have. | 19:07 |
| Debolaz | Myrtti: And it's not about the possibility of someone spying on you or protecting yourself from the government or anything weird like that; The fact is that corporate information must often be protected, that's a perfectly reasonable demand for a company to make for whatever distribution they chose to use on their laptops. | 19:08 |
| * Myrtti has all her partitions and external hard drives encrypted due to a requirement at work, just loves tinfoil | 19:08 | |
| Myrtti | meow | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Moo all, heya Myrtti | 19:09 |
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| * RST38h wonders if directing the crowd-dispersing microwave beam at people in tinfoil hats will boil and blow their brains | 19:10 | |
| dm8tbr | mars-attacks style? | 19:10 |
| auke | I'm about to rip the wifi base station from the ceiling of this hotel and throw it out of the window :( | 19:10 |
| RST38h | auke: Will this restore connectivity? | 19:11 |
| auke | it will restore sanity | 19:11 |
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| Myrtti | I approve this plan | 19:11 |
| * Debolaz just tried Ubuntu Netbook 10.10 for evaluation. Verdict: My netbook wasn't beefy enough to run it. :( | 19:11 | |
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| Debolaz | I can certainly understand why Mark would want to move away from Xorg. | 19:13 |
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| lbt | hey auke | 19:17 |
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| lbt | I guess you found how messed up the image is by now... | 19:18 |
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| ali1234 | jacekowski: hi, what's up? | 19:27 |
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| daisy21 | Hey can anyone tell me if it is possible to boot meego from a USB key...I've installed it fine but I'm getting a kernel panic warning | 19:30 |
| Aard | daisy21: yes, it is | 19:32 |
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| daisy21 | I've read that you have to put in rootdelay=8 when booting kernel but this doesn't work | 19:32 |
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| daisy21 | Aard: any ideas? | 19:34 |
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| * Aard has next to no idea about the meego netbook stuff | 19:34 | |
| ali1234 | i saw a kernel panic when someone was trying to install it yesterday at the conf | 19:35 |
| jacekowski | ali1234: finally | 19:35 |
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| jacekowski | ali1234: how did you knew i was looking for you? | 19:35 |
| ali1234 | had to start over | 19:35 |
| daisy21 | ali1234: I've installed it twice | 19:35 |
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| jacekowski | ali1234: anywas, as far as i know you managed to port u-boot to n900 | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | anyways* | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | i think he pulled the usb key out too soon | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | yes, sort of | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | it is chainloaded from the nokia bootloader | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | i know how to replace nolo with something else | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | for example uboot | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | well, ok, it should work | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | i just have a size problem | 19:37 |
| jacekowski | because uboot would have to fit into same space as nolo | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:37 |
| daisy21 | ali1234: ok thanks I'll try it again :-( | 19:37 |
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| ali1234 | and also no, because the flash partition layout is set up by nolo and u-boot doesn't support it | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | u-boot also does not support generating the correct atags, those are taken from nolo | 19:38 |
| jacekowski | yep | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | or in other words, if you install u-boot you will also have to repartition the flash and recompile the kernel to support the new partitioning system and so on | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | it really isn't worth it just to get rid of nolo | 19:39 |
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| ali1234 | also u-boot can't write to the flash so you need nolo to reflash easily | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | well, or uboot can be changed to support it | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | unless you fix it of course | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:39 |
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| jacekowski | a was expecting little bit more enthusiasm | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | i already figured out all this was possible but i didn't see a point in doing it | 19:41 |
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| ali1234 | i mean why replace nolo? | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | why port uboot? | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | for dual booting meego development images | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | you can do it with kexec | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | and/or android/ubuntu... etc | 19:42 |
