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| CosmoHill | nate@blue[1001]:~ $ uptime | 00:30 |
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| CosmoHill | 22:30:40 up 350 days, 0 min, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.00 | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | :D | 00:30 |
| kyb3R | :) | 00:31 |
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| CosmoHill | now keep your port scanners to yourself | 00:32 |
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| paulsen | hello i am from germany | 00:40 |
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| paulsen | have some test meego on the Pandaboard? | 00:40 |
| dm8tbr | I'm sorry to hear that. | 00:41 |
| dm8tbr | Yes someone is trying that. I've seen mails on one of the meego-ml's | 00:41 |
| paulsen | ok | 00:42 |
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| paulsen | my idea is a touchscreen with the panderboard and Meego | 00:43 |
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| dm8tbr | I've seen videos of blaze running meego so it's entirely possible | 00:44 |
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| paulsen | have you a link to the videos? | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | paulsen: there are also Pixel QI displays that should work on pandaboard | 00:46 |
| dm8tbr | no, just look on youtube | 00:46 |
| pupnik | all you need to remove is that tower usb/ethernet header | 00:46 |
| pupnik | then pack pandaboard and battery into a case. hook up display | 00:46 |
| paulsen | ok | 00:46 |
| paulsen | thanks | 00:46 |
| pupnik | i think it's distinctly possible to build your own super-power tablet if you can create a fitting case | 00:47 |
| pupnik | but costs are pretty significant | 00:47 |
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| pupnik | and pandaboard isn't optimized for low power consumption | 00:48 |
| dm8tbr | yet | 00:48 |
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| desumoyo_meego | hi | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | i thought yuou disabled that | 01:28 |
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| desumoyo_meego | Someone play minecraft on meego 1.1 ? | 01:29 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know where TSCHAK is? | 01:32 |
| TSCHAK | sorry about that. | 01:32 |
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| gabrbedd | :-) | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | he's like my brother, he comes and goes and we have no idea where | 01:33 |
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| Tili | apt sources for meego keep redircting me to http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ | 01:38 |
| Tili | and apt-get does't like it. | 01:38 |
| Tili | got any solution? I will try getting .deb and install myself with dpkg otherwise | 01:39 |
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| gabrbedd | Tili: What does your apt line look like? | 01:46 |
| Tili | gabrbedd: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ | 01:47 |
| Tili | if you check for Packages file there it redirects to mirrors3.kernel.org | 01:47 |
| Tili | apt doesn't like redirects | 01:47 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: So what happens wen you use the mirrors3.kernel.org host? | 01:48 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: And... did you put it in the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/meego-tools.list ?? | 01:48 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: The ubuntu equivalent URL works fine for me (repo.meego.com) | 01:49 |
| Tili | then sudo apt-cache policy madde fails with 500 i think | 01:50 |
| Tili | I placed the url in sources.list itself. not in separate file. i dont think that would matter | 01:50 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: Can you copy/paste the while line to here? | 01:51 |
| Tili | anyway, i dont know what policy output shoule be | 01:51 |
| Tili | while line? | 01:51 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: where you added it in sources.list | 01:51 |
| Tili | #deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ / | 01:51 |
| Tili | deb http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ / | 01:51 |
| Tili | what should be output of that policy command? | 01:52 |
| Tili | it says madde not installed | 01:52 |
| Tili | i also wonder about gpg keys but i can ignore that for now | 01:52 |
| gabrbedd | apt-cache policy madde | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | madde: | 01:55 |
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| gabrbedd | Installed: (none) | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | Candidate: 0.7.53-6 | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | Version table: | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | 0.7.53-6 0 | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | 500 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/ Packages | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | [EOF] | 01:55 |
| gabrbedd | To install madde, you have to do: | 01:56 |
| gabrbedd | # apt-get install madde | 01:56 |
| Tili | ok i can't get meego-sdk from kernel.org as it complaints about unmet dependency | 01:56 |
| gabrbedd | What dep? | 01:56 |
| Tili | meego-sdk-ia32 | 01:57 |
| Tili | i am using kernel.org repo | 01:57 |
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| Tili | i think someone has to fix the Packages file there in meego repo | 01:58 |
| gabrbedd | First, switch back to repo.meego.com | 01:59 |
| gabrbedd | Then # apt-get update | 01:59 |
| gabrbedd | Then # sudo apt-get install meego-sdk | 01:59 |
| gabrbedd | (doh... not 'sudo') | 01:59 |
| gabrbedd | BTW, the "500" in the policy command is the apt "score". | 02:01 |
| gabrbedd | If another package with the same name has a higher score (like "800"), then it will be installed instead. | 02:01 |
| Tili | amigo, I can't get apt-get update to work with repo.meego.com | 02:02 |
| Tili | because it redirectes Pacakges file to kernel.org | 02:02 |
| Tili | and apt-get doesn't accept redirects. so it fails to get packages list | 02:02 |
| Tili | anyway, | 02:02 |
| Tili | I will go to bed and see if I can contact someone on meego to fix this if it is not fixed when i am back up | 02:03 |
| Tili | thanks for help | 02:03 |
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| gabrbedd | Tili: sorry dude. Odd that it works in Ubuntu but not Debian 5. | 02:05 |
| Tili | yeah it is repo issue | 02:06 |
| thiago | packing done | 02:09 |
| thiago | now going to bed | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: do you have slides? | 02:09 |
| thiago | yes | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | did you brand them for the conf? | 02:10 |
| thiago | I used the conf template | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | um, url? | 02:10 |
| thiago | http://conference2010.meego.com/program <-- left side | 02:10 |
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| tybollt | looolooolooo | 02:12 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 02:13 | |
| thiago | things are at the last place you'd expect: the most obvious one | 02:13 |
| thiago | like the Sign Up link | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i would never have thought to look for a slides template under program | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure where i'd expect to find it | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | probably under a 'presenters' link | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | n.b. I don't make slides often | 02:14 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to extract an image from a slide | 02:15 | |
| thiago | Ctrl+C | 02:15 |
| thiago | anyway, bed time | 02:16 |
| thiago | I *think* I packed everything I need | 02:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | my checklist now has toiletries + shaver highlighted | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (right after passport) | 02:17 |
| thiago | haven't decided if I'll take the shaver | 02:17 |
| thiago | toiletries are packed (I have a second kit for travelling) | 02:18 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Sorry to interrupt toiletries, but MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/13/repodata/repomd.xml.key: import failed. Anyone else having trouble getting 1.1 SDK? | 02:18 |
| thiago | let's see if I won't forget the PJs this time... | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 02:19 |
| berndhs | thiago:just buy everything new at the other end | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Alison_Chaiken: can't that wait a whole week? :) | 02:19 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I bought floss since mine turned out to have only 2 cm left. timeless_mbp, it couldn't wait another week. | 02:19 |
| thiago | anyway, g'night | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | bye thiago | 02:22 |
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| Peijooni | should I have Meego on my eeePC, is the new version of Meego downloadable via packet updating tool? | 02:23 |
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| CosmoHill | you can't upgrade from meego 1.0 to 1.1 | 02:25 |
| CosmoHill | also is your eeePC an Atom processor or celeron? | 02:25 |
| Peijooni | Atom | 02:26 |
| CosmoHill | good | 02:26 |
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| gabrbedd | Tili: I have a Debian/Lenny box at the house and gave it a try... | 02:27 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: And I think I got the same results -- | 02:27 |
| gabrbedd | Tili: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/debian/5.0/Packages 302 Found | 02:28 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I see the problem: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/13/repodata/repomd.xml is actually the key, not an xml file. So that repo is broken. What is the proper procedure to report? (I know, RTFM.) | 02:29 |
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| Tili | gabrbedd: thanks. we need to report this to get it fixed | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Alison_Chaiken: file a bug in bugs.meego.com | 02:45 |
| Alison_Chaiken | timeless_mbp, I just sent a message to meego-sdk mailing list. Should I file a bug as well, or is duplication bad etiquette? | 02:49 |
| CosmoHill | duplications tend to get deleted | 02:50 |
| CosmoHill | better to find the orginal and go +1 | 02:51 |
| CosmoHill | actually some people might not like that | 02:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks for your suggestions, CosmoHill. In the future, bugs@meego is better than meego-sdk? | 02:52 |
