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| sergiusens | anyone know what meego is going to settle for to manage packages? yum, zypper, pkcon? | 00:07 |
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| Stskeeps | zypper | 00:07 |
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| wmarone | the less in common with fedora and redhat, the better ;) | 00:08 |
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| lbt | wmarone: I was pushing for apt | 00:09 |
| sergiusens | well yum has it's faults... a galore | 00:09 |
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| sergiusens | so is packagekit going to be around? | 00:10 |
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| sergiusens | or am I just going to have zypper avail? | 00:10 |
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| CosmoHill | zypper is the chosen package manager for meego | 00:10 |
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| sergiusens | ty! | 00:14 |
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| kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know what is the fastest way to backup the internal flash of the N900? Over WLAN or USB-networking? | 00:35 |
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| auke | usb probably will be faster | 00:37 |
| CosmoHill | agreed | 00:39 |
| Santer | u,g 151 | 00:39 |
| Santer | wops | 00:39 |
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| Santer | tnx | 00:39 |
| auke | you'll need that after you change all your systems | 00:39 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:12 |
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| vgrade | lbt, no luck with my meego login to https://cbuild.meego.com/user/do_login | 02:20 |
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| fukyou | Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| vgrade | only seems to have homes for auke,lbt,sivan,stskeeps and xfade ATM | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Not connected to server | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Attempting to rejoin channel #drupal | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Rejoined channel #drupal | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Topic is 'Type 'irc?' for more Drupal channel information. | #drupal is for general chitchat, quick questions, and community talk. | Visit #drupal-contribute if you want (yes, you want!) to help make Drupal better | http://drupal.org/security | drupalbin? for posting code. | CMS of choice for the White House.' | 02:24 |
| fukyou | * Set by ksenzee!~ksenzee@drupal.org/user/139855/view on Fri Jul 30 17:34:17 | 02:24 |
| fukyou | fuck yall | 02:24 |
| fukyou | shut the fuck up | 02:24 |
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| fukyou | god damnit | 02:24 |
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| *** fukyou was kicked by Stskeeps (no you) | 02:24 | |
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| Stskeeps | (what on earth am i doing awake?) | 02:24 |
| sabotage | good question! | 02:27 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: you're policing the channel so I don't have to :) | 02:27 |
| DawnFoster | (thanks) | 02:27 |
| DawnFoster | I don't think Stskeeps sleeps. | 02:28 |
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| * sabotage nods in agreement | 02:32 | |
| sabotage | he's always handing me "coffee" anytime I speak on the same channels as him, regardless of the time of day | 02:33 |
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| sabotage | though all too often, I am on when I should be sleeping too | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | he was in #maemo before he spammed here | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite uneconomic to kick dudes like fukyou chan by chan | 02:55 |
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| auke | vgrade: my packages are building, slow but steadily! | 03:04 |
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| MeeGoExperts | If I had "Kicking" ability I would police mor often :-) | 04:20 |
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| MeeGoExperts | I wish i wasn't talking to myself … Lol | 04:28 |
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| bdogg64 | lol | 04:28 |
| bdogg64 | everyone sleep I guess | 04:28 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Its 2:30am here (UK) … US is 5 − 10 hours behind us …. So you guys should be awake and I should be asleep | 04:29 |
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| bdogg64 | waiting on 1.1 I presume | 04:31 |
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| bdogg64 | i cant connect to my n900 running meego over wifi for some reason | 04:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | Im a late sleeper and I love flashing things, therefore ….. | 04:35 |
| MeeGoExperts | connect via ? | 04:36 |
| MeeGoExperts | Connect to the n900 ? | 04:36 |
| bdogg64 | ssh | 04:37 |
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| MeeGoExperts | I've left a lot of the current RC builds alone. Was wating for 1.1 UX | 04:37 |
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| bdogg64 | was? :-) | 04:38 |
| MeeGoExperts | IS :-( | 04:39 |
| bdogg64 | one sec | 04:41 |
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| Khertan | Morning all ! | 10:12 |
| Khertan | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ <<<- is it real ? | 10:12 |
| Khertan | i:) | 10:12 |
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| nocturnal | oh snap | 10:13 |
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| nocturnal | it's brand new | 10:13 |
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| nocturnal | i'll find out after work if it's real | 10:14 |
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| Khertan | :) | 10:14 |
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| linuxcentos | back from vacation now, reading that Meego can be installed on N900, someone tested it? | 10:37 |
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| nocturnal | linuxcentos: i've tested one of the builds, 1.1.80.3.20101022.1 | 10:47 |
| nocturnal | but 1.1 is in the release directory now | 10:47 |
| nocturnal | so right now i'm writing the btrfs raw image to SD card through ssh at home. but i won't be able to flash the kernel image until after work | 10:48 |
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| nocturnal | because my n900 is at home | 10:48 |
| nocturnal | the build i tested did not work well at all. | 10:48 |
| nocturnal | got a black linux boot screen, had to shine a flashlight on it just to see the errors. | 10:48 |
| linuxcentos | i see | 10:48 |
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| linuxcentos | nocturnal: you are using dd to write to sd card? | 10:51 |
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| nocturnal | linuxcentos: yes | 10:54 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 10:54 |
| linuxcentos | so when the fs is on sd card, what's next? | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | btrfs | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | oh | 10:55 |
| linuxcentos | mm | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | well i'm forced to recompile my debian kernel with btrfs support just to see if it worked | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | to be able to mount the file system from the sd card | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | i guess i'll do this until i get home | 10:55 |
| nocturnal | because i just got to work and someone in here on irc just told me about the 1.1 image | 10:56 |
| nocturnal | so until i get home and can flash the n900 i can use the time to check the sd card | 10:56 |
| linuxcentos | oky | 10:56 |
| jarkkom | just use fdisk -l? if partition table is ok, everything else probably works too | 10:56 |
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| linuxcentos | you will have to install boot loader and kernel to phone's ROM? | 10:56 |
| nocturnal | jarkkom: fdisk -l shows Linux as file system and it shows everything working fine. yet i've not managed to install meego as of yet using the builds so this time i feel like i want to actually see the file system. | 10:56 |
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| nocturnal | and if i'm to play with meego i might as well have btrfs support | 10:57 |
| nocturnal | it won't hurt | 10:57 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Any plans for a standard image file for the nokia N900 ? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | define standard image file | 11:38 |
| MeeGoExperts | One that we dont have to build via a kick start file | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | uhm.. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | we have those? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | -raw and vmlinuz | 11:39 |
| sivang | morning all | 11:39 |
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| MeeGoExperts | stskeeps, I'm not sure what your answer was | 11:41 |
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| MeeGoExperts | and a lack of sleep is not helping the situation | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | let's talk later then :) | 11:42 |
| MeeGoExperts | morning | 11:42 |
| MeeGoExperts | Well unfortuanetly I posted that the N900 version was out and didn't look at the image format. | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | it is out, and not just a .ks afaik | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | .ks is there in case you ever want to recreate image or add to it | 11:43 |