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| ali1234 | actually you can't | 19:42 |
| thiago_home | timeless_n900: where to? | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | not in a reasonable way | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | kexec doesnot put hardware in the same state as a cold boot | 19:43 |
| timeless_n900 | HEL (home) | 19:43 |
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| ali1234 | therefore it is not much goood for testing | 19:43 |
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| ali1234 | kexec booting is also hella slow since it has to boot up twice, if you're trying to track down a kernel panic that's really annoying | 19:44 |
| thiago_home | timeless_n900: I heard there were problems for HEL today | 19:44 |
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| jacekowski | ali1234: then you save even more time | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | ali1234: if you get rid of nolo | 19:48 |
| maclaver | thiago_home: HEL was OK, but I heard that traffic this morning was chaotic. | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | about 0.01 seconds, sure :) | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | nope | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | it takes 1.2+ seconds to boot nolo | 19:48 |
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| ali1234 | i don't believe that | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | 0.5s | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump | 19:49 |
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| ali1234 | well, ok, but a lot of that code would need to be put in u-boot | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | and there's a big difference between 0.5 seconds, and 15 seconds, then press some buttons, then wait another 15 seconds | 19:50 |
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| jacekowski | not uber-cool backlight fade in for sure | 19:50 |
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| jacekowski | and just that is 9ms | 19:51 |
| ali1234 | kexec method also requires you to mess with maemo filesystem, which i do not like | 19:51 |
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| ali1234 | and removing nolo will require a lot better understanding of the hardware than what i have | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | if you wanted you could make u-boot a lot faster just by removing the graphics, keyboard, and boot timeout stuff | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | 99% of users don't need that | 19:53 |
| ali1234 | actually none of those would work without nolo to set up the hardware | 19:55 |
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| ali1234 | unless you put all the code in u-boot | 19:55 |
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| ali1234 | there is also some magic that nolo does with power saving / sleep modes | 19:56 |
| ali1234 | it would be quite a lot of work to reverse all that stuff, for very very little benefit if any at all, imo | 19:57 |
| thiago_home | maclaver: snow? | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | ali1234: work that is already done | 19:58 |
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| ali1234 | well, ok, but what's the benefit? | 20:01 |
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| jacekowski | preventing global warming by booting phone faster | 20:02 |
| mortenmj | X-Fade: you around? | 20:02 |
| jacekowski | and therefore using less energy | 20:02 |
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| ali1234 | hmm ok, the menu has gone and i can't alt-tab. cos of the whole "zones" thing, this is now the only window i can get to. what do? | 20:26 |
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| Jartza | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/11/microsoft-linux-at-end-of-its-life.html | 20:34 |
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| Jartza | all your efforts are useless! | 20:34 |
| berndhs | yeah, MS is close to the end, we all know it :) | 20:35 |
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| Mece_ | Jartza, O.o | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | evening slaine | 21:27 |
| slaine | Hey Stskeeps, you're home safe and sound I hope | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | safe, sound, hmm.. need sleep | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:28 |
| slaine | Yeah, me too, and I'd the least amount of traveling ;) | 21:28 |
| slaine | Was great to meet up | 21:29 |
| * thiago_home had a blast | 21:29 | |
| thiago_home | yeah | 21:29 |
| * slaine waves to thiago_home | 21:29 | |
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| slaine | everybody really seemed to have a great time | 21:29 |
| slaine | felt great to be a part of it | 21:29 |
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| * Stskeeps is installing meego sdk for fun and profit | 21:32 | |
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| slaine | thiago_home: Qt apps on MeeGo, what am I doing wrong, they look terrible | 21:36 |
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| thiago_home | nothing. There's a limit to what a style can do for QWidget... | 21:38 |
| slaine | there doesn't appear to be any style though, the fonts aren't anti-aliased | 21:39 |