| Alison_Chaiken | (Oops, bugs.meego I mean.) | 02:53 |
| CosmoHill | erm I would think so | 02:53 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Very good. I'd like to do the right thing, but there's no suggestion on the SDK page itself beyond mentioning the mailing list. | 02:53 |
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| smithna | Has anyone noticed problems with wifi since 1.1? | 03:15 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone want to watch me create slides? :) | 03:27 |
| GAN900 | See everybody in Dublin. | 03:32 |
| pupnik_ | good travels GAN900 | 03:32 |
| pupnik_ | please share things with us in chat | 03:33 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik_, will do. | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | safe travels | 03:33 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: you could watch me make slides now :) | 03:34 |
| pupnik_ | you have streaming setup on your computer for use when you deliver the lecture? | 03:35 |
| TermanaDesire | Anyone around that's going to the ARM BoF? | 03:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: dunno | 03:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm talking about letting people watch me as i *create* my slides *now* :) | 03:42 |
| timeless_mbp | we've been told that all presentations will be recorded (a/v) | 03:42 |
| TermanaDesire | Some are being live streamed as well | 03:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't think there'd be value in live streaming mine | 03:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not saying i'd object | 03:45 |
| timeless_mbp | just that i don't see value in it | 03:45 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't that good of a speaker | 03:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 03:45 |
| timeless_mbp | my slides drifted "up" | 03:45 |
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| wazd | Heya people :) | 06:48 |
| TermanaDesire | Hey wazd | 06:50 |
| wazd | Passing passport control on my way to Dublin :) | 06:51 |
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| TermanaDesire | wazd: good luck Osama | 06:55 |
| TermanaDesire | ;p | 06:55 |
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| odin_ | ah no... the feds have nabbed him | 06:59 |
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| Stskeeps | zzz | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, sounds good | 08:36 |
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| Termana | morning Stskeeps and lcukn900 | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:50 |
| thiago | Stskeeps: already in Dublin? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | thiago: in hrm, 8 horus or so | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | hours | 09:00 |
| thiago | ah | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | landing 2pm dublin time | 09:00 |
| thiago | that's not 8 hours | 09:01 |
| thiago | that's 7 | 09:01 |
| * thiago will be there in 5½ | 09:01 | |
| thiago | now time for a quick shower | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | then again, i didn't have my coffee yet, so math isn't my strongest side ;) | 09:05 |
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| vilvo | off-by-one, be careful with those | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | hence why i always have coffee before any coding work ;) | 09:07 |
| vilvo | :) | 09:07 |
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| akoimeexx | Jesus, I completely forgot I was still logged in. | 09:16 |
| Termana | akoimeexx, you've been making international internet connections for this period of time - that's going to cost you heaps! | 09:22 |
| Termana | :P ;) | 09:22 |
| * timeless_mbp should figure out when flight is | 09:24 | |
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| akoimeexx | Termana: Greeeeaaat. I'm going to love that bill. :p | 09:30 |
| akoimeexx | News like that deserves a drink. ;) | 09:30 |
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| timoph | hmmh. I might have put incorrect time of arrival to the wiki | 09:35 |
| timoph | I put there 6pm but I think that's only correct if you're on .fi time | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 09:37 |
| Termana | Timezones messing everyone up :P | 09:37 |
| timoph | good the start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :) | 09:38 |
| timoph | s/the/to/ | 09:38 |
| infobot | timoph meant: good to start looking into your flight details when you're on your way to the airport :) | 09:38 |
| * timeless_mbp tries and fails to find a picture of the nokia n81 w/ its web browser open | 09:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | (a picture showing the phone, not just the screen, and the nokia "open" browser, not skyfire [a working browser]...) | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the closest i got was http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8N1Mwu4Gm3U/R-P7WJ8Dv-I/AAAAAAAAAg8/fnYMtUOuP6U/s400/NokiaN784.PNG | 09:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, there's http://realgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/n81/nokia-n81-browsing.jpg ... but that's cropped :( | 09:43 |
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| * thiago downloads the 1.1 netbook image | 09:48 | |
| thiago | 1.9 MB/s | 09:49 |
| thiago | 2.2 :-) | 09:49 |
| akoimeexx | I'm just now writing 1.1 w/Chrome to USB. :p | 09:50 |
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| thiago | chrome can save it to USB? | 09:53 |
| theplic | how do i install the kde plasma netbook interface on meego? | 09:55 |
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| thiago | have we (KDE) created pre-built packages? | 09:56 |
| thiago | if yes, then follow the instructions to add the repostories and install | 09:58 |
| thiago | if not, then you'll need to compile | 09:58 |
| * thiago is now ready to leave to go to the airport | 09:58 | |
| akoimeexx | thiago: No, there's a chrome-based package for the default browser. | 09:59 |
| thiago | akoimeexx: ah, sorry | 09:59 |
| thiago | "w/ Chrome" was a qualifier of "1.1" | 09:59 |
| thiago | not a method of writing | 09:59 |
| akoimeexx | No worries. Unetbootin handily writes it to USB. | 10:00 |
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| thiago | damn ambiguous language, we should bring back the case system | 10:00 |
| thiago | dative vs instrumental | 10:00 |
| thiago | signing off | 10:01 |
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| akoimeexx | Back in a bit. Standard netbook reports not enough memory to boot the MeeGo image. Which is funny, since I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 full install with a standard desktop environment on it. | 10:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | netbooks take more memory, it's in the documentation, on page 1279 | 10:09 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 10:09 |
| theplic | i wasnt able to get the ubuntu netbook remix on mine | 10:13 |
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| panu2 | Hello everybody this is my first time in this is room | 10:16 |
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| akoimeexx | Well, that was an epic fail. It finally loaded into the MeeGo boot list, and then couldn't mount the disk to finish the bootup. Just stuck me in init 1. | 10:18 |
| akoimeexx | I don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin? | 10:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | akoimeexx: that's a bad attitude you've got there | 10:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and given that today is a travel day, you're unlikely to find people in a wonderful mood to deal w/ bad attitudes | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | many of us will have to deal w/ TSA/international equivalents, C&BP/equivalents, Airlines uninterested in actually serving us, etc. | 10:32 |
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| akoimeexx | Not looking for help as yet. Just reporting results. Had no problem with Moblin, under the same environment. I'm poking around at MeeGo right now to try and figure out why it failed like that. | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | akoimeexx: using "where did it go wrong" is something you should only ask yourself privately, or if you feel like pissing off your employees, you could ask those you employ | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's a terrible approach if you're a manager too | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you can do it, since you control the purse-strings, but only stupid managers ask that question (Sadly those exist in spades) | 10:35 |
| akoimeexx | timeless_mbp: You're taking it as I think it's something specific to MeeGo. I don't. | 10:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | note that in #meego and similar settings, you are not in such a position | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | akoimeexx: nope | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd bite your head off just as much if you talked about Maemo 5 in #maemo or Firefox in #firefox | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a bad attitude | 10:36 |
| akoimeexx | Sounds like you're just in a crabby mood then, or is that normal? | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to ask yourself such a question, you need to say it silently, not to the world (irc) | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and then you need to pull out a dev chain, and bisect the problem until you find out where it went wrong | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | I don't like being abused, nor do i approve of people abusing other people | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if I want to be abused, I'd go to work | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | (my coworkers are currently at work being abused) | 10:37 |
| akoimeexx | Sounds like I'm not the one with the bad attitude man. I'm not abusing you, and it really seems like you're just trolling for an argument. | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | (on a Sunday) | 10:38 |
| akoimeexx | And that's just not fair, working on a Sunday. | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | indeed, it isn't, but managers are not fair | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the point is that #meego has developers who work on the product | 10:38 |
| akoimeexx | If you took my previous statement as me copping an attitude, I'm sorry for that. | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't quite an attitude, it's a lack of respect for a team who worked hard on a product | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | (and is still working on it) | 10:39 |
