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| X-Fade | auke: Can you remove that repo and add it again? | 00:05 |
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| auke | k... | 00:05 |
| X-Fade | auke: It didn't have a prjcfg yet :) | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: is cbuild 'open' yet or not? :P | 00:06 |
| Stskeeps | as in regular user updates | 00:06 |
| auke | X-Fade: ok now it's rebuilding | 00:06 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: I'm on it - just put xfce4 in there | 00:06 |
| auke | there's a few more ppl interested in putting some stuff out there | 00:07 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: No, not open yet. | 00:07 |
| auke | X-Fade: ahh 1.1 isn't resolving | 00:07 |
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| X-Fade | And the performance is so bad that we really need to check some more configuration issues. | 00:07 |
| auke | X-Fade: I assume we don't have 1.1-base repo's setup yet? | 00:07 |
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| X-Fade | auke: Hmm 1.1 should work, let me check the logs. | 00:08 |
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| X-Fade | auke: Ah you mean Extras? | 00:10 |
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| X-Fade | auke: Ah found the issue. Yes, import issue. Need to fix that :) | 00:16 |
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| auke | X-Fade: I like this. I complain, you fix things. That's a really good relationship! | 00:24 |
| lbt_in_hel | hehe | 00:24 |
| * lbt_in_hel investigates nick hihjacking... | 00:25 | |
| Aard | lbt_in_hel: are you in hell, or still in helsinki? :) | 00:25 |
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| lbt_in_hel | ? | 00:25 |
| lbt_ | cough | 00:25 |
| lbt_in_hel | hehe | 00:25 |
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| Aard | (or both) | 00:26 |
| lbt_in_hel | Aard: doesn't make sense? | 00:26 |
| lbt_in_hel | Aard: implies a difference | 00:26 |
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| Aard | helsinki is colder, and closer to a nice place to live? :) | 00:27 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | is there a way to get the virtual keyboard under Handset 1.1 ? | 00:28 |
| * lbt_in_hel really quite likes Helsinki | 00:30 | |
| Aard | lbt_in_hel: just another ordinary big european city | 00:32 |
| lbt_in_hel | the area around here is quite pleasant | 00:33 |
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| lbt_in_hel | lock | 00:34 |
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| lbt_in_hel | sry... touchpad moved focus | 00:34 |
| Aard | you should visit me in jyvaskyla some day. _that's_ a pleasant area :) | 00:35 |
| X-Fade | auke: Zal er morgen verder naar kijken, wil graag voor middernacht naar bed want ik moet om zes uur al weer er uit ;) | 00:38 |
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| auke | X-Fade: aaaaaalright then you can go to bed | 00:50 |
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| DawnFoster | *thankful for Google Translate* :) | 00:54 |
| X-Fade | DawnFoster: Hehe, that tool is getting too smart. Now we lose our secret language advantage :) | 00:56 |
| DawnFoster | hey! I thought you were going to bed? | 00:56 |
| X-Fade | Not yet midnight ;) | 00:57 |
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| DawnFoster | I always wonder how much of the google translated text is accurate and which parts are mangled | 00:57 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:45 |
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| v2px | what kind of netbooks are you guys using for development/testing? | 06:09 |
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| stiv2k | hi | 06:42 |
| stiv2k | i am unable to install meego 1.1 | 06:42 |
| stiv2k | i tell it to remove all existing partitions and do the default layout and it says lvm is not supported? | 06:42 |
| stiv2k | what should i do? | 06:42 |
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| stiv2k | the device format of /dev/sda2: lvmpv is not supported | 06:44 |
| stiv2k | thats what it says exactly | 06:44 |
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| karthik | hey guys | 07:01 |
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| Guest82147 | anybody worked on new SDK, i am unable to find startmeego | 07:01 |
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| lolloo | so I found a way to do triple boot with my N900 | 07:07 |
| lolloo | 1-meeGo 2-Nitdroid 3-maemo | 07:07 |
| lolloo | to boot to MeeGo I used U-boot-pr13 | 07:08 |
| lolloo | when I want to boot to Nitdroid I simply interrupt U-boot | 07:08 |
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| lolloo | and then it goes to multiboot where I choose nitdroid or maemo | 07:09 |
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| ice_ | Hi, who knows about meego IVI version? | 07:10 |
| lolloo | I have it on my N900 | 07:10 |
| lolloo | also with maemo and nitdroid | 07:10 |
| lolloo | in one phone | 07:10 |
| lolloo | with multiboot | 07:11 |
| ice_ | i found the ivihome not support multi-language, | 07:12 |
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| ice_ | when set the language to others except english, the ivihome tool bar displays the unrecognized code. But other applications such as terminal are ok, all menu text is translated correctly. | 07:15 |
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| anttu | is it possible to install firefox to meego? | 08:40 |
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| Jucato | anttu: handset ux uses it already (Firefox Mobile) | 09:21 |
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| erani | oh well :L I really hope that open-/libreoffice would be available from meego garage someday | 09:34 |
| sofar | I'm sure it'll end up in the community OBS | 09:35 |
| Myrtti | I must be a strange person but I wouldn't consider using even Abiword on a netbook | 09:36 |
| Myrtti | even less OpenOffice | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | vim++ | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | and LaTeX | 09:37 |
| sofar | people use meego on laptops | 09:37 |
| sofar | I do | 09:37 |
| * Jucato just had weird images of meego handset ux on a laptop >.< | 09:37 | |
| sofar | obviously not that UX :) | 09:37 |
