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| shadowbeast | when booting from mmc with flashed kernel, does it take a long time to boot up? | 01:29 |
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| shadowbeast | it doesnt look like my phone is donig anything | 01:29 |
| niala | MApplicationPage p; | 01:29 |
| niala | arf sorry wrong window | 01:30 |
| niala | shadowbeast: yes a long time but i don't now how much | 01:31 |
| shadowbeast | like 10 minutes, 1 hour? | 01:32 |
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| shadowbeast | so after it loads the kernel will it spew some error messages if the mmc isnt correctly formatted? | 01:41 |
| niala | shadowbeast: sorry I haven't test arm version but there is a #meego-arm | 01:43 |
| shadowbeast | okay will try there thanks | 01:43 |
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| lcuk_ | how in holy fuck do i turn off this google preview thing? | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | gahh thats just as annoying | 02:24 |
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| lcuk | i am so pleased that touch screens do not yet detect hover. | 02:25 |
| thiago | they do | 02:25 |
| thiago | it's just that the software is calibrated to ignore it | 02:25 |
| lcuk | thiago, hmm | 02:26 |
| lcuk | my n900 doesnt do hover and i didnt think capacitive managed it | 02:26 |
| thiago | n900 is resistive, it needs the pressure | 02:27 |
| lcuk | i know certain styluses on wacom style screens can detect hover | 02:27 |
| thiago | capacitive can detect hover | 02:27 |
| thiago | but the browser on the n900 has a mouse cursor mode | 02:27 |
| lcuk | i strongy dislike having overlays popping up because I happen to move the mouse somewhere ;) | 02:27 |
| * lcuk understands some people might | 02:28 | |
| lcuk | but theres no standard used for web interaction that I can find | 02:28 |
| lcuk | some sites do it, others dont | 02:28 |
| * lcuk would like option - like windows "single/double/(and hover) click to view files" | 02:29 | |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:53 |
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| niala | #include <QtWebkit> is wrong ? | 03:32 |
| Jartza | yes | 03:33 |
| Jartza | #include <QtWebKit> | 03:33 |
| niala | make same error | 03:35 |
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| niala | in wich package is QtWebKit ? | 04:02 |
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| berndhs | niala:there is a list, for example here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ | 04:06 |
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| niala | berndhs: I mean libqtwebkit-devel ty :) | 04:10 |
| berndhs | yeah, its in its own package, must be important stuff | 04:11 |
| niala | no :/ | 04:13 |
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| niala | this is right ? http://pastebin.com/XVLmctUn | 04:16 |
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| berndhs | niala:i have no idea | 04:22 |
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| desumoyo | hi | 04:57 |
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| akoimeexx | Well any .rpm-distributed package run on Meebo? Say, if I'm installing on a netbook, can I set up apache to host documents on a local network, etc.? | 05:17 |
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| akoimeexx | (And by run, I mean run given the target system's limitations) | 05:17 |
| akoimeexx | I wouldn't expect something like blender to operate well, obviously. | 05:18 |
| desumoyo | i get "Operating System load error" on my netbook with meego on usb key | 05:27 |
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| desumoyo | have tried recreating key 2 time but that not work | 05:28 |
| desumoyo | any idea someone ? | 05:28 |
| akoimeexx | Try recreating the disk with uNetbootin and specify the disk image? | 05:29 |
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| * akoimeexx had to do that with Moblin, as oppsed to using DD, which for some reason FAILED every time. | 05:29 | |
| desumoyo | ok i try | 05:30 |
| lcuk | akoimeexx, some folks have been installing apps from (afaik) opensuse or some other distro | 05:30 |
| akoimeexx | If you don't have unetbootin, install it through your favorite package manager. | 05:30 |
| akoimeexx | lcuk: I'll keep my fingers crossed and test once the image is done downloading on my end. Any kind of package manager in Meego? | 05:31 |
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| lcuk | akoimeexx, not sure, but I heard when people wanted oo.org or some other office package | 05:32 |
| lcuk | it was obtained from those repositories | 05:32 |
| lcuk | as a moblin use you might know more than me already | 05:32 |
| akoimeexx | Not really a moblin user. Just finally got it (mostly) working tonight. Wireless was disabled completely, so I rebooted back into god-awful ubuntu netbook. Checked the #moblin channel and saw Meego. Which brings me here. :p | 05:35 |
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| akoimeexx | C'est la vie. | 05:35 |
| lcuk | sure, hold on lemme dig I might find which repository/distro they used and it could point you in different direction | 05:35 |
| lcuk | it is also possible that the packages were used indirectly | 05:36 |
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| lcuk | lcukerkan^, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yes apparantly you can get openoffice working on your machine | 05:39 |
| lcuk | akoimeexx, that was a while ago and it wasnt from repository unfortunately, it was direct from the oo.org site | 05:39 |
| desumoyo | So, it seem like unetbootin not work :/ | 05:40 |
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| lcuk | DawnFosterI installed open office on my meego netbook02:28 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | lcukDawnFoster, ahhh so its been built02:29 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFosterI installed the fedora rpm02:29 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFosternothing special for meego, yet02:29 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFosterbut it works02:29 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFosterI do my conference presentations about MeeGo from my netbook using open office02:29 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFostersomeone at Novell was working on a more optimized version of open office that looks a little better on MeeGo02:30 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | DawnFosternot sure if they've finished it or posted it anywhere02:30 | 05:40 |