| timeless_mbp | It's like someone asking a Parent where they went wrong in raising a child | 10:39 |
| akoimeexx | I think you took the statement way out of context then. I'm referring to the install on my flash drive. :p | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | [10:18am] <akoimeexx> I don't get it, where did it go wrong from Moblin? | 10:40 |
| akoimeexx | Yeah | 10:40 |
| akoimeexx | I had Moblin on it prior to that. | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the sentence unfortunately stands by itself | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | i was aware of your context | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but it doesn't matter | 10:41 |
| akoimeexx | And with Moblin having connectivity issues on the system, I came to #moblin and found #MeeGo. Long chain of events. | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Basically the question you should ask here is "How do I find out what went wrong" | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Asking "where" makes it sound like the MeeGo project screwed something up while building the next version of MeeGo | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of saying "Hey, I realize something didn't work out correctly on my system, I'd like to understand the technical fault so I could perhaps fix it" | 10:42 |
| akoimeexx | I assume you're one of the guys who works on it. | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | in some way, yes | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but I work with many of them | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | I care more about them than about myself | 10:43 |
| akoimeexx | So you're speaking on their behalf, or what? | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | (and my irc client seems to feel like inserting <enter> randomly) | 10:43 |
| timeless_mbp | I'm asking you to be more careful to try to avoid hurting people's feelings (e.g. them) | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | I don't claim to speak for them, that'd be overstepping :) | 10:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Did my quick analogy to the Parent/Child make sense? | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (I have to pack and catch a flight) | 10:45 |
| * timoph is bored at helsinki-vantaa airport | 10:47 | |
| akoimeexx | I think you're still taking it closer to heart than need be, but I'm not about to argue with you on context and the like. Fact of the matter is you're worried it might offend people contributing to the project by demoralizing them. I'll keep that in mind from now on, but I still think you went overboard there. And there was no asking from your end. | 10:47 |
| akoimeexx | Where you flying to? | 10:47 |
| theplic | what happened? | 10:48 |
| timoph | dublin via copenhagen | 10:48 |
| timoph | I'm here too early.. | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | akoimeexx: most of us are headed to Dublin... | 10:48 |
| akoimeexx | Ah. I gathered something was going on. | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | http://conference2010.meego.com | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | someone could put that in the topic... | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | kinda unfortunate that it isn't | 10:49 |
| timoph | yep. that little thing :) | 10:49 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how to get flight info | 10:50 | |
| akoimeexx | Hadn't heard of it til now.... Nor MeeGo until I logged into #moblin and saw the updated channel. | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oh fsck | 10:50 |
| timoph | :) | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm going to miss my flight | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | it's @12:15pm, and it's 10:50am | 10:50 |
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| akoimeexx | How far do you have to go to catch it? | 10:51 |
| * akoimeexx kills the last bit of Baileys. | 10:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | 40mins | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | where timoph is | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | timoph: got the number for finnish taxi? (helsinki) | 10:51 |
| timoph | not at hand | 10:51 |
| timoph | connected with my n900 | 10:52 |
| akoimeexx | Googling. | 10:52 |
| akoimeexx | 050 326 7373 | 10:53 |
| akoimeexx | Taxi Pekka Lankinen Espoo. | 10:53 |
| timoph | 0100 7777 | 10:53 |
| akoimeexx | Granted, I don't speak finish. | 10:53 |
| akoimeexx | finnish* | 10:54 |
| akoimeexx | Blah. | 10:54 |
| akoimeexx | It's early here. >.o | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | don't worry about that | 10:55 |
| timoph | that number should connect you to the closest available taxi | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it does | 10:55 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
| akoimeexx | Morning. | 10:56 |
| timoph | morning | 10:56 |
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| timoph | good thing I remembered that my flight leaves 1h earlier not the other way round :) | 10:58 |
| timoph | but not I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen | 10:58 |
| akoimeexx | Layovers, Ick. | 10:58 |
| timoph | s/not/now/ | 10:59 |
| infobot | timoph meant: but now I have to kill 2h here.. and another 3h at copenhagen | 10:59 |
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| timeless_xchat | ok, 59 mins to flight, hopefully around 20-25mins from HEL | 11:16 |
| timeless_xchat | is the person who was waiting @hel still going to be there @12pm? | 11:17 |
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| timeless_n900 | he didn't seem to be in http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information | 11:22 |
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| * thiago_osl arrived too early in the airport | 11:24 | |
| thiago_osl | could've slept another 20 minutes in the morning | 11:25 |
| timeless_n900 | thiago : good for you | 11:25 |
| * timeless_n900 is late for another flight | 11:25 | |
| * timeless_n900 is bad w/ time | 11:25 | |
| thiago_osl | timeless_n900: where are you now? | 11:26 |
| timeless_n900 | are you direct? (closed flight list) | 11:26 |
| timeless_n900 | cab 4mins from HEL | 11:26 |
| timeless_n900 | flight @12.15 | 11:26 |
| timeless_n900 | i should be fine | 11:26 |
| timeless_n900 | but it's still stupid :( | 11:27 |
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| timeless_n900 | ok, offline until past security (juggling stuff). back in 20-30. safe journey all | 11:27 |
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| thiago_osl | yes, direct OSL-DUB | 11:30 |
| thiago_osl | he's left | 11:30 |
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| thiago_osl | I think my wireless card is dying | 11:32 |
| akoimeexx | Not good. | 11:32 |
| akoimeexx | What gives you that impression? | 11:32 |
| thiago_osl | Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x2000000. | 11:33 |
| thiago_osl | Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Start IWL Error Log Dump: | 11:34 |
| thiago_osl | Nov 14 10:33:08 doriath kernel: iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: Status: 0x000213E4, count: 5 | 11:34 |
| akoimeexx | Ick. | 11:34 |
| * thiago_osl still has 2 months in his 3-year next-day warranty | 11:34 | |
| thiago_osl | better replace most of the partsnow | 11:34 |
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| akoimeexx | Can you get it replaced when you get back, citing those errors? | 11:35 |
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| thiago_osl | yes | 11:36 |
| thiago_osl | it's been doing that for two weeks now | 11:36 |
| thiago_osl | since the US trip | 11:36 |
| thiago_osl | but it doesn't happen at home | 11:36 |
| akoimeexx | Was there a kernel update? | 11:37 |
| thiago_osl | hmmmm... yes | 11:37 |
| thiago_osl | I rebooted the machine in the US | 11:37 |
| thiago_osl | why did I do that.... | 11:37 |
| thiago_osl | it's usually because it fails to suspend and locks up, but I'm not sure | 11:37 |
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| akoimeexx | At least from googling, it looks like a kernel bug of sorts. | 11:38 |
| thiago_osl | hmm... the first error is logged on Oct 20 | 11:39 |
| thiago_osl | where was I then? | 11:39 |
| akoimeexx | SOme sites report a fix from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1142917 but I'm still looking to see what that was at the moment. | 11:39 |
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| akoimeexx | What kernel are you running? | 11:39 |
| akoimeexx | Rather, what version | 11:39 |
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| thiago_osl | 2.6.35.6 | 11:40 |
| thiago_osl | interesting, this error appears to happen only when openvpn is running | 11:40 |
| thiago_osl | let's shut the VPN down and see what happens | 11:41 |
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| akoimeexx | Could try a microcode update: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=downloads | 11:41 |
| thiago_osl | nope, error now after openvpn is down | 11:42 |
| thiago_osl | let's try the microcode | 11:42 |
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| akoimeexx | Be warned, you're stepping far beyond my realm of knowledge. All I can offer is another set of eyes to analyze. :p | 11:42 |
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| akoimeexx | Welcome back Timeless. | 11:42 |
| timeless_n900 | well, checked in :), in line for security. boarding time is 2mins ago | 11:42 |
| timeless_n900 | thanks :) | 11:43 |
| akoimeexx | Going to make it? | 11:43 |
| thiago_osl | already got the latest firmware | 11:43 |
| timeless_n900 | yeah, flight is 30mins from now | 11:43 |
| akoimeexx | thiago_osl: Dang. :/ | 11:43 |
| akoimeexx | Awesome. | 11:43 |
| timeless_n900 | i'll have time for water and such | 11:43 |
| timeless_n900 | the slow motion security videos here are... | 11:44 |
| timeless_n900 | sureal? | 11:44 |
| timoph | timeless_n900: :) | 11:44 |
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| akoimeexx | Slow motion security videos? | 11:44 |
| timeless_n900 | timoph: still @hel? | 11:44 |
| timoph | shows how to strip your belt, etc | 11:44 |
| timoph | timeless_n900: yep | 11:44 |
| akoimeexx | Oh | 11:44 |
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| timoph | my boaring begins @ 12:25 | 11:45 |
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| timeless_n900 | timoph, i'm two turns of the snake from security @t2 | 11:45 |
| timoph | I'm @ t1 | 11:45 |
| timeless_n900 | you'd have time to walk to t2 if you like | 11:45 |
