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| Jaffa | Want to hack on MWKN (http://www.mwkn.net/), right now at Meego Conference? Join us at the bar near the Early Bird Event break out area, past the bar. Beer, sandiwches, comfy chairs. | 00:16 |
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| Rydekull | clever | 00:17 |
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| Jaffa | Freeee | 00:19 |
| Jaffa | http://tinyurl.com/mwknmeegoconf | 00:19 |
| pupnik | quiet here | 00:20 |
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| Stskeeps | don't get lost in aviva after closing time. its a friggen maze to get out of. | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | how was the day Stskeeps ? | 00:27 |
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| Stskeeps | good so far | 00:28 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Grab some peoples with laptops to come and hack on MWKN ;-p | 00:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: hotel wifi makes me want to kill people :P | 00:55 |
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| CosmoHill | lol | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. | 00:59 |
| CosmoHill | I hope that by the time you leave the hotel has better wifi | 01:00 |
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| CosmoHill | I just put some E45 on my sore lip and this is how I felt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49Pl-gW9O4 | 01:09 |
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| CosmoHill | how many of you at the hotel are swearing the wifi t-shirt from thinkgeek...and also have no bars | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I'll take that as at least one | 01:46 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | 4am? | 04:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (What time zone am i in?) | 04:17 |
| timeless_mbp | oh! | 04:17 |
| timeless_mbp | my mac can set the time zone based on my current location! | 04:17 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, then your mac is wrong | 04:19 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, isn't it 3:20 there? | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | it's 2:19am according to my mac now | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | (having let it decide its time zone based on where it thinks i am) | 04:20 |
| Termana | Actually your right, I accidently set it to the wrong place | 04:22 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 04:23 |
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| MohammadAG | 4:29 here :) | 04:29 |
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| osx5 | hello everyone | 05:20 |
| osx5 | i'm back from being here earlier | 05:20 |
| osx5 | hey I was wondering if I downloaded the dependencies or a .rpm for apps I want, will that work on meego or no | 05:20 |
| pupnik | glad to see you made it back unscathed :) | 05:20 |
| osx5 | lol | 05:21 |
| pupnik | not as a rule, no | 05:21 |
| osx5 | :( | 05:21 |
| pupnik | some things will work | 05:22 |
| pupnik | what would you like to run on meego? | 05:22 |
| osx5 | irssi, midori, elinks, centerim, | 05:23 |
| osx5 | maybe a lighterweight email client | 05:23 |
| zr0 | hmm, those should be easy to port to meego | 05:23 |
| osx5 | either way I don't like how they limited the distro with the package manager | 05:23 |
| osx5 | zr0: they should expect that mostly people who tried linux distros are going to be using this at the beginning | 05:24 |
| osx5 | outside of the linux community, who really knows wth meego even iss | 05:25 |
| osx5 | there's no marketing for it | 05:25 |
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| osx5 | brb gonna try to get those apps | 05:26 |
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| zr0 | osx5: yeah, i agree rpm blows | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | zr0: why? | 05:34 |
| pupnik | i knew of problems years ago but those are ancient | 05:34 |
| pupnik | i'm hoping they're a little easier for newbies to package than .debs | 05:35 |
| zr0 | pupnik: to be honest, i haven't used rpm since way back.. i always thought apt completely replaced rpm | 05:43 |
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| unmeshb | hello! question on mount of meego sdk | 06:54 |
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| Mat_Matan | morning | 07:01 |
| unmeshb | I am following this page to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr | 07:05 |
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| unmeshb | I am getting an error for invalid fs type error for this command --> sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 ./meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0721.raw /opt/meego-handset | 07:07 |
| unmeshb | using fedora 14 | 07:10 |
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| hvenus | liyong | 07:28 |
| hvenus | hi, LiYong. | 07:28 |
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| * timoph lives in .fi time | 08:09 | |
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| timoph | 6am and the place is deserted | 08:10 |
| * dm8tbr is on UTC, but lives in .fi | 08:10 | |
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| Jucato | is the time in http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule UTC or local (Dublin)? or it doesn't matter because Dublin time is same as UTC now? | 08:19 |
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| lolloo | is it live yet? | 08:21 |
| lolloo | there is live stream button, but is it live? | 08:21 |
| Jucato | it hasn't even started I think. if the times are UTC | 08:22 |
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| lolloo | but if it foes live stream would be on right | 08:24 |
| Jucato | I hope so :) | 08:25 |
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| dm8tbr | it's 6:25UTC I doubt a conference would start _that_ early | 08:25 |
| lolloo | local dublin time is 6 am? thats impossible | 08:26 |
| lolloo | oh | 08:27 |
| lolloo | its winter time | 08:27 |
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| lolloo | yes it's right, then it will start three ohours from now | 08:27 |
| lolloo | it will be 12 pm where I live | 08:28 |
| Jucato | it will be 17:00 (5pm) here :) | 08:28 |
| lolloo | wow | 08:28 |
| lolloo | so far | 08:28 |
| Jucato | not as far as AU or NZ though :) | 08:29 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 08:29 |
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| TermanaDesire | Jucato: if your in AU it should be starting at 9:30 tonight ACST (SA) | 08:51 |
| Jucato | TermanaDesire: nah. I'm in PH. it's +8 UTC | 08:51 |
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| TermanaDesire | Actually I miscalculated. Anyone in Australia don't follow my time reference :p | 08:58 |
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| Jucato | hahah | 09:02 |
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| TermanaDesire | Jucato: not funny at all I would have logged onto it at the wrong time :( hehe | 09:12 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 09:32 |
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| * khertan_ is happy to see that finally there i some talk about python :) | 09:33 | |
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| lucent | well, looks like I'm finally getting into trying out meego on N900 | 09:51 |
| lucent | any others awake at the con who've done that same? | 09:51 |
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| mahsom | Hello , Who i can install software on meego (NetBook Edition) ? | 09:54 |
| mahsom | yum is not install on meego 1.1 | 09:55 |
| lucent | I don't know who | 09:55 |
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| mahsom | excuse me ... who/HOW | 09:55 |
| mahsom | How i can install software on meego (NetBook Edition) ? | 09:56 |
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| sivang | hi all | 10:05 |
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| sivang | what's the meaning of "internal image" in http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/1.2_N900Acceptance20101028 | 10:06 |
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| odinm | internal as in nokia only not for public distribution | 10:06 |
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| odinm | morning folks | 10:07 |
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| sivang | odinm: I see, but it is on meego.com wiki, for accaptance tests | 10:07 |
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| * sivang is confused | 10:07 | |
| odinm | well i mean its limited circulation | 10:07 |
| sivang | but not implying bug reports should be proivate or os? | 10:07 |
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| odinm | i dont know which parties that is limited too and use nokia as example | 10:08 |
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| sivang | odinm: okay, thanks | 10:08 |
| sivang | odinm: btw, beer helped :) | 10:08 |
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| lcuk | good mroning meego, where is the bacon room? | 10:24 |
| lucent | har | 10:26 |
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| lucent | having trouble, power kernel 45 on my n900 includes UBOOT, I think? does not want to load meego by the MMC method and flasher -l | 10:26 |
| kt_ | does anyone here has experience with rebuilding the meego kernel (the linux kernel with the meego modifications)? | 10:26 |
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| ShadowJK | I though uboot explicitly confliced with kernels other than pr1.3 default | 10:32 |
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| niala | hello, #meego | 10:33 |
| Termana | ShadowJK, it does, but power kernel has integrated it into the release for example. | 10:34 |
| lucent | hm, should it be working? I used a weekly from trunk | 10:34 |
| lucent | thinking that it's totally unknown at this point if I'm doing something wrong or if it is just going to not work anyways | 10:34 |
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| Termana | lucent, if you're loading on MeeGo and you're at the conference, may I suggest using the demo image from tablets-dev? | 10:35 |
| lucent | Termana: ah, I'm not at any conference :) | 10:38 |
| lucent | exciting though! | 10:39 |
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| lucent | Termana: my hardware is N900 and I'm curious about meego, if it can make / take calls? Also I would like to test the wifi abilities in 2.6.35 kernel (meego?) on the device; is there a suggested build to run? | 10:40 |
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| Termana | lucent, the 1.1 build | 10:40 |
| lucent | thanks Termana | 10:40 |
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| lassemon | anyone aware of this problem when putting qt mobility 1.1 in meego and trying to run qml video | 10:41 |
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| lassemon | GStreamer; Unable to play - "*.mp4" | 10:42 |
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| lassemon | apparently some plugins don't go to the right place when runnin make install on qt mobility, but which and where is the problem | 10:43 |
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| niala | lassemon: have you make: ./configure --prefix/usr | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming <<< there is no sound ? | 10:52 |
| Khertan_ | oh there is :) | 10:52 |
| niala | nicequality image :) | 10:54 |
| Khertan_ | streaming down :( | 10:54 |
| Khertan_ | for me | 10:54 |
| niala | not for me Khertan_ | 10:54 |
| lassemon | niala: I ran it with -prefix <qtsdk>/qt and -qmake-exec <qtsdk>/qt/bin/qmake | 10:54 |
| Khertan_ | hum restart iceweasel seems flash crashed | 10:55 |
| frals | Khertan_: it was flaky as hell under nix and firefox4 for me.. works fine in iexplore thou :( | 10:55 |
| niala | lassemon: I mean ./configure blabla for gstreamer | 10:55 |
| Khertan_ | funny to see some people i see last year at the maemo conf are also at the meego conf | 10:55 |
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| lassemon | niala: ah no, gstreamer is at it was preinstalled on MeeGo image | 10:56 |
| frals | Khertan_: *some* people? ;) | 10:56 |
| niala | lassemon: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=269 | 10:57 |
| niala | nice cool music | 10:57 |
| Khertan_ | frals: :) | 10:57 |
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| Khertan_ | hum the video streaming seems delayed from comment i read on twitter : | 10:58 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 10:58 |
| niala | lol no more chair | 10:59 |
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| odinm | keynote starting.... should be almost live streamed on a linky somewhere | 11:01 |
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| lassemon | niala: thx, I'll check that out | 11:01 |
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| niala | who is the speaker ? | 11:05 |
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| odinm | checkout the linkys on the website for keysnote, room is rammed | 11:09 |
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| bcpk | anyone mind sharing the WPA pw? | 11:11 |
| odinm | Doug Fisher i believe | 11:11 |
| bcpk | I'll give that a shot | 11:12 |
| odinm | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 11:12 |
| odinm | start keynote now | 11:13 |
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| odinm | Dirk Hohndel is speaking intos | 11:14 |
| odinm | wirless key maybe "opensource" | 11:15 |
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| mtameni | connection is very slow atm... | 11:16 |
| odinm | no Doug Fisher is not the WPA key | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | Most definitely not, no | 11:16 |
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| niala | funny video :) | 11:18 |
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| * auke waves from meegocon | 11:20 | |
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| odinm | Doug Fisher takes stage from Linux Foundation | 11:20 |
| * auke claps for Doug | 11:20 | |
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| ymb | yep, key is opensource | 11:21 |
| ymb | oh, and it's meegoconf that you want to join :) | 11:21 |
| auke | we have an irc channel for the conf? | 11:22 |
| bigbrovar | is they a specific irc where one can follow happening at the meego conf or is same channel | 11:22 |
| bigbrovar | auke: great minds ask same question :) | 11:23 |
| auke | there's nobody in #meegoconf | 11:23 |
| auke | nor #meego-conf | 11:23 |
| Myrtti | ohai ymb | 11:24 |
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| ymb | acording to wiki page, this is the channel :) | 11:25 |
| ymb | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Volunteering | 11:25 |
| auke | yeah just stick in here guys | 11:25 |
| ymb | hi myrtti :) | 11:25 |
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| Myrtti | GOOD GRIEF is the volume of the video stream really that low? | 11:25 |
| auke | non-attendees will be able to pick up some fun facts from the conference this way | 11:26 |
| auke | Myrtti: ha, bad? | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | I don't want to test with my music how low it is | 11:26 |
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| Myrtti | ok, it's bad | 11:27 |
| niala | Myrtti: video and sound are perfect | 11:27 |
| Termana | yoi Stskeeps | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | niala: I'm happy I live in a relatively close timezone to Dublin, my neighbours would be pissed at me for the subwoofer | 11:28 |
| auke | Stskeeps is on stage | 11:28 |
| odinm | Stskeeps takes the stage | 11:28 |
| Termana | You guys are lagged | 11:28 |
| auke | we're just slow | 11:28 |
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| Myrtti | I have to mute my pidgin now :-< | 11:29 |
| Termana | Too bad we can't see the slides | 11:29 |
| auke | stskeeps talks about upstream first developing | 11:29 |
| auke | slide shows "meritocracy, inclusion, transparency" | 11:29 |
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| auke | Stskeeps explains he's an independent developer working on meego | 11:30 |
| Myrtti | someone could do a bambuser or similar stream with their phone of the slides? | 11:30 |
| Jucato | working from his sofa :) | 11:30 |
| Termana | Ouch he kind of lied there | 11:30 |
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| Termana | OBS is closed from viewing at the moment - but I suppose no one is going to point that out at the conference | 11:31 |
| Termana | :P | 11:31 |
| Jucato | Closed Open Build System? :) | 11:31 |
| Termana | Jucato, heh :P | 11:31 |
| auke | Termana: community OBS is open :) | 11:31 |
| Khertan_ | community obs seems down :) | 11:31 |
| auke | is it? | 11:31 |
| Termana | auke, I don't think you understand | 11:31 |
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| auke | Termana: I work for intel, I understand :) | 11:32 |
| Termana | Transparency and being able to view everything means you can see what's happening on the main build system | 11:32 |
| * Jucato heads for the bomb shelter | 11:32 | |
| auke | crepo.meego.com is up | 11:32 |
| auke | Termana: FWIW you can see everything that goes into trunk etc. | 11:33 |
| odinm | is audio level on live streaming good/bad/hi/lo? | 11:33 |
