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| niala | in kickstart file the rule: keyboard fr doesn't work | 00:32 |
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| eikke | is there any general-purpose distribution which provides a working Meego 1.1 Netbook UX ? | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | eikke: not yet, MeeGo 1.1 only came out on thursday | 00:36 |
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| eikke | they could've been tracking development releases or something ;) | 00:37 |
| eikke | I really like the UI on my netbook, but need much more packages than what's provided by meego (as a distribution) | 00:38 |
| * niala think, if martien have invented computer, now we all speaking martien | 00:40 | |
| dwmw2_BOS | eikke: which packages? Should be easy enough to import... | 00:41 |
| dwmw2_BOS | isn't there even an open build system you can use? | 00:41 |
| eikke | dwmw2_BOS: mostly development stuff: gvim, the whole GHC Haskell platform and related stuff, a full-fledged Python development environment,... | 00:41 |
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| eikke | ideally I could run both 'normal' gnome sessions and meego sessions on my netbook, depending on what I'm doing | 00:42 |
| eikke | gnome for dev etc, meego for entertainment sessions | 00:42 |
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| ClaesBas | Which version of 1.1.80.x is known to "work/boot" on N900 (following the Wiki "Installing MeeGo to N900 on external MMC card")? | 01:07 |
| CosmoHill | yes version 1.1, this is the latest stable release | 01:09 |
| CosmoHill | v1.1.80x is the 1.2 alpha release | 01:09 |
| ClaesBas | CosmoHill: So v1.0.99.3... is 1.1? | 01:10 |
| sofar | pre-1.1 yes | 01:10 |
| CosmoHill | it's the beta | 01:10 |
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| ClaesBas | Exactly which one is 1.1 in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds ? | 01:11 |
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| CosmoHill | ClaesBas: the one called 1.1 | 01:11 |
| CosmoHill | it came out thursday | 01:11 |
| sofar | wrong folder | 01:11 |
| sofar | see /releases/ instead | 01:11 |
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| sofar | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/ | 01:11 |
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| ClaesBas | Somebody should change the Wiki! | 01:12 |
| sofar | it's a wiki, you can do it | 01:12 |
| sofar | which page? | 01:12 |
| dolp | 1.1 is pretty useless super slow and looks horrible :D | 01:12 |
| ClaesBas | But it seams like somebody knows allready how to do it! | 01:13 |
| sofar | again, which wiki page needs changing? | 01:13 |
| ClaesBas | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC pointing to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ | 01:13 |
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| ClaesBas | Maybe s/builds/release/ | 01:14 |
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| sofar | fixed. please proof read the change. | 01:14 |
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| ClaesBas | sofar: It looks better! | 01:16 |
| ClaesBas | sofar: Doesn't any of the dev-builds work with the "MMC method"? | 01:17 |
| CosmoHill | sofar: are you the person to talk to about the screen shots? | 01:17 |
| sofar | CosmoHill: prolly dawnfoster or mshaver | 01:18 |
| sofar | ClaesBas: did I say that anywhere? | 01:18 |
| * CosmoHill pokes DawnFoster | 01:18 | |
| sofar | afk | 01:19 |
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| ClaesBas | sofar: No, I was only curious.... | 01:19 |
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| dolp | claesbas: i tried 1.1.80.4 some days ago | 01:19 |
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| ClaesBas | dolp: Did you get more than a prompt? | 01:20 |
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| dolp | yep.. it ran ok | 01:21 |
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| ClaesBas | dolp: Did you do it the "MMC way"? | 01:21 |
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| dolp | ClaesBas: yep.. like this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Windows | 01:23 |
| dolp | and then http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Running_Meego | 01:25 |
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| ClaesBas | dolp: After the "flasher boot" (with or without U-key), did have to do anything and how long did it take to get some graphics on the screen? | 01:26 |
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| ClaesBas | s/did have/did you have/ | 01:27 |
| infobot | ClaesBas meant: dolp: After the "flasher boot" (with or without U-key), did you have to do anything and how long did it take to get some graphics on the screen? | 01:27 |
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| dolp | i pressed u-key and guess it didnt take long | 01:29 |
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| ClaesBas | I try it again... | 01:30 |
| dolp | tho before that i tried 1.1.80.3 version and it didnt work.. gave kernel panic. so no graphics there whatsoever.. | 01:30 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 01:46 |
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| ClaesBas | ni1s: The world is small.. i'm also at ...dre.sth.bostream.se | 01:50 |
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| jaafar | qmake on the meego sdk really wants to use something called "mmoc" instead of "moc". And of course, mmoc does not exist... Anyone seen this before? | 01:54 |
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| jaafar | OK, Mek just demonstrated that this stems from using the "meegotouch" option with CONFIG in your qmake .pro file. Bug? | 02:01 |
| thiago | no | 02:01 |
| sh0gunk0 | is there some MeeGo app repository already? | 02:02 |
| sh0gunk0 | with rpm packages? | 02:02 |
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| thiago | no, just repo.meego.com | 02:04 |
| Mek | not a bug? with CONFIG += meegotouch in your .pro file regardless of if you actually use meegotouch, meego-qt-creator fails to build anything for a meego target, with it it works fine | 02:04 |
| sh0gunk0 | repo.meego.com doesn't contain any aplication repositories as far I have checked | 02:04 |
| sh0gunk0 | the app repositories will be in there? I mean, in the future, on repo.meego.com | 02:05 |
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| jaafar | thiago: would love a workaround or some suggestion of how to do it right if it's something I'm doing... thanks | 02:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | anyway, it is possible to use fedora's repos now right? | 02:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | in meego | 02:07 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: nop | 02:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | why not :/ | 02:07 |
