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| djszapi | it worked on maemo earlir (other device than N900): ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up and then ssh root@192.168.2.14, why does it not work now from the host ? | 00:02 |
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| djszapi | ssh root@192.168.2.15, sorry | 00:03 |
| * CosmoHill puts on his "got root" hat | 00:03 | |
| djszapi | ssh root@192.168.2.15 | 00:03 |
| djszapi | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: No route to host | 00:03 |
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| mihero | ssh serveris not installed on default into maemo | 00:09 |
| djszapi | bad joke ? | 00:10 |
| CosmoHill | services* | 00:11 |
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| alsihad | anyone know the "official" name for intel n10/ich7 chipset and stuff? | 00:14 |
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| alsihad | how are those called on intels driver download page? | 00:15 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 00:27 |
| CosmoHill | hola | 00:27 |
| niala | hello Stskeeps | 00:28 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: do you have any idea what do I do wrong ? http://pastie.org/1300856 | 00:34 |
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| CosmoHill | holy crap AMD joined MeeGo | 00:41 |
| Stskeeps | good guess would be to actually shut down the device and take out usb, start flasher, plug in | 00:41 |
| niala | CosmoHill: amd joined meego ? | 00:42 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODc4Ng | 00:42 |
| berndhs | cosmohill: does AMD know about this? | 00:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 00:43 |
| CosmoHill | I'd hope so, they annoced it | 00:43 |
| berndhs | well, you never know who is smoking what these days | 00:44 |
| Stskeeps | press release and all | 00:44 |
| berndhs | would be nice though, to have MeeGo on non SSSE machines | 00:44 |
| CosmoHill | somewhere it says AMD work on MeeGo | 00:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I can't find it on the AMD or MeeGo website | 00:46 |
| wmarone | and non-intel graphic, ATI, at least ;) | 00:46 |
| wmarone | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/amd-will-contribute-engineering-expertise-to-meego-development/ | 00:47 |
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| djszapi | Stskeep: that did not help, same msg. | 00:49 |
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| djszapi | it is somehow a shame ssh server is not shipped by default. | 00:49 |
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| wmarone | most people won't need it | 00:49 |
| djszapi | how can they test their application, like QML on the device then with no usb network ? | 00:50 |
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| djszapi | I think I have never seen a person around me who did not require ssh server | 00:51 |
| wmarone | djszapi: for a mobile OS, do you really think it is necessary for every handset, tablet, and netbook to advertise remote logon services? | 00:52 |
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| djszapi | for hackers ? for sure! | 00:53 |
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| djszapi | inevitable. | 00:54 |
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| djszapi | and also for non-hackers, if I would like to read a pdf as a simple user, I should upload it with scp over ssh protocol that I cannot do. | 00:55 |
| djszapi | and plenty of other data communication between the host and the device. I think this is a bare minimum, if I buy an expensive device. | 00:55 |
| wmarone | djszapi: neither of those require ssh. if you have the authority over the device you can install it yourself | 00:55 |
| djszapi | with no internet connection ? | 00:55 |
| djszapi | how ? | 00:56 |
| * wmarone wonders why people buy deviecs intended for internet connectivity and suddenly have none | 00:56 | |
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| djszapi | N900 != internet tablet... | 00:57 |
| djszapi | but I would wonder if I said news for you... | 00:58 |
| wmarone | no, but it has wifi and 3G data support and was designed around having it | 00:58 |
| djszapi | no, not really. | 00:58 |
| wmarone | that you've found yourself in a position where you suddenly need to ssh into a device that has been freshly reset but have no internet connection (and didn't bring along the .debs you might need for anything) is outside the scope of, well, mos tthings | 00:59 |
| djszapi | but if it is the fact, it is pretty silly design. There are a couple of people with wired internet connection for sure... | 00:59 |
| wmarone | silly to not include a possible attack vector that can be enabled by those that need it? | 01:00 |
| djszapi | no idea what you are talking about. | 01:00 |
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| djszapi | possible attack vector ?:)))) made my day. | 01:00 |
| wmarone | are you saying that openssh hasn't had any flaws in it? | 01:01 |
| djszapi | you will experience new things about harmattan in the future I think so, when it will be released, I am pretty sure. | 01:01 |
| wmarone | what does this have to do with harmattan? | 01:01 |
| wmarone | I thought this was about MeeGo not including sshd by default | 01:01 |
| djszapi | you were obviously wrong | 01:02 |
| wmarone | I don't know, this is #meego after all | 01:02 |
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| djszapi | it is about a platform usability, I do not have wireless internet connection, because the people from whom I rent the lodging decided so. | 01:02 |
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| Termana | morning | 01:03 |
| djszapi | and this very simple situation makes my _expensive_ phone useless. | 01:03 |
| wmarone | platform usability for corner cases is not reasonable to plan for | 01:03 |
| djszapi | :)))))))))))))))))0 | 01:03 |
| wmarone | however, you should have thought ahead and brought an SD card | 01:03 |
| berndhs | should have though ahead and installed sshd | 01:03 |
| djszapi | with no wireless internet connection ? again: how ? | 01:04 |
| wmarone | "hold on guys, our usability experts are wrong cause someone might want to do the unsupported thing and install sshd without any network access" | 01:04 |
| djszapi | I have got an SD card, but no idea how that helps for me now... | 01:04 |
| wmarone | djszapi: installed it before you were left without wireless access, or go download the .deb files with your wired connection and transfer them using the sd card | 01:04 |
| wmarone | you... did install the rootsh package, right? | 01:05 |
| djszapi | again: how ? | 01:05 |
| djszapi | 'installed it before you were left without wireless access' - no idea what you are talking about, I have never had wireless access here, so there was nothing to leave. | 01:06 |
| wmarone | well I didn't know that | 01:07 |
| djszapi | 'go download the .deb files with your wired connection and transfer them using the sd card' -> I do not understand this step because I have never used sd card earlier that way, so any hint is welcome. | 01:07 |
| Termana | djszapi, if you're trying to still use flasher and still getting the message you were getting - completely shut it down, remove the back cover and battery, wait 10 seconds, put the battery back in, cover back on and try flashing (I assume you know the PROPER flashing procedure?) | 01:07 |
| djszapi | you just should have said that then, if you do not know something. | 01:07 |
| wmarone | djszapi: I was under the impression that at some point you -had- wireless connectivity | 01:07 |
| djszapi | Termana: happened, did not help | 01:07 |
| wmarone | anyway | 01:07 |
| djszapi | Termana: sure I can follow a 'tutorial'. | 01:08 |
| djszapi | copy paste works here. | 01:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, ping | 01:08 |
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| djszapi | to be honest, I would like to try my QML application out on this new device, but it seems it is a hard task, dunno why... | 01:09 |
| Termana | djszapi, I was asking if you knew. All you need to do is have it off, hold U and then plug the USB cord in (making sure you've run flasher command beforehand) | 01:09 |
| djszapi | 01:07 < djszapi> Termana: happened, did not help | 01:09 |
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| wmarone | djszapi: see if you can get started here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications#.debs | 01:11 |
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| Termana | djszapi, do it like this then - take out the battery, plug USB in, start flasher, hold U and put battery in (while still holding U and still having the cord in already) | 01:12 |
| djszapi | Termana: really does not work | 01:12 |
| Termana | djszapi, have you tried doing it as I just described rather than the normal procedure? | 01:13 |
| djszapi | y | 01:13 |
| Termana | Wtf - what do you mean why? I don't know - maybe because you want to use flasher and you're having trouble doing it the normal way? | 01:14 |
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| djszapi | y = yes | 01:15 |
| Termana | Oh. right | 01:15 |
| djszapi | ( like in command line ) | 01:15 |
| Termana | And it still gives you that message? | 01:15 |
| djszapi | y | 01:15 |
| Termana | Strange. The message is suppose to only come on when the device is already on and in PC Suite Mode | 01:15 |
| djszapi | I always said it is strange... | 01:16 |
| djszapi | okay, something happened, it does not boot any longer... | 01:19 |
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| djszapi | so why does not it boot after your recommendation ? :) | 01:20 |
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| djszapi | ifconfig n900 | 01:31 |
| djszapi | n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 01:31 |
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| djszapi | any idea ? | 01:48 |
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| npm | i installed the sshd package and this additional thingie from the control panel that turns it on/off on my n900 -- go to the application installer | 02:49 |
| npm | but i'm still awaiting my microsdhc card so's i can dual boot | 02:50 |
| npm | of course, i'd prefer a wired ethernet connection myself, but given the size and space available for extra ports... i guess it's an understandable tradeoff ... | 02:51 |
| npm | ^^^ djszapi | 02:52 |
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| npm | will this help? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking | 02:56 |
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| thebootroo | hello | 03:11 |
| thebootroo | is there any meego handset dev here ? | 03:11 |
| thebootroo | i'm trying to build my own connection UI for connman in plain Qt using the libconnman-qt found on MeeGo Handset UX | 03:12 |
| thebootroo | i've dl it and compiled fine, but i don't know how to use its functions in my project since it's not yet document AFAIK | 03:13 |
| thebootroo | i've tried to #include "networklistmodel.h" and then new NetworkListModel(this); and after that affect this model to a list view but it creates a segfault | 03:14 |
| thebootroo | any idea here ? | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | http://meego.com/community/bug-tracking just that | 03:16 |
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| thebootroo | pupnik: it's for me ? | 03:16 |
| niala | thebootroo: it's more a qt problem no? | 03:17 |
| thebootroo | because its not a bug (at least i believe) | 03:17 |
| niala | maybe try #qt | 03:17 |
| thebootroo | it's just i don't know how to use the function provided by the libconnman-qt, which is developped by MeeGo dev tem | 03:17 |
| thebootroo | it's not a Qt problem | 03:18 |
| thebootroo | i know Qt quite well | 03:18 |
| thebootroo | it's just that as far i don't found any documentation for this newly written lib i can't use it so i'm lookin here to find the developpers of the lib | 03:19 |
| niala | thebootroo: ok sorry misunderstand | 03:20 |
| thebootroo | no pb | 03:20 |
| mikeleib_lunch | ohwait | 03:23 |
| thebootroo | wut ? | 03:23 |
| mikeleib_lunch | thebootroo: wuz yer connman-qt problem? | 03:23 |
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| mikeleib | thebootroo: libconnman-qt isn't documented, true | 03:26 |
| thebootroo | the problem is that i'm trying to build my own UI for connecting internet trought ConnMan, in plain Qt, and i don't know how to use the DBus proxy (libconnman-qt is rougly a QDbusProxy) wirtten by the Intel guys | 03:26 |
| mikeleib | I wrote libconnman-qt | 03:26 |
| mikeleib | it's 1:30am where I am and I need to get some sleep. | 03:27 |
| thebootroo | wut ? | 03:27 |
| thebootroo | YOU are the guy ? | 03:27 |
| mikeleib | but, you should have a good example in meegotouchcp-connman | 03:27 |
| mikeleib | yes | 03:27 |
| thebootroo | yes i've already looked at it | 03:27 |
| thebootroo | but | 03:27 |
| thebootroo | it's in MTF not plain Qt so i can't really discern if the weird function that i see is here because of normal libconnman behavior or just because of meego touch framework | 03:28 |
| mikeleib | there's a version that's being de-MTFed | 03:29 |
| thebootroo | where ? | 03:29 |
| mikeleib | and I'm not doing that part. hold on.. | 03:29 |
| thebootroo | you mean the lib or the UX ? | 03:29 |
| mikeleib | the lib | 03:30 |
| thebootroo | cause the lib i try to use is already the splitted one | 03:30 |
| mikeleib | there's another UX for another MeeGo vertical in development | 03:30 |
| mikeleib | aha.. I think the new maintainer must have borked it | 03:30 |
| thebootroo | and i'm trying to build another ux for it | 03:30 |
| thebootroo | and i'm using the de-MTFed lib of course cause all my projects are only pure plain qt | 03:31 |
| mikeleib | the idea of NetworkListModel is to sort of make it easy to make lists out of it | 03:31 |
| mikeleib | so, It should be easy to hook up a listview to it. MTF uses a strict MVC, but using delegates, it should be possible | 03:31 |
| mikeleib | however, segfaulting is not desireable. That's bad | 03:31 |
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| mikeleib | I think the guy who's doing the rework has gone home. | 03:32 |
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| thebootroo | so from you why can't i just declarate and instance my model and affect it to my QListVIew ? | 03:32 |
| mikeleib | well, you should be able to. I've never tried usign it with QWidgets before. The old lib was too tightly associated with MTF | 03:33 |
| thebootroo | and for exmaple if i don't affect it to the listview and i just try to call 'availableTechnologies' it returns nothing but it prints a lot of lines of debug, just lik if it was initializing just now | 03:33 |
| mikeleib | the splitted one should make it easy and possible. | 03:33 |
| niala | mikeleib: you are in dublin ? | 03:34 |
| mikeleib | yes | 03:34 |
| mikeleib | and tired | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | oh | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | lucky one | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | i would really have luved to be there | 03:34 |
| mikeleib | perhaps next tiem? | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | as a N900 owner, and MeeGo follower and Qt developper | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | yes i hope | 03:34 |
| thebootroo | SAn Fransisco | 03:35 |
| niala | :) how was the beer ? | 03:35 |
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| mikeleib | thebootroo: the debug output is also likely my fault. I had to use a ton of tracing and debuging b/c of the way duicontrolpanel hosted the plugins | 03:35 |
| mikeleib | good | 03:35 |
| thebootroo | yes i do that too in my projects | 03:35 |
| thebootroo | but | 03:35 |
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| tripzero | thebootroo, ping | 03:36 |
| mikeleib | tag! you're it tripzero | 03:36 |
| mikeleib | tripzero: is the maintainer of the split lib | 03:36 |
| thebootroo | ok | 03:36 |
| thebootroo | coool | 03:36 |
| mikeleib | if you see borkage file it and assign to him ;) | 03:36 |
| thebootroo | people here are really active | 03:36 |
| thebootroo | tripzero: pong ! | 03:36 |
| mikeleib | tripzero: keep me in the loop. I can possibly fix something borked from here if I get moments | 03:37 |
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| thebootroo | so good night mike | 03:37 |
| niala | gnight mikeleib | 03:37 |
| thebootroo | tripzero: i'm trying to use your lib in a plain qt project | 03:37 |
| tripzero | oh, cool | 03:37 |
| thebootroo | libconnman-qt, forked version from the gitorious | 03:37 |
| thebootroo | but i can't | 03:38 |
| thebootroo | and that is less cool | 03:38 |
| tripzero | can't? use it/ | 03:38 |
| tripzero | ? | 03:38 |
| thebootroo | i don't have any doc | 03:38 |
| thebootroo | and my trials are failing | 03:38 |
| thebootroo | for example, | 03:38 |
| thebootroo | as i saw the networklistmodel is a child of QAbstractListmodel, i put a QListView in a qt window and tried to create a new networklistmodel and myListView->setModel(thenetmodel) and there -----> SEGFAULT | 03:39 |
| tripzero | hmm | 03:40 |
| tripzero | i've never tried it in a plain qt applicatino | 03:40 |
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| thebootroo | and if i don't setmodel and just try to call some getters like 'defaultTechnology' or 'connectedTehcnologies' it return nohting but a few qdebug lines | 03:40 |
| thebootroo | if you want since i am a qt dev and i really really really need this lib workin, i can help you in testing and fixing | 03:41 |
| thebootroo | but only on the plainQt side | 03:42 |
| tripzero | okay | 03:42 |
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| tripzero | can you post your code somewhere? | 03:42 |
| tripzero | i will give it a try and see if I can make it work with plain-qt | 03:43 |
| tripzero | it know it works with qml | 03:43 |
| thebootroo | so first, i had an error for moc in the sources, with an undefined reference to stateToString(), so i had to write it before i could acheive the compilation | 03:43 |
| tripzero | however, right now I've got to run. | 03:43 |
| tripzero | ahh, that's not good | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | yes | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | so i wrote a basical switch/return method | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | QString NetworkItemModel::stateTypeToString() | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | { | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | switch (m_state) | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | { | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_NONE: | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | return tr("None"); | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_IDLE: | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Idle"); | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_FAILURE: | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Failure"); | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_ASSOCIATION: | 03:44 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Associating"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_CONFIGURATION: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Configuration"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_READY: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Ready"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_LOGIN: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Login"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| niala | thebootroo: http://pastebin.com/ | 03:45 |
| tripzero | actually, i don't think I'm even using stateToString()... | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_ONLINE: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Online"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_DISCONNECT: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Disconnect"); | 03:45 |
| tripzero | wonder how it even compiles at all | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | case STATE_LAST: | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | return tr("Last"); | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | break; | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | } | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | } | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | and then it compiled fine | 03:45 |
| thebootroo | after that when i tried to use the lib, it doesnt worked but i saw a few debug lines from the lib and in these line i saw my wifi, my ip, my router so i think the lib is working | 03:45 |
| tripzero | just doesn't work with a ListView | 03:46 |
| tripzero | right | 03:46 |