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| auke | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/ | 11:34 |
| auke | but yes, I agree, you can't look at the OBS environment itself without access, that is missing | 11:35 |
| auke | btw Doug Fisher is back on stage | 11:35 |
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| GAN900 | Somebody restarted the WiFi | 11:39 |
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| auke | LOL I just saw that someone put KDE in the community OBS | 11:39 |
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| oliwer | omg | 11:39 |
| auke | well, I put Xfce in there myself | 11:40 |
| Jucato | wetab? | 11:40 |
| auke | but that was just moved out of the official OBS | 11:40 |
| auke | wetab | 11:40 |
| auke | yes | 11:40 |
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| auke | Doug is talking about Wetab being based on MeeGo without any official MeeGo involvement | 11:40 |
| GAN900 | Also: Chinese IVI. | 11:40 |
| auke | people are picking up MeeGo and making products out of it without us knowing or helping | 11:41 |
| * Jucato half-expected the WeTab thingy to be told by LF "you're not MeeGo" similar to Smeegol .. | 11:41 | |
| crashanddie | standing, not sitting | 11:42 |
| GAN900 | Help's available? | 11:42 |
| auke | crashanddie: ? | 11:42 |
| auke | help? | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | auke, he said "I'm sitting here using my netbook" | 11:42 |
| auke | ha | 11:43 |
| auke | ok we just had a small interlude from Brett Branch from intel showing UPNP media moving between devices | 11:43 |
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| RST38h | Am I missing something here: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/11/14/how-to-make-modern-mobile-applications-with-qt-quick-components ? | 11:43 |
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| auke | Brett displayed a tablet/s10-3t displaying big buck bunny on a big screen and then moving the media back to the tablet | 11:44 |
| crashanddie | And Doug is getting texts while on stage | 11:44 |
| RST38h | The article does not really give reasoning why QtQuick is the "clear choice", am I right, or missing something? | 11:44 |
| GAN900 | auke, was talking to a guy from Malaysia yesterday who's trying to get some assistance from Intel deploying to an Atom platform for an interactive TV. | 11:44 |
| auke | Doug's taking Brett's s10-3t and showing it with MeeGo | 11:44 |
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| javispedro | happy to see that GAN wont have to transcribe everyting :) | 11:45 |
| auke | GAN900: we can help them with that | 11:45 |
| auke | Doug is joking someone won a s10-3t in the audience | 11:45 |
| Jucato | WTF | 11:45 |
| Jucato | OMG | 11:45 |
| crashanddie | Everybody is getting a Lenovo IdeaPad | 11:45 |
| Jucato | lol | 11:45 |
| auke | Doug just announced everyone in the audience will be getting a Lenovo s10-3t | 11:46 |
| phellarv | Wuuuuut? | 11:46 |
| Myrtti | GODDAMMIT :-< | 11:46 |
| auke | Myrtti: sucks you're not here | 11:46 |
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| Myrtti | auke: breaks my heart really | 11:46 |
| Jucato | >.< | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | auke, surely it should be possible to allow the good devs to get access to the hardware? | 11:46 |
| auke | Myrtti: you can evil-eye your colleagues | 11:46 |
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| javispedro | hey, I coudln't read the "everyone" part. you spoilers! | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | auke, just like Nokia did with the N900 | 11:47 |
| auke | crashanddie: hehe :) | 11:47 |
| Khertan_ | exactly | 11:47 |
| auke | the catch about the lenovo s10-3t is everyone needs to go and install meego on it before you can take it with you | 11:47 |
| * Termana claps | 11:47 | |
| auke | they'll be handed out tomorrow | 11:48 |
| Myrtti | auke: I've not seen anyone live for months, but I'll see what I can do when I do | 11:48 |
| auke | Myrtti: who do you work for actually? | 11:48 |
| auke | Dirk just announced alberto torres | 11:48 |
| auke | Doug left the stage | 11:48 |
| Myrtti | auke: Nomovok | 11:48 |
| Jucato | (for the sofa? like Stskeeps?) | 11:48 |
| auke | Myrtti: sorry, don't know them. any specific products you're working on? | 11:49 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Are you at the conference? | 11:49 |
| auke | he isn't | 11:49 |
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| Myrtti | auke: if you're at the conference, 4th floor tech showcase area has some of my colleagues | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: no I'm not | 11:49 |
| Myrtti | auke: wrong gender ;-) | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: So, no IdeaPad? :) | 11:50 |
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| auke | not for him :( | 11:50 |
| Jucato | *her* | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Her, auke | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | The conf seems quite boring | 11:50 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: no IdeaPad. I'll just fondle my Nexus One I got from Google in April. No, wait, I can't. It's still in UK being fixed :-< | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | damnit | 11:51 |
| auke | Myrtti: oops, sorry for assuming wrongly you're male.. | 11:51 |
| javispedro | what a question | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | auke: yeah, I'm the pink invisible unicorn | 11:52 |
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| auke | unicorns? watch out, my wife might start talking to you | 11:52 |
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| crashanddie | javispedro, again, Nokia demonstrates publicly they're out of touch with their audience :P They're literally preaching to the choir. They're telling people who are involved with a new OS that "computing is going to change". And quoting one of the most over-used quotes in computer science | 11:52 |
| lpotter_ | I always miss out on the good schwag... | 11:52 |
| auke | haha | 11:52 |
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| auke | yeah, best swag of the century | 11:53 |
| lpotter_ | oh well.. I got my asus mt | 11:53 |
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| Myrtti | auke: for reference: http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=5990 | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: By "the", do you mean that there is only *one* pink invisible unicorn? | 11:53 |
| * Jucato wishes he could buy one of those "affordable" android tablets coming out and run meego on it ... | 11:53 | |
| Termana | I wonder if he has an N900 in his pocket | 11:54 |
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| Jucato | Termana: I bet an N8 :) | 11:54 |
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| auke | omg I just saw a geekcode | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: "the" as "the existance of such creature is a subject of faith" | 11:54 |
| Myrtti | auke: you're welcome :-P | 11:54 |
| auke | (and I can't decipher those without a decoder) | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Anyway, the IdeaPad is just a netbook, made by Lenovo (eek), so nothing to be sad about :) | 11:54 |
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| auke | it's a netbook with a "flippable" screen with multitouch | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | btw, Watson most probably never said that there will be a demand for 5 computers. It was made up on Usenet in the 80s | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: a gadget I don't have is a gadget I don't have | 11:55 |
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| Jucato | it's a tablet hybrid :) | 11:55 |
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| lpotter_ | Myrtti: I like that logic | 11:55 |
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| Myrtti | my BF is worse though, he even has one of the Nokia picture necklaces | 11:56 |
| * RST38h hates having unused gadgets around the house, they take space in the worst imaginable way | 11:56 | |
| crashanddie | Fact: An HDTV has more processing power than an average computer 10 years ago. | 11:56 |
| lpotter_ | RST38h: you'd hate my desk then too | 11:56 |
| jarkkom | quite sizable % of TVs on market are linux based these days | 11:57 |
| jarkkom | all sony and samsung ones at least | 11:57 |
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| crashanddie | jarkkom, so I can ask Samsung to give me the source code? | 11:57 |
| auke | connected TV is a rapidly growing market where linux is dominating | 11:57 |
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| jarkkom | crashanddie, for GPL parts sure. at least my sony TV came with GPL notice with links to their source code site | 11:58 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, just bought a samsung TV last week. Didn't notice anything | 11:58 |
| * lpotter_ googles nokia picture necklace | 11:58 | |
| Bostik | ditto for my samsung TV | 11:58 |
| auke | CONF: alberto is talking about the Qt stack in mego | 11:58 |
| rauli | some samsung firmwares are not encrypted | 11:59 |
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| Bostik | the manual has an appendix with GPL notice and URL | 11:59 |
| auke | CONF: alberto is talking about the speed of implementing applications in Qt being so much higher than other c++/languages | 11:59 |
| mikeleib | auke: is conference sportscaster? | 12:00 |
| auke | I'm just posting stuff I find interesting | 12:00 |
| auke | (twitter--) | 12:00 |
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| Jucato | I thought he just said "thankqt" :) | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | Jucato: :) | 12:02 |
| auke | alberto announces someone but I didn't catch his name | 12:02 |
| auke | he's showing off a meego device with nvidia gfx | 12:02 |
| auke | actually he's showing 3 applications on 3 platforms | 12:02 |
| auke | sorry, same qtquick application on 3 platforms | 12:03 |
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| lpotter_ | everyone shows that qml photo viewer | 12:03 |
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| auke | looks like it | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | Qt Quick was built on top of Qt. News at 11. | 12:04 |
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| auke | so, who's here at the conference with a system that actually runs MeeGo? raise hands | 12:04 |
| * auke raises hands | 12:04 | |
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| auke | stage goes back to Torres | 12:05 |
| Jucato | Torres goes back to stage | 12:05 |
| timeless_n900 | jaffa: i got an o2 broadband sim | 12:06 |
| timeless_n900 | it isn't working | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i have meego n900 in my backpack :P | 12:06 |
| auke | Stskeeps: ah, sorry, I didn't have anything to throw at you when you were on stage | 12:06 |
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| Jucato | heh | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | auke: shoes work | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | B | 12:07 |
| Jucato | couches too | 12:07 |
| auke | I just got new shoes, they're too comfy to throw | 12:07 |
| Jucato | I mean sofa | 12:07 |
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| Khertan_ | Stskeeps: nice i can understood you clearly | 12:07 |
| Khertan_ | really nice presentation | 12:07 |
| * auke now knows how stskeeps looks so he can stalk him | 12:07 | |
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| Stskeeps | auke: i need to say hi to you at least :) | 12:08 |
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| auke | no worries | 12:08 |
| auke | we'll chat - I'm the ONE guy at the conference running MeeGo on his laptop | 12:08 |
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| timeless_n900 | auke: i have it in a vm on my laptop :) | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i know two other guy | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | s | 12:08 |
| mikeleib | auke: lies | 12:08 |
| * mikeleib eats teh dogfood | 12:09 | |
| auke | mikeleib: you're good | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | auke: quim gil (nokia) and michael fuller, at least | 12:09 |
| * auke pets mikeleib | 12:09 | |
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| auke | mikeleib: BUT | 12:09 |
| auke | mikeleib: you're probably using Xfce :) | 12:09 |
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| mikeleib | auke: worse. I'm using yum! | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, say Hi to Quim for me | 12:10 |
| * MohammadAG pukes (yum) | 12:10 | |
| auke | zypper dup | 12:10 |
| Termana | Hello everyone that's at the conference and just decided to pop their heads up in here :P | 12:10 |
| mikeleib | ohyah? | 12:10 |
| * mikeleib needs to clean out his repos then switch | 12:10 | |
| auke | CONF: Torres explains the most critical part for MeeGo is the developers working on it | 12:11 |
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| timeless_n900 | hey, is there a logistics channel? or a booth? | 12:11 |
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| michele | some one are using conference wifi? | 12:11 |
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| auke | plenty | 12:11 |
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| auke | feel free to ask conference questions in here | 12:12 |
| auke | there's no specific irc channel for it | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, tell him: Catalunya lamenta el fet que va tornar a Europa, sense dir hola al pais. Clima de merda. | 12:12 |
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| auke | Torres leaves the stage | 12:12 |
| Jucato | heh no surprise or whatever from Nokia :) | 12:12 |
| auke | back to Dirk Hohndel who announces a break | 12:12 |
| * MohammadAG claps remotely | 12:12 | |
| auke | 30 minute break time | 12:13 |
| Jucato | QtCoffee | 12:13 |
| lpotter_ | just need the coffee maker that runs Qt | 12:13 |
| stephg | QTea? | 12:13 |
| Termana | Who ever is running the stream keeps pausing the audio when everyone is clapping | 12:13 |
| * stephg runs | 12:13 | |
| Jucato | wasn't there one in Qt DevDays? | 12:13 |
| stephg | Termana: ja | 12:13 |
| crashanddie | Termana, it's done on purpose | 12:13 |
| crashanddie | Termana, clapping uses too much bandwidth | 12:14 |
| Termana | crashanddie, lol | 12:14 |
| Termana | stream just died or is it just me? | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | died | 12:14 |
| Jucato | live streaming paused | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | for the break | 12:14 |
| stephg | it stopped | 12:14 |
| Jucato | for coffee :) | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | too much bandwidth... | 12:14 |
| Termana | :P | 12:14 |
| lpotter_ | hopefully the video will be available later | 12:15 |
| timeless_n900 | anyone here have a laser pointer? | 12:15 |
| timeless_n900 | and anyone here have a mac remote? | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | me :P | 12:15 |
| timeless_n900 | otherwise i have to go shopping | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | download it from the repos | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | there's a mac remote app | 12:16 |
| timeless_n900 | mohammad : you here? | 12:16 |
| lpotter_ | I do, but i think its awfully far from Dublin | 12:16 |
| timeless_n900 | um, ? | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | no, sadly | 12:16 |
| timeless_n900 | i want something i can fit in my hand | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | n900? | 12:16 |
| * timeless_n900 takes this as a no and goes for a walk | 12:16 | |
| MohammadAG | i'll be watching the conf remotely, feel free to say hi :P | 12:17 |
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| copyleft | Hi OBS admins, sorry I didn't follow up this channel for weeks. How can I login into https://cbuild.meego.com/ with my MeeGo account? | 12:19 |
| auke | copyleft: talk to lbt | 12:19 |
| mikeleib | lbt_away: I can has build login? | 12:20 |
| copyleft | Is it synced or need to apply again? | 12:20 |
| mikeleib | also.. my connection to obs is timing out | 12:20 |
| copyleft | auke: ok. Thank you. | 12:20 |
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| copyleft | So there is no more BETA community OBS right? | 12:21 |
| auke | copyleft: it's technically in production/deployment | 12:22 |
| auke | so, functional | 12:22 |
| auke | I've got about 20 packages in there already | 12:22 |
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| copyleft | auke: Yeah. I'm keep using a local OBS and waiting for switching to the community OBS. | 12:23 |
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| ymb | football tickets at 12 from info desk | 12:24 |
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| auke | copyleft: just talk to lbt, he can get you started prtty quick if he's around | 12:25 |
| auke | copyleft: if not, talk to X-fade | 12:25 |
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| copyleft | auke: Sure, thanks again. | 12:26 |
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| GAN900 | This registration line is nuts | 12:29 |
| Myrtti | stupid bloody Facebook... | 12:29 |
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| stephg | I love the fact that everyone with an N900 is able to give live IRC updates anywhere any time | 12:31 |