| X-Fade | That is what I intend to run on mine though. | 09:37 |
| Jucato | I know. but I couldn't stop my brain from thinking it :D | 09:37 |
| Myrtti | sofar: and I wouldn't use OpenOffice on a laptop unless I'd be forced to. (And right now I am, so I had to install it, and abandon my Geany/LaTeX) | 09:37 |
| sofar | tbh I do not have office on my meego laptop installed | 09:38 |
| Jucato | I admire (and probably envy) people who hadn't had to deal with human-level word processing and just get away with using something like LaTeX :) | 09:38 |
| Myrtti | first day impressions: "argh has nobody killed that bloody light bulb yet? ARGH the indents and tabs are all wrong! Good grief this person doesn't know how to use styles! AAAAAAARRRGGGHGHHGHGHGHGH" | 09:39 |
| Myrtti | *bangbangbang* | 09:39 |
| Myrtti | the pain, it doesn't go away | 09:39 |
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| erani | heh. but I have to say that my gf gave a lot of compliments of the meego UI on my netbook. :P she mainly uses this pc for doing her schoolwork && web browsing, but my main point is that you could say that an office suite is actually a necessity for "normal", layman computer users. an easy installation procedure would be terrific. | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | erani: google docs... | 09:43 |
| erani | and no, doing it via terminal isn't. it might be for me and many others in here but for average joes :D | 09:43 |
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| Bostik | a sensible UI for LyX might be an interesting experiment there | 09:45 |
| erani | indeed :P | 09:45 |
| Myrtti | interesting compromise | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | LyX on a handset could be interesting | 09:47 |
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| adeus | well | 10:06 |
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| adeus | I don't know what benefit it would bring knowing the limited screen space | 10:07 |
| adeus | compared to just write LaTeX with anything | 10:07 |
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| pupnik_ | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/pulseaudio/commits/wsiv_swdev-stable is this sufficient progress in pulseaudio? | 10:15 |
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| pupnik_ | "The audio device is never closed during PA's runtime. That means it cannot | 10:24 |
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| pupnik_ | be powered down and PA will always consume a bit of CPU to write silence the | 10:24 |
| pupnik_ | device. Effectively that means it will shorten your battery life" | 10:24 |
| pupnik_ | - Lennart Poettering 2010-02-22 | 10:24 |
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| wangjan | did anybody meet the problem when start ots_worker? File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in <module> load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point retur | 10:38 |
| wangjan | File "/usr/local/bin/ots_worker", line 8, in <module> load_entry_point('ots.worker==0.1dev', 'console_scripts', 'ots_worker')() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 318, in load_entry_point return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name) File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2221, in load_entry_point return ep.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-package | 10:38 |
| wangjan | ImportError: No module named worker.worker | 10:39 |
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| Myrtti | cripes, it's that late already | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | more coffee! | 10:54 |
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| niala | Myrtti: late? I fell off the bed :) | 10:54 |
| Myrtti | almost lunchtime | 10:55 |
| niala | please a kiwi orange juice and a slice of honey Myrtti .. well have a good day | 10:58 |
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| linuxcentos | just wondering if there are any news about first mobile phone with Meego ? | 11:53 |
| linuxcentos | except N900 | 11:53 |
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| Myrtti | news? nos | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | rumours? plenty | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | apart from Aava, which is a developer platform, sold at 1900€ each the last I checked | 11:55 |
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| linuxcentos | Myrtti, mm. What?? Sold for 1900$? | 12:09 |
| linuxcentos | Myrtti, what's the rumors about next Meego phone then? | 12:10 |
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| Myrtti | linuxcentos: I don't repeat rumours | 12:13 |
| Myrtti | it's like the old parlor game of broken telephone, sometimes I suspect rumours are started just so that people can have fun with what they end up being | 12:14 |
| Tumi_ | I heard north-korean government was building a meego phone! | 12:18 |
| Tumi_ | that's one for a rumor =) | 12:19 |
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| pupnik_ | how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar? | 12:33 |
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| slaine | pupnik_: there's an intel gpu top tool for intel graphics chips | 12:35 |
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| pupnik_ | awesome slaine ! | 12:38 |
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| pupnik_ | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.tar.bz2 | 12:39 |
| slaine | yup, there should be an rpm in the meego repo's for them too | 12:39 |
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| linuxcentos | Myrtti, ok. When do you think i will be able to buy one Meego phone? | 12:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | Q1 2011? | 12:58 |
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| Myrtti | linuxcentos: there is a quote from the CEO that it'll be in Q1 of 2011 as psycho_oreos said, but I've often found CEO's to be somewhat detached from reality and giving estimates to make the press go away, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that information either | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | linuxcentos: short answer is "it'll come when it's ready" | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | and with estimates I mean numbers that be either too big or too small | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | or too vague | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | I've not heard anyone else than Nokia talk about a MeeGo phone, perhaps there is in some corner of the world someone else building one | 13:42 |