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| niala | because meego != fedora | 02:08 |
| ljp | hmm.. did a zypper update and now meego wont auto mount the sd card ;( or mount it at all through the gui | 02:08 |
| sh0gunk0 | so meego is now completely without any aplications :/ | 02:08 |
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| sh0gunk0 | look at maemo, you can get plenty of apps from debian arm repos | 02:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | I mean shell aplications | 02:09 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: you can add a repos fedora on ubuntu? or suse on fedora? | 02:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | but ubuntu uses apt-get and suse zypper if I am right | 02:10 |
| sh0gunk0 | fedora = yum, meego = yum | 02:10 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: yep you can add any rpm you want, but it can broke your os updates and so | 02:11 |
| niala | suse = rpm mandriva to | 02:11 |
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| jaafar | lacking any other alternative, I've just linked /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/targets/meego-core-armv7l-1.1/bin/moc to mmoc and moved on... strange that it doesn't work though | 02:12 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: you can build you own rpm (I know it's no really easy) http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial | 02:13 |
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| sh0gunk0 | ok but let's say that someone writes a program for MeeGo, compiles rpm package and so, he wants to publish it, where if MeeGo has no place for packages yet? | 02:15 |
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| niala | sh0gunk0: not yet, public OBS is not ready, soon | 02:16 |
| sh0gunk0 | hmm, ok | 02:16 |
| sh0gunk0 | thanks | 02:16 |
| niala | think meego is still in dev | 02:17 |
| niala | but stable... | 02:17 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: ./configure ; make; make install ;) | 02:17 |
| sh0gunk0 | I think the first meego tablet has been released | 02:17 |
| sh0gunk0 | so they release the device without any app repository | 02:18 |
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| niala | yes. or maybe a company repos ? wich tablet? | 02:19 |
| niala | not in store isn't it | 02:20 |
| niala | is it | 02:20 |
| sh0gunk0 | http://pycage.blogspot.com/2010/10/wetab-look-at-first-meego-tablet.html | 02:20 |
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| niala | lol my english sorry :) | 02:20 |
| sh0gunk0 | hmm I see | 02:22 |
| sh0gunk0 | http://meegonews.com/2010/10/08/wetab-proof-that-meego-needs-apps/ | 02:22 |
| sh0gunk0 | In that respect, the WeTab could be a good product but unfortunately, the content and 3rd-party application stores (Intel’s AppUp and FonPits AndroidPIT) are missing. The UI isn’t quite finished either. WeTab has it’s own applications store but currently only a ‘handful’ of apps are available. | 02:22 |
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| sh0gunk0 | and yes, it is on market already | 02:26 |
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| niala | well strange | 02:26 |
| sh0gunk0 | using company repos | 02:26 |
| sh0gunk0 | only | 02:26 |
| sh0gunk0 | :/ | 02:26 |
| sh0gunk0 | MeeGo repos should have been one of the first things to do, imagine that there is a device already in stores, people can buy it, they can start making apps for it, but they don't have any MeeGo publishing place | 02:27 |
| sh0gunk0 | or not imagine, it is true already :) | 02:28 |
| niala | in other way meego is linux so you "can do what you want". I mean it's difficult and long to setup public OBS | 02:29 |
| niala | not trivial | 02:29 |
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| sh0gunk0 | well Asus did it, seems in a very short time, for that WeTab | 02:31 |
| sh0gunk0 | Palm's WebOS device have been released, place for apps have been available, Android first device released, it has been available, even community distros like SHR have repositories | 02:33 |
| jaafar | Anyone try to install an rpm that was built with the meego sdk onto a meego handset (n900)? | 02:34 |
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| niala | Stskeeps: pouvez-vous donner l'url de votre configuration d'obs iin your wiki | 02:34 |
| sh0gunk0 | maybe it's fault of Asus that they released a device with non-complete OS | 02:35 |
| niala | sorry can you give your url to setup obs Stskeeps | 02:35 |
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| jaafar | when I run "file" on the generated rpm on the development system I get: rrpmbuild/jeffsfirstmeegoapp-0.0.1-1.armv7l.rpm: RPM v3 bin i386 jeffsfirstmeegoapp-0.0.1-1 | 02:35 |
| jaafar | the target system rejects this rpm with a "Problem reading the RPM header of jeffsfirstmeegoapp-0.0.1-1.armv7l.rpm. Is it an RPM file?" error | 02:36 |
| jaafar | If there's anyone who actually tried to do an rpm install on a handset please tell me any special hints you have thanks :) | 02:37 |
| niala | in fact just setup an obs is not difficult, there is a lot of tutorial on the web. But other difficulties | 02:37 |
| niala | sorry jaafar I have only play with netbook version for now | 02:37 |
| niala | jaafar: maybe in #meego-arm | 02:38 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes but still seems strange to me, that a big project, covered by companies like Intel and Nokia and after that long time, with device release, usable versions for N900, still don't have OBS | 02:39 |
| niala | n900 is an old phone he run with maemo, it's only compatible with meego. | 02:40 |
| sh0gunk0 | I know, with device release I meant the Atom powered WeTab | 02:41 |
| sh0gunk0 | because it is actually first official MeeGo device | 02:42 |
| * niala is just an user like other, he can fail :) | 02:42 | |
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| sh0gunk0 | I don't blame niala here, probably Intel did have to push the things, because WeTab is Atom device and Intel is doing MeeGo mainly because of Atom | 02:43 |
| sh0gunk0 | Nokia is fine here since they didn't release any phone yet | 02:44 |
| niala | sure netook version is the more complete version of meego | 02:45 |
| sh0gunk0 | but not complete since it doesn't have own app repositories | 02:46 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: try meego on virtual environment. bah I can do everything I want with meego, | 02:47 |
| niala | vi and terminal and the world is your :) | 02:47 |
| niala | almost | 02:48 |
| sh0gunk0 | OS without apps is not an OS, with manual app installation/getting --> c'mon, are we on Windows?, with separate company app stores --> main fault, we need to let users use 1 app place from the start | 02:48 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes I know I can use in virtualbox | 02:48 |