| lcuk | gnite anyway | 05:41 |
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| akoimeexx | Ah | 05:41 |
| akoimeexx | So there may well be a need to tweak apps for Meego, at least visually. | 05:41 |
| akoimeexx | But they will run. :D | 05:42 |
| desumoyo | Oh if anyone see VLJ | 05:43 |
| desumoyo | The nvidia-meego2.ks not work with x86_64 hosts | 05:44 |
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| pipnuk | perhaps amd could help with that | 05:56 |
| desumoyo | meego install now \o/ | 05:58 |
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| desumoyo | ok there is any solution to get terminal | 06:04 |
| desumoyo | without X ? | 06:04 |
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| akoimeexx | desumoyo: Glad to hear Meego ran now. Are you trying to just get a shell, or actually boot into cli? | 06:16 |
| desumoyo | get a shell | 06:17 |
| desumoyo | have an nvidia ion, for get it working | 06:17 |
| desumoyo | i need to get some file and install it | 06:17 |
| desumoyo | but meego ui dont load without graphics drivers, and it seem impossible to get a terminal | 06:18 |
| akoimeexx | ctrl-alt-f1, perhaps? | 06:18 |
| desumoyo | nop :/ | 06:18 |
| akoimeexx | Unsure about what TTY's they have available. | 06:19 |
| akoimeexx | Since I'm still waiting for Meego to download (cursed slow connection) | 06:19 |
| akoimeexx | ctrl-alt-F8? | 06:19 |
| desumoyo | nothing | 06:20 |
| akoimeexx | Hrm. | 06:20 |
| desumoyo | i get another live distrib now | 06:20 |
| desumoyo | for try to chroot | 06:20 |
| akoimeexx | When you boot up, try adding Single to the end of the boot option | 06:22 |
| akoimeexx | Let me test it on my netbook. | 06:22 |
| akoimeexx | Crud. No go. | 06:23 |
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| akoimeexx | Ah hah! | 06:24 |
| akoimeexx | Just add s to the end of the line. | 06:25 |
| akoimeexx | desumoyo: The way I did it: Start your system. Boot from the flash drive. Select your boot option and press tab before hitting enter. I got rid of quiet as well to get all the feedback I needed. | 06:26 |
| akoimeexx | You'll see a line (or two) of text, just add s to the end of that and hit enter. | 06:26 |
| akoimeexx | Should boot you into single user, giving you a cli. | 06:27 |
| desumoyo | SH-4.0# | 06:27 |
| desumoyo | \o/ | 06:27 |
| akoimeexx | Yep, that's what I got too. | 06:28 |
| akoimeexx | Should be able to run commands from there. ;) | 06:28 |
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| desumoyo | ahhh another problem >< | 06:28 |
| desumoyo | there is no ethernet | 06:29 |
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| akoimeexx | Try ifup? | 06:35 |
| akoimeexx | ifup eth0 192.168.1.* or whatever your normal ip address would look like. | 06:36 |
| desumoyo | ifup not found | 06:36 |
| desumoyo | ifconfig up eth0 say me no device with eth0 | 06:37 |
| akoimeexx | ifconfig eth0 up IPADDRESS? | 06:37 |
| akoimeexx | Hmn. | 06:37 |
| desumoyo | ifconfig -a say me there is just the lo device | 06:37 |
| * akoimeexx reboots the netbook again to test. | 06:37 | |
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| akoimeexx | Trying to figure out how to boot into runlevel 3 without using init 3 in the command prompt, since I suspect that should load everything for you. | 06:42 |
| akoimeexx | Can you grab the file and throw it onto a flash drive, then mount that locally on the netbook? | 06:42 |
| akoimeexx | (init 3 from the single user mode seems to just sit like a bump on a log for me, in Moblin) | 06:42 |
| akoimeexx | desumoyo: Instead of s in your bootup, try running with 3 at the end. | 06:44 |
| akoimeexx | I'm going to test it now. | 06:44 |
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| akoimeexx | Username/password for me in the login is moblin/moblin on the live USB. I can only assume it's similar with Meego (something like meego/meego perhaps?) | 06:46 |
| desumoyo | for log in have already created user | 06:46 |
| akoimeexx | Even better, then. | 06:47 |
| desumoyo | just , that continue to not work | 06:47 |
| desumoyo | nu such device | 06:47 |
| desumoyo | lets try installing graphics by chroot | 06:47 |
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| akoimeexx | Wow. I don't even see networking in /etc/init.d/ | 06:53 |
| desumoyo | lets try one thong called | 06:56 |
| desumoyo | FUCK THIS PC, lets dissamble HDD and try on another | 06:57 |
| desumoyo | =D | 06:57 |
| akoimeexx | Sounds like something I'd do. :p | 07:01 |
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| desumoyo | kfdjw4kerfprtfg | 07:02 |
| desumoyo | Sorry for flood but "Low battery : 0" on another pc | 07:03 |
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| akoimeexx | desumoyo: No worries. | 07:03 |
| akoimeexx | Gonna have to grab the power cord for the netbook in a sec here. | 07:04 |
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| desumoyo | yep but me | 07:06 |
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| desumoyo | i dont have the power cord here | 07:06 |
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| akoimeexx | Well, I think I'm about stumped for how to get the networking back up, I'm sorry about that. | 07:14 |
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| niala | good night #meego | 07:17 |
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| desumoyo | YEAH | 07:34 |
| desumoyo | have get a console with networking | 07:34 |
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| akoimeexx | desumoyo: How'd you manage the networking? Separate system? | 07:48 |
| desumoyo | yep is another linux | 07:48 |
| desumoyo | have chroot on meego | 07:48 |
| akoimeexx | Ah | 07:49 |
| akoimeexx | What a pain, eh? | 07:49 |
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| desumoyo | ^^' | 07:50 |
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| desumoyo | i dl nvidia drv now o/ | 07:57 |
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| desumoyo | WTF IS 7H AM HERE >< | 08:00 |
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| philo | hi | 08:09 |
| philo | how hard is it to get meego on the pandaboard ? | 08:10 |