| slaine | it looks like something is missing from a setup perspective, but I can't figure out what as I'm a Qt newb | 21:39 |
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| Bostik | have to interview our guys who were there for their feelings :/ | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | they're probably too busy playing with their ideapads | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:44 |
| Bostik | well obviously next week | 21:44 |
| Bostik | day off tomorrow for an inhuming | 21:45 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if to go for handset ux based desktop for his tv machine, kitchen tablet (joggler) and other smaller tablets like old nokia internet tablets.. | 21:45 | |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Use Windows on the TV machine. | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | i just installed the handset image on the ideapad | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: why, though? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Way more games for Windows. | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | it needs a lot of work but it does at least ... support a touchscreen | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Otherwise, it would not matter | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that's true, but then again i'm the civ3/red alert2 type of person | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But you never really know | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: If the machine is underpowered though, Linux will do fine asnone of the games will run anyway | 21:47 |
| slaine | ali1234: I plan on doing the same once the tide of returned to work stuff dies down and I've got time to play | 21:48 |
| slaine | I'll also setup my n900 dev unit | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, tv is more about media for me | 21:52 |
| GAN900 | US soil again. | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Assuming that you are not watching broadcast TV, anyhing with Bittorren client and MPlayer will do =) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :P | 21:57 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, by the way. Seeing you on stage on Monday was the only highlight of the keynotes. *g* | 21:57 |
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| dm8tbr | ah, better | 22:02 |
| dm8tbr | _MeeGoBot_: botsnack | 22:02 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | yay | 22:02 |
| RST38h | GAN:flattery! =) | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: hehe - not even the giveaway announcement? ;) | 22:02 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, meh, Lenovo. :P | 22:18 |
| javispedro | what a choice of a laptop for netbook ux | 22:18 |
| javispedro | though I wonder if it's not part of a master plan | 22:18 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, seeing as how you're the only real example of meritocracy in action so far. | 22:18 |
| javispedro | thousands of geeks trying to fix the "slightly broken" ACPI implementation on it? | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, remote detonators?! | 22:19 |
| javispedro | GAN900: or that! | 22:19 |
| * GAN900 wonders if qole ever made it out of the airport. | 22:19 | |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, jeremiah too | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | We kept running into him at each step in the process all morning. | 22:20 |
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| javispedro | btw, a pleasure to talk to all of you guys | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | Everybody see the shaming picture on sjgadsby's flickr? | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, always. | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | Incredible group of people. | 22:21 |
| GAN900 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/5184641401/ | 22:23 |
| javispedro | quite interesting experience | 22:23 |
| * javispedro should try to find time and write a review blog post or sth | 22:23 | |
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| GAN900 | You're all bastards for missing my unconf, though! | 22:24 |
| javispedro | :) maybe that means there was preexisting consensus! | 22:25 |
| javispedro | ... or that giving out the lenovos minutes after the sessions was a bad idea ;) | 22:25 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | Well, they were supposed to be day 1. | 22:26 |
| javispedro | *before ;P | 22:26 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: they have done it before, with n900s | 22:26 |
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| GAN900 | It's OK, we formed a Shadow Council. | 22:26 |
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| RST38h | Has it got....errrm...more power than the real council? | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, good question. | 22:27 |
| * GAN900 sends a hit squad to RST38h's house. | 22:27 | |
| * RST38h powers up the vacuum tubes in his doomsday weapon | 22:28 | |
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| * javispedro finds no way to task switch on the lenovo in tablet mode | 22:30 | |
| javispedro | hum.. of the front buttons, the first one doesn't seem to send anything via ps2 (so acpi? wmi?), the second does but should be mapped to rotation, and the third one... well. | 22:31 |