| sh0gunk0 | but my point is, that there is a device released and Intel side of the project doesn't care of any app repos | 02:49 |
| niala | yes I m agree, but time is time and for now we must wait until public repos is open for all the world :) | 02:50 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes :( | 02:50 |
| niala | sure if no app meego will die | 02:50 |
| sh0gunk0 | thath's the point | 02:50 |
| sh0gunk0 | everyone writes about QT know, world is full of it, but no place to publish | 02:50 |
| niala | but with meego you can do your-crazy-app | 02:51 |
| niala | be patient and prepare your app | 02:51 |
| sh0gunk0 | :-) | 02:51 |
| sh0gunk0 | true, no other choice at the moment | 02:51 |
| niala | rare an os where you can do your own app before anything | 02:52 |
| niala | before the harware lol | 02:52 |
| niala | hardware | 02:52 |
| niala | (sorry 2x my english) | 02:52 |
| sh0gunk0 | it's not true, because there is a hardware already :) the WeTab | 02:53 |
| sh0gunk0 | being sold on amazon germany and other stores | 02:53 |
| niala | meego is alive since may | 02:53 |
| jaafar | niala: thanks for the suggestion | 02:53 |
| jaafar | for anyone who is interested I copied my app binary over with sftp | 02:54 |
| niala | jaafar: wellcome, ? I don't remenber :) | 02:54 |
| jaafar | (for suggesting I try meego-arm) | 02:54 |
| niala | jaafar: sh0gunk0 will install an app :) | 02:54 |
| niala | what is your app ? | 02:54 |
| jaafar | niala: just a basic simple starter app to check the development flow. Uses libmeegotouch for look and feel, displays current orientation of the device | 02:55 |
| jaafar | It was two full days getting this to work. Documentation IMO is fragmentary and occasionally self-contradictory. I'm going to write up my experiences in the hope it helps others | 02:56 |
| niala | I note your nickname jaafar if I need help with qt/c++ ;) | 02:56 |
| niala | jaafar: yes please :) | 02:56 |
| sh0gunk0 | gj | 02:56 |
| sh0gunk0 | 2am in here | 02:57 |
| sh0gunk0 | work tomorrow :/ | 02:57 |
| niala | same | 02:57 |
| niala | european | 02:57 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes | 02:57 |
| sh0gunk0 | czech republic | 02:57 |
| niala | france nice to meet you | 02:57 |
| sh0gunk0 | france cool, I am going to work for France customers in 2 weeks | 02:58 |
| sh0gunk0 | nice to meet you | 02:58 |
| sh0gunk0 | like France outsourcing team | 02:58 |
| sh0gunk0 | placed here in Czech | 02:58 |
| sh0gunk0 | currently working in Italian team and it's terrible, Italian people are terrible :P | 02:59 |
| niala | well my english to bad I haven't understandt | 02:59 |
| niala | terrible like? like cool ? or ? | 02:59 |
| sh0gunk0 | well, terrible to work with them | 03:00 |
| niala | all the country are great, only certain person in world are not good :) | 03:00 |
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| sh0gunk0 | yes, but some countries contain more of these certain people :D | 03:01 |
| sh0gunk0 | my experience with Italian side of IBM is terrible, maybe in other companies it's better | 03:02 |
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| sh0gunk0 | anyway, is it hard to get work as unix administrator in France without knowing the french language? | 03:03 |
| niala | it depends on the canteen :) | 03:03 |
| sh0gunk0 | get job * | 03:03 |
| sh0gunk0 | do you require french a lot in IT jobs? | 03:03 |
| niala | well get any work in france is difficult for now | 03:03 |
| sh0gunk0 | aha :-? | 03:04 |
| sh0gunk0 | aha :-/ | 03:04 |
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| niala | sh0gunk0: yes but only in some area, like big city paris, marseille, lyon | 03:04 |
| sh0gunk0 | big cities are fine for me | 03:05 |
| niala | well get any work in france is difficult for now <--- like every where. no? | 03:05 |
| sh0gunk0 | currently working in Brno, which is a city with lot's of IT developer/delivery centres, not that big city, but I want to go abroad finally | 03:06 |
| niala | yes paris is fine, and marseille you have a hot sea near your job | 03:06 |
| sh0gunk0 | but we have here a big IBM delivery centre in Brno, 3000 employees, L1, L2 and L3 outsourcing | 03:06 |
| sh0gunk0 | then we have AT&T outsourcing centre | 03:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | Red Hat developer centre, biggest in Europe | 03:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | and many others | 03:07 |
| niala | go to berkeley! the king of computer and robotic lol | 03:07 |
| sh0gunk0 | hehe | 03:07 |
| niala | s/king/the kingdom | 03:08 |
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| sh0gunk0 | y | 03:09 |
| niala | and nice weather, that is importaznt! :) | 03:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes I check now | 03:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | Marseille look great | 03:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | I don't like hot weather and cold neither | 03:09 |
| niala | a good football team :) | 03:09 |
| sh0gunk0 | http://www.worldweather.org/062/c01055.htm | 03:11 |
| sh0gunk0 | this is great | 03:11 |
| sh0gunk0 | very stable weather! | 03:11 |
| sh0gunk0 | I mean, in Brno we have even 35 °C in summer and sometimes -20 °C in winter | 03:12 |
| sh0gunk0 | big differencies | 03:12 |
| niala | mediterranean climat | 03:12 |
| niala | ouch, but I love when we have a true summer and a true winter, | 03:12 |
| niala | this punctuates the years | 03:13 |
| sh0gunk0 | +35 °C in the shadows and +45 °C on sun is not true summer but hell :P | 03:13 |
| sh0gunk0 | and -20 °C is not comfortable as well | 03:14 |
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| niala | :) it's a punition | 03:14 |
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| niala | punishment | 03:14 |
| niala | sorry | 03:14 |
| sh0gunk0 | it is | 03:15 |
| sh0gunk0 | one of the things why I want to get out of the country | 03:15 |
| sh0gunk0 | but worst time for it, because of world crysis | 03:15 |
| pupnik | i found the scandinavian countries much nicer places to do IT business than france | 03:17 |
| pupnik | back around 2003 | 03:17 |
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| sh0gunk0 | yes, interest for them as well :) | 03:18 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: yes but be movable is an advantage | 03:18 |
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| sh0gunk0 | sure | 03:18 |
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| sh0gunk0 | but the thing is, that in scandinavian countries, norway, sweden etc. they require their language a lot | 03:18 |
| sh0gunk0 | sometimes, you sign a job contract with a note, that you have to learn norwegian in 2 years, etc. | 03:19 |
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| niala | sh0gunk0: french are the worst, we speak english often (and other language to) like spanish cow | 03:19 |
| sh0gunk0 | heh | 03:20 |