| befr0d | not that hard | 08:10 |
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| philo | ok | 08:11 |
| befr0d | its documented on the wiki | 08:11 |
| philo | is it the best platform to start messing with meego ? | 08:11 |
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| philo | back | 08:18 |
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| amjad | morning | 08:23 |
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| philo | abotu SGX driver | 08:26 |
| philo | what does it means not to have the user-space tools open source ? | 08:26 |
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| desumoyo | ok that just suck | 08:54 |
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| desumoyo | i need evdev compiled for xorg 1.8 >< | 08:54 |
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| slonopotamus | >< means != ? | 08:59 |
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| b0tz | does anyone have any rumor knowledge, or idea in general when a stable meego tablet will be released? not the nokia z500 or whatever, that thing is ugly. something along the lines of that intel moorestown tablet video | 09:06 |
| b0tz | and no, i dont want WeTab. lol | 09:06 |
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| b0tz | with iOS multitasking around the corner for iPads, its getting harder and harder to wait for a nice meego powered tablet to come out.. | 09:07 |
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| dm8tbr | b0tz: there is proof of concept on the Archos5IT. it suffers from bug 5616 though as everything else OMAP3 based (except n900) | 09:08 |
| _MeeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, 1.0.80.15, fathi.boudra, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled | 09:08 |
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| b0tz | ohh, i see. Ive looked and played with the archos 5 before, im looking for a screen 8-12inches like the iPad. sleek\thin profile too. i already have a netbook, laptop, android smartphone, but i want a tablet mostly for lounging\travel, and having it thin, light, with great battery life (atleast 6-8 constant video playback, 15hr idle time) is a must | 09:10 |
| dm8tbr | b0tz: you might like the a70 and a101 then, they are from the newes generation that just started shipping. | 09:11 |
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| b0tz | the archos screen was too small for me. first quarter of 2011 is supposed to be a good time for tablets, as the blackberry tablet, and i read on a few blogs a meego tablet sometime then too. | 09:11 |
| b0tz | ah, i will have to research those. im in no rush to get one. i want to get a good bang for my buck though, if im spending 500+ | 09:12 |
| dm8tbr | We (openAOS) are expecting the open bootloader for those devices within the next month or two | 09:12 |
| dm8tbr | My personal opinion is that those two tablets will be interesting for meego developers due to: a) open bootloader, no hacking needed b) multi-touch screen c) OMAP3, so the armv7 port will mostly just work™ | 09:14 |
| dm8tbr | there may of course be other interesting hardware coming up that I'm not aware of. I'm clearly biased and not trying to hide it. | 09:14 |
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| b0tz | I see. A101 looks alright, will just have to see its reviews\videos and maybe get to test it myself before i think about it. i find android a great smartphone OS, just for some reason i cant put my finger on i dont see it as the best tablet OS. although, there is a app for nearly everything i can ask for. only time ive got frustrated is when im trying to use VNC with my 4.3inch screen on the Evo, its just too small | 09:15 |
| b0tz | i see. multi touch too, wow. im ready to see how that turns out. | 09:16 |
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| dm8tbr | I briefly played with the 101 when I visited their R&D last week. It is really nice. The son of one of the guys was playing angry birds on it and it looked impressive. | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | we should convince archos to switch to meego eventually :P | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | I have an A32 here, cute li'l thingy | 09:18 |
| b0tz | :o Wow, sweet. I just watched a video on the 101 and it looks quite nice and responsive. the archos 7 just is too small for me still. I dont have the best vision, and id also use my tablet as a e-reader when travelling\lounging, so i dont want to cause much eye strain | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I can put you in contact with the right people. they are all here on freenode :) | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | b0tz: besides the a70 'only' has 800x480 resolution | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: occasionally i wonder if i have already bumped into them | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | i meet weird people who work on strange projects at times | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:20 |
| b0tz | oh, wow. Not that great.. the meego interface just looks amazing. ever since ive saw the video on that moorestown tablet, ive been drooling. even thought of trying it in my netbook, just havent got around to installing it. | 09:20 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: very well possible. does 'av500' ring a bell? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, naturally - very visible around beagle and such communities | 09:21 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, well, he's one of them :) | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: that i know | 09:21 |
| dm8tbr | they are also quite helpful towards FOSS projects centered around their hardware. e.g. openAOS got plenty of info about the ATmega that does power managment so that we could read batter state etc. | 09:23 |
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| desumoyo | if you are happy because you see meego wallpaper after nvidia screen, you know you turn crazy >< | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | but good | 09:34 |
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| desumoyo | YEAH | 09:42 |
| desumoyo | THAT WORK | 09:42 |
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| lbt900 | anyone in LHR? | 09:53 |
| desumoyo | stupid question | 09:59 |
