IRC log of #meego for Monday, 2010-11-08

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nialaCosmoHill: better like that? :  chroot an meego-ivi into a meego-netbook and you will have a new panel who interact with all app netbook already running00:03
tybolltCosmoHill: that explains so much on so many levels, thank you :-D00:03
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tybolltniala: not really making sense no :)00:04
CosmoHillif you chroot meego-ivi in meego-netbook you will have a new panel that displays all the currently running apps?00:04
nialavoilà00:04
tybolltCosmoHill: tresbien00:05
CosmoHill:)00:05
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CosmoHilloo, Reading shirt is £10 cheaper :)00:11
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nialaCosmoHill: because they fall ?  :p00:14
CosmoHill:o00:14
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lcukCosmoHill, did they relabel them as cleaning rags as well? :p00:25
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CosmoHillwtf, £7 to have numbers on the shirt00:25
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lcuk:D00:26
CosmoHillI'm not sure how I managed to get a £35 shirt up to £5300:26
lcukwhich number would you have CosmoHill00:26
CosmoHill2100:26
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lcuk£4 delivery?00:27
lcuk(£3 of that is shame fee for the postman to actually carry it :P)00:27
CosmoHillactually delivery isn't mentioned00:27
CosmoHill£1 per letter, £3.50 per number, £35 for the shirt and £5 for the patch00:28
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CosmoHillI have no idea why I'm looking at all this reading crap....I mean quality merch00:39
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CosmoHillcyas01:27
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ddompeStskeeps: ping02:02
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johnxddompe, he's probably asleep for several more hours :)02:05
ddompejohnx: thanks!02:05
johnxhe *might* still be awake, but probably not02:06
ddompesomeone have an idea why I get an message: "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized" when trying to import a project into a fresh OBS...02:06
ddompeI'm using Stskeeps script from http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS02:07
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johnxwas it right at the end after it had already done a bunch of downloading?02:07
ddompejohnx:  right02:07
johnxI think I saw that too02:08
ddompeit download everything, but failed to connect to my OBS02:08
johnxI was going to try and figure that out later today02:08
johnxwhich OBS server 'image' are you using?02:08
ddompecustom-made :S02:08
ddompemaybe my OBS server is old02:09
johnxwow02:09
johnxthe script might also try and login with a default password?02:09
ddompeI saw my server is asking for http authentication, but I don't see how to say to the osc command what user/pass to use02:10
johnxmaybe in your ~/.oscrc (or similar? don't have it in front of me)02:10
ddompeahh02:10
ddompegreat, that was the kind of info I was looking for, I will give it a try02:10
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ddompejohnx: I figure it out, the script doesn't ask for user and password if it wasn't set02:17
ddompeI will tip Stskeeps tomorrow about it02:17
johnxah, nice02:17
johnxthat helps me quite a bit. thanks :D02:18
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ddompejust modify the .oscrc to enter your user and password02:22
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johnxalmost certainly, the second part of my problem was caused by using an old version of the obs-server image02:23
johnxand I think it had a different default admin password :)02:23
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taopinhelp channel-pref03:11
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johnxhelp: there is no help03:12
taopinmiss "/" in the beginning, I got it.03:12
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bangyuansongHI08:58
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* hvenus creating madde target09:30
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MyrttiMonday, eh.09:31
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MyrttiI need more coffee...09:34
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hvenus"Maxwell House"09:43
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timakimaare there any common meego guidelines regarding tags used in bugzilla bug titles? (meaning [FEA] etc)10:14
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Myrttioh lord, I'm moving to the dark side. I just paid for Spotify Premium so I could use their Linux client10:34
hvenusGod10:35
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hhurttasuch horror, paying for nice services!10:35
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sandst1and losing the voice of Jonathan sure is a downside10:36
Myrttiit was the Spanish ad I wanted to get rid of10:36