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| Myrtti | why? | 12:31 |
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| stephg | Myrtti (if you were talking to me): it's just a nice image of people standing around having chats or in queues or whatever, all over some conference building and being in here at the same time | 12:35 |
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| auke | actually we're on various devices, not just n900's :) | 12:36 |
| rauli | stephg: i've heard of irc channel meetings where people used their communicators to chat to each other in the same physical room | 12:36 |
| stephg | auke: but are you standing in a queue with your netbook ;) | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | stephg: well, it's not like there aren't IRC clients for multiple phone sized devices | 12:37 |
| stephg | rauli, Myrtti, this is all true of course | 12:38 |
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| auke | stephg: heh queue? no, I got my badge and baggie of swag delivered to my hotel room :D | 12:39 |
| stephg | auke: heh ;) | 12:39 |
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| auke | the Intel admin team is however working extremely hard to get everyone signed in to the conference | 12:40 |
| auke | (three cheers for the ladies doing this) | 12:40 |
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| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, we have to talk about getting the changes to tumbler on meego-gitorious to upstream xfce git | 12:42 |
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| auke | JPohlmann: y0 | 12:43 |
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| JPohlmann | pvanhoof: When? | 12:43 |
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| auke | JPohlmann: you're not at the conference? | 12:43 |
| JPohlmann | Nope | 12:43 |
| auke | bummer | 12:43 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, im at the meegoconf now, but how about next week? | 12:43 |
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| JPohlmann | Sure, next week is fine | 12:43 |
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| JPohlmann | What kind of changes are needed? | 12:44 |
| auke | pvanhoof: btw speaking of tumber | 12:44 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, perhaps you can already start taking a look at the diff, and tell me what you want to see changed. Then I can propose working on that during our next sprint | 12:44 |
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| JPohlmann | Sure, post it somewhere or send it by mail and I'll have a look | 12:44 |
| auke | pvanhoof: we recently took it out of obs since it was part of xfce only... will it need to be merged back? | 12:44 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, dno, if you like it the way it is on gitorious-meego, we can push it as-is upstream too | 12:44 |
| JPohlmann | Ok, I'll have a look | 12:45 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, gitorious, search "tumbler". The master branch | 12:45 |
| pvanhoof | auke, dno, what is obs? | 12:45 |
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| JPohlmann | pvanhoof: maemo-af/tumbler? | 12:45 |
| auke | pvanhoof: hah, ignore that then :) | 12:45 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, yeah | 12:45 |
| pvanhoof | It has a quillimagefilter plugin, and some fixes here and there | 12:46 |
| JPohlmann | auke: Looks like tumbler is used by meego photo apps to request the thumbnails | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, stream's back | 12:46 |
| pvanhoof | for example a file monitor is disabled because the file it monitors doesn't exist. And that causes the process to wake up needlessly | 12:46 |
| JPohlmann | In the handset experiance for instance. Dunno if that's enough reason to put it in OBS | 12:46 |
| auke | we need to revisit tumbler usage in MeeGo Core | 12:46 |
| auke | yes, it should be | 12:46 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, the meego photo-app (gallery) makes its own thumbnails I think | 12:46 |
| auke | I need to check that | 12:46 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, it uses it for video thumbnails | 12:46 |
| auke | pvanhoof: didn't you edit tumber to use gstreamer? | 12:47 |
| JPohlmann | pvanhoof: Hmm, are you sure? Last time I started it, I noticed a number of D-Bus messages to/from tumbler | 12:47 |
| pvanhoof | auke, we make a video tumbnailer, the dbus apis that JPohlmann and me designed allow for out of process plugins (specialized thumbnailers) | 12:47 |
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| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, possible. there's a c++ api and perhaps they use it for some stuff | 12:47 |
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| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, as long as they don't file bugs on tumbler, i don't notice much of who uses what :) | 12:48 |
| pvanhoof | if they are happy; then i don't notice much; :-) | 12:48 |
| JPohlmann | I found ~3 bugs in the meego bugzilla | 12:48 |
| pvanhoof | ok | 12:49 |
| JPohlmann | It might be that they even use upstream tumbler instead of tumbler with your modifications | 12:49 |
| pvanhoof | we have an internal bugzilla too of course | 12:49 |
| JPohlmann | But I'm not sure about that | 12:49 |
| JPohlmann | At least all the built-in plugins are installed | 12:49 |
| pvanhoof | no, they at one point packaged it wrong, but we corrected that. by now they should be packaging the right version | 12:49 |
| pvanhoof | if not, that'll be fixed | 12:49 |
| auke | CONF: break time is over, people should be getting back to their seats for the keynotes | 12:49 |
| JPohlmann | Shipping upstream tumbler definitely is the best idea ;) | 12:50 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, wont work, afaik wont there be a gdkpixbuf | 12:50 |
| JPohlmann | I wonder if the live stream music will fade out soon... | 12:50 |
| pvanhoof | maybe right now meego has it, but i can imagine that it wont have that | 12:50 |
| pvanhoof | harmattan for example wont | 12:51 |
| auke | CONF: Dirk welcomes everyone back | 12:51 |
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| JPohlmann | pvanhoof: I thought harmattan will be dropped in favor of next MeeGo? | 12:51 |
| auke | CONF: program correction: some minor session changes | 12:51 |
| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, but anyway, if the changes for harmattan go upstream then yeah, upstream will be used as-is | 12:51 |
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| pvanhoof | JPohlmann, i guess you can rather see it as: harmattan will be swallowed by meego | 12:52 |
| pvanhoof | not replaced | 12:52 |
| JPohlmann | Ok | 12:52 |
| auke | CONF: intel/nokia employees will not be receiving a Lenovo s10-3t | 12:52 |
| pvanhoof | Which is among the reasons why you'll see tumbler on meego in the first place | 12:53 |
| * auke cries a bit | 12:53 | |
| auke | CONF: Dirk announces amino's Dominique | 12:53 |
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| JPohlmann | auke: Can't you pick one for me? :P | 12:53 |
| auke | (Domonique/amino make a connected TV product based on Atom) | 12:53 |
| auke | JPohlmann: sure man | 12:53 |
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| bcpk | I like how it's an open secret that everyone in the world pirates films | 12:56 |
| auke | bcpk: is that related to something? | 12:57 |
| bcpk | yes, what the guy on stage just said | 12:58 |
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| bcpk | "of course you would never illegally obtain media" | 12:58 |
| auke | ah sorry, I didn't listen for a sec :) | 12:58 |
| odinm | are all the live streamed talk also going to be available for download over the coming weeks? | 12:58 |
| bcpk | are you in the room auke ? | 12:58 |
| auke | bcpk: yup | 12:58 |
| bcpk | pay attention ;) | 12:59 |
| odinm | put yer hand up auke | 12:59 |
| * auke ducks | 12:59 | |
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| auke | bcpk: they lost my attention when they said Intel employees won't get a givaway netbook :) | 13:00 |
| bcpk | haha | 13:00 |
| Khertan_ | auke: :) | 13:00 |
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| VivekG | I am trying to use n900 handset UX image to get it working on my n900 device.. But then when using the flasher I try to boot into the rootfs, I am getting error saying - "VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p1" or unknown block" | 13:03 |
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| Myrtti | is this bloke Norwegian? | 13:04 |
| Myrtti | the way he pronounces idea makes me wonder he is | 13:05 |
| auke | Dominique? | 13:05 |
| auke | I think he's French | 13:06 |
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| auke | Although Amino is based in the UK as far as I know | 13:06 |
| Myrtti | ah, could be, would make sense, other stuff points to that | 13:06 |
| auke | VivekG: try perhaps asking in #meego-arm? | 13:07 |
| VivekG | auke: oh great.. thank you | 13:07 |
| auke | VivekG: also, try another kernel/image, there's one release that had a boot problem | 13:07 |
| auke | it sounds like you hit that issue | 13:08 |
| VivekG | auke: ok... wil do that.. thanks | 13:08 |
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| bcpk | what a worldly fellow | 13:10 |
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| JPohlmann | Hmm, is he showing slides there? Too bad they are not visible in the live stream | 13:12 |
| auke | CONF: Dominique says energy is lacking in connected TV, but there are regulatory requirements | 13:12 |
| auke | yeah there's slides | 13:12 |
| auke | CONF: touch screens won't work in TV | 13:12 |
| Myrtti | here's an idea: someone who has N900 installs bambuser client and does live streaming with their phone of the slides | 13:12 |
| bcpk | (as remotes) | 13:12 |
| auke | there's a few slides showing architecture of the TV stack | 13:12 |
| auke | but they're fairly complex | 13:12 |
| JPohlmann | Without the slides the stream is about 70% less useful, I'd say :-/ | 13:12 |
| Myrtti | or some other live streaming app | 13:12 |
| bcpk | sec I'll take a pic | 13:12 |
| JPohlmann | Will slides be visible in other talks on the stream? | 13:12 |
| bcpk | http://imgur.com/MK7Xl.jpg <-- current slide | 13:13 |
| JPohlmann | bcpk: Thanks. You don't have to do that for every new slide though ;) | 13:14 |
| * bcpk whispers: I'm actually an Android blogger | 13:14 | |
| bcpk | so, yeah, no problem helping people out in here | 13:15 |
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| * auke assumes bcpk is in the front row | 13:15 | |
| bcpk | close enough | 13:16 |
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| bcpk | sup Termana | 13:16 |
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| bcpk | next slide : http://i.imgur.com/hHPJM.jpg | 13:16 |
| Termana | hello bcpk | 13:16 |
| mece | What did Stskeeps say? I missed the start. | 13:16 |
| bcpk | mece: mainly that meego was open and that ARM/X86 were working in tandem | 13:17 |
| mece | which is nice :) | 13:17 |
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| bcpk | that everyone should stick to the tenets of real open source | 13:17 |
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| bcpk | next slide: http://i.imgur.com/P9Wbm.jpg | 13:19 |
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| auke | CONF: dominique expresses the benefit of OBS and being able to rebase large code bases with MeeGo quickly | 13:19 |
| odinm | he brought up the concept of The Meego way of working, without flaming to corporate representatives but there is 2 days to hammer the message home | 13:20 |
| bcpk | last slide: http://kFDvQ.jpg | 13:20 |
| bcpk | err | 13:20 |
| alterego | Someone want to pick up my doggy bag? :D | 13:20 |
| odinm | just a shame you can not fork meeg core quickly due to closed open source meego core OBS | 13:20 |
| bcpk | last slide: http://i.imgur.com/kFDvQ.jpg | 13:20 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 13:21 |
| auke | odinm: haha, prehaps that's a good thing then :) | 13:21 |
| bcpk | it's a shame that webkit is being emphasized | 13:21 |
| bcpk | it is taking over and choking the mobile web | 13:21 |
| alterego | I really want a meego t-shirt :( | 13:21 |
| Myrtti | alterego: so do I :-< | 13:21 |
| bcpk | see how many "mobile friendly" pages don't work in Fennec | 13:21 |
| bcpk | because they're aimed solely at iPhone/webkit | 13:21 |
| auke | perhaps we should put the designs on caffeepress | 13:21 |
| odinm | no ability to fork = no contribution | 13:22 |
| alterego | Myrtti: there's a badgde in dublin with my name on it :( | 13:22 |
| Myrtti | alterego: oh, that's even more unfair :-< | 13:22 |
| bcpk | alterego: I could try... | 13:22 |
| bcpk | Q&A with technical group now | 13:22 |
| Myrtti | auke: with ladyfit :-D yes please | 13:22 |
| auke | CONF: Dirk announces the last keynote: TSG QA | 13:22 |
| alterego | bcpk: if you want to :) | 13:22 |
| ymb | ok, football tickets update! Come to info desk *after* 8am on tuesday, as you need you conf badge to get a ticket | 13:22 |
| bcpk | alterego: where are you now? | 13:22 |
| auke | Myrtti: I can discuss this with the people who made the shirts and organize the conf | 13:23 |
| alterego | bcpk: England | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | auke: general MeeGo shirts would be nice too | 13:23 |
| auke | Myrtti: Amy Leeland has a ton (like, boxes full of em) | 13:23 |
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| auke | both conf and regular meego t-shirts | 13:23 |
| alterego | auke: are they for sale :D | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | auke: the ones left over from April? the one with the cheesecloth thin black fabric? have one of those :-D | 13:23 |
| bcpk | auke: I'll let you take care of this then! | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | great for summer night gowns, | 13:24 |
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| alterego | Heh | 13:24 |
| auke | I'll talk to Amy | 13:24 |
| auke | Myrtti: yeah I think there's a ton of the black ones around still | 13:24 |
| auke | they're not thin though I though | 13:24 |
| Myrtti | well I don't go even kebab shopping around the corner with mine on :-D | 13:25 |
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| auke | CONF: Jim Zemlin is talking | 13:26 |
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| auke | btw if people want to talk to me at the conf: I'm giving a talk with Margie Foster at 13:45 in the havelock suite, catch me afterwards for the break time to chat | 13:28 |
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| Myrtti | Margie ♥ | 13:28 |
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| auke | err sorry it's in the president's suite | 13:28 |
| GAN900 | Woo, finally got my nametag! | 13:28 |
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| auke | I need to make Margie bake me another apple pie | 13:29 |
| alterego | GAN900: can you pick up mine and mail it to me? :) | 13:29 |
| mece | alterego, so why aren't you there? | 13:29 |
| GAN900 | alterego, I can try. | 13:29 |
| alterego | Funding and some family issues. | 13:29 |
| mikeleib | how can I get rid of the .so in non -devel packages error? I have .so's that are dlopened | 13:29 |
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| auke | either put them in a subfolder | 13:30 |
| auke | or don't dlopen them :) | 13:30 |
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| auke | /usr/lib/foo/plugins/foo.so | 13:30 |
| * mikeleib is not fixing the dlopen part | 13:30 | |
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| * mikeleib is fixing unixODBC in devel:ooo. So I don't want to move the .so location | 13:30 | |
| GAN900 | The network is really dead | 13:31 |
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| auke | treat it as a plugin and move it ouside of /usr/lib | 13:31 |
| DawnFoster | we deliberately restricted attendee wifi until after noon | 13:31 |
| mece | heh amd | 13:31 |
| mece | ? | 13:31 |
| auke | I think shane has a good example | 13:31 |
| mece | funny | 13:31 |
| phellarv | AMD? | 13:31 |
| DawnFoster | to give the keynotes & livestream a little extra bandwith | 13:31 |
| auke | yes, AMD joined | 13:31 |
| phellarv | Ou | 13:31 |
| mece | that's pretty cool | 13:32 |
| phellarv | Mmm | 13:32 |
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| mikeleib | auke: moving out of /usr/lib would require changes to the packages that dlopen the .so's | 13:32 |
| phellarv | Some pretty amazing joinup. | 13:32 |
| auke | mikeleib: correct, don't use foul hacks for plugins | 13:32 |
| mikeleib | they're not plugins | 13:32 |
| mikeleib | the're just dlopened for lazy use | 13:32 |
| auke | then they need to be properly versioned .so's | 13:32 |
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| auke | no shortcuts :) | 13:33 |
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| Dephyrial | anyone know what should happen in meego installation after creating a user? | 13:34 |
| zalbisser_ | hello... any meego designers in here? | 13:34 |
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| auke | Dephyrial: netbook image install pops straight to the user interface after that | 13:34 |
| auke | zalbisser_: plenty | 13:34 |