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| javispedro | so, need a onscreen button for taskswitching. that or keep the top bar always visible. | 22:33 |
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| GAN900 | Need a Tablet/Netbook franken UX. | 22:37 |
| * GAN900 boards | 22:37 | |
| GAN900 | See you from Florida. | 22:37 |
| javispedro | bon voyage | 22:38 |
| andre41 | olla | 22:38 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Just wanted to say it was BRILLIANT seeing some of you at #MeeGoConf …. | 22:47 |
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| slaine | +1 | 22:49 |
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| thiago_home | +1099 technically :-) | 22:50 |
| thiago_home | we were 1100 people there | 22:50 |
| MeeGoExperts | @slaine: I don't think I met you in person | 22:50 |
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| slaine | MeeGoExperts: probably not, there was a ton of people around and it was hard to catch up with everyone | 22:51 |
| thiago_home | MeeGoExperts: what is your name? | 22:52 |
| MeeGoExperts | True. Well you were one of the people I wanted to track down. | 22:52 |
| MeeGoExperts | Thiago: Hashiq (Ash) | 22:52 |
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| slaine | MeeGoExperts: perhaps at the next one ;) | 22:53 |
| MeeGoExperts | Slaine: Would be good :-) | 22:54 |
| slaine | I only bumped into lbt at the end and then seeing some photo's online, I recognise people but didn't realize who they where and wish I'd gone over | 22:54 |
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| MeeGoExperts | It was the best conference i have ever been too | 22:55 |
| tripzero | what was the best session? | 22:55 |
| slaine | It's been too long since my last one to have a valid comparison, but it was amazing | 22:55 |
| * tripzero needs something to listen to while at work | 22:55 | |
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| slaine | I need some coffee if I'm going to continue working ;) | 22:56 |
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| slaine | bbs | 22:56 |
| tripzero | hehe | 22:56 |
| MeeGoExperts | Most of mine recent ones have been of the *corporate* flavour … | 22:56 |
| niala | what i m doing wrong ? http://pastebin.com/dL6fAjPF | 22:56 |
| Chani | blaa! | 22:56 |
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| thiago_home | this was definitively in the Top 2 of conferences for me | 22:57 |
| tripzero | niala, why is MaPage a QWidget? | 22:57 |
| Chani | thiago_home: indeed :) | 22:57 |
| thiago_home | niala: what's the error? | 22:57 |
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| Chani | now, i ought to finnd out when i'm expected to be at the mobile sprint tomorrow.. | 22:58 |
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| tripzero | MaPage should propbably either be an MApplicationPage or the MApplication window or just a c++ class | 22:58 |
| niala | in constructor MaPage::MaPage | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | Chani: made it to berlin? | 22:58 |
| Chani | thiago_home: yep :) | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | Chani: I have another favour to ask... | 22:59 |
| niala | s/QWidget/MApplication | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | Chani: get the KDE people to write a report on the conference :-) | 22:59 |
| Chani | oh boy | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | Chani: from KDE's perspective | 22:59 |
| thiago_home | and do it too | 23:00 |
| tripzero | mmm | 23:00 |
| Chani | report as in dot article? | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | no | 23:00 |
| tripzero | lul | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | though now that you mention it... | 23:00 |
| thiago_home | I meant for our own use in KDE, send to the e.V. | 23:00 |
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| thiago_home | your impressions, your ideas on how to improve collaboration | 23:00 |
| tripzero | :nod: | 23:01 |
| Chani | the ovi report is still stalled around 80% i think :/ those of us who write have been stupid busy | 23:01 |
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| Chani | but, freeze is over, so i guess i need something new don't i? ;) | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | everyone writes | 23:01 |
| Mek | Chani: I think we decided to be in the office around 9am... | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | I just want the impressions, opportunities for collaboration, etc. | 23:01 |
| niala | same error: In constructor MaPage:MaPage ...... MaPage.o Error 1 | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | hey th0br0 | 23:02 |
| Chani | Mek: ah, thanks :) | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | niala: that's not the error | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | niala: the actual error is between those lines | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | niala: it has "error:" in the line | 23:02 |
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| Chani | thiago_home: ok, it's on my todolist for tomorrow, i'll spread the word then | 23:03 |
| * thiago_home is watching Dexter and sees that he's using a prototype for an N8 | 23:04 | |
| thiago_home | it's clearly the N8, but it says "C0" | 23:05 |
| Chani | haha | 23:05 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: lol | 23:05 |