| akoimeexx | Well, I'm off for the morning. It's almost 5am. x.x Have a good flight guys, and a great time at the conference. | 11:46 |
| timeless_n900 | they're connected on the secure side | 11:46 |
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| timoph | ah | 11:47 |
| timoph | I'll pack my things and take a walk | 11:47 |
| josu | morning | 11:47 |
| timeless_n900 | ok | 11:47 |
| * thiago_osl will try upgrading the kernel | 11:48 | |
| timeless_n900 | thiago, adventurous of you :) | 11:48 |
| timeless_n900 | did you bring a spare laptop? | 11:48 |
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| thiago_osl | no | 11:48 |
| thiago_osl | but I don't erase older kernels | 11:49 |
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| thiago_osl | it's weird that the errors only happen when I'm travelling | 11:50 |
| thiago_osl | but there's a huge correlation between my travelling and my not using of my home wifi... | 11:50 |
| thiago_osl | about 100% correlation | 11:50 |
| timoph | timeless_n900: what gate are you running to? | 11:51 |
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| timoph | 30 to paris? | 11:52 |
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| thiago_osl | wireless isn't very fast | 11:54 |
| timeless_n900 | yes | 11:54 |
| timeless_n900 | just passed through security | 11:55 |
| thiago_osl | also doesn't help that the microcode keeps crashing and slowing down the transfer | 11:55 |
| timeless_n900 | timoph: gate ping | 11:55 |
| thiago_osl | 50 minutes to go on the update, not gonna happen here | 11:55 |
| timeless_n900 | thiago, nice | 11:55 |
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| timoph | timeless_n900: I,m next to 27 | 11:56 |
| timeless_n900 | ok | 11:56 |
| * thiago_osl is next to 57 | 11:56 | |
| thiago_osl | but in a different airport... | 11:56 |
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| thiago_osl | flight is boarding | 11:56 |
| timeless_n900 | ok, we met | 11:56 |
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| timeless_n900 | flight is boarding here too | 11:57 |
| timoph | 2 second meet :) | 11:57 |
| timeless_n900 | thankfully this isn't outside shengen | 11:58 |
| timoph | yep | 11:58 |
| Termana | timeless_n900, timoph - have a safe flight | 11:58 |
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| timeless_n900 | thanks | 12:00 |
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| timeless_n900 | @plane entrance, there's a queue :) | 12:00 |
| timeless_n900 | yay for hanging space. | 12:00 |
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| timeless_n900 | joy, there's a 2mo old baby two seats over | 12:03 |
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| timeless_n900 | hey, timoph? | 12:05 |
| timeless_n900 | can you go into the stockman's shop and pick up two boxes of the green jelly spheres? | 12:05 |
| timeless_n900 | they're at the back near the chocolate candies :) | 12:06 |
| Bostik | "fazerin kuulat" | 12:06 |
| timeless_n900 | yeah, those | 12:07 |
| timeless_n900 | i'll reimburse @meego conference | 12:07 |
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| Myrtti | ewwwwwwww green goo of horror | 12:08 |
| Myrtti | as a kid I used to lick the sugar off, halve them and stick them on a window | 12:08 |
| timeless_n900 | it's my traditional "have a taste of finland" | 12:08 |
| timeless_n900 | the alternative would be salmiyaki (sp) | 12:08 |
| Myrtti | timeless_n900: why not just smack them with a pesäpallo bät | 12:08 |
| timeless_n900 | which i consider cruel | 12:08 |
| Myrtti | bat, even | 12:08 |
| Bostik | a friend had a tour of Finland a couple of years ago, and went back with a huge stash of salmiakki :) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm salmiakki | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | I'd rather give foreign friends some Fazer chocolates, some of those fancypancy ones with Finnish berry fillings | 12:09 |
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| Myrtti | green goo of horror is too cruel | 12:10 |
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| timeless_n900 | myrtti, i do that for friends | 12:10 |
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| timeless_n900 | but in a hurry, chocolate doesn't quite survive and it doesn't scale | 12:11 |
| timeless_n900 | the balls work well for large groups | 12:11 |
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| timeless_n900 | wiffle ball? | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | Finnish baseball | 12:11 |
| timeless_n900 | bah | 12:12 |
| Bostik | how about a good compromise? http://www.flickr.com/photos/anttia/691757579/ | 12:12 |
| Bostik | that's delicious | 12:12 |
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| timeless_n900 | no! | 12:12 |
| timeless_n900 | but feel free to bring your own | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | re | 12:13 |
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| timeless_n900 | i'll only reimburse for the green things | 12:13 |
| timeless_n900 | jaffa: geoping | 12:13 |
| timeless_n900 | 2mins to flight | 12:13 |
| timeless_n900 | if someone is going to buy, please indicate to channel so i don't end up reimbursing n times | 12:14 |
| timeless_n900 | phones off | 12:14 |
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| timeless_n900 | i'll touch down and charge @cdg in a few hours | 12:14 |
| timeless_n900 | oh, and i don't know my hotel info | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | timeless_n900: Dublin. Ballbridge ballroom for "Introduction to Qt" | 12:14 |
| * Myrtti smacks the Linux Spotify client with a baseball bat | 12:14 | |
| timeless_n900 | ... can someone investigate pay-as-you-go sims | 12:14 |
| timeless_n900 | bye | 12:15 |
| Jaffa | timeless_n900: Someone did. O2, IIRC | 12:15 |
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| tekojo | timeless_n900: available from the airport | 12:15 |
| tekojo | sasha had some problem with data on the pay as you go | 12:15 |
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| Termana | looks like we're about to go dead for the night again with everyone boarding planes :p | 12:21 |
| Termana | Just turn your N900s on in the plane - no one will know! :P | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | theres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus | 12:30 |
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| Stskeeps | boarding, bbl | 12:33 |
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| theplic | have fun | 12:37 |
| merge | please record some sessions is Dublin for us to watch :) | 12:40 |
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| Jaffa | merge: They're going to be streamed live and videos provided. | 12:42 |
| merge | oh nice, I missed that | 12:43 |
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| Myrtti | boring people in Dublin :-< | 14:49 |
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| sivang | is there a channel for the conf? | 15:08 |
| CosmoHill | no but there are some nice sofas | 15:09 |
| odinm | yay at dublin airport on way into town | 15:11 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: thanks, I'll munch that and sulk at home | 15:11 |
| odinm | nice bright OVI store 6 poster advert plastered all over airport | 15:12 |
| odinm | is the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn which I guess is Landsdown Rd area? | 15:16 |
| sivang | odinm: I just wish there was some place to get those preparid 3D data sim cards | 15:20 |
| sivang | 3G data , even | 15:20 |
| sivang | :) | 15:20 |
| sivang | 3D would be too much | 15:20 |
| sivang | Myrtti: the hotel room is really nice, and has a useful heating AC | 15:21 |
| sivang | Myrtti: :) | 15:21 |
| * sivang broke down and turned it on | 15:21 | |
| sivang | the cld is here something different | 15:21 |
| sivang | ah, so it si 4c , I stood up until it fell to 4c, not bad I guess | 15:21 |
| sivang | I also forgt to bring any warm clothing | 15:22 |
| sivang | well, not forgot, I have some very light ones. guess it'll suffice for no lower than 0c | 15:23 |
| odinm | drink beer to keep warm :p | 15:23 |
| sivang | odinm: I will :) | 15:24 |
| odinm | oooo going into a tunnel now ......ASD^....n | 15:25 |
| odinm | NO CARRIER | 15:25 |
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| odinm | is the meetup point Ballsbridge Inn anyone have GPS ref :) | 16:18 |
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| CosmoHill | hey tekojo | 16:19 |
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| CosmoHill | are you in dublin? | 16:19 |
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| tekojo_ | sorry, exceeding flaky hotel wlan :) | 16:21 |
| odinm | yep at hotel grand canal area i hope there is plentiful interweb access there? | 16:21 |
| tekojo_ | CosmoHill: sure, in a meeting room with all the other IT people | 16:21 |
| sivang | tekojo_: wlan is SOO flaky | 16:21 |
| CosmoHill | I think odinm would like to know where that is | 16:21 |
| odinm | pass the GPS dox :) | 16:22 |
| tekojo_ | D4 Berkeley hotel | 16:22 |
| * odinm walk in the direction of the stadium | 16:22 | |
| tekojo_ | odinm: where are you? | 16:23 |
| tekojo_ | early birds event is at D4 Ballsbridge, that is pretty easy to find | 16:23 |
| odinm | yep at hotel grand canal area ~500m away apparently but need to walk in the right rdirection | 16:23 |
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| npm | where are the recorded or live streams for the dublin conference?? | 16:24 |
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| tekojo | npm: nowhere yet, they'll come once the actual conference starts | 16:24 |
| tekojo | follow the schedule at the conference site for the links | 16:24 |
| npm | i was looking for the link from the conf site | 16:25 |
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| npm | doh http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule (didn't see the links) | 16:26 |
| CosmoHill | how many of you are giving presentations tomorrow? | 16:28 |
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| CosmoHill | oh god I wish I didn't just look up how much my presentation is worth | 16:29 |
| npm | so if i miss a presentation because it's happening at 3AM california time, will there be links to recorded sessions after the fact? | 16:29 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone seen wazd? | 16:41 |
| tekojo | npm: yes | 16:41 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps: not on irc for obvious reasons | 16:41 |
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| NooBmonk3y | CosmoHill, is worth? | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | It's a big part of my grade | 16:43 |