| mikeleib | the package is imported from suse.. don't their rpmlint rules blow up on this? | 13:35 |
| Dephyrial | auke: and if the screen is blank, why would that be.. | 13:35 |
| zalbisser_ | awsome :-) ... i have a few questions about desired behavior of buttons in meego UI... anybody has a few minutes for me? | 13:35 |
| bcpk | chris schlaeger was on, just heard him say to someone that they're already shipping AMD meego devices | 13:35 |
| auke | Dephyrial: a UX startup issue perhaps, or another bug | 13:35 |
| auke | Dephyrial: sounds like it's worth a bugreport, is your hardware supported? | 13:35 |
| mece | who's the pearl jam:ish guy? | 13:35 |
| bcpk | someone from nokia | 13:36 |
| mece | a finn | 13:36 |
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| mece | yes | 13:36 |
| bcpk | they're all hipsters :P | 13:36 |
| mece | lol | 13:36 |
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| Dephyrial | auke: it's an emulator... i'll try to look a bit deeper into that UX thing. | 13:36 |
| auke | Dephyrial: probably explains the UX startup issue then | 13:36 |
| auke | VM's are not 100% supported | 13:36 |
| auke | you're missing GL-enabled gfx in some of them | 13:36 |
| bcpk | AMD dude http://i.imgur.com/JuYnz.jpg | 13:37 |
| alterego | Does snapshoting work with the qemu arm? | 13:37 |
| auke | btrfs? yeah | 13:37 |
| alterego | help you startup times :) | 13:37 |
| bcpk | AMD guy is using a blackberry | 13:37 |
| auke | doesn't help just yet really, maybe later | 13:37 |
| bcpk | *booo* | 13:37 |
| auke | lol | 13:38 |
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| Dephyrial | auke: what if there's a blue background image with some white stuff? is that already the UX? | 13:41 |
| Myrtti | ohnoes | 13:41 |
| Myrtti | what happened | 13:41 |
| stephg | ja | 13:41 |
| stephg | my stream just died too | 13:41 |
| zalbisser_ | auke: are you a UI designer? | 13:41 |
| mece | same | 13:41 |
| mece | back | 13:41 |
| stephg | ja | 13:41 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 13:42 |
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| jukka | interesting to see what AMD will bring | 13:45 |
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| mece | yep | 13:47 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: pingpong? | 13:48 |
| JPohlmann | pvanhoof: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-photo/blobs/master/src/thumbnailer.h - they have their own C++ class for accessing tumbler it seems | 13:48 |
| DawnFoster | hey Myrtti | 13:49 |
| mece | LOL | 13:49 |
| stephg | heh | 13:49 |
| DawnFoster | Myrtti: are you watching the live stream? | 13:49 |
| mece | "so you're supporting the n900 now?" | 13:49 |
| stephg | *silence* | 13:49 |
| stephg | hehe | 13:50 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: yeah | 13:50 |
| mece | fuuuuu I have to go to the doctor | 13:50 |
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| araujo | DawnFoster, where is that live streaming? | 13:52 |
| mece | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 13:52 |
| araujo | thanks! | 13:52 |
| Myrtti | ooo, would be a good idea to put a link of the live stream on the topic :-P | 13:53 |
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| zalbisser_ | i would like to know the desired behavior for a button under the following conditions (using a touch screen): a user touches e button and does not release the touchpoint, moves around within the button for a certain amount of time, and releases the touchpoint afterwards. When does the button actually trigger? | 13:55 |
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| mikeleib | zalbisser_: using what toolkit? | 13:57 |
| zalbisser_ | mikeleib: well... i'm interested in the general behavior... ... i'm working on qt and would need to know how to implement that. | 13:57 |
| zalbisser_ | mikeleib: (desired behavior) | 13:57 |
| mikeleib | zalbisser_: for a good touchscreen system, it should give a clicked signal after the release | 13:58 |
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| mikeleib | note that for a good touch response, the hot-area of the button actually ought to expand after the button-down event | 13:58 |
| mikeleib | mtf does this | 13:58 |
| Jucato | just came back, who's the the guy with Jim? | 13:58 |
| lucent | got meego 1.1 booted on N900, it's pretty seriously "beta" / alpha status no kidding | 13:58 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone put the streaming link into the topic | 13:58 |
| lucent | able to make a call though and that's very impressive :) | 13:58 |
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| stephg | Jucato: valhalla and Imad | 13:59 |
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| zalbisser_ | mikeleib: okay... so "button down" event when pressing... and "click" event when releaseing on the button. "button release" (without click) when releaseing the touchpoint outside of the button. does that sound ok? | 13:59 |
| Jucato | thanks | 13:59 |
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| DawnFoster | topic changed by popular request :) | 14:00 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 14:00 |
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| bcpk | non-answer about android interoperability | 14:01 |
| bcpk | doesn't one of the meego tablets have an android VM? | 14:01 |
| jukka | lucent: :) | 14:02 |
| mikeleib | zalbisser_: not really. The hot-area of the button should expand after the button-down | 14:02 |
| mikeleib | zalbisser_: as your finger squishes onto the touchscreen, the centroid of the touchpoint probably moves. It may move outside of the button | 14:02 |
| Jucato | omg! just went for quick dinner and 153 #meegoconf tweets already! | 14:02 |
| lucent | jukka: does wifi in 1.1 seem to work? I have an ad-hoc with 40-bit wep key, it's known to work when I connect from Maemo on the same device ; anything special to input hex WEP key? | 14:03 |
| mikeleib | zalbisser_: so, keeping the clicked bahavior has you would for a mouse makes the button nearly unusable | 14:03 |
| mikeleib | lucent: connman doesn't do ad-hoc | 14:03 |
| lucent | ah, okay. | 14:03 |
| stephg | heh | 14:04 |
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| lucent | my ad-hoc network name "Gigantic" ; so, I am seeing Gigantic !! Failure | 14:04 |
| * lucent :) | 14:04 | |
| jukka | yea | 14:05 |
| mikeleib | lucent: using handset? | 14:05 |
| lucent | yes, mikeleib | 14:05 |
| lucent | N900 hardware | 14:05 |
| mikeleib | IIRC, N900 has odd wifi drivers | 14:05 |
| stephg | lucent, mikeleib: should work (with a managed network) but can be a bit flakey | 14:06 |
| stephg | there are still one or two open bugs that we're hunting | 14:06 |
| mikeleib | the passphrase is just passed as is to connman, from the textedit box. I don't know if connman expects hex keys to be prefixed with 0x | 14:06 |
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| t_s_o | any interesting non-phone pocket meego device around? | 14:06 |
| lucent | ah, yes the wifi is particularly interesting to me as a user | 14:06 |
| mikeleib | However, if you enter the passphrase wrong, the crapware gui caches it and won't let you enter a new one | 14:06 |
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| mikeleib | lucent: that's a known bug, BTW | 14:07 |
| bcpk | Q+A session wrapping up | 14:08 |
| lucent | okay, at least I will not think I'm crazy for trying it | 14:08 |
| lucent | how to safetly reboot from meego handset 1.1 ? | 14:08 |
| mikeleib | no UX for that | 14:08 |
| t_s_o | consume code, whiskey tango foxtrot?! | 14:08 |
| odinm | i think the wlan connection tracker drops u out bloody ipv4 | 14:09 |
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| stephg | lucent: either init 0 from xterm if you have it | 14:09 |
| stephg | lucent: or hold the power button down until the screen goes black | 14:09 |
| stephg | (~15s) | 14:09 |
| stephg | powerbutton does a clean shutdown | 14:09 |
| lucent | stephg: okay, holding power button down is soft-off ? | 14:09 |
| lucent | neat. | 14:09 |
| lucent | and thanks! | 14:09 |
| mikeleib | lucent: also, should you run into problems with the crapware wifi gui, install connman-test and there are some command line tools you can use | 14:09 |
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| stephg | it takes *ages* | 14:09 |
| stephg | finally lucent: if you need networking and can't get wireless working it can do USB networking too | 14:10 |
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| lucent | ah, I came to trying meego for the 2.6.35 kernel and wifi support, so. With N900 and Nokia's Maemo5 install, some guy modified the wlan drivers to allow injection, but refuses to release source code | 14:11 |
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| lucent | that just made me think I want to take a look at what a more "open, upstream" development can do | 14:11 |
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| lucent | wireless-compat is rather tricky to backport into a Maemo kernel | 14:12 |
| alterego | lucent: are they not planning on releasing ? I was under the impression those guys were going to release the source. | 14:12 |
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| stephg | pub time! | 14:13 |
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| lucent | alterego: wandering o/t but yeah it was called NeoPwn2 and the developer is david (http://david.gnedt.eu/) ; on "moral grounds" he does not share the improvements because it would hurt his promise to the NeoPwn2 folks accepting donations for their work | 14:13 |
| lucent | it's all !@#$%^&*() and I'm not going to chase down unreleased code from a guy who clearly states he will not release the code ;) | 14:14 |
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| alterego | What a homo. | 14:15 |
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| lucent | the way forward looks like a recent kernel and applying wireless-compat | 14:15 |
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| lucent | fix the things that are broken, get upstream involved | 14:16 |
| alterego | I'd really like packet injection, I've been working on secure comms protocol that requires very low-level packet capabilities. | 14:16 |
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| Termana | Anything interesting come up at the Q & A? | 14:17 |
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| Jucato | rephrased: anything interesting since the beginning of the conference (other than the free IdeaPads)? | 14:18 |
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| lucent | alterego: bottom line is it works on the N900, but no source released for the implementation ; it's the only mobile platform I've seen in that format that has it working (source or not) | 14:18 |
| Jucato | oh I read AMD is joining meego or something? | 14:18 |
| Termana | Jucato, from what I've been able to view so far it has been interesting. | 14:19 |
| Termana | So I think we differ in our opinions there a little | 14:19 |
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| lolloo | hey guys is live streaming of meego conference working for you? | 14:25 |
| lolloo | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 14:25 |
| Termana | lolloo, it's off at the moment | 14:25 |
| JPohlmann | lolloo: lunch break | 14:25 |
| Termana | Until 1 (Dublin time) | 14:25 |
| lolloo | awesome | 14:26 |
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| lolloo | how is it so far? | 14:26 |
| Termana | lolloo, good | 14:28 |
| lolloo | awesome am excited | 14:28 |
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| chem|st | Termana: are there recordings_ | 14:31 |
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| Termana | chem|st, yeah they are recording everything that's being live streamed as well as probably some of the other sessions (tomorrow they break out into several sessions, I think) | 14:32 |
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| Termana | chem|st, obviously, they aren't available right away though. I would expect them to be up a couple of days after the conference | 14:32 |
| Myrtti | omnomnom soup | 14:34 |
| Termana | Oh no - after this break they split up, according to the schedule. | 14:34 |
| * mitsutaka | 14:35 | |
| Termana | RST38h, go away | 14:36 |
| Termana | :P | 14:36 |
| RST38h | Anyone cares to summarize what is goign on at the conference? | 14:36 |
| Termana | Preemptive strike | 14:36 |
| lardman | pre-empted :) | 14:36 |
| RST38h | Termana: No cheating =) | 14:36 |
| Termana | RST38h, nothing is going on - they are eating lunch | 14:37 |
| chem|st | Termana: ok fine, at least they made it to the livestreaming... would be awesome to have someone do that with a meego handset and do some interviews | 14:37 |
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| lardman | I'd like to see the lunch, see what I'm missing | 14:37 |
| lardman | we need roving live stremers | 14:37 |
| RST38h | Cold food, I guess... | 14:38 |
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| odinm | semi warm buffet food luvly salmon / tomato / pasta | 14:41 |
| Myrtti | while waiting for the stream to start up again, here, have a kitty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XID_W4neJo | 14:42 |
| odinm | frest fruit tubs for desert and/or ben&jerry ice cream tubs | 14:42 |
| lardman | hmm, making me hungry | 14:42 |
| odinm | who was sponsering that nosh again? can see any novell branding/posters up | 14:43 |
| Termana | odinm, so you're going to do what we agreed right? Send some of it to me in the mail | 14:43 |
| Termana | :P | 14:43 |
| Termana | Myrtti, that cat has some sort of strange obsession with boxes | 14:44 |
| Termana | My cat doesn't do any of that | 14:44 |
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| Myrtti | Termana: well, it's Maru | 14:46 |
| Jucato | the action is cute, but the cat is fat >.< | 14:47 |
| Jucato | wow that's one symmetrical coat pattern he has on his back O.o | 14:47 |
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| Myrtti | are the streams continuing? I'd like to see atleast Dawn's | 14:58 |
| Termana | Myrtti, yes | 14:58 |
| Termana | Myrtti, if you look down the page you can see the stream schedule | 14:58 |
| Myrtti | Termana: and I also see it's minute to 1300 | 14:59 |
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| lardman | hmm, my page shows local Dublin time @ 12.45 | 14:59 |
| Myrtti | lardman: refresh the page? | 14:59 |
| lardman | still 12.45 | 15:00 |
| Termana | That's strange mine says that too - but that's not truthful | 15:00 |
| Myrtti | strange, mine just refreshed to 1300 | 15:00 |
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| Termana | It's 1pm in Dublin | 15:00 |
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| Myrtti | ssssttttrreeaammmmmmmm | 15:00 |
| Termana | Myrtti, it's on? | 15:01 |
| Termana | Not loading for me | 15:01 |
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| Myrtti | Termana: no, it's not, and I'm banging the F5 in hope it would do something | 15:02 |
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| Termana | And the video people were doing so good | 15:03 |
| Termana | Now I have to kill them | 15:03 |
| Termana | :p | 15:03 |
| Myrtti | son, I is disappoint | 15:03 |
| vgrade_ | there was a tweet earlier reporting wireless issues | 15:03 |
| vgrade_ | at the venue | 15:03 |
| lardman | hmm, must be broken here then, everytime I refresh I go back to 12.45 | 15:03 |
| Myrtti | vgrade_: which didn't affect the stream in any way | 15:04 |
| Myrtti | meh. | 15:04 |
| Jucato | 12:47 now on that page | 15:04 |
| vgrade_ | did they say they were going to reconfig something? | 15:04 |
| Jucato | oh now I'm back to 12:45 too :) | 15:04 |
| Termana | The talk has already started according to GAN | 15:04 |
| * Myrtti gives up | 15:04 | |
| Termana | :( | 15:05 |
| Myrtti | :-< | 15:05 |
| Jucato | omg! meegoconf has caused a time anomaly! | 15:05 |
| lardman | we had a ~60s lag vefore, so there's still time | 15:05 |
| GAN900 | Lots of different people under the community heading. | 15:05 |
| alterego | I think it's actually the LHC :P | 15:05 |
| GAN900 | Wifi was limited for the first few keynotes, apparently. | 15:05 |
| Termana | alterego, :P | 15:05 |
| Myrtti | boo. I want the stream :-C | 15:05 |
| lardman | hmm, and this should be quite interesting | 15:05 |
| Jucato | damn I'm mssing thiago's talk | 15:05 |
| GAN900 | List of participation areas. | 15:06 |
| Jucato | http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12284_MeeGo_Conference_Day_1_Live.php will be as live as it will get now I think :( | 15:06 |
| Termana | STREAMS ON! | 15:06 |
| Termana | Just kidding, although you all wet your pants | 15:06 |
| Termana | :P | 15:06 |
| * Jucato throws his F5 key at Termana | 15:07 | |
| access | should be a lot of N900s around, get Bambuser on one off those and start streaming! ;) | 15:07 |
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| Jucato | lol even allaboutmeego is "on standby" | 15:07 |
| lardman | time has updated | 15:07 |
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| aparna | its too bad. desperately want the stream | 15:07 |
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| Jucato | me too. I was looking forward more to the sessions after lunch :( | 15:08 |
| * odinm is in Meego Infrastructure talk | 15:08 | |