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| niala | I mean you can easily speak english in other country than france :) | 03:20 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes I get your point | 03:20 |
| sh0gunk0 | actually scandinavian people speak english almost like maiden language (excellent level) but they still require their language (norwegian, swedish, ..) a lot for jobs | 03:21 |
| niala | we are to pretentious to speak other language than french ;D | 03:21 |
| sh0gunk0 | but french is the main language along with german and english | 03:22 |
| sh0gunk0 | it is acceptable | 03:22 |
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| blackrock | what's with this weather, countries, etc.? | 03:23 |
| sh0gunk0 | eg. official language in Canada | 03:23 |
| blackrock | isn't it a meebo channel? | 03:23 |
| niala | yes it is, you have a question blackrock | 03:23 |
| sh0gunk0 | it is :D, just no one was speaking so we fill the board up | 03:23 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes, shoot a question | 03:24 |
| niala | we only take a virtual coffee :) | 03:24 |
| blackrock | no i'm just stalking the channel | 03:24 |
| blackrock | :) | 03:24 |
| blackrock | actually, i'm eager to develop for meego, and waiting for more phone support | 03:24 |
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| niala | blackrock: you can already devl for meego | 03:25 |
| niala | sh0gunk0: canada is more reallistic | 03:26 |
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| blackrock | when meego replaces symbian, would the old smart phones just be left behind? | 03:27 |
| sh0gunk0 | MeeGo is not meant to replace Symbian | 03:27 |
| sh0gunk0 | MeeGo is developed for high-end device and Nokia still develops Symbian a lot | 03:28 |
| niala | symbian will die more like win95 or comodore or amstrad, with the time... | 03:28 |
| thiago | and like win95, it will be around and relevant for longer than people expected | 03:28 |
| sh0gunk0 | and now, there will be no more versioning of Symbian like Symbian 3 etc. only one Symbian with rolling releases | 03:29 |
| sh0gunk0 | in case the MeeGo starts to be very popular, yes it is possible that Nokia will let the Symbian die | 03:29 |
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| sh0gunk0 | but currently, they still plan to do phones with it and they develop it actively | 03:30 |
| thiago | just a couple hundred million more | 03:31 |
| niala | maybe they have to more project for make a success with one ? | 03:31 |
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| sh0gunk0 | I hope they will try to success with one MeeGo mainly, they are putting all their hopes into the Nokia N9, first MeeGo phone | 03:32 |
| sh0gunk0 | this should be like best seller, or Nokia wants it to be. needs | 03:32 |
| thiago | it's hard to beat the current nokia best seller | 03:33 |
| niala | thiago: have you the url from Stskeeps to setup a virtual OBS ? | 03:33 |
| sh0gunk0 | and for Sybian devices, they will still do tons of them, low end piecies for few bucks :P | 03:33 |
| thiago | niala: no | 03:33 |
| thiago | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_1101 <--- best seller | 03:33 |
| sh0gunk0 | N8 is an exception, after meego device release, I don't think any other Symbian device will be selling so much | 03:33 |
| sh0gunk0 | hehe | 03:33 |
| sh0gunk0 | I didn't like this one | 03:34 |
| niala | ahh souvenirs souvenirs | 03:34 |
| sh0gunk0 | Nokia 9000 and 9110 were cool ones, with GeOS :P | 03:36 |
| thiago | symbian devices will still sell more than any close competitor, save maybe for the iPhone | 03:36 |
| sh0gunk0 | then Nokia 9210 started era of Symbian | 03:36 |
| thiago | I mean each device | 03:36 |
| sh0gunk0 | yes | 03:36 |
| sh0gunk0 | but, look at the Android | 03:37 |
| niala | when ressource like coltan and lithium will be spent | 03:37 |
| thiago | coltane? | 03:37 |
| thiago | yep, smart phones made of coltane :-) | 03:37 |
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| thiago | then they'll rise and rule us, so we'll have to send someone back in time | 03:38 |
| niala | yep | 03:38 |
| sh0gunk0 | niala, you mentioned souvenirs and I remembered one cool song :P | 03:38 |
| sh0gunk0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSOBYzUVqA | 03:38 |
| niala | long time ago sillicium valley has sillicium... | 03:38 |
| sh0gunk0 | singing about souvenirs also :P | 03:38 |
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| niala | nice whos is the singer? singerin (whet the correct word?) | 03:40 |
| sh0gunk0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4hVCvab9X8 this is the original one ;) | 03:41 |
| niala | waldek? polish singer ? | 03:41 |
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| sh0gunk0 | isn't it a french band? according to the accent | 03:42 |
| niala | lol maybe. I ask my second brain google | 03:43 |
| sh0gunk0 | hmm probably Austria, Vienna, http://www.waldeck.at/ | 03:43 |
| niala | well time to bed | 03:46 |
| niala | see you later #meego | 03:46 |
| niala | good night sh0gunk0 thiago | 03:47 |
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| sh0gunk0 | night | 03:48 |
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| Gorroth | hi | 05:24 |
| Gorroth | does meego have anything like Squid proxy yet? or Skype access on the n900? | 05:24 |
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| amjad | ping stskeeps | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 10:34 |
| amjad | how goes, loong time no see | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | it goes fine.. just returned after seeing my family in denmark | 10:34 |
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| amjad | ah, i became a first time dad on saturday , so being lil bit busy on family side :) | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | congrats! :) | 10:36 |
| amjad | thanks | 10:36 |
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| JKL_ | does he/she have a nickname meego? | 10:36 |
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| JKL_ | and grtz anyway :) | 10:37 |
| amjad | lol, would ask him dad , and thanks again | 10:37 |
| amjad | err, would think about naming him meego :) | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | morn thp | 10:38 |
| thp | hey ho | 10:38 |
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| Purti | Hi guys, do u know Meego 1.1 Handset UX - Video player is built on top of which multimedia framework? | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | amjad: congrats, how's mum and baby doing? | 10:43 |
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| Purti | Does anyone know about Media Services of Meego 1.1? | 10:45 |
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| amjad | thanks myrtti, mom is still recovering but baby is doing great, he is awake at night :) | 10:46 |