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| Jucato | it's out .. just gonna wait for the announcement and instructions >.< | 11:46 |
| MeeGoExperts | I'm missing something here. How would average user flash that then ? | 11:46 |
| dolp | wondering if class 4 vs class 6 mircosd makes a big difference on my n900 for meego.. | 11:46 |
| dolp | microsd* | 11:46 |
| lcuk | MeeGoExperts, with the n900 flashing instructions | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGoExperts: OK, so, the person bunzip2 the mmc image and then write it to a microsd card | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | then you grab flasher and load the vmlinuz | 11:47 |
| Jucato | so we still need to do it the old way? with the flasher and the N900 connected to the computer? not like the recent video? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: we're still working on getting a nice easy solution for people doing it like that | 11:48 |
| Jucato | cool :) | 11:48 |
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| Jucato | I just thought it was part of the PR 1.3 goodies :) | 11:48 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: not just copie the kernel to / and kexec it? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: long story short: our kernel has difficulties on warm boot like that | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | the original idea was kexec but u-boot is obviously a much beter olution | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | better solution | 11:50 |
| MeeGoExperts | Thanks guys. Was hoping for an easier end user method. | 11:50 |
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| Jucato | Stskeeps: ah so until that "easy solution", the process is basically the same as in pre-PR 1.2? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGoExperts: it will be: install a package from extras-devel, that enables the u-boot | 11:50 |
| Jucato | er pre-PR 1.3 | 11:50 |
| chem|st | MeeGoExperts: uboot is the easier end-user solution I guess | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGoExperts: then we'll be providing dualboot suitable 1.1 images and when they're popped in, it boots from sd | 11:51 |
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| MeeGoExperts | Still downloading yet. | 11:53 |
| MeeGoExperts | So this will only boot via the SD card and not permanently flash the phone ? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we stick with non-destructive installs if you follow our instructions | 11:54 |
| Jucato | so http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot ? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | /MMC, /Dual_Boot is outdated | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | and just marked a such | 11:55 |
| Jucato | oohkay :) | 11:55 |
| dolp | i'll probably wait for some kind of solution for that remove-sdcard-whenever-booting-to-maemo thing | 11:56 |
| Jucato | ideal would be not having to remove/re-insert the sd card every time. but beggars can't be choosers so I'll just wait :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: there'll be possibility to customize it | 11:57 |
| MeeGoExperts | Thanks guys. I PRESUMED it would be a "destructive install" …. | 11:57 |
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| Jucato | MeeGoExperts: heh I presumed it would be magic brought about by PR 1.3 :D | 11:57 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: cool. how about the possibility of simply using a partition of an SD card instead of overwriting the whole card? | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Jucato: if you know how to rsync stuff yourself.. | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: if you want to customize it, you get the pain to do it yoursf :P | 11:58 |
| Jucato | haha | 11:59 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: what is the latest build you recommend then? the weekly build? | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1 | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:59 |
| Jucato | so which is the link to the not-outdated (but obviously not yet updated for MeeGo 1.1) instructions? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | not 1.1.80 | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: /MMC is accurate | 12:00 |
| chem|st | oh didn't see that | 12:00 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: ah ok. I misinterpreted that as /MMC and /Dual_Boot are both outdated :) | 12:00 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: was looking at builds not releases... so what is the problem with "warm" booting the kernel then? | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: the problem is that mmc and display driver doesn't like re-entry | 12:01 |
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| chem|st | ok so essentials ;) | 12:01 |
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| Jucato | Stskeeps: for http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC no need for u-boot yet right? then I download the *.raw.bz2 to dd to the SD card, then the *.vmlinuz to use with the flasher? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: no need for uboot ,yeah | 12:14 |
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| Jucato | tahanks :) | 12:18 |
| Jucato | oops one 'a' too many | 12:18 |
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| Jucato | does the SD card need to be formatted to ext3 before dd? | 12:41 |
| lcuk | Jucato, no, you are overwriting everything with dd, the image you copy has its own filesystem | 12:41 |
| Jucato | cool. thanks :) | 12:41 |
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| Jucato | now just waiting for the download to finish ... | 12:41 |
| Jucato | 47 minutes ... | 12:42 |
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| chem|st | has anyone the raw content as tar so I may just rsync it to the device (I hate repartitioning) | 12:50 |
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| sjjg | can someone point me to the 1.1 release? | 12:52 |
| chem|st | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 12:52 |
| chem|st | sjjg: ^^ | 12:53 |
| Termana | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ for netbook | 12:53 |
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| sjjg | thanks guys :) | 12:54 |
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| boud | when updating my meego sdk, should I use zypper or yum? | 13:01 |
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| jeremiah | boud: I suppose it is a matter of preference - but I like zypper. | 13:11 |
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| Kiranos | why no updates on meego.com about the newly released 1.1 as linked above (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ etc..) | 13:29 |
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| Stskeeps | Kiranos: probably coming today | 13:29 |
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| Kiranos | ok thanks! | 13:30 |
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| boud | jeremiah: thanks, I'll use zypper then, since that's the one I'm familiar with myself | 13:34 |
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| ilembitov | is there any description of new features in Meego 1.1? | 13:56 |
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| niala | hhello #meego bon appétit | 14:22 |
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| chukcha | Hi, seems like meego emulator is pretty slow, is there any way to speed it up? | 14:24 |
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| sx0n | with demulation | 14:26 |
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| chukcha | sx0n, what is this? | 14:26 |
| Jucato | yay! booted 1.1 on the N900. no worries about making calls. the indicator says I don't even have a signal :) | 14:26 |
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| Sage | well, that indicates that you can call basically. The indicator isn't working properly with n900 modem yet. | 14:27 |
| Jucato | oooh | 14:27 |
| Jucato | how about SMS? | 14:27 |
| Sage | if you see airplain you do not have network connectivity | 14:27 |
| Sage | well, you should be able to sent those as well. | 14:27 |
| sx0n | chukcha, i think emulation emulates certain hw speed but i am probably wrong with this. :) | 14:28 |
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| chukcha | may be ) But 2 fps almost all the time is too slow ( But looks like usual Qt applications runs at full speed, but MeegoTouch applications are very-very slow. I wonder why is this.. | 14:30 |
| lcuk | chukcha, which normal qt apps are you running in the meego emulator? | 14:30 |
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| Jucato | cool. sent an SMS and even got a reply. but I can't read it (opens a blank "page" if I tap on the received message). but oh well. still cool :) | 14:31 |
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| Myrtti | Jucato: we love you for making those bug reports ;-) | 14:32 |
| Myrtti | (or commenting or voting old ones) | 14:32 |
| Jucato | yeah I would presume it's alread known :) | 14:32 |
| chukcha | lcuk, well, I just created new Qt 4.7 project in QtCreator and launch it | 14:33 |
| chukcha | so I mean "normal qt" application - is app not using MeegoTouch UI framework | 14:33 |
| rittk | who wanted the lspci/lsusb output from the strange lenovo s10-3t-s ? I have yet another one | 14:34 |
| rittk | http://pastebin.com/5Vfkk5Ls | 14:34 |