| desumoyo | but | 09:59 |
| desumoyo | Meego UI work as user ? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, user 'meego' | 10:00 |
| desumoyo | i can use it with my user, not with meego user ? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think its hardcoded to meego | 10:02 |
| desumoyo | on 1.1 | 10:02 |
| desumoyo | user meego dont exist | 10:02 |
| vilvo | sudo adduser meego? | 10:03 |
| timoph | you're using netbook image? | 10:03 |
| timoph | vilvo: what's the weather in Dublin? | 10:04 |
| desumoyo | have installed meego, yep by netbook image | 10:04 |
| vilvo | timoph: chilly and windiy | 10:04 |
| vilvo | timoph: I compiled mplayer on meego netbook and encoded our demo video to proper format, plays nice on netbook as well | 10:05 |
| timoph | good | 10:05 |
| timoph | I was just about to start re-encoding it :) | 10:05 |
| vilvo | that's why I mentioned, spare yourself for the trip | 10:06 |
| desumoyo | xf86EnableIOPorts : failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted) | 10:06 |
| desumoyo | i get that | 10:06 |
| desumoyo | as user | 10:06 |
| desumoyo | if i try to launch xorg | 10:06 |
| timoph | I'm trying to get all my stuff together | 10:06 |
| vilvo | I'm going for breakfast now -> | 10:07 |
| timoph | btw, do airlines have some policies on electronics since I'll be travelling with a switchbox, a jig, etc. (I haven't flown in years) | 10:08 |
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| RST38h | switchbox will be ok | 10:12 |
| lbt900 | timoph not a problem | 10:12 |
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| timoph | good | 10:12 |
| RST38h | toothpaste is a different issue though... | 10:12 |
| timoph | ;) | 10:12 |
| lbt900 | be prepared to explain | 10:12 |
| lbt900 | true | 10:12 |
| lbt900 | that's dangerous | 10:12 |
| * lbt900 going to gate | 10:13 | |
| RST38h | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1nOiIPDvfr0/TNhEpmgCsRI/AAAAAAAADUQ/7kjObGJmK0M/s1600/Cavity+Search.jpg | 10:14 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, toothpaste needs to be smaller than 100ml and carried around in a transparent plastic ziploc baggie | 10:15 |
| RST38h | see above | 10:15 |
| timoph | :D | 10:17 |
| timoph | the poster looks like something you would see in fall out games :) | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | the other day I found out by accident that they ignore empty bottles. so you can pass that through and fill it with tap-water afterwards | 10:17 |
| RST38h | you naughty terrorist... | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | yes, I didn't get my hydrogen bomb done until after we landed though | 10:18 |
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| Chani | dm8tbr: you mean, toothpaste needs to be in a container with a capacity <100ml. doesn't matter if it's half empty... >.< | 10:26 |
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| Chani | also, they don't notice water that's not in a water-bottle-shape. | 10:26 |
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| Chani | timoph: ^^ | 10:27 |
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| timoph | I think I'll manage without water since it's a short flight | 10:31 |
| timoph | or actually 2 short flights | 10:31 |
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| dm8tbr | Chani: that's correct. if the container is 101ml and they are in their usual anal mood they will make you throw it away, even if it's near empty. | 10:35 |
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| Chani | on long flights, if I can't find a water fountain in the airport, I often ask them to fill my bottle on the plane. most of them are nice about it :) | 10:38 |
| Chani | hrm | 10:38 |
| Chani | I really should've gone and looked at that wiki of when people are flying | 10:38 |
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| * Chani has been far too busy to do any of the things she meant to do before this conference :/ | 10:39 | |
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| naknomik | Where can I find more documentation about 'Resource Manager'? It's mentioned in MeeGo Porting Guide but can't find more info about it. | 10:58 |
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| song123 | hi, I really want to have a meego cell phone. Where can I buy aava handset? or Moorestown based handset? thanks. | 11:11 |
| RST38h | www.aavamobile.com ? | 11:15 |
| Termana | Buy an N900 | 11:15 |
| Termana | Aava is no longer a reference device anyway | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Termana: Why? | 11:15 |
| Termana | RST38h, there were some problems with getting parts of it open sourced or something like that (the modem stuff and some other things AFAIK) | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Weird | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Is there another x86-based Meego handset then? | 11:16 |
| Termana | Honestly, since I don't really give 2 hoots about x86 in MeeGo (No offence to all the x86 MeeGo people), I didn't follow it too closely, I don't even know when it was pulled | 11:17 |
| Termana | RST38h, don't think so | 11:17 |
| RST38h | Doubleweird | 11:17 |
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| song123 | Termana, Well, thanks for the reply. but I don't really follow it. if I want to use meego handset, I need to buy a nokia N900. no other choices? meego websites still show aava is one choice. Does aava handset ever exist in the market? | 11:19 |
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| Termana | song123, the Aava handset was never really a consumer device anyway. I guess you could still get one from them if you made an inquiry. As to if the N900 is the only choice - at the moment, yes. | 11:21 |
| Termana | (For a mobile phone running MeeGo) | 11:21 |
| RST38h | Which makes me wonder what the hell Aava was | 11:22 |
| RST38h | Do they intend to sell it to the publi at some point? What is their business model? | 11:22 |
| alterego | I think they just needed a moorestown dev device for reference/show off | 11:22 |
| RST38h | Who "they"? | 11:22 |
| rauli | i thought intel just ordered a x86 prototype phone from them? | 11:23 |
| RST38h | rauli: Oh, really? Interesting | 11:23 |
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| RST38h | Aava does not appear to have any other products, just that Moorestown handset. | 11:28 |