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| * timeless_mbp is @Lyon, FR | 10:48 | |
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| Purti | Anyone? | 10:54 |
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| Myrtti | Purti: try asking at the Forums? | 10:56 |
| arag0rn | hey how do i access build logs for a particular component ? | 10:56 |
| arag0rn | i'm registered on meego.com but I cant login to build.meego.com | 10:57 |
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| lcuk | morning #meego and Myrtti especially \o | 12:46 |
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| rolf | Hi All. | 13:01 |
| rolf | Can anybody tell me how I can modify the isolinux.cfg file which is generated by mic using the livecd format? I want to have it boot the installation entry automatically... | 13:02 |
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| eikke | is there any way to override the luks check in the installer? | 13:15 |
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| eikke | I have a luks partition on my netbook, but would like to install meego on an SD card, so it shouldnt care about any of the drives in the system except for that one | 13:16 |
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| niala_zombi | luks ? you can choose to make your own partition to install meego ? | 13:18 |
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| eikke | the problem is the installer gives an error and quits whenever it finds any (existing) luks partition | 13:19 |
| niala_zombi | luks? | 13:20 |
| ruskie | fun... still meego is broken for the original netbooks(i.e. non atom ones) | 13:20 |
| niala_zombi | I don't know luks word | 13:20 |
| ruskie | luks is used for encryption | 13:20 |
| eikke | Linux Unified Key Setup, encrypted block volumes using cryptsetup | 13:20 |
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| niala_zombi | ahhh | 13:21 |
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| eikke | so I'm kinda stuck :P | 13:29 |
| eikke | installing to the flashdrive in virtualbox is not possible either, since meego doesnt work in vbox | 13:29 |
| pervert | yeah it works | 13:30 |
| pervert | i have it booted on a vbox right now | 13:30 |
| eikke | oh? thats new | 13:30 |
| pervert | its IVI though | 13:30 |
| eikke | whats IVI? | 13:30 |
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| pervert | in vehicle infotainment edition | 13:31 |
| eikke | ah :) | 13:31 |
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| pervert | its better than trying to do it all on my 7inch screen. once i have it all configured the way i want it i'll clone the installed copy to my other drive | 13:32 |
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| eikke | pervert: you simply use the img file as virtual cdrom device? | 13:35 |
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| Bostik | meego .img file is a standard .iso, only named differently; vbox may complain or outright ignore the file if the extension doesn't match | 13:39 |
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| pervert | yep, i just loaded the .img. i was going to convert it, but i thought "might as well try it first" | 13:41 |
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| eikke | thing is when i try to 'live' system from the .img in vbox, it hangs on black screen | 13:42 |
| eikke | trying an installation to a virtual disk now | 13:42 |
| pervert | yeah, i dont remember which way i did it | 13:43 |
| pervert | i think i text installed it | 13:43 |
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| pervert | yeah, i just reinstalled from the .img (1.1) in vbox | 13:47 |
| pervert | well its like 70% done | 13:47 |
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| pervert | ooho | 13:49 |
| pervert | bootloader doesnt work | 13:49 |
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| pervert | maybe use my chameleon bootloader install disk | 13:49 |
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| pervert | or find anothr linux iso | 13:50 |
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| eikke | nah, bootloader works after a reset | 13:51 |
| eikke | i think :P | 13:51 |
| pervert | not this time :) | 13:51 |
| pervert | oh, it doeds | 13:52 |
| pervert | i'm just a tool | 13:52 |
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| summy | who can give me some introduction about how to install eat? | 15:08 |
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| icesword | summy, eat? | 15:09 |
| summy | yes | 15:09 |
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| icesword | summy, what app by who | 15:09 |
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| adeus | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Eat | 15:11 |
| summy | The abbrivation of enable automation test | 15:11 |
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| summy | iceword, do you know about that? | 15:11 |
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| vilvo | summy: enables automated testing | 15:12 |
| vilvo | you might want to join #meego-qa-tools to discuss with eat developers | 15:13 |
| zumbi_ | which is linux foundation implication into meego after yocto release? | 15:13 |
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| summy | yes, i get it from gitorious, and also i have knew what it will be used | 15:13 |
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| summy | but how can i install it in pc and device? | 15:14 |
| vilvo | there's packages already available? | 15:14 |
| summy | is there anyone who install successfully and give me some suggestion? | 15:14 |
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| summy | vilvo, what do you mean? you said is one question? | 15:15 |
| vilvo | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Autotest-guide#Setting_up_test_automation_environment | 15:16 |
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| vilvo | would you please elaborate what kind of problems you have? | 15:17 |
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| vilvo | summy: now that I recall, it's successfully built&installed also from git even today - http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8401#c2 | 15:20 |
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| summy | i see the auto-guide, finding that the eat-device is installed acording to the image flashed into the phone, which it means the image contains the eat-device automation script, is my understanding right? | 15:23 |
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| vilvo | sounds right but you need also host side support - what do you try to do with it? | 15:26 |
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| icesword | someone told me the new x-server is Wayland in meego, right? | 15:28 |
| summy | i used it do some automation test | 15:29 |
| summy | yes , i need also install host side, | 15:30 |