hhurttalol10:36
StskeepsX-Fade: can i borrow 5.4gb on repository.maemo.org to upload first attempt at 'meego' armv6+vfp?10:37
Stskeeps:P10:37
Myrttilast.fm are quitting the radio stations I paid for10:37
Myrttiso I might as well pay more to get more.10:37
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X-FadeStskeeps: Sure, you should have space there.10:38
Stskeepsk10:38
dm8tbrMyrtti: what's the first impression of the linux client? I'm only using the win32 client through wine from time to time.10:39
Myrttidm8tbr: I can't see the difference - apart from the fact that there's no ads. ;-)10:39
dm8tbr:)10:39
MyrttiI've not used Spotify too much, I've had a love-hate relationship with it since I first heard of it10:39
StskeepsX-Fade: took a week for me to build 1081 packages on a dual xeon 1.8ghz 512mb machine10:39
X-FadeStskeeps: Hehe, yeah. Probably a lot of loops too?10:40
StskeepsX-Fade: actually it was surprisingily linear once i disabled gcc and glibc build10:40
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hhurttaI can tell one difference:10:40
hhurtta"native" linux client actually works on lucid/meerkat10:41
hhurttaor gives out sound10:41
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KaZeRhi there10:41
Myrttihhurtta: I'm using lucid and the wine version worked fine10:41
X-FadeStskeeps: Once we got all this OBS setup sorted out, we might want to reserve some hardware in the future for bringing up other archs etc.10:41
Stskeeps:nod:10:41
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hhurttaMyrtti: goood for you. there are plenty of users out there without working spotify :(10:42
dm8tbrmight be some sound-layer issue?10:42
dm8tbrnever had problems on debian10:42
hhurttadm8tbr: sound layer it is. there are some instructions and workarounds in the forums but none of them ultimately helped me10:43
Myrttiaw crap, I started thinking about wine and pulseaudio problems and misbraided my hair10:43
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hhurttathe best i could get out was almost working sound; it had annoying noises like every few seconds10:44
slaineForgive my Qt ignorance, but what is skia ?10:44
Stskeepsslaine: android's graphics rendering toolkit (not UI)10:44
Stskeepsalso base of chrome graphics10:44
Stskeepshttp://code.google.com/p/skia/10:44
slaineStskeeps: ah, thanks10:45
Myrttihhurtta, dm8tbr: I'm on lucid xubuntu and I've tweaked my sound settings until they squeak to make voice over ip work on various methods10:45
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dm8tbrMyrtti: I kind of expected that you did. :)10:52
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npr664Hello!11:07
Stskeepswello11:08
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npr664Does anyone know which package is the image that appears at the beginning of Meego OS?11:09
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Stskeepsplymouth-lite maybe11:14
npr664ok... thank you!11:16
sivangmorning11:17
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sivanghey slaine11:17
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Myrttibrrrlllh.11:39
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hhurttammmkay11:39
Myrtticold... :-(11:40
hhurttafirst snow!11:40
hhurttawho could be like :( on that?11:41
Myrttioh, snow I love, but I did a visit to the kitchen and handled cold water and eggs11:42
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hhurtta:)11:42
RST38hMoo, Myrtti11:45
Bostikfirst snow + morning bike trip + haircut = airheaded feeling + slightly nippy face11:46
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MyrttiI'm just low on iron again, time to take some supplements11:48
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nialahello12:38
nialahello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKxMzc6Rig4&feature=related12:38
nialawopps sorry wrong window12:38
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lorpmorning everyone12:59
lorpdoes anybody know whether Qt 4.7 (and in particular Qt Quick) is currently supported on MeeGo?13:00
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oliwerit's noon13:01
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tekojolorp: yes, it's in the core packages13:02
lorptekojo: do you know if there are some multimedia APIs that still need to be ported to Qt Quick on MeeGo?13:03
tekojolorp: sorry, I not that deep into development13:04
lorpoliwer: well, still 11 in the UK... :-)13:04
lorptekojo: ok thanks I'll try to get hold of some Qt maintainers and ask them13:05
tekojolorp: I guess you would for now need to do the multimedia part with C++ and then use QML for the UI13:05
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tekojoWhat's with _MeeGoBot_ ?13:06
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lorp_MeeGoBot_, do you think something different about?13:07
_MeeGoBot_lorp: Sorry, I've no idea what 'do you think something different about' might be.13:07