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| thiago | yep | 11:28 |
| song123 | ...... As a consumer, do I still have any hope to buy an open handset and install Meego on it by myself? I had a dream to use cellphone just like PC/laptops. I buy the hardware and choose which OS that I want to install. When meego releases and aava hanset news comes out, I thought my dream would become true very soon...... (hopefully, my words make sense) | 11:31 |
| RST38h | song123: Nokia N900. | 11:31 |
| RST38h | song123: Semi-usable Meego 1.2 for N900 prmised ot arrive around April 2011. In the meanwhile you can use Maemo5 on it, which (IMHO) is open enough. | 11:31 |
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| RST38h | song123: Do keep in mind that, as a consumer, you may prefer a somewhat dumber phone that has less tweakability but provides better "consumer experience" (whatever consumers mean by it) | 11:32 |
| song123 | RST38h: thanks. so N900 is the only choice for now. I really don't like N900 design. :) | 11:33 |
| RST38h | song123: As I said, for design, buy an iPhone :) | 11:35 |
| RST38h | song123: For brutality, get an N900 though :) | 11:35 |
| song123 | RST38h: OK. thanks. Hopefully, one day, I can choose which OS to install on my cell phone just like that I install Linux on my laptop. | 11:37 |
| zumbi_ | Maemo5 rocks! | 11:37 |
| thiago | not really... :-) | 11:38 |
| zumbi_ | thiago: then apple os is better? | 11:38 |
| * RST38h does not see the logic in troll's arguments | 11:39 | |
| RST38h | song123: You already can, in a limited way, but if you really want to use it as a phone, with full functionality, manufacturer-installed OS is usually the only practical option | 11:40 |
| thiago | zumbi_: no | 11:41 |
| thiago | zumbi_: but MeeGo is better :-) | 11:41 |
| zumbi_ | thiago: i though MeeGo was not usable (yet) on N900 | 11:41 |
| thiago | we're talking about OS | 11:41 |
| song123 | RST38h: yeah. hopefully, that will change one day. | 11:41 |
| thiago | the OS rocks, even if the UX is incomplete | 11:41 |
| zumbi_ | i looking to buy a phone, but not really sure which one to get, but i liked Maemo5 | 11:42 |
| thiago | Maemo5 is not a phone. The only phone with Maemo5 is the N900. | 11:42 |
| zumbi_ | thiago: right | 11:42 |
| zumbi_ | HTC with android is also attractive | 11:43 |
| thiago | not for me | 11:43 |
| tmzt_dg2root | HTC with meego is possible :) | 11:43 |
| thiago | "attractive" is a subjective term | 11:43 |
| RST38h | thiago: The "OS" is RedHat. | 11:43 |
| RST38h | thiago: There are different opinions on the subject of RedHat vs other Linux distros | 11:44 |
| thiago | RST38h: yeah, that's why they're *opinions* :-) | 11:44 |
| zumbi_ | RST38h: i though distros are not against each other, but against privative software | 11:45 |
| RST38h | thiago: Yea, there is evidence both pro and against RedHat | 11:45 |
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| RST38h | zumbi: Distros are not, their users are | 11:45 |
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| zumbi_ | yes,makes sense | 11:46 |
| TermanaDesire | Besides, Linux distros can be against each other. Its called friendly competition and its good for the Linux ecosystem | 11:48 |
| TermanaDesire | And if we all agreed on everything there wouldn't be so many distros ;) | 11:48 |
| RST38h | There would be of course | 11:48 |
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| TermanaDesire | RST38h: what? | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | Termana: A lot of time it is about taking someone's work, calling it a different name and claiming it as "your own distro" | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Termana: Sometimes, you can even try selling it | 11:50 |
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| Termana_ | RST38h, what two distros are exactly the same though? | 11:51 |
| RST38h | Termana: They do not have to be exactly the same of course, they deviate over time | 11:52 |
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| Termana_ | RST38h, which indicates, what? | 11:52 |
| Termana_ | Someone not agreeing with the way the other one is doing something? | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Termana: Does not indicate a thing | 11:53 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Just indicates two people doing things slightly differently, not necessarily disagreeing | 11:53 |
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| Termana | RST38h, If we all agreed, then everyone would agree on the one way something would be done. Everyone would choose it, because when they come to the choice of what to do, they would agree on the same thing | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Termana: Not necessarily | 11:55 |
| RST38h | Termana: Consider two people doing the same thing and not communicating with each other. Each of them will do it slightly differently. | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Termana: [also see: inference in boolean algebra, common reasoning caveats] | 11:56 |
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| Termana | RST38h, if you and I were always in complete agreement, yet we never talked to each other - when we came to a road to cross we had the choice of either running across or just walking, under the condition that we were always in agreement, even though we never communicated, we would both do the same thing, either run or walk across, because we both agree that's the best way to cross the road in that situation. | 12:01 |
| Bostik | I'm pessimistic (realistic?) enough to claim that even with them communicating they would still do things somewhat differently | 12:01 |
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| Myrtti | uniqu3: | 12:02 |
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| Myrtti | you all need more cheesecake | 12:02 |
| Termana | Myrtti, :P | 12:02 |
| Myrtti | communication fails by default, unless by accident succeeds. | 12:02 |
| Termana | Feel free to send some! :p | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Termana: Simple | 12:02 |
| RST38h | Termana: You walked, I ran, someone else bicycled. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | And moo, Myrtti | 12:03 |
| Bostik | Myrtti: bingo :) | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Termana: We all crossed the road, just in diffrent ways. | 12:04 |