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| Myrtti | world is a mysterious place my friends | 13:43 |
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| slaine | Myrtti: LG Where originally looking at one, but I don't know if they're still interested or not | 13:43 |
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| slaine | (Was originally a Moblin device) | 13:44 |
| Myrtti | slaine: ah, forgot that | 13:44 |
| Myrtti | slaine: when was that again? | 13:44 |
| slaine | This time last year at the IDF it was demo'd | 13:44 |
| slaine | There's some footage on youtube | 13:44 |
| slaine | Then when meego was announced in February, LG where one of the first to say they'd have a MeeGo phone | 13:45 |
| slaine | Haven't really heard anything since though | 13:45 |
| slaine | It's been a busy year for me so haven't been as attentive as I'd have liked | 13:45 |
| Myrtti | slaine: I was sick on the announcment week and extremely busy after that so I've not followed up too well either | 13:48 |
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| erani | uh oh. has anyone else experienced some weird freezing with eeepc 1000h? or any other pc from eee-family | 14:18 |
| erani | somehow after boot the screen distorts and the whole system freezes and i have to do a total reboot | 14:19 |
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| erani | strangely, windows xp had same issues, but ubuntu didn't | 14:19 |
| slaine | If it's cross OS installs then it's possible you've got faulty hardware | 14:21 |
| CosmoHill | erani: maybe it's a hardware fault? | 14:22 |
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| erani | -.o' oh well, might be that. at first I thought it could be a driver issue but now to think about it again | 14:22 |
| * erani is meh | 14:22 | |
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| Sargun_Screen | has anyone here put meego on their n900 | 14:26 |
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| CosmoHill | yes, but I'm not one of them | 14:29 |
| CosmoHill | erani: try running memtest86 off a memory stick | 14:30 |
| chem|st | Sargun_Screen: had yes | 14:30 |
| Sargun_Screen | chem|st: why only had? | 14:32 |
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| erani | is there a command to see network hardware's log somehow? my wifi disconnects every now and then too. (I sincerely wish these all wouldn't be hw issues...) | 14:34 |
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| CosmoHill | your network or internet connection? | 14:34 |
| chem|st | Sargun_Screen: far away from usable for me, cannot use wpa2-enterprise, gsm does not support pinlocked sim etc | 14:35 |
| erani | CosmoHill: might be good to see them both, as I don't know if it is just because of the connection or hw | 14:35 |
| chem|st | erani: you can check with another distributions live pendrive (or just pendrivelinux) | 14:36 |
| CosmoHill | your wifi could be affected by distance and channel (interference) | 14:36 |
| erani | CosmoHill: yes, that's possible. right now I see about 20 AP's in this single lecture room... | 14:40 |
| erani | thanks, I'll look into these problems later this evening! | 14:41 |
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| CosmoHill | erani: ah | 14:53 |
| CosmoHill | it's likely you are within range of 2 or 3 APs but they broadcast multiple wifi networks | 14:54 |
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| linuxcentos | Myrtti, ok, thx | 14:59 |
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| Myrtti | these are the moments when I wonder does my dark mysterious past as a wikipedia admin show | 14:59 |
| linuxcentos | is there plans for Meego to support other than Intel graphic cards? | 14:59 |
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| chem|st | linuxcentos: what do you need? | 15:02 |
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| linuxcentos | chem|st, freedom to use Meego not limited to Intel stuff | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | linuxcentos: install the right libGL* :) | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | linuxcentos: you are free to port any drivers you like! | 15:05 |
| chem|st | linuxcentos: btw nvidia and intel are shagging in the laundry room from time to time... | 15:06 |
| linuxcentos | Stskeeps, then it will work | 15:07 |
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| linuxcentos | Stskeeps, what about the installation? it won't fail on none Intel gfx cards | 15:08 |
| linuxcentos | chem|st, i didn't get your point about Intel and Nvidia? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | linuxcentos: brew your own installation image | 15:08 |
| linuxcentos | Stskeeps, ohh, well | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: no generic driver for basic 2D? | 15:10 |
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| erani | hmmh, I tried installing openoffice with this instruction: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=537 yet I'm experiencing some issues with eror message: "Unable to access jar JavaSetup.jar" | 15:12 |
| erani | I noticed that there's no java yet for meego, so is that instruction an old one? | 15:13 |
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| erani | jarfile* | 15:13 |
| moorelee | Hi ... if I want to contribute to meego as a QA , where do I start from ? I find no relevant info from the webpages. can anyone guide me? | 15:14 |
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| Myrtti | yyyyyy ate too much chocolate | 15:18 |
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| Myrtti | moorelee: there's a mailing list... | 15:18 |
| moorelee | Myrtti : which one is it ? | 15:19 |
| Myrtti | moorelee: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-qa | 15:19 |
| moorelee | Myrrti : Thanx. Will check on that. | 15:20 |
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| GAN900 | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | Fill yours in if you'd like. | 16:08 |