| Jucato | er .. how do you get to that dialog/notification area where you can configure 3G,WiFi, etc? | 14:36 |
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| niala | chukcha: hello, for use libmeegotouch you lust add " CONFIG += meegotouch " in your .pro file | 14:37 |
| niala | s/lust/must | 14:37 |
| niala | woops | 14:37 |
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| rittk | and once again, who manages the carrick* code? | 14:39 |
| rittk | anyone? ) | 14:39 |
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| chukcha | niala, thanks, well, I know how to use MeegoTouch ) I just see strange issue - MeegoTouch applications are very slow (2 fps), but "usual" Qt applications are quite fast. Why is the speed is so different? | 14:39 |
| Myrtti | "use Qt then" :-> | 14:40 |
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| leinir | A wild guess - emulator's opengl is dodgy? :) | 14:41 |
| timakima | different graphics engine by default perhaps? | 14:41 |
| leinir | and Qt doesn't require it, just supports it :) | 14:41 |
| niala | chukcha: sorry I don't know, I don't see that for me. is you OS update? | 14:41 |
| chukcha | leinir, probably | 14:42 |
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| chukcha | niala, hmm... this might be because I am running linux in virtual machine... | 14:44 |
| Jucato | yay I haz networking! (now if only my Inet connection would actually behave :() | 14:46 |
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| Jucato | damn those are cute kittens :) | 14:52 |
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| rittk | hangs at the end?) | 14:53 |
| Jucato | the video? | 14:53 |
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| rittk | whydamn? | 14:54 |
| Jucato | because they're cute :) | 14:54 |
| rittk | lol | 14:54 |
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| Jucato | calls do work! I'm impressed! :) | 14:56 |
| Chani | mrr? | 14:59 |
| Jucato | "mrr"? | 14:59 |
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| Chani | calls? | 15:00 |
| Jucato | phone calls | 15:00 |
| Jucato | I called myself (on another cellphone) | 15:00 |
| Jucato | I heard myself :) | 15:00 |
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| Chani | haha :) | 15:00 |
| sx0n | that's... thats really... yeah :) | 15:00 |
| * Chani fails to see how this was impressive, though :) unless one of those phones was running some cool software. | 15:01 | |
| Jucato | Chani: it's impressive that it actually works :) | 15:01 |
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| Chani | that *what* works? | 15:02 |
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| Myrtti | yeah, developing phone software is so easy and trivial | 15:02 |
| Jucato | making/receiving calls and SMS in MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX running on N900 | 15:02 |
| Jucato | detailed enough? :) | 15:02 |
| * Jucato goes copy the kittens video in the meantime >.> | 15:03 | |
| Chani | ahh :) | 15:03 |
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| Jucato | This was a triumph. I'm making a note here "Huge success!" | 15:05 |
| Jucato | It's hard to overstate my satisfaction | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | now imagine how 1.2 can be like :) | 15:06 |
| Jucato | don't wanna imagine. I might pee :P | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:06 |
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| sx0n | which tab/space scheme is used in meego generally? | 15:10 |
| * sx0n *hides* | 15:11 | |
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| sx0n | http://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html | 15:14 |
| leinir | sx0n: That kind of depends on what you mean by "in meego" ;) | 15:17 |
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| Surfa | Stskeeps, could we expect someone to update this wiki page? :) http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's marked as outdated :) | 15:19 |
| sx0n | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/meego-v1-1-for-handsets-is-out-let-the-n900-dual-booting-begin/ | 15:19 |
| Surfa | Stskeeps, that's typically scenario when update is needed :) | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | Surfa: we're working on a good dual boot solution | 15:20 |
| Surfa | ok, good.. | 15:20 |
| Surfa | hope it'll be availabe "soon enough" :) | 15:20 |
| leinir | Surfa: It'll be ready much sooner if people don't have to keep telling others that it's being worked on ;) | 15:20 |
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| sx0n | n900 is leading technology product :) having 4.7 and meego | 15:21 |
| Surfa | leinir, oh really? :P haven't seen that too many times here at least | 15:21 |
| leinir | Maybe not in here, no :) | 15:21 |
| Surfa | too many channels | 15:21 |
| Surfa | not irc channels but communication channels | 15:21 |
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| leinir | Surfa: Oh for sure :) | 15:26 |
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| smoku | http://pastebin.com/6J9he5YC - any idea why connman does not detect wifi in available technologies? | 15:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Any women looking to share a hotel room at the MeeGo Conference in Dublin? | 15:40 |
| nocturnal | question: do you have to be a woman? | 15:40 |
| nocturnal | ;D | 15:40 |
| matrixx | :D | 15:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | nocturnal, short of quick surgery I am going to be a woman at the Conference. | 15:40 |
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| Myrtti | nocturnal, matrixx: http://xkcd.com/322 | 15:41 |
| Lynoure | Alison_Chaiken: possibly | 15:41 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Lynoure, I booked a single room in the Conference hotel but can prolly change the res. | 15:41 |
| Lynoure | Alison_Chaiken: if I can get approval to go, and find cheap enough flights. I'll probably know tomorrow. | 15:41 |
| matrixx | Myrtti: a classic one :) | 15:41 |
| nocturnal | Myrtti: =D | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | yes, I know, I use it as a kick message sometimes. | 15:42 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Lynoure, my email is alchaiken@gmail.com. Let me know. | 15:42 |
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| Lynoure | Alison_Chaiken: ok, I will. | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | o_O Termana :) | 15:52 |
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| LoCusF_ | so now I have flashed my N900 to PR1.3 and dd'd the MeeGo 1.1 raw image to microSD, what was the package to install from extras-devel to enable dualbooting MeeGo 1.1? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | dual booting *prototype* instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch | 15:56 |
| chem|st | is the way to reboot or shutdown to remove the battery? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | hold down power button | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | chem|st: power button? | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | no usb cable in | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | it takes a little longer than on maemo but it does happen | 15:57 |
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| chem|st | X-Fade: doesnt doe anything... | 15:58 |
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| X-Fade | wait longer. | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, hold it, it takes a lot longer | 15:59 |
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| CosmoHill | when did 1.1 come out? | 15:59 |
| nocturnal | 26th october | 15:59 |
| CosmoHill | (I mean what time of day UTC) | 15:59 |
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| chem|st | X-Fade: ok about 10-15 seconds... | 15:59 |
| chem|st | that is very long... | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 16:01 |
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| CosmoHill | kudos to the people who runs the servers, they seem a lot faster than last week | 16:06 |
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| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.1/ :) | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | didn't old MeeGo releases use flashable rootfs images? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | my tutorial does work still, but you might need an older ubifs | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | / mtd-utils | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't fit anyway. | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, but you did use ubifs images for the N900+MeeGo right? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | we used to | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | but no more | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | even if it was a very stripped down build | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | nice, some TI loving for MeeGo :) http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2010/10/27/ti-views-tablets-meego-windows-phone-7-as-big-opportunity/ | 17:27 |
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| McPels | Can I install meego on my nokia 5530? | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | no | 18:07 |
| McPels | X-Fade: What about android? | 18:08 |
| Lynoure | McPels: isn't that a question better suited for another channel? | 18:09 |
| ColKilkenny | answer is still no | 18:09 |
| ColKilkenny | (everything is of course possible) | 18:10 |
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| Tumi_ | sounds like a no-go | 18:33 |