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| NooBmonk3y | oh lol | 16:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | good luck! | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | merci | 16:46 |
| sjokkis | anyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages? | 16:47 |
| sjokkis | there was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me | 16:47 |
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| sjokkis | speak of the devil | 16:48 |
| sjokkis | DawnFoster: | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | if wazd comes by, we went with aircoach oach | 16:48 |
| sjokkis | [15:47] < sjokkis> anyone know who to talk to about those conference welcome packages? | 16:48 |
| sjokkis | [15:47] < sjokkis> there was one for my roommate when i checked in, but not for me | 16:48 |
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| * Myrtti goes to bed to sulk | 16:49 | |
| CosmoHill | aww | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | sup? | 16:49 |
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| tekojo | Stskeeps: wazd will be here around 4-5 pm, he's apparently stuck at an airport | 17:01 |
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| odinm | in the Bob Spencer run early bird room yay | 17:01 |
| * NooBmonk3y wants to be there :( | 17:01 | |
| v_zaitsev | me too | 17:01 |
| v_zaitsev | meaning i am heere | 17:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 17:03 |
| CosmoHill | I'm nextdoor...in England | 17:04 |
| * NooBmonk3y is in england too :) | 17:06 | |
| NooBmonk3y | south coast :) | 17:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | so a bit of a run to get to dublin, with a small swim in between :P | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | for me it would be a replacement bus service and a scary plane trip | 17:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe | 17:09 |
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| odinm | row row row you boat ... | 17:16 |
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| tsdgeos | does anyone know if we have a special channel for meego-conference discussion? | 17:22 |
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| odinm | dont think so | 17:26 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: is there a specific IRC channel for the dublin conference? | 17:43 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: we're just using this one for the conference | 17:44 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 17:44 |
| * CosmoHill goes to stock up on imaginary tea and biscuits | 17:44 | |
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| CosmoHill | dammit, why can I only work / focus well when there isn't much time until the deadline | 17:48 |
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| odinm | Hmmm but.... there is real beer to be had :P | 17:49 |
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| odinm | there is also streaming of the main room schedule (according to the infos) | 17:53 |
| CosmoHill | will the recordings be aviable later? for those of us asleep or at work? | 17:53 |
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| tekojo | CosmoHill: yes, I recall someone saying so | 17:55 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: are you in dublin atm? | 17:59 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: I am! I got here yesterday morning | 17:59 |
| CosmoHill | that might explain why you keep joining and disconnecting :p | 18:00 |
| v_zaitsev | haha indeed, crapwlan | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | did anyone get a 3G connection? | 18:01 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: actually, I keep shutting down & switching rooms :) | 18:01 |
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| osx5 | hello | 18:11 |
| osx5 | I was wondering how do you update yum in order to download irssi, elinks, all that fun stuff. or is there another way to get them | 18:11 |
| CosmoHill | yum update? | 18:12 |
| CosmoHill | if you're on Meego you should use "zypper" instead of "yum" | 18:12 |
| osx5 | didn't work | 18:12 |
| osx5 | cosmohill: i have no idea how to use zypper | 18:13 |
| osx5 | is it easy | 18:13 |
| CosmoHill | zypper update | 18:13 |
| osx5 | k | 18:13 |
| RST38h | zypper --help ? | 18:13 |
| osx5 | RST38h: i'm a newb | 18:13 |
| CosmoHill | man zypper | 18:13 |
| RST38h | You cannot type dashes? | 18:13 |
| berndhs | osx5:zypper is a lot like yum | 18:13 |
| osx5 | i think meego is great so far | 18:13 |
| CosmoHill | I'm guessing you're a mac user and that you've not used terminal very much | 18:13 |
| osx5 | cool how you can switch the windows with alt tab | 18:14 |
| osx5 | cosmohill: I know the basics because of the mac os | 18:14 |
| osx5 | sparked my interest in linux | 18:14 |
| osx5 | my only issue on meego is getting WPA to work, that's been it | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | man <command> is very helpful, it gives you the manual page for whatever command you want, just press "q" to quit | 18:14 |
| osx5 | k | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | also <command> -- help | 18:15 |
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| osx5 | what is zypper basedo n? | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | s/-- /--/ | 18:15 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: also <command> --help | 18:15 |
| osx5 | I know yum is redhat | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | I don't think it's based on anything | 18:15 |
| osx5 | do any of you have issues with WPA on wifi? i dunno if my router just doesn't like meego or it is a bug | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | it's just an alternative package management system for RPM packages | 18:16 |
| osx5 | I'm plugged in right now | 18:16 |
| osx5 | ah | 18:16 |
| * tekojo now goes off to find the community In Real Life | 18:16 | |
| CosmoHill | tekojo: take pictures! | 18:16 |
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| tekojo | ... and post to Twitter, yes | 18:16 |
| osx5 | hm odd | 18:16 |
| osx5 | zypper can't install irssi, says not found | 18:17 |
| osx5 | yum same deal | 18:17 |
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| CosmoHill | hold on a second, I'll check something | 18:17 |
| osx5 | k | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | you're on a netbook right? | 18:18 |
| osx5 | ye | 18:18 |
| osx5 | yep | 18:18 |
| osx5 | toshiba nb255 | 18:18 |
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| CosmoHill | okay there is no irssi package | 18:19 |
| osx5 | so i gotta compile it then? | 18:19 |
| osx5 | what about elinks? | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | yes, I think there is an IRC client on there somewhere | 18:19 |
| osx5 | same deal? | 18:19 |
| osx5 | k | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | no elinks either. both are command line programs | 18:19 |
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| CosmoHill | command line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at | 18:20 |
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| CosmoHill | command line programs are normally for power users which MeeGo isn't aimed at | 18:20 |
| osx5 | blah back | 18:20 |
| CosmoHill | you might also like the "zypper search" command | 18:21 |
| osx5 | cosmohill: yeah but it should at least give you the option to install them | 18:21 |
| osx5 | it is linux after all | 18:21 |
| osx5 | :) | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | it doesn't have to be in a package for you to install it | 18:21 |
| osx5 | eh just makes life easier | 18:21 |
| CosmoHill | hehe, you want to make life easier by installing command line programs :p | 18:22 |
| osx5 | lol | 18:22 |
| osx5 | yeah | 18:22 |
| osx5 | well the thing I noticed about meego is that they don't let you switch WM easily | 18:22 |
| osx5 | I installed the xfce packages, but no go? | 18:22 |
| npm | osx5: you could install irssi from fedora13 using "meegolem" http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-community@meego.com/msg01758.html | 18:23 |
| npm | ^^^ (a hack, and i haven't tried it out w/ meego 1.1 yet) | 18:23 |
| osx5 | k | 18:23 |
| osx5 | i'll give it a look | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | I wasn't even aware that you can use XFCE on MeeGo | 18:24 |
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| osx5 | there are packages in the gui package manager | 18:24 |
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| osx5 | cosmohill: I'm a bit surprised they didn't at least have some of these packages in the package manager to begin with, considering how large the two companies are supporting the project | 18:30 |
| osx5 | but I guess most users won't really care | 18:30 |
| * npm how did a hack turn into a "project" -- http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/12233_Linux_Foundation_rules_against.php -- "The MeeGolem project which is an interpretation of the MeeGo user experience built upon the Fedora Linux distribution." | 18:32 | |
| osx5 | taht is pretty cool | 18:33 |
| RST38h | People made projects of much less substance. And this one is at least useful. | 18:34 |
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| npm | but a "project" implies someone is working on it :-) .. i just wanted some programs on meego w/o compiling a million libraries | 18:36 |
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| osx5 | yeah | 18:38 |
| osx5 | thats going to be a flaw with this distro | 18:38 |
| osx5 | they have to expect that power users will want to try it out at lest | 18:38 |
| osx5 | least* | 18:38 |
| osx5 | npm: your nick looks familiar, are you in a lot of linux channels? | 18:38 |
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| CosmoHill | RST38h: was power users 1 or 2 in your list? | 18:44 |
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| osx5 | npm: you around? | 18:46 |
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| CosmoHill | Nov 11 17:50:26 <RST38h> ShadowJK: like 1) linux core hackers 2) application developers 3) maemo/meego power users with linux experience | 18:48 |
| CosmoHill | 4) smartphone powerusers (generally with android/symbian/ios experience) and 5) complete newbees | 18:48 |
| CosmoHill | hmm, not sure where you would go osx5 on that | 18:48 |
| osx5 | between 3&4 | 18:49 |
| osx5 | symbian is dead basically from what I have read | 18:49 |
| osx5 | which is a shame | 18:49 |
| CosmoHill | I think I would be an inexperienced number 1 | 18:49 |
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| CosmoHill | or maybe 3, but only the core stuff | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | Cosmo: I think there were | 18:50 |