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sp3000afaiui at least mozbots have been known to frown at C++13:07
tekojosp3000: sounds like a possibility13:08
Stskeepswell, seems like that the configuration is not totally removed :)13:08
Stskeepsdm8tbr: ^^13:08
sp3000rheeet!13:08
_MeeGoBot_rheeeeeeet!13:08
sp3000:)13:09
Stskeepsseems like it's a standard setting in mozbots13:09
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lorpwhat's going on here?13:09
Stskeepslorp: ignore the bot.. we set up a bug to easier being able to do:13:09
Stskeepsbug 66613:09
_MeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=666 enh, Low, ---, ovek, ASSI, X-OSSO-BOUND property on Maemo13:09
Stskeepsa bot, i mean13:09
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Stskeepsand it seems like it comes with some prejudices by automatic, by accident13:09
lorpok, I got it :)13:09
Stskeepsthe guy who runs the bot is working to remove those13:10
dm8tbrStskeeps: yes, didn't get around to restarting it13:10
dm8tbrsp3000: it is a mozbot13:10
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lorpStskeeps, do you know if there are any differences in the implementation of Qt Quick between Notebook and N900?13:13
Stskeepslorp: one uses GLES2, the other uses GL13:13
Stskeepsbesides that, not afaik13:13
lorpright13:13
lorpthanks13:13
Stskeepswhen you say n900, i speak of meego n90013:14
lorpyes I meant meego n90013:14
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* fcrozat can't get meego 1.1 booting with uboot on PR 1.3 using mmc card13:16
Stskeepswhat guide did you follow and what brand sd card?13:16
fcrozathttp://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot13:17
fcrozatsandisk card IIRC13:17
Stskeepssize?13:17
fcrozatgot kernel panic, it couldn't find root13:17
fcrozat8GB :)13:17
fcrozatSDHC card13:17
fcrozatcould it be related ?13:17
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fcrozat(and btw, reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't override uboot on the system, I still get the question at startup)13:18
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Stskeepsfcrozat: how about kernel and kernel-flasher?13:18
Stskeepsfcrozat: is your back cover on?13:19
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fcrozatStskeeps: hmm, I don't think the cover was back in its place13:19
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fcrozatI was using plain 1.3 system (no kernel change)13:19
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fcrozat(I don't have the SD card here, so I'll need to re-check tonight with the cover)13:20
Stskeepsthat's probably why then13:20
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fcrozatthen I'll modify the wiki :)13:20
fcrozat"make sure to put back the cover " ;)13:20
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fcrozatshould re-installing kernel-flasher override uboot from boot loader ?13:21
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djszapiStskeeps: hi, I saw your posts about nokia n810 and meego, does it work perfectly, pdf viewers, usb network and so on ?13:37
Stskeepsyes and it has pink ponies too13:37
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Stskeepsin practice, no, we're not there at all13:37
djszapiouch13:38
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dm8tbrlet's see if _MeeGoBot_ still triggers on c++13:47
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dm8tbrok, hopefully fixed now13:47
CosmoHill_MeeGoBot_ << "Hello" << endl;13:48
_MeeGoBot_CosmoHill: Sorry, I've no idea what '<< "Hello" << endl;' might be.13:48
CosmoHilli forgot to declare the namespace13:48
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CosmoHillI don't want to ride my bike in that13:55
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FunkyPenguinhas anyone got the meego-panel-web source tarball?14:36
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FunkyPenguinive tried the srpm, but it looks like the tarball in there is corrupt14:37
CosmoHilltry downloading it again14:37
Stskeepsfile a bug14:37
CosmoHilland check the checksum14:37
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CosmoHillcyas14:41
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lcukdl9pf_, where did the recent toolchain meeting you posted minutes for actually occur?15:18
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dl9pf_telco15:28
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lcukdl9pf_, cool, thanks for posting, but could you indicate that in other logs - i went looking for the actual log on #meego-meeting to see if i had missed it there15:30
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dl9pf_lcuk: yes, ack.15:58
ccookeJust to check... The expectation is still that the first meego phone will be out sometime around the middle of next year, right?15:59
Stskeepswell, we have the n900 ;p16:00
ccooke*grin*16:00
ccookeand I plan to try that out, yeah :-)16:00
ccookebut I have one phone due an upgrade in a week and another around the middle-to-end of next year16:01