| Lynoure | Cannot go :( | 16:09 |
| Lynoure | Sucks. :( | 16:09 |
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| CosmoHill | ha! | 16:14 |
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| erani | has anyone managed to install openoffice in meego 1.1? | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | meego sdk using xepyhr - is the video player meant to work or be white screened? | 17:10 |
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| CosmoHill | salut Alison_Chaiken | 17:15 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Hyvaa huomenta, CosmoHill. | 17:15 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Today is my 3rd-to-last-day at $CURRENTJOB. I downloaded DawnFoster 's ebook and plan to read it instead of working. | 17:16 |
| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: sounds like a productive way to procrastinate :) (hope you enjoy it) | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | my client split that up into two lines and I read it as "I downloaded DawnFoster" | 17:17 |
| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: what are you going to be doing next, since you only have 3 days left at the current gig? | 17:19 |
| matrixx | it's because it really has a space between DawnFoster and 's :) | 17:19 |
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| CosmoHill | ah lol | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: you know I talked to you a bit about motivation. I've kinda taken your approach only instead of doing a 2 hour section I'll listen to a CD | 17:20 |
| CosmoHill | when the CD finishes I'll do something else for a bit | 17:20 |
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| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: sounds like a good way to time it! | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | at the moment it sounds like Battle for the Sun my Placebo | 17:22 |
| CosmoHill | *by | 17:22 |
| kt_ | I will try my luck here with a jack detection/sensing question. I have also posted it at the mailing-list: http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg07853.html | 17:23 |
| kt_ | I have made some simple code that should show if headphones are plugged into my pc or not. It works fine on my Ubuntu PC: http://pastebin.com/jwV8NJjk | 17:23 |
| kt_ | It looks for "Jack" in /dev/input/*" and finds: jack found at /dev/input/event13 (HDA Intel HP Out at Ext Left Jack) | 17:23 |
| kt_ | If I do the same thing in Meego it does not find "Jack" | 17:23 |
| kt_ | Now I am kind of lost. | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps the module for it is not there? | 17:24 |
| CosmoHill | lsmod | 17:24 |
| kt_ | The code is based on: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/ohm-plugins-misc/blobs/master/plugins/accessories/wired.c | 17:24 |
| kt_ | CosmoHill, when i run the lsmod command i do not get something that looks like a sound card in the list | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps it's not enabled in the kernel - does normal sound work? | 17:26 |
| kt_ | The audio is working | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | what chip is it ? | 17:26 |
| CosmoHill | lspci | 17:27 |
| kt_ | thanks, i was just trying to remember it :-) | 17:28 |
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| kt_ | Intel 82801G, HDA rev 2 | 17:28 |
| kt_ | Aspire One 250 PC | 17:29 |
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| kt_ | CosmoHill, Stskeeps, do you have some advice/suggestions on what to do+ | 17:33 |
| kt_ | ? | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | kt_: google for jack detection 82801g is what i'd do | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's just a kernel setting not enabled | 17:33 |
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| kt_ | i will do some searching | 17:38 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | DawnFoster, I'm going to work with Tom Miller in Nokia Mobility Solutions here in SF Bay Area. I look forward to working with all of you at Intel and to meeting a lot of you in Dublin. I already met Arup Gupta at an IEEE event here last year. | 18:05 |
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| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: awesome! congrats on the new job, and I look forward to working with you! | 18:06 |
| Alison_Chaiken | On a more technical note, has anyone figured out how to use the virt-* tools with qemugl? virt-manager, for example, only knows about qemu and xen. | 18:07 |
| * CosmoHill is doing research the global usage of mobile phones and internet access | 18:08 | |
| smoku | ln -s qemugl qemu ? | 18:09 |
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| erani | CosmoHill: sounds interesting | 18:14 |
| CosmoHill | it's taken my 3 weeks to get started :/ | 18:15 |
| smoku | X-Fade, any progress with community OBS? | 18:15 |
| CosmoHill | son of a bitch, I make a phone call and "low battery" comes up | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | I had 3 bars when I made the call | 18:17 |
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| Myrtti | sounds like a Nokia phone | 18:20 |
| Myrtti | shake it a bit, it should gain atleast one bar | 18:20 |
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| CosmoHill | i think my battery is dying faster and faster | 18:21 |
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| CosmoHill | it would be very nice if my phone could be charged via USB | 18:23 |
| CosmoHill | if I wanted to connect my phone to the PC right now I'd need to move the charger over too because it's low on battery | 18:23 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | is "!!FOO" being used as some sort of i18n marker? | 18:36 |
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| auke | TSCHAKeee2: yes | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee2: usually means 'untranslated' | 18:46 |
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| slonopotamus | FUU!! :D | 18:46 |
| auke | no !!FUU | 18:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | okay, is this for i18n keys that are...gotcha. | 18:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | figured | 18:46 |
| auke | smoku: community OBS is operational and public deployment is underway | 18:46 |