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| CosmoHill | hey Tumi_ | 18:33 |
| Tumi_ | CosmoHill: hi! | 18:33 |
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| npm | questions about meego sdk and qemu: just to make sure i had qemu setup right, i decided to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo and now have windows xp media center running under Qemu. Unlike the qemugl setup, this seems to automatically setup the network, and allow me to use a tablet directly w/o the nasty mouse grab business. is there a way to get those features in qemugl? | 18:59 |
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| npm | i'm launching this qemu with "qemu -localtime -smb /media/disk -usb -usbdevice tablet -m 384 windows.img" ... and it "just works" | 19:00 |
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| Milhouse | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1825918/meego-n900-smartphone | 19:02 |
| Alison_Chaiken | npm, by following the instructions on the meego website, I could ssh and scp into my MeeGo netbook guest but the included Chromium browser crashes and I haven't had a change to figure out why. Did you install libvirt too? See my notes at http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/PCBSD/PCBSD8_under_qemu-kvm.html if you're bored. | 19:03 |
| qgil | MeeGo 1.1 released http://meego.com/ | 19:03 |
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| npm | Alison_Chaiken: that's because it's on its own totally local cut off network | 19:03 |
| qgil | where is the IRC cava? | 19:03 |
| npm | it needs to be routed to the actual network and there's some pointers in your document suggesting that | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | released now? we noticed the images hours ago ;) | 19:04 |
| npm | however those instructions are complicated | 19:04 |
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| qgil | a release is not only about software ;) | 19:04 |
| npm | and doing qemu for windows didn't require all the complications to get networjking going | 19:04 |
| DawnFoster | http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-1.1-release | 19:04 |
| DawnFoster | the 1.1 release is officially live now | 19:04 |
| niala | yes let's try | 19:05 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: hey | 19:06 |
| npm | Alison_Chaiken: by complicated, i mean http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2062234#post2062234 and http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | I've got the ivi and netbook release copied onto my server for others to download | 19:06 |
| npm | and w/ winxp running all ifconfig says i have running is "virbr0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr AA:24:A8:C0:C2:A3 " and yet i have full network connectivity out of the windows qemu (ie. i can browse the net, run windows update etc) | 19:07 |
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| dm8tbr | huh? my experience with qemu and networking was pretty straight forward under linux (haven't tried meego though specifically) | 19:09 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Cool npm, I was planning to get started on making the bridge work better as my next step. Which MeeGo image are you using? | 19:09 |
| npm | i was using meego-handset-ia32-1.0.80.9.20100706.1-sdk-pre0901.raw meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.12.20100727.1-sdk-pre0901.raw i guess i should update to the release | 19:10 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Yeah npm, I can see the same message under ifconfig on both the guest and the host. I suspect I have to change firewall rules on the host to get the bridge going. | 19:10 |
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| npm | there are also some silent packages that need to be installed or. for example i didn't need dhcp so i removed it. but things don't work well unless it's installed in qemu | 19:11 |
| qgil | (relatively) surprised to see major tech blogs telling everybody to dual-boot their N900s with MeeGo 1.1 - maybe they should try themselves first | 19:12 |
| qgil | At least Nokia puts the focus on developers ;) http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/28/for-developers-eyes-only-meego-version-1-1/ | 19:13 |
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| townxelliot | npm: are we talking about handset images here? I'm pretty sure some of them don't have networking turned on by default so it has to be manually configured; at least that's what I had to do last week | 19:14 |
| townxelliot | npm: the easiest way to use handset images under QEMU is through MADDE, where a lot of the hard work is done for you: see http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux and http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_targets | 19:15 |
| townxelliot | npm (these are docs in progress, by the way) | 19:16 |
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| npm | yep see http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-October/002345.html for how far i got | 19:17 |
| npm | i was trying to get the networking part going, when i decided to see how qemu+winxp worked "for comparison" and "sanity check" | 19:18 |
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| npm | from reading http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/PCBSD/PCBSD8_under_qemu-kvm.html it appeared i was stuck on the part connecting the kvm network to the actual network card | 19:21 |
| nocturnal | wee got meego 1.1 installed on my n900 =D | 19:22 |
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| nocturnal | first time i've reinstalled a phone | 19:22 |
| nocturnal | ok sorry to say it but first impression is "wow this thing looks like shit" | 19:24 |
| nocturnal | of course it's not finished | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, one problem is the scaling bug that exists | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | the new icons look ugly | 19:24 |
| nocturnal | oooh | 19:24 |
| nocturnal | that explains it | 19:25 |
| nocturnal | thanks | 19:25 |
| nocturnal | because the icons are all grainy | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | there's an open bug on the issue | 19:25 |
| nocturnal | well i'm just playing around anyways, the n900 was never that good of a phone/mp3 player for daily use imo. much happier with a smaller devices such as the htc and with the sense ui. | 19:26 |
| nocturnal | it's an awesome mobile computer though | 19:26 |
| nocturnal | with gsm | 19:26 |
| nocturnal | so i still carry it in my back pack just to have a linux terminal wherever i go, full freedom. | 19:26 |
| npm | townxelliot: what about http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux for building netbook images? that's the one i had trouble getting networking and browser working | 19:27 |
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| townxelliot | npm: to run netbook under QEMU? | 19:28 |
| npm | yes | 19:29 |
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| npm | but i should try again with today's released bits... part of the reason for my windows digression is i figured i'd let the bits settle during release,and fix other problems that were holding me up | 19:30 |
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| townxelliot | npm I think you'll have to build your own QEMU-enabled (GL accelerated) image for netbook at the moment - as per http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools - I don't _think_ there are any netbook images with GL acceleration built in yet (I haven't heard about them, anyway) | 19:32 |
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| qgil | nocturnal: 1.1 Handset doesn't try to look nice to end users - it actually tries to look uninteresting to them | 19:33 |
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| npm | hopefully today's update to qemugl will fix http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 19:34 |
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| npm | oops mispaste http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html | 19:34 |
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| loufoque_ | any screenshots of meego 1.1 handset anywhere? | 19:37 |
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| Sazius | I have Meego 1.0 installed on my netbook, what is the best way to upgrade to 1.1 ? zypper refresh & patch doesn't work... do I need to change the repos? | 19:37 |
| auke | reinstall | 19:38 |
| auke | it's possible to update manually with zypper but it's rather hard | 19:38 |
| auke | you have to zypper install --force --from (newrepo) $each_package | 19:38 |
| auke | and, that will break ... | 19:38 |
| auke | reinstall is the quickest, safest, and easiest | 19:39 |
| npm | will the reinstall preserve other programs installed (/usr/local) or does it require a clean wipe? | 19:39 |
| Sazius | oh, really? maybe I'm just spoiled with Debian... :) | 19:39 |
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| npm | no fedora style "preupdate" available? | 19:40 |
| auke | npm: depends on what you tell the installer to do | 19:40 |
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| npm | hopefully it has an option to overlay the existing os w/o overwriting? | 19:40 |
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| auke | yes, you can set it to "not format" a partition | 19:41 |
| auke | use at your own risk | 19:41 |
| npm | excellent. | 19:41 |
| npm | oh | 19:41 |
| npm | so you recommend a clean wipe? | 19:41 |
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| auke | I'm not recommending anything, just stating what the options and consequences are for each :) | 19:44 |