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ccookeand I'm wondering if I should grab an android phone to see how it's improved now, and leave the meego one until it's out :-)16:01
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ccookehmm. I guess I should at least wait until after the conference :-)16:02
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DJWillisStskeeps: what's the current Meego drops like on the N900 actually using it as a real phone/device?16:03
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StskeepsDJWillis: it's not dogfood material yet but a very cool tech demo16:04
ccookeStskeeps: nice.16:04
DJWillisStskeeps: got a sudden urge to try and get 1.1 going on the Joggler with EMGD but not sure I really want the pain ;).16:04
DJWillisStskeeps: cool, may have to try and get hold of an N900 again or bring it up again on the OpenPandora.16:05
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StskeepsDJWillis: people already have meego on openpandora, afaik16:05
Stskeepsthere's a stupid fonts issue though16:05
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DJWillisStskeeps: yep, I was bouncing ideas about that back and forward but not sure if it was solved. Been a while since I tried it as I have been working on the devices shipping firmware (so OE/Angstrom).16:07
StskeepsDJWillis: feel free to track #meego-arm , the new cool place ;)16:07
DJWillisStskeeps: Danke! ;-)16:08
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Stskeepswe work in the open so there's usually a lot of activity, at least during the day..16:08
ccookeStskeeps: but you don't have any more idea about hardware than anyone else, I guess? :-16:09
ccooke)16:09
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Stskeepsccooke: i'm blissfully ignorant of any hardware plans16:10
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ccookeStskeeps: *grin*16:10
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slaineBig Inte SmartTV ads about the place16:34
slaineIntel16:34
slaineIs that GoogleTV only are is there a MeeGo twist that I've not seen yet16:34
Stskeepsslaine: i'm actually not sure16:34
Stskeepsslaine: i think it's a concept, but let me know if you find out more16:35
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slainewill do16:35
slaineperhaps theres something pending16:35
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slainefor ref, http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/smarttv/index.htm?dfaid=1&crtvid=39147462;16:35
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StskeepsLearn more about Intel, Google, Sony and Logitech joining forces to deliver smart TV16:36
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dnearyHi all16:45
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Stskeepsafternoon dneary - great article :)16:45
dnearyStskeeps, Thanks16:46
dnearyI tried to be balanced16:46
dnearyDon't know if I succeeded :)16:46
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Stskeepsonly thing i noted a bit was the kernel option stuff, but i guess that's also a complicated issue to explain16:46
Stskeepsthere was another interesting article published today, sec..16:47
Stskeepshttp://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/16:47
Stskeepsin terms of platform challenges16:47
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Stskeepsmorn qgil16:51
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marnanellcuk: you said you might be able to find me the repo lines I'm missing to save me a full reinstall16:58
GAN900Why do all of the interesting things appear on Monday, AFTER mwkn has been published.16:58
StskeepsGAN900: because it's monday?16:58
GAN900Evidently16:59
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GAN900Maybe worth pushing back the release day.16:59
BostikGAN900: because there is a huge crunch to publish anything worthwhile on friday by noon, which leaves extra hours to delve into the more ... inquisitive and thoughtful subjects?16:59
GAN900Wasn't a serious question. :P17:01
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lcukmarnanel, i just mailed you the contents of my /etc/zypp/repos.d folder to let you compare repos i have vs the ones you have17:07
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villevthis is a wrong channel to ask this, but - if I lost my credit card and will get a replacement soon, will the card number still be the same?17:10
villevso, will e.g. hotels be able to use the credentials for the card17:10
X-Fadevillev: No, it will change.17:11
villevcrap17:11
Myrttivillev: that's kind of the whole idea of them issuing a new card17:11
X-Fadevillev: But it should not matter too much. They have either used your card to pre-auth a certain amount, or they did nothing.17:11
X-FadeEhm or charged the full amount already, I mean.17:12
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villevyeah, problem is I'd wanted to use the cart today/tomorrow17:12