| auke | let's say it's in "beta" | 18:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | did anyone notice the media player's rolodex is a bit hard to tap on? ;) | 18:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | or...any of media player's UI for that matter | 18:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | what UX? | 18:48 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | Stskeeps: Handset | 18:49 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i've been trying to use handset and am starting to make some UI notes | 18:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | the buttons in the media player are _insanely_ small | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | report them as bugs | 18:50 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | *nod* was looking through to see if it had already been reported. | 18:51 |
| smoku | auke, any plans on moving Maemo OBS accounts? | 18:51 |
| auke | smoku: is not going to happen | 18:52 |
| auke | smoku: community OBS uses meego.com account information | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: it's bloody simple to transfer a project from one obs to another | 18:52 |
| smoku | auke, that's even better :) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | if you meant content | 18:52 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps, yes. I'm more concerned with content :) | 18:53 |
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| smoku | auke, any plans on shutting down Maemo OBS? i.e. should I backup my packages today? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: i haven't heard of any, but backups are always good | 18:54 |
| auke | I'm working on MeeGo. I don't know anything about Maemo | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't looked recently, but do we have non-restricted wireframe-like artwork packages? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | for people to customize | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | woo. 360 packages built for my armv6+vfp meego port (which obviously isn't real meego) | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | why they shouldn't? | 18:56 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 19:02 |
| xDaReaperx | is there a torrent file for the meego handset release 1.1 for N900 | 19:03 |
| xDaReaperx | cause i cant download it directly | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ ? | 19:03 |
| xDaReaperx | can't find a torrent file there | 19:04 |
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| smoku | what are the plans for MeeGo Tablet UI? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's a better target for dl'ing from | 19:05 |
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| xDaReaperx | ok | 19:05 |
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| xDaReaperx | Meego still can't be installed without SD card right ? | 19:06 |
| xDaReaperx | i mean even with u-boot | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | right | 19:06 |
| xDaReaperx | i hope the debian one works | 19:07 |
| xDaReaperx | anyways thanks | 19:07 |
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| erani | oh well, experiencing some strange hiccups again... now there's a white-gray bar at the bottom of the screen with a height of ~20px and I can't remove it anyways, but fullscreen programs seem to adjust their borders by it. so it just takes room from my display. reboot isn't helping... O.o | 19:45 |
| erani | remove it *in any way | 19:45 |
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| erani | oh, and now the computer goes to sleep even if sleep mode is turned off from power settings. and as I previously said, it freezes when it goes to sleep :L | 20:04 |
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| erani | meh, wonder if there's a settings file where I could change a value of a parameter or a variable manually | 20:06 |
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| dvoid_ | lo | 20:22 |
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| dvoid_ | sugestion, make favorite icons (in netbook gui) remember started applications (like in maemo) | 20:23 |
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| auke | dvoid_: suggestions should be filed as bugzilla feature enhancements | 20:29 |
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| dvoid_ | auke, ooh, i was hoping my sugestion was so awsome that you guys would just implement it right now ;) | 20:31 |
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| Skyscraper | has anyone the shrewvpn_2.2.0_armel.deb from http://www.meego.de/forum/howtos/10848-howto-n900-mit-shrew-vpn-und-fritzbox-ueber-umts.html ? | 20:51 |
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| saorel | Hello | 21:20 |
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| saorel | I've just seen the news about meego 1.1 | 21:21 |
| saorel | and i've a question | 21:21 |
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| saorel | can i install meego on my sony ericson vivaz pro? | 21:21 |
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| CosmoHill | that a laptop? | 21:26 |
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| auke | http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-supported-hardware | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | hey auke, how's it going? | 21:27 |
| auke | good | 21:27 |
| auke | busy as hell | 21:28 |
| saorel | CosmoHill: no that's a phone | 21:28 |
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| saorel | this phone use symbian 6 | 21:28 |
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| saorel | it looks like n900 | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | there is no such version of Symbian | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | however | 21:32 |
| Myrtti | according to gsmarena, it uses Symbian s60v5 | 21:32 |
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| saorel | I don't find spec of my phone, someone has an idee to test? | 21:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | saorel: we only have builds for the AAVA CDK, and the Nokia N900 | 21:38 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | saorel: and at this point, if you're asking these questions, and aren't a systems developer, this version of Handset is not for you. | 21:39 |