| auke | I personally run trunk on most my dev systems and never reinstall | 19:44 |
| Sazius | ok, thanks for the info :) I guess I'll just backup and reinstall then | 19:45 |
| * niala reboot test 1.1 | 19:47 | |
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| Stskeeps | hrm | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | anyone got a recent meego install on IA? | 19:49 |
| auke | trunk? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | what does 'zypper verify' say for you? | 19:50 |
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| npm | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html --> still a problem with latest qemu-gl.x86_64 0:0.12.4+git1+ee46cb4-6.2 | 19:51 |
| auke | Problem: product:MeeGo release-.meego is not installable | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, we see same on ARM | 19:51 |
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| auke | bug bug bug | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | i think we reported one.. let me check | 19:51 |
| nocturnal | suddenly maemo is starting, so i'm assuming there are some extra steps to make meego start by default | 19:52 |
| npm | qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64 was the last version that worked for me w/o black screen issue | 19:52 |
| nocturnal | i'll read more on the wiki later | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, BMC# 9099 | 19:52 |
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| zhasha | does meego use telepathy? | 20:01 |
| zhasha | the handset ux that is | 20:02 |
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| VLJ | hi | 20:03 |
| VLJ | what's new in meego 1.1 for netbook ? ;) | 20:03 |
| VLJ | besides components sync with upstream | 20:03 |
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| CosmoHill | VLJ: everything! | 20:06 |
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| niala | oh same splashscreen on 1.1 sad | 20:08 |
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| zhasha | I'd love to have MeeGo on my N900, but I can't really figure out whether it has the same telephony/messaging features as Maemo. Like skype integration, WLM, jabber, all that | 20:09 |
| zhasha | with contact merging | 20:09 |
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| loufoque_ | zhasha: according to the site, meego handset only has minimal functionality at the moment. You can make calls and send sms though at least | 20:09 |
| VLJ | CosmoHill: but the screenshots does look very much like 1.0 version | 20:09 |
| * CosmoHill hasn't seen either :( | 20:10 | |
| zhasha | loufoque_: well that's disappointing :/ will it be using telepathy? | 20:10 |
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| loufoque_ | telepathy is part of the core of meego, so I guess it does | 20:10 |
| loufoque_ | I don't have it installed yet myself | 20:11 |
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| Myrtti | zhasha: have you read this yet: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/28/for-developers-eyes-only-meego-version-1-1/ | 20:14 |
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| VLJ | there is no qt 4.7.1 ? | 20:17 |
| * VLJ is looking after Thiago | 20:18 | |
| zhasha | Myrtti: I will now | 20:18 |
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| qgil | VLJ: qt-4.7.0-3.1.src.rpm http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ | 20:23 |
| tor | Tjena, jag försöker få igång meego sdkt på ubuntu 10.10 men misslyckas på qemu. Är jag i rätt kanal? | 20:23 |
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| Myrtti | tor: ja, men kanalen är engelskt | 20:24 |
| tor | Myrtti, sorry thought i typed in meegosweden | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | kek | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | yw :-P | 20:25 |
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| tor | Hi i'm trying to get the meego sdk (netbook version) running on ubuntu 10.10 (32 bit) but all im getting is a grey window when i start meego-qemu-start | 20:26 |
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| tor | anyone with an idea on how to debug this? | 20:28 |
| VLJ | thx | 20:28 |
| VLJ | err | 20:28 |
| VLJ | there is still no silverlight on meego ? | 20:28 |
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| CosmoHill | VLJ: there's not silver light on my mac either | 20:30 |
| ioan | short question, does meego have support for ipv6? | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | ioan: yes | 20:30 |
| ioan | thanks | 20:30 |
| VLJ | CosmoHill: sure ? | 20:30 |
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| bef0rd | CosmoHill, ppc mac no? | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | VLJ: the silverlight or ipv6 thing? | 20:30 |
| CosmoHill | bef0rd: correct | 20:31 |
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| bef0rd | :) | 20:31 |
| bef0rd | wonder if moonlight is available for ppc | 20:31 |
| VLJ | silverlight | 20:32 |
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| CosmoHill | VLJ: only version 1 is supported on powermac mac | 20:32 |
| VLJ | I though windows and mac version of sl were released synchronously | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | powerpc* | 20:32 |
| CosmoHill | probably on intel mac | 20:32 |
| VLJ | ok | 20:32 |
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| townxelliot | tor: are you using SDK netbook images from http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux? | 20:33 |
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| VLJ | is there a new release of moonlight that run on top of mono 2.8 ? | 20:33 |
| VLJ | it has a better garbage collector | 20:33 |
| tor | townxelliot, yes i follow the instructions on the wiki so i suppose so? | 20:33 |
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| townxelliot | tor: did you do the graphics checks? | 20:34 |
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| tor | townxelliot, yes (Will double check) | 20:34 |
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| tor | townxelliot, i however does not get "Mesa DRI" when checking glxinfo i get "Quadro FX 2700M...." | 20:36 |
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| tor | should that not work? | 20:37 |
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| townxelliot | tor: what do you get if you run: glxinfo | grep "renderer string" ? | 20:45 |
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| tor | townxelliot, i get "Quadro FX 2700M...." | 20:50 |
| npm | tor, townxelliot: sounds like the same problem i'm seeing here: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2010-October/000379.html | 20:50 |
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| npm | tor: are you also seeing "IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0" | 20:52 |
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| tor | npm, I'm reading up wait a while | 20:52 |
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| npm | the only time i was able to get it running correcty, it was not outputting those messages, and "qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64" updating to "qemu-gl.x86_64 0:0.12.4+git1+ee46cb4-6.1" caused a regression | 20:53 |
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| VladNistor | if I were to use this guide (http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900), but instead of dd the files to an sd card I were to use a partition I made on the internal 32gb memory, would it still work? | 20:54 |
| npm | if anybody has an old copy of qemu-gl-0.12.4-4.1.x86_64 RPM. i could confirm that upgrading the package caused regression | 20:54 |
| npm | unfortunately yum downgrade doesn't work | 20:54 |
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| npm | townxelliot: are imagesd from http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux the latest and greatest 1.1's?? | 20:57 |
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| tor | npm, i see no "IRQ's not enabled.." when launching the image. And i have no flicker in the window either. | 20:59 |
| npm | there's no flicker unless you move the mouse around inside the window, esp near the top of window | 21:00 |
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| npm | then you can see the screen flashing briefly as it refreshes | 21:00 |
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| npm | or start an xterm and setup the gnome cursor to flash quickly.; then you can see the screen flash every time the cursor refreshes | 21:01 |
| npm | but otherwise the screen stays black | 21:01 |
| npm | you can also get it to crash by focussing the qemu window shortly after it starts | 21:01 |
| tor | npm: We let qemu take focus and we see no flicker at all :( We get a "solid" grey/gradient on the window. | 21:01 |
| npm | how about starting it w/o letting it take focus | 21:02 |
| npm | then give it focus | 21:02 |
| tor | npm, sorry that was what we do. We launch the window and then click into it. | 21:02 |
| tor | Regardless, no flicker. | 21:02 |
| npm | yep. and when i do that i see the screen flicker several times and them go black | 21:03 |
| npm | if i focus into it afterwards, i can move the mouse around and cause it to refresh, and that lets me see it briefly | 21:03 |
| townxelliot | npm: no, they're out of date | 21:03 |
| tor | npm, sorry but regardless on how i move the mouse i get no flicker :( | 21:04 |
| npm | townxelliot: what images should we be using? | 21:04 |