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| kt_ | I need support for jack sensing in my PulseAudio module in Meego. Jack sensing is not a part of PulseAudio yet so I need to investigate how to obtain the jack sensing information myself. By looking at the overview of the Meego structure: http://meego.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/MeeGo-Arch-2-FullSize.png i think audio device drivers maybe are compiled into the kernel/ i don't know where to look for an API to get the jack sensing information | 15:51 |
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| kt_ | it seems that alsa should send an input event when the jack is inserted but it is unclear to me | 16:09 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: ping | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: pong | 17:41 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: well, it's the 1st of the month, so I'll give you one guess :) | 17:42 |
| DawnFoster | No big hurry - I have lots of other metrics data to pull together | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't like mailman? | 17:42 |
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| saltsa_ | do you have problems with repo.meego.com and zypper refresh? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | the monthly bribe payment? ;) sure, i'll book some time for irc stats tomorrow | 17:43 |
| saltsa_ | it seems that there is some kind of ip fragmentation problem when n900 is connected through USB to the internet | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | saltsa_: hmm, mtu too high? | 17:43 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: :) thanks again for gathering the IRC stats every month | 17:44 |
| saltsa_ | Stskeeps, my desktop is sending this ICMP to the repo.meego.com "unreachable - need to frag (mtu 1494), length 556" | 17:44 |
| DawnFoster | I'm cooking up a plan to get all of this better automated | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | saltsa_: hmm, mtu too high? | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | saltsa_: that might be a reason for the odd wifi problem we have too.. could you report this issue and cc carsten@maemo.org ? | 17:45 |
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| saltsa_ | Stskeeps, mtu is 1500 for everything, usb0 in n900 and desktop, and for the ethernet on desktop too | 17:46 |
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| Stskeeps | saltsa_: interesting | 17:47 |
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| saltsa_ | Stskeeps, okay, now it's working correctly. I did nothing... | 17:48 |
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| saltsa_ | Stskeeps, probably configuration problem with repo.meego.com ignoring those icmp messages about framentation? | 17:49 |
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| saltsa_ | Stskeeps, but another problem: Booted to meego and the screen is white. So some desktop loading problem? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | saltsa_: might be | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | saltsa_: give it some time | 17:50 |
| saltsa_ | i have given it over 15 minutes. Ssh to it is working correctly.. | 17:50 |
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| townxelliot | saltsa_: netbook? have you checked your graphics card? | 17:51 |
| saltsa_ | townxelliot, no, n900 and the 1.1 release image released @ meego.com | 17:52 |
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| townxelliot | saltsa_: oh, OK, not something I've done myself yet | 17:56 |
| saltsa_ | tried to boot again and now it booted to desktop | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | saltsa_: that sounds weird | 18:10 |
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| saltsa_ | can't make phone calls, it seems the device is in flight mode? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | do you have a PIN on your sim? | 18:12 |
| saltsa_ | yes | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | that's why | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | we don't support that right now | 18:12 |
| saltsa_ | anyway to manually enter it somewhere? | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | not in 1.1 | 18:17 |
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| sivang | hi all | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 18:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Friend: "you can't use MeeGo, you won't have Gmail!" Me: "You can't use Linux, you won't have Outlook Exchange!" | 18:42 |
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| auke | X-Fade: just pinged lbt as well, my home project isn't showing up on crepo.meego.com | 18:55 |
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| sivang | hey Stskeeps :) | 19:00 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: less busy now that the release is out? | 19:01 |
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| CosmoHill | salut niala, comment ça va? | 20:46 |
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| eikke | hmh | 20:52 |
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| eikke | installed meego 1.1 on my eee901 now, as-is, but wlan doesnt work | 20:52 |
| eikke | rt2860sta is modprobe'd and no obvious errors in dmesg or messages | 20:52 |
| eikke | ifconfig wlan0 up works fine | 20:52 |
| eikke | but there's nothing shown in the networking panel | 20:52 |
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| thiago | how about iwconfig wlan0? | 20:53 |
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| auke | I just did a dist-upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1, and seeing the same issue | 20:55 |
| auke | on 901eee pc specific | 20:55 |
| auke | eikke: please can you open a bugreport? | 20:56 |
| auke | eikke: and tell me the bug number | 20:56 |
| thiago | does restarting connmand help? | 20:56 |
| auke | I can try that | 20:56 |
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| auke | (still a bug though, even if that helps) | 20:56 |
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| auke | thiago: nope, still no wireless showing up | 20:57 |
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| CosmoHill | hey auke and thiago | 21:01 |
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| eikke | auke: will do. 901 here as well | 21:02 |
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| eikke | google found a forum thread as well, though diner now | 21:03 |
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| eikke | thiago: actually | 21:12 |
| eikke | restarting connman with the same args (-W nl80211,wext) after ifconfig wlan0 up does make the wlan conn. appear in the panel | 21:13 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.oct.html | 21:13 |
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| Myrtti | wohey! I actually show up in there | 21:14 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: thanks | 21:16 |