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| odinm | linky? re symbian is dead | 18:51 |
| osx5 | odinm: just google symbian is dead or meego will replace symbian | 18:51 |
| osx5 | you'll find plenty | 18:51 |
| osx5 | noki claims they will keep developing symbian but most people believe meego is the future | 18:51 |
| RST38h | afaik nobody is replacing symbian so far | 18:52 |
| osx5 | are there a lot of apps for that platform? never used it | 18:52 |
| odinm | well there is dead and there is dying | 18:52 |
| RST38h | there is also undead, odinm | 18:52 |
| osx5 | thinking about going with straight talk, they only offer symbian 9.3 phones for smartphonesw | 18:52 |
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| osx5 | I have an android phone but i hate paying $70 a month for it | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | "Symbian 9.3" is a silly version number. don't look at that | 18:53 |
| osx5 | k | 18:53 |
| odinm | if you google for almost anything can find it, so you mclaim is somewhat worthless since we can evaulate authenticity | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | You want to look for "Symbian^3" or "Series 60 3rd edition feature pack 2" | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | or fifth edition for touchscreen devices | 18:54 |
| odinm | hey Symbian^4.1 is a silly name for it | 18:54 |
| osx5 | odinm: it is mostly opinion, but people think meego will replace it | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | in the high-end maybe | 18:54 |
| odinm | well of course especially in here ! | 18:55 |
| osx5 | lol | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | like the 500-1000 dollar | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | range | 18:55 |
| osx5 | i mean in smartphone forums/ blogs /articles | 18:55 |
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| odinm | go to #wp7 and ask them if win phone 7 is the future | 18:55 |
| osx5 | LOL | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | But will probably stay in 150-600 range for awhile | 18:55 |
| osx5 | odinm: i'm not trashing symbian, i'm thinking about buying a device with it, the 6790 | 18:55 |
| pexi | e72 is great | 18:56 |
| osx5 | I don't want to join another platform that is dying though like the pre | 18:56 |
| RST38h | osx5: Obligatory question #1: Are you an Apple products user? | 18:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 18:56 |
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| odinm | no but i dont think it is dead, just dying, and yes meego is the future and will ultimately replace it but it looks like | 18:56 |
| osx5 | RST38h: yes but I got rid of my iphone a while ago, and I don't use OSX anymore on a regular basis | 18:57 |
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| odinm | there is another few years of work todo yet | 18:57 |
| osx5 | I know what he is trying to say by asking me that lol | 18:57 |
| RST38h | osx5: Ok, good | 18:57 |
| RST38h | osx5: So, 6790 is a bad choice of a phone | 18:57 |
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| osx5 | RST38h: that and the E71 are what straight talk offer | 18:57 |
| RST38h | osx5: Two majorproblems: 1) screen too small,320x240 2) no Wifi | 18:57 |
| osx5 | I'm on sprint right now | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | a programmers view of symbian: stoneage tools, stoneage compiler, very strange API, and not even a proper working standard C lib | 18:57 |
| RST38h | osx5: Go with the E71, it is a nice little phone | 18:57 |
| osx5 | k | 18:57 |
| osx5 | RST38h: If I had AT&T i'd get the E72 | 18:58 |
| osx5 | but they rip people off on their data plans imo | 18:58 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh, looks like you have missed the latest crop of aticles from Symbian devs | 18:58 |
| RST38h | osx5: E71,definitely | 18:58 |
| osx5 | k | 18:58 |
| RST38h | osx5: If they offer any S60e5 phones, go with the 5800 | 18:58 |
| osx5 | they don't yet | 18:58 |
| osx5 | they just introduced smart phones with the e71 and 6790 | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well whatever they say about QT and whatever, it doesn't apply to 6790 and E7x, because those will never be updated with it | 18:58 |
| osx5 | for $45 a month unlimited, its a pretty good deal | 18:59 |
| osx5 | runs on verizon | 18:59 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh, I do not mean that. Lemme find you an URL. If you have eaten recently, you may want to wait reading it though | 18:59 |
| osx5 | yeah shadow, that kind of sucks they won't run it | 18:59 |
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| ShadowJK | though you can get python on them, that makes it possible to write your own basic apps. Like for transfering files over wifi... | 18:59 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/symbian_utopia_lost/ | 19:00 |
| osx5 | RST38h: most of the nok phones in america are not well known or popular anymore, because of apple and google | 19:00 |
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| osx5 | comes across as if they gave up on North American marketing for their devices | 19:00 |
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| osx5 | and meego is being touted which is nice, gets some recognition in the press | 19:00 |
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| osx5 | I wish nok made more CDMA devices | 19:01 |
| RST38h | Nokia makes CDMA devices. | 19:01 |
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| osx5 | RST38h: not for sprint | 19:02 |
| RST38h | (although you wouldn't want to use them) | 19:02 |
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| osx5 | sprint won't activate any phone without their branding on it, which is lame | 19:02 |
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| osx5 | RST38h: Its either the E71 or my other option really is to go back to AT&T and just buy an unlocked E72x and put the sim card in it, problem is the cost would be like $90 a month | 19:03 |
| osx5 | it'll be great when meego is on affordable devices one day | 19:03 |
| CosmoHill | osx5: ah you're american | 19:04 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:And, soon to become classic, another confirmation of the diagnosis: http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/ | 19:04 |
| osx5 | Cosmohill: yeah I'm an evil american lol | 19:04 |
| CosmoHill | I'd jab you with a pitchfork but over here we use tractors | 19:04 |
| osx5 | lol | 19:04 |
| osx5 | Cosmohill: I envy europe, you guys get better choices for cell devices | 19:05 |
| osx5 | and nok is big over there | 19:05 |
| RST38h | osx5: Man, I am not even getting subsidized phones, prefer to buy them properly, so cannot empathize with you, sorry :) | 19:05 |
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| osx5 | RST38h: what do you mean buy them properly lol | 19:06 |
| osx5 | RST38h: I'll probably end up goign with the E71 so I can save money monthly , but we'll see | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | Buy them properly = dont buy them from the operator | 19:06 |
| RST38h | osx5: I got to a store, or an online retailer, pay the whole price of the phone, and get it | 19:06 |
| osx5 | RST38h: I would be doing that with the E71 | 19:07 |
| RST38h | osx5: I then pay $10-$20 a month for cellular service, data included | 19:07 |
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| osx5 | Straight talk is a prepaid service that runs on verizon's network | 19:07 |
| osx5 | RST38h: how do you do that | 19:07 |
| osx5 | where are you living at? | 19:07 |
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| ShadowJK | I actually bought my E75 with operator subsidy.. however, the store was out of locked devices so it was the uncrippled proper version :-) | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | I get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim car :) | 19:07 |
| CosmoHill | s/car/card/ | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | (operators like to cripple phones) | 19:07 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: I get my dad's old O2 phones which are unlocked so I just put in my Vodafone sim card :) | 19:07 |
| RST38h | osx5: I do that by inserting a 1000 ruble bill into a machine in our appartment complex lobby, every 2months | 19:07 |
| * RST38h cackles | 19:08 | |
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| CosmoHill | my friend has two high end nokias that he never bought | 19:08 |
| osx5 | RST38h: I would like to see meego compete with iOS and android in the US, but nok doesn't care anymore about NA | 19:08 |
| CosmoHill | no idea what's happening to them | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | I have month by month contract. They send a bill when I've accumulated 25Euro use or so | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | oh it's easy to compete with iOS, "oh look, I'm using bluetooth on a computer without itunes!" | 19:09 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Even better. In my case, the phone just loses the network. | 19:09 |
| osx5 | Shadow they like to lock people in in the USA | 19:09 |
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| osx5 | 2 year contracts | 19:09 |
| RST38h | We all know that, osx5 | 19:09 |
| * CosmoHill is on pay as you go | 19:09 | |
| ShadowJK | I dont have prepaid, I have postpaid :P | 19:09 |
| osx5 | RST38h: my mistake | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | did you know, the iphone is the only phone in china you can get on contract | 19:09 |
| CosmoHill | all other phones are pay as you go | 19:10 |
| osx5 | pay as you go is just starting to get popular here | 19:10 |
| Mat_Matan | hi | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | Apparently they call and ask wtf and ask for collateral from my class of consumer if I'd go over 500Eur in a short time | 19:10 |
| pupnik | it's very interesting how these markets differ. is it because of the culture, or the legislation? | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | contracts were illegal here until a few years ago | 19:11 |
| osx5 | pupnik: capitalism vs socialism is really what it comes down to in some peoples minds , in my opinion its just companies being greedy | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | pupnik: both, the iphone is a legal expection to the law | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | well, the "coupling" was. If a phone was offered for X, then by law you had to be able to buy that phone unlocked for the advertised X. | 19:11 |
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| osx5 | Apple essentially killed off Nok in the USA | 19:12 |
| * pixelgeek wonders if Dawn's running the werewolf game down in the Early bird area in a bit... | 19:12 | |