| TermanaDesire | RST38h: but that violates us being in agreement about how to cross the road | 12:04 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Nope. You are forgetting the third option. | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Termana: "A does not give a shit how B does C" | 12:07 |
| TermanaDesire | RST38h: I think I just realised something. I'm a very black and white person and you're very very grey | 12:09 |
| TermanaDesire | ;p | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | gosh, healthy breakfast for once: galia melon | 12:10 |
| Myrtti | omnomnom | 12:10 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 12:10 |
| TermanaDesire | Morning lcuk | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | Termana: The world is grey. | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, KotCzarny highlighted something this morning which should perk your mind .. http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml | 12:13 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: OMFG | 12:36 |
| lcuk | isn't that sufficiently evil | 12:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is, it is | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | this video is about pinball machines, but the community spirit and desire to play is just as strong as we see, lots of analogs with our community http://www.30lbsskunk.com/2010/11/04/pinheads-the-story-of-the-pacific-pinball-museum/ | 12:43 |
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| timoph | damn. I just realized that I have 3 hours to kill tomorrow at copenhagen airport | 12:53 |
| lcuk | timoph, are other conf people on the same flight route as you? | 12:54 |
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| pipnuk | put liqflow on your n900s and sit next to each other at the airport waiting lounge | 12:54 |
| pipnuk | confuse passerby | 12:55 |
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| timoph | lcuk: no idea | 12:55 |
| lcuk | pipnuk, heh, amusing ditty, in cafe in Manchester I had the x86 port of stuff on my laptop, some guy crashed into table behind me craning to see what it was I was working on | 12:55 |
| pipnuk | hahah | 12:56 |
| timoph | at least the wiki page doesn't have anyone else on the same flight | 12:57 |
| Bostik | 3h to kill... scummvm? | 12:57 |
| timoph | :) | 12:58 |
| lcuk | timoph, have you ever been to copenhagen before? | 12:58 |
| timoph | no | 12:58 |
| lcuk | then run outside, hire a bike and go for a whistlestop tour of the city :P | 12:58 |
| timoph | ~seen qole | 13:00 |
| timoph | hmmh | 13:00 |
| infobot | qole <~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 247d 18h 24m 15s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps, oh that's some great news!'. | 13:00 |
| pipnuk | ! | 13:01 |
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| * lcuk goes and gets hair done | 13:02 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: just did same | 13:03 |
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| TermanaDesire | Stskeeps, lcuk: have to look spiff and span for people you normally only see the writing of? ;p | 13:34 |
| sjokkis | greetings from dublin | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | TermanaDesire: i have to -not- look like a caveman who works at home | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:34 |
| TermanaDesire | :p | 13:34 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :) | 13:35 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: will come dressed like lady gaga i feel - outfit of bacon ;) | 13:35 |
| niala | hi #meego | 13:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | heya | 13:35 |
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| niala | lcuk dress is the lunch at dublin ? | 13:38 |
| TermanaDesire | Noobmonk3y: ha see what you started now ;p | 13:39 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hehehe! | 13:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | that's why he's so quiet though, he's at the butchers ;) | 13:40 |
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| niala | 600 guys and girls I hope lcuk is big to feed everyone | 13:43 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :) | 13:47 |
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| lcuk | i still have vnc and can see you mofos :P | 13:50 |
| niala | and the meego party became a cannibal party | 13:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 13:50 |
| niala | lcuk: hello | 13:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcukygaga | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | noob bacon bras are awesome, but i couldnt find one to fit. | 13:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha! | 13:55 |
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| * Stskeeps is still packing | 14:24 | |
| thiago | haven't started | 14:24 |
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| thiago | checking in, boarding pass, all on my N900 | 14:25 |
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| pipnuk | :) | 14:27 |
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| niala | hey guy I have an idea for meego conf' .. you can do a meego unboxing porn lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn-AQQoJE-k&feature=channel | 14:31 |
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| thiago | tekojo: best in portrait mode :-) | 14:33 |
| thiago | tekojo: but best of all are Finnair flights from Finland: no barcode, just the SMS | 14:33 |
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| thiago | hmm... Dawn must be in Dublin already | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | Looks like Windows Phone has hit the same swap problem as Maemo/Meego: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/12/atandt-tells-samsung-focus-customers-not-to-buy-microsd-cards-yet/ | 14:53 |
| RST38h | And they are "fixing" it with special random access SD cards | 14:53 |
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| Stskeeps | why would it use the microsd as swap, or it doesnt have emc? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | emmc | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: probably does not or has it occupied | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But the reported facts clearly indicate that it will be used for swap | 14:55 |