| tripzero | ? | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | the method is declared in header but not implemented in .cpp | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | yes | 03:46 |
| tripzero | okay, will you be around tomorrow? | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | #include "networklistmodel.h" | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | maybe | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | yes | 03:46 |
| thebootroo | i'm in france | 03:46 |
| tripzero | ahk | 03:47 |
| thebootroo | so at 10:00 AM GMT+2 i would be here | 03:47 |
| thebootroo | maybe before | 03:47 |
| thebootroo | but quite sure at 10 | 03:47 |
| tripzero | i've got to go now, but I'll be back tomorrow. if you find any other issues in the meantime, shoot me a message here and i'll pick it up tomorrow morning | 03:47 |
| thebootroo | ok | 03:48 |
| thebootroo | no problem | 03:48 |
| tripzero | cheers | 03:48 |
| thebootroo | an thank a lot for your interest | 03:48 |
| thebootroo | good night | 03:48 |
| tripzero | good night | 03:48 |
| niala | good night | 03:48 |
| niala | thebootroo: t'es français alors? | 03:49 |
| thebootroo | ben si je suis francais | 03:49 |
| thebootroo | toi aussi lol | 03:49 |
| thebootroo | ? | 03:49 |
| niala | pareil | 03:49 |
| niala | and it's late | 03:49 |
| thebootroo | mais normalement ca se voit pas car je speak pas trop mal english | 03:49 |
| thebootroo | not for me | 03:50 |
| thebootroo | my real workin day is the NIGHT | 03:50 |
| niala | well i note if i need a translator | 03:50 |
| thebootroo | my greatest creations went during other people are quietly sleepin' | 03:50 |
| niala | lol and mine when I sleep :) | 03:51 |
| thebootroo | do you know about my project http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/ ?? (the website is in your/our language ;-) ) | 03:51 |
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| thebootroo | my last program almost finished (at least barely usable) is a Text Processor (in Qt, what else huh ? :D) | 03:53 |
| thebootroo | http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item?id=78 | 03:53 |
| thebootroo | some cute screenies there around too :-) | 03:53 |
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| niala | thebootroo: you reinvent the wheel | 03:56 |
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| thebootroo | no | 03:56 |
| thebootroo | i'm trying to give it a different shape | 03:57 |
| niala | very very nice screenshot | 03:57 |
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| thebootroo | because i think the computing is taking dust and to make it better we have to make it different | 03:57 |
| thebootroo | thanks | 03:58 |
| thebootroo | i have a full desktop environment with a lot of apps working on the same concept | 03:58 |
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| thebootroo | the desktop itself : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=77 | 03:58 |
| niala | all in Qt ? | 03:59 |
| thebootroo | what else ? | 03:59 |
| thebootroo | of course | 03:59 |
| thebootroo | the music player : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=76 | 03:59 |
| pupnik | tres bien | 04:00 |
| thebootroo | and many of the most importants progs are not even posted on my website (mail agent, im client, rss reader, package manager, fileborwser ...) | 04:00 |
| thebootroo | pupnik: je sais qu'on est tous francais ici mais faut parler anglais pour que les autres puissent comprendre si ils veulent | 04:00 |
| thebootroo | ;-) | 04:00 |
| niala | meego should look at your work | 04:01 |
| thebootroo | niala: why ? | 04:01 |
| thebootroo | you know | 04:01 |
| thebootroo | my work was there really BEFORE meego | 04:01 |
| pupnik | anglais est la lingua franca | 04:01 |
| pupnik | nice | 04:01 |
| thebootroo | and meego is already taking a lot of my ideas (full stack and plugin based OS) | 04:02 |
| thebootroo | and even the MTF | 04:02 |
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| thebootroo | an entire app in a GraphicsView ----> my Idea since a discovered the graphics view and its wonders in qt4 | 04:02 |
| niala | taskbar very similar and meego needs more qtapplication | 04:02 |
| thebootroo | the 'taskbar' can look a little like meego netbook one, but in facts | 04:03 |
| thebootroo | its quite different | 04:03 |
| thebootroo | here apps are really merged in the desktop | 04:03 |
| thebootroo | and there is no more desktop | 04:03 |
| thebootroo | there is a menu app, a gadgets board app, a status panel app.... | 04:04 |
| thebootroo | all the apps are in tabs | 04:04 |
| pupnik | your dream n9-01 is quite ambitious :) | 04:04 |
| thebootroo | no more windows, no more menus, no more combo box.... | 04:04 |
| thebootroo | oh you know it too | 04:04 |
| thebootroo | yes i'm a dreamer 4ever | 04:04 |
| pupnik | no more windows? | 04:05 |
| thebootroo | but it would be possible | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: yeah, with a 12" screen, or builtin magnifying glass :-) | 04:05 |
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| thebootroo | no | 04:05 |
| thebootroo | no more windows | 04:05 |
| thebootroo | just tabds | 04:05 |
| thebootroo | tabs | 04:05 |
| pupnik | sigh | 04:05 |
| pupnik | isn't a tab just a window with less options? | 04:06 |
| pupnik | yeah DocScrutinizer | 04:06 |
| thebootroo | rougly but not exactly | 04:06 |
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| thebootroo | if you want a live demo just go on skype and i can share my screen and do a private KeyNote like i already did for some membres of #qt-fr | 04:06 |
| pupnik | i'm too unimportant | 04:07 |
| niala | sometimes it is convenient to have multiple windows on same screen. copy/paste read copy compare etc | 04:07 |
| thebootroo | my skype ID is (i will not beleive it) TheBootroo | 04:07 |
| thebootroo | niala: not if the clipboard system is entierely rethinked | 04:07 |
| thebootroo | the problem with most of 'inovative' project is that they keep a very big part of inheritance of the past which is blockin them to go forward and really really forward | 04:08 |
| niala | thebootroo: ok agree if that not add 2 clic | 04:08 |
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| thebootroo | i'm taking the opposite principle, i'm rethinking the whole system and coding it part by part and keeping in mine the future adds | 04:09 |
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| thebootroo | hum, just noticed i was not connected on skype | 04:09 |
| thebootroo | wait | 04:09 |
| thebootroo | fied | 04:09 |
| thebootroo | *fixed | 04:10 |
| niala | meego have an applet copy/paste did you try this? | 04:10 |
| niala | arf no skype account | 04:10 |
| niala | you are a big community ? | 04:10 |
| thebootroo | i didn't tried the meego netbook becasue i ahve a nvidia graphics, and nope the handset flavour cause my n900 is at nokia's repairing (usb port syndrome) | 04:10 |
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| thebootroo | no i'm barely the only developer | 04:11 |
| niala | !!! you never sleep ? | 04:11 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, "live demo sharing using skype" hmmm since you are using open source, where is the git repository with your open source? | 04:11 |
| thebootroo | and i have about 20 regular folowers, and about 200 potential customers for the final product | 04:11 |
| pupnik | just google his nick | 04:12 |
| thebootroo | lcuk: my sources are not exportable ATM cause of many personal info hardcoded in the sources | 04:12 |
| lcuk | no ta, slow vnc | 04:12 |
| thebootroo | niala: i sleep 10x less than majority of people | 04:12 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, hmm i shall have to remember that excuse | 04:12 |
| thebootroo | not an excuse, reality | 04:13 |
| thebootroo | for exampe | 04:13 |
| lcuk | how can you expect collaboation and sharing and communal improvement if its hidden away | 04:13 |
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| lcuk | theres no way (no matter how awesome you are) that you can create whole OS that suits everyone with it closed | 04:13 |
| thebootroo | i want the whole system use an account manager, so since the manage is not yet created, i've my gmail authentications hardcoded in the mail client | 04:13 |
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| thebootroo | lcuk: the most i'm expect is not devlopping but mainly brainstorming and critisism | 04:14 |
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| niala | lcuk: +1 | 04:14 |
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| lcuk | sure | 04:14 |
| lcuk | i do the same | 04:14 |
| lcuk | github.com/lcuk for that tho :) | 04:15 |
| thebootroo | because i've already a tons of idea not even wrote anywhere and a dont want the development going in a wrong way | 04:15 |
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| lcuk | thebootroo, herding cats | 04:15 |
| thebootroo | so since the rules would not have been grouped in a big docuement, not source availability | 04:16 |
| lcuk | they arent going the wrong way, just because it may not be the same as your way | 04:16 |
| thebootroo | this project is not a trial for me | 04:16 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, if its open it does not mean you have to implmeent what they come up with | 04:16 |
| * niala think he do with many difficulty a simple freebox tv command | 04:17 | |
| lcuk | but it will allow you to see other ideas you wouldnt have imagined :) | 04:17 |
| thebootroo | is the accomplishement of a long relfexion, an a dream too, so i have very precise ideas of how it MUST go so, i need time to have a strong base able to receive open contribtuions | 04:17 |
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| * lcuk had a long conversation tonight with the developer of penpen :) | 04:17 | |
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| * lcuk enjoyed it muchly | 04:17 | |
| thebootroo | lcuk: the Brainstrom section of my website is for this aim | 04:17 |
| lcuk | it was great seeing the 2 alternatives for very similar packages | 04:17 |
| thebootroo | i'm just doing like most open source project : a first private developpement period and then , a first code drop and community implication | 04:18 |
| lcuk | the hacking room here at the meego conf is amazingly productive :) | 04:18 |
| thebootroo | i never doubt about that | 04:18 |
| lcuk | thebootroo, you went beyond that when you created a suite of applications ;) | 04:19 |
| thebootroo | but for my project its a little early, but the first drop is approaching, (maybe beginnng of 2011) | 04:19 |
| lcuk | ooooh awesome | 04:19 |
| thebootroo | yes i did but the code and specs are not ready to be shared | 04:19 |
| * lcuk is on tenterhooks | 04:19 | |
| thebootroo | but i can already post screens and do live demos since we cant see the passwords and fullpaths stored in my Qt code (i know its ugly and BAAAAD) | 04:20 |
| thebootroo | if you have a skype account you can benefit a first view of the system to understand better why its so inovative for me | 04:21 |
| lcuk | not relaly, i just mark you with /ignore soon since this is #meego and specifically a linux foundation OPEN project and the developers and guys here are working towards open innovation | 04:21 |
| thebootroo | wut ? | 04:22 |
| lcuk | #meego - everything here is completely open, didn't you know thats what the channel you are on? | 04:22 |
| thebootroo | it's an open project too, just it's not yet public | 04:22 |
| thebootroo | yes i do | 04:22 |
| thebootroo | but i just followed the discussio | 04:22 |
| lcuk | gitorious.com/meego | 04:23 |
| thebootroo | which is gone from a part of meego lib taht i'm trying to use in the project | 04:23 |
| Termana | thebootroo, you're links are down | 04:23 |
| Termana | your* | 04:23 |
| lcuk | sure, i will help you, i know lots about libmeegotouch and its associated things | 04:23 |
| thebootroo | Termana: which on ? | 04:23 |
| Termana | thebootroo, http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item.php?id=77 and http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/news-item?id=78 | 04:24 |
| lcuk | gimme the git url and I will submit a patch fxing your problem | 04:24 |
| thebootroo | lcuk: i'm trying to use the libconnman-qt in a plainQt project | 04:24 |
| thebootroo | and a simple thing as creating a new networkListModel and setModel with it on a QListView is giving a SEGFAULT | 04:25 |
| lcuk | if you cant let us run your code, then follow the normal bug filing practices and submit a testcase highlighting the problem | 04:25 |
| thebootroo | Termana: i tried the links and they are workin | 04:25 |
| * lcuk sleeps and ignores the noise | 04:25 | |
| thebootroo | lcuk: ok i see u r one of these 'show me the code' fanatics, well so | 04:26 |
| thebootroo | just to prove i'm not against the fact of showin the code when its clean : | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | #include "networklistmodel.h" | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | #include "MainWindow.h" | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | MainWindow::MainWindow(QWidget *parent) : QMainWindow(parent) | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | { | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | setupUi(this); | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | NetworkListModel * theNetworksModel = new NetworkListModel(this); | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | listView->setModel(theNetworksModel); | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | } | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | DEBUG: The program has unexpectedly finished. | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | so what | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | very little code | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | and big bug | 04:27 |
| Termana | thebootroo, strange it keeps timing out for me | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | (bunn) | 04:27 |
| thebootroo | Termana: weird yes | 04:28 |
| Termana | downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it's up | 04:28 |
| thebootroo | yes its up, suer | 04:28 |
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| thebootroo | *sure | 04:28 |
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| niala | thebootroo: use a site like http://pastebin.com/ to paste better than the channel | 04:32 |
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| niala | g night all | 04:33 |
| niala | bonne nuit | 04:33 |
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| thebootroo | bonne nuit a toi | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | la cigale et la fourmi | 04:55 |
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| cuckoo | exit | 04:56 |
| thebootroo | La Cigale, ayant chanté tout l'été | 04:56 |
| thebootroo | Se trouva fort dépourvue quand la bise fut venue | 04:56 |
| thebootroo | bla bla bla | 04:57 |
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| pupnik | it is till a good lesson thebootroo ~ especially in modern times | 04:58 |
| thebootroo | yes it is | 04:58 |
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| bernie | boot hangs waiting for the mmc device to show up on N900. what could that mean? | 06:24 |
| bernie | the sdcard works in maemo | 06:24 |
| bernie | *microsd | 06:24 |
| timoph | back cover on? | 06:25 |
| bernie | timoph: yes (although I see no sensors) | 06:28 |
| bernie | 1.1.80.6.20101112.1 | 06:28 |
| bernie | I just tried the 1.1 kernel with no success | 06:28 |
| timoph | the sensor reads the small magnet behind the stand | 06:30 |
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| timoph | I'll try to install that 1.1.80 image | 06:31 |
| timoph | (after I get it downloaded using this laggy hotel wifi) | 06:32 |
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| bernie | timoph: thanks a lot | 06:42 |
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| bernie | timoph: I can see files in the image when I mount it on the n900 or on my laptop | 06:42 |
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| djszapi | ifconfig n900 -> n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 06:52 |
| djszapi | any idea ? | 06:52 |
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| cuckoohello | ifconfig usb0 ? | 07:00 |
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| timoph | bernie: the build might be broken. dunno yet. currently dd'ing the image | 07:09 |
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| bef0rd | uh.. didn't know there was a live stream | 07:44 |
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| * timoph needs a magnet or a tool to get one from the n900's back cover | 08:04 | |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: knife! | 08:18 |
| timoph | don't have one :( | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | breakfast should have:P | 08:19 |
| timoph | I'm thinking that the hotel's shop should have some souvenier fridge magnets | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | souvenir magnets maybe | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | morn johnx | 08:21 |
| timoph | yep | 08:21 |
| johnx | hallo | 08:21 |
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| timoph | I tried pulling the magnet using the pin in my meego greeter badge but it just bent :) | 08:22 |
| bef0rd | won't that damage the cover detector thing? | 08:23 |
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| timoph | it will | 08:23 |
| bef0rd | boo :P | 08:24 |
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| timoph | bef0rd: if you're at the conference come to 1872 suite at 8.45 and see why I'm doing that | 08:28 |
| timoph | we're showing automated installation setups (not on the official program) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | don't rely on wifi ;) | 08:30 |
| tkeisala | Stskeeps: we did not manage to have TV working on this schedule | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | tkeisala: k | 08:32 |
| tkeisala | TV out I mean | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | tkeisala: we found a workaround involving an expensive tv camera | 08:32 |
| timoph | :) | 08:33 |
| tkeisala | hehe =) | 08:33 |
| * Stskeeps wonders when breakfast opens | 08:33 | |
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| Termana | Good morning conference-awakeners | 08:46 |
| Termana | Remember to send me some breakfast in the mail and I won't have you all assassinated | 08:46 |
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| WIIman | hello | 08:58 |
| WIIman | got moblin instead of meego forgetting about the change over | 08:59 |
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| WIIman | its nice thought | 09:00 |
| WIIman | seems dell suports it | 09:00 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: it was already open | 09:00 |
| chriadam | how's the conference been so far? productive and useful, I hope? | 09:01 |
| timoph | and their knives were too thick :) | 09:01 |
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| timoph | I've liked it so far | 09:01 |
| timoph | good sessions, friendly people, etc. | 09:02 |
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| chriadam | I haven't yet had a chance to watch the live feed; I might get a chance to see some it tonight, with luck. | 09:02 |
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| lolloo | is live feed live now? | 09:25 |
| timoph | sessions haven't started yet | 09:26 |
| lolloo | oh | 09:26 |
| lolloo | sorry but am excited | 09:26 |
| timoph | still 1.5h to go | 09:26 |
| timoph | :) | 09:26 |
| lolloo | awesome | 09:26 |
| lolloo | anyone you know at the conference? | 09:29 |
| lolloo | maybe when we see him we say hi | 09:30 |
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| WIIman | us it worth the upgrade from moblin to meego ? | 09:49 |
| copyleft | Hi, is there a kernel module packaging guideline of MeeGo? | 09:50 |
| araujo | WIIman, moblin is no more ... now it is meego | 09:50 |
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| araujo | (hopefully that answers your question :P) | 09:50 |
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| WIIman | so the move from moblin to meego on my netbook would be good | 09:53 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm North american internet disruption | 09:55 |
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| lolloo | guys | 10:22 |
| lolloo | is Stskeeps going to present in the confernce? | 10:23 |
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| lolloo | I heard he will be talking about the future of N900? | 10:23 |
| lolloo | Stskeeps is amazing dude with N900. | 10:24 |
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| Myrtti | healthy hobbies. I read about Alan Turing and Great Women of World History until three | 10:28 |