| CosmoHill | I don't like what th0br0's random line is :/ | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | niala: you got counted twice | 21:18 |
| niala | hello CosmoHill what? what did I do | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | see the link Stskeeps posted | 21:20 |
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| niala | CosmoHill: well disturbing maybe I must more read and less speak. We have the worst spelling and grammar in the stats also ? | 21:25 |
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| CosmoHill | as long as you get your point across | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | my english isn't the best either | 21:26 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: thanks! | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | np | 21:27 |
| fabrice_ | hi, I'm using the chroot sdk env, and need glib-config to compile a project. Which package does provide it? | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | glibc-devel? | 21:28 |
| fabrice_ | nope | 21:29 |
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| auke | fabrice_: glib2-devel prolly | 21:39 |
| auke | fabrice_: zypper install -t pattern meego-handset-desktop-devel ? | 21:39 |
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| auke | or look at `zypper pt` for existing patterns | 21:40 |
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| fabrice_ | auke, I alreay installed glib2-devel | 21:41 |
| fabrice_ | is there a way to list the files installed by a package | 21:41 |
| fabrice_ | ? | 21:41 |
| auke | rpm -ql $rpmname | 21:41 |
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| fabrice_ | auke, thanks. still no luck with glib-config ... | 21:57 |
| auke | what project are you compiling? is it looking for glib 1.x ? | 21:59 |
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| auke | there is no glib-1 in meego, only glib-2 | 21:59 |
| auke | and glib2 uses pkgconfig, not a -config script | 21:59 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 22:02 |
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| auke | X-Fade: did you get my ping earlier? | 22:05 |
| auke | lbt: ? | 22:05 |
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| niala | su RogerFederer!! | 22:07 |
| niala | arf!!! | 22:07 |
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| willwork4foo | Hi all. Does anyone know whether the meego desktop component is available as a standalone thing that can be installed on top of another Linux distro, say for example Debian or Slackware? | 22:11 |
| willwork4foo | Also, are there any plans to provide support for restricted (proprietary) wifi drivers? | 22:11 |
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| auke | there are no plans for restricted wifi drivers, meego has a strict merge guideline | 22:12 |
| auke | the netbook UX can be installed or compiled on most other distributions | 22:12 |
| willwork4foo | auke: I've been looking for that component and can't find it... I really like the UX, but sadly my netbook's wifi requires a proprietary driver | 22:13 |
| auke | which component are you looking for? | 22:14 |
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| willwork4foo | auke: surely it'd be easier to get my netbook's wifi chipset (Broadcom) working from within Meego.... | 22:14 |
| auke | broadcom is working on an open source wifi driver | 22:14 |
| willwork4foo | I'd quite like to get Meego on my netbook - I really like the interface | 22:14 |
| willwork4foo | ah ok... but until then I can't use the closed source one? | 22:15 |
| auke | it's being worked on and will be in meego as soon as the upstream kernel accepts it | 22:15 |
| auke | I answered that question: no, there is a strict policy on no closed source kernel drivers. | 22:15 |
| willwork4foo | aha ok fair enough. I guess I'll have to pass on meego for now then, until that becomes available | 22:15 |
| auke | you can maybe add it yourself | 22:15 |
| auke | but, meego will not because it can not (distribute them) | 22:16 |
| auke | willwork4foo: if you want to help, call broadcom and tell them to work on it :) | 22:16 |
| willwork4foo | auke: I'm sure there are already enough voices singing that chorus :) | 22:17 |
| auke | no, not nearly enough | 22:17 |
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| willwork4foo | In that case, I will send them an email now. Interestingly, on their contact page there is a specific bit about linux drivers for 802.11 wireless | 22:19 |
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| giova | is possibol to have meego on HTC Touch2 (HTC Mega) smartphone??? | 22:22 |
| giova | pardòn... possible | 22:22 |
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| CosmoHill | you can try | 22:23 |
| Myrtti | not that I've heard anyone succeed | 22:24 |
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| giova | but how? | 22:24 |
| giova | ... | 22:25 |
| auke | giova: it starts with being extremely experienced in these matters | 22:25 |
| CosmoHill | I don't think anything has tired yet | 22:25 |
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| giova | ... ok ... | 22:26 |
| auke | we should make a wiki listing the porting efforts and attempts | 22:26 |
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| auke | well at least he got an answer to his question :) | 22:26 |
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| thiago | auke: have you build arjan's recent powertop? | 22:27 |
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| auke | thiago: yes | 22:28 |
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| auke | infobot: htc is See http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 22:28 |
| infobot | auke: okay | 22:28 |
| auke | !htc | 22:28 |
| auke | !htc | 22:28 |
| auke | ~htc | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | ~htc | 22:28 |
| infobot | hmm... htc is See http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | damn infobot | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | PM'd me saying someone said that 0 seconds ago | 22:28 |
| thiago | auke: where does pci/pci.h come from? | 22:29 |
| auke | pcuitils | 22:29 |
| auke | (lspci etc) | 22:29 |
| thiago | auke: thanks | 22:30 |
| * thiago runs the new powertop | 22:30 | |
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| bambule | hi, i am trying to get the meego helloworld running as described here http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World | 22:45 |
| bambule | everything works till i try to run the result in qemu | 22:46 |
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| bambule | then i get this error http://pastebin.com/bUPqevDB | 22:46 |
| bambule | can anyone help me out there? | 22:46 |