| lardman | come on AV people | 15:08 |
| aparna | is any organizer listening to us!!!! | 15:09 |
| GAN900 | Well, the camera's rolling. | 15:09 |
| odinm | looks like all talks are videoed so i hope to see the session i missed online later | 15:09 |
| GAN900 | Challenges of forming a new community out of two older projects. | 15:10 |
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| GAN900 | Few devices, difficult sdk, not much incentive for non-corporate, openness and information flow needs work. | 15:10 |
| * lardman thinks a transcription service via N900s in the audience would be good | 15:10 | |
| GAN900 | More process documentation. | 15:10 |
| Termana | Well if the stream comes on, someone highlight me | 15:11 |
| GAN900 | Slides : Talk is about 1 : 1 | 15:11 |
| lardman | will do | 15:11 |
| * javispedro is on the infrastructure talk | 15:11 | |
| tybollt | stskeeps? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 15:12 |
| tybollt | to your knowledge - is there currently or is there being worked on a way to do OTA contacts sync for meego? | 15:12 |
| tybollt | native, no thirdparty shitz... | 15:12 |
| sx0n | amd&meego: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6AE15A20101115 | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: buteo | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 15:13 |
| alterego | tybollt: there's a framework I believe. | 15:13 |
| GAN900 | Goal for 2011: get more people more actively involved. | 15:13 |
| tybollt | buteo? | 15:13 |
| tybollt | buteo sync solution | 15:13 |
| GAN900 | Make it easier and more worthwhile for people to be involved. | 15:13 |
| * tybollt googlers WIN | 15:13 | |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: danke | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | Seeking budget for MeeGo device queue. | 15:14 |
| tybollt | or is that "takk" praps :) | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | Event incentive. | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | (s) | 15:14 |
| access | stweam \o/ | 15:14 |
| lardman | Termana: live | 15:14 |
| mece | stream's | 15:14 |
| access | … or not | 15:14 |
| mece | not back | 15:14 |
| mece | lol | 15:14 |
| mece | I guess I'm not the only one :D | 15:14 |
| GAN900 | Slides will be up later. | 15:14 |
| lardman | yeah fallen over now | 15:14 |
| aparna | stream was back for a moment but gone again :( | 15:15 |
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| Termana | heh | 15:15 |
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| lardman | ah dev device program I see timsamoff has posted | 15:15 |
| GAN900 | Twitteringj bastard. | 15:15 |
| mece | yay! | 15:16 |
| access | stweam! | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | THANK YOU! | 15:16 |
| Termana | yoi | 15:16 |
| Termana | stream | 15:16 |
| lardman | thanks AV people | 15:16 |
| GAN900 | Improve communication channels. | 15:16 |
| aparna | stream back :) | 15:16 |
| Jucato | yay! | 15:16 |
| mece | dev device program who what where? | 15:16 |
| mece | I need tht | 15:16 |
| mece | that | 15:16 |
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| GAN900 | mece, seeking funding for it now. | 15:17 |
| GAN900 | Plans for . . . | 15:17 |
| mece | GAN900, awesome. | 15:17 |
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| lardman | ~curse segfaults | 15:17 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, segfaults ! | 15:17 |
| GAN900 | Improve process documentation to lower barriers to entry. | 15:18 |
| mece | GAN900, is there more info about this? | 15:18 |
| lardman | mece: it was just a comment | 15:18 |
| lardman | mece: so not yet | 15:18 |
| mece | ok | 15:18 |
| GAN900 | There's the shout out to andre__ | 15:18 |
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| GAN900 | Be sure to report your SDK issues. | 15:19 |
| GAN900 | Ronan is working on an improved application developer site. | 15:20 |
| GAN900 | Question about the device program | 15:20 |
| Myrtti | ♥ Dawn ♥ | 15:20 |
| GAN900 | Seeking OEM support? | 15:20 |
| mece | hawt! | 15:20 |
| GAN900 | Yes, will do so. | 15:20 |
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| GAN900 | Putting together framework for applicants and device donors. | 15:21 |
| lardman | hmm, numbers sound quite low | 15:21 |
| GAN900 | Some "Bob" fellow is saying "they're" doing something similar in Q1 2011 | 15:22 |
| lardman | anyone know where Bob is from? | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | he's Alice's neighbour | 15:22 |
| GAN900 | lardman, nope. | 15:22 |
| ivrubano | hi! Did anyone have problems on creating madde development env? I'm trying to create target and got 'Can not find qt installation in' error | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Got an iPhone, the bastard. | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Would bet Intel. | 15:23 |
| lardman | :) | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Community guidelines: | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Assume good faith | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Process documentation is limited, assume good faith | 15:23 |
| GAN900 | Openness issues are human error, assume good faith | 15:24 |
| GAN900 | It's not a conspiracy, evidently. | 15:24 |
| GAN900 | Except it's not really improving. | 15:25 |
| GAN900 | Sorry, trolling. | 15:25 |
| Jucato | :) | 15:25 |
| GAN900 | Talking about andre__ and the bugzilla openness issue. | 15:26 |
| GAN900 | Everyone is in this together. | 15:26 |
| Jucato | the "it's a new project" point kinda strikes me as odd. isn't it already 1+ year? | 15:26 |
| GAN900 | 9 months | 15:26 |
| GAN900 | Everybody can contribute! | 15:26 |
| Jucato | really? just 9 months? :O | 15:27 |
| mgedmin | everything's relative, I suppose -- andoid is what, 4 years old? | 15:27 |
| sx0n | it does not take more time for new human | 15:27 |
| GAN900 | List of non-technical contributions (you can figure it out, I'm sure). | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | GAN900: I know women who give birth faster, and there a proper (most of the time ugly) human pops out | 15:27 |
| Jucato | 1.0 to 1.1 is 6 months. but before 1.0 is just 3 months? O.o | 15:27 |
| GAN900 | timeless_xchat, where are you hiding? | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: crazy times back then | 15:28 |
| GAN900 | Technical contributions slides | 15:29 |
| GAN900 | (fill in the blank) | 15:29 |
| Jucato | I guess considering it has just indeed been 9 months, I'm somewhat impressed at the current status :) | 15:29 |
| Termana | GAN900, is most of the audience at an angle from the wall? | 15:29 |
| GAN900 | Which wall? | 15:30 |
| Jucato | (I guess my long wait for maemo kinda carried over to meego) | 15:30 |
| Termana | GAN900, the main backdrop | 15:30 |
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| GAN900 | The groups on either side are at about a 15-degree angle | 15:30 |
| GAN900 | Center group is square. | 15:30 |
| GAN900 | Contribution URLs slide | 15:30 |
| Termana | GAN900, on the stream Dawn is on an angle to the camera | 15:30 |
| Termana | Seems like bad camera positioning | 15:31 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, camera is way off to the left. | 15:31 |
| arag0rn | Hey, any idea which toolchain is used to build the meego x86 images ? | 15:31 |
| mece | Termana, what do you mean? Dawn has a nice enough profile :P | 15:31 |
| GAN900 | Farthest side of the room about 1/5th of the way back. | 15:31 |
| Termana | mece: No comment :P | 15:32 |
| GAN900 | What happens if you don't get contributors? | 15:32 |
| Jucato | mece: but front view > profile :P | 15:32 |
| mece | Jucato, yea | 15:33 |
| GAN900 | 2011 event list | 15:33 |
| lardman | hmm, May | 15:34 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo conference will be 6 months | 15:34 |
| mece | I am so going to that may conference. dammit! | 15:34 |
| mece | meh | 15:34 |
| GAN900 | SF event is industry oriented. | 15:34 |
| mece | damn | 15:34 |
| Myrtti | I wonder what that one banner with MeeGo International event in Oulu was about then | 15:34 |
| GAN900 | November is developer and community-oriented, May is industry. | 15:34 |
| Jucato | "cool announcements" ... kinda sounds like the MeeGo device will be announced there | 15:34 |
| Myrtti | I saw a picture in Twitter or somewhere | 15:34 |
| Jucato | which means the actual device might ship in June? (given Elop's new policy) | 15:35 |
| mece | Myrtti, apparently there are some local events coming. Someone tweeted about a moscow event too | 15:35 |
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| Myrtti | mece: I knew about the Tampere one, but it doesn't claim to be an International one | 15:35 |
| mece | Jucato, I hope not. someone has mentioned "early" 2011 imo. | 15:35 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo does not tie in with Intel developer conferences. | 15:35 |
| GAN900 | Nor Nokia events. | 15:36 |
| frals | Jucato: are you trying to draw conclusions from what dawn (intel community rep) and elop (nokia ceo) says independent of each other? | 15:36 |
| Myrtti | could someone ask Dawn if non-developers could be included in device programmes or other similar plans? | 15:36 |
| GAN900 | Q&A | 15:36 |
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| lardman | Myrtti: she said that they need to work out what people need to do to apply | 15:36 |
| mece | what's awesome? | 15:36 |
| GAN900 | Yes! | 15:36 |
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| Myrtti | THANK YOU | 15:37 |
| mece | Woooo! | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | \o/ | 15:37 |
| mece | that is awesome. | 15:37 |
| javispedro | heh | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: no IRC life twittering this time ? | 15:37 |
| Myrtti | I ♥ Dawn | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: you must be a native speaker | 15:38 |
| javispedro | in the future, we should just put the irc channel on screen :) | 15:38 |
| GAN900 | How do we integrate KDE, Qt devs, whatever people into the community? | 15:38 |
| Jucato | frals: Nokia says the first Nokia MeeGo based device will be in 2011 (no month). Dawn mentions the SF MeeGo event (in May) will be more focused on the industry, and making cool announcements. just trying to think of scenarios. of course I'm not privy to Nokia's plans so I can only guess | 15:38 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: native speaker of what? | 15:38 |
| Termana | Can someone ask what methods she believes could be useful in allowing potential contributors to find out what needs to be contributed to and worked on? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Texas? | 15:39 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, designated IRC-life interface would be good. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 15:39 |
| mece | woo! | 15:39 |
| GAN900 | "Depends on what you're trying to do and how they're contributing." | 15:39 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: Native speaker of Finnish, though I've been mistaken for a Brit | 15:40 |
| mece | randy is texrat, right? | 15:40 |
| GAN900 | mece, yes. | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: anyway my fan still louder than Dawn | 15:40 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, you have the accent. | 15:40 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: which :-P | 15:40 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, of a brit. | 15:40 |
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| Tili | have they fixed the repo for Debian/5.0 so that I can do apt-get install meego? | 15:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk: "Is there a place we can perform MeeGo shillery on the website?" | 15:41 |
| mece | LOL | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* I'll be sure to thank BF about that :-P | 15:41 |
| GAN900 | Sorry, positive feedback area. | 15:41 |
| Tili | looks like no | 15:41 |
| GAN900 | Answer is: Don't know yet. | 15:42 |
| Termana | GAN900, are you able to see if you can put my question across | 15:42 |
| Termana | Bah nevermind | 15:42 |
| * mece applauds | 15:42 | |
| * phellarv listens to creepy music | 15:42 | |
| Jucato | elevator music :) | 15:42 |
| lardman | could do with a parabolic mike to aim at the people asking questions | 15:42 |
| lardman | and also zoom out so we can see the slides | 15:43 |
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| lardman | or have them online for us to view in real time | 15:43 |
| mece | Howcome my meegon isn't on any of the backdrops? | 15:43 |
| Termana | lardman, I think it's just because the stream audio level is low | 15:43 |
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| lardman | Termana: oh right | 15:43 |
| Myrtti | yeah, the level is really low, I had to turn off my pidgin alert sounds | 15:43 |
| Jucato | is the meego video that was shown in the very first keynote new? | 15:43 |
| Termana | stream cut | 15:43 |
| Jucato | oh streaming down | 15:43 |
| mece | well the session ended | 15:44 |
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| * Jucato hopes they make the meegon video available for download | 15:44 | |
| mece | Jucato, was there a make the meegon? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ | 15:45 |
| Jucato | mece: dunno. was referring to that short "cartoon" that was shown in the first keynote | 15:45 |
| mece | Jucato, missed it | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: alas I can't turn off my laptop fan | 15:45 |
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| Jucato | I wonder if the WeTab's fan are noisy as well :) | 15:46 |
| lassemon | niala: btw, thank you muchos, the link you gave me turned out to be crusial :) | 15:48 |
| lassemon | *crucial | 15:48 |
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| Myrtti | oh lord, after turning the volume up for listening to the stream, I get a minor shock everytime there's any sound effect... just jumped on my seat because of Seesmic Web soundeffects | 15:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, is not so bad here | 15:53 |
| mece | just fine here | 15:53 |
| lardman | I've turned the vol all the way up, but nothing too loud | 15:53 |
| lardman | running using Win though | 15:53 |
| Termana | stream is off at the moment right? | 15:53 |
| mece | I'm on Linux Mint 10. works fine. | 15:53 |
| lardman | yep for me | 15:53 |
| mece | yeah | 15:53 |
| lardman | music is back | 15:54 |
| lardman | and stream for that matter | 15:55 |
| Termana | At least they have it on *before* the talk this time | 15:56 |
| lcuk | GAN900, kathy called it a flower garden | 15:57 |
| * lcuk first time on irc mobile lol | 15:57 | |
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| lardman | hey lcuk | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | hi simon | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | could someone ask the streaming guys to level up audio gain by at LEAST 12dBm | 15:59 |
| mece | soo.. who feels like filming the "Who What When Where" presentation? | 15:59 |
| GAN900 | Termana, ah, sorry, missed it. | 16:00 |
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| mece | I'd really like to see that one. | 16:00 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, if I bump into Dawn later I'll ask. | 16:00 |
| * lardman tries "guess the attendee from a dark image of the back of their head" | 16:00 | |
| Termana | GAN900, no problem thanks - if not I'll just ask her on IRC at a later date anyway | 16:00 |
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| Termana | mece: it SHOULD be recorded, just not streamed AFAIK | 16:01 |
| lardman | oo, we're off | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | +9dB *please* | 16:04 |
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| pupnik | can i see what's going on pls? | 16:04 |
| sx0n | link? | 16:04 |
| phellarv | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 16:04 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: can't you fiddle with your audio settings, is fine here | 16:04 |
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| sx0n | thanks :) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | all maxed out | 16:04 |
| lardman | change the flash plugin settings? | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how? | 16:05 |
| lardman | I right clicked in the middle of the video, but this is Win7 | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | are there more than one vol control? | 16:05 |
| lardman | Win7 has per-app, per-plugin, per-phase of the moon, etc | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | are there more than one vol control on flash plugin? | 16:07 |
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| lardman | don't think so, not here anyway | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, that's useless | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | lardman, win7 doesn't have static IP config. | 16:09 |
| lardman | ? | 16:10 |
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| lardman | yes it does | 16:10 |
| tybollt | huh what did you say crashie? | 16:10 |
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| crashanddie | damn ctrl w | 16:10 |
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| tybollt | huh what did you say crashie? | 16:10 |
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| tybollt | are you just instigating now or what :) | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | sorry? | 16:10 |