| npm | or is it just a matter of letting the dust settle from the release and then we'll have latest images? | 21:04 |
| townxelliot | npm: there are no netbook images built specifically for QEMU at the moment; but you can run handset under QEMU from MADDE | 21:04 |
| npm | and when i run the handset, networking won't be enabled, though, right? | 21:05 |
| townxelliot | npm: and I've had some issues today with latest images running in QEMU - the approach I took last week no longer works | 21:05 |
| townxelliot | npm: no, under MADDE handset networking is enabled - you should try it, it's much nicer than trying to do it yourself :) | 21:06 |
| townxelliot | npm: I'm hopeful that netbook runtimes for MADDE will be available soon | 21:06 |
| npm | ok i will try the madde approach then. thanks for suggestion | 21:06 |
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| qgil | cool! http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, they've been involved in the #meego-arm irc channel for a while now, is active on meego-kernel mailing list, etc | 21:10 |
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| qgil | Stskeeps: maybe it's time to organize http://wiki.meego.com/ARM#Running_MeeGo_on_ARM by OMAP4, OMAP3... ? | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, we need to clean up that page.. hmm | 21:15 |
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| qgil | hopefully more info and perhaps projects will be available after the MeeGo Conference (me hopes) Stskeeps | 21:18 |
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| townxelliot | npm: the handset image is pretty out of date (July), but hopefully there will be an update before too long | 21:24 |
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| npm | cool | 21:25 |
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| npm | turns out you can get qemugl to behave like a normal window (no ctl-alt locking) by adding "-usb -usbdevice tablet" per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo#USB Tablet Emulation | 21:37 |
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| TinyIRC | hey! | 21:38 |
| TinyIRC | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/meego-v1-1-for-handsets-is-out-let-the-n900-dual-booting-begin/ | 21:38 |
| npm | unfortunately, it does some weird things rescaling the tablet position to the wrong location | 21:38 |
| TinyIRC | u guys are big time! | 21:38 |
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| TinyIRC | anyone here can tell me wtf meego is? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | www.meego.com | 21:39 |
| TinyIRC | it's an operating system for everything??? | 21:39 |
| TinyIRC | for my toaster oven? | 21:39 |
| TinyIRC | will it work on my car? | 21:39 |
| npm | corrected link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo#USB Tablet Emulation | 21:39 |
| TinyIRC | maybe even my iPhone 4 | 21:39 |
| npm | doh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo#USB%20Tablet%20Emulation | 21:39 |
| TinyIRC | iPad | 21:40 |
| TinyIRC | meego with mongoDB running on my wristwatch ? | 21:40 |
| TinyIRC | apache+mysql+memcached+postfix all on my mobile device? | 21:40 |
| TinyIRC | Stskeeps, feed me | 21:41 |
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| TinyIRC | hey | 21:41 |
| TinyIRC | wtf | 21:41 |
| TinyIRC | somebody tell me what meego is already | 21:41 |
| TinyIRC | the suspense is killing me | 21:41 |
| TinyIRC | !whatismeego | 21:42 |
| mihero | it is the future:) | 21:42 |
| TinyIRC | huh | 21:42 |
| TinyIRC | ? | 21:42 |
| TinyIRC | i can download the future? | 21:42 |
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| TinyIRC | maybe inject the future with a virus and email it around? | 21:43 |
| TinyIRC | is there a facebook page for the future? | 21:43 |
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| apol | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot << is this a joke? that page is half way done | 21:43 |
| TinyIRC | lol | 21:43 |
| TinyIRC | it's a joke | 21:43 |
| TinyIRC | apol, joke's on u | 21:43 |
| apol | can somebody tell me what do I have to put on my card? | 21:43 |
| TinyIRC | apol, RTFM | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | ! | 21:44 |
| apol | the FM ends with some "..." | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | ahh! | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | thanks for the heads up | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | I will remember that next time you ask a moronic question | 21:44 |
| apol | neat | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | lol | 21:44 |
| TinyIRC | apol, u know i'm joking, you're my dog! | 21:44 |
| apol | can you point me out to the FM? | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | yessir | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | just hold your horses | 21:45 |
| apol | thanks | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 21:45 |
| apol | er... | 21:45 |
| lcuk | dual boot does not require triple links :P | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | no? | 21:45 |
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| TinyIRC | how about 4? | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot | 21:45 |
| TinyIRC | apol, notice the FM link | 21:46 |
| lcuk | so you want extra booting? | 21:46 |
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| TinyIRC | Yup | 21:46 |
| TinyIRC | XL booting | 21:46 |
| apol | lcuk: yes, I wanted to try meego | 21:46 |
| TinyIRC | I love dual booting meego | 21:46 |
| TinyIRC | i dual boot it with windows | 21:46 |
| apol | but I can't find how to flash the sd | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | sometimes with Solaris | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | sometimes i dual boot meego with my asshole | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | oops | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | TinyIRC: please behave, or leave | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | huh | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | ? | 21:47 |
| TinyIRC | it was an accident]\ | 21:47 |
| * TinyIRC is sorry | 21:47 | |
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| lcuk | apol, still the recommended method for testing meego images http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | until the uboot/dualboot instructions are ironed out | 21:48 |
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| * meego_king is available for questions now... | 21:48 | |
| * meego_king is now off duty. send your questions offline and they will be answered tomorrow | 21:48 | |
| meego_king | aight niggas, i'm out! | 21:49 |
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| apol | lcuk: what's the difference? | 21:50 |
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| javispedro | apol: the finished instructions require using the cable&flasher to boot the meego kernel | 21:50 |
| javispedro | (unlike a true multiboot solution) | 21:51 |
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| apol | gah | 21:51 |
| * apol will wait -.- | 21:51 | |
| lcuk | apol, the full dualbooting allows inserting removing the memory card with meego on a regular basis, the original instructions involve just flashing a kernel for a one shot dealio | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | Whereas *real* dual booting would be a bootmenu type affair; adding/removing memory cards is a bit too much like Amiga "insert OS on floppy to continue" | 21:52 |
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| apol | i just wanted to try my apps on meego | 21:53 |
| javispedro | then you can follow the "finished" instructions to the letter, it will allow you to run it | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, only if you have a floppy disk box to flick through | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | the point is, the instructions are still in progress and all feedback and information is being worked on | 21:54 |
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| apol | ok | 21:55 |
| apol | i'm sorry if I came out wrong, but it was weird to see it ending with "..." | 21:55 |
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| VladNistor | i'm currently usint dd to write the raw file to a partition on the emmc, let's see if that works | 21:56 |
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| javispedro | meego ivi has pocketsphinx (aka voice recognition) -- here's to hoping meego handset takes a hint :) | 22:01 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: 'sall good stuff | 22:10 |
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| slaine | evening folks | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 22:15 |
| slaine | congrats to all involved on the 1.1 relase | 22:15 |
| slaine | release | 22:15 |
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| slaine | been off this week, but decided to fire up the laptop to see if it happened | 22:15 |
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| jo-erlend | I've read that it should've become more easy to install MeeGo on N900, after the PR1.3 update. Can someone provide more information on this? | 22:17 |
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| jo-erlend | can I just dd a flashcard and boot it directly, for instance? | 22:17 |
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| Stskeeps | jo-erlend: if you wait a little bit we'll have a proper way. but currnetly you need to use a PC to load kernel, but yes, besides that, it'd dding a flashcard | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's really simple | 22:18 |