| Myrtti | joy and surprise the stream hasn't started yet | 10:28 |
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| lolloo | not yet, after 3P min will start | 10:29 |
| lolloo | awesome, I get to see Stskeeps. | 10:29 |
| lolloo | 3p= 30* | 10:30 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, 0900 | 10:38 |
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| RST38h | Moo, all | 10:41 |
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| TermanaDesire | Morning Myrtti GAN900 and RST38h | 10:51 |
| WIIman | where doese moblin mount /dev/sdb1 ? i need to know for dd when meego is done downloading | 10:51 |
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| WIIman | it just lists as /media/disk | 10:51 |
| WIIman | dont want to hit my hd though | 10:51 |
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| Myrtti | WIIman: would fdisk -l tell more? | 10:52 |
| WIIman | ill try that thanks | 10:52 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, howdy. | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 10:56 |
| Termana | Streams on | 10:56 |
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| Termana | They keep cutting it for some reason | 10:57 |
| WIIman | no fdisk installed no cfdisk cant find these app in installer no gparted | 10:58 |
| Myrtti | surely it wasn't this quiet yesterday?! | 10:58 |
| Myrtti | WIIman: "mount"? | 10:58 |
| Termana | Myrtti, it was at the start | 10:58 |
| Termana | Myrtti, it was only after a couple of sessions everyone started flooding in | 10:58 |
| Termana | (I think) | 10:58 |
| niala | morning :) | 10:58 |
| WIIman | it mounts as /media/disk as it looks | 10:58 |
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| GAN900 | Everybody's trying to get a netbook | 10:59 |
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| WIIman | lol i have one its nice | 10:59 |
| GAN900 | Joke's on them, though, since you only get one if you're leaving today. | 10:59 |
| WIIman | got mine through att | 11:01 |
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| Termana | GAN900, which is a rather strange requirement seeing as most probably wanted to stay for tomorrow | 11:01 |
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| Termana | GAN900, what session are you in? | 11:01 |
| lcukn900 | gan900 no, you only get one if you are in qoles terms a true bastard lol | 11:02 |
| GAN900 | Termana, marketing | 11:02 |
| odinm | ronan talk on ecosystem | 11:02 |
| GAN900 | lcukn900, and only qole is capable of that. | 11:03 |
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| Saviq | geez guys can you stop complainin'? you're freakin' getting it for free... | 11:05 |
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| Saviq | and it's not a requirement, just a way to avoid people that have to leave tonight not getting one | 11:06 |
| Termana | Saviq, I can damn well complain about anything I want, I'm not getting anything for free :P | 11:06 |
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| Termana | Stream choppy and not working for anyone else? | 11:08 |
| lolloo | it's fine here | 11:09 |
| lolloo | smooth | 11:09 |
| aparna | audio is smooth. video is a bit choppy | 11:09 |
| GAN900 | Saviq, not complaining. . . . | 11:09 |
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| Saviq | oh nice... 1.2MBps downstream... seems the network's still quite empty | 11:10 |
| Myrtti | Termana: works brill | 11:10 |
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| WIIman | damn moblin keeps dropping connection | 11:11 |
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| WIIman | at least it reconnects on its own | 11:11 |
| Saviq | WIIman: happening to me on MeeGo, too... what hw? | 11:12 |
| Saviq | EeePC here | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | Ronan needs to breathe | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | he sounds like he doesn't breath | 11:12 |
| aparna | :-) | 11:12 |
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| lolloo | I wish I can see slides again | 11:16 |
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| aparna | yeah having slides wud be good especially for the number comparison he was giving between android community/meego community | 11:18 |
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| Myrtti | could someone tell him to repeat the questions? | 11:19 |
| Termana | Myrtti, you have tha powah | 11:20 |
| * Chani sulks | 11:20 | |
| Chani | i lost my deodorant. darnit. and it was a really good one | 11:20 |
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| Termana | YES - the first person to say they need a microphone :P | 11:20 |
| * WIIman listens to pandpra wile he downloads meego | 11:21 | |
| Chani | do they have good aluminum-free deodorant in ireland? 'cause i couldn't find any in berlin, i only had that one bottle i brought with me | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | Termana: how? | 11:21 |
| Termana | Myrtti, he repeated someone's question. Now he's not doing it | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | yeah... | 11:22 |
| Chani | hmm. i suppose the fastest way to find out is to go to the shops :) | 11:22 |
| * Chani heads out | 11:22 | |
| RST38h | So, anything new and exciting announced at the conference? | 11:22 |
| Saviq | Chani: could you've left it at the room? | 11:23 |
| Termana | RST38h, that another conference will be in May? | 11:23 |
| lolloo | awesome | 11:23 |
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| aparna | yes another conference in San Francisco 23-25th may | 11:25 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, no. | 11:28 |
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| * Myrtti despairs | 11:30 | |
| Myrtti | for the LOVE OF GOD could someone tell him to repeat the questions | 11:30 |
| araujo | Question: Evidently Qt is the main development platform, what about applications written in other languages/technologies?, what are the challenges or solutions in this regard, for example, we would have some kind of "Meego Porting" project to make available these applications? | 11:30 |
| araujo | can somebody proxy it? :) | 11:30 |
| Termana | Myrtti, araujo: No one in here is in that session | 11:31 |
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| araujo | :( | 11:31 |
| lcukn900 | araujo \o hey that is related to the talk i submitted. | 11:31 |
| araujo | lcukn900!!! | 11:31 |
| araujo | lcukn900, where are you now? | 11:31 |
| araujo | :P | 11:31 |
| lcukn900 | watching rohan | 11:31 |
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| araujo | lcukn900, ask him now | 11:32 |
| araujo | hehe | 11:32 |
| lcukn900 | araujo see the gnome people, they have a 50k bounty for porting hildon | 11:33 |
| lcukn900 | i already know the answer | 11:33 |
| javispedro | yep | 11:33 |
| javispedro | i wish i knew if anyone is taking it | 11:33 |
| Termana | lcukn900, can you asks him to not use the knowledge he gained by getting a degree in question avoiding and dodging | 11:33 |
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| Termana | ask* | 11:33 |
| Termana | JUST SAYING | 11:33 |
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| araujo | lcukn900, well, I was wondering if we in *meego* would have something specially for that | 11:34 |
| lcukn900 | ? termana | 11:34 |
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| Termana | lcukn900, nothing it's ok | 11:34 |
| alterego | 50k for porting hildon to MeeGo? | 11:34 |
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| javispedro | to make hildon>k apps work under meego [handset iirc] | 11:35 |
| alterego | Is anyone actually working on it? | 11:35 |
| alterego | I'll look into it ... | 11:35 |
| alterego | (I need cash) :D | 11:35 |
| alterego | Basically, integration into the compositor no doubt. | 11:35 |
| javispedro | well... | 11:36 |
| javispedro | compositor people expect the app to everyting by its own | 11:36 |
| alterego | Ah, good point. | 11:36 |
| * alterego ponders ... | 11:36 | |
| alterego | I think I will look into it. I've almost finished my current app. | 11:36 |
| javispedro | i don't know if anyones taking it either | 11:37 |
| Saviq | so, anyone know what the issue is with running the handset SDK on suse? | 11:37 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, last night they were saying nobody has stepped up so far. | 11:37 |
| javispedro | i think theyre looking for companies, plans, schedules... | 11:37 |
| javispedro | stuff that sounds chinese to me atm :) | 11:37 |
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| alterego | Who, the gnome foundation? | 11:37 |
| javispedro | yep | 11:37 |
| javispedro | the original ad is on their blog, google for it | 11:37 |
| alterego | Interesting | 11:37 |
| bef0rd | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.foundation.announce/440 | 11:38 |
| alterego | Cool | 11:38 |
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| alterego | You have to bid to do it? | 11:40 |
| alterego | So I can't just do it and get cash? :D | 11:41 |
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| javispedro | you'd wish | 11:42 |
| alterego | pfft | 11:42 |
| javispedro | tbh | 11:42 |
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| javispedro | imho it is way more easier than 50k | 11:43 |
| javispedro | i hope no one listens :) | 11:43 |
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| alterego | Heh | 11:43 |
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| javispedro | possibly technically harder would be getting this to work with all kind of apps and not only gtk | 11:44 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking, cairo opengl backend used to render in an opengl context | 11:44 |
| javispedro | or use clutter-gtk | 11:44 |
| alterego | extra widgets for rendering the application title and close,switcher buttons | 11:44 |
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| alterego | And theming. | 11:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, could do, I just think cairo would lose a layer of complexitty with not having to deal with clutter. | 11:45 |
| javispedro | are you around the conf? | 11:45 |
| alterego | It also leaves the possibility of people actually using clutter in their apps, unlike maemo | 11:45 |
| alterego | No, | 11:45 |
| alterego | In England, couldn't make it :( | 11:46 |
| Termana | looks like I just got back in time :p | 11:46 |
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| alterego | javispedro: are there hackers working on it at the conference? | 11:51 |
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| Saviq | "working at the conference" ;) funny ;) | 11:51 |
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| alterego | :) | 11:52 |
| oliwer | i thought the goal of meego was to ditch gtk and only focus on Qt ? | 11:52 |
| crashanddie | that's hardly a goal | 11:53 |
| alterego | oliwer: no, it's not a goal :P: | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | it's one of the steps | 11:53 |
| Saviq | oliwer: and it's not meego that pays the money | 11:53 |
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| alterego | It's absolutely not a step! | 11:53 |
| niala | what time is it in dublin ? | 11:53 |
| Saviq | 0954hrs | 11:54 |
| alterego | Qt was a choice, there's no exclusivity on toolkit, it's just the native platform. | 11:54 |
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| niala | arff I mlate | 11:54 |
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| oliwer | i'm interested in meego IVI, and using two big toolkits on what is supposed to be an embedded device (with low resources) is annoying | 11:55 |
| thiago_home | niala: is that irish? | 11:55 |
| thiago_home | oliwer: which ones? X and Qt? | 11:55 |
| alterego | oliwer: don't then :P | 11:55 |
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| alterego | Having gtk/hildon on device just adds compatibility. | 11:55 |
| oliwer | navit is in gtk and is mandatory | 11:55 |
| Saviq | just port navit to Qt/QML, you'll get rid of gtk if that's a problem | 11:56 |
| thiago_home | ivi devices are quite powerful | 11:56 |
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| thiago_home | they are not battery-powered... | 11:56 |
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| javispedro | alterego: I was at least | 11:57 |
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| javispedro | my gsoc was about input methods | 11:57 |
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| javispedro | and that works... of course I can only test under real compositor ;) | 11:57 |
| javispedro | real wm, not mcompositor I mean | 11:57 |
| javispedro | ;) | 11:58 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 11:58 |
| javispedro | s/real/desktop (lets be p.c.) | 11:58 |
| javispedro | heya rst | 11:58 |
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| lardman | Ah, Mr Neary | 12:00 |
| lardman | morning all | 12:00 |
| lolloo | morning | 12:01 |
| niala | morning lar | 12:01 |
| niala | dman | 12:01 |
| * GAN900 rolls eyes at Dave's Obama slide. | 12:01 | |
| lardman | Have I missed anything exciting this morning? | 12:01 |
| tybollt | GAN900: url, bitte | 12:01 |
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| lolloo | hope not | 12:01 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, no such thing. | 12:01 |
| niala | he has a slide? pease Spielberg if he has a slide show us :) | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, stream doesn't show the slides | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | did he show Obama when talking about the cookie licker? | 12:02 |
| niala | yesterday cameraman move the camera on slide | 12:02 |
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| Myrtti | niala: only when there was coding on the screen | 12:03 |
| niala | hello DawnFoster nice first day? a lot of people ? | 12:03 |
| niala | Myrtti: ok | 12:03 |
| niala | ty | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Heh, unusual to see DawnFoster online at this time :) | 12:03 |
| DawnFoster | niala: we had about 1000 people on the first day - awesome response :) | 12:03 |
| alterego | GAN900: spoke to Quim? ;) | 12:04 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, leadership. | 12:04 |
| GAN900 | alterego, he's been unavailable. | 12:04 |
| niala | woaouw nice to hear | 12:04 |
| alterego | What's on at the conf today? | 12:04 |
| DawnFoster | RST38h: I get to be on European time this week - it's a whole different set of people! | 12:04 |
| lardman | GAN900: he's presenting atm isn't he? | 12:04 |
| lardman | in another session | 12:04 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, you know how to manhandle a camera, go move it | 12:04 |
| GAN900 | alterego, clearly you should ask DawnFoster though. ;) | 12:04 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, it's still intimidating. | 12:05 |
| RST38h | DawnFoster: exactly =) | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, stop being a wuss :P | 12:05 |
| alterego | GAN900: I would, but I know what she'd say :P | 12:05 |
| DawnFoster | alterego: I missed the question :) | 12:05 |
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| niala | why presenter have not meegoshirt ? :( | 12:05 |
| alterego | DawnFoster: is it okay for GAN900 to pick up my doggy bag as I couldn't make it to the conf ... | 12:06 |
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| sx0n | some community anti-patterns might apply meego architecture board | 12:06 |
| alterego | DawnFoster: I wanna t-shirt :( | 12:06 |
| DawnFoster | alterego: unfortunately, no. | 12:06 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill | 12:06 |
| alterego | GAN900: told you :P | 12:06 |
| CosmoHill | salut niala et DawnFoster | 12:06 |
| * javispedro thinks dave is doing great | 12:06 | |
| DawnFoster | alterego: ha! We're actually short on boxes, since we have more people than expected. | 12:07 |
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| * CosmoHill tunes into the live stream | 12:07 | |
| alterego | DawnFoster: urgh :( | 12:07 |
| lardman | javispedro: would be nice to see the slides though to keep track of the poinrts | 12:07 |
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| DawnFoster | Dave is doing great | 12:07 |
| * alterego sips on some steaming hot coffee | 12:07 | |
| DawnFoster | *back to listening to Dave* :) | 12:07 |
| niala | DawnFoster: there is more individual user/devel or more company in public ? | 12:07 |
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| Mece | hmpf stream doesn't work on my phone :/ | 12:08 |
| CosmoHill | oh hey, it's 4:3 | 12:08 |
| niala | CosmoHill: you want 3d 16/9 ? :) | 12:09 |
| javispedro | lardman: save for the pointy ones (eg the cur one) the rest are mostly eyecatching pictures ;) | 12:09 |
| lardman | ah ok | 12:09 |
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| Jucato | I wanted to see the pic on the "headless chicken" slide :) | 12:10 |
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| crashanddie | DawnFoster, will the talks be posted somewhere for viewing/download later on? | 12:10 |
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| pohly | To those at the conference: my greetings to Dave (I'm not there) and please tell him that despite the challenge that he quoted me on, I think SyncEvolution did well as an open and welcoming project. Or so I hope ;-) | 12:11 |
| niala | crashanddie: for sure | 12:11 |
| DawnFoster | crashanddie: all the talks are being recorded & will be posted | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | DawnFoster, excellent. Thanks. | 12:12 |
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| alterego | schweet | 12:12 |
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| sx0n | :) | 12:13 |
| niala | :p do not top post!! | 12:14 |
| Jucato | hehehe "not to top post" :) | 12:14 |
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| CosmoHill | what film is he talking about? | 12:14 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, I swap computers just has he's about to end | 12:17 |
| niala | CosmoHill: don't know he must have slide | 12:17 |
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| CosmoHill | oh wow a star trek reference | 12:17 |
| niala | I wait t-pool so | 12:17 |
| alterego | At a geek conference? That's so cliche :P | 12:17 |
| WIIman | got dd going :) | 12:17 |
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| niala | clap clap clap | 12:17 |
| Jucato | elevator music? | 12:18 |
| lardman | nice one dneary :) | 12:18 |
| WIIman | soon meego will be ready | 12:18 |
| Jucato | oh none yet :) | 12:18 |
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| WIIman | god it was abig download | 12:18 |
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| CosmoHill | is that slaine asking the question? | 12:18 |
| niala | Jucato: I need elevator music i m laking | 12:18 |
| WIIman | it done time for reboot | 12:19 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, broken record is pretty much what our devs to with newbies | 12:19 |
| Myrtti | "our devs"? | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | more like IRC regulars | 12:20 |
| CosmoHill | people with great experience with LFS and / or reading | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | oh, a Finn | 12:21 |
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| CosmoHill | asking the question? | 12:21 |
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| Myrtti | CosmoHill: I suspect it might be inherited from the older projects | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | what was the book, by whom? | 12:21 |
| CosmoHill | the LFS book | 12:22 |
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| CosmoHill | the problem we have is that people skip parts and then screw up and get lost | 12:22 |
| Myrtti | ah, karl fogel | 12:22 |
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| Jucato | Producing Open Source Software | 12:22 |
| Jucato | POSS | 12:22 |
| Jucato | ok that doesn't sound nice :) | 12:22 |
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| araujo | that one is good | 12:22 |
| Jucato | niala: there should be elevator music by now :( | 12:23 |
| niala | Jucato: ahhhhh :) | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | ah! | 12:23 |
| Jucato | oh there! | 12:23 |
| niala | ohhh | 12:23 |
| Termana | Jucato, you're just watching the stream for the elevator music aren't you? | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | oh it's gone again | 12:23 |
| Myrtti | aw, no Finnish translation | 12:23 |
| Jucato | Termana: yes!! | 12:23 |
| CosmoHill | my stream just stopped | 12:23 |
| Jucato | mine too | 12:24 |