| saorel | TSCHAKeee2: :'( ok thanks a lot | 21:39 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | why are you crying? ... Everything is still in development. Even if it did work on your phone, you can't use it day to day. | 21:40 |
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| saorel | yes :D I like test everything, and i like qt so much :D so i'm impatient to try it :D Sorry for my tears :) with a smile that's better :D | 21:42 |
| saorel | I'll come back in few minutes | 21:43 |
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| vis | hi | 21:56 |
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| vis | I'm having some trouble getting Meego running in virtualbox. I've converted the img to a vdi, and set it as a hard drive image. The live mode freezes with the error "mount: / not mounted already, or bad option" | 21:57 |
| vis | anyone know why? | 21:57 |
| vis | I've also tried an install onto a seperate, new disk image. It worked fine, rebooted onto that disk, but froze at the end of the new user setup | 21:58 |
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| vis | with no error that time. | 21:58 |
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| Guest27402 | i'm looking for the KickStart file for building meego in a Beagleboard/DevKit8000. but in the meego-Wiki the linkls to the files are broken. Does anybody knows if the project is still being support? | 22:00 |
| wmarone | might want to ask in #meego-arm | 22:00 |
| stephg | Guest27402: hop on over to #meego-arm AFAIK people are still tinkering with it | 22:00 |
| Guest27402 | stephg: thanks | 22:02 |
| Guest27402 | wmarone: i will look there thaks | 22:02 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | HI | 22:14 |
| wa7ed_6yb | HLLLOOOO | 22:14 |
| wa7ed_6yb | HELLOOOO | 22:14 |
| wa7ed_6yb | @@ | 22:15 |
| wa7ed_6yb | NO BODY THERE | 22:15 |
| Myrtti | what's up? | 22:15 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | HELLLOOOO | 22:15 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ?? | 22:15 |
| wa7ed_6yb | I'm from kuwait | 22:15 |
| wa7ed_6yb | and i have N900 | 22:16 |
| Myrtti | a-ha? | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | you also have coffee by the sound of it | 22:16 |
| wa7ed_6yb | !! | 22:16 |
| wa7ed_6yb | :S | 22:16 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | you want me laugh?? | 22:17 |
| wa7ed_6yb | @@ | 22:17 |
| Myrtti | can you please not use the enter-key so much? | 22:17 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | i tuaght this is a meego channel | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | this is the meego channel | 22:17 |
| wa7ed_6yb | so why you are not speak well with me | 22:18 |
| wa7ed_6yb | !! | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | you haven't asked a question | 22:18 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i have a lot of questions | 22:19 |
| wa7ed_6yb | but i think that i have to say hi at the first!!!!! | 22:19 |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, did you add the "meego support" fee onto your ISP account bill? | 22:19 |
| wa7ed_6yb | no i don't | 22:19 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | how old are you? | 22:19 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i'm not developer | 22:20 |
| wa7ed_6yb | 21 | 22:20 |
| Myrtti | wa7ed_6yb: calm down and ask your questions then | 22:20 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i'm only love maemo now and i hope that meego will be better | 22:20 |
| wa7ed_6yb | Myrtti i'm not talking with u !!!!! @@ | 22:20 |
| Myrtti | alrighty then... | 22:21 |
| wa7ed_6yb | nothing | 22:21 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, does you 770 still see action? | 22:21 |
| wa7ed_6yb | this is not ur channel | 22:21 |
| wmarone | wa7ed_6yb: not yours either ;) | 22:21 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | i know that | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | wa7ed_6yb: actually... | 22:22 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: it's in Cambs in Duncan's bedside drawer, and my N800 is fairly dead at the moment | 22:22 |
| wa7ed_6yb | and i respect my self here | 22:22 |
| wa7ed_6yb | but Myrtti didn't respect guests | 22:22 |
| lcuk | whats it doing in the drawer? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, Myrtti is more respectful than many folks around here | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: > me | 22:23 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: waiting for his "Big Idea" | 22:23 |
| wa7ed_6yb | you want me to leave this channel | 22:23 |
| lcuk | not at all wa7ed_6yb | 22:23 |
| wa7ed_6yb | because all of u don't want me here :( | 22:23 |
| lcuk | of course we do, you came in with questions: so ask them | 22:23 |
| wmarone | o_O | 22:24 |
| Myrtti | wa7ed_6yb: so, you've said hello, I've said hello, you've said "I've got questions" and we've asked you to ask them | 22:24 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | first, what is new on meego better than maemo? | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | you want the short or the long answer? | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | short, then long | 22:25 |
| wa7ed_6yb | short | 22:25 |
| auke | a lot | 22:25 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i see now maemo is the best | 22:25 |
| lcuk | maemo is completely awesome you are right | 22:25 |
| auke | I agree | 22:25 |
| lcuk | but maemo will not run on oodles of hardware :( | 22:25 |
| wa7ed_6yb | and i feel comfortable with it on browsing and applications games chatting | 22:26 |
| lcuk | meego will. | 22:26 |
| wa7ed_6yb | mmm | 22:26 |
| lcuk | if you want your favorite applications in meego, help out | 22:26 |
| auke | meego is still in heavy development, and may be less usable for normal users than Maemo | 22:26 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:26 |
| wa7ed_6yb | but i don't have any experiece | 22:27 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i only go on website mobil4arab | 22:27 |
| Myrtti | then wait for others to develop it further | 22:27 |
| lcuk | :) you are young enough to learn | 22:27 |
| wa7ed_6yb | and copy x-terminal commands | 22:27 |
| wa7ed_6yb | can i be developer? | 22:27 |