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| bambule | its seems that there are other things wrong with my meego handset image. dmesg show http://pastebin.com/h23VKCKg | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | bambule, do you have the 1.1 image itself or are you recycling an old one? | 22:54 |
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| bambule | lcuk: meego-handset-sdk-20101012-1.1.80.20101024.1603-sda.raw.tar.bz2 is what i am using | 22:55 |
| bambule | shouldn't be something old. i just started two days ago or so to have a look at meego | 22:55 |
| lcuk | can you get the sdk itself to come up without attempting to run the binary and do the existing apps actually come through | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | (sure, just asking general questions :)) | 22:55 |
| bambule | lcuk: yes the qemu brings up the home screen. | 22:56 |
| bambule | lcuk: but there are some apps that i can't run | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | bambule, that might be due to other things, but what specifically have you noticed? | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | bambule, i do know the sdk guys are working through getting it documented and released cleanly, theres a chance that you have falling into one of hte gotchas, but someone over there >>>> will have to carry on, i have to vanish | 22:58 |
| bambule | one thing is the same as when i try to run my own app in qtcreator. if i am logged in on a console i see this | 22:58 |
| bambule | localhost klogd: [ 305.039051] Process mcompositor (pid: 639, ti=f68f0000 task=f68e8430 task.ti=f68f0000) | 22:58 |
| bambule | if i use dmesg i see the crashes that i also see with my app | 22:59 |
| auke | "killed with signal 6" is an issue with shutting down the X session | 23:00 |
| auke | it should not affect the applications, nor have I seen it occur at startup (only on shutdown is when it occurs) | 23:00 |
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| bambule | auke: i've just retested it. with the image i have i can't run the webbrowser. it will come up, the screen will become black and white a few times and then it falls back into the homescreen | 23:02 |
| bambule | the console prints the klogd messages show earlier | 23:02 |
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| bambule | it also show localhost klogd: [ 56.380475] Process meego-im-uiserv (pid: 619, ti=f39ce000 task=f6feb050 task.ti=f39ce000) | 23:02 |
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| auke | yeah several apps receive a SIGABRT | 23:03 |
| auke | as I said, it's only at shutdown time or should be | 23:03 |
| bambule | well its a stock handset image i've just downloaded | 23:03 |
| auke | yes | 23:03 |
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| auke | as I said, it shouldn't affect the normal startup and working of any application | 23:04 |
| bambule | hmm, but the webbrowser shouldn't just terminate a few seconds after i've started it? | 23:04 |
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| auke | that is probably an unrelated issue | 23:05 |
| auke | is it getting a SIGABRT? | 23:05 |
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| bambule | btw my dmesg also shows meego-im-uiserv/619: potentially unexpected fatal signal 11. | 23:09 |
| bambule | is this also normal shutdown/startup? | 23:09 |
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| auke | no, any signal 11 is a bug | 23:10 |
| auke | signal 6 errors are technically a bug, but in this case the impact is zero | 23:10 |
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| kendrick | quick question - thinking of adding "move to trash" inside Tux Paint (when you delete a picture), rather than just doing an unlink() [think of the children!] | 23:19 |
| kendrick | on KDE/Gnome/etc., we can use xdg (freedesktop.org) spec. does Meego have the concept of a 'trash'? | 23:20 |
| bambule | i played around some more and i can start every apps inside the handset image but not the browser | 23:21 |
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| auke | kendrick: good point | 23:23 |
| auke | kendrick: meego should use `xdg-user-dir TRASH` but I see it's not defined | 23:23 |
| auke | kendrick: I wonder why it's not defined though - that's a miss but I can't find it on one other distro either | 23:24 |
| auke | kendrick: I think XDG_TRASH_DIR is a distro-specific extension | 23:24 |
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| kendrick | i'm very new to any of this :) | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | kendrick: good idea | 23:25 |
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| auke | wait wait | 23:27 |
| auke | there's a XDG trash spec | 23:27 |
| auke | using xdg-user-dir is probably wrong | 23:27 |
| kendrick | heheh | 23:27 |
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| auke | http://www.ramendik.ru/docs/trashspec.html -> trash is per definition $XDG_DATA_HOME/Trash | 23:29 |
| auke | where XDG_DATA_HOME=~/.config by default | 23:29 |
| auke | no | 23:29 |
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| auke | seems nautilus on meego puts it in ~/.local/share/Trash | 23:31 |
| auke | ok, Thunar also uses that location | 23:32 |
| auke | ok, found it | 23:33 |
| auke | http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html | 23:33 |
| auke | $XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used. | 23:33 |
| auke | so, The location of Trash is: | 23:33 |
| auke | ${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}/Trash | 23:33 |
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| auke | that's what you should use in your application | 23:34 |
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| eikke | hmh, why oh why doesnt meego ship with the ext4 FS driver :( | 23:37 |
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| kendrick | thanks auke | 23:39 |
| rauli | eh. why is swi-prolog installed with meego? | 23:39 |
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| kendrick | i don't think i've seen the ${THIS:-THAT} syntax before | 23:40 |
| auke | it's bash for "if this variable has no value, use this as default" | 23:40 |
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| kendrick | yeah that's neat | 23:43 |
| kendrick | of course, in my app (it's C), it'll be a pair of getenv() calls | 23:43 |
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| auke | yes | 23:49 |
| auke | foo = getenv("XDG_DATA_HOME") ; if (!foo) { home = getenv("HOME") ; sprintf(foo, "%s/.local/share", home) }; sprintf(trash, "%s/Trash", foo); | 23:51 |
| auke | or... something like that :) | 23:51 |
| andyross | Sadly to pidgin, ":-$" get interpreted as a squiggle-mouthed smiley. Not sure whether to blame bash or pidgin for that one... | 23:52 |
| kendrick | hehehe | 23:53 |
| kendrick | anyway, i'm outta here | 23:53 |
| kendrick | thanks again@ | 23:53 |
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