| lardman | not something I'd usually want, but it's a shame the video feed isn't lower res, so I can also see the code I'm supposed to be writing | 12:24 |
| Jucato | the stream took a coffee stream break :) | 12:24 |
| Termana | Yeah, its a 20 minute coffee break | 12:24 |
| araujo | they don't want us to enjoy elevator music | 12:24 |
| niala | nice music to do some housework | 12:24 |
| Termana | "The MeeGo Conference Soundtrack" | 12:24 |
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| niala | maybe we can take this elevator music as official jingle for meego :) | 12:24 |
| lardman | startup tune :) | 12:25 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:25 |
| Jucato | they should release a MeeGo OST CD :) | 12:25 |
| Jucato | one full CD of looped MeeGo elevator music! | 12:25 |
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| Jucato | with bonus content, the video shown during Doug Fisher's keynote! | 12:25 |
| CosmoHill | a limited edition grove-locked 7" vinyl | 12:26 |
| Termana | Jucato, they could make a CD called ELEVATOR MUSIC and it could have one of those stickers on the front saying "As heard on the MeeGo Conference Live Stream!" | 12:26 |
| * araujo *weirdly* for some reason feels like in the 70's with that music | 12:26 | |
| Termana | All the tweens would buy it! | 12:26 |
| araujo | and the weird part is that I am not that old | 12:26 |
| lolloo | the feed stopped at my end! | 12:26 |
| lardman | might be the pastel colours of the stage bg ;) | 12:26 |
| niala | and the poster behind presenter for a child room | 12:27 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:27 |
| lardman | hmm, next talk looks interesting | 12:27 |
| Jucato | niala: oooh good idea :) | 12:27 |
| Jucato | yeah I'm actually waiting for the next talk :) | 12:27 |
| Jucato | before I realized it was Dave Neary who was talking. then I listened in :) | 12:27 |
| lolloo | aren't we all | 12:27 |
| lardman | 4.30pm looks good too | 12:27 |
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| niala | yes lardman i hope somme news app for n900 or some new project | 12:27 |
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| Termana | Also if you want to make any donations to the Linux Foundation for this event, just write a cheque out to C. ASH and send it my way! | 12:28 |
| Termana | :P | 12:28 |
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| Jucato | (Ash Ketchum ...) | 12:28 |
| lardman | looks like there's no live streaming tomorrow, according to the programme | 12:28 |
| lardman | which is a shame | 12:28 |
| alterego | What version of glib is installed under MeeGo currently? | 12:29 |
| lardman | lighting talks would be good to see, etc | 12:29 |
| alterego | Is there a package list I can get? | 12:29 |
| Jucato | they're too fast too make sense of remotely :) | 12:29 |
| lardman | Jucato: well if we could see the slides too ;) | 12:29 |
| Termana | For anyone interested I've got someone to do an audio recording of the MeeGo ARM BoF that will happen tomorrow | 12:29 |
| Jucato | lardman: you mean like how we see the slides right now? :) | 12:29 |
| lardman | well I was hoping the AV guys might read this and realise... | 12:30 |
| niala | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 12:30 |
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| bef0rd | alterego, http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.packages | 12:30 |
| lardman | also, live roving cam in the unconference sessions would be good :) | 12:30 |
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| Termana | Streams back | 12:30 |
| Termana | or not | 12:30 |
| niala | yes | 12:30 |
| Termana | It's back | 12:31 |
| niala | music actually | 12:31 |
| alterego | bef0rd: thanks :) | 12:31 |
| CosmoHill | yes it's back :) | 12:31 |
| niala | and 3 guy | 12:31 |
| niala | s | 12:31 |
| CosmoHill | I was wondering if it was broken and I was missing something | 12:31 |
| Termana | Carsten is having trouble setting up the projector by the hand gestures | 12:31 |
| Termana | :P | 12:31 |
| bef0rd | alterego, that's for 1.1, you can also get the .packages for other images though | 12:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Termana: we had that yesterday | 12:32 |
| CosmoHill | the computer connected to the display couldn't play our video or run 2007 powerpoint files | 12:32 |
| niala | Termana: he is on meego for presentation? :p | 12:32 |
| lardman | CosmoHill: I made the mistake of turning up to the first Maemo conf with ppt files, doh | 12:32 |
| Termana | niala, yes, he's one of the four presenters for the next one on the live stream | 12:32 |
| Termana | him, Sage, Harri and someone else I think | 12:33 |
| CosmoHill | we can't use my laptop either because it's DVI and I don't have the adapter on me | 12:33 |
| Jucato | just 3 of them | 12:33 |
| Jucato | him/stskeeps, marko/sage, and harri | 12:33 |
| CosmoHill | lardman: if I turned up to anything I'd have my powerbook on me :) | 12:34 |
| lolloo | which one is Stskeeps? | 12:34 |
| lardman | CosmoHill: I was travelling light having done a whistlestop tour of Berlin beforehand iirc | 12:34 |
| Termana | lolloo, the guy stuffing somethign in his pocket | 12:34 |
| lardman | actually that was probably a different one, I forget | 12:34 |
| Termana | something* | 12:34 |
| niala | oh they look at us | 12:35 |
| lolloo | I didn't get it | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, I'm used to carrying my powerbook about in my backpack on the way to uni | 12:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I can see how fast the sun is moving as it's now lighting up the right on my screen instead of the left | 12:35 |
| CosmoHill | they've all fled | 12:37 |
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| Termana | AV guy is having some fun | 12:37 |
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| Termana | :P | 12:37 |
| lardman | Ooo, we're getting a sneak preview | 12:37 |
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| CosmoHill | that's cool, the camera dude showed us his meego device | 12:38 |
| lolloo | thats my phone | 12:38 |
| niala | CosmoHill: great astrophysic researcher of sunspot :) | 12:38 |
| lardman | Can someone go and ask the cameraman now to make sure he pans across to the slides | 12:38 |
| Termana | Someone has their head in front of the camera | 12:38 |
| lardman | or I guess Carsten will stream video from an N900 rather than slides | 12:38 |
| CosmoHill | and now for an intermission *n900 demo* | 12:38 |
| CosmoHill | can't the camera be raised? | 12:39 |
| Termana | Can you not notice the big arse camera behind yous? | 12:39 |
| Jucato | damn I missed seeing the camera dude's meego device. now all I'm seeing are heads ... | 12:39 |
| Jucato | or a part of a head now :) | 12:39 |
| CosmoHill | it should have two red lights on it for effect | 12:39 |
| lardman | laser beams? | 12:40 |
| Termana | lardman, build in on the N900 and exclusively usable from MeeGo | 12:41 |
| Termana | built* | 12:41 |
| Jucato | and now introducing our next speaker, the Laptop | 12:41 |
| Jucato | :) | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | I was thinking on the camera, so you turn arround and it looks like a demon is staring at you | 12:42 |
| lardman | yep, that and the hidden digital compass | 12:42 |
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| CosmoHill | can someone with a meego device go up to the camera and hold it up? | 12:42 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, Nokia Exec accidently holds up an N9 | 12:43 |
| Termana | :P | 12:43 |
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| CosmoHill | or a non nokia phone :o | 12:43 |
| Jucato | would have been shocking if he/she accidentally held up an iPhone :) | 12:43 |
| Termana | ;p | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | "isn't that an LG Cookie?" | 12:43 |
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| CosmoHill | okay the sun is now totally off my monitor | 12:44 |
| Jucato | is the time on the live streaming page correct? | 12:44 |
| CosmoHill | hold on | 12:44 |
| Termana | Jucato, nope | 12:44 |
| Jucato | because if yes, it's 1 hour before the next talk >.< | 12:44 |
| Termana | It's 10:44 | 12:44 |
| CosmoHill | no | 12:45 |
| CosmoHill | it's 6mins behind | 12:45 |
| Jucato | cool. I'm 8 hours, 1 minute ahead | 12:45 |
| Termana | That time counter has been playing up all the time | 12:45 |
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| CosmoHill | erm | 12:45 |
| nyezku | hello | 12:45 |
| CosmoHill | Tue Nov 16 10:46:00 UTC 2010 | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | there you go :) | 12:46 |
| nyezku | can i ask some question | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | of course | 12:46 |
| Termana | I'm not sure how they are pulling the time on it - obviously whoever did it was drinking at the time | 12:46 |
| Jucato | coffee probably :) | 12:46 |
| niala | Termana: drink what in dublin ? | 12:46 |
| Termana | BEER | 12:47 |
| CosmoHill | Irish tea? | 12:47 |
| Jucato | bailey's | 12:47 |
| nyezku | i installed meego on my netbook | 12:47 |
| Jucato | (Irish Cream or something) | 12:47 |
| Termana | You had to be a little tipsy to make a time counter that can't display the right time | 12:47 |
| Termana | ;p | 12:47 |
| niala | irish cofee ouch! | 12:47 |
| nyezku | how to activate wifi :D | 12:47 |
| mikeleib | have wifi with opensource drivers | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | fyi don't press pause, I just did and I had to refresh the page to get the stream working again | 12:48 |
| nyezku | i boot meego via usb drive | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | is your wifi card supported by meego? | 12:48 |
| Jucato | aw it's running late >.< | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | there should be a switch somewhere under settings to turn the wifi on or off | 12:49 |
| nyezku | im using lenovo s10-2 | 12:49 |
| niala | nyezku: maybe your wifi card is not supported | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | or you could try pressing the wifi button on your laptop | 12:49 |
| nyezku | i have switched it on | 12:49 |
| CosmoHill | try off and on again | 12:49 |
| mikeleib | lenovo s10 has a broadcom wifi chipset that isn't supported | 12:49 |
| nyezku | hmm should i add more driver ? | 12:49 |
| mikeleib | no open source driver | 12:49 |
| nyezku | i did it but still can't find network | 12:49 |
| lolloo | which one is Stskeeps? | 12:50 |
| mikeleib | there are guides out there to get a binary driver for the broadcom, but there's no working open source driver | 12:50 |
| stephg | on the right | 12:50 |
| nyezku | is there any problem with the usb flash drive ? | 12:50 |
| stephg | harri on the left | 12:50 |
| stephg | sage in the middle | 12:50 |
| nyezku | i boot meego via usb | 12:50 |
| CosmoHill | the three ghosts of the Nokia N900 | 12:50 |
| * mikeleib heads to another talk | 12:51 | |
| nyezku | hmmm | 12:51 |
| CosmoHill | nyezku: fyi there is a presentation going on now so we might be quiet | 12:51 |
| nyezku | oh ok | 12:52 |
| Myrtti | tell me when Harri's done with his part | 12:52 |
| nyezku | i question pls help: how to gain root access of my hardisk ? | 12:52 |
| CosmoHill | what do you mean root access? | 12:52 |
| nyezku | it asked password to authenticed | 12:52 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: lol why? :) | 12:52 |
| CosmoHill | try "meego" | 12:52 |
| nyezku | oh | 12:53 |
| Myrtti | Jucato: my brain refuses to listen, I know it's important stuff but I just can't | 12:53 |
| access | nnnnghghgh, could the camera guys please show the slides | 12:53 |
| CosmoHill | there are two users, "root" and "meego". Both use "meego" as a password | 12:53 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: hahah! I thought so. I alt+tabbed already :) | 12:53 |
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| CosmoHill | I have him on another computer | 12:54 |
| CosmoHill | unless the camera moves I don't need to look up | 12:54 |
| alterego | Why doesn't pkg-config work in madde? | 12:54 |
| nyezku | cool thanks i'll try | 12:54 |
| nyezku | im newbie in linux | 12:55 |
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| odinm | inject some life info it man .... feels like N900 is dying in here ... | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | we had a presentation a bit like this yesterday | 12:57 |
| Jucato | the Python one? | 12:57 |
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| CosmoHill | oh no, at university | 12:57 |
| odinm | but isn't the N900 the coolest handset from nokia in many years.... | 12:57 |
| Jucato | ah | 12:57 |
| Jucato | I think he didn't have his coffee break :) | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | 3310 fyi | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | *ftw | 12:58 |
| Jucato | Nokia 3310? | 12:58 |
| CosmoHill | when I got a phone I thought it was rubbish so I got a 3310 because everyone had one | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | tom broke the screen when he sat on it | 12:59 |
| Jucato | O.o | 12:59 |
| CosmoHill | he's a big guy | 12:59 |
| odinm | the N900 developments must take a lot out of its' engineers | 12:59 |
| odinm | i think they all deserve free red bull | 13:00 |
| CosmoHill | I just get the weird feeling that the camera is very slowly zooming in | 13:00 |
| Jucato | I have the weird feeling that my head is slowly going down -_- | 13:00 |
| Jucato | Myrtti: he's done | 13:00 |
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| CosmoHill | Jucato: that's fine for me cos that's where my laptop is | 13:00 |
| lardman | ouch, am getting some moire effects with that shirt :) | 13:01 |
| CosmoHill | same here | 13:01 |
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| Jucato | OMG shoot his fashion adviser or whatever! :) | 13:01 |
| lardman | just problematic on video | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | when we went on a school trip we were told by the studio not to wear stripped clothing | 13:02 |
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| lardman | AV guy, pan for your life! | 13:02 |
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| Myrtti | Jucato: brill, thanks | 13:02 |
| lolloo | what is it? | 13:02 |
| lolloo | slides pleeeaaaaase | 13:02 |
| lardman | yay! | 13:02 |
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| CosmoHill | oh he's died | 13:02 |
| Jucato | lol show off! | 13:02 |
| lardman | what did he say was in the repo? | 13:02 |
| CosmoHill | he's low on battery | 13:03 |
| niala | yes | 13:03 |
| CosmoHill | that explains why the AV guy zoomed in eariler | 13:03 |
| lardman | ah busy indicator still doesn't line up :) | 13:04 |
| nyezku | is there any method to update facebook via irc ? | 13:04 |
| nyezku | is there any method to update facebook via irc ? | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | lardman: !! ENTER < lol | 13:04 |
| Termana | nyezku, don't repeat yourself please | 13:04 |
| Termana | nyezku, don't repeat yourself please | 13:04 |
| Myrtti | great job in showing phone numbers ;-) | 13:04 |
| CosmoHill | quickly get that number | 13:04 |
| nyezku | sorry | 13:04 |
| lardman | Now we all know Harri's personal phone # too :) | 13:04 |
| Myrtti | nyezku: with bitlbee | 13:05 |
| lolloo | !!answer | 13:05 |
| nyezku | wew | 13:05 |
| nyezku | Myrtti : what's that | 13:05 |
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| lardman | Why is app startup so slow? | 13:05 |
| Jucato | WTF! | 13:05 |
| Jucato | shit I forgot how low the live streaming sound was | 13:05 |
| Jucato | I just got blasted by a system notification >.< | 13:06 |
| Myrtti | nyezku: IRC to Instant Messaging gateway, technically an IRC server that connects to multiple Instant Messaging gateways | 13:06 |
| access | lardman: lots of debug code? | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | wait, you can't charge the n900 via meego can you? | 13:06 |
| nyezku | has anyone try jolicloud | 13:06 |
| lardman | access: and perhaps no helper app to pre-load shared libs? | 13:06 |
| Mece | CosmoHill, yea you can | 13:06 |
| Myrtti | well, looks like the netbook would be about £450 through a corporate discount programme | 13:06 |
| CosmoHill | ooo, since when? | 13:06 |
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| Termana | CosmoHill, you can - but the battery indicator doesn't show how much battery you have left | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 13:07 |
| Tili | what is the link for live stream? | 13:07 |
| CosmoHill | lol AV pointed at the wrong guy | 13:07 |
| access | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 13:07 |
| Myrtti | Tili: it's also in the topic :-) | 13:07 |
| lolloo | is that stskeeps? | 13:07 |
| Tili | thanks | 13:08 |
| lardman | volume up AV guys | 13:08 |
| Tili | i don't see whole url on my client | 13:08 |
| CosmoHill | eep my amp is at -34dB | 13:08 |
| CosmoHill | if my AV updates now I won't be able to hear anything afterwards | 13:08 |
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| access | bit.ly/cJh0nw | 13:08 |
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| CosmoHill | holy poop that is Stskeeps | 13:10 |
| lardman | cool, that's good news | 13:10 |
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| lardman | AV stuff developed on N900 Meego | 13:10 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm just waiting for him to say "as you can clearly see from this slide..." | 13:11 |
| Jucato | he did say something like that earlier | 13:11 |
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| lardman | please someone in the audience kick the AV guy and ask him to up the volume | 13:12 |
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| Jucato | it's over? O.o | 13:14 |
| lolloo | float32 | 13:14 |
| Jucato | rootbeer float | 13:14 |
| lolloo | int is old time | 13:15 |
| nyezku | hey guys | 13:15 |
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| nyezku | has anyone try jolicloud ? | 13:15 |
| alsihad | how about the neo freerunner? i have one of those lying around | 13:15 |
| stephg | woo namecheck :) | 13:15 |
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| Jucato | whoopsie | 13:15 |
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| WIIman | got megoo installed and no network drops yey | 13:17 |
| CosmoHill | what's the IRC names of the first two guys? | 13:18 |
| lardman | CosmoHill: there is at least one advantage of running Windows 7: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/vol.png | 13:18 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 13:19 |
| CosmoHill | wait I am running windows 7 :) | 13:19 |
| lardman | lol x2 | 13:19 |
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| lardman | right click volume icon in systray | 13:19 |
| lardman | Could someone ask about the app startup slowness and what the cause is? | 13:19 |
| CosmoHill | wow, it doesn't even fill a quarter of volume bar | 13:20 |
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| CosmoHill | lcukn900: <lardman> Could someone ask about the app startup slowness and what the cause is? | 13:20 |
| CosmoHill | lol, handwarmer. that;'s like my 6220c when charging | 13:21 |
| lardman | ah ok, so the prestarting is going to be part of that then | 13:22 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder, would meego work on the $100 laptop | 13:23 |
| Jucato | heheh lardman did you hear your name? :) | 13:23 |
| lardman | I did :) | 13:24 |
| lardman | thanks lcukn900 | 13:24 |
| CosmoHill | thanks lcukn900, now ask the AV guys to turn the volume up | 13:24 |
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| lardman | :) | 13:24 |
| Jucato | oh that was lcuk? hehe | 13:24 |
| niala | CosmoHill: ah my sound is good | 13:24 |
| CosmoHill | it's good, but I have it damn loud | 13:24 |
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| frals | have to use the stream in my virtual ie, it shows 1sec of video and no sound in ff4 on my ubuntu :< | 13:25 |
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| Termana | Anyone want to ask about plans to further do power management beyond kernel power management (eg. screen lock etc.) | 13:26 |
| Termana | You know what, I am going to kick the shit out something :P | 13:26 |
| CosmoHill | lcukn900: quickly, wave at the camera! | 13:27 |
| Termana | This happened yesterday as well :p Was about to ask a question and the session ended | 13:27 |
| bef0rd | lol | 13:27 |
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| CosmoHill | "so what do you think...hey come back here I'm not finished with you yet!" | 13:28 |
| alsihad | that's what you get for not going to the conference ;) (and no ideapad) | 13:28 |
| Termana | alsihad, don't rub it in :p | 13:29 |
| lcukn900 | lol cosmohill | 13:29 |
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| sx0n | one suit spotted on camera | 13:29 |