| * lcuk shudders | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, you can be anything you want to be. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | a whole life ahead of yourself. | 22:28 |
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| auke | everyone can be a meego developer | 22:28 |
| wa7ed_6yb | but i think it's vert difficult | 22:28 |
| wa7ed_6yb | specially with meego | 22:28 |
| lcuk | errr maybe not auke - have you seen GAN900's coding attempts :P | 22:28 |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, its very difficult anywhere to be a developer | 22:28 |
| wa7ed_6yb | thats right | 22:29 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | so how can i start? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | but just like in life, there are a range of roles and tasks which may suit you more | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | can you program? | 22:29 |
| wa7ed_6yb | program what?? | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | anything | 22:29 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | me only downloading from extra devel | 22:30 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | i think that you know osama007?? | 22:30 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, what coding attempts? | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | I mean to be a development it's pretty much a requirement that you can program? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | GAN900, my point. | 22:30 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: wrong | 22:30 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ? | 22:31 |
| lcuk | hey javispedro \o | 22:31 |
| Myrtti | documentation, graphics, themes, advocacy, events... | 22:31 |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, if you are overwhelmed by the thought of helping with programming, then read the instructions on how to get started and process them properly and try them out | 22:31 |
| Myrtti | community efforts | 22:31 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ok | 22:32 |
| lcuk | and if you encounter errors or omissions they can be fixed with your help of detailed bug reports | 22:32 |
| wa7ed_6yb | so where the instructions | 22:32 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ? | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | oh yes, filing bug reports | 22:32 |
| lcuk | wiki.meego.com | 22:32 |
| javispedro | hi lcuk, all | 22:32 |
| wa7ed_6yb | thanks | 22:32 |
| CosmoHill | hey javispedro | 22:32 |
| wa7ed_6yb | and i'm sorry fot annoying all | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 22:33 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 | 22:33 |
| wa7ed_6yb | thanks | 22:34 |
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| wa7ed_6yb | i'll be backk | 22:34 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | great | 22:34 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i'm sorry | 22:34 |
| CosmoHill | lol | 22:34 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ? | 22:34 |
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| CosmoHill | not many people apologise after saying that will return | 22:35 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i didn't understand | 22:35 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ? | 22:35 |
| CosmoHill | don;t worry | 22:35 |
| wa7ed_6yb | ok | 22:35 |
| wa7ed_6yb | i'll install meego1.1 on my n900 | 22:36 |
| lcuk | wa7ed_6yb, i have asked most people today: whats the weather like where you are? | 22:36 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | oh boy | 22:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | i wish there was a diplomatic way of saying | 22:37 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | "If you're asking these questions, you shouldn't use it yet." | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | maybe that should be the test | 22:37 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, bah | 22:37 |
| CosmoHill | you can help us develop for the N900 if you can install it without any help | 22:37 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, well thats me bollocked up then | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | me too, I bearly have a nokia | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i needed help to get it started, but that help also shaped more of the documentation | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | let alone a n900 | 22:38 |
| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, how many people can do a full install of mce? | 22:41 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we have roughly 1000 users. | 22:41 |
| CosmoHill | Windows has many users but most of them can't install an AV let alone Windows | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | i meant more fraction of people who manage it vs those that can't | 22:42 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | mostly the ones that don't, are the ones who deliberately don't follow instructions | 22:43 |
| * lcuk thinks documenting the processes and simplifying them is essential | 22:43 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yup it is | 22:43 |
| CosmoHill | indeed | 22:43 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it's taking us a long time to do both | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | well TSCHAKeee2 - talking about turning people away doesn't help that :P | 22:43 |
| cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... what about b43 support in 1.1 ?? | 22:44 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter05/generalinstructions.html | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | do you see the 3rd yellow box? | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | or the grey box at the bottom? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | "[!] Note, you must be wearing underpants before installing this software" ? | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | that's a recommendation, not a requirement | 22:45 |
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| CosmoHill | but yes, if you can read that page it makes you a minority | 22:45 |
| CosmoHill | lots of people skip over that page onto the next and then get stuck | 22:46 |
| Myrtti | my eyes glazed after four first words | 22:46 |