| ShadowJK | And contracts always had 1-month notice if you wanted to change, no 12 or 24 month contracts | 19:12 |
| osx5 | yeah i'm locked in a 24 month | 19:12 |
| osx5 | I have to pay $90 to cancel it | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | Competition (what makes capitalism work) worked better when customers could seamlessly switch from one operator to another with one month's notice :P | 19:13 |
| osx5 | android will be king here soon, i've seen at least 5 devices per carrier so far , only growing | 19:13 |
| osx5 | RST38h: did you have a E71? | 19:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: it is because of AT&T | 19:14 |
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| CosmoHill | In the UK the operator has to unlock any phone over a year old for free, under a year and they can charge a fee for it | 19:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: which pretty much monopolized US phone networks, for years | 19:14 |
| CosmoHill | but some operators don't lock contract phones | 19:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: If I understand correctly,most EU phone networks originally belonged to governments,OR were heavily regulated | 19:15 |
| RST38h | osx5: no | 19:15 |
| osx5 | its so ironic, in socialist europe you have more freedom for cell devices than we have here in the us | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | I think O2 belonged to BT which was government owned | 19:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: + US consumers are sheep, sorry | 19:15 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i see that last point | 19:15 |
| osx5 | RST38h: Are there a lot of apps for S60/ 9,3? | 19:15 |
| CosmoHill | on a side note, 147% of eastern Europeans have a mobile phone | 19:15 |
| Myrtti | what socialist europe? | 19:16 |
| osx5 | Myrtti: lol | 19:16 |
| CosmoHill | i think the nearest communist country is china | 19:16 |
| * Myrtti has lately seen a steep turn to right, and besides this isn't a place for discussing politics | 19:17 | |
| RST38h | and even that is no longer entirely correct | 19:17 |
| osx5 | myrtti: basically every "democracy" over in europe is a socialist state , Sweden is a great example. The govt. takes 60% of income from people | 19:17 |
| osx5 | yeah | 19:17 |
| osx5 | back to meego and such | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: i think he means relatively speaking | 19:17 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: right... | 19:17 |
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| CosmoHill | not that any European has negative views of america | 19:18 |
| osx5 | RST38h: I never had a S60 device so this will be fun, of course its not touch screen but I can live with that. I think touch is somewhat overated, with meego it wn't be though | 19:18 |
| * CosmoHill will be quiet and look for the undo button | 19:18 | |
| osx5 | lol | 19:18 |
| Myrtti | what's s60/9,3? | 19:18 |
| Myrtti | never heard of such thing | 19:19 |
| osx5 | symbian | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: He means S60e3 | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: Nokia 6220 Classic | 19:19 |
| Myrtti | right | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | (as one example) | 19:19 |
| osx5 | forgive my newbness on nok devices, in america they are pretty much scarce now | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, in .fi originally the country was divided into areas, each area "belonging" to a certain operator. this was for landlines. In exchange for this monopoly they were regulated, and obliged by law to deliver a landline to anyone who wanted one. In GSM age the numerous phone companies became 3 gsm network operators, one of which was formerly government. There's still regulation on how much they charge eachother. The bigger operator has to charge less f | 19:19 |
| RST38h | we have got that already | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | rom the smaller operator than smaller from big. It makes sure that the big operators dont use market force to freeze out the competition | 19:19 |
| CosmoHill | I think in the EU there's now caps on roaming charges | 19:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: In 2000 US, AT&T still *lended* thousands of landline phones to people at $60..$90/month | 19:20 |
| CosmoHill | holy crap | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | that's a lot | 19:21 |
| osx5 | yeah | 19:21 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: [so I hope you get the idea] | 19:21 |
| osx5 | for an iphone in the USA it costs about $120 am onth or more | 19:21 |
| osx5 | depending on the plan | 19:21 |
| CosmoHill | here's it's £11.99 per land line, (virgin or BT) | 19:21 |
| Myrtti | I can't name one Finn in my close ackquaintance that still has a landline | 19:22 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: how do you get your broadband? | 19:22 |
| osx5 | RST38h: I just want to know will it be a good experience with the E71? I just want to be able to check my email, browse the web if i need to, chat , and thats about it. I don't need a ton of apps, but its nice to have the option | 19:22 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: In USSR, phone networks were basically managed by the commutator nodes in the nearest big city | 19:22 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: without a landline contract | 19:22 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: These nodes have become local telecoms, as USSRcollapsed | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | you dont need to keep landline phone service in order to get adsl. They are decoupled | 19:23 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: the copper is there, but landline contract isn't mandatory | 19:23 |
| CosmoHill | ah i see | 19:23 |
| CosmoHill | to me a land line is a cable connected to your house | 19:23 |
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| CosmoHill | it can be for data only I think | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, and then the mafia showed up and "offered" to buy the company for 10 kopek? | 19:23 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: in UK? I doubt it | 19:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Depends | 19:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Don't discount the business skills of the soviet directors | 19:24 |
| osx5 | be back in a few | 19:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Just saw a documentary on tv, there's apparently a concept called "legit criminals" :-) | 19:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Half the time the mafia itself ended up dead, in a nearest forest | 19:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:Occupational risks. | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah one of the bosses were saying it was like a civil war | 19:25 |
| CosmoHill | Random fact: Russia has the 4th highest amount of mobile phones | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | "We are humane. The people we gave concrete shoes and dropped into the ocean were dead first" | 19:25 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Yea, 90s were tough here | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | I'll have fiber soon :-) | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | ish | 19:26 |
| * RST38h has fiber | 19:26 | |
| CosmoHill | cool, we have to wait until march to get fiber | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | too far for adsl, but new fiber dug into ground | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | even then that's only to the cabinet | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | to the home here | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | our internet is poop | 19:27 |
| RST38h | Well, it ends up somewhere at the roof here | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | 2.5MB/s ish | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | I have 1Mbit/s wimax | 19:27 |
| RST38h | The in-building wiring is standard 100BTX | 19:27 |
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| ShadowJK | and 5Mbit 3g on n900 when the weather is right and my n900 is within the 1 square meter of space where signal happens to be strong :-) | 19:28 |
| CosmoHill | my friend redid his internal wiring with CAT5 | 19:28 |
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| CosmoHill | awesome, my friend used to have a 3G dongle taped to his window | 19:28 |
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| * RST38h had E70 taped to a window, with N810 doing the browsing | 19:29 | |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, for appartment buildings we're also doing fiber to every customer, one strand of fibre per customer, all the way to the switch :-) | 19:29 |
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| CosmoHill | at uni we got 60Mbit/s download and 30Mbit/s upload :) | 19:30 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Would be too expensive to maintain here, too many appartments | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | Using bendbrite fiber indoors for appartment buildings. It's thinner than electrical cable, and can be bent freely without too much loss | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | I heard that fibre is now cheaper than copper | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | and people don't even use their phone line for anything anymore, so you can just tie the fiber to the phone line and go pull in the customer's flat :-) | 19:31 |
| RST38h | heh | 19:31 |
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| Myrtti | I wouldn't be surprised if the suburb I live in would have been one of the first suburbs in the country to get faster ADSL connections | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | we're on ADSL2+ here. the only difference I've notice between that as ADSL is that it drops the connection more | 19:32 |
| Myrtti | then again, I quite often wonder when I go shopping when is someone going to stop me at Alko queue and ask "Are you Myrtti" | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | has that happened? | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | I hate it when I meet people I know at Alko | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | Alko? | 19:34 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: state monopoly offlicence | 19:34 |
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| Myrtti | ShadowJK: not yet, I wouldn't mind, but it does add a weird extra layer of paranoia in grocery shopping | 19:36 |