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| CosmoHill | wait did I just miss lcukn900 waving at the camera | 13:30 |
| * araujo saw lcukn900 is with w00t_ there | 13:30 | |
| CosmoHill | dammit | 13:30 |
| niala | is the guy at table on irc ? | 13:30 |
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| CosmoHill | is that a meego laptop in the bottom left? | 13:30 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: could be | 13:31 |
| lardman | do a CSI and zoom in and take a look :) | 13:31 |
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| niala | hey man shake your body if you are on irc :) | 13:31 |
| bef0rd | looks like netbook ux | 13:31 |
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| CosmoHill | lardman: he's got a dead pixel | 13:31 |
| sx0n | it can't be. *sunglasses* it is not ircing.... !!!YYEEEA | 13:31 |
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| Termana | stream cut? | 13:31 |
| CosmoHill | yeah same here | 13:31 |
| sx0n | cc | 13:32 |
| WIIman | i realy like the zones thing | 13:32 |
| CosmoHill | sx0n: I acidently did that to someone in reallife | 13:32 |
| Myrtti | damnit, I forgot what I was doing | 13:32 |
| sx0n | good time to have cup of coffee. | 13:33 |
| sx0n | CosmoHill, did that someone notice it? :) | 13:33 |
| CosmoHill | hope so | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: procrastinating? | 13:34 |
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| Myrtti | CosmoHill: no, I had a thought, I opened a new tab in my browser and... forgot | 13:34 |
| CosmoHill | i hate it when that happens | 13:35 |
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| niala | starts again | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | you know what, I think that guy in the bottom left is on facebook | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | he's got a touch screen too | 13:36 |
| CosmoHill | is that TSCHAK? | 13:37 |
| niala | ggrrr I must wake up of my sofa for fullscreen | 13:37 |
| CosmoHill | I'm on full screen but now I'm at my desk it's kinda pixelated, from my bed it's nice cos you can't see the pixelations | 13:37 |
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| * CosmoHill sees a friend join, says hi, sees them leave and think very bad words | 13:38 | |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 13:38 |
| CosmoHill | hey timeless_mbp | 13:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | how do i get an n900 to show me a boot menu? | 13:38 |
| lardman | pan to the slides AV guy | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | this n900 isn't booting MeeGo properly | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | alternatively, if someone wants to walk up to the front and help me get it to boot | 13:39 |
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| CosmoHill | on the way to timeless_mbp, cos someone tell the AV guy to pan | 13:39 |
| CosmoHill | could* | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: i'm @Qt desk by front | 13:39 |
| Mece | timeless_mbp, did you install uboot-pr1.3? | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Mece: not my n900 :) | 13:40 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: I've heard the AV guy in the main room knows how to fix that problem | 13:40 |
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| CosmoHill | rofl | 13:40 |
| lardman | and while you're there ask him to do some panning | 13:40 |
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| * lardman summons his imagination to visualise the graphs | 13:41 | |
| GAN900 | Wee, TI marketing talk. | 13:41 |
| GAN900 | They're getting higher. | 13:41 |
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| lardman | GAN900: ask him about IVA | 13:41 |
| CosmoHill | I wonder if the slides are online | 13:41 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: You should've gone to wazd's ;) | 13:41 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, still could. | 13:41 |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, probably not yet, but probably later. | 13:42 |
| lardman | in fact, ask him about SmartReflex | 13:42 |
| CosmoHill | but the stream won't be avaiable later >.< | 13:42 |
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| niala | because they don't want we see his win7 powerpoint | 13:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes CosmoHill | 13:43 | |
| CosmoHill | yes? | 13:43 |
| lardman | GAN900: quick, describe! | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | I'm not at the conference btw | 13:44 |
| GAN900 | Bullet points! | 13:44 |
| CosmoHill | niala: but Office 2010 is so nice :) | 13:44 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, where are you hiding, I missed your talk yesterday. | 13:44 |
| lardman | oh, it's true what they say about it being more exciting to not see everything then | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | @Qt desk by front | 13:45 |
| GAN900 | Flashing empty battery animation! | 13:45 |
| CosmoHill | <jermary clarkson>POWER!!!!</jermary clarkson> | 13:46 |
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| lardman | my word he even said it himself | 13:46 |
| lardman | SmartReflex | 13:46 |
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| lardman | tell us more, give us docs | 13:46 |
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| CosmoHill | if that guy keeps walking forward we might get to see the slides | 13:47 |
| GAN900 | OMAP arch overview. | 13:47 |
| Tili | some slides would be nice indeed. | 13:47 |
| lardman | these are on the Ti website | 13:48 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.pandaboard.org/node/223/#block | 13:48 |
| GAN900 | pie chart of TI optimizations. | 13:49 |
| alsihad | <homer> hmmm, pie </homer> | 13:50 |
| Myrtti | I thought that was weebl | 13:50 |
| javispedro | "kuler requires adobe flash 10" :( | 13:51 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 13:51 |
| GAN900 | blah blah blah slide | 13:51 |
| CosmoHill | I do wonder why linux websites use flash | 13:51 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: hey, how did you're presentation go ? | 13:52 |
| alsihad | because apple hates flash and linux ppl hate apple | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: are you coming? | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | this n900 is unhappy :) | 13:52 |
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| slaine | This OBS talk seems to be all about rpm's and not obs | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: no, I'm in england | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 13:53 |
| CosmoHill | also I don't have a n900 | 13:54 |
| snowpong | Any device announcements on meegoconf yet? Tablets? Netbooks? Phones? | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | snowpong: AMD made an annocement | 13:54 |
| CosmoHill | i think it's on engage | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it made /. | 13:54 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: it went, I didn't have a anxiety attack and our presentation didn't suck | 13:55 |
| snowpong | CosmoHill: yeah, but that wasn't a consumer device, just that they'll support MeeGo? | 13:55 |
| sivang | re all | 13:55 |
| CosmoHill | duno I missed it | 13:55 |
| slaine | snowpong: yes, that's all | 13:55 |
| sivang | alterego: you here? | 13:56 |
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| slaine | will have interesting side affects for the x86 build (AMD devices don't have ssse3) | 13:56 |
| CosmoHill | I can see there being 3 releases | 13:57 |
| alterego | sivang: indeed | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | atom with SSSE3, x86 without SSSE3 and AMD with there non-intel compatable optimisation | 13:57 |
| niala | yes what about atom sse3 accerelation if meego is only x86 ? | 13:57 |
| sivang | alterego: What room, session? | 13:57 |
| lardman | more omap3 info released? | 13:57 |
| alterego | sivang: oh, not in dublin ;) | 13:57 |
| lardman | or just omap4 | 13:57 |
| lardman | ? | 13:57 |
| sivang | alterego: ah right :/ | 13:57 |
| alterego | Sorry :( | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | I'd like to see benchmarks of 32bit SSSE3, 32bit non-SSSE3 and 64bit non-SSSE3 | 13:58 |
| lardman | no, ask about SmartReflex and see if there are any docs | 13:59 |
| lardman | hmm, everyone seems a bit shy, need some ringers placed in the audience to ask questions to get them warmed up | 14:00 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: we each did our bit but we were told that they couldn't see how the sections joint together neatly | 14:00 |
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| CosmoHill | lardman: you want someone to start asking a question before he's finished asking if anyone wants to ask a question | 14:00 |
| lardman | I know | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | "are there" "yes, several" | 14:01 |
| lardman | oh right | 14:02 |
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| lardman | on the usual Ti doc page I guess? | 14:02 |
| CosmoHill | odd question, are there any moderators about or are they all having lunch? | 14:02 |
| javispedro | lunch? dammit | 14:03 |
| lardman | probably all in Dublin | 14:03 |
| CosmoHill | http://www.plushandblood.com/Comic.php < cool picture | 14:03 |
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| CosmoHill | would someone mind shouting 5 mins before the presentions resume so I can boot my desktop? | 14:09 |
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| niala | ok | 14:09 |
| CosmoHill | merci niala | 14:10 |
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| lardman | talk at 1pm on "Power Consumption" would be interesting to see | 14:12 |
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| CosmoHill | if I go offline, It means I've accidentally fork bombed myself | 14:31 |
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| stephg | ulimits! | 14:32 |
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| CosmoHill | if I have ulimit(30) that will limit my program and it's children to 30 processes, right? | 14:45 |
| CosmoHill | stephg: thank you very much, you just saved my laptop from crashing | 14:46 |
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| lardman | anyone else with a stream yet? | 14:53 |
| lardman | s/else/ | 14:53 |
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| CosmoHill | oh crap, thanks lardman | 14:54 |
| * CosmoHill boots his desktop | 14:54 | |
| CosmoHill | within an hour I've done a large amount of work | 14:55 |
| lardman | this is your 5 minute warning | 14:55 |
| CosmoHill | it's like recursive forking :/ | 14:55 |
| niala | CosmoHill: shutdown - r now | 14:55 |
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| CosmoHill | good timing, my podcast just ended | 14:57 |
| niala | I m afraid my screen is like 'ring' the movie | 14:58 |
| niala | i will be hypnotized | 14:58 |
| odinm | afternoon sessions starting | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | niala: http://xkcd.com/396/ | 14:58 |
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| lardman | anyone got video? | 15:00 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 15:00 |
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| snowpong | has there been any announcement on binary compatibility promises around meego releases? | 15:01 |
| niala | only 12h at dublin right ? | 15:02 |
| niala | no 13 | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | snowpong: for arm we might have to break abi, which we have to do to get proper performance.. | 15:03 |
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| * Chani notes that the stores here do not have aluminum-free deodorant | 15:04 | |
| aparna | is the live streaming working? | 15:04 |
| Myrtti | no | 15:04 |
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| Jaffa | Chani: Does it affect your circuitry? ;-) | 15:05 |
| Jaffa | Chani: I've got some in my room from a few different countries, but it might smell a little manly (well, I hope it does) | 15:06 |
| Myrtti | Body Shop White Musk ♥ | 15:06 |
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| Jaffa | Still freezing in President's Terrace. Deodorant isn't going to be needed... | 15:06 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: how much of a performance boost do you get by passing floats in the correct registers then? | 15:06 |
| snowpong | Stskeeps: break abi once and then "done", or again and again? | 15:07 |
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| lardman | hey Jaffa can you go and ask the AV guy to start the stream going? | 15:07 |
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| Jucato | am I late? | 15:07 |
| Jucato | oh no streaming yet | 15:07 |
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| CosmoHill | yay it's back | 15:08 |
| sx0n | now | 15:08 |
| lardman | ah, there we go | 15:08 |
| lardman | thanks Jaffa if that was you | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | lardman: No, wasn't me. | 15:09 |
| lardman | ok :) | 15:09 |
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| Jaffa | But I'll take the credit ;-) | 15:09 |
| lardman | :D | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | snowpong: hopefully its the last time we have to do it on arch level | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | snowpong: its with a heavy heart but its now or never | 15:09 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: severe GCC fiddling too then? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: no, just --with-float-abi=hard or something | 15:10 |
| lardman | oh ok, so not so bad then | 15:10 |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 15:12 |
| lardman | Is someone going to ask this chap about Ovi App store and paying for the pleasure to distribute through it? | 15:12 |
| lardman | or rather needing to be a company | 15:12 |
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| ColKilkenny | ovi is open for individuals as well | 15:14 |
| lardman | hmm, ok thinga must have changed then, no worries | 15:14 |
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| mikeleib | thebootroo_: did you ever file abug for your crashers? | 15:15 |
| alterego | lardman: you still need to register one off for 50 euro | 15:15 |
| alterego | But that's it. | 15:15 |
| ColKilkenny | yeah, they made the change few months ago (or at least announced it) | 15:15 |
| sx0n | currently no. | 15:15 |
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| lardman | alterego: ah ok, that's not too bad | 15:15 |
| slaine | why does qt-creator look like shit on my meego install | 15:15 |
| sx0n | they have some campaign going. | 15:16 |
| slaine | fonts aren't aliased and look really jaggy | 15:16 |
| sx0n | *ovi | 15:16 |
| Jucato | streaming went down? | 15:16 |
| lardman | nope | 15:16 |
| Jucato | damn :( | 15:16 |
| lardman | alterego: not too bad unless you have free sw that is of course | 15:16 |
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| alterego | lardman: indeed ;) | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I think it's 1EUR now | 15:16 |
| alterego | Jaffa: seriously? | 15:16 |
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| alterego | Wow, that's even better. | 15:17 |
| * alterego registers. | 15:17 | |
| lardman | ah ok so it's improved significantly, good good | 15:17 |
| sx0n | yep. that's amount that we pay about it. i don't know how long that lasts | 15:17 |
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| luisbg-pi | hi everyone :) | 15:17 |
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| luisbg-pi | I try to run the handset runtime for qemu but it crashed while loading (grey screen and when the screen is going to switch, it crashes) | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | my Virtual Memory size is 61GB... | 15:19 |
| lardman | come on AV guy, pan the camera | 15:20 |
| GAN900 | Who's in the security talk? | 15:20 |
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| Jucato | camachile developer? | 15:21 |
| * mikeleib is in the security talk | 15:22 | |
| * Jucato is just watching the stream | 15:22 | |
| * timoph is listening Dawn | 15:22 | |
| Jucato | ah "commercial" >.< | 15:22 |
| luisbg-pi | can I watch the previous talks online, or they haven't been posted yet? usually it takes a few weeks | 15:22 |
| alsihad | re free software; flattr in ovi store? | 15:22 |
| timoph | some of the yesterdays talks were already online | 15:23 |
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| lardman | luisbg-pi: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule | 15:24 |
| GAN900 | Hooray Google | 15:24 |
| timoph | :) | 15:24 |
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| luisbg-pi | lardman, thanks! | 15:25 |
| lardman | np | 15:25 |
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| CosmoHill | is that lcukn900? | 15:26 |
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| Myrtti | the microphone!!!!!!11111 | 15:27 |
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| sx0n | *claps* | 15:28 |
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| lardman | could someone go and ask the AV guy if he can pan across to the slides if there are any | 15:28 |
| luisbg-pi | the live streaming has problems with the deinterlacing | 15:28 |
| lardman | yeah it's a bit jagged | 15:28 |
| Jucato | I miss the elevator music | 15:28 |
| lardman | Jucato: yeah, not so keen on the stuff with words :) | 15:29 |
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| luisbg-pi | Jucato, it's Dave Mathews Band right now | 15:29 |
| luisbg-pi | lardman, btw, I was asking about previous talks, not the live stream. the talks that have been finished already aren't available yet as far as I see | 15:30 |
| lardman | some are, on that page, click on the talk and it may have a vid embedded | 15:30 |
| luisbg-pi | ahhh, looked at the wrong on then :P | 15:30 |
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| lardman | who is this anyway, Counting Crows? | 15:32 |
| luisbg-pi | lardman, Dave Mathews Band | 15:32 |
| lardman | oh ok | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | weird music for such a stream | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | want the elevator music back | 15:32 |
| mikeleib | the streams have music? | 15:33 |
| lardman | educational for me at least ;) | 15:33 |
| lardman | mikeleib: only inbetween sessions | 15:33 |
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| JPohlmann | They had some post-rock stuff there yesterday. Could be a lot worse, really ;) | 15:33 |
| niala | Myrtti: yes i vote for elevator music | 15:33 |
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| * CosmoHill growls at his program | 15:35 | |
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| niala | I don't like very much this music | 15:37 |
| niala | singer is tortured | 15:37 |
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| Jucato | in response, they turned down the audio :) | 15:39 |
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| Mece | what's been interesting today on meegoconf? | 15:40 |
| jnwi | Interesting right now: someone at the next table is actually using a Vertu | 15:40 |
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| Jucato | "no elevator music", "don't wear thinly striped clothes on camera", "still no panning to show slides" would be the highlights so far | 15:41 |
| sx0n | community anti-pattern presentation was interesting | 15:41 |
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| Jucato | yeah too bad I only caught it near the end. Dave Neary was interesting | 15:41 |
| Jucato | I mean his talk :) | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | "volume is too low" "could you please repeat the question, or give the bloke a mic!" | 15:42 |
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| lardman | ah, X-Fade and lbt | 15:44 |
| CosmoHill | who's who? | 15:44 |
| lardman | same way I wrote it | 15:44 |
| CosmoHill | lbt is on the right? | 15:45 |
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| * Myrtti swoos over the accent | 15:45 | |
| CosmoHill | ^.^ | 15:45 |
| sx0n | audience is getting wild... | 15:45 |
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| Mece | who is this guy speaking? | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | x-fade | 15:46 |
| Myrtti | after hearing more or less broken English it's refreshing to hear lbt | 15:46 |
| Mece | oo nice | 15:46 |
| Myrtti | Ronan's was nice | 15:46 |
| CosmoHill | you just love his accent :p | 15:46 |
| Mece | where's he from? | 15:47 |
| CosmoHill | I get him confused with lcuk all the time :/ | 15:47 |
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| Mece | is this lcuk? | 15:47 |