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| CosmoHill | also people thank me for my "hints" which are really just glorified sh scripts | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | ps CosmoHill | 22:47 |
| lcuk | that final greybox | 22:47 |
| lcuk | 3c | 22:47 |
| lcuk | says " c. Follow the book's instructions for building the package. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | " | 22:47 |
| lcuk | the it says delete it | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | a sadist might say, when does it get installed? | 22:48 |
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| CosmoHill | ah I see | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | each page installs it but I see what you mean | 22:48 |
| lcuk | the scariest part of that | 22:49 |
| lcuk | is i understand most of what its going on about! | 22:49 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | its pushed out so much good stuff tho | 22:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | me too, but it's very rough. | 22:49 |
| lcuk | however will i win at christmas simpsons trivia now! | 22:49 |
| CosmoHill | "rough"? that's very bad | 22:50 |
| lcuk | its an outline | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | TSCHAKeee2, perhaps similar newbies guide to how you can help" would be better to steer someone towards | 22:51 |
| lcuk | rather than pushing them away | 22:51 |
| CosmoHill | on LFS with some users, you can see people drop out of supporting them | 22:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | *nod* | 22:51 |
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| CosmoHill | so 5 or 6 people start helping them and it ends up with just me and the user in a very quiet channel | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, it happens everywhere | 22:53 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it does. | 22:53 |
| * lcuk used to go through phases with customers spending hours on the phone | 22:54 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | it has slowly been improving with us, as more people dig in and help | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | that's cool | 22:54 |
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| CosmoHill | we have a decent set of regulars, two of which I've promoted to ops | 22:54 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | we get a new dev that digs in roughly every 9 months | 22:54 |
| CosmoHill | 9 months you say...? | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yup | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | sounds organic ;-) | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | they typically work in 3 month stretches, then they go away for a bit, and come back | 22:55 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | where we really have issue is we have very few people willing to dig into the C++ parts of the code | 22:57 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | c++ is e-- ah, nevermind. | 22:57 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 chuckles | 22:57 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | but we did get a new guy, a few weeks ago who has been helping us smash bugs.. so i am glad | 22:57 |
| lcuk | hulk angry, | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | once we get the bugs out of our bug queue, i'll spend serious time writing site copy, documentation, | 22:58 |
| lcuk | hulk smash bugs | 22:58 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | hehehe | 22:58 |
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| dneary | Hi | 22:58 |
| lcuk | hi dneary \o | 22:58 |
| dneary | Anyone here know Valgrind well? | 22:58 |
| * lcuk opens a bottle of something | 22:59 | |
| dneary | lcuk, You do, I know you do | 22:59 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 runs for cover | 22:59 | |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, fly over to the UK, its evening time, you can start now! | 22:59 |
| lcuk | dneary, nope | 22:59 |
| dneary | lcuk, I bet you could explain how to profile an application & fix a performance issue with Valgrind | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i do not know valgrind because it did not work on arm | 22:59 |
| dneary | TSCHAKeee2, Are you going to Dublin? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i just made my code work when i did it | 23:00 |
| dneary | lcuk, You use it on x86 to find problems | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | dneary: nope, my travel budget has been completely deflated... | 23:00 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | i will make it to the next one tho. | 23:00 |
| dneary | Hmmm... still short a valgrind tutorialler | 23:00 |
| lcuk | dneary, that assumed that the x86 xephyr or qemu would use YUV which I needed | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i really have no experience with valgrind | 23:00 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: excellent idea :) | 23:01 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 has bounced around the planet going to concerts..and I have another 6 more to go, including seeing The Fall, in London on the 23rd | 23:01 | |
| lcuk | dneary, I will be running into valgrind more often tho :) | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, actually, if you just set your clock to Euro zone, you can say you are tele-drinking in a conference! | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | valgrind on arm was something i recall reading | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: yeah, it was completed not long ago | 23:05 |
| javispedro | well, "completed". | 23:06 |
| lcuk | the website is out of date also then | 23:06 |
| lcuk | http://valgrind.org/info/platforms.html | 23:06 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: how hard is the C++ you're talking about? | 23:07 |
| javispedro | http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dist.news.html | 23:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: it's not...hard.. there's just a lot of it | 23:13 |
| CosmoHill | ah | 23:13 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CosmoHill: we have a lot of interconnecting parts | 23:13 |
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