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| CosmoHill | it's not that uncommon to run into people I went to school with in shops | 19:36 |
| odinm | playing "warewolf" with Dawn | 19:37 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: I'm not from Hervanta ;-) | 19:37 |
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| sivang | re | 20:03 |
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| jnwi | anyone know what number texrat is using in Dublin? | 20:15 |
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| NooBmonk3y | 118 118 | 20:16 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:17 |
| jnwi | is that some kind of lookup number? Won't help :( | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | it was a joke, but yes it's a services directory | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | and sorry, no idea | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | ask for pancake recipie | 20:19 |
| jnwi | ok, thanks | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol ShadowJK | 20:19 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: y | 20:22 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: in the room? | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 20:22 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ah | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | geoping | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | where are you? :) | 20:22 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: downstairs, will appreciate if you can come and meet me and help me continue molding my braindump to the rest of the slides :) | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 20:23 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: Idoing well, but slow | 20:23 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: also, network upstairs does not really flu | 20:23 |
| sivang | or has, a flu at bes | 20:23 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme open my slide pairs here | 20:23 |
| sivang | :\) | 20:23 |
| sivang | just get your mbp down | 20:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 20:23 |
| sivang | A friend from trolltech is here from Norway and we are having cider and hunnes | 20:23 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: are you okay after the travel? | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, down in 1min | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 20:24 |
| timeless_mbp | does the wifi stuff work on multiple devices | 20:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | or do you need to log off? | 20:24 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: yes | 20:24 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: you just need to log on on each one | 20:24 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: and it will save the damn cookie | 20:24 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: clearing the cachje does not hel;p to rejuvinte | 20:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 20:25 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I am at the library lopunge | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i seem to have activated twice | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, heading down | 20:25 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: no supposed to be a problem | 20:25 |
| sivang | library lounge | 20:25 |
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| djszapi | How can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode. | 20:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you eat? | 20:28 |
| timeless_mbp | use the on screen toolbar | 20:28 |
| djszapi | well, I have got another Nokia prototype, but with the same keypad, I guess and I would like to know how can I leave the editing mode in vim. | 20:29 |
| djszapi | * vi | 20:29 |
| djszapi | like ctrl+i -> tab and so on. | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ctrl+[ -> esc; though that won't help I guess | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | <timeless_mbp> use the on screen toolbar | 20:31 |
| djszapi | what does that mean ? | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you're using X Terminal, right? | 20:32 |
| djszapi | no | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a toolbar at the bottom of the window... | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you *aren't* using X Terminal? | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | why not? | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | what else? | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | what *are* you using? | 20:33 |
| djszapi | qonsole, that is why I asked keypad solution, like 'tab' character. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | O.O | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf is qonsole? | 20:35 |
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| djszapi | does not really matter, but if you are really interested in that, google is your friend. | 20:36 |
| djszapi | but that is another question for now. | 20:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | djszapi: you probably need to hack Qonsole or something :( | 20:41 |
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| djszapi | nop | 20:41 |
| djszapi | ^C works fine, ty. | 20:41 |
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| djszapi | Can I jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ? | 20:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 20:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | how was the MeeGo conference? | 20:55 |
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| erani | how was? it ain't even started yet O.o | 21:10 |
| erani | http://conference2010.meego.com/ | 21:10 |
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| djszapi | yes, silly question :) | 21:10 |
| jacekowski | ~seen ali1234 | 21:15 |
| infobot | ali1234 <~ajb@robotfuzz.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 5h 5m 59s ago, saying: 'Qt mobility is supposed to get rolled into Qt eventually anyway'. | 21:15 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: Reading fc win this we ? | 21:24 |
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| CosmoHill | 3 all against Norwich | 21:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, you at the conf? | 21:43 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50017 | 21:48 |
| w00t_ | hellooooo meegoians | 21:49 |
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| jnwi | woot, me too, are you hungry? | 21:49 |
| w00t_ | we ate at the airport (as we hadn't lunch), so not hugely but a bit yeah | 21:51 |
| w00t_ | where you at? | 21:51 |
| jnwi | D4 Ballsbridge Inn | 21:51 |
| jnwi | in my room | 21:51 |
| jnwi | you? | 21:51 |
| odinm | battery dying | 21:52 |
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| CosmoHill | I wonder how many people got to their room, went to plug in their laptop and then had to rush out and by an adapter | 21:53 |
| CosmoHill | bye* | 21:53 |
| jnwi | oh crap, I forgot to bring my adapter | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | see | 21:54 |
| jnwi | yeah | 21:54 |
| jnwi | thanks for making me notice at 70%, though ;) | 21:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | Hi w00t_ | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | np | 21:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | enjoy dunlin :) | 21:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | dublin even | 21:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm sure dunlin is lovely wherever it may be | 21:55 |
| CosmoHill | jnwi: any shops open? Shops here close at 4pm normally | 21:55 |
| jnwi | there's a shop inside the hotel | 21:55 |
| jnwi | Will have to go see if they sell them | 21:56 |
| jnwi | they were open at least 20min ago | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | you could always do what I've seen some do and force the plug into the socket but I wouldn't advise that | 21:56 |
| jnwi | probably not a good idea | 21:56 |
| CosmoHill | I just thought, I'd get to see and speak to people on IRC who I've never spoken to because of the time difference | 21:56 |
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| jnwi | woot, so are you going to get food? | 21:58 |
| CosmoHill | "bring me up an adapter" | 21:58 |
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| jnwi | Cause I need to go asap to get an adapter from the store | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Mhm, cannot upload to autobuilder | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Permission denied (publickey). | 22:00 |
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| w00t_ | jnwi: a bunch of people are heading to the D4 pub apparantly | 22:02 |
| w00t_ | (connection dropped, yay shitty wifi) | 22:02 |
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| jnwi | w00t_: not sure where that is but one pub at least was full of sports fans | 22:03 |
| jnwi | you might find it a bit packed | 22:03 |
| w00t_ | ooh | 22:03 |
| * w00t_ informs | 22:03 | |
| jnwi | so which hotel are you at? | 22:04 |
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| CosmoHill | hey saltsa_ | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | and slaine >.> | 22:35 |
| slaine | Howdy | 22:35 |
| * slaine is looking forward to tomorrow | 22:35 | |
| CosmoHill | I'm not, I'm giving a presentation | 22:36 |
| slaine | College or MeeGoConf ? | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | uni | 22:40 |
| CosmoHill | although I am doing the growth of mobile phones in the developing world | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | I think Nokia made 47% of all the mobile phones in the world | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | but I can't remember where I read that | 22:41 |
| slaine | thought it was higher than that | 22:44 |
| slaine | good luck with it | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 22:46 |
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| jnwi | adapter acquired | 22:46 |
| jnwi | and pizza... | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | awesome | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | remember, nom the pizza, not the adapter | 22:47 |
| CosmoHill | pizza + 240V = bad | 22:47 |
| jnwi | I'll try | 22:47 |
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| erani | http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate | 22:58 |
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| CosmoHill | has anyone else noticed their history disappear on firefox? | 22:59 |
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| CosmoHill | like my history is set to remember the last 200 days but it can't remember october | 22:59 |
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