| sx0n | no beer stains on t-shirt.. | 15:47 |
| Mece | LOL | 15:47 |
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| Myrtti | Mece: lbt | 15:48 |
| Mece | Myrtti, ok. | 15:48 |
| hena | babys is spamming | 15:48 |
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| CosmoHill | x-fade is on the left in the shirt, lbt is on the right in the meego t-shirt | 15:49 |
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| npm | what's the talk being given now? (confused about schedule/timezones/etc) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: it does? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | npm: community obs | 15:49 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: didn't for me | 15:49 |
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| GAN900 | sx0n, indeed. | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | hena: paste in private please | 15:49 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, yes. | 15:50 |
| hena | i closed the window already :/ | 15:50 |
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| CosmoHill | just noticed, lbt hasn't bothered to put the mic up his shirt | 15:50 |
| Saviq | oops, there's a 404 on https://build.pub.meego.com/ ? | 15:50 |
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| CosmoHill | I don't think it's up yet | 15:51 |
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| Saviq | 0well, it was supposed to be live right now ; | 15:51 |
| CosmoHill | iirc that domain wasn't even working last week | 15:51 |
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| RevdKathy | Am I here? | 15:55 |
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| stephg | no | 15:55 |
| RevdKathy | Oh, that's good to know. Never used webchat | 15:56 |
| Mece | yay! | 15:56 |
| Mece | RevdKathy, Hi | 15:56 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, it's horific. | 15:56 |
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| RevdKathy | Scary, isn't it. That damned bear gets everywhere now. | 15:56 |
| Saviq | oh cbuild | 15:56 |
| CosmoHill | cbuild.meego.com << working temp URL for the COBS | 15:56 |
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| Saviq | nope | 15:56 |
| Saviq | 404 | 15:57 |
| Saviq | lol :) | 15:57 |
| Mek | https://cbuild.meego.com/ | 15:57 |
| Mek | works perfectly | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | bugger me | 15:57 |
| CosmoHill | it worked 5 mins ago when I tried it | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | RevdKathy, it's horific. | 15:57 |
| Saviq | ah ok | 15:57 |
| Saviq | an s | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | No thanks. | 15:57 |
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| CosmoHill | Mek: it worked 5 mins ago but now I have 404 too | 15:57 |
| * GAN900 complains about the N900 keyboard again. | 15:57 | |
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| Saviq | CosmoHill: https | 15:57 |
| Mek | it still works for me | 15:57 |
| Mek | with https | 15:57 |
| Mek | not with http | 15:57 |
| frals | o/ RevdKathy | 15:58 |
| Saviq | the redirect's probably not there | 15:58 |
| CosmoHill | ah yes, thanks | 15:58 |
| RevdKathy | That looks a little scary for me. I did my day's quota of stuff in terminal. I've run out of valium. | 15:58 |
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| Saviq | lbt_away: when you get of the stage, can you please enable my account on the community obs? | 15:58 |
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| CosmoHill | oo I like that, if nobody tests it it gets bumped to the super testers | 15:58 |
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| npm | QUESTION: What about piggybacking on top of rpmfusion (c.f. "meegolem") | 16:01 |
| CosmoHill | good man lbt_away | 16:01 |
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| npm | ( http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2010-September/017212.html ) | 16:02 |
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| lardman | hmm, my N900 seems to be locked in portrait mode with meego | 16:06 |
| lardman | oh no it's just moved back | 16:06 |
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| Mece | lardman, it sometimes needs a shake :) | 16:10 |
| lardman | ok | 16:10 |
| petteri | just started watching the stream, who are speaking now? | 16:11 |
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| lardman | X-Fade on LHS, LBT on RHS | 16:11 |
| lardman | Mece: how does one reboot - battery pull? | 16:12 |
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| stephg | lardman, power button down for about 15 seconds | 16:12 |
| stephg | lardman, or init 6 from an xterm/ssh session | 16:12 |
| lardman | thanks stephg | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | lbt looks zoned out | 16:12 |
| CosmoHill | oh he's back now | 16:13 |
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| CosmoHill | oo, someone from TI with a mac | 16:14 |
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| sx0n | this is good session too imho | 16:16 |
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| CosmoHill | indeed, a lot more questions too | 16:17 |
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| CosmoHill | the other sessions normally get silence when they ask for questions | 16:18 |
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| Myrtti | whoa, when did it get that late | 16:19 |
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| sx0n | *claps* | 16:21 |
| npm | clapclap | 16:21 |
| * npm goes to feed kid breakfast before school | 16:21 | |
| lassemon | hi, anyone able to help me?: when trying to build rpm package for meego the rpm throws out bad exit status from /var/tmp/... (%build) and the last thing it tries to do is run qmake and it shows qmake Usage list | 16:22 |
| niala | Jucato: meego's music again | 16:22 |
| lardman | yay, they've listened to us :) | 16:22 |
| lardman | how long does the ml take to send you a password reminder normally? | 16:22 |
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| niala | on meego.com ? | 16:23 |
| Myrtti | lardman: afaik it should be fairly instant | 16:23 |
| lardman | yeah, just changing back my diogest settings for all the lists | 16:23 |
| lardman | hmm | 16:23 |
| Jucato | niala: streaming stopped :( | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | I don't understand why it stopped | 16:24 |
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| lardman | coffee break now I think | 16:24 |
| Jucato | 20 minute break | 16:24 |
| Jucato | too long to keep running :) | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | *shrug* | 16:25 |
| Myrtti | I would've kept it | 16:25 |
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| niala | Jucato: financial crisis in world , economy of energy, we should sing | 16:26 |
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| niala | The Ring II | 16:30 |
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| berndhs | maybe Ireland fell in the ocean again | 16:44 |
| javispedro | break time | 16:45 |
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| berndhs | schedule says next talk starts 15 mins ago :) | 16:46 |
| Jucato | :) | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | I hear music | 16:46 |
| berndhs | i saw movement | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | this dude looks like young | 16:47 |
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| CosmoHill | *kinda | 16:47 |
| Jucato | yeah young | 16:47 |
| Jucato | and the music was freaky :) | 16:47 |
| CosmoHill | I was about to say, he looks fuzzy but then the camera focused | 16:47 |
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| Jucato | hahaha | 16:48 |
| Jucato | young and fuzzy :) | 16:48 |
| berndhs | its the finnish diet, he is actually 78 years old | 16:48 |
| CosmoHill | lol, "lying on his sofa at home" | 16:48 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lbt, that was a good session | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | and kudos for getting people to use the mic | 16:49 |
| Jucato | CosmoHill: that's Stskeeps' current job too | 16:49 |
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| CosmoHill | being young, fuzzy and programming from a sofa? | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | It's tekojo. | 16:50 |
| lardman | oops, missed the start | 16:50 |
| Mece | is the stream working for you? | 16:51 |
| lardman | yep | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 16:51 |
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| lardman | I was on the phone, didn't realise it had started | 16:51 |
| CosmoHill | out of the creepy music and the fuzz tekojo emerged | 16:51 |
| * CosmoHill offers biscuits | 16:52 | |
| Jucato | not working for me anymore. but understandable because my sis is home downloading stuff :) | 16:52 |
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| * Jucato really can't get used to Finnish accent | 16:53 | |
| Mece | i've got 0.2fps and no sound... | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | Jucato, QoS | 16:53 |
| CosmoHill | his english is very good | 16:53 |
| berndhs | its getting here ok, so problem is not at the source | 16:53 |
| Mece | crap. | 16:54 |
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| * npm thinks quality and understandability of telecasting is great | 16:54 | |
| Mece | yeah it has been really good, but i seem to be suffering from network problems here. | 16:56 |
| CosmoHill | oo, internal feedback system, nice | 16:56 |
| berndhs | about 1/2 of these talks are without slide ? | 16:57 |
| JPohlmann | Yep | 16:57 |
| JPohlmann | Unfortunately they are | 16:57 |
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| Jucato | not "without slides". just not shown in the camera :) | 16:58 |
| Jucato | the talks have slides I mean | 16:58 |
| niala | berndhs: 100% | 16:58 |
| berndhs | the way he talks you can't really tell if there are slides with it | 16:58 |
| JPohlmann | Nah. Talks with hacking involved were panned between speaker and screen | 16:58 |
| Myrtti | which is why they're not shown ;-) | 16:58 |
| JPohlmann | So it's not 100% | 16:58 |
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| ColKilkenny | #meego mentioned \o/ | 16:59 |
| berndhs | all these presenters are movie star material, I know that, but seen slides would be nice too :) | 17:00 |
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| Mece | \o/ | 17:00 |
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| * dm8tbr seconds berndhs | 17:00 | |
| Mece | berndhs, some more than other | 17:00 |
| alsihad | more often than not, slides are just distracting, imho | 17:00 |
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| alsihad | should only be used if you want to show code and fear the demo gods ;) | 17:01 |
| berndhs | yeah but these are great slides :) | 17:01 |
| npm | slides are best distributed by HTTP | 17:01 |
| berndhs | npm: yes, before the talk | 17:01 |
| alsihad | speaking of distractions... | 17:02 |
| * alsihad turns of stream, gets back to work | 17:02 | |
| riot | hmhm. just installed the current netbook release in virtualbox, after install and accountsetup i get a black screen :/ | 17:02 |
| smoku | most of the speakers use the slides as a cheat-sheet for the speach, so you do not loose much | 17:03 |
| berndhs | it still helps to see the structure of the talk | 17:03 |
| Mece | ffs! my network seems fine. but I still can't get this crap to work! grr! | 17:03 |
| Mece | this crap being the stream | 17:03 |
| dm8tbr | berndhs: IMHO somethign like that would be awesome in terms of video presentation - http://www.tvagile.com/2009/07/24/scrum-at-large-managing-100-people-and-more/ | 17:04 |
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| berndhs | yes combined stuff like that | 17:04 |
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| GAN900 | dm8tbr, pitch it on the lists. | 17:07 |
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| smoku | berndhs: for me it's a distraction. i just red the whole slide and waiting for the next ;) | 17:09 |
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| berndhs | smoku: then dont read the text :) | 17:11 |
| smoku | can't help it :D | 17:11 |
| berndhs | turn off the video | 17:11 |
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| riot | live-booting doesn't work either. :(( | 17:12 |
| smoku | you mean close my eyes? | 17:12 |
| berndhs | yeah | 17:12 |
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| berndhs | or look someplace else | 17:12 |
| berndhs | just because there are slides doesnt mean you have to look | 17:13 |
| smoku | i would asleep then probably ;) and snore | 17:13 |
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| smoku | there are slides and i cannot stop myself from reading ahead | 17:14 |
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| alsihad | smoku: look at your irc client. that surely won't distract you ;) | 17:15 |
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| smoku | there were some good presentations wich used slides as visualisation aid for the speach | 17:15 |
| lardman | this working for anyone else?: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/thread.html | 17:15 |
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| alsihad | i share this compulsive reading disorder. which is why i mostly avoid movies with subtitles | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | ahhh loud | 17:16 |
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| berndhs | lardman: i see a list of mails | 17:16 |
| lardman | try clicking a mail | 17:16 |
| JPohlmann | lardman: No, broken | 17:16 |
| lardman | ok, thanks | 17:17 |
| berndhs | sample of 2 clicks says "Not Found" | 17:17 |
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| lardman | I don't recommend getting up at 5.30am, I'm having troubles staying awake here | 17:26 |
| CosmoHill | "where the hell is the start menu?" | 17:26 |
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| lardman | CosmoHill: in the middle at the bottom | 17:27 |
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| Razur | Hello, I am wondering if that is possible to install MeeGo on Nokia n97? | 17:27 |
| lardman | no | 17:27 |
| CosmoHill | only if you port it | 17:27 |
| Razur | okey thanks | 17:27 |
| Razur | i think thats the worst phone ever i had :\ | 17:28 |
| berndhs | razur: send it to me, i'll port meego :) | 17:28 |
| riot | hmm. the xserver keeps restarting :( | 17:28 |
| Razur | sure :P, i will try it myself maybe later | 17:28 |
| lardman | berndhs: you know we'll hold you to that | 17:28 |
| berndhs | it could take me some time | 17:28 |
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| CosmoHill | aren't N97s bricks? | 17:29 |
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| Razur | yeh a bit | 17:30 |
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| Razur | meh at least i can install Qt for n97 | 17:31 |
| berndhs | you might need several of them to support 1 meego | 17:31 |
| Razur | so i will have fun killing it :D | 17:31 |
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| pupnik | what are the minimum resolution requirements for meego? | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | they look almost ready | 17:31 |
| pupnik | it's an interesting quesiton for lots of reasons | 17:32 |
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| berndhs | pupnik: is there a minimum resolution, and if so, why ? | 17:34 |
| smoku | pupnik: none. i have a meego installation running headless | 17:34 |
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| pupnik | berndhs: because resolution sets the upper bound of what you can display on a 2D screen | 17:34 |
| berndhs | yes but why would there be a minimum ? | 17:35 |
| lardman | pupnik: the ui is not part of the core | 17:35 |
| lardman | afaiu | 17:35 |
| riot | nope, even the mentioned solution to manually start firstboot doesn't fix it. I still get INIT-respawn-too-fast-errors | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | oh wait, he can't see that | 17:36 |
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| pupnik | berndhs: because if there isn't, apps will be unreadable on some devices | 17:37 |
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| Mat_Matan | hi | 17:37 |
| berndhs | pupnik: that assumes that the core specifies how things are displayed | 17:37 |
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| berndhs | pupnik: of *if* things are displayed | 17:37 |
| pupnik | is the core associated with a set of apps ? (not yet! hahah) | 17:37 |
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| pupnik | but i understand your point. how would you apply the question to the handset-ux? | 17:39 |
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| pupnik | ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQsOb6mO0A | 17:40 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQsOb6mO0A | 17:40 |
| berndhs | i can imaging handsets without displays | 17:40 |
| berndhs | s/ging/gine | 17:41 |
| riot | i don't even get the netbook edition to display anything. | 17:41 |
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| slaine | Hey folks, updated my broadcom wifi src rpm to match the latest upstream broadcom | 17:43 |
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| riot | only output i get is "Process meego-power-ico (pid: FOO, ti=BAR, task=qux task.ti=baz)" + INIT-Respawn-Error after 9 X-Crashes. | 17:43 |
| slaine | they bumped the version and removed the version I was pulling down | 17:44 |
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| lardman | let me know what happens, I'm heading home, bbiab | 17:48 |
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| npm | back from dropping off kid at school... what talk are we on? | 17:51 |
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| riot | damn. I want a debian-phone :( | 17:53 |
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| * riot is sick of all these "phone-operatingsystems"... | 17:53 | |
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| berndhs | riot: all coponents properly aged like good wine ? | 17:54 |
| riot | berndhs: i don't know what you're talking about. You probably neither. | 17:54 |
| berndhs | yeah that must be it | 17:55 |
| alsihad | berndhs: either that, or all components unstable like nitroglycerin (scnr) | 17:55 |
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| riot | hm. Debian works on _all_ my machines. With quite very recent package-versions. Whereas all the mobile operating systems (except maemo4.... *sigh*) don't. | 17:56 |
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| slaine | yeah, debian's great | 17:56 |
| riot | i've seen too many of these "mobile distros" fly by and die. Debian has proven itself again and again over so much time. | 17:57 |
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| slaine | especially on phones | 17:57 |
| slaine | oh wait... | 17:57 |
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| stephg | heh | 17:57 |
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| berndhs | well, debian hasn't died on any phones that I know of, I see the point | 17:58 |
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| npm | how do people watch the live stream on a n900 running maemo? (the flashplayer doesn't seem to work in the webrowser) | 18:24 |
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| npm | and rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango doesn't seem to be a stream | 18:25 |
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| access | you need to identify and add the stream id also | 18:26 |
| access | no stream running atm though | 18:26 |
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| npm | access: got the "format" of the rtmp URI ? | 18:27 |
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| access | sorry, no | 18:27 |
| access | can try to figure it out when the stream starts again | 18:28 |
| npm | thanks. | 18:28 |
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| lardman | re | 18:28 |
| npm | i would imagine kmplayer would be able to play it directly | 18:28 |
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| lardman | anyone else got video yet? | 18:30 |
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| CosmoHill | nope | 18:30 |
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| lardman | anyone there in person? Has the talk started? | 18:34 |
| lokesh | who can help me getting Meego running on my touchscreen laptop | 18:34 |
| lokesh | ??? | 18:34 |
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| lardman | ah video, good | 18:34 |