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| thiago_home | we have several C0 in the office | 23:06 |
| * Chani yawns | 23:06 | |
| niala | you mean that ? : main.cpp: In function ‘int main(int, char**)’: main.cpp:21:8: erreur: ‘class MaPage’ has no member named ‘show’ make: *** [main.o] Erreur 1 | 23:06 |
| tripzero | thiago_home, i thought you had an n9? | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | thiago_home: can I have one? :) | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | niala: that | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | niala: it says that the class MaPage doesn't have a member called show() | 23:07 |
| * Chani hopes ervin will be online tomorrow | 23:07 | |
| thiago_home | tripzero: there's no such thing as an N9, you know it | 23:07 |
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| tripzero | sadly... :( | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | all prototypes have "C0" stamped, so even I don't know what the actual commercial designation will be | 23:08 |
| tripzero | nokia didn't make any cool announcements at the conference? | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | it announced that the announcement will be in 2011 | 23:09 |
| tripzero | lemme rephrase: did anyone make any cool announcements? | 23:09 |
| tripzero | yay for reentrant announcements! | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | yes, there was one cool announcement | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | from AMD | 23:10 |
| tripzero | was AMD actually there? | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:10 |
| tripzero | that's kinda cool | 23:10 |
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| tripzero | was nvidia there too? | 23:11 |
| thiago_home | I had a nice chat with the AMD guy | 23:11 |
| thiago_home | and we could catch up on a lot of things, since he's a friend too :-) | 23:11 |
| tripzero | nice | 23:11 |
| tripzero | is the the AMD linux guy? | 23:11 |
| thiago_home | chris schläger, formerly of SUSE (he was CEO, not sure) | 23:11 |
| thiago_home | no nvidia around that I saw | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | who was it who asked about wayland eariler? | 23:12 |
| thiago_home | but this is not about AMD graphics, it's about AMD processors | 23:12 |
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| tripzero | thiago_home, bummer. hopefully their support would include both cpu and gpu | 23:12 |
| thiago_home | yes | 23:13 |
| tripzero | but if their gpu is in their cpu... | 23:13 |
| CosmoHill | you support what you have, so hopefully they will support both | 23:13 |
| tripzero | hmm | 23:13 |
| tripzero | mmm, wayland... | 23:14 |
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| Chani | mrr | 23:14 |
| Chani | Mek: so has the sprint already begun? how's it going over there? | 23:14 |
| thiago_home | we'll have wayland | 23:14 |
| CosmoHill | not to long ago nvidia said they won't be supporting wayland | 23:14 |
| tripzero | nvidia is really starting to fail in the linux area | 23:15 |
| tripzero | no kms | 23:15 |
| tripzero | no wayland | 23:15 |
| Mek | Chani: we didn't do much yet, just some getting set up and stuff like that; and then after dinner everybody went back to their hotel (and I think the hostel most people are in doesn't have free internet) | 23:15 |
| tripzero | they are falling behind in a huge way | 23:15 |
| erani | i have high hopes for amd | 23:15 |
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| thiago_home | nvidia has nothing to do with wayland | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | I thought it was a pit premature to say they won't support wayland | 23:15 |
| thiago_home | wayland can do EGL and NVidia has that | 23:15 |
| CosmoHill | bit* | 23:15 |
| Chani | Mek: ah, cool. good for people to get a proper night's sleep :) | 23:16 |
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| tripzero | thiago_home, what about the driver? | 23:16 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: they have EGL drivers | 23:16 |
| tripzero | isn't nvidias driver X specific or does wayland support X drivers? | 23:16 |
| * Chani spent the afternoon watching tv n'stuff. finally beginning to feel unzombified. | 23:16 | |
| thiago_home | yes, it is | 23:16 |
| thiago_home | but they have non-X versions | 23:16 |
| thiago_home | I know because we have customers using NVidia chips without X | 23:17 |
| thiago_home | directfb on NVidia Tegra II | 23:17 |
| tripzero | so they won't be doing a driver specific to wayland? is that what they mean by no support? | 23:17 |
| tripzero | or is this a "here's our driver, you make it work" kinda thing? | 23:18 |
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| thiago_home | neither | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | we'll have to convince them to make a wayland driver | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | what I'm saying is that they have the pieces already | 23:18 |
| tripzero | thiago_home, btw, who are the qt-ivi guys? | 23:18 |
| berndhs | ah well, i'm on the no-surf list, or meego.com is down | 23:18 |
| thiago_home | EGL is already there | 23:19 |
| Chani | speaking of drivers, anyone working on getting the lenovos in better shape yet: :) | 23:19 |
| tripzero | define "better shape"? | 23:19 |
| tripzero | getting wifi working? | 23:19 |
| thiago_home | tripzero: should be our RWC people | 23:19 |