| jo-erlend | nice. Thanks. | 22:18 |
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| VladNistor | alright, so I dd an internal partition on the emmc and that doesn't work, i got a kernel panic about not being able to mount | 22:18 |
| VladNistor | i think it doesn't know it should mount mmcblk0p6 :( | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | do you tell it to? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:18 |
| VladNistor | i don't think I can if i just load the kernel | 22:19 |
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| VladNistor | maybe if I flashed the kernel and flaged the partition as boot... | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll need some more things after -b (-b"something" means something is the kernel command line | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | find the kernel command line in /boot/config* | 22:20 |
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| VladNistor | thanks Stskeeps, I didn't know i could add stuff after the -b | 22:21 |
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| VladNistor | i would need to tell it root=mmcblk0p6 | 22:22 |
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| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, do I need to install the kernel after dding the mmc, or what? I didn't quite understand that from the guide. | 22:24 |
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| jo-erlend | oh. I'm sorry. The guide didn't end with Windows. :) | 22:35 |
| cdamian | it might be a silly question, but: is firefox not available for 1.1 ? | 22:36 |
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| VladNistor | jo-erlend, nothing does :)) | 22:38 |
| jo-erlend | hehe | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | auke, bug 8474 is still locked | 22:42 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8474 is not accessible | 22:42 |
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| drbob | Hi there. I registered on the forum but was surprised not to have to enter a password and I haven't received any mail with a password.I cannot login on the forum. Whatsup? | 22:56 |
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| jo-erlend | holy crap. I can't get any lifesigns out of my phone after uploading the kernel. | 22:59 |
| drbob | @slaine Did you write the info on adding broadcom WiFi support? | 22:59 |
| VladNistor | nothing seems to work, i try passing it root=/dev/mmcblk0p6, or even the b307 code fore it but then it just panics again, saying it can't open mmcblk0p6 :( | 23:00 |
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| jo-erlend | any ideas here, please? | 23:00 |
| fengshaun | what handsets does meego support besides N900? | 23:00 |
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| VladNistor | jo-erlend, did you flash or load the kernel? (-l or -k option in flasher) | 23:01 |
| jo-erlend | -l | 23:01 |
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| VladNistor | i meant l or f | 23:01 |
| VladNistor | well if you turn it off and on you should be back to maemo | 23:02 |
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| VladNistor | just remove the battery | 23:02 |
| jo-erlend | -l -k | 23:02 |
| VladNistor | yeah, k is for kernel, l is for load, f is for flash :) | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: emmc will be mmcblk1 if you have a microsd in | 23:02 |
| drbob | Anyone able to help with the forum registration issue? | 23:02 |
| jo-erlend | VladNistor, oh.. I have light on the display :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | jo-erlend: you need a '-b' | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | as well | 23:03 |
| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, yes, I added that to the end of it. | 23:03 |
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| VladNistor | i don't have a micorsd, i repartitiond the internal memory, and am trying to use that :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | what are you booting, the vmlinuz, right? | 23:03 |
| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, right. | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | flasher -l -k vmlinuz -b is what i do personally | 23:04 |
| jo-erlend | I didn't wait very long though, but it was completely lifeless and pressing the powerbutton did nothing. | 23:04 |
| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, right, that's what I did. | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | device fully off, usb cable out , start flasher, put usb cable in? | 23:04 |
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| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, right, and the device was found and everything. | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 23:05 |
| drbob | KNOCK KNOCK :D | 23:05 |
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| jo-erlend | I didn't wait very long though. Does it take a little while before anything happens? | 23:06 |
| VladNistor | should be instant after it finishes flashing | 23:06 |
| VladNistor | or loading | 23:06 |
| jo-erlend | it gives me that haptic feedback. But nothing more. | 23:06 |
| VladNistor | mine panics in 0.87 seconds :)) | 23:06 |
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| drbob | Oooh.. haptic feedback... kewl.. BTW Am I invisible? *waves* | 23:07 |
| jo-erlend | VladNistor, how do you know that? | 23:07 |
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| VladNistor | it shows the kernel loading, and then it tells me stuff :)) | 23:08 |
| VladNistor | but then has a panic attack | 23:08 |
| jo-erlend | Stskeeps, can you provide some info on exactly which device you're using and software? I use the newest I could find. | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | flasher-3.5 | 23:09 |
| drbob | Let me ask again... | 23:09 |
| drbob | Hi there. I registered on the forum but was surprised not to have to enter a password and I haven't received any mail with a password.I cannot login on the forum. Whatsup? | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | drbob: i thought the forum uses meego.com logins | 23:09 |
| drbob | What are those? | 23:10 |
| auke | lcuk: I know (sigh) | 23:10 |
| drbob | I just registered in the forum | 23:10 |
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| acemo | if i only have a 64-bit linux available, is it possible to get flasher-3.5 to work for me? | 23:10 |
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| jo-erlend | on my end, it sais it's found a Device: RX-51, hardware revision 2101. NOLO version 1.4.14. Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 | 23:10 |
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| VladNistor | acemo, yes, just follow the install guide | 23:11 |
| jo-erlend | Stskeeps ^ | 23:11 |
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| VladNistor | jo-erland, and then it should say it Sending kernel image (1563 kB)... | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | jo-erlend: sounds good.. and does it send kernel? | 23:12 |
| jo-erlend | yes. | 23:12 |
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| jo-erlend | and then the phone "shakes" and then nothing more. | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 23:12 |
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| jo-erlend | this is the ones I used: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.3.20101026.1/handset/images/ | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 23:12 |
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| Stskeeps | well those are currently sour :) | 23:12 |
| jo-erlend | oh, so I need an older one? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | no, younger | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1.80 is 1.2 alpha | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | so you need to grab the 1.1 release image instead | 23:13 |
| jo-erlend | where do I find that? | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you go to meego.com you can hardly missi t.. | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:14 |
| jo-erlend | hehe, sorry. :) | 23:14 |
| acemo | VladNistor: its bitching about libusb-0.1.so.4 | 23:14 |
| drbob | I also tried the "Have you forgotten your password?" spiel but again no e-mail :( | 23:15 |
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| VladNistor | acemo, i remember forcing it to install on my ubuntu 64 a while back | 23:16 |
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| * VladNistor thinks he might wait for an official guide as he can't seem to convince the meego kernel meego is at mmcblk0p6 and b307 | 23:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | does it show up in the error message? | 23:19 |
| drbob | OK third time's a charm... Hi there. I registered on the forum but was surprised not to have to enter a password and I haven't received any mail with a password. I cannot login on the forum. Whatsup? | 23:20 |
| VladNistor | if i tell it b307 it knows where that is but it can't mount it | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | drbob: we heard you first time - did you get a login on meego.com first? | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: what image are you using? | 23:20 |
| drbob | What do you mean with that? | 23:20 |
| VladNistor | the one on the homepage | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | drbob: www.meego.com | 23:20 |
| drbob | Yes...? | 23:20 |