| tybollt | < crashanddie> lardman, win7 doesn't have static IP config. | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | last I read, Win7Phone didn't have static IP config. | 16:11 |
| niala | @ meegoconf: flash HD need a 'big' processor no ? | 16:11 |
| tybollt | ehr | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | only DHCP. | 16:11 |
| tybollt | do'h I read that as windows 7 ;) | 16:11 |
| lardman | not talking about the phone here | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | nhaa :P | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | I'm not that stupid to say something like that. | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd even be capable to understand current speaker, if it weren't for my laptop fan being same level as the audio | 16:11 |
| Termana | I don't think you need to implement all that DRM crap | 16:12 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: Exactly I know you're not hence my being surprised | 16:12 |
| Termana | Just ignore what it tells you and play it anyway | 16:12 |
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| lardman | Are there parallel sessions running atm or is everyone listing to the TV stuff? | 16:13 |
| javispedro | i am on the beagleboard session | 16:13 |
| lardman | any cameras in there? I'd like to watch some other sessions eventually | 16:14 |
| lardman | video cameras that is | 16:14 |
| Termana | lardman, the other ones are being recorded not live streamed | 16:14 |
| lardman | cool | 16:14 |
| aparna | unfortunately only president's terrace has a live stream | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, Windows 7 Phone, no support for encrypted mail folders (so not compatible with most enterprise Microsoft Exchange servers), no support for static IPs (only DHCP), no HTML5, Mobile Office is horrendous (can't open my company's doc files)... | 16:14 |
| niala | now there is a speak about meego and tv | 16:15 |
| javispedro | yes there are cameras here lardman, dunno where is the feed going to though... | 16:15 |
| niala | i don't know if it's a live stream or a recorded | 16:15 |
| javispedro | oh, isee (damn lag) | 16:15 |
| lardman | np, thanks | 16:16 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: :-/ | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aha | 16:17 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: then still, it is good news for all those MS brown noses out there cause "zOMG it looks purty" :-/ | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | level like noise | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, bye conference | 16:17 |
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| niala | lol disable security and restore it | 16:26 |
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| xDaReaperx | AMD , yes ... | 16:29 |
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| lolloo | is the conference finished? | 16:42 |
| Termana | lolloo, no | 16:42 |
| niala | i think | 16:42 |
| niala | sorry | 16:42 |
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| lardman | just a talk finished | 16:42 |
| lolloo | so my TV will make more happy | 16:42 |
| lolloo | eh? | 16:43 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 16:43 |
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| lolloo | I dont want to install apps on my TV | 16:43 |
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| lardman | well they can be quite useful | 16:43 |
| lolloo | awesome talk. Guy is so experienced | 16:43 |
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| lardman | and it's all about bringing the development together | 16:43 |
| lolloo | correct | 16:44 |
| lolloo | what's the next topic? | 16:44 |
| lardman | Rapid App Development with Qt Quick | 16:44 |
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| lolloo | Qt is shortcut for quick time? | 16:45 |
| niala | idea for tv an anti-spam for publicity!!! | 16:45 |
| lardman | no | 16:45 |
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| lolloo | what is it then? | 16:45 |
| lardman | http://qt.nokia.com/products/ | 16:45 |
| lolloo | awesome | 16:45 |
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| lolloo | Qt is Java like | 16:46 |
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| Myrtti | er, no. It's GTK like | 16:46 |
| niala | lolloo: qt is c++ | 16:47 |
| lolloo | I Qt every where | 16:47 |
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| Myrtti | niala: not necessarily | 16:47 |
| lardman | but is supposed to be write once compile many | 16:47 |
| lolloo | awesome C++ is always faster | 16:47 |
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| niala | Myrtti: exact | 16:47 |
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| niala | lol elevator music | 16:48 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 16:48 |
| lolloo | better accent this time | 16:48 |
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| lolloo | how do you pronounce Qt? | 16:49 |
| lardman | cute | 16:49 |
| lolloo | thanks lardman | 16:49 |
| xDaReaperx | Anyone tried out the SDK ? | 16:49 |
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| lolloo | I used test app for it | 16:50 |
| niala | it's very simple and complete if you know c++ | 16:50 |
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| xDaReaperx | so there was a QML photoviewer for the N900 | 16:50 |
| xDaReaperx | :D | 16:50 |
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| petteri | is there slides available for the presentations? | 16:52 |
| lolloo | are we from Mars? | 16:52 |
| lardman | petteri: there will be but later | 16:52 |
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| petteri | lardman: thanks. I am looking the presentation and it is little confusing to see the presentator click throught the slides that one cannot see | 16:53 |
| lardman | yeah I know | 16:53 |
| niala | petteri: +1 | 16:53 |
| lardman | would be nice to have the slides up online at the same time, perhaps tomorrow ;) | 16:53 |
| niala | but he have a nice t'hsirt | 16:53 |
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| lardman | hey camera chap, zoom out please | 16:53 |
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| Jucato | need to see the projector :( | 16:54 |
| niala | ty a lot :) | 16:54 |
| petteri | whuhuu :) | 16:54 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 16:54 |
| pastra | lardman: Nice! :-) | 16:54 |
| Jucato | yay thanks :) | 16:54 |
| lardman | we are afaiu lagging, so nothing to do with me anyway :) | 16:54 |
| lolloo | awesome | 16:54 |
| * GAN900 is in IVI. | 16:55 | |
| lardman | IVI? | 16:55 |
| niala | in vehicle entertainment | 16:56 |
| lardman | thanks | 16:56 |
| niala | or something like that | 16:56 |
| lardman | GAN900: jumping dolphin animations? | 16:56 |
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| lardman | not sure about all this typing, if they want easy to use then going the VB route would imo be better | 16:57 |
| lardman | drag and drop controls, write some code where you're told to, etc | 16:57 |
| niala | there is a qtdesigner to | 16:57 |
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| alsihad | are these numbers pixel values? how does that help with resolution independence? | 16:58 |
| niala | maybe he show later | 16:58 |
| lardman | yeah I imagine you can generate that code in the designer too | 16:58 |
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| lardman | alsihad: you probably don't need to specify pixel values, or can change the size scale to use screen percentage or dpi or similar | 16:58 |
| lardman | as a guess | 16:59 |
| niala | lardman: you know slot and signal ? | 16:59 |
| lardman | niala: yep | 16:59 |
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| niala | so with clic you can join signals and slots in qtdesigner | 16:59 |
| RST38h | lardman: Most examples of qt apps I have seen use pixel cooridnates for some reason | 17:00 |
| kenjo | anybody know how to get the stream from this page "http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming" into vlc | 17:00 |
| lardman | yeah, though QT Creator requires you to see the generated code, which is not ideal for starters | 17:00 |
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| lardman | RST38h: I think it's possible to use other metrics though, but I could be thinking of another language and toolkit | 17:00 |
| lardman | kenjo: it's a flash video | 17:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: Qt has special "filler" widgets used to fill empty spaces | 17:01 |
| RST38h | lardman: more or less like HTML table cells of size 100% | 17:01 |
| lardman | yeah, those and layouts are confusing if we're talking about complete beginners | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | lardman: still, I would rather have complete beginners learn them from the start | 17:02 |
| niala | RST38h: you mean layer by 'special filler' ? | 17:02 |
| Jucato | (not as confusing or annoying as layouting in HTML/CSS) | 17:02 |
| lardman | and while I remember, moving things around in QTDesigner (like dropping widgets into layouts) can be nearly impossible | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lardman: *or* they will be using coordinates for the rest fo their lives | 17:02 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: thanks for the "non-dev device programme" answer :-) | 17:02 |
| lardman | Jucato: sure, but we're talking about getting newbies to code | 17:02 |
| RST38h | niala: no | 17:02 |
| DawnFoster | Myrtti: was that your question? :) | 17:03 |
| Myrtti | yeah :-D | 17:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: Well, it is way easier to code UI than use the designer :) | 17:03 |
| DawnFoster | Nice! I think it's really important to reward & provide resources for all contributors | 17:03 |
| auke | Myrtti: I just talked to Amy, and we'll look at getting some MeeGo T-shirts out available through perhaps caffeepress out after the conference | 17:03 |
| lardman | RST38h: yep and that's the problem | 17:04 |
| Myrtti | auke: brilliant ♥ | 17:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: To me, it is not | 17:04 |
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| DawnFoster | we really need to put together a proper t-shirt / schwag shop for meego | 17:04 |
| RST38h | lardman: To people responsible for the QtDesigner, maybe | 17:04 |
| DawnFoster | like what the LF has for Linux | 17:04 |
| lardman | RST38h: again, this Qt Quick thing is supposed to make it easy for non-devs to code, so in that case a nice UI-based development system is what they need | 17:04 |
| niala | I want one t-shirt | 17:04 |
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| Jucato | lardman: I'm also referring to newbies to web design :) | 17:05 |
| RST38h | lardman: Has been attempted before, invariably failed. | 17:05 |
| lardman | VB | 17:05 |
| RST38h | lardman: Right. | 17:05 |
| Jucato | just saying that understanding and using Q*Layout is so much more easier and pleasing than layouting in CSS :) | 17:05 |
| lardman | I think it's pretty easy to code with | 17:05 |
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| lardman | Jucato: yeah I can believe that, never having wanted to look at CSS :) | 17:05 |
| RST38h | lardman: Still not usable by a non-developer for anything bigger than the first 2-3 book examples | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | lardman: (also, VB used absolute coordinates with a snap grid) | 17:06 |
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| lardman | I know | 17:06 |
| alsihad | how about illumination software creator? :) | 17:07 |
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| lardman | never used it, what does it generate? | 17:07 |
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| lardman | looks like LabView | 17:07 |
| lardman | :) | 17:07 |
| alsihad | haven't tried it either. it "compiles" graphical representation of programs into python/gtk, android, qt/c++ (afair) | 17:07 |
| alsihad | and it's meant for non-coders | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | Are any non-coders using it?=) | 17:08 |
| * Jucato will read the scrollback later after watching, too distracting :) | 17:08 | |
| alsihad | i think so. but i don't know what they build with it | 17:09 |
| niala | i'm lost | 17:09 |
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| lardman | yeah, anyone running driftnet? | 17:13 |
| lardman | :) | 17:13 |
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| pupnik | kenjo: looks like it can only be started from javascript data="http://player.netromedia.com/flowplayer.commercial-3.1.5.swf" "key":"#$73f1e392784f1491601" | 17:13 |
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| niala | he has not a lot of warning like me on his debug consol :) | 17:16 |
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| araujo | who is the proxy here to ask questions in the conf? | 17:17 |
| araujo | :) | 17:17 |
| lardman | just ask and someone will ask for you, hopefully ;) | 17:17 |
| araujo | good :) | 17:17 |
| Myrtti | the WYSIWYG thing would make the learning curve lot less steep, if not for anything else than toggling between wysiwyg and source and see what does what | 17:18 |
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| niala | Myrtti: +1 completely agree | 17:20 |
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| djszapi | can I go to the desired page (for instance 525.) in osso_pdfviewer ? | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | that's how I learnt proper HTML 15 years ago | 17:21 |
| lardman | cool, mobile mic, thanks AV guys | 17:22 |
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| araujo | one question here guys | 17:24 |
| araujo | : | 17:24 |
| araujo | What is the recommended way to do transitions (between views) in QML?, | 17:24 |
| araujo | I have noticed you can do many interesting things for transitions controlling the | 17:24 |
| araujo | opacity of the elements, but I wonder if this could create some | 17:24 |
| araujo | performance problems. | 17:24 |
| araujo | can somebody ask this one? | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | too late | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | :-< | 17:24 |
| niala | clap clap clap | 17:24 |
| Jucato | elevator music time | 17:24 |
| araujo | ..... | 17:24 |
| lardman | what's our lag? | 17:24 |
| djszapi | wc | 17:24 |
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| lardman | is important for those who want to ask questions | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | araujo: if you're on twitter you can ask him directly | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | araujo: and he is on IRC quite often | 17:24 |
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| araujo | I will! :P | 17:25 |
| araujo | Thanks! | 17:25 |
| Myrtti | his handle is hhartz on both, IIRC | 17:25 |
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| Jucato | funky elevator music :) | 17:26 |
| niala | Jucato: yes banjo time | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | it's not too bad, it could be pan pipes | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | "count your blessings" | 17:27 |
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| Jucato | bag pipes? | 17:28 |
| * Jucato doesn't know pan pipes | 17:28 | |
| niala | Is laptop for presentation on meego or windows95 ? :) | 17:28 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_flute | 17:28 |
| Jucato | ah pan flute I know :) | 17:29 |
| Jucato | but since it's Ireland there, I would have presumed bagpipes take priority :) | 17:29 |
| berndhs | bagpipes have been banned due to human rights concerns | 17:29 |
| niala | need somes olives to eat | 17:30 |
| Jucato | berndhs: seriously? | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: I just refer to my experiences on being held on customer service telephone calls | 17:30 |
| berndhs | they're afraid of the torture accusations | 17:30 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: heh then I don't know what's worse, pan pipes or crappy pop music :) | 17:30 |
| Jucato | berndhs: lol | 17:30 |
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| * GAN900 is in the arch session. | 17:31 | |
| niala | Is other session in same times ? several at same times ? | 17:32 |
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| Jucato | yep. typical geek conference | 17:32 |
| Jucato | but only 1 track (1 location) is being broadcasted live | 17:32 |
| niala | ok maybe recorded ? | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | I wish people had FlipCams like I had at the Linux Collab Summit | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | then the others could atleast be recorded | 17:33 |
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| Myrtti | don't know if they are | 17:33 |
| Jucato | niala: hopefully :/ | 17:33 |
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| niala | on n900 | 17:33 |
| niala | :) | 17:33 |
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| Jucato | I guess we should be grateful we're even getting a live feed. I know of no such thing during Qt DevDays | 17:33 |
| Jucato | (and they post the videos after a long period) | 17:34 |
| berndhs | does anyone know how to do audio capture on Qt on Meego ? the old QAudioInput stuff is gone | 17:34 |