villevbut, I guess I'll need to use another card then (while waiting for the new one)17:12
X-FadeYeah, that won't work then.17:12
X-FadeNot until you have the new number and activated the card.17:13
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jsargioxHi everyone18:22
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jsargioxdoes anyone know where I can find/download the kernel sources for release 1.1?18:24
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thiagorepo.meego.com18:25
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jsargiox@thiago... i'm browsing through the repo and... i can't find the package kernel sources...19:15
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Stskeepscalled kernel-*.src.pm19:16
Stskeepsrpm19:16
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jsargioxis this path correct? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/19:18
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aukejsargiox: correct for what? what are you looking for?19:19
jsargioxkernel sources for MeeGo 1.119:19
maxsofthi all. can MeeGO surf on internet?19:20
maxsoftops sorry! :) I mean... MeeGO IVI19:20
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aukeIVI has fennec, so yeah, it has a web browser19:20
aukejsargiox: kernel sources for netbook is what you need?19:21
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jsargioxyes...  i'm trying to recompile the kernel to allow access to nfs...19:21
aukejsargiox: look here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/19:22
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jsargioxauke: that's it!19:22
jsargioxauke: thanks!19:23
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maxsoftis geolocation supported by Fennec on MeeGO?19:28
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dnearyqgil, Ping?19:34
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Alison_ChaikenSaw this morning on MIT mailing list that Tesla Motors is hiring folks to work on IVI.   Would be cool if Tesla used MeeGo!19:38
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Meklbt: ping19:45
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qgilfist stab to http://wiki.meego.com/Roadmap - waiting for content owners now. If you know of any page with roadmaps / plans please link it there20:01
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lbtif you have an apple tree outside and you have a lot of apples that you want to store... it's hard to find answers on the internet...21:40
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thiago_homecould be worse21:41
thiago_homeyou could be trying to find a grocery store that sells apples21:41
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Stskeepslbt: bogna's father stores apples in a cold (10 C or colder) basement with ventilation and in cardboard boxes and it hasn't killed them yet.. they also make 'dry applets' or juice, though21:43
Stskeepserr, dry apples21:43
lbtmmmm ... are they just "in boxes" .... no wrapping up or anything?21:44
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Stskeepsjust standing in the boxes (you know, without closed top)21:45
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andre__Stskeeps knows how to store apples as we've been doing the same here for decades :)21:48
lcukgreat, now we know where everyone can put their unused ipods and stuff21:49
Stskeepswell, my father in law has a degree in food sciences, so i have to listen to his things.. :P21:49
Stskeepsmakes -excellent- wine, perfect for getting drunk :P21:49
RST38hCardboard or wooden crates, lots of old newspapers, wrap each apple into a crumpled newspaper, make sure there isa lot of pper between them21:50
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thiago_homeDawnFoster: did you like the chocolate?21:51
andre__...while my family just has a huge garden :)21:51
RST38hSame should work for i-stuff =)21:51
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lbtapples boxed21:52
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Stskeepshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11713192 <- well, seems like symbian foundation is dead21:56
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wmaroneconsidering the necessary elements of a foundation kinda walked away, I'm not surprised21:56
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javispedrorepeating story again?21:57
ScottishDuckoh how shocking just when everyone started to like symbian21:57
cropethis was rather good analysis about symbian: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/11/08/guest-post-symbian-os-one-of-the-most-successful-failures-in-tech-history/21:58
Stskeepsyeah, thought so too - we have to walk a fine line in meego too though21:58
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AranelStskeeps: for some reason, Conversations chat window looks kinda messed up for a reason when using hildon-theme-example, is it a known bug?21:58