| acemo | VladNistor: nvm, the flasher works, didn't have a correct lib32-libusb installed. | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | you use same login for the forum.meego.com and you get one by making it on meego.com | 23:21 |
| * acemo slaps self | 23:21 | |
| drbob | I only made it in the forum | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, i don't know if there's a signup that works there :P | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | but i might be wrong | 23:21 |
| drbob | I don't get any mails | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | check your spam folder and otherwise, file a bug on bugs.meego.com that you're not getting your account creation email | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | specifying which | 23:22 |
| drbob | Also tried the "forgottten password" option | 23:22 |
| drbob | Not in spam folder. | 23:22 |
| VladNistor | but if anyone has a WIP guide on dual-booting -not from an sd card but internal memory- I would love to help with testing | 23:22 |
| Myrtti | drbob: you aren't using openid? | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: we have a hardcore one, since you know what b307 is.. | 23:22 |
| drbob | No opnid | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: er, actually, nm, uboot doesnt access the emmc atm | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: how did you fill in stuff into the partition and from where? | 23:23 |
| drbob | Anyone here who kan access the inner workings of the meego site? | 23:23 |
| VladNistor | Stskeeps, i used the rescue initrd to partition and then send the stuff there | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | VladNistor: 'the stuff' being? | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | the full image? | 23:24 |
| VladNistor | the .raw file, yes | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | right, so let me illustrate to you what is happening.. | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | you have your partition table on your emmc and now you just entered a partition with another partition table inside.. the image is a sd card :) | 23:25 |
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| Stskeeps | you need to manually mount it and rsync it to your new partition or somehow copy p1 from the image | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o offset=16384 or 512, i forget, should be useful | 23:26 |
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| VladNistor | Stskeeps: thanks, I will investigate this further | 23:27 |
| VladNistor | uboot should access the emmc though. Isn't the emmc faster than the sdcard? | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | we need to get uboot working with the emmc, currently it doesn't | 23:28 |
| VladNistor | i hope it will one day, i'm not really that interested in spending money on an sdcard | 23:28 |
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| drbob | OK I give up. Strangest registration (without having to give a password) I've ever seen. | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i've killed at least two.. | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | (sdcards) | 23:29 |
| VladNistor-mob | yes :) | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | auke, do you know whats actually blocking it since you obviously thought you had unblocked it already | 23:31 |
| VladNistor-mob | well if i can help with anything to get it working on emmc i would love to | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you hack, be my guest :P | 23:32 |
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| Stskeeps | it's back to blocked again? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:32 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if it was opened it was such only for a few minutes, i guess you got the copy and paste for it, or added to the security list? | 23:33 |
| VladNistor-mob | well i don't really, i've just been using linux for a while and learned a thig or two along the way | 23:33 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i've read what i had and noted to myself it's Someone Else's Problem | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | and we'll wait for the solution.. | 23:34 |
| lcuk | it may be someone elses problem but having the bug open would allow us to follow it and potentially offer help | 23:34 |
| lcuk | it might not be me or you, but as we know from community, people with the strangest skills emerge | 23:35 |
| acemo | is it normal for meego 1.1 to take about 3-4 seconds for each application to start, to ocasionally blank the screen for around 10 seconds on a n900? | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | acemo: yes, we aren't doing any industry tricks like preloading and other stuff yet | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | the blanking screen thing can be a gfx driver related issue | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | oooh industry tricks | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | i thought they were just commonly known as optimisations :P | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | the general slowness of interface is gfx driver issue, if you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded , it's capable of being much better | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:36 |
| lcuk | how would someone actually use that graphics driver then? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | if it exists? | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | it obviously exists and generally people ask me after they sign over their soul to me, their firstborn and that they accept minimizing apps will kill their xorg once in a while.. | 23:37 |
| VladNistor-mob | yeah, there is a whole list of bugs for meego in the N900 regarding the apps | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | ask me=get it | 23:38 |
| lcuk | no soul signing Stskeeps | 23:38 |
| lcuk | just simple driver update | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | aw | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:38 |
| lcuk | i have no personal need for drivers, i know how tearfree on n900 looks | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | i need to spend some more time debugging the issue, i have an assertion in place we need to beat, so :) | 23:39 |
| lcuk | but that video shows it working? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | it just crashes fairly often | 23:40 |
| lcuk | so, its similar to the 810 driver in that regard | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | this one is fixable | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:40 |
| lcuk | only if the right people get it in their hands and offer patches or info ;) | 23:41 |
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| Stskeeps | if you'd like to gdb over xorg and figure out the cause, be my guest | 23:41 |
| jo-erlend | hey! It's running. :) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | i would rather tear out my fingernails in a door than do that, but other sadists might | 23:42 |
| lcuk | where are the drivers held? | 23:42 |
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| Stskeeps | they're under my obs project | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | fbdev-sgx is the culprit though | 23:42 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: ping | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | hm Stskeeps - so the packages on the far end of your OBS can be installed directly on 1.1? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 23:46 |
| DawnFoster | hey thiago - you in Portland today? | 23:47 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: yep | 23:52 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: I'll be in the office in one hour | 23:52 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: and then again tomorrow | 23:52 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: cool - the office in Aloha? I'm sitting in Amy Leeland's cube. (I won't be in the office tomorrow) | 23:52 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: yes | 23:53 |
| thiago | DawnFoster: if you're in Amy's place, where's Amy? | 23:53 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: I'm in the main bullpen where Imad, Arjan, Mark Skarpness & Hillarie sit. | 23:54 |
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| thiago | I heard that you guys are in a temporary office | 23:54 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: yeah, we're in one of the fabs - we have beware of wafer truck warnings in the hallways :) | 23:55 |
| thiago | ok :-) | 23:55 |
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| thiago | DawnFoster: I'll see you in approx. half an hour then | 23:56 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago: will be great to put a face with the email / IRC handles :) | 23:57 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, wafer truck?! is that the ice cream kind? | 23:57 |
| thiago | well, like I said, I've already seen you (OSTS) | 23:57 |
| thiago | but I was in the audience and didn't introduce myself | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | thiago: that was my second week back at Intel - the whole event was a blur of new faces | 23:58 |
| thiago | ah, right | 23:58 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I wish! | 23:58 |
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| gotzl | hey, just tried to get meego 1.1 running over nfs, but i can't figure out which modules fire up the usb net on the n900.... any hints ? | 23:58 |
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