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| piratephlox | yesterday I read on pcmag about the amd join to meego, and they were like, and LG builds the first MeeGo Phone, any updates on that? Since their article is from Feburary about it: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359918,00.asp | 18:35 |
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| GAN900 | Lots of people in the Handset UX session expecting big things. | 18:35 |
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| tripzero | :S | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, how is the tablet? | 18:35 |
| lardman | lokesh: tried the meego wiki? | 18:36 |
| lokesh | yes.. the thing is I am using HP smart which comes with ATI graphics card | 18:37 |
| lokesh | I installed the ati-driver, then was able to see the Meego UI | 18:37 |
| lardman | probably not the best time now as everyone's watching live video of the Meego conf | 18:37 |
| tripzero | who is doing the handset ux session? | 18:37 |
| lokesh | but now the problem I have is my touchscreen doesnt work | 18:37 |
| tripzero | there's a live video? | 18:37 |
| tripzero | linky? | 18:37 |
| lardman | that will have a separate driver anyway | 18:37 |
| lardman | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming | 18:38 |
| lokesh | who has that driver | 18:38 |
| lardman | no idea | 18:38 |
| * npm still can't figure out rtmp url out of above for direct viewing w/o flash | 18:38 | |
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| npm | (in case i need to move to a different room for a moment and want to watch on n900 :-) ) | 18:38 |
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| npm | access ?? | 18:39 |
| access | rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango/quango | 18:40 |
| npm | aha! | 18:40 |
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| lardman | slides of any interest? | 18:40 |
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| access | if they'd only show them yeah | 18:41 |
| lardman | I was just wondering if he was showing anything of interest or not | 18:41 |
| access | don't know if the current guy is using any slides though?! | 18:41 |
| lardman | he keeps pressing a button | 18:42 |
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| access | mm, someone should tell the camera guy | 18:43 |
| npm | access: rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango/quango works, but not on n900 (yet) | 18:43 |
| npm | but it's nice watching in mplayer directly on my desktop :-) | 18:44 |
| access | Stream #0.0: Video: vp6f, yuv420p, 720x576, 25 tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc | 18:44 |
| access | Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 64 kb/s | 18:44 |
| access | ah | 18:44 |
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| lardman | pupnik: this might be what you're asking about - handset profile to be established by 1.2 | 18:45 |
| lardman | hmm, 512Mb RAM min | 18:46 |
| access | nmp rtmpdump + ffplay works on my N900 | 18:48 |
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| lardman | DLTE? | 18:50 |
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| lardman | ah a data transfer standard | 18:51 |
| Mek | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution ? | 18:51 |
| lardman | yeah sounds right from context | 18:51 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:51 |
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| npm | heh featurezilla | 18:53 |
| * npm created issuezilla | 18:54 | |
| npm | s/created/hacked | 18:54 |
| sabotage | should be called frankenzilla... | 18:54 |
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| npm | that's what it was 10 years ago. pure sausage | 18:55 |
| lardman | so where is this featurezilla? I can't seem to find it under bugs.meego.com | 18:56 |
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| sabotage | that's why it's frankenzilla... it's all "integrated" | 18:57 |
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| lardman | ah ok, I just need to choose my search terms better | 18:57 |
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| sabotage | go to "search" and select "MeeGo Features" for the classification | 18:57 |
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| lardman | someone ask if it will support MMS ;) | 18:58 |
| npm | "MeeGo Featurezilla is essentially the same Bugzilla database we use for bugs, with a few tweaks to better fit requirement management" | 18:58 |
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| npm | wow 10 year old easter eggs still there "Zarro Boogs found." ( http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=MeeGo%20Features/ ) | 18:59 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, there aren't enough of them. | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, they MAY be getting more tomorrow. | 19:02 |
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| npm | ( http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=Meego+Features is correct url ) | 19:03 |
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| lardman | ask about MMS | 19:04 |
| lardman | :) | 19:04 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, there aren't enough of them. | 19:04 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, they MAY be getting more tomorrow. | 19:04 |
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| lardman | GAN900: fingers crossed | 19:05 |
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| GAN900 | lardman, otherwise, apparently they're collecting mailing addresses. | 19:06 |
| lardman | ah, that's ok then | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | logistical nightmare, though. | 19:07 |
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| lardman | but presumably there are some extra requirements per-app that Nokia have over and above the core | 19:08 |
| lardman | so that they can differentiate | 19:08 |
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| CosmoHill | at last I can see the slides | 19:09 |
| lardman | lol | 19:09 |
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| CosmoHill | if you're sat in the middle it must be like watching tenis cos you go from the slides to the presenter and back again | 19:09 |
| lardman | lokesh: wait till tomorrow or thursday and you'll find lots more people here | 19:10 |
| lardman | once they return from the conf | 19:10 |
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| lokesh | lardman : thanks | 19:10 |
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| lokesh | sure | 19:10 |
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| lardman | wow, the talks keep going | 19:11 |
| * lardman grabs a beer | 19:11 | |
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| CosmoHill | lardman I think you tripped over a cable | 19:15 |
| lardman | yeah seems that way | 19:16 |
| lardman | or perhaps they all ran off to get beer | 19:16 |
| stephg | I wish I had beer :/ | 19:16 |
| lardman | stephg: why don't you? | 19:16 |
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| stephg | I'm in an office | 19:16 |
| stephg | :) | 19:16 |
| Tm_T | they all will come back in a moment | 19:16 |
| lardman | ah, that's a mistake | 19:16 |
| stephg | actually there's a leaving do so I might be able to later | 19:17 |
| lardman | :) | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | hell yeah! | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | my program freaking works! | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | it's taken about 6 hours of work today | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | maybe closer to 7 hours | 19:18 |
| alterego | "Hello, world!" program? :P | 19:18 |
| stephg | \o/ | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | is that LBT, ah he's out of shot how | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | hello people in the real world .o/ | 19:19 |
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| lardman | better docs | 19:20 |
| lardman | for example the contacts stuff in qtmobility | 19:20 |
| lokesh | how to resolve this problem in SDK: | 19:21 |
| lokesh | File './repodata/bc05a4f88292f5b6a4098fe2c2a26c8db4b4bbbcd78a394344df0e842c78a608-primary.xml.gz' not found on medium 'http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/' | 19:21 |
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| stephg | lokesh, that path looks funny (but I know nothing about the SDK) | 19:21 |
| stephg | download.meego.com/testing/ is usually how the urls start there | 19:22 |
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| stephg | ooh I lied | 19:22 |
| stephg | I don't know what I'm talking about | 19:22 |
| lardman | get some beer! | 19:22 |
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| berndhs | the beer on the conference tables looks really light, almost like water | 19:23 |
| access | Q: (not really my area of expertise) are hardware DSPs and camera raw streams available through Qt APIs or will they be? | 19:23 |
| lardman | would you want them to be? | 19:23 |
| access | yeah | 19:23 |
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| CosmoHill | access: type QUESTION as it's easier to spot | 19:23 |
| lardman | Qt is supposed to abstract that away isbn't it? | 19:23 |
| npm | access: i have same question. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/multimedia.html answers some | 19:24 |
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| access | or my colleague would like them :) | 19:24 |
| npm | needs it for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | I think the camera should focus on the person speaking | 19:25 |
| lardman | npm: wrap a gstreamer pipeline in your own Qt widget> | 19:25 |
| lardman | ? | 19:25 |
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| access | seems like those official APIs only allow for a call to record a file, Iäd like to get a stream from the camera device and access to hw encoders | 19:26 |
| lardman | in that case I think you have to write your own widget | 19:26 |
| access | yeah, that's what we're doing at the moment… would just be nice to know if we'd get some extra abstraction or another method :) | 19:26 |
| npm | does anybody have sourcecode for a "video camera widget" | 19:26 |
| * CosmoHill has done a process ring with pipes in 100 lines | 19:27 | |
| CosmoHill | it only took a few weeks >.< | 19:27 |
| npm | access, lardman: any pointers to existing code to such widgetry? | 19:28 |
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| lardman | npm: what's the hw? | 19:28 |
| access | not OSS that I know of, except for a gst chain, no Qt code though | 19:28 |
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| lardman | Just open the v4l2 device directly perhaps | 19:29 |
| lardman | lots of example code around for that | 19:29 |
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| npm | N900 is hardware. would http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Camera_API_Usage work on meego too? | 19:29 |
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| lardman | I don;t know whether they plan to keep gst | 19:30 |
| lardman | or move to something else | 19:30 |
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| lardman | certainly gst is a bit of pita | 19:30 |
| lardman | imho | 19:30 |
| npm | that's why i was confused by your gstreamer pipeline comment | 19:30 |
| lardman | simply because that's a way of doing it | 19:30 |
| npm | seemed unportable | 19:30 |
| lardman | :) | 19:30 |
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| lardman | actually no it's not, but it depends on how much hw control you need | 19:31 |
| lardman | I find it annoying from a docs point of view | 19:31 |
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| lardman | take a look at mBarcode (maemo-barcode) in maemo Garage | 19:31 |
| npm | not much. a working example that does minimal video capture and viewfinder | 19:31 |
| lardman | for a wrapped gst pipeline in a class | 19:31 |
| CosmoHill | I wonder if he has IRC on that laptop | 19:31 |
| lardman | in that case you probably want to use camerabin | 19:31 |
| * npm googles | 19:32 | |
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| lardman | Take a look at the FCamera source | 19:32 |
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| lardman | I needed a more complex pipeline setup for mBarcode so didn't use that | 19:33 |
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| slaine | what's the name of the Qt tool for adjusting the fonts/theme etc. ? | 19:33 |
| stephg | lardman, you're the author of mbarcode? | 19:34 |
| lardman | yes | 19:34 |
| slaine | (got disconnnected, not sure if that last question went through) | 19:34 |
| stephg | kewl | 19:34 |
| Mece | slaine, theme customizer? | 19:34 |
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| lardman | slaine: yeah it did, I don't know | 19:34 |
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| drcooper | how do i inctall ext4 kernel modules in meego | 19:34 |
| npm | lardman: thanks for fcamera pointer | 19:34 |
| lardman | np, let me know how you get on | 19:34 |
| slaine | not sure, thought it was qt.... | 19:35 |
| drcooper | how do i inctall ext4 kernel modules in meego | 19:35 |
| drcooper | *install | 19:35 |
| lardman | Qt mobility contacts interface gives out cryptic error numbers rather than messages, is that a useful comment? | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | I'd like the camera to zoom out and how the room | 19:36 |
| lardman | The room was quite dark, so we might not be able to see much | 19:36 |
| slaine | drcooper: there are none, you'd have to get the kernel source rpm and recompile with those enabled in the config | 19:36 |
| stephg | slaine, did I imagine I saw they were coming in one of the mailing lists? | 19:37 |
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| drcooper | where i can get rpms? | 19:37 |
| stephg | can't remember where I saw it but I seem to remember that for some reason | 19:37 |
| slaine | drcooper: repo.meego.com | 19:37 |
| slaine | stephg: possibly, not sure. | 19:37 |
| drcooper | slaine: so thats the default right | 19:37 |
| slaine | yeah | 19:38 |
| lardman | Address book tutorial is not great, assuming that's the contacts Qt mobility one | 19:38 |
| drcooper | slaine: do you know package names? | 19:38 |
| stephg | drcooper, if you're building on the device itself zypper search kernel will help | 19:38 |
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| slaine | not too familiar with zypper yet, whats the equivilant of yum-downloader --source | 19:39 |
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| alsihad | wasn't there an effort to improve qt creator on netbook resolution? | 19:39 |
| lardman | yes, it can be very hard to insert items into layouts, why not allow that to be done with a right click rather than dragging and dropping | 19:39 |
| drcooper | stephg: which package should i install | 19:39 |
| slaine | alsihad: no idea, but it sucks atm | 19:39 |
| alsihad | i would like to see (better) support for unit testing/tdd | 19:40 |
| lardman | I get the feeling no-one is listening to us on IRC | 19:40 |
| drcooper | stephg: kernel-netbook? | 19:40 |
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| slaine | drcooper: yes | 19:41 |
| slaine | assuming netbook target | 19:41 |
| drcooper | slaine: but that is installed by default...but no suport for ext4 | 19:41 |
| slaine | that's the binary package | 19:42 |
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| lardman | hmm, he's just sidestepped the comment about qt mobility contacts | 19:42 |
| slaine | drcooper: you've clearly never built the kernel before | 19:42 |
| drcooper | slaine: nope..pls help | 19:42 |
| slaine | no offence, but getting ext43 support might be a little beyond you atm | 19:42 |
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| slaine | s/ext43/ext4 | 19:43 |
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| drcooper | slaine: try helping me pls | 19:43 |
| drcooper | :) | 19:43 |
| slaine | drcooper: try helping yourself and use google :) | 19:43 |
| drcooper | i googled | 19:43 |
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| stephg | slaine, we don't have dkms in meego do we | 19:43 |
| slaine | we've already pointed you in the right direction, | 19:43 |
| stephg | not that that would help him here | 19:43 |
| slaine | stephg: no | 19:44 |
| alsihad | features for unit testing: create unit test for currently opened class (generate stubs for all public methods), switch between class/test (like impl/header), as an alternative to having a seperate project for tests, have another build config (release/debug/unittest) with defines and post build step to run all tests | 19:44 |
| slaine | meego hasn't got many modules compiled by default | 19:44 |
| lardman | yay Quim | 19:44 |
| stephg | drcooper, provided you're not using the new ext4 features you should be able to mount ext4 as ext3 anyways | 19:44 |
| lardman | and may or may not work on the N900 | 19:44 |
| drcooper | stephg: i have an ext4 ubuntu partition | 19:45 |
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| lardman | +1 for more docs comment | 19:45 |
| lardman | and canned examples too | 19:46 |
| alsihad | ... and a nice gui with a green bar, when all tests passed | 19:46 |
| stephg | if you're in meego right now, what happens if you try and mount it as "-t ext3" instead? does it fail or just complain | 19:46 |
| lardman | backends missing, which ones? And are these marked in the docs? | 19:46 |
| stephg | drcooper, looks like default ubuntu ext4 partitions won't mount | 19:47 |
| stephg | sorry | 19:47 |
| drcooper | stephg: ya | 19:47 |
| drcooper | stephg: slaine when i tried to compile myself," make M=fs/ext4 " gives warning of symbol version dump. Could you help me from here? I had executed menuconfig successfully and added ext4 module to the list. | 19:50 |
| slaine | wtf, there's no qtconfig in meego ??? | 19:51 |
| drcooper | slaine: i used menuconf..how does it matter | 19:51 |
| alsihad | breaking news: kitware joins meego, contributes cmake build system to qt ;) | 19:51 |
| slaine | drcooper: sorry, commenting about my own issue | 19:52 |
| drcooper | ok.. | 19:52 |
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| slaine | qtcreator looks like shit, wanted to set the qt font settings | 19:52 |
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| lardman | who's the guy presenting atm? | 19:53 |
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| lardman | better and more mini examples! | 19:54 |
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| lardman | what is the reason pray tell? | 19:54 |
| lardman | come on, tell us the reason for the private class | 19:54 |
| Mek | binary compatibility... | 19:55 |
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| lardman | so that it can be interogated to check the version? | 19:55 |
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| Mek | no, so that changes can be made to that private class that don't affect the layout/size/whatever of the public class that people actually interact with | 19:56 |
| niala | slaine: you mean monospace font in qtcreator ? | 19:56 |
| Mek | so basically hiding implementation details from users of the classes | 19:56 |
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| lardman | Mek: but hiding a subclass? Rather than just making methods private? | 19:56 |
| Mek | this is mostly about data members; you can't add/remove/change datamembers in public classes without breaking binary compatibility | 19:57 |
| lardman | ok fair enough | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | timeless_mbp: put your arm up | 19:57 |
| Mek | for non-virtual private methods it is purely a convention to not expose tehm | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 19:57 |
| * timeless_mbp is @hotel | 19:57 | |
| CosmoHill | oh okay | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: where are you? | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | england | 19:57 |
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| lardman | still, put your hand up, we're got you in our sights | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | but I'm watching the video stream | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | of what? | 19:58 |
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| lardman | 50cal | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | of the oh whaty was it called | 19:58 |
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| CosmoHill | birds of a feather meeting | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | that/'s it | 19:58 |
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| alsihad | was that the last one for today? | 19:58 |
| lardman | no, one more I think | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | who the hell just put a microphone stand there | 19:58 |
| lardman | BoF - MeeGo Infrastructure | 19:59 |