| niala | yes great job | 17:34 |
| snowpong | anybody know whats next on the live steam? | 17:34 |
| JPohlmann | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/qt-c-and-qml-code-co-operation | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | snowpong: the schedule is underneath the stream itself... | 17:35 |
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| niala | hard rock time :) my heart has jump | 17:35 |
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| Jucato | it's a bit amusing to listen to the music while watching the next speaker typing away :) | 17:36 |
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| snowpong | Myrtti: so it's the Qt C++ and QML then I guess | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | how come it echoes that much? | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | the previous ones haven't echoed | 17:36 |
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| snowpong | Myrtti: no echo here | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | it's gone now | 17:39 |
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| Myrtti | I guess that loud *ponk* was someone turning the extra mic off and the echo was gone | 17:39 |
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| lardman | might need to see the screen again | 17:39 |
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| Jucato | maaaaybe :) | 17:40 |
| berndhs | would be cool to see the slides | 17:41 |
| lardman | Can someone ask the cameraman to pan across? | 17:41 |
| JPohlmann | Yes please | 17:41 |
| Myrtti | the volume is even lower than before | 17:41 |
| Myrtti | or he's not as loud | 17:42 |
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| niala | Myrtti: not really for me | 17:42 |
| lardman | same as before for me | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | or my brain is becoming numb | 17:42 |
| lardman | :) | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | which is also a viable option | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | Seems like there are cameras in most sessions. | 17:42 |
| Jucato | it's a test of imagination ... try imagining the code he's talking about :) | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | So I think they're at least recording most of the talks. | 17:43 |
| lardman | yay! | 17:43 |
| lardman | well panned that man :) | 17:43 |
| niala | yeah! thank you | 17:43 |
| berndhs | it reminds us of how all this visual stuff works for teh blind | 17:43 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 17:43 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: I couldn't recognise C++ even if it jumped on me, so I'm having real trouble imagining :-D | 17:43 |
| lolloo | not funny berndhs | 17:43 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: just imagine a jungle of { }'s :) | 17:44 |
| lardman | if someone could just ask that chap in the middle to lower his head a bit too ;) | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: that's Java or CSS for me :-P | 17:44 |
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| Myrtti | erh | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 17:44 |
| berndhs | lolloo: i agree, its a real concern | 17:44 |
| Jucato | lardman: isn't the the "button" to bring up the menu? :) | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Looks like your signature at Meego.com, only with more alphanumerics =) | 17:44 |
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| lardman | Jucato: no idea :) | 17:44 |
| Jucato | haven't seen the MeeGo Handset UX? | 17:45 |
| niala | shortly i m not sure | 17:45 |
| lardman | I was taking the mick, I can just see the top of someone's head | 17:45 |
| Jucato | I know :) | 17:45 |
| niala | it's an ubuntu at top left ? | 17:46 |
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| Jucato | yep | 17:46 |
| niala | and madde for qt/qml demo | 17:47 |
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| niala | I m not sure | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | I apparently saw wazd, but didn't realize it was him. | 17:48 |
| Mat_Matan | hi | 17:49 |
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| niala | hi Mat_Matan | 17:49 |
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| Jucato | Myrtti: his voice is just low/soft (like murmuring to himself) | 17:51 |
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| Khertan_ | oh my god ... qml is really horrible | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | looking css and javascript | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | ouch | 17:52 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 17:52 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Better tell this: is there a way to make scalable UIs in QML? | 17:52 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: I.e. no absolute coordinates? | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | ouch what ? | 17:52 |
| Jucato | anchors.* | 17:53 |
| RST38h | aha | 17:53 |
| Khertan_ | beurk | 17:53 |
| RST38h | So, there is a way? | 17:53 |
| berndhs | jucato: variable sizing ? | 17:53 |
| Jucato | anchor.fill: I think | 17:53 |
| Khertan_ | lol so it s even worse than html+css :) | 17:53 |
| Jucato | but yeah, it's all in the anchors I think (from the previous talk) | 17:54 |
| Jucato | lol why did I pause the video? >.< | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Khertan: You can always use web runtime instead =) | 17:54 |
| Khertan_ | it s funny to see the ide on a so small screen ... perfectly useless | 17:54 |
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| Jucato | Khertan_: I can't believe anything can be worse than html+css :) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | speaking of the devil... | 17:54 |
| RST38h | wazd moo | 17:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 17:54 |
| wazd | Internet is up here :) | 17:55 |
| wazd | I even was able to call via skype | 17:55 |
| Khertan_ | Jucato: me too ... but now there is qml+c ... the worst of html+css with the need to manage memory | 17:55 |
| fcrochik | RST38h: you can bind all the sizes, positions to the size of other objects so would work as a percentage of them | 17:55 |
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| berndhs | and then... generate QML on the fly :) | 17:55 |
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| lardman | Khertan_: need to cater for all tastes | 17:56 |
| RST38h | fcrochik: thanks, that is what I wanted to know | 17:56 |
| RST38h | So, scalable stuff is possible in qml | 17:56 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: sorry you mean ? | 17:56 |
| Jucato | RST38h: I believe that was the reason it was created | 17:56 |
| Jucato | (started with the Declarative UI stuff from openbossa) | 17:56 |
| lardman | Khertan_: it was tongue in cheek - need to provide lots of nasty combination that will suit all possible demands | 17:57 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: hum ... why not ... but providing Python and PySide as official binding in the SDK would be better than inventing a useless new way to made GUI | 17:57 |
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| lardman | I quite agree | 17:58 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: yeah, my brain definitely turned off | 17:58 |
| lardman | Khertan_: but then web developers wouldn't be pleased | 17:58 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: WRT is for them | 17:58 |
| Khertan_ | why inventing new things again | 17:58 |
| javispedro | isnt wrt gone? | 17:58 |
| javispedro | it shouldve been replaced with qtquick? | 17:59 |
| lardman | Qt has always has Javascript scripting, so this is just an extension I guess | 17:59 |
| Khertan_ | and when i see the state of the web i prefer to not see how they will manage memory in C++ | 17:59 |
| lardman | I've not been paying any attention to the current live stream though, so may have got the wrong idea | 17:59 |
| Khertan_ | web developers <<< real web developers use python and avoid JS ... | 18:00 |
| Khertan_ | when possible | 18:00 |
| fcrochik | I still dont have a final opinion about qml but so far I found it a good replacement for ui files....of course that is not their goal | 18:00 |
| javispedro | nowhere ;) | 18:00 |
| * RST38h does not even have python installed | 18:00 | |
| lardman | fcrochik: a good replacement for ui files is C(++) code | 18:00 |
| lardman | RST38h: Python is nice | 18:01 |
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| Khertan_ | RST38h: <<< shame on you ... this mean you didn't use the best Editor on your n900 nor the best Twitter Client !!! | 18:01 |
| RST38h | fcrochik: reading some nokia blogs, I can't help but doubt they know what their goal is yet | 18:01 |
| Khertan_ | ;) | 18:01 |
| fcrochik | lardman: that two...but qml can help replacing both... for instance is a nice way of getting a very customized list | 18:01 |
| RST38h | fcrochik: So, probably makes sense to wait for 4-6 months until things clear up | 18:02 |
| lardman | fcrochik: I'm sure it has its place | 18:02 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: lol are you sure ... you will got slow customized list | 18:02 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: you mean until things die :) | 18:02 |
| fcrochik | RST38h: I don't disagree by any means | 18:02 |
| javispedro | RST38h: nice, yet another sample of sivang's "wait and see" developer mode | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Too much momentum, won't die so fast :) | 18:02 |
| Khertan_ | arg ... too bad ... | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: it is a reasonable approach | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | symbolizes a problem with the platform | 18:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro: not really, why? | 18:03 |
| fcrochik | Khertan_: I worry about that two but so far my implementation does not have any lags and it would be preety painfull to create in c++ | 18:03 |
| javispedro | its just funny I heard it mentioned moments ago :) | 18:04 |
| RST38h | javispedro: once there is a device and a usable implementation of the platform running on it, things will finally freeze in place | 18:04 |
| Khertan_ | javispedro: that symbolize ONE, an other is the communication : there is nothing to see yet | 18:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: hopefully. | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | Will the battery management for Nokia be open? | 18:04 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: oh... any screenshots ? | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | "No plans! There are no plans!" | 18:04 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: creating custom Qlistview was easy in python once concepts is understand | 18:04 |
| lardman | GAN900: you know that's the case, but will we get a binary blob? | 18:04 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Here is a good example why it makes sense to wait: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/11/14/how-to-make-modern-mobile-applications-with-qt-quick-components | 18:05 |
| Khertan_ | GAN900: this is better than : "They rebelled, and they have a plan" ... | 18:05 |
| fcrochik | Khertan_ I have it running on my phone (and some screenshots on myt tshirt).. I can post some later | 18:05 |
| javispedro | rst: agreed | 18:05 |
| berndhs | RST38h: was looking at that yesterday, but I can't get the tools | 18:05 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: sorry i m not a the meegoconf so cannot see tshirt :) | 18:05 |
| javispedro | btw | 18:06 |
| RST38h | Oh well, time to go home | 18:06 |
| javispedro | well, nothing. | 18:06 |
| lardman | argh, back to the elevator | 18:06 |
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| Khertan_ | fcrochik: http://khertan.net/_detail/khweeteur_landscape.png?id=khweeteur <<< this for example is made in python ; | 18:07 |
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| Khertan_ | :) | 18:07 |
| fcrochik | Khertan_ I didn't think so but would have been nice to meet you | 18:07 |
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| fcrochik | khertan_ I have never tried python.... I keep adding it to my list but always something else pop up | 18:08 |
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| Khertan_ | fcrochik: :) | 18:08 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: just be carreful i try python when i got my first nit (n800) ... now i'm addicted :) | 18:09 |
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| lardman | Khertan_: next talk is about Python you'll be glad to hear | 18:10 |
| Khertan_ | hum ... time for an interesting live session now :) | 18:10 |
| fcrochik | Khertan_ just to make some more noise: I would love to see a native compiler for qml and then we probably good the best of both worlds | 18:10 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: this is what i was waiting | 18:10 |
| Khertan_ | this mean that binding is now available in repository ! | 18:10 |
| Khertan_ | fcrochik: :) | 18:10 |
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| fcrochik | Khertan_ maybe I will join and see what happens | 18:10 |
| berndhs | too bad the compliance talk is not live | 18:11 |
| Khertan_ | anyway someone have a meego running on n900 ? | 18:11 |
| Khertan_ | does pyside or pyqt binding is available ? | 18:11 |
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| alterego | Khertan_: yes it is. | 18:16 |
| alterego | Might have to install it from the repositories with zypper though. | 18:17 |
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| Khertan_ | alterego: YOUHOU ! | 18:18 |
| alterego | Khertan_: wha? :P | 18:19 |
| Khertan_ | once i got enought time i ll try to made khteditor and khweeteur working on it | 18:19 |
| alterego | Cool, they're all pyside/pyqt? | 18:19 |
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| lardman | Khertan_: apparently with PR1.3 things should just move across | 18:20 |
| lardman | though I guess the Python version change may cause some minor issues? | 18:21 |
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| alterego | Possibly, though a bit unlikely, more likely issues will stem from maemo specifics being used, life files & resources. | 18:21 |
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| access | I hope the camera guys are ready to film the screen during next session if they show examples of the meego UXs | 18:22 |
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| niala | what is b.o.f in ' BoF - MeeGo Infrastructure' or 'Bof Meego Arm' | 18:22 |
| Khertan_ | lardman: the main problem is to adapt some things ... as i use some class that are available only on Maemo (QtMaemo5.QValueButton) | 18:23 |
| Myrtti | niala: birds of feather | 18:23 |
| Khertan_ | alterego: pyqt ... but pyside ready | 18:23 |
| lardman | sure | 18:23 |
| JPohlmann | niala: discussion in a group | 18:23 |
| alterego | Nice, | 18:23 |
| niala | ty | 18:24 |
| alterego | Khertan_: you should port to Qml, then you wont have to worry about widgets not being there. | 18:24 |
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| alterego | I like the ValueButton widget .. | 18:24 |
| Khertan_ | alterego: hum ... and so i ll worry about sizing widget | 18:24 |
| Khertan_ | mouarf | 18:24 |
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| Khertan_ | qml ... probably the worst qt idea | 18:24 |
| Khertan_ | :)à | 18:24 |
| alterego | pfft | 18:25 |
| alterego | Compile QtMaemo5 for MeeGo then :D | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | Khertan_: I don't think anyone is forced to use it against their will | 18:25 |
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| Khertan_ | Myrtti: exactly :) | 18:25 |
| alterego | It's such a nice widget, the ValueButton. | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | Khertan_: so why complain? | 18:25 |
| Khertan_ | alterego: there is no need :) | 18:25 |
| Khertan_ | Myrtti: because i explain my point of view when someone suggest me to use it :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | Eesh, just realised it's gotten really dark and I'm actually working in almost complete darkness ^.^ | 18:26 |
| * alterego turns on the light. | 18:26 | |
| Khertan_ | alterego: yeah ... thx ... same problem here | 18:26 |
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| * Khertan_ turn the light on | 18:27 | |
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| alterego | Thinking of making my accuraccy graph finger scrollable. | 18:27 |
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| * alterego adds it to his enhancement ideas. | 18:28 | |
| slaine | Gestures in Qt session about to start | 18:28 |
| niala | I haven't see a lot of meego tshirt wearing | 18:29 |
| slaine | probably wear mine tomorrow | 18:31 |
| slaine | i arrived with a shirt today for some reason | 18:31 |
| berndhs | video feed suggests its chilly over there | 18:31 |
| niala | slaine: hello, you are at Dublin | 18:31 |
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| slaine | berndhs: sure is | 18:31 |
| slaine | niala: yes | 18:31 |
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| niala | cool | 18:32 |
| berndhs | i recommended to have the conference someplace warm, but nooo... | 18:32 |
| Jucato | no. cold :) | 18:32 |
| niala | lol | 18:32 |