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StskeepsAranel: you'll have to ask the theme guys.. pr1.2 or pr1.3?22:00
AranelStskeeps: 1.322:00
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CosmoHillI think all my phones have been symbian22:00
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AranelStskeeps: can't I revert back to original layout? which is already in use for default theme?22:01
andre__Aranel, what is "messed up"?22:01
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Aranelandre__: Stskeeps: here it is: http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png there's a very ugly scrollbar, touch scrolling doesn't work and avatar/bubble layout looks bad.22:02
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StskeepsAranel: did you reboot?22:05
StskeepsAranel: also, .. are you using the example raw?22:05
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StskeepsAranel: there hasn't been any changes since january 29 of the stuff i used22:05
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AranelStskeeps: I got the hildon-theme-example-stskeeps but I customized it to create my own theme.22:06
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AranelStskeeps: oops, no :| I didn't reboot.22:06
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DawnFosterthiago_home: it was delicious! Thank you!22:28
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qgilhttp://qa-reports.meego.com/ cool22:34
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AranelStskeeps: rebooted, still same.22:37
StskeepsAranel: hmm.22:38
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StskeepsAranel: white background attempt in theme?22:38
thiago_homeDawnFoster: shall I bring some more to Dublin?22:38
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AranelStskeeps: nope It's grey.22:39
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StskeepsAranel: well, ask the Design section on talk.maemo.org22:39
AranelStskeeps: here's a screenshot: http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png22:39
Stskeeps:nod: i have no idea, sorry22:39
Aranelok, thanks anyway.22:39
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DawnFosterthiago_home: probably not - I'm already running extra miles to burn that first batch off ;)22:40
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rhalffhi does meego support the archos 9, in ubuntu I use a poulsbo driver, but I have high hopes for the intel embedded graphics driver22:43
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px_but... this just in (in french) http://qt.developpez.com/actu/23148/Symbian-devient-l-OS-embarque-Europeen-Bruxelles-versera-11-millions-d-Euros-a-sa-Fondation-les-anglo-saxons-ne-comprennent-pas22:46
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px_It says here that Europe capital E will give 11M€ to "The Symbian Foundation"..?22:47
Stskeepswell, symbian foundation still continues as a licensing thing, i guess22:47
* rhalff *joins symbian foundation*22:48
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RST38hStskeeps:Probably won't live until next fall22:50
RST38hStskeeps:Looks like that EU grant is solely to give Symbian people timeto find new jobs :)22:50
thiago_homepx_: it's not just in... the news are from last week22:50
thiago_homebut the number last week was 22 M€22:50
RST38h22 million / 100 people = 220k/person22:51
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berndhsmassive inflation in euroland? 50% in 1 week22:51
RST38hWhich probably comes down to the annual salary + taxes + expenses for one employee22:52
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rhalffmeego for netbooks include the iegd driver also ?22:58
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aukerhalff: no23:03
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rhalffauko, hm ok, will stick with moblin then, the driver seems to work fine, only a bit blueish unfortunatly23:04
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rhalffor maybe that's the way xfce behaves (i hope) :)23:05
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* rhalff it is23:05
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aukeMeeGo doesn't ship Xfce23:07
aukeit's not even in the MeeGo official repos anymore23:08
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RST38hauke:My version came with twm =)23:08
rhalffauke, that intel driver is weird I think, only meebo 2.1 seems to be supported, it works great though23:08
aukeevery version that has X has twm23:09
rhalffbut I have no network, and I miss apt-get to get it running23:09
aukewhat is "meebo" ?23:09
rhalffguess I have to switch to fedora23:09
rhalffuhh, moblin23:09
rhalffwhat's in a name.. :p23:09
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AranelI got a very odd problem. In Conversations window, a scrollbar appeared and touch scrolling is not working anymore. http://i55.tinypic.com/2vw6adt.png Google'd about it but couldn't find anything.23:43
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