| access | meego infrastructure bof coming up | 19:59 |
| berndhs | 5 presenters | 19:59 |
| CosmoHill | "but only one will leave" | 19:59 |
| alsihad | they present to the death? | 19:59 |
| alsihad | is it safe for the audience? | 19:59 |
| lardman | no many in the audience, must have realised | 20:00 |
| RST38h | lardman: When do they wrap up for the day? | 20:00 |
| lardman | 7pm | 20:00 |
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| berndhs | audience saw the 50cal | 20:00 |
| lardman | no, 6.40pm | 20:00 |
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| lardman | berndhs: that's pointed at the hotel though | 20:00 |
| berndhs | you only have one ? | 20:00 |
| lardman | hard carrying through customs you know | 20:01 |
| berndhs | true | 20:01 |
| srikanth_rst | hello guy any one know what all audio and video formats are supported in meego hand sets | 20:01 |
| berndhs | and i guess teh old ira stocks are looked up good | 20:01 |
| lardman | yeah, need a spade in that case | 20:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | srikanth_rst: you mean the software stack that isn't sold today in any physical handset? | 20:02 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to imagine why that'd be useful | 20:02 | |
| stephg | srikanth_rst, a subset of all the patent unencumbered ones? | 20:02 |
| lardman | actually is there a minimum set of required formats I wonder? | 20:02 |
| stephg | (not very helpful!) | 20:02 |
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| srikanth_rst | timeless_mbp:yes | 20:02 |
| CosmoHill | I can see lbt again | 20:02 |
| lardman | let's guess that mp3 will be needed at least | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | srikanth_rst: why? | 20:03 |
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| srikanth_rst | no i want know what formats meego supports ....when meego.com give public release | 20:04 |
| lardman | srikanth_rst: I doubt it has been established yet | 20:04 |
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| srikanth_rst | i heard it will support only ogg only ? | 20:05 |
| niala | bird of feather is an english expression ? waht that mean ? | 20:05 |
| access | guess the current panel can answer… if anyone is both on irc and there irl :) | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | niala: google? | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | srikanth_rst: for software, the answer can change until the very last minute | 20:05 |
| lardman | niala: it means similar | 20:05 |
| stephg | niala, "birds of a feather flock together" | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | which means asking about the future is kind of pointless | 20:05 |
| lardman | or that | 20:05 |
| lardman | oops | 20:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | none of us are good at reading tea leaves | 20:05 |
| niala | yes and french translation is absurd | 20:05 |
| stephg | well it's both innit | 20:05 |
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| lardman | :) | 20:05 |
| srikanth_rst | timeless_mbp: thanks | 20:06 |
| lardman | I thought you wrote inuit there | 20:06 |
| lardman | (spelling?) | 20:06 |
| stephg | heh | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | niala: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=birds%20of%20feather&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 20:07 |
| lardman | ok, so we're talking about extras for libs here | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | the first hit is for a wikipedia article | 20:07 |
| lardman | depend on a specific library and keep old libraries until nothing depends on them? | 20:08 |
| lardman | send to lbt | 20:08 |
| alsihad | uuh, he said "agile"! can i get my unit testing stuff now? ;) | 20:08 |
| niala | timeless_mbp: lol funny | 20:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | niala: learning to use google is important | 20:09 |
| lardman | is that Jaffa? | 20:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | lardman: which room is this, and when does it expire? | 20:10 |
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| lardman | in the main room, finishes at 6.40pm | 20:10 |
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| lardman | timeless_mbp: President's Terrace | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, maybe i'll go back | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it sounds like it's storming outside :( | 20:10 |
| lardman | nasty | 20:10 |
| * stephg nearly beer time | 20:11 | |
| lardman | :) | 20:11 |
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| Myrtti | oh my. I guess I've been a bit tired, I looked at the IRC channel for about ten minutes and didn't notice that none of the discussion went forward, clock on the statusbar was stagnant and timestamps were over an hour old | 20:14 |
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| lardman | Myrtti: get a beer | 20:14 |
| CosmoHill | is that x-fade again? | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But, frankly, what difference does it make? | 20:15 |
| Mek | yes | 20:15 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: none to you, none to me, but it just shows and proves to atleast me that I'm really, really tired | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Sleeeeeeeeeep | 20:15 |
| lardman | be careful lbt, they just won't bother promoting | 20:17 |
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| lardman | urgh, that sounds nasty, the package manager would have to be happy to remove unused libs | 20:19 |
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| lardman | someone get Jaffa a beer | 20:22 |
| berndhs | do package managers know about Qt plugins required by Qt apps ? | 20:22 |
| lardman | as long as your deps are correct | 20:22 |
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| lardman | at least that's my thought | 20:23 |
| berndhs | you have to specify that manually though, I think | 20:23 |
| berndhs | building and doing ldd won't tell you | 20:23 |
| lardman | yeah the packages have to say what they depend on, but that's not the rpm way is it | 20:25 |
| berndhs | i'm not sure. opensuse build complains if you specify too much manually | 20:25 |
| lardman | I'm coming from the deb side | 20:26 |
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| lardman | so I don;t know I'm afraid | 20:26 |
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| lardman | I'm going to have to call it quits for the viewing, need to head to the shops and buy some food | 20:26 |
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| lardman | enjoy the Guiness to all those in Dublin, see the rest of you later on :) | 20:27 |
| berndhs | I think it gets worse, an app could work in reduced capacity without a plugin | 20:27 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|afk: Graham and I are doing loads of talking into the mic :-) | 20:32 |
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| Jaffa | Feel like we're hogging it, but ho hum | 20:32 |
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| * CosmoHill noms pizza | 20:33 | |
| CosmoHill | I've been so productive I feel like it's wednesday | 20:33 |
| tripzero | mmm... pizza | 20:34 |
| berndhs | i've been so productive I feel like its last friday | 20:35 |
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| CosmoHill | interesting: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50023 | 20:36 |
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| alsihad | qtestlib has all the usual test stuff as well | 20:38 |
| CosmoHill | this guy understands | 20:38 |
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| alsihad | but afaik there is no easy way to have a suite of tests | 20:38 |
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| alsihad | i used this workaround in my app for that: http://qtcreator.blogspot.com/2009/10/running-multiple-unit-tests.html | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | alsihad: Yeah, JUnit is fantastic. | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | yay lbt | 20:40 |
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| Jaffa | Makes me appreciate the experience of big enterprise frameworks. | 20:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | oops | 20:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i hope i don't miss the bus | 20:56 |
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| alsihad | one of the guys mentioned they use cucumber. was he referring to this? http://cukes.info/ | 20:56 |
| alsihad | seems somewhat ruby specific to me :-? | 20:57 |
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| timakima | alsihad: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver this was mentioned in qa-tools presentation at least | 21:03 |
| timakima | if that's what you meant | 21:03 |
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| alsihad | maybe, looks interesting. thx | 21:04 |
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| timakima | alsihad: http://www.youtube.com/meegoqatools here's some video about testability driver too | 21:06 |
| alsihad | i have a (my first) qt app with some slightly complex control flow, that i find hard to test (because i'm not an agile tdd rockstar ;) so i'm always interested in improvements in that regard | 21:06 |
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| timakima | alsihad: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools and here are other meego testing tools also, if you're interested | 21:08 |
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| alsihad | timakima, thx, as soon as i find some time, i'll try to write a simple meego app that uses all this neat testing stuff :) | 21:21 |
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| alsihad | meego netbook ux wont fit on a 4gb microsd, right? | 21:30 |
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| Mek | why not? the netbook image is 830MB... | 21:36 |
| alsihad | iirc, i've read some minimum space requirement > 4 gb. i'll try | 21:36 |
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| alsihad | hm, the sd card doesn't fit flush in my shiny new netbook. bummer | 21:38 |
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| alsihad | might as well use a larger usb stick then | 21:38 |
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| hena | i'm planning to build a meego ivi platform, but i don't seem to find the hardware specs page anywhere | 21:52 |
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| jrayhawk | a/window 17 | 22:00 |
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| hena | obviously if i build my own kernel my changes would not roll to main | 22:02 |
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| alsihad | weird, the keyboard doesn't work in meego | 22:15 |
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| niala | alsihad: sad lol | 22:16 |
| alsihad | but it looks nice and the animations are very snappy :) | 22:17 |
| niala | handset ? | 22:17 |
| alsihad | no, netbook | 22:17 |
| alsihad | on a samsung nf310 (which is quite awesome, btw) | 22:17 |
| niala | ah and no keyboard that's strange | 22:17 |
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| alsihad | i actually had a ideapad s10-3t before that, but ended up returning it | 22:18 |
| alsihad | (which doesn't mean i wouldn't like one to play with ;) | 22:18 |
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| meego | hi, I have intel atom hardware. I have already compiled my kernel for meego. But I dnt know how can I boot a kernel using terminal? | 22:49 |
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| meego | hi, I have intel atom hardware. I have already compiled my kernel for meego. But I dnt know how can I boot a kernel using terminal? | 22:49 |
| hena | you don't have to repeat | 22:49 |
| meego | i m sorry | 22:50 |
| hena | you need qemu or something to boot from terminal | 22:50 |
| hena | and you need the userspace installed somewhere prior | 22:50 |
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| meego | I think Qemu is emulator. I have the actual hardware. | 22:51 |
| meego | I am looking for bootcommands for my hardware | 22:51 |
| hena | well, then you don't boot from terminal | 22:51 |
| hena | you need to setup your bootloader to access your kernel and init and root | 22:51 |
| meego | Can you give some more information on how to do that? | 22:52 |
| hena | google for grub or lilo manuals | 22:52 |
| meego | ok | 22:52 |
| hena | but you need to have the meego userspace installed on a separate partition | 22:53 |
| meego | what is the meego user space? | 22:53 |
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| meego | I never came across it .. | 22:53 |
| meego | forgive me .. as I am new .. i have some silly doubts | 22:53 |
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| hena | the kernel is just the soul of the system, but doesn't do anything on it's own | 22:54 |
| hena | it doesn't have any tools or software | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | meego: if you want to boot into termial press tab or something at boot and replace "quiet" with 3 | 22:55 |
| meego | yes I know what kernel is .. .but ya .. I guess by user space you mean to say the tools like image creator , writer and other | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | also can you change your username, it's kind of misleading in this channel | 22:55 |
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| meego | Thanks CosmoHill | 22:56 |
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| hena | umm, i thought he wanted to boot from terminal | 22:56 |
| hena | sry | 22:56 |
| meego | Thanks Hena | 22:57 |
| meego | Also I have problem with my Image Creator .. | 22:57 |
| meego | its the problem in debug.py | 22:57 |
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| CosmoHill | okay that's creepy, youtube have my average download speed from their servers over a 3 week period | 23:00 |
| meego | What is the meego source code? .. I have downloaded the meego-core-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1-fs | 23:01 |
| meego | but it seems ike rootfs | 23:01 |
| meego | How can I get meego source code? | 23:01 |
| meego | I don't want prebuilt images | 23:01 |
| meego | I want source code as you see in Android or other OSs | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | would you mind changing your username to something else | 23:02 |
| CosmoHill | all the meego sources are avaiable in src.rpm format | 23:02 |
| meego | Can you tell me how to download the sources and build them | 23:03 |
| meego | I want source code as you see in Android or other OSs? | 23:03 |
| meego | i will change my name | 23:04 |
| CosmoHill | they are on http://repo.meego.com | 23:04 |
| timoph | you want to compile all the packages? o.O | 23:04 |
| hena | gentoogo | 23:05 |
| meego | yes | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | best of luck to you | 23:06 |
| timoph | why on earth? | 23:06 |
| niala | hey CosmoHill I think we a match tomorrow :) | 23:06 |
| meego | its because .. I want to change something in it | 23:06 |
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| CosmoHill | I've concidered doing the same but for a non SSSE3 platform | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | or maybe non-x86 | 23:06 |
| Termana | morning | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | morning Termana | 23:07 |
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| niala | meego: change your name please you can go to http://meego.gitorious.org/ | 23:07 |
| meego | i m dng it for SSSE3 platform | 23:07 |
| meego | thanks everybody | 23:08 |
| meego | i gtg | 23:08 |
| CosmoHill | bye bye | 23:08 |
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| CosmoHill | he's doomed | 23:08 |
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| timoph | to say the least | 23:08 |
| Termana | CosmoHill, ha ha ha | 23:08 |
| niala | he must be hurried | 23:09 |
| CosmoHill | i might be able to compile meego in 2 weeks flat out, if I knew what I was doing | 23:09 |
| Termana | What - he's not considering compiling manually is he? | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | must be | 23:11 |
| Termana | That's *suppose* to be one of the uses for the community OBS :p | 23:11 |
| Termana | supposed* | 23:11 |
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| tybollt | /nick meeto | 23:11 |
| CosmoHill | I think he's just heard of a new distro, and wanted to build it himself | 23:11 |
| timoph | btw, what's the community obs url? | 23:11 |
| CosmoHill | erm | 23:11 |
| Termana | timoph, cbuild.meego.com | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | https://cbuild.meego.com | 23:12 |
| timoph | thanks | 23:12 |
| tripzero | w00t at cbuild.meego.com! | 23:12 |
| CosmoHill | it will be http://build.pub.meego.com at some point | 23:12 |
| tripzero | build.bar.meego.com | 23:12 |
| timoph | asked lbt_away for access to it but forgot the url :) | 23:12 |
| niala | ah not a valid certif https | 23:12 |
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| timoph | hmmh. nobody building xchat for netbooks, I have that on my core obs home.. maybe I'll move that to cobs | 23:17 |
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| Nsan | Hehe | 23:36 |
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| hena | ah, pub was elected | 23:36 |
| CosmoHill | yep | 23:37 |
| hena | been out too long | 23:38 |
| CosmoHill | that explains the healthy tan | 23:38 |
| hena | hah | 23:38 |
| hena | anyways, still wonderin about the ivi hardware compliance | 23:39 |
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| hena | arf | 23:50 |
| CosmoHill | fyi there is a new version of adium out already | 23:50 |
| hena | adium? | 23:51 |
| hena | sorry for my lameness | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | you heard of Pidgin right? | 23:51 |
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| hena | yeah | 23:51 |
| Termana | Adium is the bastard version of Pidgin | 23:51 |
| CosmoHill | well it's that for mac | 23:51 |
| Termana | (for OS X in other words) | 23:52 |
| hena | ah,ok | 23:52 |
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| CosmoHill | since most of the intel guys (and dawn) who I see in here use macs i thought they might like to know | 23:52 |
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| hena | i don't believen in the devil | 23:52 |
| CosmoHill | you might not believen but do you believe? | 23:52 |
| Termana | lol | 23:53 |
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| hena | i hate the forums :/ | 23:53 |
| lolloo | why? | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | the meego one? | 23:53 |
| hena | all of them | 23:53 |
| hena | they're awkward touse | 23:53 |
| lolloo | than you have a problem my friend | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | I hang out on an awesome forum | 23:54 |
| lolloo | me too | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | the places I go to on the internet are every limited but very good | 23:54 |
| hena | searching, filtering, searcing, reading, waiting for pages to load | 23:54 |
| CosmoHill | the one I hang out on isn't to busy | 23:55 |
| hena | it's just so slow and painful and usually full of fud and crap | 23:55 |
| lolloo | that's crappy forums it seems | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | slow, painful, full of crap? have you been on 4chan? | 23:55 |
| lolloo | meego forums are original | 23:55 |
| hena | i prefer forums with relevant info | 23:56 |
| lolloo | also maemo talk | 23:56 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe you're on the wrong forum | 23:56 |
| lolloo | clearly | 23:56 |
| hena | just that i hate searching my answer from the millions of threads | 23:56 |
| Myrtti | There's only one thing about the meego forums I don't quite get | 23:56 |
| hena | with thousands of fud and ego posts | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: "everything"? | 23:56 |
| hena | "i don't know anything about this topic but i'll post anyways" | 23:56 |
| lolloo | hena go moan somewhere else | 23:56 |
| Myrtti | I don't quite understand the point behind the Hong Kong funs-thread | 23:56 |
| hena | sorry | 23:57 |
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| Myrtti | lolloo: meh | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | mythi: it's basically a chinese forum within a single thread | 23:57 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: by one person... with... stuff. | 23:57 |
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| CosmoHill | maybe he's only one person...physically | 23:58 |
| Myrtti | my brain implodes when I try to make sense of it with Google Translate | 23:58 |
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