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| * ptl will send his fucked-up N900 to Nokia this monday :( | 14:57 | |
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| CosmoHill | did you brick it? | 14:58 |
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| Termana | RST38h, the article doesn't mention anything about swap (or as it would be called from a windows perspective: pagefile) | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Termana: Ok, let me clarify | 15:13 |
| sivang | hi all | 15:14 |
| RST38h | You have got two pieces of information: 1) they want cards that can do fast random access and 2) they warn that the cards will not have any meaningful file system on them and will be unusable elsewhere | 15:14 |
| Termana | hey sivang | 15:14 |
| sivang | wifi rates are insaenly high here :) | 15:14 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Do you see where this is going or should I continue? | 15:14 |
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| sivang | class 6 insaenly expensive | 15:15 |
| sivang | :) | 15:15 |
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| Termana | I see where you're going, but you're only guessing, or putting it over as a thought - but that's not how you made your statement | 15:16 |
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| RST38h | Termana: Well there is another possibility but it is less likely | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Termana: Let us say the put a custom encrypted filesystem there | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Termana: First, this brings a quesiton of why putting a custom filesyste,. Secondly, if they just store data there (media data if you wish), they will not need fast random access speeds | 15:17 |
| Termana | RST38h, also, this would be a new development for them as a whole, since Windows has never had the concept of a swap/page partition, only a file AFAIK | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | Termana: there is no principal difference | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Same constraints basically, especially considering that their "swap file" could never get fragmented on its own | 15:18 |
| RST38h | So it was like a little partition inside a normal partition | 15:18 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, also I doubt these phones have emmc inside. Nokia is the only one to get this right with the N900, by providing 32GB packed inside | 15:19 |
| Termana | Minus 2GB I guess | 15:20 |
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| Termana | RST38h, anyway, if this is the case, I think it's a bad idea them doing it. | 15:22 |
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| Termana | RST38h, along with all the other bad ideas they have shoved in there | 15:24 |
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| ArthurDownhill | qmake command "not found" whatt. | 16:02 |
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| ArthurDownhill | "The QT version is invalid, could not determite the path to the binaries of the qt installation, maybe the qmake path is wrong?" | 16:04 |
| ArthurDownhill | comes when I'm trying to run | 16:04 |
| ArthurDownhill | what to doo. | 16:05 |
| ArthurDownhill | ? | 16:05 |
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| alterego | ArthurDownhill: what OS are you using, and what setup? | 16:06 |
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| javispedro | Heh. | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 17:17 |
| javispedro | thanks sivang for pushing the visibility discussion :) | 17:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | mwichmann has been quite helpful (haven't had time to integrate his feedback, but i will try) | 17:33 |
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| adeus | hello from early bird | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going there? | 17:41 |
| adeus | people doing all kinds of stuff | 17:43 |
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| Chani | so where is everyone atm? and what's happening for dinner when? :) | 18:46 |
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| Chani | the wiki search is failing me | 18:57 |
| Chani | where's the page about the pre-conference stuff? | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | search for ealy bird | 19:01 |
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| Chani | Stskeeps: the "makers contest" thing says the ideal location would be a bar, but doesn't say what bar was decided on :/ d'you know anything about that? | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure, try to catch people in ballroom of ballsbridge towers | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | mm ta | 19:11 |
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| Chani | Stskeeps: i don't think we can get there before they leave.. but apparently someone's going to call us when they decide where they're going :) | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:16 |
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| javispedro | btw, what's the plan regarding X11 applications and rotation? | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | I see that the current meego handset n900 images do not seem to rotate X11 applications | 21:16 |
| javispedro | is to be expected that meego will something similar to the current n900 xrandr setup? | 21:17 |
| javispedro | (even though that might break the nice-looking animation... ) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure how it's supposed to work - i would assume qt apps might have same issue? | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Depends | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Qt may get rotation information via different means (not X) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | The proper way would be to resize X root window on rotation. Is it being done? | 21:18 |
| javispedro | .. seemingly not. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, that might cause a performance cut, i guess? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | No | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: worth an email | 21:19 |
| javispedro | xwininfo -root says width: 800, height: 480 | 21:19 |
| javispedro | (while in portrait, I mean) | 21:19 |