| Jucato | I don't think "warm" and "geeks" mix that well though | 18:32 |
| slaine | I'm from dublin, so suits me | 18:32 |
| slaine | :-D | 18:32 |
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| berndhs | or maybe its warm for Finns | 18:33 |
| niala | :) | 18:33 |
| slaine | they're all in t-shirts, so probably | 18:33 |
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| lardman | hmm | 18:37 |
| lardman | or people can't be bothered to push them there | 18:37 |
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| lardman | can we turn to face the screen please? | 18:39 |
| Khertan_ | something missing in the live streaming is the slide | 18:40 |
| alsihad | lol, productive hating | 18:41 |
| niala | meego poster behind him would be nice in a child room | 18:41 |
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| Khertan_ | ps : pyqt mobility location is working very well on maemo :) | 18:42 |
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| Khertan_ | oups wrong window | 18:42 |
| alterego | teeheehee | 18:43 |
| berndhs | khertan_: can you do audio capture with pyqt ? | 18:43 |
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| Khertan_ | berndhs: you should be able the widget recorder made in python record the incoming call or the mic | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | berndhs, maybe next November. . . . | 18:43 |
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| berndhs | call me strange, but i want to record audio on phones | 18:44 |
| alterego | You're strange, but probably not for wanting to do that specifically ;) | 18:44 |
| slaine | GAN900: you make over ? | 18:44 |
| Khertan_ | you want to record auid on phones ... you mean recording the phone call ? | 18:44 |
| GAN900 | slaine, in the Compliance talk right now. | 18:45 |
| Khertan_ | it s already exist :) | 18:45 |
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| berndhs | no recording voice or ambient sounds | 18:45 |
| slaine | cool, in the Qt Gestures talk atm | 18:45 |
| slaine | might see you at the reception | 18:45 |
| alterego | Using the Qt multimedia API you can do that very easily. | 18:45 |
| Khertan_ | berndhs: in fact you can do both :) | 18:45 |
| alterego | I'm pretty sure that's in Py-Qt/Side | 18:45 |
| niala | please cameraman the slide :) | 18:45 |
| berndhs | the Qt multimedia isn't on meego 1.1 | 18:45 |
| slaine | gonna sleep the netbook for now so I've battery for the next session | 18:46 |
| slaine | laters | 18:46 |
| niala | laters slaine | 18:46 |
| Khertan_ | hum does there is another streaming for the slide ? | 18:46 |
| niala | slide | 18:46 |
| GAN900 | Khertan_, no | 18:46 |
| GAN900 | Stupidly | 18:46 |
| Khertan_ | :( | 18:46 |
| berndhs | we might be missing a good fight in teh Compliance session :) | 18:47 |
| Khertan_ | or not | 18:47 |
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| lardman | Khertan_: no slides, just have to hope the camera man pans over | 18:47 |
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| lardman | otherwise it's quite boring | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | berndhs, Q&A hasn't started yet. | 18:48 |
| berndhs | maybe Marcelo forgot his slides | 18:48 |
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| niala | sure and slide help non english people | 18:48 |
| niala | another ubuntu laptop | 18:50 |
| niala | if stickers is right | 18:50 |
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| GAN900 | niala, I've got a MeeGo sticker on my Mini 9. Guess what it runs? *g* | 18:51 |
| alterego | Windows 7? | 18:51 |
| lardman | lol | 18:51 |
| berndhs | XP ? | 18:51 |
| alterego | Mac OS X? | 18:51 |
| GAN900 | OS X ;) | 18:51 |
| alterego | Mini 9 is nice, got one of those. | 18:52 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:52 |
| GAN900 | Not bad | 18:52 |
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| GAN900 | I need a bigger SSD | 18:52 |
| alterego | My gf has stolen it though. | 18:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, she uses an ext USB stick for all her music/media/etc | 18:52 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bbl | 18:52 |
| GAN900 | oof, batteries going low. | 18:53 |
| Khertan_ | niala: exactly :) | 18:53 |
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| lardman | would be nice to have some example code of the small layer :) | 18:59 |
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| lardman | what was that question? | 18:59 |
| Khertan_ | python + ovi | 19:00 |
| lardman | ok | 19:00 |
| Khertan_ | and the answer ? wait and see | 19:01 |
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| lolloo | hey | 19:05 |
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| lolloo | I see you | 19:05 |
| lolloo | hahaha | 19:05 |
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| lardman | hmm, Open Architecture Process in MeeGo | 19:07 |
| berndhs | sounds like an interesting topic | 19:07 |
| niala | stream down ? | 19:08 |
| lardman | yep | 19:08 |
| berndhs | its stopped here | 19:08 |
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| pohly | Just when it gets interesting ;-} | 19:08 |
| berndhs | the fight from compliance spilled over ? | 19:08 |
| lardman | well it was the end of the talk | 19:08 |
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| lardman | we're back | 19:10 |
| pupnik | huhu | 19:10 |
| pupnik | is fun being had? | 19:11 |
| niala | ooh an apple for the slide | 19:11 |
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| access | woohooo nokia english \o/ ;) | 19:12 |
| niala | not a single Meego at conf :) | 19:13 |
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| berndhs | slides would be a novel, nay revolutionary contribution | 19:13 |
| niala | hey CosmoHill | 19:13 |
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| CosmoHill | bleh | 19:19 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | later | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | I just want to chill out atm | 19:19 |
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| jykae | wo-ou, live conference streaming | 19:23 |
| jykae | cool | 19:24 |
| niala | apple more visible than meego lol | 19:26 |
| alsihad | not on my twitter stream | 19:26 |
| alsihad | and that represents objective reality if there ever was one ;) | 19:26 |
| niala | I use apple please invest in meego :) | 19:26 |
| berndhs | ah but he runs MeeGo on his apple :) | 19:27 |
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| CosmoHill | most of the intel developers use apples | 19:29 |
| CosmoHill | 15" and 17" macbook pros have Intel HD and Nvidia graphics | 19:30 |
| javispedro | hehe | 19:30 |
| niala | CosmoHill: true? i know apple use intel but which Os use them ? | 19:30 |
| pupnik | having a good time javispedro ? | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | what OS do apple use or intel guys? | 19:30 |
| lardman | bbiam | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: yep :) | 19:31 |
| alsihad | hm, i have an unused atom based mini pc sitting on my desk. should put meego on it | 19:31 |
| pupnik | glad to hear it. discover anything worth googling/sharing today? | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | alsihad: you could try the live image from a memory stick | 19:31 |
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| niala | I m the only guy on meego? lol I feel stupid | 19:32 |
| alsihad | CosmoHill: good idea. i'll download it right away :) | 19:32 |
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| CosmoHill | niala: hehe, I'm not even on x86 :p | 19:32 |
| Myrtti | who gives a crap on what operating system the development is done on? as long as the end product is good, to each of their own | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | it's a shame the only meego compatable mac is £1500+ | 19:33 |
| pupnik | make more youtubes ppl :) | 19:34 |
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| niala | Myrtti: they don't use/trust their own product? | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | niala: they make meego on build servers | 19:36 |
| dm8tbr | more dogfood! omnomnomnom | 19:36 |
| berndhs | I think they actually do run MeeGo | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | niala: I wouldn't use any netbook UI for development | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: apparantly meego can have xfce too | 19:36 |
| alsihad | all this talk about dogfood makes me hungry | 19:36 |
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| townxelliot | CosmoHill: most of the Intel developers (engineers, not designers) I know in London use Linux (Fedora, Debian etc.) on Intel hardware | 19:37 |
| pupnik | looks like qt-quick is the real big news here isn't it | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | I didn't meantion what OS they use | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | just said that macbook pros have intel HD graphics :) | 19:37 |
| townxelliot | CosmoHill: I thought you asked "what OS do apple use or intel guys?" | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | that was niala | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait | 19:39 |
| CosmoHill | I was asking niala that | 19:39 |
| niala | I imagine an apple presentation with windows os | 19:39 |
| townxelliot | CosmoHill: I thought you might be interested :) | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | it\s good to know | 19:40 |
| niala | townxelliot: ty interresting | 19:40 |
| CosmoHill | I like the idea of them getting new macs and just replacing the OS | 19:40 |
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| CosmoHill | but I know most of them do use mac os x | 19:40 |
| townxelliot | CosmoHill: most of who? | 19:41 |
| CosmoHill | the intel people in here | 19:41 |
| townxelliot | CosmoHill: ah | 19:41 |
| alsihad | last time i tried, linux didn't work that well on my mbp | 19:41 |
| pohly | My proposal was to use SyncEvolution inside Buteo. | 19:41 |
| niala | alsihad: that was last century | 19:42 |
| pohly | To bad I'm not at the conference. | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | (macbook pros came out in 2006" | 19:42 |
| CosmoHill | ) | 19:42 |
| alsihad | niala: i'm pretty sure it was kubuntu 10.04 | 19:42 |
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| priya_ | NickServ IDENTIFY pvijayan priya123 | 20:45 |
| priya_ | wrong message | 20:45 |
| inz | Now you go and chane your password? | 20:46 |
| priya_ | :) | 20:46 |
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| Myrtti | sasl ♥ | 20:47 |
| srikanth_rst | Hello any one can give me the meego liveconference link | 20:48 |
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| Myrtti | srikanth_rst: the stream? | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | srikanth_rst: I don't think they're streaming anything right now, the sessions are over for today | 20:50 |
| srikanth_rst | Myrtti:yes please | 20:50 |
| stephg | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 20:50 |
| srikanth_rst | thanks stephg | 20:50 |
| stephg | but as Myrtti says, nothing right now; they won't start again till the morning | 20:50 |
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| Myrtti | (then again the same page has the schedule for the stream, so I guess it is marginally useful as is too) | 20:51 |
| srikanth_rst | thanks | 20:51 |
| stephg | Myrtti: I was out most of the afternoon; do we know if any of the streams will be available online? | 20:52 |
| stephg | I missed earlier this morning :/ | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | stephg: supposedly at some point | 20:52 |
| srikanth_rst | at lest 3 hours back i was streaming in office | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | srikanth_rst: that was three hours ago | 20:53 |
| stephg | heh | 20:53 |
| srikanth_rst | :) | 20:53 |
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| srikanth_rst | i think tomorrow most of the Hand set topics will be covered | 20:54 |
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| stephg | I have to work tomorrow :( | 20:58 |
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| sam` | hello | 21:10 |
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| sam` | is it possible to build and put together the various components that make a MeeGo image without using the image creator? | 21:11 |
| wmarone | probably | 21:12 |
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| sam` | wmarone: I would guess so too, but I have a hard time finding information on this | 21:12 |
| sam` | which I think bogs down to "finding what the image creator actually does, and it what order" | 21:13 |
| wmarone | basically. They wrote MIC2 to do that job | 21:13 |
| wmarone | though you can get a rough idea from the kickstart files themselves | 21:13 |
| sam` | i'm not sure I understand where OBS stands into this picture | 21:14 |
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| dm8tbr | obs is one step before that | 21:15 |
| dm8tbr | obs creates the packages that then can be installed | 21:16 |
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| sam` | dm8tbr: it creates RPM packages, or something different? | 21:17 |
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| dm8tbr | yes, in case of MeeGo it's RPMs | 21:17 |
| sam` | ok | 21:18 |
| npm | is there a URL for today's recorded sessions? (PST timezone, was asleep and/or eating breakfast/etc) | 21:18 |
| Myrtti | npm: AFAIK there isn't one yet | 21:19 |
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| npm | i guess this'll be like "tivo"ing a popular TV show. | 21:21 |
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| niala | #meego is very quiet this evening | 22:52 |
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| CosmoHill | boobies | 22:53 |
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| niala | boobies ? | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | (breasts) | 22:54 |
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| niala | ahh not policeman | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | that's "bobbies" | 22:56 |
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| NooBmonk3y | oh what a great conversation to walk in to :) | 22:56 |
| niala | ahhhh | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | not to be confused with bobby who is an awesome dog that I miss :( | 22:57 |
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| niala | what kind of dog ? | 22:59 |
| CosmoHill | Lancaster Heeler | 22:59 |
| niala | like Burt lancaster | 22:59 |
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| niala | is that a hot dog ? | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | burt? no idea | 23:02 |
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| niala | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Lancaster not a good joke sorry | 23:03 |
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| CosmoHill | here: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby2.jpg | 23:10 |
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| CosmoHill | have people enjoyed the first day of the conference? | 23:17 |
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| djszapi | what is the most common way to install meego on N900 which contains now a Maemo5 ? | 23:21 |
| niala | CosmoHill: it reminds me gremlins :) | 23:22 |
| CosmoHill | with a computer, usb cable and a microSD card (2GB+) | 23:22 |
| djszapi | mmh, I do not have microSD card here. | 23:23 |
| CosmoHill | I got some cheap ones from ireland | 23:24 |
| niala | djszapi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQDZypO-5Y&feature=player_embedded | 23:24 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait they were regular SD | 23:24 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: I mean cute like a gremlins your boobies | 23:26 |
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| alsihad | gremlin boobies? rule 34? | 23:27 |
| djszapi | ahhh I got a 8gb sd card with the phone. | 23:28 |
| niala | bobby sorry confused :) | 23:29 |
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| CosmoHill | I was gonna say, I'm a dude | 23:30 |
| niala | alsihad: what is rule 34 ? | 23:30 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot -> this one then ? :P | 23:30 |
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| CosmoHill | djszapi: you will lose all the data on the card by putting meego on it | 23:30 |
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| alsihad | niala: Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions | 23:32 |
| djszapi | CosmoHill: that is not a problem | 23:32 |
| djszapi | but thank you for your warning | 23:32 |
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| djszapi | http://pastebin.com/ -> What do I do wrong, I would like to enable the R&D mode. | 23:49 |
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| niala | djszapi: there is nothing in your pastebin | 23:51 |
| djszapi | http://pastie.org/1300856 | 23:52 |
| niala | sorry i haven't any arm maybe #meego-arm can help you? | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | it's 10pm on the first day of the conferance, maybe people are tired | 23:55 |
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| djszapi | do not think so, they have just gone to a party ;) | 23:56 |
| niala | I think so | 23:56 |
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