| niala | I'll hang myself, I can not make a simple button that loads a url. need a pause and a new brain :/ | 23:20 |
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| Chani | tripzero: having mouse buttons would be nice. and the corner of my screen that has the battery icon doesn't always work. | 23:20 |
| tripzero | hmmm | 23:20 |
| Chani | i hear there's someone working on a fix for the mousepad though | 23:20 |
| tripzero | yeh, i use the TS and not the mousepad | 23:21 |
| tripzero | the mousepad sux | 23:21 |
| thiago_home | Chani: it's been broken for months | 23:21 |
| tripzero | the battery has been broken? | 23:21 |
| Chani | i can't get enough accuracy with the screen a lot | 23:21 |
| Chani | oh, and so far weird random things have happened when i cclose the lid. | 23:22 |
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| tripzero | running 1.1.80.x? | 23:22 |
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| Chani | eh? | 23:23 |
| Chani | one time it was closed for a minute, then spent about 5 minutes unresponsive as i tried everything short of yanking the battery - just after i tried sysrq keys it magically presented an unlock dialog. | 23:23 |
| tripzero | what are your running on it/ | 23:23 |
| tripzero | ?\ | 23:23 |
| Chani | tripzero: whatever we got at the conf. | 23:24 |
| tripzero | windows7? | 23:24 |
| Chani | no, meego | 23:24 |
| * tripzero didn't go to the conf | 23:24 | |
| thiago_home | should be 1.1.0 | 23:24 |
| Chani | ah | 23:24 |
| tripzero | hmm | 23:24 |
| tripzero | wonder why battery isn't working all the time... | 23:24 |
| thiago_home | I have one of those lenovos and the battery isn't charging | 23:25 |
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| Chani | the whole footballl game it was turned on in my backpack :/ it seems to have survived that just fine though | 23:25 |
| DawnFoster | the lenovo systems are actually running the latest 1.2 trunk build, I think. instead of 1.1 | 23:25 |
| Chani | thiago_home: oh dear. i haven't tried to charge mine yet | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: oh, you're here | 23:25 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: already home? | 23:25 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago_home: I wish! | 23:26 |
| Chani | anyways, gnight :) | 23:26 |
| DawnFoster | I'm in JFK | 23:26 |
| tripzero | 1.2 trunk would make sense why there would be some breakage | 23:26 |
| DawnFoster | anyone here have admin / shell access to the meego webservers? | 23:26 |
| DawnFoster | I keep getting 502 bad gateway errors | 23:26 |
| DawnFoster | and everyone who can fix it is offline in Dublin | 23:26 |
| DawnFoster | probably drinking a Guiness in a pub somewhere :) | 23:27 |
| * thiago_home has had enough Guinness for a while | 23:28 | |
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| DawnFoster | *is just looking forward to having time to sleep* :) | 23:29 |
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| * niala mean maybe with a guiness qt his more easy :-/ | 23:29 | |
| mikhas | interestingly enough, I dont feel like I had enough guiness - it really did taste better there than elsewhere | 23:29 |
| thiago_home | mikhas: I thought the same of the taste | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | usually I can't drink more than one of it per night | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | the usual, "it's a meal" thing, it feels heavy | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | didn't happen this time | 23:32 |
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| mikhas | yup | 23:32 |
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| tripzero | thiago_home, is there an irc channel where the qml guys hang out? | 23:38 |
| thiago_home | #qt-qml and #qt-components | 23:38 |
| tripzero | w00t | 23:38 |
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| tripzero | thx | 23:38 |
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| niala | I am condemned to click install to the rest of my days. lol. I'll never make my program shame on me :) | 23:42 |
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| wazd | I'm home! | 23:51 |
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| * timeless_n900 arrived @hel | 23:52 | |
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| CosmoHill | you're in hell? | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | what did you do this time? | 23:53 |
| timeless_n900 | ... and i was paged to customer services | 23:53 |
| timeless_n900 | they didn't include my luggage on my flight | 23:53 |
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| thiago_home | CosmoHill: HEL, not hell | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | that was the joke | 23:56 |
| tripzero | niala, you can make your application | 23:56 |
| wazd | timeless_n900: heyhey :) | 23:56 |
| tripzero | just be sure to look at the docs and the examples in there | 23:56 |
| tripzero | you can't mix and match QWidgets with MTF like you are doing currently | 23:57 |
| tripzero | also knowing c++ is going to help you a lot | 23:57 |
| tripzero | ie, how inheritance works, etc | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking of maybe doing some C++ lessons for newies | 23:57 |
| * CosmoHill pokes w00t | 23:57 | |
| niala | you're right | 23:58 |
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