| javispedro | and duicontrolpanel renders fine... | 21:19 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 21:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: OMAP3 sets screen buffer orientation in hardware. All X11 needs to do is get the rotation event and resize its root window | 21:19 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: This should also resize all maximized windows (which I guess includes all our app windows in Maemo/Meego) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: afaik apps do their own rotation or something | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Will this be fixed by 1.2? | 21:21 |
| * javispedro fires up email | 21:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: what do i know, i make hardware adaptations, not UX :) | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Then the lower layer is actually yours | 21:23 |
| RST38h | I.e. hardware drivers to X11 | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, but that particular thing is in what apis we're supposed to support and what compositor does | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | so it's up to what the compositor needs | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Ok. Is anyone else working on this issue, particularly for N900 Meego adaptation? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: minor detail - i think we have broken xrandr atm (there was a test case) | 21:26 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it is a global issue, so not our problem (yet) | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | i saw it on aava too | 21:27 |
| * javispedro smells a problem here. | 21:27 | |
| javispedro | either way, writing the email to -devel. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | so it's up to the handset ux compositor how to act with standard x11 apps | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: As someone officially working on the project, could you raise this issue? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | xrandr isn't an option, afaik, as rotating that way is just way too slow | 21:27 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: that's what I fear... | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: javispedro's doing it and he's a capable individual | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yes, but I think someone who is working full time on the project may have better persuasive effect | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: not really - generally we get same response time no matter if it's a nokian, a intel guy, me or a cybercom guy | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | so, javispedro will do fine | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | you might be asked to file a bug though | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | (which doesn't usually get ignored and QA scrubs bugs quite often) | 21:30 |
| javispedro | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-November/480021.html | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: ah, i wish you hadn't written 'final-demo' | 21:31 |
| * javispedro is completely ignorant in this regard, sorry =) | 21:31 | |
| gabrbedd | I'm trying to package a pre-built binary with 'rpmbuild' -- but it keeps failing because MeeGo sets the %_misisng_build_ids_terminate_build macro (/usr/lib/rpm/meego/macros). I'm new to RPM -- anybody know how to override this? | 21:31 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: actually, I wish I had written "always landscape". damn. | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, that was quick | 21:32 |
| javispedro | indeed | 21:33 |
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| javispedro | well, n900 ready for meegoconf :) | 21:38 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, :D what was up with the term final demo? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | is there going to be another one before the conf? :D | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: final-mod was to enable uboot.. final demo, that plus demo stuff | 21:49 |
| lcuk | cool beans | 21:50 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, do you send things like jig through checked in luggage or keep them in your hand? | 21:50 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: other than sgx what other demo stuff is there? | 21:51 |
| Bostik | if I ever had to fly frequently, I | 21:51 |
| Bostik | I'd probably buy a starter pistol and start carrying that in the luggage | 21:51 |
| Bostik | "this case has a firearm in it, please keep it safe" | 21:51 |
| berndhs | to fly with lotsa bags, ship them with ups or fedex to your destination hotel | 21:52 |
| * lcuk bets you would also meet many burly security men with a rubber glove fetish | 21:52 | |
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| Bostik | lcuk: not that likely, luggage with dangerous and declared items are specially flagged and guarded | 21:55 |
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| Bostik | it'd be the height of bad PR and potential lawsuits if an airline somehow managed to lose a registered firearm in transit | 21:55 |
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| berndhs | bostik:customs is easier if you declare something too, they don't look at the rest of your stuff | 21:57 |
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| Bostik | interesting point :P | 21:58 |
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| berndhs | not that i recommend smuggling, but the aggravation is more predictable | 21:59 |
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| Bostik | smuggling is one thing, slightly ... overstepping the boundaries on amounts (which would warrant customs declaration) is another | 22:05 |
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| * TSCHAK is back. | 22:47 | |
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| Myrtti | and the crowds go wild, is it really TSCHAK?! YES, HE HAS RETURNED! | 22:55 |
| TSCHAK | rofl, I may just turn that off | 22:55 |
| CosmoHill | please :) | 22:55 |
| TSCHAK | wow okay, by request | 22:56 |
| TSCHAK | :P :) | 22:56 |
| Myrtti | that, including the compliments for making a detailed bug report, just made my day | 22:57 |
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